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Herman Cain: First Amendment Says Muslims Not Allowed To Build Mosques

only 'traditional' religious fanatics allowedAccording to Herman Cain’s latest terrorismism reports from Tennessee, he can safely tell us that whatever the Mooslims over there are up to these days, it is “not innocent.” Tennessee is practically Afghanistan, is how bad things have gotten, which means that it is full of poor, mostly illiterate people ruled by intolerant religious fanatics and opium meth addiction. So because of this, the jihadists hiding out there want to build another mosque, a request legally known as “rape of the First Amendment,” because free exercise of religion is magically its total opposite whenever a Muslim practices it. 

What exactly is it that the terrorists want? A mosque, they just want to build a mosque, known in English as a “church.” For worshipping, on their own, their own religion, which is unlike running for office and trying to write legislation in a number of ways. Herman Cain can’t tell those ways apart.

Here he is blathering incoherently on Chris Wallace’s Fox News Sunday morning show:

“Our Constitution guarantees separation of church and state,” Cain explained. “Islam combines church and state. They are using the church part of our First Amendment to infuse their mosque in that community and people in the community do not like it, they disagree with it. Sharia law is what they are trying to infuse… What I am saying is American laws in American courts.”

“Couldn’t any community then say we don’t want a mosque in our community?” Wallace asked.

“They could say that,” Cain admitted. “They are objecting to the fact that Islam is both a religion and set of laws, Sharia law. That is the difference between any one of our other traditional religions where it’s just about religious purposes. The people in the community know best. I happen to side with the people in the community.”

Yes, silly Islam with all its “laws,” they should just have something more like the Bible, that book about dinosaurs. [RawStory]

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      1. Barb

        Sleeping is for wussies. Seriously, I detest sleeping. It would be the one thing I would eliminate from life if given the chance.

          1. HistoriCat

            That's napping – completely different. Humans sleep at night. Since cats nap, they are able to stay awake all night and make mysterious noises, causing said humans to have to investigate. Bonus points if you can get one to step barefoot in a hairball in the dark.

  1. seppdecker

    "What I am saying is American laws in American courts.”

    He forgot to add, "With a giant stone set of the Ten Commandments in front of the courthouse."

      1. Serolf_Divad

        Yeah, but because of plate tectonics and continental drift (which scientists at the Institute for Creation Research have just proved to have ocurred over a period of a few thousand years) the Ten Commandments were actually handed to Moses on land that is is currently in America (present day Alaska or Minnessotta depending on whether you ask Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann's pastor).

        1. Preferred Customer

          Yes! I actually read about this on a set of golden tablets I keep in my magic hat. I'll read them to you sometime, but don't be surprised if they change from one telling to another. They do that, magically.

          1. WIDTAP

            Just ask any of your eleven wives. They will tell you this is true, mostly because they know you will veto their entrance into paradise if they don't.

        2. SorosBot

          Plate tectonics and continental drift? What are you, some kind of heathen godless science-believer? God created the world mostly as it is, then the great flood of genocide this benevolent being sent to murder all of humanity except one family changed the face of the Earth, and that's it!

          1. Doktor Zoom

            Ah, Sorosbot, you fail to appreciate the lengths to which creotards will go in shoehorning elements of mainstream science into their young-earth lunacy. There are indeed quite a few creationists who think the movement of continents into their current positions all happened during the Flood. Here's a sample:

            The model also provides a mechanism for retreat of the flood waters. Psalm 104:6-7 describes the abating of the waters which had stood above the mountains. Verse 8 most naturally translates as, “The mountains rose up; the valleys sank down,” implying that vertical earth movements were the dominant tectonic forces operating at the close of the flood, in contrast to the horizontal forces dominant during the spreading phase.

            Plate collisions would have pushed up mountains, while cooling of the new ocean floor would have increased its density, causing it to sink and thus deepen the new ocean basins to receive the retreating flood waters. It may be significant, therefore, that the “mountains of Ararat” (Genesis 8:4), the resting place of the ark after the 150th day of the flood, are in a tectonically active region at what is believed to be the junction of three crustal plates.

