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the good old daysRuh-roh, House lawmakers have found time in their busy day avoiding debt talks to scold Obama for sending a few shiny war toys over to Libya, where NATO is still busy bombing Dictator Death for whatever reason that makes him worse than the guy killing all the Syrians. Oil, probably? Yeah, so quit doing that, you’re wasting all our money, the House cried to Obama by a vote of 295-123. It’s been too long (3 months), and you’ve spent all this money ($716 million)! And what’s your problem with dictators, anyway? The Libyans didn’t ask you to come over and help them install a democracy might have asked you to help them overthrow their murderous dictator and his horrible sons to establish a democracy, but whatever, they are not freedom-loving Muslims they’re freedom-loving Muslims that House lawmakers don’t care about.

Here is something about the Iraq war: it cost over $3 trillion. The U.S. deficit hovers just under $15 trillion, so you might say, if you liked math, that this is the equivalent of somewhere around one-fifth of the current U.S. debt!

From McClatchy:

They were thwarted by an unusual combination of anti-war Democrats, as well as most Republicans, who argued that the three-month old mission has become too murky and too costly. 70 Democrats joined 225 Republicans to vote against the measure.

Haha, “too murky and too costly.” Is that possibly the most cynical thing any lawmaker could ever surmise about the Libyan conflict if that lawmaker also voted for the Iraq war? No, probably you would have to add in some glib comments about how it is not the job of the United States to fight someone’s battle for democracy, or whatever. Meanwhile, almost half of the world’s conflict refugees are people who have been displaced by American wars. [McClatchy]

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  • DaSandman

    The gravest threat to American democracy, what shreds actually remain, is the Republican party.

  • Fare la Volpe

    It's no fun when the bitch likes it.

    • Crank_Tango

      also, it ain't no fun if the homies can't have none.

    • tessiee

      In the original, non-Madonna version of "Swept Away", there is this never-to-be-forgotten exchange:
      Snotty girl: Sodomize me! Sodomize me now!
      *SLAP!*
      Hot guy: NEVER WHEN YOU ASK!!

    • user-of-owls

      We're back to Late Night Shots again?

  • HobbesEvilTwin

    almost half of the world’s conflict refugees are people who have been displaced by American wars.

    no snark, just a lot of drinking.

    • hooray4anything

      Somebody's gotta replace all the Mexican's who can no longer get jobs picking our fruit

    • user-of-owls

      I'm with you. I mean, we're the USofA, we can do better than half!

    • lumpenprole

      Only half? In the name of "our way of life" send in the drones!

  • memzilla

    "USA – Fighting for Freedom and Democracy™ *!"

    (*Some restrictions may apply. Offer not valid after curfew in Sector R or N. May cause drowsiness. Do not operate heavy political machinery while using. Contact the American Petroleum Institute for details.)

    • ** If your dictator is cooperating with Exxon and friends, offer may not apply.
      ~

      • SorosBot

        ***If your democratically elected President is not cooperating with American corporate interests, we may call him a dictator and the offer may still apply even though it seems inapplicable.

    • lumpenprole

      NOTE: offer may be void if other customers (narcotics entrepreneurs, multi-national corporations, the police, expatriate communities in the US, etc…) have already purchased "USA -Fighting for Freedom and Democracy™ *!" Proprietary information regarding these customers will not be divulged at the date of sale nor acknowledged in the future.

  • NorthStarSpanx

    "scold Obama for sending a few shiny war toys over to Libya,"

    Will no one remember the Iran Contra Scandal? At least patsy Ollie North NEVER got elected to office for that one. I think G. Gordon Liddy got a more lucrative career out of being a President's Fall Guy. Where's Scooter Libby's radio program?

  • nounverb911

    Now if we just seized the oil fields, that would be a different story.

  • ganmerlad

    I am fed up with republican hypocrisy! (I just really need to type that and put it out on the inter-nets.)

    • Needs more Samuel Jackson snakerage.

