According to Chuck Todd, who has been working so hard he’s been wearing his glasses and pajamas since Sunday night, President Obama is not going to release any photographs of Osama bin Laden’s ugly dead face. Sure, many of us would like to see for ourselves that this guy was actually shot in the head, but at times like these, it’s important to remember the deceased for how they lived, not how they died. So Obama will release photos of the happier moments in bin Laden’s life, from his first t-ball game, to wedding his first wives, to the first time he received a shipment of arms from the Reagan administration, to the first time he murdered an American civilian.
This one was good too:
OH WE SEE WHAT’S GOING ON HERE.
POTUS: “we don’t need to spike footballs” POTUS said OBL is not a “trophy” as read by @PressSec right now.
No, sorry, he is a trophy. Has Obama not been paying attention the past 10 years?
Hooray transparency!
WONKETTE CHALLENGE: Have your children draw pictures of what they think Osama bin Laden’s corpse looks like. We’ll post the best ones here tomorrow! And then send them to the angry people on the streets of the Middle East. [Twitter/Flickr]
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Now the Deathers will join the Birthers.
Afterdeath meet afterbirth?
Ah, the wondrous circle of life. This is just like one of those Mr. Retired Gazelle meet Mrs. Hungry Lion episodes on Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.
By the way, did you know that "Jim" (the guy that Marlin Perkins hurled out of fast-moving vehicles to play "tag" with angry fauna) was a closet Trotskyite and tiddly-winks devotee? Now you do, now you do.
Wow, Owls I have no dea who Marlin Perkins even was, let alone the chap with those very interesting idiosyncrosies, but as a closet Cranium devotee , I think we could have had fun.
"I'll wait in the boat while Jim wrestles the giant anaconda" was a lexicon of American speech during the 60's and 70's.
I think Barry gets some sick pleasure in fucking with their Teatard heads.
I know I get a lot of sick pleasure in him fucking with their heads.
When life gives you a Lemon Party, make Lemonade!
And what will happen when these two streams of stupid are crossed? Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
So, like if Da Bears and Da Bulls played each other?
I agree with Bear. This is why he let the birth certificate out; he knew that he was going to have another conspiracy theory to fuck around with. Genius.
"Now the Deathers will join the Birthers?"
If you were to draw a Venn diagram of that one, it would have been about 95% overlap from the get-go.
It would look, I believe, like a total eclipse of the heart.
Like that wouldn't happen anyway? If he released them, it would be "oooh he photoshopped it…" He can't win with these bozos.
Barry had to be the Serious Adult in the Room and interrupt the Teabaggers from jacking off on his dead corpse photo, for National Security Purposes…
Deather Fapist Interuptus
Baptist Faptists?
"Now the Deathers will join the Birthers. "
I'm pretty sure that in most cases it will be a very short trip from one side of a skull with a short to the other; zot!
And goodness knows, not much in the way of obstacles preventing the happy union.
Brother R. G. Stair, craziest preacher in America, has decided that Bin Laden never existed! (Just like dinosaurs never existed!) He was just a fiction created to justify more wars…. Stair even urged his listeners to think critically and not believe everything they see or hear, which surely is another sign of the End! There is very little Stair will not believe, so long as it's whacky or end-times related.
"Stair even urged his listeners to think critically and not believe everything they see or hear"
If my Irony-Meter hadn't already exploded at some time during the Bush years, this would have pegged it in the red zone.
Death photos of Dick Cheney would be something else entirely.
Post em when you got em.
Please, don't toy with my emotions like that…..
I'll masturbate to that!!!
Left eye, dumbass!
Whoa, you've managed to rack up an impressively low p-score over at Breitbart; it nearly rivals metamacist.
She died in a car crash a while back, iirc.
Don't go chasing waterfalls, indeed.
No no–it was 'Don't Go Chasing Terrorists'. Album: Ooooooohhh… On the OBL Tip.
A jihadi is a guy who thinks he's fly, sometimes known as a fanatic.
I don't need to see him.
Of course this is the right thing to do, because it's profane and barbaric to gloat over images of your dead adversary,* which is exactly why the "right" is about to throw a big fucking temper tantrum.
* Who you didn't kill, nossir, 'cause that whole "goin' to war thing" just ain't for you.
Funny thing – the right is actually split on this (in Congress, not in the express line at Wal-Mart/Golden Corral). House GOPers on the Intel Committee didn't want to the admin to let them out – although maybe they were just making sure they could complain no matter waht the President did.
According to Chuck Todd…
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Needs more cats.
Is it a self portrait?
Prezdint shoulda kept his mouth shut and taken a cue from Dubya, who woulda leaked 'em. See, this is what happens when you give The Blacks real responsibility.
right along with the names and home addresses of every seal team six member who was involved in the mission and a special (even helpful) key to determine who did the deed.
It's a no win situation so stick to your guns and F the tinfoil hat crowd.
And also, you need to add teh ugly royal's head thingys to that pic, rite now.
Unless your tinfoil hat is grounded, it only concentrates the rays, anyway. So MIT researchers.
This is the right thing to do. The right however, are going to make very loud, well-funded, obnoxious hay outta this. Oh yeah. Fuck em'.
Sarah has already screech tweeted her nonsense.
Fuck 'em is right … moderates are behind Obama on this, so let the wingnuts screech themselves hoarse. I'm really hoping that they're insane enough to vote for a Trump/Palin ticket. Putting up with the tasteless spectacle would a small price to pay for Obama's second term.
I read the first sentence and thought it said "Chunk" Todd for a second.
Lil Chunkie with his pudding cup beard. Ain't he adorable?
So is he just going to release the entire snuff film instead? He better get with it, the new Harry Potter’s coming out soon.
