PSA RE: KOCHSUCKERS  11:38 am June 22, 2011

Here’s How the Koch Bros. Put ‘Raise the Retirement Age’ On TV

by Wonkette Jr.

Economic Taliban.Why, exactly, should we raise the retirement age? Who benefits from that? Certainly not people, now being told that they’ll have to toil until death after all, just like the slaves and serfs of the cruel past. And why should the elderly now have to work to the grave? Because the Koch Brothers were born into $300 million fortunes and they’ve exploited hundreds of thousands of laborers and the natural resources of America to make that $300 million into billions, and they don’t want to pay any taxes on that, because they are evil. Here’s a quick video that’s not too lulzy but might be just what your brainwashed grandparents need to receive in their AOL mail.

Why is Bernie Sanders so sane and smart and humane? Oh right, he’s a democratic socialist who rightly appreciates the democratic-socialist institutions of America — Social Security, Medicare, compulsory education, labor rights, national parks, public transportation infrastructure, libraries, fire departments and other such ideas that were radical centuries ago and are now part of accepted humanity throughout the world.

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nounverb911 June 22, 2011 at 11:40 am

Is it too late to retire the Koch's?

BlueStateLibel June 22, 2011 at 12:28 pm

Excellent point, those two old shitheads should practice what they preach, and be in a nursing home, under heavy sedation.

Jukesgrrl June 22, 2011 at 4:04 pm

You can retire a yacht, but I don't think you can retire the person whose only "job" is sailing it.

Gleem_McShineys June 22, 2011 at 7:43 pm

Re-tire, as in run over, back up, and run over again?

Negropolis June 23, 2011 at 1:11 am

How can you retire someone who has never worked an honest day in his life? These are the questions; these are the problems.

nounverb911 June 22, 2011 at 11:41 am

The Koch Brothers, the world's ultimate weiner joke.

Bigger than Rod June 22, 2011 at 12:13 pm

If we tweet their picture will they be forced to resign?

Barb June 22, 2011 at 11:42 am

Social Security benefits are based on your earnings, right? It's going to be interesting to see Christine O'Donnell, getting a $17.00 check at the age of 80, the new retirement age.

Radiotherapy® June 22, 2011 at 12:11 pm

Is a mostly unemployed witch eligible for SS benefits?

OneDollarJuana June 22, 2011 at 11:42 am

Unless the Right slows down in it's headlong rush to impoverish 99.999% of the US population they are going to get "retired" themselves.

Nothingisamiss June 22, 2011 at 12:31 pm

See, I would like to think that. I live in the south, though, and hear from the poors and the riches that Obama is a kenyan socialist and that people on "welfare" don't work. (What they themselves are on, medicare, medicaid, social security, the VA benefits.)

I know our librarians that lost their jobs know to vote democratic, but the socialist fire, police, army, etc. 'round these parts don't want those "lazy people" taking their money.

At 99.999% impoverishment, only 45% of yokels vote demoncrat.

horsedreamer_1 June 22, 2011 at 1:19 pm

I remember Jake Gyllenhaal's voice-over narration at the close of Jarhead: "we are still… in the desert". But, I have to think, it's more retrograde than that — "we are still… fighting Antietam".

tessiee June 22, 2011 at 5:12 pm

"they are going to get "retired" themselves"

Yeah, "retired". ..
TO THE EXTREME!!
*plays heavy metal guitar solo*

Come here a minute June 22, 2011 at 11:42 am

When you lump libraries together with all that other good stuff, that's when you start making certain people suspicious. (Teabaggers.)

OneDollarJuana June 22, 2011 at 11:51 am

Maybe that's why the TP presence here in King County, WA, is not so strong. We have the busiest library system in the country.

Pres[EXTERMINATE!!] June 22, 2011 at 11:44 am

Sorry, every time I see the Koch brothers I think of the Duke brothers…

"Fuck him! Now, you listen to me! I want trading reopened right now. Get those brokers back in here! Turn those machines back on! TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!!"

If only the Kochsuckers could be ruined by cornering the market on frozen concentrated orange juice.

SorosBot June 22, 2011 at 11:53 am

While I've seen the movie, the words "Duke brothers" immediately makes me think of Bo and Luke, not those two; although between the evil rich stockbrokers and the guys with the Confederate flag on their care the two pairs of Dukes encompasses both parts of the Republican base.