      • ganmerlad

        I am way too frustrated to pull out my inner Samuel Jackson.

        • FNMA

          At moments like this, I like to get in touch with my inner Frank Booth and say, Fuck you, you fucking fucks.

          There.

          I feel better.

          • ganmerlad

            Screaming "Fuck you, you fucking fucks" really did help. Thanks!

        • IM SICK OF THESE MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS IN THE MOTHERFUCKING HOUSE!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

          *Actually, I'm sick of them everywhere. But hey, why not take this mistaken almost sensible decision and apply it to all of our bullshit wars? Which, as Katie knows, is all of them. Also too.

          • ganmerlad

            I AM most pissed at the house republicans so that works for me…Mother fucking snakes in the motherfucking house.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      A Google search on "republican hypocrisy" returns 195,000 hits.
      It would appear that a few other people have noticed.

      • ganmerlad

        That isn't enough in google terms. I probably have to type "fuck" one more time to do the trick. Now look….

      • GOPCrusher

        Sadly, not enough. The streets are not littered with their carcasses, yet.

  • poncho_pilot

    arse what?

    • Steverino247

      I said, "Arse," Nick! Clean out yer ears, mate!

      • LiveToServeYa

        Arsehole of Democracy

  • fuflans

    jammakin would have single handedly crashed a plane over libya if he was president.

  • HempDogbane

    Can’t we paint some schools over there or something?

  • Warpde

    Money? Money? We don't need no stinki'n money.
    We've got the Chinese.

    Oh yeah. Before I forget. Anyone know how I can get a few of those shiny U.S. made war toys?
    The ones from China suck.

  • widestanceroman

    But, aren't we defending democracy–over there–so we don't have to defend it here?

    • Nothingisamiss

      win.

    • tessiee

      My impression was that we were defending democracy over there so we wouldn't have to *practice* it over here (see also Coleman, Norm; Schwartzemuscle, Arnold; Bush v. Gore), but yours is very good, too.

  • fuflans

    today we are all Saif Gaddafi.

  • nounverb911

    Haha, “too murky and too costly.”
    Haven't we been saying that about Cheney for years now?

    • tessiee

      Also about my prescriptions.

  • edgydrifter

    CUT N RUN!! CUT N RUN!!!

  • OC_Surf_Serf

    if only Barry could of put Gaddafi in a spiderhole…

    • Grief_Lessons

      …then pull him out. Then bury his body in the Arabian Sea off the side of an aircraft carrier.

    • Callyson

      I'd settle for Barry putting Boneheader in a spiderhole…

    • lumpenprole

      It would be pretty funny if Barry nailed him in three months and installed a NPR approved regime for under a billion before Summer's over. The man does get results from this shit factory.

    • lumpenprole

      It would be pretty funny if Barry nailed him in three months and installed a NPR approved regime for under a billion. The man does get results out of this shit factory.

  • fuflans

    shorter house to obama: oh no you di'int.

  • MissTaken

    I guess so much for the whole "For The Troops" thing the GOP used to like so much.

    • SorosBot

      It seems the "No blood for Monica!" wing of the Republican party is back in charge.

      Oh well, it's not like preventing Clinton from going after that bin Laden guy had any real consequences…

      • MissTaken

        Oh come on, we all know that the targeted bombings of Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 was nothing more than "swatting flies". I know this because Condi Rice told me!

    • Lascauxcaveman

      I guess so much for the whole "For The Troops" thing the GOP used to like so much.

      I think you've stumbled on the problem, here. Since there is very little chance of thousands of American soldiers dying in this Libyan thing, then of course the Republicans hate it.

      • Negropolis

        OUCH!

  • arihaya

    ah fuck if i were president i will turn Lockheed Martin into a potato chips factory

    or perhaps fried peanut

  • To show he's serious about saving monies, could Hopey have the US Printing Office print the Congressional Record on toilet paper to be used throughout all Federal buildings?

  • Radiotherapy®

    So let me get this straight. The Repubs are defunding the Troops?
    Why do they hate the troops?