Alright, don't post the pics. The Muslins will just get all bent outa shape anyway and try to kill more 'Muricans. Oh, right, they already do. But it's not because we killed their cousin at his wedding or nothing.
But the Deathers aren't gonna believe it til they see it, so I say "Release the DNA charts!" They not particularly gory, but they'll provide proof to anyone who had the sense to steal a lock of OBL's beard in the past and have it sequenced.
Then every wingnut troll on the internet will suddenly become a DNA expert and point out that a decimal point obscured by the photocopier proves that the whole thing is an elaborate forgery or some other such bullshit so thank you Mr. President for sparing us.
I'm guessing those will come out, but as G-aire points out, ain't gonna help with the crazies. Especially the variety who are still convinced 9/11 had nothing to do with bin Laden.
And it won't take a forgery claim, either – the OJ jury taught me no amount of science can compete with hard wired views.
OJ is gonna look for OBL's real killers.
Hair for a DNA sequence could've come from OBL's barber, some will say.
Yeah, the DNA evidence proved to be so convincing to the geniuses on OJ's jury.
The US is NOT going to release the Osama death photos, but they ARE going to release his bowling scores.
You're out of your element, Donnie.
Obviously you're not a golfer.
My buddies didn't die facedown in the dust in Mazar-e Sharif so this floozy could run around all over Abbottabad like nothing at all.
I think OBAMA earned at least two FUCK YOU's to use as he pleases this month. Well done Sir.
To leak or not to leak..photographs you perverts..
I find the current photographs of dead Osama difficult to masterbate to.
that wonkette challenge had better be followed by a blingee contest.
Oh, great! Now what's Sarah Palin going to put on her Christmas cards?
Death photos of Levi Johnston?
Dealth photos of Sheila Tripp?
Fucking Trig. Again…
Death photos of a certain masseuse
Same as last year–ultrasound shots of her daughers' uteri.
Her boy and his new Iraqi Shi'ite wife.
Maybe Barry learned something useful from the birfer bullshit. Releasing the long form stopped not one conspiracy theory – and in these days of Photoshop, the "is Bin Laden really dead" crowd will not be mollified. Then there's the little business of riots all over the Middle East to think about.
No – he shouldn't release the photos. It will serve no useful purpose and prevent us from sweeping it under the rug, which is what we're best at.
And you have the other end that claim that Bin Laden has been dead for years.
There you go, using rational thought. Why do you hate Amerika?
The only problem I have with this is that they haven't stated the real reason: Lynndie England was not available to pose with the corpse.
That's the thing that pisses you off. The same asshats that are claiming Obama must released the Bin Laden death photos are the ones that didn't want the rest of the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse photos released a couple of years ago, claiming that they would only encourage more terrorist acts.
Picture or no picture, the assholes that don' t believe it will never believe it. Look how the birf certificate worked out. 26% of the stupid country are stupid assholes.
That's an awfully low estimate, or are you not counting anyone who is only stupid OR an asshole?
This didn't take long:
SarahPalinUSA Sarah Palin
Show photo as warning to others seeking America's destruction. No pussy-footing around, no politicking, no drama;it's part of the mission
7 minutes ago
Tee-Hee
"pussy"
And the president should take Palin's advice because . . . ?
And pussy-footing sounds like it would be a lot more difficult and uncomfortable than just using hands; fingers are much more dexterous than toes.
For some reason I heard Eskimos rubbed noses. Oh well, when in Rome!
A BOOT TO THE COOCH
+10 World's Greatest Wonk right there. Congratulations.
All part of the mission.
I must have missed that part. Where in the mission statement do we promise a parade of dead bodies?
Sarah Palin: "When I'm elected, I will put bin Laden's head on a stake in front of the White House for all to see, as a warning to others."
"Sarah Palin: "When I'm elected, I will put bin Laden's head on a stake in front of the White House for all to see, as a warning to others.""
"And for $10,000, I will let you take a picture of me and the head-on-a-stake!"
Show photo to Rebecca Mansour of euthanized basset hound.
"it's part of the mission" LouSarah means it is part of emission; she gets her fapping jollies from such things.
Would that work with a photo of Sarah Palin with half of her skull gone? Or would it just raise her to martyrdom status for her loyal followers?
Would it serve as a warning to others? I'd think twice about getting a twitter account, for sure.
Would it have much effect on the quality of her thinking?
Anything is bound to be an improvement.
Leave it to Lou Sarah to manage to zero in on the one patently illegal and immoral* rationale to release the photograph, and claim that it's "part of the mission". But then again, wingnuts are pretty convinced that torture was "part of the mission," as well, Can we just leave at the fact that if these guys get back in office, America's going to be synonymous with thuggish, genocidal barbarians. Well, moreso than usual.
*Publicly displaying the war dead to confirm evidence of death or identity is somewhat of a gray area, but publicly displaying war dead to demoralize or intimidate enemies is rather explicitly illegal.
O sure, if you're going to start paying attention to Geneva conventions at this late date.
Right, I'm mostly just amused that she managed to zero in on the single WORST rationale.
It's like arguing that we should be okay with waterboarding, because we NEED to punish the terrorists, particularly in cruel and unusual ways.
SQUIRMISH
Shut up, Sarah. Shut up and go away, already. Nobody cares what you "think".
"Show photo as warning to others seeking America's destruction. … no politicking, no drama"
Right, because nothing could be quite so devoid of politicking or drama as showing corpse photos of a vanquished enemy.
in matters of state, always ask yourself what snowgrifter would do and then do the opposite.
Fuck the haters, Hopey. I've had enough war porn in the last 10 years. Besides, wikileaks will probably be dropping the video in 6 months.
Agreed 100%, plus I am really wimpy about blood and stuff and a movie is ruined for me if an animal dies in it.
