WHAT WOULD JESUS PAY IN TAXES?  8:53 pm July 26, 2011

Obama Inauguration Pastor Reminds Us the Poor Do Not Pay Enough Taxes

by Kirsten Boyd Johnson

Rick Warren Hates Taxes, poor people.Evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren, whom you may remember as the official evangelical homophobe schlub selected to give the invocation at Obama’s inauguration, thought fit to weigh in on the debt ceiling debate. How does Jesus feel about taxes, Rick?

Half of America isn’t paying taxes! Which half, the corporations? General Electric? Exxon Mobil? Citigroup? No, probably he means “the poors,” the full half of America that doesn’t earn enough income to pay federal income taxes, but who do pay myriad other taxes for things like eating, wearing clothes and driving vehicles. Let them be, Rick Warren, they aren’t getting into heaven anyway. Jesus doesn’t love them, or they’d have millions of dollars from book sales, like Rick Warren.

(Warren removed the Tweet from his account already, and the screen capture is also archived here.) [Twitter/Yfrog via Wonkette operative "Joyce"]

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Madfall July 26, 2011 at 4:56 pm

Elementary math might be useful for preaching pastors. I suspect (for example) that the poors pay sales tax at least, even if they are fortunate enough to pay no income taxes by dint of having no fucking money.

Tundra Grifter July 26, 2011 at 5:07 pm

Sales taxes, property taxes (though rent at least), Federal and state gasoline taxes, excise taxes on alcohol and tobacco – it's impossible to live in this country and not pay taxes.

Meanwhile, according to that left-wing rag The Wall Street Journal, the 450 richest Americans paid 18% of their income in Federal income taxes.

The bottom 50% can't pay taxes because they aren't making any money.

Madfall July 26, 2011 at 5:11 pm

That sounded suspiciously like you were resorting to irony.

*narrows eyes*

weejee July 26, 2011 at 5:21 pm

Are we supporting pulling the plug on the mortgage tax exemption? By we I am referring to the Wonkette landed gentry who, like me, get to enjoy that sacred cow. I say we should get rid of it. It is an artifact from the early 1900s when the grocer, plumber, blacksmith et al slept above or behind where they worked and the maths before TurboTax were felt too hard to separate the business from the personal.

savethispatient July 26, 2011 at 6:01 pm

But removing that tax break hurts the middle-class the most, surely? The people who benefit the most from it are probably first-time home owners, no?

Or am I just being a hypocrite, as I do benefit from that tax break currently? Probably…

natoslug July 26, 2011 at 6:56 pm

I am currently starting construction on a new home and still stuck with my ( probably not able to sell for years) old home (yes, I am much like a hermit crab, in need of a new shell every few years because I really fucking hate fixing things or painting), I very much enjoy exemptions. But, I'm not a complete asshole, so I'm willing to give up the exemption. Especially if I get to tar and feather a Koch brother in return.

FlownOver July 27, 2011 at 12:36 am

We just paid off the balance on FlownOver Acres, so in the spirit of shared sacrifice I say –

Intercourse the mortgage tax deduction!

finallyhappy July 26, 2011 at 8:08 pm

In VIrginia, you pay sales tax on food in the supermarket- all food. Poor people need to give up eating- it is a luxury item

Tundra Grifter July 26, 2011 at 8:24 pm

FH: In California we pay tax on hot food to go, or cold food that could or should have been heated, but not on cold food to go that hasn't or shouldn't be heated.

Most food in supermarkets is not taxed. "Bad" food to go is taxed – doughnuts. "Good" food to go – bagels and muffins – isn't.

Unless the business calculates most of its sales are taxable – in which case it can collect and remit sales tax on all to go food sales.

Makes perfect sense – no?

V572 Hair of Destiny July 26, 2011 at 6:35 pm

This goddamn canard has been shot down again and again. Whoever has a W2 job pays 6.2% of his or her salary to Soshecurity, and the employer pays another 6.2%. Likewise w/Medicare, where each pays 1.45% of the salary amount. Everyone agrees that the employer contribution is actually paid by the employee, so the total tax on the first dollar that minimum wage worker makes is 15.3%, only slightly less than the 18.1% the riches supposedly pay, and more than the 15% hedge fund managers pay on their ill-gotten gains.

So Rick Warren: you are a lying hypocritical sack of shit, who either doesn't know what he's talking about, or chooses to willfully lie. Some role model, Padre.

Dashboard_Jesus July 26, 2011 at 10:57 pm

I only make $60K a year and I goddam DO pay income taxes so I don't know where this Xtain asshole preacher gets his info but he better watch the fuckin' lies spewing forth from his orifice or I'll have to smite that fucker big time with some ass-cancer…and OF COURSE the douchebag didn't consider the myriad of other taxes paid by the poors and *middle class* (that's me!) which make up a HUGE amount of total taxes collected in this cuntry (btw I DID get a nice tax cut from BO right after he took office- approx $200 every pay check- which continues to this day unlike the Shrub's pathetic $300 *bonus* he gave one time, asshole) Fuck do I hate these fucktard Xtains with the heat of a thousand suns, and this asshole better stop usin' MY name as he preaches to his sycophantic/ syphilitic *flock*

Fukui_sanYesOta July 27, 2011 at 2:10 am

To say you "only" make 60K puts you in the top 30-something percent of individual wage earners in the US.

That $300 Bush "bonus" was only a bribe against future taxes, was my understanding. His tax cuts were tax cuts, but raped the economy. Nicely done. Between that and the attempted macro-stimulation of the economy via artificially keeping interest rates low, leading directly to a housing bubble, Bush damaged this economy in a way which feels irreparable right now but probably isn't. Might be good enough to get Hopey voted out next year though. Motherfucking Bush was even worse than Reagan in real terms, imho.

Nothingisamiss July 27, 2011 at 7:38 am

Rick Warren you are a lying hypocritical sack of shit…..

I just needed to echo that.

Rick Warren you are a lying hypocritical sack of shit.

See, when I don't get my wonkette fix in (worked hard yesterday) the rage and anger is almost too much.

Lying hypocritical sack of shit.

Native_of_SL_UT July 27, 2011 at 12:41 pm

And might I add that Rick Warren is a lying hypocritical sack of shit in case there is any doubt.

riverside68 July 27, 2011 at 9:15 am


Make $107k pay 6.2% + 6.2%

$1M pay 0.6% + 0.6%

$10M pay 0.06% + 0.06%

(You get the idea)

V572 Hair of Destiny July 27, 2011 at 10:26 am

You are correct! The Medicare deduction does go up as high as your income. The worst part is the coupon clippers don’t have to pay FICA and Medicare on dividend and interest income.

bumfug July 27, 2011 at 1:00 am

Plus, what nobody ever mentions, they have paycheck withholding that, sure they get back, but in the meantime is a zero-interest loan to the government.