FidoMcCokefiend June 22, 2011 at 12:00 pm

And…. Now I'm thinking of Daisy Duke in her cutoff jean shorts, and couldn't care less about what someone is doing to something about Koch. Mmm, cutoff jean shorts.

ALIVE! June 22, 2011 at 12:05 pm

Just some good ol' boys….

user-of-owls June 22, 2011 at 11:44 am

Bernie Sanders/Logical Compassion 2012.

DaRooster June 22, 2011 at 11:50 am

Diebold would never let that happen… the Compassion part…

Not_So_Much June 22, 2011 at 12:18 pm

I would totally gay-marry Bernie. (But I'll need to get divorced and get indoctrinated by teh gheys first.)

Nothingisamiss June 22, 2011 at 12:32 pm

1000 upfists for you.

CrankyLttlCamperette June 22, 2011 at 11:46 am

Please, like anyone is still going to have a job in their 80s. They'll downsize you through some BS legal HR rhetoric and you'll be sleeping under a bridge in no time (especially if you didn't breed enough kids to go live with).

I'd bet the Kochs are privatizing the poorhouse industry. They recognize a boom market when they see one.

Pres[EXTERMINATE!!] June 22, 2011 at 11:56 am

I think the current terms are "synergy" and "rightsizing".

bureaucrap June 22, 2011 at 12:22 pm

Their next project: "Repeal the 13th Amendment: Freedom Through Slavery"

Beowoof June 22, 2011 at 12:33 pm

Oh they're out to get you on sleeping under the bridge as well. Back in the 60's and 70's most highway bridges angled down to the road below. That gave the homeless refuge at the top of those inclines, out of the wind and rain. Now they are building them at a 90degree angle to the road the homeless will have no place to go. First they took our jobs, then they took our houses and now the defacto homeless shelters of the past are being disappeared. It has been the plan since 1980.

Goonemeritus June 22, 2011 at 11:47 am

But if I retire and start spending all that extra time with the family they might catch on to the fact that I’m kind of a douche. Plus I wouldn’t give it week before I was poring beer on my Cheerios in the morning.

FNMA June 22, 2011 at 11:51 am

Beer?
Lightweight.

ChessieNefercat June 22, 2011 at 12:11 pm

Dammit. This is what I get for being so irritated when I see the word "pouring" used incorrectly so very often (he was pouring over the files late into the night).

I finally see the word "poring" used…

user-of-owls June 22, 2011 at 11:47 am

If these monsters were not disemboweling actual real people, they'd be comical. Seriously, why haven't we created a photoshop or blingee of these sadists wearing monocles and top hats?

Pres[EXTERMINATE!!] June 22, 2011 at 12:06 pm

Well, the logo of the Antisec movement is pretty close to that, and they're all about taking down big anything, including big corporations…

fartknocker June 22, 2011 at 11:48 am

Bernie Sanders is an excellent statesman and he should be teaching all junior legislators a 3 hour course on statesmanship and their role and function (you know, "we the people" and such).

Regarding the Koch brothers, they are the commanders of the War Against the Middle Class. I couldn't give a rats ass about them or wanting to change retirement age. This is just another example of the Kochs convincing the TeaTards to believe that Social Security is underfunded and the Koch(rings) taking advantage of it for the purpose of improving their wealth.

DaRooster June 22, 2011 at 11:48 am

I have nothing against someone attaining wealth (in a reasonable manner). But when all you do is fuck people over, lie to them about all of the harm you are doing or hold horrible things over their heads to get your way and to exploit everything MY country is supposed to be… FUCK YOU! Your time is coming… all of y'all.

(Oh and I believe Bernie Sanders is an Independent too, also)

WOW! They have had the commenting AND replying shut down… EVIL EVIL EVIL FUCKS! You forgot the "editing" guys…

PsycWench June 22, 2011 at 12:26 pm

I have to admit to feeling that once a person is worth anything close to the wealth of the Kock brothers, maybe you could give making wealth a rest and try helping out the rest of the population. That think tank $$ would have bought a lot of baby food.

SarcasticNymph June 26, 2011 at 2:08 am

Um, paying a fair % of income taxes on corporate and personal wealth (Eisenhower rates, anyone?) is the bestest way for the wealthy to help out the rest of us serfs.