I'm still in denial about Bambi's mother.
I am looking forward to his Bar Mitzvah pics nonetheless.
On one hand, not releasing the photos is probably the morally correct decision. On the other hand, it would make Fuck Toad look foolish if they did release them, which would be satisfying in it's own way. Man, this is a tough one.
Oh NOES! Where is your P?
Chuck Todd wields mighty p-power, apparently.
Not just edgydrifter – I've noticed several long-time posters with p at 0 today. It's odd.
Happened to me yesterday… it comes back in a few hours. I think IntenseDebate is sending some of our P-nesses into the shop for a tune-up and recalibration.
And his is now back, I see; it would be sad to see a guy's p-ness get cut off permanently.
P goes in, P goes out.
The head may be in many pieces, anyway.
Good. It doesn't matter anyways. You'll never convince the rightwing r33tards.
"For all I know , that piss was digital." : http://tinyurl.com/asx5qv
Maybe, if the video showed his grandma in the back saying "That's my baby" as he did it. Maybe.
glenn's drawing is a surreal examination of the collective angst bin laden induced in a post industrial world and draws on a rich history of artistic outrage at the human condition with references to masterpieces such as 'guernica' and 'the scream'.
Talk like that brings back fond memories of sleeping through my Art & Architecture History 201 class.
yeah, stay classy barry.
He is right. The Obama haters are just making themselves look stupid at this point. USA!!
At this point?????
I imagine it won't be long before we have an OBL version of this: http://www.amazon.com/101-Uses-Dead-Simon-Bond/dp…
Last hour Limbaugh had a caller –yeah, he let someone else talk for 30 seconds–and it went like–
'These liberals are ruining this country. In my day we'd take that guy and pull out his gold teeth and piss in his mouth and then we'd cut open his chest and take out his heart and cook it and eat it and when it was time to take a dump we'd lay it right in his open chest and we'd send the body to his mother, but with postage due, so she had to tip the delivery guy and if she complained then we'd ask to use the toilet and we'd lay a deuce in the upper tank so that later when she used the toilet—whoa, Mamma!!!
And people respected us."
I can only suggest stop listening to hate radio.
Yeah, I was in the car and I didn't feel like listening to "Sunny 104, your favorite soft rock hits, all day, every day," and there's damn little else.
We have a station like that, with the economy grade playlist that has oh, about eight songs. You can only listen to Sister Golden Hair and Hotel California so. many. times.
The other choices are the country equivalent, and a younger demographic oldies station ("the 80's, 90's, and today" {shudder}). So that's the worst of the hair bands and Lady Gaga. And whoever was hot on American Idol last year.
That's why God made public radio.
"Hotel California so. many. times. "
That is to say, once.
Freakish, who cut off your p-ness?!
Ah crap, my mommy called Rush AGAIN!
Sure they did – that's why African Americans still fear being alone in white neighborhoods after dark, particularly ones with wide branched shade trees. Respect.
That's a ridiculously elaborate revenge fantasy… props to the dude for his extravagant display of hate.
(Not really.)
"In my day…"
He used to wear an onion on his belt?
He can't bust chops like he used to, so he has to bore them to death now with pointless stories that go nowhere…
"First, we will make you eat those words. Then, we will make you shit those words. Then, we will make you eat your shit that you just shitted. Then, we will make you re-shit your shit that you just ate. Then…"
– Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
"You had postage?? When *I* was your age, we had to walk ten miles in the snow and *carry* the guy's body to his mother, and we were glad to *have* a dead guy… and do you know why? Because we *appreciated* things! Not like kids today with their walkmans and their myface… mutter… hell in a handbasket… rant…"
"Hooray transparency!"
Uh, Jack. No one promised you transparency on everything. That would be stupid.
If someone wants proof…let Osama prove he's still alive. Shouldn't be that hard. For him to do.
That's the thing with the deather idiots, just like with the birthers their conspiracy theory makes no sense. For one, if Obama made up the death for political gain, he wouldn't have done so at a time way too far before the elections to have any impact; for another, look at all the videos bin Laden has released over the years, if it was faked it would be pretty simple for him to prove it, and so it would be a really stupid thing to do.
What's strange is that the U.S. seems to be the only place that is worried about this. I've been watching Al Jazeera's nightly broadcast for the past few days and for the most part, the people I've seen interviewed are "Meh whats going on in Syria?"
I'm guessing that's because the U.S. is the only place that has racist assholes who will invent any excuse to malign President Obama, but that's just my theory.
Damn–who would have thought that my sloppy, done in a couple of minutes in Photoshop Express image would migrate from buried in the comments section to a real post by Jack Stuef?
Free p points for everyone! I am going to upfist like a motherfucker.
http://wonkette.com/444888/osama-bin-laden-a-life…
So when Julian Assange inevitably releases the pictures, the wingnut will find themselves in the uncomfortable position of having to support him; that should be fun.
I was gonna say this will come out – although my money's on a staffer of Steve King, r-Doucheland, who just has to show his buddies that he'd in on the cool news of the day.
What makes you think they're not doing that already?
Being originally from Redstatistan, I got to watch this amusing exchange between grade school pals on facebook, paraphrased:
"National unity blah blah leftists blah blah revenge blah blah I wanna see the corpse"
"I don't trust Obama, but if the SEALs say they got him, then I believe them."
"Hey, I hadn't thought of that. The SEALs wouldn't lie, would they? Thanks!"
Which is funny on so many levels, not the least of which is the fact that the Navy SEALs haven't released any such statement, but they need to believe it because after two years of trash talk on Obama, they can't bring themselves to admit they believe him about anything. So they conjured up this statement from a secret squad nobody even knows, out of their own imaginations. Cognitive dissonance averted!