PristineODummy July 27, 2011 at 2:53 am

Excuses, excuses. That's the whole problem with Poorz. There's always a reason they can't pull their share of the load, even if that share is exacerbated by all the Riches sitting on top of it forever, M&M.

Ancient_Hacker July 27, 2011 at 8:29 am

A real douche-nozzle, this guy. He might be including everyone under 18, the retired on Social Security, psych hospital guests, Down's syndrome adults, and prison inmates. That way you CAN get up to 50%.

he conveniently forgets to mention that that in actuality the rich pay less in taxes, as apercentage, than the middle class. Somehow this slips his mind.

ifthethunderdontgetya July 26, 2011 at 4:59 pm

As Jesus said, "Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"

Rosie_Scenario July 27, 2011 at 9:09 am

And as the bumper sticker sayeth: "Lord, save me from your followers."

genxr July 27, 2011 at 10:06 am

HALF of Americans are NOT in prisons or workhouses. This situation MUST be remedied.

SayItWithWookies July 26, 2011 at 4:59 pm

And Saddlecrack Church pays how much in taxes, asshole?

FakaktaSouth July 26, 2011 at 5:31 pm

For real, that was my FIRST thought. A dude from a CHURCH is pissing and moaning about TAXES? Now that you mention it, dick, lets DO talk about who is TAX EXEMPT and what the hell we can do to change that. Jesus. Just a LITTLE self awareness on ANY of these people's part would be such a world-changing thing.

DashboardBuddha July 26, 2011 at 5:34 pm

Unless someone posts something even more amazingly true, I think you have won the week, my friend.

Right -fucking- on.

Beowoof July 26, 2011 at 5:39 pm

Really, I would start to fill the treasury with taxes on these useless assholes.

finallyhappy July 26, 2011 at 8:10 pm

I just saw a huge Covenant Life church in Gaithersburg, Marlyand-I can only imagine what they rake in every week

HelmutNewton July 26, 2011 at 6:05 pm

Exactly! How else do you think Ricky knows what people who pay no taxes think?

emmelemm July 26, 2011 at 6:50 pm

{golf clap}

Dashboard_Jesus July 26, 2011 at 11:02 pm

Amen brother, I say tax these phony fucks til it hurts, in their asshole…I'll bet my house against the douchebag's Xtain mansion (in a gated* community no doubt!) that Warren doesn't pay taves on his book royalties either, I'm sure the asshole has a sleazy tax lawyer that found a loophole for him to slither thru

ManchuCandidate July 26, 2011 at 11:36 pm

Actually, what I'd really like to see is cable companies institute a la carte channel purchasing which would gut a lot of the religoid TV funding for religious networks on the airwaves.

Why? Most religoid channels depend on payments from us folks who never watch their crappy begathons. If cable companies were forced to do a la carte, shit like CBN and the 700 Club would go bankrupt as there isn't enough fundie supporters with the spending power to keep such networks on cable.

emmelemm July 26, 2011 at 11:44 pm

Today, I have learned something. (God bless Wonkette!) I never thought about that angle.

I have the basic-est basic of cable right now, which is basically the "networks", public access and a couple of shopping channels, but I bet if I looked, there'd be a couple religious asshole channels too.


not that Dewey July 26, 2011 at 11:56 pm

In my "market", even the networks show fundie bullshit (Joel Osteen, Prick Warren, et al) on Sunday mornings, then claim that the "views expressed are not necessarily those of the network", a weasely ruse which I also think is total bullshit.

SayItWithWookies July 27, 2011 at 1:29 am

To be fair, that arrangement protects local programming and boutique channels too. Some bundling is good — but it is pretty odious when the religious stations piggyback on more popular networks.

HobbesEvilTwin July 26, 2011 at 11:41 pm

not to mention the bullshit special treatment that pastors get on their income. Fucking fat fucking idiot is fat. and a fucking idiot.

arihaya July 27, 2011 at 12:04 am

is "Saddleback Church" the much anticipated sequel to "Brokeback Mountain"?

horsedreamer_1 July 27, 2011 at 8:11 am

If not, it should be. Tyler Perry, in his first non-Afro-centric film, can direct.

BaldarTFlagass July 27, 2011 at 8:25 am

Just google "saddlebacking." But not at work.

tessiee July 28, 2011 at 11:07 am

*bows deeply*
SO much awesome.

DrunkIrishman July 26, 2011 at 5:00 pm

That'd be accurate if Obama were proposing to raise taxes on 50% of the country – he's not, of course.

It'd be awesome if 50% of the country made $250,000 a year – but alas, not even close.

Mumbletypeg July 26, 2011 at 5:01 pm

Ugh, the rose-colored arsewipe returns. To put the Magog back into demagogue.

BlueStateLibel July 26, 2011 at 5:02 pm

And you know who else doesn't pay taxes (I have the answer): Rick Warren. As a pastor of some kind of church-thing, that means he doesn't pay taxes. I have an idea–let's start gettng religious groups to start paying taxes like everyone else–deficit will be fixed in no time!

berkeleyfarm July 26, 2011 at 9:34 pm

Church lady checking in: pastors are actually supposed to pay it on their income like regular folks. And they, for some reason lost in time, are treated as "self employed" people – so they need to write those quarterly checks and are on the hook for the whole SSI. My church (and I'm sure Moneybags, erm, Saddleback) does reimburse for the "self employment tax" as part of the comp package, but it's still quarterly payments. "Housing allowance", at least at some point, used to be tax free, but Rick his ownself may have fucked that up by publicly urging his brethren to ask for it instead of salary, the better to not render unto Caesar what was his. I think it's down to a percentage/capped amount, but may still be tax free. I can check with our accountant if you like.

BlueMonkeh July 26, 2011 at 10:42 pm

This may be true for your small-time parson, but something tells me that Rick's "income" that's reported to the IRS is not quite as majestic as the lifestyle he actually lives. I'll bet a lot of the assets and luxuries he enjoys in his position as head of his "church" are property of said church. Kind of like enjoying the company car even though it's cost and upkeep didn't come from your own reported income.

And I'm sure the "church" of Rick employes some tax accounting wizards that make sure all money is shifted appropriately to evade any tax reckoning he may have coming.

BerkeleyBear July 27, 2011 at 1:06 am

If you use a company car for personal use, you are supposed to reimburse the company or declare it as income. Ditto if you combine personal and business trips. But the key, ala Grifter Princess, is to make everything "business" related.