DaSandman June 22, 2011 at 11:49 am

I never thought I'd be rooting for cancer, but now if it takes the boys out, thy will be done.

hagajim June 22, 2011 at 11:49 am

I guess we all need to rob a bank of $1 when we are 65 so we can retire in the relative comfort of federal prison – with health care even.

Pres[EXTERMINATE!!] June 22, 2011 at 12:04 pm

Never mind the pound-me-in-the-ass part…

hagajim June 22, 2011 at 2:24 pm

I'm already getting ass pounded by these fucks every time I turn around….what's the difference?

SarcasticNymph June 26, 2011 at 2:09 am

Need to steal more than that to qualify for prison quality health care (I can't believe I just wrote that) – don't know how much – but this is now one of my options!

mrblifil June 22, 2011 at 11:50 am

2011: Year of the Exposed Kochs.

fuflans June 22, 2011 at 12:02 pm

from your mouth to god's ear.

ChessieNefercat June 22, 2011 at 12:13 pm

I read these two comments too quickly and too close together.

Nothingisamiss June 22, 2011 at 12:35 pm

Oy! Why did you write that!! Sooooo wrong.

BerkeleyBear June 22, 2011 at 11:51 am

I recently completed a trek across half of America, and one day on TV stumbled on to that CNBC profile that was mentioned here a couple weeks ago. How the fuck is it that people who most believe that a sky spirit can and does want them to live "sinless" lives are the ones most likely to follow around a couple of soulless douches like these who think they earned every penny they were born with and are entitled to break every rule necessary to get their hands on the rest?

Seriously, I've known most religious types were hypocrites for years. But following anything these assholes support is like using the teachings of Christ for toilet paper in the middle of the Crystal Cathedral.

Rotundo_ June 22, 2011 at 5:05 pm

The existence of the Crystal Cathedral is like using Christ for toilet paper in the middle of (fill in "sacred" place name here). The actual teachings of Christ are so far on the back burner of most christians that they barely notice, but they devour hand picked nuggets from the old testament and wherever else manipulative grifters want to pull them out of. As for these guys, jeebus is just a sales gimmick for getting the fundies to agree to slit their own throats for preventing abortions (which will never happen anyhow since it will remove the hook for a whole bunch of suckers to vote republican and slit their throats). Suckers upon suckers upon suckers being played by people like the KoBros like hell's own wurlitzer,

BerkeleyBear June 22, 2011 at 7:20 pm

I know the Crystal Cathedral is the epicenter of the bullshit hypocrisy of modern Evangelical Christianity – I just wanted it to be clear that even by their standards, what AFP and the Kochs are all about is a steaming pile of doody.

Negropolis June 23, 2011 at 1:20 am

Speaking of the Crystal Cathedral, Jack Van Impe, a Michigan televangelist, taped a show saying that the Crystal Cathedral and Saddleback, both in California, are teaching "Chrislam". Yeah, you guessed it, a mixture of Christianity and Islam. The station wouldn't air the show, and he quit his own show. lol

Yeah, Saddleback and the Crystal Cathedral are so liberal. lol

mormos June 23, 2011 at 12:01 am

this is why i despise zealots of anything.

SarcasticNymph June 26, 2011 at 2:11 am

For example, do we ever hear these religious types yelling and carrying on about … the Beatitudes? The Sermon on the Mount? Hell NO. But that is what Jesus was really about, not that other shit.

freakishlywrong June 22, 2011 at 11:51 am

Who asked these un-elected, decrepit fossils to weigh in on my benefits? We need a good old fashioned riot in this country.

EatsBabyDingos June 22, 2011 at 12:01 pm

I think we should turn them into "fossil fuels." First, squeeze the oiliness out of them, then internally combust. Preferably in a large Easy Bake Oven. Or a Painfully Slow Microwave set to "defrost."

freakishlywrong June 22, 2011 at 12:06 pm

Only after we've taken all their filthy lucre.

Rosie_Scenario June 22, 2011 at 12:06 pm

And then there's Florida where the teabaggers were able to (barely) elect a criminal millionnaire as governor.

freakishlywrong June 22, 2011 at 12:18 pm

Oh Rosie, I KNOW…and it's a million degrees down here, and no effen' rain, and I blame the Kocks for that as well.

Maman June 22, 2011 at 11:52 am

I just want to crawl under my covers and wimper.

lefty74 June 22, 2011 at 11:53 am

Ever give any thought to the idea that if it wasn't these two pricks, there would be others.