    • Callyson

      They have to kill the troops to save them.

      • ftw

      • Negropolis

        Okay, time to close up shop. That just broke the internetz.

    • BTWBFDIMHO

      Cindy, I presume?

    • Cicada

      They didn't vote to defund. They voted to tell Obama they're vewy, vewy mad at him, then followed that up by voting to fund the horrible, vewy bad thing they just finished denouncing.

      USA! USA! USA!

  • horsedreamer_1

    Praises for the return of the "war-gabbin' photoshop".

    • BTWBFDIMHO

      Well, ask our Wonketterian landlords to allow pic uploads again.

  • Ducksworthy

    So this is costing how much in Iraq dollars per minute, between 5 and 10?

  • No kosher ink? But what about all the pork he's been collecting for his district?

  • If I'm reading this right we could solve our immigration problems by not blowing shit up. Does John McCain know about this?

  • Yep. Republicans are hypocrites, no two ways about it.

    But does anyone care to explain why Bahrain gets to murder their democracy-seekers (with our weapons and support) while Libya does not?

    Imissopus? Anyone?

    It's almost the weekend, might as well get this flamewar lit.

    USA! USA! USA!
    ~

    • nounverb911

      OIL!

      • I'm delighted that you've joined the libunatic boycott of all products and energy produced from petroleum! Otherwise, you'd be a complete hypocrite.

    • HistoriCat

      Well, it's not a good reason but I think the leaders in Bahrain had enough sense not to boast about crushing their people. Ghaddafi shot his mouth off about how he was going to kill the Libyan people.

      It's not the killing that gets you into trouble, it's the taunting.

      • tessiee

        That actually doesn't seem too unfair to me. I mean, governments crush their people. It's what they do, right?
        But no need to be a dick about it.

    • finallyhappy

      And Syria?- although they are close enough to Israel to be able to use the resident Palestinians in Syria to distract the occasional media outlet.

    • We can't agree on how to pronounce "Bahrain"?

      • GOPCrusher

        It's easier than Qatar.

    • Golly, that is a tempting offer. What to do? Snark? Be serious? I could…

      a) Say that Greenwald is a smarmy absolutist who substitutes screaming and name-calling for measured thinking, and who I wouldn't trust if he told me the sky was blue (that would be the snark).

      b) Suggest that no two of these Arab nations are exactly the same, so there is not a one-size-fits-all solution? (For an example of how dangerous that thinking can be, see our Cold War-era policies on containing the spread of Communism, predicated on the notion that it was a monolithic ideology and not accounting for the nationalistic differences between China and the USSR.) (That would be serious.)

      (Actually I just thought of an example. I don't know enough about Bahrain, but let's take Syria, which people have brought up, and which is something of a client state of Iran, so bombing Assad's troops could be seen as starting a proxy war, which I presume we could all agree would be bad, not to mention possibly driving even more refugees across the border of our NATO ally Turkey, which is something the Turks are already pissed enough at the Syrians about, but could maybe get more pissed if the refugee problem was perceived as being created by Westerners.)

      c) Suggest combing through Juan Cole's archives for some measured and thoughtful commentary on Libya (As opposed to what I'm betting you'd get from Glenzilla – here, I'll even get you started.) (Again, serious.)

      d) Remind myself that the other night I took the time to craft a long-ass response to you, said response containing arguments backed up with examples, and your response 1) ignored most of it, including the parts where I agreed with you, 2) accused me of creating a straw man argument in one passage without actually saying why you considered that particular passage to be a straw man, 3) brought up the Simpson-Bowles Commission (??? Seriously, I've re-read that part half a dozen times and still can't figure out what Simpson-Bowles has to do with it), 4) finally dismissed me with the condescending statement "You have no idea what's going on, do you?", after I had just taken the time to engage you (and sometimes agree with you!) on arguments about issues that you had brought up in your response to my initial post even though said issues had nothing whatsoever to do with my original post, which was all about setting the record straight on Obama's position on Afghanistan during the '08 campaign, leading me to conclude that your arguments are so ideologically based that you're pretty much uninterested in hearing anything that falls outside the construction of HERP DERP OBUMMER'S A SELL-OUT!, which brings to mind the famous Barney-Frank-vs.-LaRouche-acolyte incident (dining room table, etc.), and thus I should just start enjoying this beautiful summer weekend in SoCal now, get off the goddamn Internet, and not waste my time and energy on you. (Both serious and snark.)