My new goal in life is to start a PAC and get my entire life publicly funded by others. Maybe a church is a better idea.

Nothingisamiss July 27, 2011 at 7:43 am

I look for the Grifter (TM) to start her own church if this grift ever dies out. Wait, I see over there Patrick Buchanan, so, nope, this money train ain't running out for her.

All she has is a wonderment at the other kinds of grift there are in this big world of ours.

MissTaken July 27, 2011 at 12:27 pm

"If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion"

L Ron Hubbard

Fox n Fiends July 26, 2011 at 5:02 pm

Lets tax churches and the deficit will die and go to heaven right quick like.

north_of_moscow July 26, 2011 at 5:04 pm

"Blessed are the rich in money"

Sue4466 July 26, 2011 at 5:36 pm

"Blessed are the rich job creators in money"


flamingpdog July 26, 2011 at 6:44 pm

You forgot to credit Republican Jesus. Gotta make sure it's grounded in the Bible (King Koch version).

Dashboard_Jesus July 29, 2011 at 3:37 pm
flamingpdog July 29, 2011 at 8:27 pm

That's precisely whom I meant. I was just too lazy to link to the Jesus's General website where you can see moar of Republican Jesus.

Dashboard_Jesus July 30, 2011 at 2:36 am

I don't know THAT guy at all…I think Dad ran his sorry ass outta the house after he saw him taking $$$ from the pharisees, that's a BIG no-no in our family!

PubOption July 26, 2011 at 8:38 pm

It is easier for a Koch brother to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a poor man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Republican bible.

tessiee July 28, 2011 at 11:12 am

"Blessed are the rich in money"

"It is better to be healthy and wealthy than to be poor and sick." — some guy

metamarcisf July 26, 2011 at 5:05 pm

What is the tax rate for Rick Warren's tax-exempt goatfuck?

Atlas Frooged July 26, 2011 at 5:58 pm

NO taxes. Zero. He must either be in the half that wants it raised, or Ricky's gunnin' for an orgy jet.

natoslug July 26, 2011 at 7:02 pm

Assuming the Christ-worshippers are correct about the whole God thing, I'm guessing one soul.

edgydrifter July 26, 2011 at 5:08 pm

Let them eat Koch. –Warren 3:16

Beowoof July 26, 2011 at 5:41 pm

Oh I am thinking it won't be long before Rick is found with meth and dick in his mouth in Dennys Men's Room.

Monsieur_Grumpe July 26, 2011 at 5:10 pm

What God is this guy representing?

Oh yeah, the Almighty Dollar.

Praise the Buck!

drrty_martini July 26, 2011 at 8:16 pm

When it comes to the choice between God and Mammon, Christianity has chosen the one with the best dividends.

Dashboard_Jesus July 26, 2011 at 11:05 pm

…and pass the plate!

dubyatf July 26, 2011 at 11:52 pm

Well, if you take the "l" out of gold. . .

elviouslyqueer July 26, 2011 at 5:11 pm

Ass. hole. Douche. bag. Hypocrite.

donner_froh July 26, 2011 at 5:26 pm

Minister Pastor Priest Hypocrite

DaRooster July 26, 2011 at 5:11 pm

Tis easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven…

… unless you give some money to Pastor Rick.

Boojum_Reborn July 26, 2011 at 5:39 pm

The fucking word is ROPE! A ROPE to pass through the eye of a needle! Same message, but makes sense.

Sorry, pet peeve. Aramaic for camel and rope are identical. Some middle age monk didn't know what a fucking camel was.

metamarcisf July 26, 2011 at 5:41 pm

I tried shoving a cigarette through the eye of a needle. What was I on?

Boojum_Reborn July 26, 2011 at 5:43 pm

Koch. No, that's shoving a lit cigarette through the eyes of widows and orphans…

SayItWithWookies July 26, 2011 at 5:44 pm

That explains what happened to Aramaic — most of the speakers died trying to put clove hitches in their camels.

Boojum_Reborn July 26, 2011 at 5:47 pm

Or using camels for auto-erotic asphyxiation.

LettucePrey July 26, 2011 at 5:51 pm

Actually, when I was growing up, my fundie teachers told me that "Eye of the Needle" was the name of a narrow gateway at the entrance to Nazereth. Travelers had to unload all their possessions off their camels in order to get through the gate; hence the Jebus quote wasn't a metaphor at all, but a reference to a specific location.

Or, my teachers could have been full of shit. Potato, po-tah-to.

GunToting[Redacted] July 26, 2011 at 6:42 pm

It's amazing how fundies can come up with a seemingly-plausible explanation to cover all the crazy shit in that book.

Doktor Zoom July 26, 2011 at 11:41 pm

The "eye of a needle" has been interpreted as a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century. However, there is no evidence for the existence of such a gate.

Some claim that "camel" is a Greek misprint; that kamilos (camel) was a misprint of kamêlos, meaning "rope" or "cable". That would resolve the mixed metaphor problem while still stating the impossibility for someone with worldly wealth to enter heaven.

Wikipedia, "eye of a needle" article

flamingpdog July 26, 2011 at 6:55 pm

(Sincere) Thanks for the edumacational fact.
But how can one expect a Middle Age monk to know anything about a fucking camel when his mind is focused only on fucking boys?

KenLayIsAlive July 26, 2011 at 7:06 pm

In all fairness, it is also very difficult to fit a camel through the eye of a needle. You don't want to know how I know, but trust me. Its hard.

Negropolis July 26, 2011 at 11:31 pm

I don't care; camel makes the saying even better. You ever try threading a camel through the eye of a needle, my friend?

Boojum_Reborn July 26, 2011 at 11:56 pm

Not unless you count goat fucking, which I don't.

PuckStopsHere July 27, 2011 at 2:55 am

As I said earlier today on the "Llama" thread, I think Shelly ought to blow a goat. I stand by that statement. And Rick Warren can, too. Blow a goat, that is. Then he can go and fuck right off.

Guppy06 July 26, 2011 at 11:39 pm

So… it's easier to piss up a camel?

Boojum_Reborn July 26, 2011 at 11:50 pm

Easier, yes; safer, no.

DaRooster July 27, 2011 at 10:26 am

My understanding has always been that in "Olden Days" Jews used "Camel" and "Elephant" through the eye of a needle often to describe something very difficult…

Kinda like our, "When pigs fly" type stuff… ('cuz they don't)

tessiee July 28, 2011 at 11:18 am

Of course pigs can't fly. They're trayfe.

Dashboard_Jesus July 29, 2011 at 3:41 pm

well isn't THAT interesting? after all these years of hearing that phrase I never heard that from anyone!

