Salon’s Justin Elliott has some hawt new/old dirt on prancing Texas dingbat Rick Perry’s cozy ties with neoconfederate Rebel Flag types. The question with such revelations is, “Do they hurt Perry or help him?” Because in almost every case over the past forty years or so, a Republican presidential hopeful’s ties to fringe right and racist groups has helped, not hurt, in the primaries:
In 2008, Perry was featured in the pages of the Confederate Veteran, the magazine of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. He is pictured presenting a state flag that had flown over the capitol building to Billy Ford, a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans camp in Corsicana, Texas. That group’s mission statement says it exists “to preserve the memory of the Confederate soldier, and to help to spread the truth of the cause for which he fought.” (Click the image for full size.)
[Salon]
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Where's General Sherman now that we need him? Though Jeebus seems to be doing a good job burning the place down now.
The Civil War was an act of treason. You lost, get the hell over it.
But Rick Perry loves treason, so much so that he committed it just last week.
Too bad he didn't show some honor and commit 切腹.
It was treason then, but if any of these ass-clowns want to secede now, I'm all "bye bye, we're really gonna miss you, keep in touch".
Personally, I'm all "bye-bye, hope you drown in a barrel of your own piss, fuck off now!"
In Indian Mutiny, roughly the same years, all prisoners were strapped over the mouths of cannons and blown to bits. Dixie Rebs got off easy.
It's not hate, it's heritage.
And by heritage, they mean a heritage of having the right to own black people.
What I love about those dumbass bumper stickers is the idea that that Venn Diagram has no overlapping parts. It is Hate AND Heritage. And it is because of the Hate part that you shouldn't fly it on the back of your 1988 F-150.
As a rule, if you have to say, "It's not hate," or "I'm not a racist," then the opposite is true.
Even if some of your best friends are Messican or Black?
Especially then.
That's the *other* tell.
And also the proud heritage of impregnating the the hawt slaves, for more slave-baby makin'.
/snark_off/
It's extremely pathetic when you have to reach back 150 years to slavers to feel pride about your miserable toothless hillbilly life.
Aren't whites in the minority in Texas now?
Well no, unless you let everyone out of jail.
I think so. When I was there, seemed to me that there were more Hispanic / Latino / Whatever people in the stores and other places. Course, I was in San Antonio: maybe that has something to do with it.
Hell, half our billboards are in Spanish down here.
You're in Tejas, Baldar? But you seem so…human.
In the belly of the beast, I am. Fightin' the power.
Probably a lot of Hispanics consider themselves "blanco".
Depends on whether you measure by weight or volume.
Mexico is getting fairly fat, too. Second fattest in the world, after U.S.
Is England/United Kingdom (don't know if they're counting the whole thing, for these purposes) third?
Third place will go to the next largest consumers of GMO, CAFO, HFCS.
The South Shall Rise Again!
…to get the clicker and a bag of "Family Size" Cheetos.
It will then return to the Lazy Boy to watch Fox News and complain about the browns.
“to preserve the memory of the Confederate soldier, and to help to spread the truth of the cause for which he fought.”
That's what Texas school books are fer! Our Children is learnin'!
I thought that was "ARE Children."
The south shall be stupid again…and again…and again…and again…and ag…
forever and ever amen.
(with apologies to Randy Travis)
Cracker is as cracker does.
But Ricky has nice hair.
That's why they put him in charge.
/Idiocracy
If they were really Sons of Confederate Veterans wouldn't they be at least 110 years old?
Rick Perry, a Northern man don't need him 'round anyhow.
Now just because Rick Perry's a secessionist with a Confederacy fetish doesn't mean he'd be a bad leader of the nation he despises and wants to leave. Why, we elect leaders who are anti-government all the time. In fact, the very last governor of Texas who became president promised that government couldn't help anybody, and he went on to prove it. So how bad could it be, really?
I don't know. That last governor of Texas who became president proved that government could very helpful to Halliburton, KBR, Wall Street and assorted other thieves.
But remember, when the money is going to the corps and richies. it's job creation, not welfare.
Funny, he was willing to bet $3 trillion that the u.s. government could help the Iraqi people.