HistoriCat June 22, 2011 at 12:17 pm

But it's like the mafia – you can have one person in charge who controls everything or you can have a bunch of people who have to expend a lot of energy to maintain their prominence.

OneDollarJuana June 22, 2011 at 12:38 pm

There is a perfect analogy in motorcycle road racing. When two or more riders are battling for the lead, it actually slows them down, allowing others to catch up and join the fray. However, if one can break away at the front, especially if the others continue to fight for second place, that rider can gain a lead that is almost insurmountable. The Koch Bros are that rider, so far out in front that it is almost impossible for us to catch up.

However, some leaders get overconfident and make mistakes, allowing others to pass them for the win. Or the trailing riders realize they need to quit fighting each other and catch up to the front to renew the battle with the leader.

HuddledMass June 23, 2011 at 10:19 am

In this analogy, are we the ones without motorcycles, running along miles behind….?

Pithaughn June 22, 2011 at 1:03 pm

To me anyways, "Koch Brothers" is brand name that has morphed into a generic label, like Kleenex.

GOPCrusher June 22, 2011 at 4:27 pm

I just call them The Corporatists. And think back to 1982, when America officially turned control over to them.

Chillwaver June 22, 2011 at 11:53 am

Wish I could retire now and go back to work when I'm 60….otherwise I may never get to enjoy retirement!

donner_froh June 22, 2011 at 11:54 am

Current Social Security retirement age: 62 with reduced benefits, 67 and some months for full benefits.

Newly revised under the Koch Brothers regime retirement age: When you draw your last, labored breath and fall over dead.

DustBowlBlues June 22, 2011 at 12:09 pm

Speaking of dead, how about the Kock Brothers eat shit and die? And while the stinky brew is being passed around, give Uncle Tom of the Supremes some of it, too.

HistoriCat June 22, 2011 at 12:19 pm

Pass some over to Grover Norquist while you're at it. Along with the Kochs, he's "ideology" behind the "conservatives."

What kind of a world is it where Clarence Clemons is dead and Clarence Thomas is still alive?

GOPCrusher June 22, 2011 at 4:28 pm

Word.
God does not exist.

donner_froh June 22, 2011 at 12:28 pm

Works for me. It is a shame they have avoided the lamp post treatment so far.

weejee June 22, 2011 at 11:54 am

Could we convince Mossad that the oily Koch Bros are out to gain points with their Wahhabi clients at the expense of Israel? I'm guessing Mossad has tangible ways to neutralize the dear brothers efforts?

petehammer June 22, 2011 at 12:59 pm

Send in Eric Bana!

freakishlywrong June 22, 2011 at 11:54 am

It's all in who you blow.

Negropolis June 23, 2011 at 1:12 am

It's can also be about who has the blow.

Doktor Zoom June 22, 2011 at 11:59 am

OK, so all we need to do is take Glenn Beck's "Puppetmaster" bit, and dub over the audio so that every mention of George Soros is replaced with the Koch fiends and their organizations, and we'll have the first bit of accurate reporting that Beck has ever done. But I really admire Beck for his courage!!!

donner_froh June 22, 2011 at 11:59 am

However, under the new "work until you croak" Social Security rules the funeral benefit will be raised from $255 to $300, allowing your family to buy another can of gas for your cremation or some better liquor for the wake.

Nothingisamiss June 22, 2011 at 12:40 pm

It'll have to be liquor. Gas will be too pricey.

Cicada June 22, 2011 at 12:00 pm

My father is the right demo for a lot of the Koch brother's messaging: late 50's, male, FOX news viewer. He's been letting me know he's in favor of "entitlement reform" for awhile now (entitlement reform sounds so much better than slashing benefits, right?). Of course, he also recommended some new sitcom because it had "edgy humor, like Two and a Half Men".

So yeah, we're all doomed.

GOPCrusher June 22, 2011 at 4:35 pm

And what's this new bullshit term I've been hearing lately? Entitlement mentality. WTF does that even mean? It's becoming more difficult to not open fire when I hear some asshat proclaim that poor people are poor because they choose to be.

tessiee June 22, 2011 at 5:41 pm

"And what's this new bullshit term I've been hearing lately? Entitlement mentality. WTF does that even mean?"