      (Though I'm going to take a moment to point the rest of the Wonkettariat to the original exchange if anyone wants to read through and perhaps understand what I'm talking about)

      e) All of the above

      So flame away, 'cause I am done here.

    • PristineODummy

      Because the Bahrain Ambassador to the UN did not specifically request the UN Security Council's intervention?

    • lumpenprole

      The Saudis are paying for it. We can't do shit if we wanted to. We don't, really.

    • Negropolis

      'Cause we have troops based in Bahrain? Because Bahrain is a vestigial tail of Saudi Arabia, our ally? Because Bahrain didn't publically state it was going to level an entire city and shoot people in their closets?

      Really, though, Bahrain seems like a case where we could seriously use our leverage to exact some positive change for its people. Meh. Syria is a total lost cause. There is absolutely no good way to fix that. So long as Israel doesn't want Assad gone, he's not going to be gone.

      BTW, you win the Grand Prig award for using a post to pick a fight with a specific poster and then stating you're trying to start a flamewar.

      The troll is strong in this one.

    • Cicada

      I like Wonkette. I don't like you using it to try to start some bullshit with a specific poster. I come here to get away from the stupid, sanctimonious, and completely pointless scab picking sessions that happen everywhere else.

      DON'T SHIT IN THE FUCKING SANDBOX.

    • I took the time to craft a long-ass response to you…

      True. In fact you crafted several crapstorms of words.

      Your original comment on Wonkette,Jr.'s post: "It's one thing to vote for him while hoping he would change his mind after he was inaugurated, but it's quite another to scream about him being a traitor to the liberal cause when it's you who was not paying attention."

      That's a strawman argument.

      Wonkette Jr. was criticizing the policy, and mentioned in the post, "Lately, people have been telling us that he never said anything of the sort". The tipoff that it was policy criticism: but now that Obama has been president for almost twelve years three years.

      I'll add that Obama did run to Hillary's left in regards to international affairs (it's one of the reasons I voted for him) and we are now involved in more conflicts than just Iraq and Afghanistan (Libya and Yemen).

      From part 1 of your response to my comment:

      My entire rant below was an (I thought obvious) argument against the idealistic, pie-in-the-sky, a-unicorn-in-every-yard hosannas many on the left…

      This is not a straw man argument, so I'll retract the charge. It’s simple invective.

      I wasn't addressing the merits of his policy. You're not even really addressing my argument here…

      That's wrong. I said I agreed that Obama said what you claimed and linked. So if that's all you wanted, go away, we're done. In fact you could have just reread Wonkette Jr's post and deleted your original comment, rather than have that argument you claim to hate having yet again.

      I am criticizing the policy: it's not working, and it's bad politics to claim G.W. Bush's abject failure in Afghanistan as your own (and by extension, the Democratic party's). It's also bad politics to ask people at home to sacrifice while pursuing a war that's been going on for over a decade with no end in sight. I don’t’ accept “Obama said this back in 2008” or “you knew he was a conservative Democrat when you voted for him” as some kind of Teflon shield for failing to make good decisions now.

      It's simplistic to imply that because the Republican Party is so conservative, the Dems must be liberal, and we really need to get away from always thinking in terms of this dichotomy. I don't know what the solution is to drag the party further left, or if it's even possible, but the first step probably involves accepting this.