Well, it certainly helped the population problem. Also, sectarian violence. It's hard to be violent against people who no longer live in your neighbourhood due to ethnic cleansing.
Oh Lordy, when oh when will this wo-ar uf Nourthwern agresshun end? The messicans aren't picken my cotton, so I needs the niggras back out in my fields.
Nobody will be picking the cotton, soon enough, as anthropogenic climate change will hasten ever greater weevil swarms.
I reckon we'll all be having weevils for supper, then.
Added protein to the Hobo beans. Win/win
I, for one, welcome our multiple appendaged overlords.
Yup, he's a racist.
The Civil War was about states' rights, as anyone with a southern accent will tell you. They almost never go on to say that it was about states' rights to treat human beings like draft animals.
And it was also about money: the market value of slaves in the slave states before the Civil War was actually greater than the value of all the nation's industries, real estate, railroads, etc. They wouldn't give it up without a fight.
So taking away their slaves would be a tax on the job creators?
Let's see: eviscerate or "privatize" Soshecurity, Medicare, and Medicaid; leave the minimum wage at below-subsistence levels for many years; de-fund OSHA; destroy manufacturing by flooding the market with cheap Chinese crap; no daycare and minimally funded public education — yep, we're doing our best to make "having a job" be more and more like "being a slave." Of course you'd be free to leave that job, if there were another you could go to. But, "regrettably" (heh-heh), not right now.
"greater than the value of all the nation's industries"
For all the good it did them when the North used their puny factories to make railroads, cannons and cartridges.
The damn Yankees wanted to regulate small (sole proprietorship) businesses.
Nearly all wars are about money!
You are correct. Maybe sometime before money was invented there was a war that wasn’t. But it would’ve been about fishing rights or bushel baskets of barley or some other medium of exchange in any case.We’re the human beings. War is what we do.
All creatures compete for resources. Although few are able to act in packs to the extent that humans do. Also,most creatures break off such competition when one party either submits or has clearly lost the battle. I believe humans are one of the very very few species that will continue the battle unto the utter destruction of the opponent and all their family, tribe, allies, and habitat.
You're making (forgive me if I oversimplify) the evolutionary biological argument that war is ape behavior scaled up to human intelligence. But war among humans is much more complex, organized, structured and institutional. Animals don't build munitions factories, organize and feed standing armies, or plan “strategic” attacks on theor enemies' steel mills and refineries. We do.
Someone explain to Perry that they don't mean the kind of slavery he's used to, with leather chaps and fuzzy handcuffs.
Needs more Marcus Bachmannn.
Hey now — Rick Perry doesn't love all racists. Them danged skinheads, you can't run your fingers through their hair!
How about their beards?
Or asshole hairs?
You mean like Bachmann's beard, right?
You mean Michele, right?
Yes.
Back hair on the Bears?
It's not hate, some of my best friends are black – I just prefer the 1800s, yeeehah!.
What would the Founding Fathers think? Because every Texican knows that's the only important measure to consider. Because all of the Founding Fathers thought exactly the same thing, much like Texans.
It's nice to see the treasonous groups are accepting the ghey now.
Let the Eagle (belt-buckle) Soar!
It doesn't matter; with the media treating Perry as a credible candidate despite advocating the possibility of Texas seceding again, we could find out that he's a current full-fledged member of the KKK and they'd still give him good coverage.
Trump got favourable coverage for awhile, too.
I'll say it again: it's going to be Romney. It's always been going to be Romney. He's the next one.
Romney-Cornyn 2012.
Why Cornyn? For the Suthun vote?
Any black children, Strom Thurmond style?
Free Bird!!!
In some parts of Texas it's better to be seen as a racist than gay…sad but true.
And in most parts of Oklahoma.
What about racist AND gay? Not that I'm thinking of any particular governors or potential presidential candidates here.
Well, there has been a monument to the Confederacy on the grounds of the Texas capitol building since 1903. The largest, most centrally placed monument. The incription on it is pure Teabag dogma: DIED
FOR STATES RIGHTS GUARANTEED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION THE PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH, ANIMATED BY THE SPIRIT OF 1776, TO PRESERVE THEIR RIGHTS, WITHDREW FROM THE FEDERAL COMPACT IN 1861. THE NORTH RESORTED TO COERCION.