It's the belief that you should have whatever you want just for the sole reason that you want it, because you've gotten your way effortlessly all your life, so you think it's your rightful due.

For example, if you're a pea-brained sociopath from a rich, powerful family, you might think you should have the Presidency handed to you without having to document your military service record, or make a lick of sense in the debates, or much of anything, really, including getting a majority of the votes.

Or is that not what they mean by that?

Buzz Feedback June 22, 2011 at 12:00 pm

Bernie needs a tube of Bourgeois Sunscreen.

freakishlywrong June 22, 2011 at 12:01 pm

What amazes me is that they are able to convince, (and are busily convincing), the very people that receive these benefits, that it's somehow anti-American. Oh, and Dems? Bluedogs and otherwise? The American People™ don't want these programs fucked with. Acquiescing to the right will only give the assholes cover to throw it back at you in 2012. And, being humongous assholes, they will.

SarcasticNymph June 26, 2011 at 2:22 am

You know, someone needs to bring this "entitlement reform" bullshit home with these idiots on gov't assistance who vote for these dickheads. Someone needs to include with these bills elimination of all Hoveround benefits.

fuflans June 22, 2011 at 12:01 pm

i would be happy to work to 70 if i could find a bloody job.

proudgrampa June 22, 2011 at 12:23 pm

You too, Fu?

tessiee June 22, 2011 at 5:43 pm

Me three.

fuflans June 22, 2011 at 12:04 pm

today we are all serfs in daub and wattle homes.

Pres[EXTERMINATE!!] June 22, 2011 at 12:04 pm

If we had a real progressive third party in this country (sorry, the Libertarians and Greens don't count), we could have a weird election result where the GOP wins big and the Dems lose big to the Progressives… kind of like what happened in the UK with the Liberal Democrats and Canada with the New Democratic Party, eventually setting the stage for a Progessive resurgence.

donner_froh June 22, 2011 at 12:05 pm

Gee, I wonder why none of the think tanks or pundits point out that increasing the retirement age will allow corporations to drive down wages since there will be more workers competing for fewer jobs.

Oblios_Cap June 22, 2011 at 12:31 pm

But they'll continue to hire younger ones and pay them less. Without Health Care, the olds will just die faster.

PuckStopsHere June 22, 2011 at 1:54 pm

One word: Interns.

SarcasticNymph June 26, 2011 at 2:23 am

And women can't claim wage discrimination any longer, either, so we will see an acceleration in decline in womens' wages compared with mens'. America: striving to become the Number 1 sweatshop in the world!

SorosBot June 22, 2011 at 12:10 pm

The Barons of Koch won't be happy until the peasants are in their rightful place, groveling at the Lords' feet for any scrap their betters will give them for their labor, instead of longing for socialistic, un-American dreams like upward mobility or some other class besides the peasants and the nobility.

Oblios_Cap June 22, 2011 at 12:32 pm

Our betters are truly blessed by God himself.

Callyson June 22, 2011 at 12:13 pm

I did not know Bernie Sanders had such a large pair of cojones…now, can we get him to share with the rest of the Dems to stand up against the Kochs, once and for all?

Crank_Tango June 22, 2011 at 12:31 pm

No. You know what other dem also shared his cojones…

BlueMonkeh June 22, 2011 at 12:53 pm

Bill Clinton?

Fox n Fiends June 22, 2011 at 12:13 pm

All America needs is a return to the 1954 tax rates, back when these Teatards were kids and America was booming and everything was grand. Then cut military spending by 40% and bye bye deficit.

BlueMonkeh June 22, 2011 at 12:53 pm

Yeah….all this longing nostalgia for the 1950's seems to leave out a few very important details.

SarcasticNymph June 26, 2011 at 2:25 am

Yeah, like those nice 1950s jobs were UNION jobs with sufficient pay and benefits to support the stay-at-home wife with the kids!

Guppy06 June 22, 2011 at 12:14 pm

"Why is Bernie Sanders so sane and smart and humane?"

Because he's not a member of the Democratic Party.

ChessieNefercat June 22, 2011 at 12:16 pm

Work unitl I'm eighty? I get depressed thinking of having to work this soulless job until I'm 65.

And really, do we want customer service run by eighty year olds?

OneDollarJuana June 22, 2011 at 12:54 pm

"You got a problem? YOU got a problem? What about my back? It's been killing me for years! I can barely tie my shoes! Any my usual brand of cat food just went up two cents! Now get outa here, you young whippersnapper, and let me rest."