            Of course, for that to work, the continents would have had to gallop across the surface of the earth in 40 days, which I suppose is no MORE absurd than any other creationist wankery…

      2. Terry

        Well, probably more precisely, the Decalogue came from some place on Mount Sinai which is in Egypt….which is infested with Mooooooslems.

        1. zhubajie

          Mt. Sinai is controlled by Greek Orthodox monks, who the fundies probably wouldn't like much, either!

    1. OneDollarJuana

      It's becoming very clear that "Sharia Law" is the new "gay marriage", because they have just about lost that battle.

      1. ArmoredLibunatic

        Damn Creeping Sharia! Even if you dig that stuff up by the roots, it drops little seeds that can grow without you even knowing it. If I found it in my garden, I'd be on my hands and knees all weekend!

      1. zhubajie

        Take it for granted that the kinds of fundies who are anti-Muslim have been anti-Catholic all along!

    2. zhubajie

      I've always wondered, what about the other 603 commandments? And when will the fundies start circumcizing their hearts?

  2. bureaucrap

    Try the new "Post-Freedom" Pizza, topped with scraps of the US Bill of Rights!! It's delicious!

  3. HobbesEvilTwin

    It's nice to see that the Republic Party found a new standard-bearer crazy black guy to take over for Alan Keyes.

  4. GuyClinch

    Detached hemorrhoid Herman Cain can shove the 10 commandments up his ass. He makes about as much sense as Basil Marceaux, but without the larfs. Why does anybody (other than Fux) put this asshole on the teevee?

  5. prommie

    This here fellow is what you call a jabbering moron. Some say that as a black man, he planned this, as a means to show the world that a black man can be racist too, establish his racist cred, so to speak, so that white racists, I mean republicans, will accept him, but he is plainly to stupid too have actually planned this. Nope, this is just a jabbering fool.

      1. prommie

        I calls it like I sees it. This Cain, he reminded me of Chappelle's black KKK member character.

  6. Poindexter718

    Why does Herman Cain blaspheme the Bible and hate its 10 Commandments by implying they aren't as valid as the towel-heads' Sharia law?

  7. BaldarTFlagass

    I agree. I think our elected officials, right on up to the Prez, invoke God and prayer entirely too much. (ANY is entirely too much).

    1. V572 der Plaatz

      God bless you for saying that.

      Remember how Saint Ronnie of Santa Barbara used to end all his addresses with the non-specific "God bless"? God bless what? The Ku Klux Klan? The YMCA?

      1. nonbeliever7

        I propose we devise a non-denominational replacement for Amen and God Bless. May I suggest….keepfuckinthatchicken…kinda rolls off the tongue.

  8. Sue4466

    Proving he knows nothing about the Constitution, Islam, or anything really.

    Our next President of the United States everybody!

    1. Ruhe

      Actually, given that Herman's thinking on how a Mosque might affect a community and how Sharia might affect U.S. Courts is basically analogous to the assumptions that underlie homeopathic medicine, "infuse" is probably exactly the word he should be using.

      1. Fare la Volpe

        It's against kosher, yes. There's a reason cheeseburgers don't sell well in Flushing, Queens.

          1. finallyhappy

            From the quotation " thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk", Based on that no meat and dairy products- also no poultry and dairy since the rabbis consider poultry to be included- probably from the concept "building a fence around the Torah". And this whole topic should be "don't ask, don't tell"

          2. Rotundo_

            I am not sure how one would milk a chicken, but I wouldn't drink what you got out of one.

    1. V572 der Plaatz

      "Hawaiian" pizza is as much an abomination in My eyes as the so-called "vodka Martini." I have spoken.


      1. Lascauxcaveman

        Oh great Yahweh,

        Please tell me you feel the same way about about that crappy whole wheat crust. Or those gluten-free abominations you hear about sometimes.