Beowoof July 26, 2011 at 5:42 pm

Next think you know he will be selling indulgences.

Boojum_Reborn July 26, 2011 at 5:45 pm

Or Koch.

BaldarTFlagass July 27, 2011 at 8:31 am

I wonder how easy it would be to pass Donald Sutherland through the eye of a needle.

Sorry, pretty obscure I know.

Boojum_Reborn July 27, 2011 at 9:25 am

I would be willing to put a Boehner through the eye of a needle. Or a needle through his eye.

tessiee July 28, 2011 at 11:20 am

Does that have anything to do with the novel that Donald Sutherland has been working on for ten years?

not that Dewey July 26, 2011 at 5:13 pm

Inasmuch as you have done it to the least-taxed of my job-creators, you have done it to me.

-Rick Warren, dba Jesus

user-of-owls July 26, 2011 at 11:00 pm


Lionel[redacted]Esq July 26, 2011 at 5:15 pm

For it is easier for a camel to enter my mega-church than it is for a poor man to enter heaven. I mean, come on, God has some standards.

–R. Warren.

Fukui_sanYesOta July 26, 2011 at 5:39 pm

Poor people smell bad.

– Jebus, Sermon on the Mount of Money

Dashboard_Jesus July 26, 2011 at 11:09 pm

oh I'd bet they got a FLEET of camels over at 'ol Humpack Church, to us at their annual Xmas circle jerk naturally…and I'm sure the douchebag Xtain gets a tax write off for THAT too…also, FUCK HIM!

horsedreamer_1 July 27, 2011 at 8:15 am

Heaven has no open housing laws. Praise Jeebus!

mumbly_joe July 26, 2011 at 5:16 pm

I'm assuming Rick Warren doesn't actually mean his own hateful, tax-exempt ass when he says those things, though.

donner_froh July 26, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Dear Pastor Reverend Doctor Warren:

Some idiot has gotten access to your Twitter account and is tweeting insane bullshit.

flamingpdog July 26, 2011 at 6:47 pm

Still a step above a Warren wiener pic.

berkeleyfarm July 27, 2011 at 12:53 am


A classic!

Lionel[redacted]Esq July 26, 2011 at 5:19 pm

Even if his argument is true (which it is not), it isn't much of an argument. We should not raise taxes on those who can afford to pay them (especially those making millions off of book sales), because we are not forcing the poor to pay taxes for the services they need.

By this logic, I guess if I buy a Mercedes Benz, I shouldn't have to pay any excise tax or sales tax on it, as the poor don't have to pay as much on the crappy little broken down Ford Fiesta they are lucky enough to drive.

Wait, maybe I'm getting religion now…..

Dashboard_Jesus July 26, 2011 at 11:11 pm

yep, sounds like you're catchin' on, which will come in handy when your Benz rolls in!

Tommmcatt July 26, 2011 at 5:19 pm

…Jesus said, “Watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted with respect in the marketplaces, and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely.”- Mark 12:38-40

He's lookin' at you, Ricky-boy.

Dashboard_Jesus July 26, 2011 at 11:11 pm

…and we all say AMEN!

Negropolis July 26, 2011 at 11:34 pm

They devour widows’ houses

These widows' houses wouldn't happen to be made of delicious gingerbread, would they?

tessiee July 28, 2011 at 11:53 am

MMMmmm… sugar walls.

inapewetrust July 26, 2011 at 5:22 pm

for everyone envious of those who don't pay federal income taxes, there's any easy solution: cut your annual income to $16K or less. pretty sweet, right? or, if you don't want to do that, stfu.

Hippielover July 26, 2011 at 8:42 pm

Your stupid comment makes the point, and it's more than $16k.

donner_froh July 26, 2011 at 5:24 pm

Fewer than 25% of Americans don’t contribute to federal tax receipts. The majority of those are students, the elderly, or the unemployed.

weejee July 26, 2011 at 5:26 pm

Now I lay me down with sheep
I prey to have my gold to keep

Ricky "keep smoking that number" Warren

Negropolis July 26, 2011 at 11:37 pm

If I shall die before I wake,
I pray the Lord my golde to take.
And should I live for other days,
I pray the dollar will guide my ways.

Lionel[redacted]Esq July 26, 2011 at 5:29 pm

I am sure it is times like this when Rick Warren is just happy that Jesus didn't waste any of his time on the poor or downtrodden, but only concentrated on the rich and powerful being happy. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, but only if the poor do it first."

BlueMonkeh July 26, 2011 at 10:38 pm

I'm pretty sure Ricky is hoping there really isn't a God because if there is he's gonna be on the list of those riding the burn-bag to Hades.

Gratuitous World July 26, 2011 at 5:31 pm


zappadoo76 July 27, 2011 at 3:25 am

He's not here right now, but Pastor Rick can take a message. Thank you in advance for your generous donation!

widestanceroman July 26, 2011 at 5:31 pm

Rich man, eye of a needle, heaven, something something. . .

Go to hell you bloaty old fuck.

savethispatient July 26, 2011 at 5:39 pm

And to think I still hadn't forgiven him for saying "Sasha" and "Malia" as if they were exotic dishes from a Central American country.

DashboardBuddha July 26, 2011 at 5:40 pm

I was listening to the news on the way home and figured (aka already knew) that the repthugs are playing chicken with the deficit just to shipwreck Obama in '12. And then I read about Walker's fucking with the voters (aka, democrat voters), this shit, and the myriad other Koch driven treason and I have to think, there has to be some kind of documentation somewhere…interoffice memo, email that states unequivocally that the RW is really just trying to fuck things up in a naked grab for power.

Dear lord…I don't ask for much, but would it be too hard to produce a whistle-blower?

Boojum_Reborn July 26, 2011 at 5:54 pm

Dear Dashboard Buddha,

What the fuck you think I'm doing with all the "natural" disasters in Jesus Land? These stupid fucks do NOT get the message.


PS: Say hi to the fat guy for me. Tell him God says Om.

HelmutNewton July 26, 2011 at 6:45 pm

Even if there was a whistleblower, Hopey would probably screw them over, just like he's done with so many others:

emmelemm July 26, 2011 at 6:54 pm

Even if said "memo" were to be produced, these are people who claim even an official birth certificate is fake. You could never, ever, ever convince them that whatever evidence was uncovered was real and not some "liebural plant". (See also: Norway false flag operation.)