THE SOUTH, AGAINST OVERWHELMING NUMBERS AND RESOURCES,
FOUGHT UNTIL EXHAUSTED.
DURING THE WAR THERE WERE TWENTY TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN ENGAGEMENTS.
IN EIGHTEEN HUNDRED AND EIGHTY TWO OF THESE, AT LEAST ONE REGIMENT TOOK PART.
NUMBER OF MEN ENLISTED:
CONFEDERATE ARMIES 600,000; FEDERAL ARMIES 2,859,132
LOSSES FROM ALL CAUSES:
CONFEDERATE, 437,000; FEDERAL, 485,216
That certainly sounds like an accurate account.
They stole it from Bruce Catton. Or was it Harry Turtledove?
No, if it were Harry Turtledove there would have been an alien invasion to cause both sides to reunite and repel the invader.
They were damn good at killin, jes lahk naow.
The forgot to mention what that states' right (it was only one) the traitors dies to preserve was; funny that.
More Blues than Grays died, so the Souf won, right?
So the North lost 17% of all their troops, whereas the South lost 73%.
Clearly this demonstrates the South's superior…dying skills. RISE AGAIN, YEEHAW!
From the 1950s until Rick the Dick came along, this monument was considered a quaint artifact of the old, racist, Confederate Texas by about, oh, mebbe 99% of the people passing the thing. Now its nonsense sentiments are being aired again, courtesy of a certain aged Australian billionaire. I believe the Repug motto should be, "Recycling yesterday's bad ideas for a worse tomorrow."
While I have no reason to believe that the statistics in this gem are any more accurate than the historical summary, I will stipulate that if the statistics are correct:
We took out more than 2/3 of the fucking traitors??? YEE fucking HAW!!!!
"Withdrew from the federal compact"
Good god if that's ever a euphemism of a phrase. How about "violently violated the Constitution"?
Oh, for fucks' sake. Fuck Rick Perry and the horse he rode in on.
Marcus? Is that you?
Um.
Marcus? (I'm so ashamed…I have no idea what the reference is, and the Googles do nothing)
Mr. Michele Bachmann.
Marcus O Rly ious.
Ah, OK. I was not aware he was into horses, you see, though of course, few things surprise me any more. Not that Google was a complete waste; I learned that there was an episode of Will & Grace titled "…And the Horse He Rode In On, " featuring Harry Connick Jr. as "Dr. Leo Markus," so now I know that.
Now, now. That's his fuckin-horse, ya' hear? No one gets to fuck her but Perry, see?
Somewhere in Texas, a .38 Special tribute band is missing its lead singer.
somebody has to stand up for beleaguered southern white men. certainly, they can't do it for themselves.
They can only stand up if it's to reach that last bag of Cheetos on the top shelf of the pantry.
From the Salon article…this gets better and better…
A 1998 voting guide published by a leading neo-Confederate group and obtained by Salon not only endorses Perry for lieutenant governor but also describes him as "a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans." Perry's office did not respond to a request for comment about the governor's possible membership in the Sons of Confederate Veterans…Ray Wainner, Texas division adjutant at the Sons of Confederate Veterans, told me that Perry's name did not appear in the group's membership records — but that they only go back to 2001. The national office of the Sons of Confederate Veterans did not immediately respond to a request for comment. And Perry's office did not respond to a request for comment.
Looks like Michele and Saint Sarah have some competition now…
If he wins the primary, I'm sure things will be spun just so and he'll rake in campaign contributions from unions and gay rights groups before the election is over.
Working title for the Rick Perry tribute band: The Texas School Book Suppositories
That's what he sticks up his ass
Wow, this really surprises the fuck out of me.
i'm fixin' to buy me a new nigra, gawd dammned lawn needs a mowin'
"to preserve the memory of the Confederate soldier, and to help to spread the truth of the cause for which he fought."
That cause being, to enlist the poor and ignorant to fight on behalf of the rich and propertied.
In other words, the goal of the modern Republican party. Sounds like Rick Perry knows what he's doing.
true, and it is a pity to all of those Confederate foot soldiers,, most of them never had any slave,,, but they're just being used as cannon fodder by the rich plantation owner
well just like teabaggers being used by corporate elites nowadays
Rick and Sarah sittin' in a tree,
F – U – C – K – I – N – G.