  9. Monsieur_Grumpe

    Let’s be fair Herman. Ban all the churches. Let’s start with whatever place of worship that molded your twisted view of the world. And while we're banning crap, let's burn all the cheesy Jeebus CDs out there.

      1. GOPCrusher

        If there's going to be any burning of CDs, I vote we start with the Pat Boone's In A Metal Mood.

  10. MissTaken

    "That is the difference between any one of our other traditional religions where it’s just about religious purposes"

    Yes, because we all know the "traditional" religions like Christianity never try to use their religious beliefs to influence political discourse such as gay marriage, abortion rights, prayer in public schools, etc etc etc. Nope, never happens.

    1. SayItWithWookies

      And of course, it was the Christian establishment that insisted on separation of church and state back in 1789, not the secular or forward-thinking members of the Constitutional Convention who recoiled in horror at the excesses of the religious conflicts in England where Catholics were forbidden from going to college, church land was taken, and non-protestants were burned at the stake. Or even here in the colonies, where Massachusetts towns banished Quakers and then cut their ears off if they came back.

      That the framers intentionally applied the separation doctrine to all religions without specifying that Christianity was a favored viewpoint is well-documented too, 'cause they all discussed it for a long time. Tea partiers of course are blissfully ignorant of this.

  11. Weenus299

    “They could say that,” Cain admitted. “They are objecting to the fact that Islam is both a religion and set of laws, Sharia law. …"

    Islam could also be a refreshing new dessert on the Godfather's menu. Islam could be the feeling you feel when you wake up in the morning and you haven't yet realized that you have to pay money to an electric company, and drive to a place where you earn money to pay money, and shit like that. Islam could be your best friend coming over to drink a beer with you at sunset, and give you a hug, tell you that it's going to be all right, so that you can wake up the next morning and not commit suicide when you think about bills.

    See? I can blather like an idiot too.

  12. karen

    Why aren't any of these loons going bat-shit crazy about those ultra-orthodox Jews who live in their own communities with their own police and their own LAWS? Or, the Amish?

    Where is the crazy black man on Sunday TV railing against the Amish? This I want to see.

    1. James Michael Curley

      When a horse drawn four wheeled buggy is flown into a large metropolitan building.

      1. karen

        It will happen. You just wait.

        Basically my point was, I wish people would stop pandering to these racist dickheads. It's gotten to the point where I just sigh, then move on to the next absurd headline. I can barely muster the snark.

        1. Gleem_McShineys

          It will happen. You just wait.


          "Zebediah Determined To Buggy Inside The U.S." is just a historical document, right?

    2. FakaktaSouth

      Eric Cantor (the only Jewish R Senator) is a practicing kosher Orthodox Jewish person. They have all the separate cooking bowls and sinks and everything in their kitchen, and his mother-in-law does all the cooking so that their food doesn't touch. Which I think sounds like a huge pain in the ass, BUT NOBODY CARES!!! They have FOOD LAWS!!! Michelle Obama, no, Eric Cantor, yes.
      ALso, he doesn't think Jesus is anything all that special.

          1. glamourdammerung

            I think most folks call him that if only because most Americans do not know what the Likud party is.

    3. AJWjr.

      What fun would that be, knowing the object of his hatred doesn't own a TV and therefore can't watch…

  13. neiltheblaze

    I can tell the Republican base really doesn't take Herman Cain seriously, because they haven't even asked for his birth certificate yet.

    1. SayItWithWookies

      Yeah, but it's well-documented that he makes shitty pizza, which is a guarantor of American citizenship right there.

  14. Sue4466

    Is it me or does the fundie Christian obsession with Sharia & the Muslins imposing their own version of religious law on everyone else just boil down to professional jealousy?

    1. BlueMonkeh

      YES. Both hate on gays, want to keep women "in their place" and want children to be dutiful little servants to their fathers.

    2. SayItWithWookies

      It's like the palm reader accusing the tarot card reader down the street of fraud.