It's sad but it's true.

dubyatf July 26, 2011 at 11:55 pm

Only ask, and you shall receive:

ALEC stands for the American Legislative Executive Council, but what it really stands for is corporate conservatives corrupting democracy. As I wrote awhile back, ALEC creates turnkey legislation which is then disseminated to elected officials who are also members via their very secretive organization after it has been approved by corporate members. Only, we really never knew who those corporate members were or who the lawmakers were, either.

But now, thanks to someone inside who leaked documents recently, there is much more information, and more to be gleaned. I cannot emphasize enough how important this is. Here are some examples of work (and damage) ALEC has done.

Beowoof July 26, 2011 at 5:43 pm

Dear Rick
The top 1% has been paying themselves all the money, thus the lower half has no income and thus no taxes. Douche Bag.

GOPCrusher July 26, 2011 at 5:48 pm

Whoever started this meme, needs to be punched in the throat.

BlueMonkeh July 26, 2011 at 10:39 pm

Groin. I vote groin.

Boojum_Reborn July 26, 2011 at 11:59 pm

Why do we have to choose? Punches for everyone!

Camaro Nova July 27, 2011 at 7:41 am

I'm pretty sure it was Piggy Wormtongue (Rushbo)

Boredw/Gravitas July 26, 2011 at 5:50 pm

Dear Rick,

Suck it. Suck it hard. Then eat a lightly-salted bag of, well, you know.


DashboardBuddha July 26, 2011 at 5:51 pm

Although I have said this many times before, it bears repeating…

I hate these fuckers with the heat of a thousand suns.

Dashboard_Jesus July 29, 2011 at 3:26 pm

hey wait a minue, that's MY line (and I thought I made that EXACT comment somewhere else on this thread, WTF?)

DashboardBuddha July 29, 2011 at 3:29 pm

No worries, DJ. There's enough hate and enough suns for us to share.

Dashboard_Jesus July 29, 2011 at 3:44 pm

yeah, but you'd think we could both give up the hatin' thing by now, eh? it's just that these phony fuckin' pharisees piss me off so much

DashboardBuddha July 29, 2011 at 3:47 pm

It's all good. They piss off the Heavenly Jesus too.

assistantatlas July 26, 2011 at 6:02 pm

You guys, be fair. Rick Warren is very Christ-like. He hangs out with hookers All. The. Time.

horsedreamer_1 July 27, 2011 at 8:55 am

But Jesus the Nazarene never hung out with trannies.

Goonemeritus July 26, 2011 at 6:07 pm

It is worse than most people realize, the commonly shown graph does show that the 1% pay a smaller percentage of their income than the next lower 20%. What people don’t realize is when you get into the top bracket deferred income becomes a common trick that lets them store away untaxed income until they need it. Also investment growth is not counted like income from work so this also distorts the numbers. Suffice it to say it’s good to be Rich Bitch!

MissusBarry July 26, 2011 at 7:49 pm

And, yet, I have this random little mutual fund that occasionally earns over $10 in a year that rolls back in that I have to count as a capital gain. I'd get an accountant, but that'd cost a fuckload more than 35% of $10.

MinAgain July 26, 2011 at 6:11 pm

"The poor you will always have with you." You know, I really don't think Jesus meant that as a national policy.

__kth__ July 26, 2011 at 6:25 pm

This thread gives me an idea for a game show: take 5 people at random from some aluminum-sided evangelical church, and 5 people at random from some trendy coffee house, or the NY Public Library, or some bar that serves absinthe, in general some haunt of the well-read skeptical, and have a Bible quiz. My money would totally be on the heathen.

Steverino247 July 26, 2011 at 6:52 pm

"Are You Smarter than an Atheist?"

(Trick question. Not if you still believe in imaginary friends.)

Rosie_Scenario July 27, 2011 at 9:14 am

Like when Stephen Colbert asked some Georgia GOP representives to recite the Ten Commnandments. He got maybe two of them. Morans.

Dashboard_Jesus July 29, 2011 at 3:28 pm

I LOVED that episode, dumb fuckin' rednecks can't even quote their OWN religious bullshit, WTF?

DerrickWildcat July 26, 2011 at 6:28 pm

I only want rich people at my church.

berkeleyfarm July 27, 2011 at 12:49 am

I heard some sort of vague story (translated: don't quote me on this because I could be wrong) that a financial statement is part of the application for "full membership" at Saddleback.

Callyson July 26, 2011 at 6:43 pm

FFS, this crap again? That old saw was debunked ages ago…
It’s A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes http://www.politicususa.com/en/half-americans-taxhttp://www.sodahead.com/united-states/the-myth-th
Now, can we get the Taiwanese political animators to take on this POS pastor?

Dashboard_Jesus July 29, 2011 at 3:45 pm

thanks for the link, very useful, I'm gonna save this one!

MLHencken July 26, 2011 at 6:48 pm

Income taxes, Pastor McDouchebag. They still pay sales tax of most of the things they buy.

You might want to spend more time ministering to the poor rather than complaining about how they don't pay Federal income tax, since THEY ARE AT OR BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL, ASSHOLE.

Sorry, folks. I'm a good Episcopalian (i.e. I like Jesus, gays, drinking, occasional cursing and do tons of volunteering) but sanctimonious evangelicals piss me right off.

Hippielover July 26, 2011 at 8:48 pm

They pay sales tax on what? Food? Clothes? No. Oh, I know….iPhones, tv's and all those other things we need to survive.

berkeleyfarm July 26, 2011 at 10:25 pm

You've got an AMEN from this fellow Piskie.

Ricky-boy, that voice in your head telling you to lie and cheat? Much less neglect the poors? I don't think it's the Holy Spirit.

Dashboard_Jesus July 29, 2011 at 3:29 pm

amen brother, AMEN!

obfuscator2 July 26, 2011 at 6:56 pm

fuck you, you fat hateful fuck. i have no patience for this shit today.

horsedreamer_1 July 26, 2011 at 6:59 pm

The way the pastor pisses on the vulnerable, we should start referring to him as R. Warren.

KenLayIsAlive July 26, 2011 at 7:01 pm

Unless Jesus had a massive change of heart over the last 2000 years, this guy is massively full of shit.

Any status on what percentage of Americans are children?

Ruhe July 27, 2011 at 8:55 am
DahBoner July 26, 2011 at 7:05 pm

I think he means poor hedge fund managers who make only a billion a year, pay no taxes…

Redhead July 26, 2011 at 7:10 pm

But I thought Warren and the other GOPers and teabaggers WANTED half of US adults to pay no taxes.

By which I mean, of course, the female half, who are popping out babies, barefoot at home, so quickly they don't have time to get jobs and pay income taxes.

snoopyfan2010 July 26, 2011 at 7:16 pm

This post made my day. The whole effort in figuring out what he said must have been above his pay grade.

jimstoic July 26, 2011 at 7:17 pm

It's a cynical view of humanity that thinks people who pay taxes can't be willing to pay more. What, exactly, does it mean to people like Rick Warren to love their country?