      This makes no sense. Both parties have moved to the right in the last few decades. The policies they've adopted have benefited the wealthy few only, and this is hurting the Democratic party badly now. The first step is pointing it out, and fighting for better policies. The wrong thing is telling people who've been right over the years to shut up, something you have a history of doing on this blog.

      Jesus Christ, you really want to come at me with all that other stuff that's completely unrelated to what I was talking about, just to prove some sort of point?

      What is this complaint about? No one was twisting your arm to take the other side. If all you wanted to do was make the point that Obama said Afghanistan was the good war and he would ramp up our efforts there, then I already agreed. But I am saying that it's bad policy and bad politics. And I have more examples! Again, if you only wanted to make a point about something Obama said in 2008, then you shouldn’t drag diatribe like this “scream about him being a traitor to the liberal cause” into it, not to mention "the idealistic, pie-in-the-sky, a-unicorn-in-every-yard hosannas many on the left". Liberals have been right about every major policy issue for the last three decades. They’re ignored in D.C. and in the media because both are owned by our plutocrats.

    • Regarding the labor issue, it's not only in Wisconsin that unions are being attacked. Obama and the national Dems are silent on this, and I think it's 1) a mistake, and 2) because they're beholden to big corporations that don't like organized labor. Bad policy, bad politics.

      Also my personal opinion is that people who throw around the terms DINO or RINO are claiming for themselves a mantle of ideological purity that actually fucks up a republican system like ours that requires compromises to get anything done. And every day the news headlines bear me out on that last part.

      A mantle of ideological purity? I call it pointing out that the policies being pursued by both parties at the national level aren't working…at least for most of us. You don't like the term, "DINO"? I don't like the term neoliberal, because there's nothing liberal about it. How about 'corporate whore'? It's all the same thing. Every day the news headlines show that what Obama has been doing isn’t working, and his critics on the left were correct. Not like you.

      I'll quote Senator Dick Durbin, "And they (the banks) frankly own the place (Capitol Hill).". That's when it comes to legislation that affects banks. When it's legislation that affects insurance companies, they own the place. Etc. It's not a matter of compromises; the big corporations get what they want. Republicans make it a point of honor to accommodate them. Democrats are playing a dangerous game when they do the same thing, when the results of this are truly hitting the fan.

      Sure, let's all promise to sit out the process. It worked so well with the 2010 election. We're in no way more fucked now than we were a year ago.

      One, I'm said tell the Democrats if they want your vote they're going to have to do something for you. That is participating in the process. Two, this remark shows you don't get what happened in 2010, or what's happening now.

      2010: Unemployment was higher than in 2008, the banks were bailed out, but people were still losing their homes. Result: Huge majority in the Senate down to a few seats, huge majority in the House turned into a small minority.

      Now: see what happened in 2010.

      2012: Yes, the Republicans pick will come from a herd of mental and/or moral midgets, and Obama has incumbency and the giant pile of cash he's raising from his friends, our biggest corporations. But he's still not doing anything for the people who vote for Democrats, and those people may well be even worse off come fall 2012 (when the Democrats have 21 seats in the Senate at risk, versus just 10 for the Republicans). I see a debacle coming, and it is because of what Obama isn’t doing. To hell with deficit, he ought to be focusing on jobs. But the Administration line is that the stimulus was enough, and things are getting better. They’re playing right into Republican hands. Again.
      ~

    • BTW, you win the Grand Prig award for using a post to pick a fight with a specific poster and then stating you're trying to start a flamewar.

      Thanks, Negropolis. #winning!

      By the way, do you have a rollout date for your next new commenting rule and prize?

      The reason ‘Chortle’ was my response to “But hey, thanks for the lecture” is due to the long history of imissopus lectures on Wonkette. In fact, here’s a quiz for you:

      Who said this, and to whom?

      You haven't been here long. I can tell just in passing that you're a little too serious, here. You're had more than one too many judgemental comments, here. You better find some humor, my friend, or you're going to be miserable as hell, or more so than you already are.

      Hint.