    3. GOPCrusher

      It's humorous. They hate Iran because they have a theocratic government, but they aren't allowed to do the same thing here.
      It must grate on their nerves that the Founding Fathers saw fit to ensure that something like that can't happen in America, I think they use the Muslims and Sharia Law as a scare tactic to convince the American public to allow it, without changing the Constitution.
      Hell, they've got that stupid Family Leader Pledge that they are trying to bludgeon the Republikllan candidates into signing, why not go full retard and demand that the Republiklan nominee must take on the title of "Ayatollah" or "Mullah"?

    4. comrad_darkness

      Really. These People they are hating on pray in public, to the same God, many many times a day. The American Xtians can't possibly compete. It's game over playing on a level playing field of True Faith.

    5. zhubajie

      Yes it does! Prots these days have given up on helping the poor, & certainly on any kind of prison ministry. So lots of poor people end up going to the competition, esp. in prison. I can't remember the title now, but some years ago I read a memoir by some big white guy who joined the (mostly black) Muslims in prison, because you had to belong to some group and they were the most reasonable. He went on to fighting Russians in Chechneya, trying to warn the CIA about Bin Laden, etc.

  15. Limeylizzie

    When i feel sad and think Hopey may lose the election, along come the Republican "A" team and I am sad no more.

    1. sezme

      "Hopey!" I remember when we used to call him that. I can't decide what to call him now, but it isn't Hopey. Conciliatey?

    2. BlueMonkeh

      Not only does the competition look inept, but they make Hopey look like a genius.

      Never forget….W – 2 terms – never did I think that guy would win in 2004, but it happened. I am constantly reminded of the stupidity of the duhMerkun population and what damage they can do when motivated.

  16. El Pinche

    I'm glad Cain is addressing the core of our economic issues. Bigotry is good.

    Seriously, is hating muslins his platform? I don't hear anything else from that uncle tom.

    1. BlueMonkeh

      He's the GOP's new "black friend" – see, they're not racists against "the blacks" like Trump said.

      1. El Pinche

        Paul Mooney would call Cain a "graham cracker." The GOP love the blacks who keep their place. What a way to get the bagger vote by hating muslims (bad sand niggers!).

    2. prommie

      Hey, pizza-selling, and pizza-buying, thats pretty much the basis of our economy. Its called the new 'service" economy. And that drives the information-based economy, we use computers and interwebs to get coupons for the pizza we buy. Its a seamless web, all based on pizza.

  17. ThundercatHo

    I agree with Hermie. There should be NO churches in any community. I mean, Ayn Rand was an atheist (a fact the tea baggers conveniently disregard) so let's just ban religion altogether. It's not like these assholes even follow the tenents of the religion the proclaim to practice.

    1. guangho

      If I say I am a Christian that will make it magically true. Actually that sums up their governing philosophy pretty well. Say it and mean it!

    2. JohnyEdge

      I give you Highland Park, Texas. Churches are prohibited by zoning law because they are so declasse.

    1. GOPCrusher

      Heard that douche nozzle, Rich Lowry say yesterday that if Rick Perry doesn't jump into the race, that it's going to be a two way battle between Michele and Mitt for the nomination.

    2. Negropolis

      Well, then he's already lost, poor fool. 'Cause, Bachmann cornered crazy, shot it in the face, and not triumphantly wears it's treated pelt around her neck as a trophy.

  18. OneYieldRegular

    While it's refreshing to hear a Republican speak out against merging religion and state, for real refreshment Cain should try my mosque-infused vodka. I really think it's my most successful concoction since the guava, passion fruit & Rastafarian-infused rum I made a couple years back.

    1. prommie

      I made Episcopalian-infused Rye one time. It tasted like Seagrams 7. Made a great old-fashioned.

  19. freakishlywrong

    They have to start yelling bout mosks again. Look for more on health care reform and messicuns as well. Yell about anything; as long as you don't have to discuss a solution.