KenLayIsAlive July 26, 2011 at 9:35 pm

To these guys it generally appears that "to love your country" means to be caught blowing lines of meth of a boy's ass somewhere within it's borders.

axmxz July 26, 2011 at 8:45 pm

Mathew something or other E: Pi "But Jesus said, Suffer these assholes, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for the welcome they'll get will be a hell of a lot warmer than they expect."

Hippielover July 26, 2011 at 8:51 pm

All you haters of wealth and truth will never have it. You are prisoners of the welfare mindset and all you want to do is pick someone else's pocket, and speak platitudes. Good luck to you when the golden goose is done.

poppaneedsanap July 26, 2011 at 9:06 pm

asshat par excellence

berkeleyfarm July 26, 2011 at 9:21 pm

Awww, is L'il Ricky upset because the IRS cracked down on the allowable "housing alliance" for pastors, thus causing him to actually have to pay taxes on most of his compensation? Serves L'il Ricky right for publicly urging other pastors to game the IRS by urging their congregations to pay them (non-taxable at the time) "housing allowance" instead of salary.

L'il Ricky might also be cranky if he just wrote out a quarterly check to the IRS, because for some reason clergy are "self employed" according to the tax code and have to write those checks for withholding and 15% SSI. Which I thought was highway fucking robbery when I was working on 1099, but then I 1) have income that fell below the SSI cap and 2) wasn't getting reimbursement for the "self employment tax" (7.5%) as part of my comp package as I'm sure L'il Ricky is. (I mean, my much-smaller church includes that as part of the pastor's compensation, I'm sure that Rev. Moneybags insists upon it.)

user-of-owls July 26, 2011 at 9:54 pm

Hey, Rev, welcome to the reservation! Great to have ya!*

*um ok, nice that i finally recognized that you were on the Rez.

*sheepish sheepishness*

berkeleyfarm July 26, 2011 at 10:26 pm

If you're referring to me … I'm not a Rev., just a laywoman who wants her religion back from the money-grubbing bigots.

user-of-owls July 26, 2011 at 11:08 pm

Well of course I'm referring to you, silly laywoman who wants her religion back from the money-grubbing bigots!

And guess what? Herewith, you'll always be La Rev to me, because reverend should in reality refer to those whose works, beliefs or characters should be revered. And you done got qualified on those grounds.

So, agin', hiya La Rev!

berkeleyfarm July 27, 2011 at 12:44 am

Well, hello! *blush*

berkeleyfarm July 26, 2011 at 9:26 pm

FWIW, my guess for "the thing that brings Rick Warren down" has always been "financial".

Mark Driscoll, I've got pegged for "starts having serial affairs with the 20-something chickeybabes who keep propositioning him". Although he's totally obsessed enough about "masculinity" and the whole he-man thing, it could be rentboys instead.

Papa_Uniform July 26, 2011 at 9:49 pm

"Pastor" Rick is doing what these turds always do, step on their own dicks. What amazes me is how they get their foot up that high squish the wee thing. You keep tweeting Rick. Even you good friend Obama won't be able to keep you afloat.

user-of-owls July 26, 2011 at 9:50 pm

Motherfuckin' muscular Jesus would belong to the fuckin' United Brotherhood of Carpenters, you stupid cunt. And you'd be pissin' your fuckin' preacher-panties waitin' for him to knock on the door and say, "Nice fuckin' megachurch you got here. Be a shame if a fuckin' 8×12 beam fell outta the ceiling right over dem pews dere, know what I mean?"

bikerlaureate July 27, 2011 at 8:29 pm

My hero.

For years I've been reminding people that Jesus was a tradesman, work on a construction crew for even a couple hours and ponder that type of animal, etc. etc.

BlueMonkeh July 26, 2011 at 10:27 pm

You know who else doesn't pay taxes, Rick? Your BUSINESS. Yeah, that's right, your business because you had the luck to grift yourself into a sweet "religious" tax-free gig, you fucking fucker.

Cunt. And, also, too.

monkeypowered1 July 26, 2011 at 10:48 pm

W.W.J.T…..what would Jesus tweet?

OneDollarJuana July 26, 2011 at 10:55 pm

It's been obvious to me for years: pastors in the Evangelical churches are there for at least one of two reasons: power and money. Every single one of them that I've run across has been an addict of the adulation of their congregations. The more successful have managed to fleece their flocks of much, much money. I'm convinced that the majority of them, virtually all men, are bedding several members of the congregation. Just think how much Rick Warren's cachet, and bank account, went up after being graced by the Obama Blessing.

BlueMonkeh July 27, 2011 at 8:20 am

Hopey's been telegraphing his real intentions to all of us libtards from the get-go. Choosing this <I can't even come up with a profanity vile enough> "pastor" to read his magic spell at the inauguration was a vision of all things to come.

HolyCow!! July 26, 2011 at 11:22 pm

Many of these non-payers are retirees and school children.

MissTaken July 27, 2011 at 12:48 pm

Get a job!1!!1!!

Negropolis July 26, 2011 at 11:23 pm

Blessed are the job creators, for they hope to buy a VIP pass to heaven.

But, Rick is a New Evangelical, which means that when he damns you to hell and spews conservative boilerplate bullshit, he does it with a smile, see.

iburl July 26, 2011 at 11:35 pm

20 The young man said to him, "All these (commandments) I have observed; what do I still lack?"

21 Jesus said to him, "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."

22 When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful; for he had great possessions.

23 And the name of that young man was Rick Warren.

flamingpdog July 26, 2011 at 11:56 pm


Negropolis July 26, 2011 at 11:40 pm

Poor Little Rich Girl only havin' fun…

Weenus299 July 26, 2011 at 11:45 pm

Well fuck his speaking at the next inauguration.

HobbesEvilTwin July 26, 2011 at 11:50 pm

and fuck Obama for, well, a ton of shit, including putting that pantload Warren on the map.

Papa_Uniform July 26, 2011 at 11:58 pm

Many upfisties to you HET for that. Credit where credit is due.

flamingpdog July 26, 2011 at 11:58 pm

In an effort to reach across the aisle (and I mean, really reach across the aisle), Obama will have the invocation at the next inauguration given by Zombie Jerry Falwell.

BlueMonkeh July 27, 2011 at 8:22 am

The way things are going, Crazy Eyes will get to pick the next wizard that casts spells for the nation.