Only if Sarah is using the strap-on.
That goes without saying.
It's a miniature hockey-stick.
The puck you say!
I suppose that, if Texas allowed the ownership of black men, Governor Perry wouldn't be so eager to execute so many of them.
to preserve the memory of the Confederate soldier, and to help to spread the truth of the cause for which he fought.”
I'm guessing that cause is that black people were better off under slavery than they are now, and that Japan was better off before they started having sex with sun gods.
I heard that sun god on Rachel. That's where I saw it, wasn't it? I got up so fucking early yesterday to do some gardening before the temp hit 110F that I was pretty punchy last night.
I thought that clown was using a metapher (as that bitch Marsha Blackburn pronounced it) or was illustrating a sermon. Which would be weird enough in itself. But no! It was real.
You know what a great fundraiser to help save the globe from climate change? Trick Hagee and Robertson to an event where they can explain the world to a teevee audience. Then get 3 wonkette jrs, two dressed as robots and one as whatever the juniors are, to sit in front of the playback.
Make it pay-per-view on Current.
The people from NOLA were "much better off" in the Houston AstroDome, so there's that.
I wish there was a African American group called Sons of Confederate Slaves that showed up at all of the events these douche nozzles have, just to drive the point home.
You just gave ACORN an idea for how to re-brand itself.
That would certainly give those historical reenactments a different feel.
I'm sure there's some organization for descendants of Black Union vets, Buffalo Soldiers, etc.
Like any black person wants to remember those times for any reason whatsoever.
Or even a group to claim a bit of the Constitution itself, The Sons of Thomas Jefferson.
May I suggest a bill in Congress authorizing these?
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I’m not much for collective guilt but these mouth breathers are leaning into it. I know it will probably help with his base in the south but that’s it. I say let him fly the stars and bars at every campaign appearance and lets see who he motivates. I know when I travel to any of the former confederate states on business I still pack an old carpet bag, nostalgia goes both ways.
“to preserve the memory of the Confederate soldier, and to help to spread the truth of the cause for which he fought.”
I somehow doubt they are telling folks it was about owning black people.
Depends on whether you're the "right" kind of folks.
Over a million citizens killed…maybe Abe could have tried something else less aggressive? A Bake Sale? That was killing off a whole lot of American revolutionary war heroes and their offspring. Instead of a Lose/Lose…maybe something more like a Win/Win.
Civil Wars generally suck. Wonder why so many are afraid of Perry…how much more bankrupt and foreign controlled can a country get in just 3 years???
Really, just fuck off and die, already.
Ohhhhh pissy lil Bot. So angry that he can not even identify why. Duh!
Sizzle Pop Snap…Neurosis maybe. Or did you just lose your job at the TSA? Nevermind that I suggest that there was a choice that could have explored smarter solutions to the Civil War….and even to your suggested world war insanity. Rather than quickly igniting and murdering millions. Like you just did.
Your uncontrolled emotions and angered insanity clearly reminds me of why Bonobos don't drive cars.
Sons of Confederate Victimhood is more like it.
Maybe if you had something to be proud of, you wouldn't feel the need to act like such dicks all the time. Just sayin'.
The worst of it, Southern music and literature are first rate, but that's not what the Dixie Pixie boast about.
Moreover, high-school football sucks.
The truth is the confederates were Royalists. The very definition of American Patriotism. *cough*
Sure, the Sons of Confederate Veterans are delusional and living in a dream world where their ancestors were all landed aristocracy or gallant war heroes, instead of poor, white cannon fodder, but I hesitate to call them a fringe group. In the South, at least.
As far as I'm concerned, all those glorious Confederate generals, the brave farm boy Rebel soldiers, and all their beloved southern belles burn in hell with the Nazis.
Care to expound on that, chief? The truth? Yeah, honestly, you idiots couldn't handle the truth. In Texas, you have "double" the truth. Hell, the Mexicans couldn't even deal with you because of your hard-on for your "peculiar institution."
Anger Mangement suggested. Emotional control is a good thing. Maybe you should try it.
With humour, grace, and some motherfuckin' sharp teef.
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