  20. RedNM

    Cain is right. Building a mosque in Murfreesboro, TN, less than 900 miles from ground zero is the height of insensitivity. For those who don't take him seriously yet, Herman Cain has exceptional executive experience. He was a high-ranking manager at Godfathers, ran the exemplary Federal Reserve in Kansas and was chairman of Nabisco's Oreo Cookie Division.

      1. NorthStarSpanx

        Oh, there's that big huge faith in "exceptional executive experience" again. It sure worked for Sarah Palin.

        1. BlueMonkeh

          LOL…Palin's "executive experience" – as if being a mayor of some bumfuck town or half-term governor of some bum-fuck state is really "executive" experience. I've worked for middle-managers that were in charge of bigger employee populations than Snow-Snooki's constituency.

  21. gvvt

    Like it says in the Book of Peace and Love: "… thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them…

    "But thus shalt thou deal with them: ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire."

  22. James Michael Curley

    People! We are failing in our game when the actual quotes from the wingers are weirder then the posts.

    Lets snap up the snark, brighten the blaspheme, ramp up the rump; whatever that means.

  23. TanzbodenKoenig

    The first amendment can say whatever you want it to when you're an illiterate Teabilly. Murfreesboro ain't exactly the intellectual capital of Tennessee, and I say that as a native Tennesseean.

          1. KeepFnThatChicken

            srsly. well, sorta. during the day, anyway. I'm a commuterepersentin', for lack of a better phrase.

            for some reason, I was pegging you (NPI) to be east Tennessee-ish.

          2. elviouslyqueer

            Oh god no. I get nosebleeds if I cross the Tennessee River. We've been in Memphis for about a million years before recently decamping to The State That Skinny Forgot.

          3. TanzbodenKoenig

            God Memphis is the worst. I fled to the far side of the state a decade ago and never looked back. Knoxville may be full of inbred morons, but at least its a purty view

          4. Negropolis

            You know, I'm originally from Detroit, whose race relations feel like they aren't past the 1960's, at times. But, I've passed through Memphis a few times, and have kept sporadic note of its modern municipal politics, and their race relations feel like they are from the fucking 1860's. Mix that in with the humidity and mosquitos and I can't imagine a more miserable place. It may be in Tennessee, but it might as well be North Mississippi, at times.

            A great place to visit, and I really mean that, but that's about it.

  24. FakaktaSouth

    Today in circular-conserva-nonsensicum, "We have the "constitutional" legal protection to practice whatever religion in spite of what the state says, and I'm going to use that to fuck over these religious people by telling them what kind of religion they can practice."
    God damn they aren't even TRYING anymore.

    1. GOPCrusher

      Well, they already have themselves convinced that Freedom of Religion does not equate to Freedom From Religion.

  25. ThankYouJeebus

    I, for one, am grateful that religion has never influenced any laws here in US America.

    Now, how many days off will the Senate get for Christmas this year?

  26. SpurningBeer

    The separation-of-church-and-state canard© does not apply where the Sanctity of Marriage or Levitical abominations are concerned. All those heathens with their cotton-linen blend fabrics will rue the day they violated Jah's holy Rule of Law.

          1. neiltheblaze

            I think it's wonderful that the Catholic Church saw fit to give him cover. Their sense of morality, like Newt's, in entirely relative.

  27. Arken

    I guess herman is also against synagogues since Jews are supposed to follow Mosaic law.

    Of course, he probably thinks Mosaic Law is about tile specifications.

  28. smitallica

    Oh, if only the Founding Fathers had put some language somewhere in the Bill of Rights preventing any laws that promote an establishment of religion, thereby making this rightwing obsession with Sharia a complete non-issue and total waste of everyone's fucking time.

    1. MissTaken

      The Founding Fathers really fucked up by leaving that out of the Bill of Rights. Shame, really.

  29. iburl

    Separation of church and state? Tell that to Rick Perry. I sure would like to play poker, drink at a bar after 2 am, buy a beer before noon on a Sunday, etc., etc., etc.,

  30. DaSandman

    Hermie's religious freak out regarding Islam once again makes the brutal point:

    Everybody is somebody's nigger.