ChessieNefercat June 22, 2011 at 1:03 pm

And getting home and thinking, "Did I put somebody on hold? Did I ever get back to them? Ah, who cares."

powersuit June 22, 2011 at 12:16 pm

So we gots 3 guys — 3! — out of a country of 300 million who seem to be disproportionately buying or bullying their views into the political CW: The Koch brothers and Grover Norquist. What a trio of wankers. (The Koch brothers do it because they're rancid rich bastards who want to keep all their money for themselves. But Norquist? Dude's a chump who's going to drown himself in a bathtub some day when people stop signing his silly pledge).

Too bad there are so many marginal souls out there who help these creeps get what they want, and so many marginal souls willing to listen to them. Oy! This country!

tymberwolf817 June 22, 2011 at 12:16 pm

Dear Koch Bros: Get a damn job. And by "damn job" I don't mean "money you have because your parents died."

donner_froh June 22, 2011 at 12:19 pm

Because the Koch Brothers were born into $300 million fortunes and they’ve exploited hundreds of thousands of laborers and the natural resources of America to make that $300 million into billions, and they don’t want to pay any taxes on that, because they are evil capitalists.

Wonkette, Jr., a tip of the cap for such an accurate and succinct characterization of what is going on. I suggest just one change–a small one since the words mean the same.

Sue4466 June 22, 2011 at 12:19 pm

Also, raising the retirement age keeps more potential workers in the workforce, which means more workers for the few jobs out there. And that makes it easier to exploit workers who are too afraid to lose their jobs to argue against less pay, longer hours, fewer paid holidays, less vacation pay, etc.

PsycWench June 22, 2011 at 12:23 pm

I was a little amazed to see how easy it is to buy off a politician. A few thousand bucks and you have a mouthpiece for life? I might sign up to teach a second summer school class after all.

HistoriCat June 22, 2011 at 12:26 pm

It's basically an economics situation. As the Republican party keeps shifting further to the right, the Democratic party keeps shifting to right as well – they already have a monopoly on the left, so they can move to the right without losing their customers (voters) on the left.

Hotelling's Law argues against this but since the Republicans insist on going full crazy, the Democrats are following along. A credible challenge from the left is the only way things are going to get less crazy any time soon.

SarcasticNymph June 26, 2011 at 2:18 am

Perhaps the Repubs allowing their crazy wing to dominate is an 11th dimensional chess strategy on their part – among other things, they might be trying to splinter off the real left from the ever-rightward-trending mainstream Dems, goading them into forming a 3rd party, which would (or might) hand the Repubs election wins, just as you say. Because they can. They know the DLC is too damn dumb and cowardly to just call them out on their crazy ass shit, take a stand, and start playing hardball. (I need another drink goddammit)

proudgrampa June 22, 2011 at 12:28 pm

Bernie was the kind of guy I admired when I was active in the Democratic Party, but I don't even recognize it now… It is certainly indistinguishable from the Republicans.

FlipOffResearch June 22, 2011 at 12:29 pm

There is no better argument for a confiscatory inheritance tax than the Koch bros.

BTW, here is a good piece on the Koch/Stalin connection (no kidding) from Truthdig:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/tea_party_fin

An_Outhouse June 22, 2011 at 12:32 pm

In the 1930's The Barker Gang would kidnap these fuckers and then kill them when no one paid the ransom. Those were the good old days, amirite?

iburl June 22, 2011 at 12:32 pm

According to American Jesus, It would be immoral for us to retain any of the trappings of American life past the year 1862.

JustPixelz June 22, 2011 at 12:33 pm

People do live longer now. (Some live a little too long, if you know what a mean.) So raising the retirement age is no more or less fair than how the original age 65 benchmark was set back the olde days. BUT — as Sen. Sanders points out — raising SSA benefit age delays retirement which retards* new workers from getting in the workforce.

All else being equal, I don't mind working a little longer in exchange for living longer. The youngsters might not be happy to hear that. (But listen kids, my job will be done in India when I retire anyway.)
________________________
* slows down

ifthethunderdontgetya June 22, 2011 at 12:41 pm

That's not right, Pixelz.

1) The major reason for the increase in average longevity for Americans is the decline in infant mortality, not because the olds are getting older.