And this is 100% the reason I won't touch facebook… I don't want to ever know what my school chums are doing/thinking/feeling.
Jesse Ventura was a SEAL and he would never allow himself to be involved in any shenanigans.
It sounds like the rationale that Obama is using is that it will upset Jihadis. Um, aren't jihadis already upset by definition?
So, they had the body, they took video of the raid and we get to see…. nothing. Way to fight those conspiracy theories guys. Changing the story about how he resisted us over the past 48 hours really doesn't help your case either.
I must have missed the part where we are supposed to take the government's word with zero proof offered about the fate of the elusive and mysterious terrorist mastermind, who has been rumored to be both alive and dead, who had an obviously fake double appear in the media claiming he destroyed the twin towers, and who was a CIA operative in the 1980's.
Only a Washington Beltway Insider or a rank partisan would think withholding any and all proof of what has been claimed to have happened is a good idea.
Sure some percentage of people will not be convinced no matter what… let the rest of us who have a well-earned skepticism of the CIA and the White House see what they have so that we can join the anti-conspiracy side in good conscience. So far we have nothing but empty words.
Except for the fact it happened under a Democratic administration, I'd agree. Wouldn't the Bushies have loved to fake his death?
That's the problem we face in a nutshell. The same people who are screaming loudest that we should take Obama's word for things would also be screaming loudest for Bush to cough up the evidence. I agree that I trust Obama far, far more than Bush, but, it's not like Democrats are incapable of the big lie (ahem, Gulf of Tonkin).
I get what you're saying and think it's right on target. I'm uneasy with the whole idea of 'trust us when we tell you what happened' without an iota of evidence. But then I ask myself, how much better would I really feel if they released the pictures and a stream of data regarding the so-called DNA findings? Would it help ease my suspicions, such as I have any?
It just feels true to me. Based on the timing, based on the realization that somewhere out there are the personnel who carried out the operation, based on the fact that al qaeda hasn't disputed the reports….based on all the bits and pieces of information that when taken together, cause a somewhat reasonable person to take their word for it, I guess.
I agree with you. I tend to believe what they are saying as well, but when they have video and pictures available and won't show them, and when they change their story about what bin Laden was doing when he was shot, it makes me queasy.
I want to take their word for it too, but maybe I'm too old, cynical, and know too much about the history of lies surrounding bin Laden, the CIA, and the war on terror in general to just happily swallow what I'm fed in this case.
They're just messin' with us. They know where they are politically now and they'd like to stay here for awhile. Why not milk it for a few days? Why not time the release to do maximum damage to the wingnut vision of tax cuts for rich folks and cat food for the rest of us? I'd be in no hurry to release them either. It's like in poker. He's got the nutz. When you have the nutz, you don't care what the rest of the table does. In fact, the more worked up they get, the better for you 'cause you got the nutz. Obama has the nutz. Eventually, we'll see them but there's no hurry.
I think you may be right. Leon Panetta just yesterday said that he thought that the pictures would be released. I think that would be the right thing to do.
If you can't bring yourself to believe Obama, Bush, and all past and present members of America's national defense team, you can ask Osama's family, or read statements from al qaeda and the taliban. Or you can wait for Osama to confirm his own death when he releases his next video.
If you want to see people shot in the face, you can search #Feb17 on Twitter.
Sure, and ten minutes later Cafe Press is selling t-shirts with the pics silkscreened on them. And the conspiracy nuts are scouring every pixel for evidence of photoshopping. The American people in general cannot be trusted to refrain from acting like a bunch of gloating, jingoistic, classless, paranoid assholes. It's one of the reasons we can't have nice things.
And for the record, I am neither a Beltway insider or a rank partisan.
All of the things you mention except scouring pixels are already happening.
I just think it will serve all of us better in the long run if we just provide the proof. It would be one thing if he died like Hitler in a blast. It's another thing that he died in our custody and we disposed of the body without any evidence offered. Witholding any and all evidence is going to engender distrust among potential allies in the mideast and elsewhere.
Listen up, Wonketeers!
I'm not much of anybody around here. I don't have a blue banner around my name, or a gigantic p-ness. But what I do have is a great deal of disappointment. Do we not save our downfists for the enemy? Is it not a general, unspoken rule that Wonketeer on Wonketeer violence is unacceptable?
Basically what I'm saying is that if you like it, give it a fist; if you don't like it, move on; and if its a troll, crush it.
Plus 100, iburl, I don't agree with what you say, but I'll fist to the death for your right to say it.
You're not the boss of me!
I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm happy either way. I'm rather used to being a liberal whose ideas are scorned by the average liberal web site commenter.
I was banned from Crooks and Liars for talking about the existence of Rick Perry's (now-abandoned) Trans-Texas Corridor plans several years ago, from what I've seen I don't think the Wonkette ban-hammer is coming for this sacrilege.
Limey Lizzie says it's okay, so you're in.
Not just people in the Middle East!
Witholding any and all evidence is going to engender distrust among potential allies in the mideast
Or maybe it will generate outrage among Muslims who might have disliked bin Laden but still are offended by the desecration of any Muslim corpse. And maybe our allies will think we're barbaric for displaying gruesome death photos and ask why we didn't learn our lesson about this kind of shit after Abu Ghraib.
But particularly at this moment in time, with many Americans still giddy, showing the pictures would be more about satiating blood lust then heading off any conspiracy theories. I'm betting the number of people who would fully accept the government's story after that would be very small indeed.
And Hitler wasn't killed in a blast. He shot himself and his aides burned his corpse. Supposedly the Russians later buried what was left of his bones, but it's debatable whether those were even Hitler's bones they found.
Well said, imissopus.
No, but you are smart and adorable and this was very well said.