  31. PeaceWithHonor

    I'm sure Hermy has a whole raft of reasons why evangelical Christian sharia is okay.

    1. GOPCrusher

      Islamic sharia says that women can only go in to public while wearing a burka. Xtian sharia says women must stay home.

  32. Serolf_Divad

    I would totally vote for Cain if his victory meant that we could outlaw any church that tried to insert itself into American politics.

  33. National_Turkey

    It's nice to know that Mr. Cain sides with the "people in the community." It seems that the Muslims who live and work and worship in the area fail to meet either the "people" or "community" criteria.

    1. JustPixelz

      Kinda reminds me of when the "people in the community" put up those "whites only" signs. And could afford a whole separate school system to keep the races apart. Because of the Bible, they said.

      The way I understand it, the Constitution with its "equal protection" clauses overruled the people in the community. Thus America became Hell.

      1. genxr

        Haley Barbour's White Citizens Council kept the KKK out and voluntarily integrated blacks into their society in 1997. So don't call them racist!

  34. philpjfry

    Why not give a speech with just fear mongering buzz words. Ladies and gentlemen,
    Muslims, Sharia Law, Death Panel, Health Care Rationing, Gay Marriage, raising taxes on the rich. Thank you and good night.

    1. GOPCrusher

      Heard the Demon Spawn, Liz Cheney, say yesterday that 1.4 trillion of spending could be cut immediately, just by repealing Obamacare.

  35. Terry

    At the next GOP debate, the moderator should ask each candidate to define sharia law and a specific example of how it's been applied in American courts.

    1. BlueMonkeh

      Judges that whip out their bible to impose sentencing?

      Oh, right, that's the "GOOD" kind of religious interference.

    2. Rotundo_

      Now that would be funny: Imagine if they asked any of them anything that required an honest, non jingoistic load of shit reply. The choking sounds would be heard for miles and miles.

  36. widestanceroman

    I don't care what these people do behind church doors, I just don't want it being paraded on the street or taught to my kids or given any special rights.

    1. V572 der Plaatz

      That's what Pope Ratzi says too: just leave us alone and everything'll be fine. Now, send me a few altar boys.

      1. widestanceroman

        Oh, thanks, I forgot to add, 'but, I do care what the church is doing behind my kids.'

        1. BlueMonkeh

          …or to my kids behinds.

          Bennie the Rat – head of one of the most corrupt global corporations evah.

  37. starfanglednut

    Dear Herman,

    Here is a better way to pander to the baggers:

    Free triple cheese, 3 meats pizza with a cheese stuffed crust and ranch dressing dipping sauce, delivered, for all.


  38. LiveToServeYa

    Oh, Herman, your fight isn't really with Barack Obama, it's with Muhammad Ali. Good luck, sucker.

  39. KeepFnThatChicken

    I'm so glad that Mr. Cain thinks so little of his Constitution, that he's blindly ignoring it thanks to his (much larger) fear of Sharia.

    If there was any better way to painlessly explain how enlightened our founding fathers were about removing religion from government affairs, I'd be hard-pressed to find one.

  40. Respitetini


    Somewhere inside (deep, deep inside), I kinda hope jackholes like this recognize the horrible, horrible irony of their statements and say them for the lulz.

    But, nah. Probably not.

  41. CapeClod

    Just to stir the crazy pot a little bit, I'm going to send him a ham shaped like the ten commandments and then tell him to hurl it at the mosque.

  42. NorthStarSpanx

    "The people in the community know best. I happen to side with the people in the community.”

    Meanwhile, people in the community:

    Betty Walker Shoots At Puppy (named Cocaine) Instead Kills Husband, Robert Walker In Mississippi: Police

  43. MissTaken

    Herman's right! Can you imagine the horror when America is under Sharia Law and we can't get our cheese-stuffed crust pizzas with ham and sausage topping anymore??