2) There's absolutely nothing wrong with Social Security. The alleged shortfall is based on projections decades down the road. We can't even predict the economy for the next quarter, but we need to cut Social Security right now because of predictions for 2037?

3) The people who have always hated Social Security are leading the charge against it now, "because they want to save it"? Please. Social Security has absolutely nothing to do with the debt or deficits we have, but these are the excuses being used to go after it.

Don't buy the propaganda!
~

JustPixelz June 22, 2011 at 12:55 pm

Sigh. I know part of the overall increase in life expectancy is due to decline in infant mortality. But there has been an increase in longevity for people who reach age 65. In 1930, men who reached age 65 lived 12.7 years, in 1990 that had increased to 15.3. For women, it went from 14.7 to 19.6.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/lifeexpect.html

freakishlywrong June 22, 2011 at 12:58 pm

That's because they aren't poverty stricken and have access to affordable health care.

BlueMonkeh June 22, 2011 at 1:00 pm

Yeah – and if we give it a few more years the stats should be in reverse.

Progress!

soojank June 22, 2011 at 1:15 pm

Also, we understand and can treat pretty much /all/ diseases better and for less.
(Thanks in large part to government programs that fund awesome biomedical research that the Kochs probably hate)

SorosBot June 22, 2011 at 3:48 pm

That increase has only occurred among the wealthy and the upper-middle class; if you look at the statistics for the poor and working class – the people who actually need Social Security – life expectancy has stayed the same the last 30 years.

JustPixelz June 22, 2011 at 8:23 pm

Well that's bad news for me. On the other hand, I can go ahead and spend my entire IRA on a case of hobo beans without fear running out of money before I die..

sati_demise June 22, 2011 at 2:07 pm

you been punked, buddy! hahahahahahah they got to you dude!

HuddledMass June 23, 2011 at 10:32 am

HaHa! Jokes on you Pixelz, our life expectancy IS declining, at least for the wimminz —
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/15/nation/la

GunToting[Redacted] June 22, 2011 at 12:39 pm

Arbeit Macht Frei!

Nothingisamiss June 22, 2011 at 12:39 pm

Mr. Nothingisamiss gets tired of me yelling at the phone when he's trying to give money to the Dccc. He believes it's a bit much for the poor soul on the other end.

prommie June 22, 2011 at 12:40 pm

Its time to start the koch-blocking.

DemonicRage June 22, 2011 at 12:41 pm

All of this is outweighed by the fact that the Koch brothers donated so much money to Lincoln Center in New York that what used to be The New York State Theatre was renamed in their honor, at which point City Opera decided that it cost too much money to keep renting space there. For this supreme act of philanthropy, anything else that the Koch brothers do or propose (like the rest of us working until we die) should be overlooked and/or supported with enthusiasm.

SayItWithWookies June 22, 2011 at 12:44 pm

So wait — even their charitable donations make things more expensive? That's pretty damn heartless. Not out of character though.

prommie June 22, 2011 at 12:47 pm

There is some serious speculation out there that the Snowbilly Grifter is manic-depressive. Her cycle lasts from a few weeks to months. She has done this many times, she embarks on some stupid project with great energy and bombast, she is everywhere screeching and hatemongering for about 3 weeks, usually, then suddenly she flees back to Wassilla and disappears back into the Snowbilly Mansion, becoming invisible, except for the occasional tweet, for, oh, say 3 weeks. Then it all starts again.

BlueMonkeh June 22, 2011 at 12:56 pm

Is she a Gemini? I like to start stuff but then get bored before I finish it.

Or am I even a Gemini anymore? Something about astrological signs changing…

Wait…..squirrel!!!

ChessieNefercat June 22, 2011 at 12:59 pm

She may well be manic-depressive. For sure she has narcissistic personality disorder. The combination could be a tremendous force for impressive achievement of one sort of another, but it is accompanied by limited intelligence, a lack of curiosity, and sheer laziness.

ChessieNefercat June 22, 2011 at 12:50 pm

And I do try to remember how fortunate I am to have a relatively stable, if low-level, full-time job with okay benefits (for now). So yeah, if I need to work until I'm 80, at least I will have a job to totter off to.

And hopefully will remember to go there every morning. And to not kill anyone with my driving getting there. What fun my kids have to look forward to.