      P.S. ‘Let’s get this flamewar lit’ was meant ironically, I think of the sparky2 threads as flamewars.
      ~

    • Now for Libya: OK, you said Glenn Greenwald is a smarmy absolutist who substitutes screaming and name-calling for measured thinking. Watch imissopus fling boulders from his glass Tah Mahal!

      If you don't like GG, here's a Washington Post link (June 10, 2011): in 2008, relations between Libya and our big oil companies begin to sour, as shown in a cable released by wikilinks. GG's other link of relevance: Earlier this month, Hillary Clinton hosted a meeting of top executives from a wide array of corporations — Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, Halliburton, GE, Chevron, Lockheed Martin, Citigroup, Occidental Petroleum, etc. etc. — to plot how to exploit "economic opportunities in the new Iraq."

      GG's point: never assume that the reason we send in the military in the Gulf region is the humanitarian cause that is always given as the initial pretext. We've got a history going back to replacing Iran's democratically elected government with the Shah that illustrates this point. I read Juan Coles blogs about it when we originally went in. Time goes by, and we learn more. Events transpire, and gradually it turns out that the critics were right. Again.

      Seriously, I've re-read that part half a dozen times and still can't figure out what Simpson-Bowles has to do with it.

      It’s more bad policy and politics from Obama. Social Security is the most popular government program, and FDR’s signature domestic policy achievement. Republicans fought it back then, and they’ve been trying to kill it ever since. Former Senator Alan Simpson is a typical rightwing jackass. Here’s Democrat Erskine Bowles: veteran Social Security hawk. That they included cuts to Social Security in their deficit reduction plan is should have come as no surprise, in spite of the fact that Social Security has nothing to do with it. Now every time a Democrat appears on a Sunday Morning Talking Head Show, they’re asked about their plan to deal with Social Security. Protecting Social Security ought to be one of the strongest campaign issues the Democrats have. But cuts are on the table because Obama put them there, via the Simpson-Bowles commission. You can’t get much more DINO (or whatever name you want to use) then screwing this up.

      … leading me to conclude that your arguments are so ideologically based that you're pretty much uninterested in hearing anything that falls outside the construction of HERP DERP OBUMMER'S A SELL-OUT!

      My arguments are based on what was done (or not), and what was happened. Your arguments are based on excuses and name-calling.

    • Negropolis

      For the love of the FSM, stop this shit you troll.

      • This dude has been around a long time so I've never thought of him as a troll before. Of course, he's also never been this dickish. I mean, what a response. I hope he didn't spend all weekend on it. And Neillist thought I was being obsessive.

        I only skimmed, but I did like the part where, after making a provocative assertion and calling out a specific poster to respond (the unwritten rule has always seemed to be we only do that with Breitard trolls), he then claims he meant the line about starting a flamewar ironically. Wha???? After our little exchange last week I had just dropped the whole thing because he was so dismissive of me with his last response, in a way I found snooty, that I didn't think it was worth my time. No, he wanted an argument, I hope he enjoyed himself.

        Geesh. At this point we're so deep in the weeds I think my original point, which was basically just expressing frustration that Wonkette writers keep misrepresenting Obama's position on Afghanistan as a candidate and using it as an excuse to smack the guy around, has been lost to the void. I'm just going to hope this is the end of it – this is as dumb a way to have a political argument with someone on the left as it is with the wingnuts.

        Hope if he's reading this he doesn't feel I'm lecturing, which apparently I have a habit of doing. I would have characterized it as "passionately arguing a position," but tomato, to-mah-toe.

  • DemonicRage

    Wait a minute? Have Joe-mentum Lieberman, Lindsay "Ham Biscuits" Graham and Grampy McCain had their weign-in on this matter? I'm sure none of them would want to cut off our loyal military supply factories in California and Texas?

    • bloodandirony

      They are still 100% behind the war , er I mean "kenetic activities" in Libya. The GOP's fabled party unity doesn't seem to apply to this issue.