Oh Lizzie, I am so renting a Nazi costume before your next trip out to L.A….
and maybe a course in Biarritz?
I was taught that gloating was impolite. I think the evidence, the statements, the lack of contradictions from others who would know, the statements of Osama's family members, etc., etc., are sufficient. I also think that the variations in the stories of how it happened are more convincing than if everybody had come out with a single statement that agreed in all details. (I worked as a trial lawyer for a while, and I can tell you that, if the statements agreed precisely on details–whether they came from witnesses, victims or offenders–they were prepped in advance and lost credibility.)
OTOH, I have no doubt that eventually these photos will leak. There are just too many sieves in any administration/government/committee. When they do (and heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the administration "strategically" leaked them), y'all can have your fapfest. Until then, I'm satisfied and I respect the decision of the President of the United States to be a grown-up.
Fake photos will leak, too.
I certainly agree with your skepticism, but I'm glad they're not going to release the pic. Am I really the only one who feels that America was at it's absolute worst when we were parading Saddam's dead sons up and down cable news? We're not that country, we are not those people. If seeing a picture of this guys bullet-riddled head is the only way that I'll believe that he's dead, then fuck it, I just won't believe.
You're not the only one. Let's try and show some gravitas, and the bottom feeders will have to get by without their death porn / end zone dance.
It's sheer genius: let the far-right jackoffs howl for the next 13-14 months. At some point, it will sink in among the thinking classes that OBL hasn't bothered to put in an appearance. By next November, the thought will have penetrated to perhaps the lower quintile on the IQ bell curve, which is about all you can hope for if Texas stays in the Union.
Obama's refusal to give me a bullet-ridden blood-stained unicorn just proves the PUMAs right once again.
Who could forget the touching scene when he gave the Kalashnikov to the winning troop of Osama Scouts for stoning the most adulterers in Kandihar? Special memories from a great life.
*cue soft-focus montage of memorable scenes with sappy piano music in background*
Is it Osama or is it Bill the Cat?
Ack!
Bar!
'n Jeff
Obama wont run the whole wingnut mile . Ideally, he should call a press conference and walk into the room with a mysterious black gym bag. When Jake Tapper asks if he's concerned about conspiracy theories that's when Barry takes out the surprise from the bag. "Does THIS look a conspiracy???" then shows the decapitated rotting head of OBL to the world. "This is a message to the world. DONT FUCK WITH AMERICA."
That'll win em.
Oh great, next he's going to tell us that we won't drag Hector around the Walls of Troy.
Followed by funeral games for Patroclus. Or pounding a few Coors Light at Ground Zero, whatevs.
Achilles? Major asshole.
Homer was greater-souled than anyone in the USA and didn't have good guys or bad guys, just opponents.
I liked the Sit. Room on the "West Wing" better.
I say just give the nay-sayers the latitude and longitude and a snorkel.
And lead underwear.
Good call, Barry. As I tweeted earlier: meh, if you've seen one dead terrorist with porcine genitalia sewn inside the mouth, you've seen 'em all.
President Barack "Killa" Obama does not want the fruits of his cold-blooded extra-judicial murder on display. It's scarier if the children just use their imaginations. Now let's see those drawings! This should be a class project for every elementary school in Americanistan.
For the last frickin time…it is not an "extra-judicial murder"…he was an enemy combatant in an armed conflict of an international character. He was a legitimate military target. Killing the enemy is sort of the whole point of combat.
But think of the internet memes the photo could provide? Won't somebody think of the LOLCats?
All your Abbottabad mansion are belong to us.
Sumwun'z at teh door, BRB.
seals don't have thumbs, you insensitive bastard. All they got are flippers, and it just isn't the same.
Seriously, what happened to your imagination America? Just picture one Real Housewives of [Insert City here] and bam! You got your gross image of what a dead body might look like.
OMG! You are soooooooo right!
Chris Matthews congratulated the Prez for his cold-bloodedness here: http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-matthews-oba…
I'll bet this sent a tingle (or something) down Chris's leg.
Maybe he's tired of all the useless wannabes he has to put on his show all the time. I know I would be after a while.
And this proves Obama is morally weak.
Then Human minds will just have to cope using logic for once.
logic dictates that the CIA lies for a living, every single day.
Are they in cahoots with Osama's daughter and the Pakistanis and Obama and Cheny and Bush who all say's he's one dead skinny arab?
Of course. Human minds are evolved to believe ridiculously complex conspiracy theories.
I'm not propagating conspiracy theories, I'm trying to prevent them where we can.
But publishing the pics will just fuel conspiracy theories from everyone who will line up to claim that the pics are manipulated. Just look at the moon landings.
Obama, Cheney and Bush are all CIA assets, not sure about the 12 year old :)
Of course they're all in cahoots. Were you born yesterday, or what?
I depend on "my" the wonket to keep me abreast (wipe that dirty thought out of your mind) of the latest wingnut conspiracy theory. My imagination isn't nearly good enough to allow me to guess where the wingers will go next. I hope that by responding to you, I don't that guys pee.
And so do all the other intelligence agencies.
Human minds are evolved to stick with their tribe, no matter what the evidence, so it doesn't matter.
Lots of people will drive out of their way to see the carnage of an auto accident.
I try not to look at the gore, but usually end up doing so, and wow, I wish I wouldn't have.
Kind of like going into a portapoty to wizz and saying I'm not going to look in the 2 hole.
DAMMIT!!!!
This explains the popularity of NASCAR and why I try not to watch Glen Beck.
Leontius, son of Agalaion, had the same problem while walking up to the city walls from the Piraeus. He noticed the bodies of dead criminals hanging from hooks on the walls, and wanted to look, but resisted, and finally gave in and looked. He said (speaking to his eyes): "There you are, curse you! Feast yourselves on this lovely sight!" (Plato, Republic, Bk I (rough recollection).