MiniMencken July 26, 2011 at 11:47 pm

Cromulent may be an underused word, but so are mountebank, charlatan and impostor and they fit the televangelist grifter crowd to a T. Increase your word power!

user-of-owls July 27, 2011 at 1:20 am

ooohhh, you give me a vocabularic girl-boner-even-though-I'm-a-guy, um boner. Vocabularically. grrr.

Geminisunmars July 27, 2011 at 1:23 am

But there is nothing cromulent about Warren. I think?

Negropolis July 27, 2011 at 3:52 am

My disdain for Rick Warren (Jeffs) has been embiggened.

HobbesEvilTwin July 26, 2011 at 11:48 pm

cue the thousands of fucktards who are going to post that meme as a facebook update in three … two ….

arihaya July 27, 2011 at 12:08 am

I think Obama has some wicked sense of humor,,

I mean,, I guess he conspicuously choose this mad Southern Baptist pastor to highlight what a turd is a person like him

Negropolis July 27, 2011 at 3:54 am

Yeah, that's it. Right. It's all just a sardonic joke. Right? Right? **nervous laughter**

obfuscator2 July 27, 2011 at 12:17 am

it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich pigfucker evangelical to form a coherent thought.

rick, if your taxes get raised, just increase your tax-free corporation's tithing quota. and get fucked while you're at it.

Papa_Uniform July 27, 2011 at 12:25 am

Belated thanks to Obama for including Rick Warren (Pastor to the rich and suckcessful) in the Inauguration. First of many triumphant compromises.

Negropolis July 27, 2011 at 3:55 am

But, he brought in Beyonce, so…ooo…butterfly! Wait, what were we talking about, again?

Neilist_Returns July 27, 2011 at 12:26 am

This may be one of those "With The Benefit of 20/20 Hindsight" things.

But in retrospect, that the Obama Administration was going to be One Gutless, Craven, Cave-In To The Right After Another should have been obvious from his selection of Warren the "religious leader" to give the Invocation.

That said, Rev. Wright should stop calling Obama "boy." "Uncle Tom" and/or "House Negro" are more than sufficient.

Negropolis July 27, 2011 at 3:56 am

This may be one of those "With The Benefit of 20/20 Hindsight" things.

Nope. Warren has always been a jerk, but the media deemed him "moderate" and popular, so everyone had to kiss his ass.

horsedreamer_1 July 27, 2011 at 8:25 am

His appeal was aided in no small part by the meth-head in Florida who read from The Purpose Driven Life to subdue the jail escapee who was holding her hostage.

That, more than any other part of the narrative, is what keeps people from re-evaluating Pastor Rick. (Who prolly deserves close to as much scrutiny for Prop 8 in Calif. as does the Mormon Church.)

owhatever July 27, 2011 at 1:20 am

He explained it to mean that the top 10 percent of the middle third's bottom 11 percent, on average, pay unfair taxes to the bottom two-thirds of the fifty percenters, who wish it were the other way around. Now we pass the collection plate again while you scratch your head and I dodge the IRS..

anniegetyerfun July 27, 2011 at 1:22 am

Poor people are just so fucking SELFISH.

fuflans July 27, 2011 at 2:15 am

this guy.

widget2011 July 27, 2011 at 6:29 am

Just remember what the bible says:

It is easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle, than for a poor shlub to enter the gates of heaven.

Blessed are the rich, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Cursed are they that mourn, for they shall be kicked in the arse.
Blessed are the haughty & arrogant, for they shall inhertit the earth.
Cursed are they which do hunger and thirst after rightgeousness, for they shall be starved.
Cursed are the merciful, for they shall be seen as weak, and shown no mercy.
Cursed are the pure in heart, for they shall be delivered unto Satan.
Blessed are the warmongers, for they shall be called the children of god.
Cursed are those who are persecuted for righteguesness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of hell.
Blessed are those who have smokin' hot wives, for that is what god had intended (sic).

BaldarTFlagass July 27, 2011 at 8:26 am

Nicely done!

Thedongsofwar July 27, 2011 at 7:13 am

If its one thing Jesus is famous for, its his support of job creating money lenders and his hatred of the poor.

BaldarTFlagass July 27, 2011 at 7:58 am

"Warren removed the Tweet from his account already"

I do this a lot myself, when I surly-aggressive-drunk post.

weejee July 27, 2011 at 8:18 am

BTF is that the new SAD?

BaldarTFlagass July 27, 2011 at 8:21 am

I guess so. Hey, y'all, I made a meme!!!

Jerri July 27, 2011 at 8:00 am

So Christlike, this man.

Respitetini July 27, 2011 at 8:07 am

Problem for these ass-licks is that this Jesus fellow was quite clear on paying your taxes. Went something like this: "Whose face is that on the dollar bill? Washington's? Huh. So, you give to Washington what's Washington's, and you give to God what's God's." I'm paraphrasing, but you get the idea.

Learn the Bible before you preach it, you stupid fucking fuck.

BaldarTFlagass July 27, 2011 at 8:11 am

"HALF of America pays NO taxes. Zero."

Hey Rick:
ALL of America's churches pay NO taxes. ZERO. Never have, never will.

So…. FUCK OFF, you stupid soppy wanker.

weejee July 27, 2011 at 8:24 am

And a pay-for-PhD divinity degree from Universal Life beats the draft if that ever comes back. Better to be an occifer preacher than an enlisted 11B10 grunt humpin' a pig.

No sillies, not makin' bacon with Porky, but the beloved M60.

WinterOuthouse July 27, 2011 at 8:38 am

I long for the day when these smartass ignorant pastors cause their 'churches' to loose their tax exempt status. Greedy hateful bastard pastors

Ruhe July 27, 2011 at 8:49 am

Sorry Reverend Rick, bad news from these Chinese Physicists: clicking delete on your timeline will never be the same as actual time travel.

Anthr_DCLwyr3d July 27, 2011 at 8:51 am

As the leader of a tax-exempt organization that pays zero tax he must be advocating for increased taxes, right?

Nopantsmcgee July 27, 2011 at 8:56 am

Someone needs to knock the cock right out of his fat mouth.

Come here a minute July 27, 2011 at 9:03 am

The real lucky-duckies are the long-term jobless — they haven't paid a penny in taxes in years, yet they're still enjoying the largess of big government highway overpasses, under which they have been living since their unemployment benefits ran out.