  • Nothingisamiss

    Wasn't it Juan McCains robot wife who said when Obama voted against war funding (just for procedural reasons, not because he hates war, ha, ha) her "blood ran cold."

    Yep, it was.

    • widestanceroman

      As if she were warm-blooded to begin with.

  • War-Making While Black.

    • PristineODummy

      Damn that man! Couldn't he have done something about that pigment problem? Now we're stuck with angry Repug … never mind.

  • samsuncle

    Praise Jeebus the Repugs finally found a war they don't like!!

    • CZL

      Oh they like the war. They just hate the thought of "that one" in charge more. Heavens, what if he actually destroys two known terrorists that have cost American lives! It will make the GOP's half-decade of expensive war games meant only to inflate private sector profits look callous and evil!

    • PristineODummy

      First one, right?

  • elviouslyqueer

    The House of Representatives sent President Barack Obama a strong bipartisan message Friday that it's frustrated and impatient with the U.S. military mission in Libya.

    Fine, you dickweeds. Why stop there? Why not go ahead and pull out our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh, wait.

  • ThundercatHo

    What would happen if we just brought home every single last military person? I know this is naive and simplistic but it is an interesting idea to think about.

  • mormos

    BEST. PIC. EVAR.

  • Nothingisamiss

    Has Halliburton started laughing at this yet? 'Cause they know they're still getting theirs. Still, I'm sure the R presidential candidate will be all about "No mores murky warz."

    • ganmerlad

      There are several pallets of dollars still missing, and 'Xe' (re-branding doesn't work when people are paying attention) is probably laughing hardest about *that*. For some people it is all about the pallets.

    • GOPCrusher

      Like the previous resident of the White House who said in 2000 that America should not be in the nation-building business?

  • Weenus299

    Update! The House is all pissed off about all this crazy moneyspending for war toys, but then it's resolved that we're gonna pay for that shit anyway: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-pull

    • ArmoredBore

      I guess that just like how Sir Mix-A-Lot can't deny his love for ample backsides, House hawks can't deny their love for war and death.

  • guangho

    "Is that possibly the most cynical thing any lawmaker could ever surmise about the Libyan conflict if that lawmaker also voted for the Iraq war? No, probably you would have to add in some glib comments about how it is not the job of the United States to fight someone’s battle for democracy, or whatever. "

    Hety Kirsten, I know you're new here but lemme give you a bit of advice. If you spend your days trying to unearth "the most cynical thing" out there, you'll quit by Sunday morning, throw away your computer by Sunday noon and move to an abandoned island by Sunday night. Pick one with coconuts!

  • BTWBFDIMHO

    Note: 15 trillion bucks in the national debt, but not the federal deficit (around 1.6 trillion?)

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      It's the difference between your mortgage, and coming up short on grocery money at the end of the week.

      Republiklowns will offer to solve both by cutting your dental floss budget.

  • ganmerlad

    If they had their way we would frack the world.

  • neiltheblaze

    Now, if only Obama had started the Iraq and Afghan wars, the Refutelicans wouldn't like those wars either.

    • PristineODummy

      I'm tellin' ya. The guy just won't cooperate. He COULDA been white. He COULDA started THOSE wars instead of this one. But NOOOO.

      • Banelm

        Obama could go back in time and return with the severed heads of Hitler and Stalin, and the Republicans would still just bitch about how much it cost.

        • PristineODummy

          Agreed. If he single-handedly moved the Earth out of the path of a speeding meteor, they would accuse him of grandstanding and wasting good money.

    • Negropolis

      They don't like them now that they have decided that they are his wars. In all honesty, that's a fair point as cynical as it is.

      • neiltheblaze

        Cynical? When dealing with or considering Republicans, I find I can never be cynical enough.

        • Negropolis

          No, I meant they are being cynical, even though it's a fair point.

  • FraAnima

    Ah, for the good ol' days when a Republican was President, and it was OK to spread democracy through the barrel of a rifle.

  • FraAnima

    Filling their bellies with freedom courtesy of the USA.