How could anyone downfist a quote from Plato? Philistines!
I think the odds of a downfister here having the slightest idea who Plato was, is, well, non-existent.
I've only seen the downfister's shadow on the wall.
They probably thought you meant Play-Dough.
It was the ghost of Aristotle.
He'll do it in 2 1/2 years, after he's won the fuckin' election again.
Maybe it will be his October surprise.
Mama Grizzly wants to get her war fap on, and Barry is clit-blocking. Extra points for suggesting Hopey is a pussy.
"There appears to be a difference of opinions among politicians in both parties about whether this is the right course of action. Among Republicans, House Intelligence Committee chairman Mike Rogers argued that the pictures should not be released.
"I don't want to make the job of our troops serving in places like Iraq and Afghanistan any harder than it already is," Rogers said. "Imagine how the American people would react if Al Qaida killed one of our troops or military leaders, and put photos of the body on the Internet."
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), ranking member of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, disagreed. She suggested that a proliferation of bin Laden death deniers might make it necessary to release proof at some point.
Likely Republican Presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty likewise says the photos should be released to put conspiracy theories to rest."
Mike Rogers, though a Rethug, has it right. Just imagine a photo of a slain McChrystal, Petraeus, or other such dude on T-shirts in a shop in Kandahar or Baghdad. We'd go ballistic. Besides, anything recommended by T-Paw is automatically put into the "another stupid" file. Susan Collins? She slipped on this one but is still toward the (very small) top layer of Rethugs.
Wasn't it during The Battle of Fallujah, where the Iraqis hung the corpses of dead Marines from a bridge?
If I remember correctly, the wingnuts were calling for leveling the country in nuclear Hellfire for that.
I thought they were mercenaries. Same reaction though.
"Likely Republican Presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty likewise says the photos should be released to put conspiracy theories to rest.""
Bwahahahhahah! Like it did with the birfers? Because Lord, yes, they all sat right up and apologized for ever doubting President Obama, the Republican health Director in Hawaii, the Republican Governor of Hawaii, etc. Thanked the President for clearing up that little spot of misunderstanding.
Oh wait, they didn't. Stuck their crazy into the Conspiratron 5000 and came up with newly buffed and polished proofs that the "long-form" is fake.
If the decision is ever made to release the photos, please let it not be for a completely stupid reason.
That woman ceases to amaze me with the disgust I feel for her. Yes, fine for her to say release the photos, while she's sitting a billion miles away in snowland. But not fine for U.S. soldiers who would likely face a bunch of pissed-off nuts enraged over a photo that half the nuts won't even think is real anyway. I can't think of anyone with worse judgment than her, even my goldfish would think twice about this.
She's showing as much concern for her son who's "fighting them over there" as she did for Trig when she was galavanting around U.S. airspace in labor.
are you kidding? Dead Track = profit. it's not like her vagina hasn't been plentiful……..and having a martyr in the family……priceless
Not a trophy. Unlike Saddam Hussein's pistol which Dubya sleeps with under his pillow.
Available evidence notwithstanding, Americans are supposed to be better than the torture porn faptards, conspiracy theory ratfuckers, and ignorant anti-Obama assholes to whom the release of Osama bin Laden's not-so-Glamour Shot© would predominantly appeal.
Fire-up Saw VII or CSI or the entire fucking Internet if you're in such dire need of intellectually and emotionally empty catharsis, closure, and gore.
Motherfucker is motherfucking dead. Move. The fuck. On.
And quite honestly, I'm tired of the likes of Bible Spice forming the debate in this country. Like someone else posted, I would prefer Barry hand Bible Spice a snorkel and swim fins and tell her "You want proof? Got get it yourself, bitch."
"…Like someone else posted, I would prefer Barry hand Bible Spice a snorkel and swim fins and tell her "You want proof? Got get it yourself, bitch.""
Almost. Barry is too busy to give that brainless velociraptor the time of day. Find the lowest ranked administration flunky, and have them put out a general release telling everyone that the President is too busy Presidenting to deal with silly things, but that it is the flunky's considered opinion that anyone who wants proof should get a snorkel and some goggles and hop to it (right after the area has been seeded with baby sharks, of course).
Oh woe is me in that I have only one upfisty to give you.
Thank you. I need not try to reply.
Damn. Who knew having some dignity would come back and bite you in the ass?
Idiotic British-sounding reporter asks Carney in Daily Briefing: "If, as Obama says, bin Laden is not an Islamic leader, why would these photographs inflame anybody?" (paraphrase).
Where do they come up with these people? Is there an open call for jobs for people who can come up with stupid questions that have the obvious answer contained within them? Cuz if there is, I'm applying.
"Where do they come up with these people? Is there an open call for jobs for people who can come up with stupid questions that have the obvious answer contained within them? Cuz if there is, I'm applying"
Yes. But unfortunately I think applications have long since closed.
Based on memories of the Bolivian army parading Che Guevara's corpse, and the dead faces of Saddam's sons on many newspaper front pages 8 years ago, not to mention the quasi-public hanging of Saddam himself, I'm just peachy with not having yet another probably even more gruesome image permanently embedded in my brain.
Revenge is satisfying, but it takes a real man to say, "The killing stops here."
10 Wonkette buttsecks coupons say it will be leaked. This way it satisfies the curiou and Obama can say it want official US policy to act like that
Actually, as I recall, bin Laden was an honorary Bush and he and W. played together as children.
And held hands.
And blew up frogs together.
So did they plot the 9-11 attacks together?
Also, expect Osama parts to start showing up on E Bay in 3-2-1 Now. If I get my target price of $100k for the scrotum, I'm going to be looking to buy a brown hairless one. So you might want to keep that in mind.