Poindexter718 July 27, 2011 at 9:03 am

This Tartuffe must wake up every day and ask himself "WWJS (whom would Jesus screw)?"

jus_wonderin July 27, 2011 at 9:38 am

Oh my gahhhhhhh…………………

JustPixelz July 27, 2011 at 10:07 am

Sounds like Mr. Warren is living a real purpose driven life. His purpose is kinda selfish which makes him another slob like one of us.

starfanglednut July 27, 2011 at 10:12 am

Oh fer fucks sake. I am disabled. I'm living on roughly $800/month. I pay no income tax. Would Rick Warren like to exchange financial situations?

mookwrthwilson July 27, 2011 at 10:31 am

Rick Warren's tweets are like pure evil…he is now criticizing the people who criticized him for being an asshole.

ChiBizzGuy July 27, 2011 at 10:32 am

If anyone would like to call Saddleback and express their views about exactly how sanctimonious a douchenozzle Rev. Rick is (and to ask when they will start paying their fair share of taxes on the millions of dollars they take in each year), their numbers are (949) 609-8300 and (949) 609-8010. Just saying …

benjo765 July 27, 2011 at 10:52 am

How good do you reckon Rick is at fitting his fat ass through needle eyes?

El Pinche July 27, 2011 at 10:55 am

He is twatter name should be @GiveMeYourJesusMoneySoYouCanSleepAtNight

bureaucrap July 27, 2011 at 11:03 am

"Behold the lilies of the field; they toil not,
So they should be taxed at 70%, as punishment."

ThundercatHo July 27, 2011 at 11:26 am

Fuck this fucking fuck and all his sick, phony, pos brethren. I'd love to see Kourtney shove her giant vegetable up his ass and down his throat. I just really hate guys like these. Aretha should've put her foot right up his ass on the first fucking day and just set the right tone. Asshole.

ugodOH July 27, 2011 at 11:27 am

My rich Republican grandparents own this book called something like "How to Pay No Income Tax". I'm poor and I pay income tax so I don't know how this all is supposed to work. Do I need to have a bunch of kids or something?

ttommyunger July 27, 2011 at 12:04 pm

I figured this lardass goatee-sporting douche as a hack when he gave McCain a free ride during his "Debate" with Barry. Nice of Ricky Boy to let Walnuts hear the whole thing over the radio because he "was late" arriving for the event and couldn't be in the soundproofed Green Room. This turd wouldn't rate as a dingleberry on Jesus' ass and if he ever meets him he'd better be wearing a cup.

a_pink_poodle July 27, 2011 at 12:31 pm

As it says in the Bible; "Blessed be the rich for they can afford the $50,000 entrance fee into heaven. All the poor and lazy people will be dashed before the feet of Jesus" Lawl 6:9

PalinPussyPower July 27, 2011 at 1:03 pm


Nostrildamus July 27, 2011 at 1:09 pm

Damn right, Rick! Time to tax all those churches !!

poorgradstudent July 27, 2011 at 1:48 pm

For some reason I'm reminded of that scene from Kevin Costner's "I Can't Believe It's Not Robin Hood" where Friar Tuck kills a corrupt bishop by loading him up with so much gold and treasure he falls out of a window.

Isyaignert July 27, 2011 at 2:29 pm

WTF – Churches don't pay taxes either.

squirmisher July 28, 2011 at 11:11 am

Revoke his tax exempt status so he can pay his fair share that the poors aren't paying.

tessiee July 28, 2011 at 12:02 pm

I haven't seen Saint Rond in this thread, so I'll take the liberty of commenting on his behalf re pastor Warren:


That cunt.

miked420 July 29, 2011 at 12:43 pm

Oh yea Rick? Well there's no such thing as a god.

Dashboard_Jesus July 29, 2011 at 3:47 pm

very nice, I thought I'd seen some big upfist numbers before but 341 may be da winna! (and of course Wookies is worht every fist!)

RightWrezko August 2, 2011 at 3:02 pm

Me want pay more tax.

V572 Hair of Destiny July 26, 2011 at 7:02 pm

Nope. The Riches benefit from this deduction more than the Poors. First because it applies to second homes, if you can freaking believe that. Second because the deduction is worth more the higher your tax rate.

savethispatient July 26, 2011 at 7:06 pm

Aha.. So, keep the tax break, but only for your primary home and also add a cap?
Nah, that's just more paperwork – I'll take the hit, yeah, okay, scrap the tax break.

riverside68 July 27, 2011 at 9:18 am

Don't forget that you also get to deduct interest on the investment property also. (So the more your land lord has borrowed the more s/he gets to deduct.)

genxr July 27, 2011 at 10:02 am

I'd say get rid of it for second homes. Anyone can sell their second home. If we got rid of it altogether, I'd be in big trouble – I couldn't afford it and the price would drop putting me underwater, but if we capped it at $500k (okay so I'm one of those successful techie types) I'd take a small hit but could manage. Most people who buy homes – primary residence – above that price put a lot more than 20% down. Can you even get a mortgage much bigger than that anymore?

Fucking Obama should have just let the Bush tax cuts expire – all of them. People would have complained for about a week, but then the world wouldn't end and we'd be looking at a lot lower deficit now.

V572 Hair of Destiny July 26, 2011 at 7:16 pm

The advanced thinking is to make it a tax credit, with a cap, and applicable only on your primary residence.

Lascauxcaveman July 26, 2011 at 7:38 pm

I've owned a couple homes since 1992 (seems impossible, but now that I look at it, undeniable) and have never been able to take advantage of the mortgage interest tax break because I made big down payments (reducing the size of the principle) and bought slightly less home than I could absolutely afford. It was always a better deal for me to take the standard deduction, rather than itemize and get the mortgage credit.

I realize this makes me something of a freak, but I say: Lose the mortgage loophole.

V572 Hair of Destiny July 26, 2011 at 7:50 pm

And a thousand homebuilders, real estate agents, mortgage brokers, lumber yards and SUV manufacturers say to you: DIE! DIE! DIE! THE WORLD OWES US A LIVING!

riverside68 July 27, 2011 at 9:20 am

U R doing it Rong

Don't let the terrorists win

Boojum_Reborn July 26, 2011 at 11:54 pm

In Aramaic, the word for "camel" (גמלא) is spelled identically to the word for "rope" (גמלא).

Fukui_sanYesOta July 27, 2011 at 12:13 am

You must be one of them there libberal eleetists what I keep hearing about, with your knowledge and all.

Seriously though, nice one. This place rocks.

tessiee July 28, 2011 at 11:17 am

You may be right. I know not one word of Arabic, not even swears, but I have to say that the story about the camel not being able to pass through the doorway with its burden of material objects is a nice, vivid, easily-grasped metaphor.

PristineODummy July 27, 2011 at 2:55 am

Jeezus, if that was your ROI, everybody would be lining up to give up their exemption.

horsedreamer_1 July 27, 2011 at 8:13 am


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