  44. guangho

    "Islam is both a religion and set of laws". This makes it completely different from Christianity and Judaism, for true.

  45. Goonemeritus

    I guessing Herman didn’t spend a lot of time in his high school debating team. His argument is specious at best, all one would need do to show this is ask him his feelings about posting the Ten Commandments in a court room.

  46. widestanceroman

    I despise 99.9% of all religions but who could argue that the average Tennessian, male and female, would not look 5000% better in a full burqua?

    1. KeepFnThatChicken

      Harsh. And I lost five pounds hiking this weekend.


  47. BlueStateLibel

    Because it's not like Catholics or Jews have religious laws–oh wait, they do. But they are "bad" religions, too, so who cares.

  48. Tundra Grifter

    " Tennessee is practically Afghanistan, is how bad things have gotten.."

    Let's see here.

    Is Tennessee mountainous and landlocked? Check.

    Poor schools and general lack of education for all? Check.

    Poor economy that needs a serious boost? Check.

    History of violence, armed citizens, etc.? Check.

    Reactionary religious folks running around telling everybody else what to do? Check.

    Very serious drug problem with disasterous effects on society? Check.

    I've just got to go along with you on this one.

  49. DahBoner

    Reminds me of the English pilgrims. Almost as soon as they arrived in Mass for "religious freedom", they began to persecute Catholics, Quakers and Baptists, who all ran down to Tennessee..

    1. HistoriCat

      Where is that damn quote? I remember reading a quote from a letter (one of the Mathers maybe?) imploring a ship's captain to intercept Quakers coming to the New World and then suggesting that selling them in the slave markets would be a good outcome.

      1. mavenmaven

        I upfisted your comment, for the record, so obviously I can't be a racist. So there. But I really meant it by all his comments that he's the final arbitrator on what the law is, regardless of what the facts are.

        1. riverside68

          Snark alert, All understood.

          My comment intended to convey that I believe Mr. Cain would say any criticism of him is racist, no matter how reality based, but "We want our country back" is just good American's expressing their opinions.

          "Don't bother me with mere facts, my mind is made up."

  50. glamourdammerung

    “Our Constitution guarantees separation of church and state,” Cain explained.

    And Cain just lost the teabagger vote.

    1. riverside68

      Let me check the records . . . . . . .. . .

      I only went back 5,000 years, but so far the answer is, with a couple of minor exceptions, no.

  51. ttommyunger

    We used to ride up to Murph-Town from Fort Campbell on weekends. Hunting was good, but you had to catch 'em young, before they started losing their teeth and plumping up; you know, around l6-17 (which is legal in Tennessee, and Georgia, and Alabama, etc.etc.). Oh, and Herman Cain is nucking futs, and dumb as a box of rocks.

  52. __kth__

    One is almost nostalgic for the Bush years, when conservatives hoped to attract Arab-Americans and Hispanic-Americans into a big tent of homophobia, among other "family values". But despite the fairly obvious political upside, the good Christian Republicans couldn't overcome their revulsion at those people, so the marriage never took place.

    The fallback is to try to engineer some kind of fundie-liberal alliance of convenience, over the undeniable cultural conservatism of many Muslims. But that's pretty 2002; I'm not the biggest fan of the Dawkins/Hitchens/Harris tendency, but I don't see them or their followers being obtuse enough to enlist in a culture war regiment led by Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, or Herman Cain. Not in 2012.

  53. franco_pinyon

    Always the dilemma with a Republican presidential candidate: Is he/she really dumb enough to believe that, or just doing the old "Joseph Goebbels" thing?

  54. notreelyhelping

    You have to admit, the guy's living up to his destiny to end up an asterisk on a footnote within a parenthetical phrase of a chronological addendum.

  55. SilverTsunami

    I love to infuse extra virgin olive oil (only one virgin) with a mosque, some fresh garlic and lemon rind. Delicious on atrichokes!