I hope he can get his deposit back from Olan Mills….
Right because nobody could fake a picture of someone with a face that is unrecognizable after being blown to hell, especially not the US government.
The people who want to see for themselves are deluding themselves that it's about proof. They mistrust the government but will believe a photo (one of the easiest things to fake)? Especially a photo of a man with a face that looks like hamburger? Yeah right. I'm sure they will all just say "Oh yeah, that looks like a pile of goo stuffed down a shirt but I believe the government now".
Pretty much the only evidence that would hold up would be the actual video of it happening and even then, as JFK showed, that isn't a guarantee.
Exactly. So many people saying what i tried to say upthread, but so much better than I did.
Oh, they accept science enough to fly on planes and take medicines. They just don't think that the more esoteric stuff–like what might have happened before their own lifespans–should be accepted as reality, especially if it disagrees with the Book of Genesis. You'd think that the National Weather Service's failure to refer to floodgates in the vault of heaven would cause fundagelicals some angst, but they seem OK with weather reports for some reason.
Yeah, but which Genesis fairy tale have they settled on? The one where the Invisible Guy in the Sky makes animals on one day, and man on the next (Genesis 1), or the one where man is made first, gets lonely, and the animals are made to keep him company (Genesis 2)?
Now that I think about it, that latter version may explain where the whole goats-and-sheep thing comes from. I'm going with Genesis v2.0 on the basis of this evidence alone.
Oh, it's fine when the Bible contradicts itself. Both stories are true.
As George Carlin said, "It's a Mystery" covers anything that doesn't make sense.
I have a feeling the death certificate will play out like the birf certificate…
Pictures or GITMO!
The President's decision not to incite the Arab world or make OBL a martyr in the interest of satisfying that faction of Americans who made an issue of his brith certificate for three years demonstrates that his emotional intelligence is on par with his towering intellect.
Can you imagine the Wasilla Snowbilly demonstrating such maturity? Were she in the White House, she would be handing out coffee mugs with the snuff shot on them by now.
No she wouldn't. She'd be selling coffee mugs with the snuff shot on them.
The Afghans and the Iraqis have plenty of other reasons to keep on fighting.
Smart decision–not only because of the security concerns, but because as we saw with the birthers, evidence does not matter to the Truly Committed. Sane people already accept reality as reality, and the nutcases simply look nuttier the more they yell.
Hell, releasing the birth certificate may have had an inoculation effect–most people, given the reality of the birth certificate, said, "Oh, OK. there it is. Those screaming people sound kind of silly now."
The morons will never believe him no matter what he does so fuck them all with Godzilla dick
Not to be pedantic but I think Godzilla was female- remember the babies in the newer(crappy) movie. So it would have to be Godzillla's baby daddy dick.
I stand corrected
How about Mothra with a strap-on?
What are Gamera and Rodan doing this weekend?
Nor do lizards have dicks, I believe; they rub butt-holes together, like birds.
Have G. step on them.
Matthew Broderick did not kill Godzilla. He killed a big, dumb lizard that was *not* the real Godzilla.
Bams is just workin' it. The photos will eventually come out. He's just setting the expectation bar low. The media will let it go after a couple of news cycles and return to their pre-Osama is dead narratives. ZMOG! Deficits! We'll all pretend to give a shit about our long term fiscal situation for a day or two, Republicans will return to their insanity about trying to hold the debt limit hostage and that's when he'll drop those photos. It sucks to be a wingnut in Washington now. If I were them, I'd hop in my private jet and head back to the swamp or whatever god forsaken red state I came from.
Sarah the snowbilly cunt has tweeted that Obama should release the photos as a "warning" to our enemies, that he is "pussy-footing around" and that releasing the photos is "part of the mission." This is the most despicable of a thousand despicable things this shrill heinous cunt has said. I hope she gets stomach cancer and dies a painful death. And her screams of agony are videoed and streamed over the internet and people gather in gleeful Sarah Palin Death Celebration Parties and laugh and toast her pain and death.
You forgot to add, "…as a warning to others."
Besides us, who listens to this trailer trash bitch??
Every drooling goober in the country?
I second that motion, there is no reson to release the photos. The right wing nuts still believe that torture yielded bin laden. BS
"Sarah the snowbilly cunt has tweeted that Obama should release the photos as a "warning" to our enemies, that he is "pussy-footing around"
Given her choice of words, I think it would be karmic justice if somebody "pussyfooted" that loudmouth bitch, i.e., kicked her in the cunt.
Sure, he says that now.
Just wait two years until the Glenn Beck crowd has had time to make a new website and Orly Taitz has had time to file 345,434,765,756,567,342 new lawsuits against the government and the conspiracy is at a fever pitch, and then he will release the pictures.
especially if she did it in a grainy sex tape with Karl Rove and Chris Christie
The sight of Osama's rotting corpse is starting to sound pretty good now…
"a grainy sex tape with Karl Rove and Chris Christie "
Rush Limbaugh wants in on that.
I do not need revenge porn.
I hear ya – but Sarah's panties are up inna bunch…she, for one, wants a deposit in her spank bank.
No public release. Show the pictures and other evidence to selected Congressional leadership, and perhaps key journalists, and call it a fucking day.
Some staffer of a Republiklan Congressman will get his/her hands on the Osama Death Photos and release them.
Some staffer of a Republiklan Congressman will get his/her hands on the Osama Death Photos and manually release to them.
Adjusted for factuality.
That was not meant to be phallictual statement.
If they're going to show anything in public, let it be those selected persons barfing up lunch after viewing those photos.
Sounds like you're calling for maturity, mister!
Gaaagggh…need mind bleach, stat!
THIS. And case in point.