  • finallyhappy

    not true- it's a bubba meiseh.

  • BklynIlluminati

    effort to sandbag President = FAIL!

  • Fox n Fiends

    "We just can't afford Hussein Obama's wars unless we cut taxes by 20%."

    • PristineODummy

      I thought it was "Hessian." Barack HESSIAN Obama.

      • Negropolis

        That really help with the Hitler meme. Too bad they still think a Hessian is a Haitian.

        • PristineODummy

          With the teabaggage at its peak, there were more interesting spellings of our Pres's name than I could possibly have believed. Interestingly, the same Marching Morons who had difficulty with "Barack Hussein" didn't have the same difficulties with "Ehud Barak," or "Saddam Hussein." I still think it's all a fucking plot to drive me crazy.

          Oh, yes, and he's a Muslin.

  • Walkinwiddaking

    Why don't we get rid of the Pentagon and just sub contract to Wall Street? They seem to do a more bloodless yet gut wrenching job of bringing the world to it's knees.

  • sati_demise

    oh, I can tell this is a libtard post 'cause of all the facts an shit.

  • SaintRond

    You know, just because I want to join the President and sit down to eat Gaddafi's liver doesn't make me a bad person.

    Peace… God bless…

    • PristineODummy

      Trust me on this — the liver is the worst part. All those toxins it's been filtering in Moammar's ancient body, lo! These many decades and more.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      With fava beans, and a fine Chianti?

  • HarryButtle

    I really, really, really don't wanna agree with the Republicans. On anything. Ever. But it seems I've got no choice here. Thanks a lot, Hopey.

  • DahBoner

    If Federalists had their way, we'd be drinking bloody tea, instead of coffee…

  • DustBowlBlues

    Well, I just had the quickest high and most rapid buzz kill, ever. Countdown has brought David Schuster back. He is my pretend boyfriend because he was so snarky about the Snowbilly grifter he was suspended a few days from MSNBC but MOSTLY because his response to "Thank you" was always "You're welcome."

    So imagine my disappointment when Keith thanked him for being on his show he responded with "Thank you." Anthony You-Know-Who broke my heart by sending racy tweeters to everyone but me. I can only hope David S doesn't ever do this to me again.

  • BarackMyWorld

    To be fair, that $3 trillion figure includes "both government expenses and the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy" and so isn't not necessarily all part of the government's $15 trillion national debt.

    However, "And that doesn't include future health care and disability payments for veterans, which will add another half-trillion dollars to the debt."

    Math: good for counting all the ways you've been screwed.

  • PristineODummy

    I thought we already were? No?

  • Sparky_McGruff

    So, they're bitching over $716 million, yet $18 billion just "disappears" in Iraq, and not a word.

    • ShaveTheWhales

      30' by 30' by 8' Benjamins.

  • Negropolis

    Correction, the House condemns our involvement in Libya because the president is black and from the opposing party, and the Democrats that joined them, because it's not politically advantages to be for war, anymore. Shameless hypocrites and/or opportunists, the entire damned lot of them.

    • zhubajie

      Probably more than 1-2 psychopaths in Congress. :-(

  • Negropolis

    and they have pretty much had their way, we'd be the Arsenic of Democracy.

    Well, we've kind of been that, too. That is, before the people in the countries where we've supported dictators decide to flip. Fortunately, for the first time in a long time, when the people have flipped, we're actually trying to support them.

  • tessiee

    And Boner could, but they'd all clash like hell with his bright orange hide.

  • zhubajie

    Stopping killing people is always good.

  • zhubajie

    "Cruelty has a human heart
    And jealousy a human face,
    Terror the human form divine,
    And secrecy the human dress."

    Wm. Blake

  • ShaveTheWhales

    Jesus pole-dancing Christ. These fuckheads could, if they insist on ignoring domestic issues, register an objection to our fruitless, and much more expensive and deadly, engagement in Afghanistan, but noooo, they gotta complain about the most reasonable and well-measured use of US military power in the last decade.

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