Weenus299 June 22, 2011 at 12:56 pm

They bet each other One Dollar to see if they could Totally Fuck the societal fabric of the United States.

A Dollar.

x111e7thst June 22, 2011 at 12:58 pm

The real issue is not people working till they die. Work is good for people. It builds character and keeps the unsavory lower classes off the streets. The real issue is clearly the socialist gay agenda destroying our precious liberties.

DashboardBuddha June 22, 2011 at 1:04 pm

I want to die in the middle of selling an insurance policy. That would be AWESOME! I would laugh all the way to whatever circle of hell they've booked for me.

petehammer June 22, 2011 at 1:04 pm

I would, if just to kill myself.

Goonemeritus June 22, 2011 at 1:11 pm

I agree I was giving my inner douche a voice. I have had similar experiences with older workers in plants that I have run. Older tool makers particularly liked to transition to low hours and act as mentors to some of the apprentices in the trade. I had a running joke with one of my favorite workers, I would ask him when he thought he might retire and he would respond the very next time one of you dicks ask me. We kept that up until he was 80.

sati_demise June 22, 2011 at 2:15 pm

This is a example of the 'kids' doing better than their parents. Old man Koch was the founder of the John Birch Society. His group was basically kicked out of the GOP by Bill Buckley (he refused to give them air time on his show, and the Birchers were marginalized because of that)……….No one in the GOP could take old man Koch seriously and still be respectable in the national media discourse.

Now look at his sons! They own their own media, the main stream takes them very seriously, and the GOP slobbers all over them- bowing and scraping, washing their feet at every opportunity. WTF happened in America?

this would be like the Black Panthers finally getting main stream cred on the left

chascates June 22, 2011 at 2:26 pm

And who says America doesn't have royalty?

BeWoot June 22, 2011 at 3:29 pm

Raising the retirement age is an idiotic proposition, even for Koch heads. Unemployment/underemployment among young people is already a serious problem now, when Americans are still often able to retire a year or so before moving into hospice care. Making all Americans–rather, those who can find and keep a job–work until they drop dead at their stations will only worsen the job market for those entering their labor years.

The only reasons anyone is pushing this horrible idea is because (a) they are mean, cheap fuckers who don't care if life for senior citizens is a hopeless continuum of indentured toil, and (b) they personally have (or imagine they have) the resources to avoid this grim future for themselves.

Also, of course, there is that 3rd explanation for advocating the end of retirement in America: They're just too stupid to recognize that the policy is as shortsighted as it is cruel.

p.s. The koch suckers are cleverly "grandfathering" these ideas so aged idiots–who vote–will think they are only screwing those young whippersnappers–who do not vote.

sportshort June 22, 2011 at 3:55 pm

Satan is sending the Koch brothers a fruit basket in the shape of a dildo because he loves them.

Worthly[♬♪♬♪♫♪♬]Skum June 22, 2011 at 4:10 pm

Koch nostalgia ad for all you boomers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbykzqJ6ens

GOPCrusher June 22, 2011 at 4:19 pm

Stamping license plates in Federal Pen after being convicted of campaign fund fraud.

GOPCrusher June 22, 2011 at 4:32 pm

Some day before I die, I hope to see another Democrat elected President.
I really wonder, how different would America be today if Bobby Kennedy hadn't have been killed?

sportshort June 22, 2011 at 5:23 pm

They're poopy heads! Poopy poopy poopy heads! And they eat poopy!

tessiee June 22, 2011 at 6:00 pm

"False choice my friend, you choose when to retire"

Unless your position gets eliminated, and then mysteriously reappears six months later with a cute li'l fresh-faced youngster right out of school (and at the bottom of the pay scale with no spouses or kids to drive up insurance).
But that's a total coincidence, prolly, huh?

Pithaughn June 22, 2011 at 9:07 pm

That is technically in human resource speak "Shat upon". I once reduced the incidence of golf carts needing a tow in from the links to zero from about 3 times per day. The "management consultant" advised the "management" that my position could safely be eliminated. After one season of no proper maintenance the entire fleet needed new batteries.
One fleet of new batteries = $250 * 72
Cracking wise " I told you so" at a do gooder event = priceless
I am still bitter. I was so good at that job. What asshats , that consultant and the owner.

mormos June 23, 2011 at 12:06 am

I seriously hope these guys become well acquainted with the business end of a sniper's bullet.

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