  56. Chet Kincaid

    Just got back from a family reunion in Tennessee. I guess they are still going through Post-Kudzu Syndrome, the conditioned belief that anything foreign with a funny name will eventually get all over anything that ain't moving. Do YOU want to come home one day and find Sharia all over the barn and molesting your teenage daughter from head to toe?!

    I also note with amusement that the TV at our motel powered on to FOX News, and no matter which channel you watched last, when you turned on the TV again, you got FOX News. What was marked on-screen as the local PBS station was only snow and a nasty burst of static three times as loud as the other stations, also.

    1. zhubajie

      In Chinese medicine, kudzu is used for treating alcoholism; it reduces cravings, they say. Could be useful lots of places!

    2. zhubajie

      I once stayed at a motel in West Memphis, Arkansas, just across the river from Memphis. The TV was chained to the wall.

  57. widestanceroman

    I go back and forth between seeing this lunatic as the GOP's new minstrel act (like Steele but off-meds) and wondering when he'll just cold bare hands-kill a Muslim on stage.

  58. Doktor Zoom

    "Catholicism is both a religion and set of laws, Canon law. That is the difference between any one of our other traditional religions where it’s just about religious purposes. The people in the community don't want Romish influence in their community, and I stand with them."

    1. Chet Kincaid

      Exactly!! If we had a Romish president, would he be loyal to the Constitution, to the Pope, or to having the Secret Service sneak fresh strange into the White House every other night and mum's the word to Jackie?!

  59. Mort_Sinclair

    This man simply must be the GOP's nominee. And in a subversive subversion of the commonly subverted paradigm, he will choose Michele Bachmann as his running mate, win the election, and make Sarah Palin his Secretary of State. The he will place a few of his greying pubic hairs on both Bachmann's lunch pretzels as well as Palin's mooseburger roll and then surprise them both one day by coming to work with his pants down around his ankles. Film at eleven.

  60. Redhead

    I'm so GLAD that Islam is the only religion that bases laws on its religious teachings and that the teabaggers' and conservatives' positions on things like abortion and gay marriage and birth control and prayer in schools and biology/evolution and what should be taught in schools and our country's international policies and relationships with other countries are based on sheer stupidity instead of their religious "ideas."

  61. GeoffPeterson

    The Bible isn't about laws? Funny how right-wing Christianists love to quote the Laws of Moses (particularly Leviticus 18:22-23) when it comes to arguing why homosexuality is wrong.

  62. a_pink_poodle

    Christian Dominionists have been combining church and state for centuries. Can we ban their churches please?

  63. rocktonsam

    the only question this idiot should be asking is whether or not I want extra cheese with that crappy pizza

  64. Come here a minute

    As the first amendment/commandment says, you shall have no other god but a crazy black man.

  65. songstar63

    Politics and religion are NOT TO BE CONSIDERED ALIKE. WAke up and read your lessons!

  66. neiltheblaze

    So Herman Cain thinks he can get the Klan / Bircher vote. That's one First Class delusion he's got there.

  67. Negropolis

    Yeah, and Herman Cain can fuck off for all I care. These fuckers are irony-resistant, it seems. A black man saying that the Constitution doesn't protect a Muslim's right to practice his or her religion in a house of worship? Yeah, fuck off. If the Christians get to practice their crazy shit, it's only fair (and it's only legal, most important) that the Muslims get to practice their wacky shit, too.

    Suck my salty, chocolate balls, Herr Cain.

  68. Negropolis

    the Bible, that book about dinosaurs.

    Kirsten, my dear, the PC term is "Jesus-horses". Dinosaurs is the pagan/science word.

  69. V572 der Plaatz

    Ha ha, him too! What a nuanced and sophisticated entertainer ol’ Red was. Didja know he used to collect and paint pictures of sad clowns? How poignant is that?

  70. glamourdammerung

    I wonder if Michele Bachmann collects sad clown pictures in honor of her hero John Wayne Gacy?

  71. V572 der Plaatz

    And how ‘bout that Perry Como…that guy could craft a tune, huh? Hot-ziggety dog-diggety!

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