His bio says he speaks conversational German.
Oh sweet baby Jesus!
Speaking of pictures …
Ooh, I must check this out.
If y'all are going to start fapping like maenads, we can has liveblog?
Sure!
POTUS: “we don’t need to spike footballs”
VLOMBARDI: " when you score a touchdown, act like you've been there before"
That's my main reason for not releasing the photos- it's not that it will "put the troops in danger" but that it's tacky
Yup.
I think you meant Irish "coffee."
By not releasing the photos, Obama is allowing right-wing retards to predictably manufacture a false scandal that will accomplish less than nothing for the right by alienating independents and keeping Obama's major accomplishment in the news cycle. If those idiots had any sense of reality they would drop this shit pronto. Obama is a political matador.
Who cares if it's not acceptable to loons? Let them look like idiots, like they did each time a birth certificate was published. What's the harm in sunlight?
In my opinion, we need to do an "unlawful Cambodian style" incursion into Pakistan and clean out that rats nest. It's only a matter of time before they allow another one of their dogs off the leash, next time they will incinerate an American city with a suicide nuclear belt bomb. Pakistan is controlled by a psychopathic islamic cult that WE just keep giving money to. I know I might sound like a right wing lunatic here, but trust me on this one. If they didn't know UBL was there, that would be a unprecedented level of incompetance.
Dad?
Sorry, never had any kids, but if you think that the end of the Al-Quida story, guess again. Ayman Zawahiri was the operational planner of 911!!!!.
Widget, just want to say I totally loved you in all those old beach movies.
gee thanks. I'll take that as a complement.
I take it you guys (gals) have been shot at and shelled in Afghanistan, Aye? Or is it the Democrats don't serve in the military?
No! I think the US should stop trying to rule the world and just leave everyone else alone. Wall itself off from the rest of humanity like Ming dynasty China, if need be, but leave the rest of us alone.
Um, I keep seeing varying phrases of this concept today. "We're visual, we need pictures."
How convenient, all of a sudden we need pictures. And yet, photographic evidence of anything was not available until about 150 years ago.
Pictures prove nothing in the age of computer editing. Those who doubt that he was killed will not be convinced by the pictures , either because they think the pictures are faked, or, because they know they could so easily be faked.
Those who doubt but are willing to be convinced, will weigh all available information about the timing, the people involved, statements from credible observers and so on. It won't be because of an easily faked photo.
And, I am not suggesting that the government is not capable of pulling a fast one on the citizenry at all.
But some of the reasoning for demanding the pictures comes close to "If you don't show me the pictures, then that is a clear indication that you are covering something up." False logic there, because it implies that there cannot be a good reason to not show the photos.
I'm not saying "If you don't show me the pictures, then that is a clear indication that you are covering something up."
I'm saying that some people would be turned away from conspiracy theories if we did provide some evidence of some sort to somebody outside of the CIA/White House. The middle east is awash in conspiracy theories involving the USA already and the president's stance will not play well in those mindsets.
Before photography, they would leave infamous criminals nailed to crosses or with their heads on a pike for the community to witness.
"Before photography, they would leave infamous criminals nailed to crosses or with their heads on a pike for the community to witness."
The faces wouldn't be recognizable for long.
An alternative was to cage them in a public place for a couple weeks, *then* cut their heads off with 20 strokes of a saber.
Before photography — and more to the point, widely distributed media like newspapers and television — the faces of even infamous criminals weren't known to the general public. "Wanted" posters can only convey so much.
"Pictures prove nothing in the age of computer editing. Those who doubt that he was killed will not be convinced by the pictures , either because they think the pictures are faked, or, because they know they could so easily be faked. "
Some sort of evidence = It's a fake.
Tons of meticulously detailed, incontrovertible evidence = It's a fake that everybody in a huge conspiracy put in a great deal of planning and effort to make really, really convincing.
'E's passed on! This terrorist is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-TERRORIST!!
ALBATROSS!! ALBATROSS!!
D'you get wafers wit' it?
If you want anything done in this country, you've got to complain 'til you're blue in the mouth.
Who will take his place in the 2-minute Hate?
He's only resting. Lovely plumage, that one.
The plumage don't enter into it, e's stone dead!
Not pining for the fjords, is what you're saying?
Come on, wonkeratti. Where's your sense of HI-larious irony. Think of the snark we could spin at the imaginary shit that boring old fucks could find, proving the ghoulish picture of OBL was photoshopped.
Seriously, they took Barry out of a photo of him with his grandparents but left his knee in. This one could be priceless. Birthers, Deathers, Republicans. What's the difference, really? They're all a bunch of worthless assholes.
I never said a picture would be any and all evidence. I said that the administration is withholding any and all evidence, and they are. The thing is, I'm not claiming a conspiracy. I tend to believe the story. That's because I like Obama. People in other countries that have seen what the CIA does in their own countries may have a higher bar of evidence than just "Trust Me".
The Republican dick on Hardball was giving credit the Bushies credit. Tweety asked if this risky mission had gone wrong, would they also be taking credit? Must have surprised the dick because he couldn't answer .
OK Don't take it from me, take a look-see at this. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201…
Remember, wonkeratti: just thumbs down the trolls and resist replying, lest you contribute to their pee and counter the negative vote.
Why are there so many of them around here these days, anyway? Did done of their hysterically screeching conspiracy overlords send them?
Between the birth certificate and OBL, they're temporarily at loose ends until they get their next brain virus/marching orders/whatever.
I would have liked a chance to scamper in real quick before they disposed of his smoking corpse to sop up some of those yummy brains and blood in some French bread and then run all the way home squealing wee wee wee!!! to serve it up to my little piggy family!!! But Obama didn't let me. Or anyone else either. What a shame. That fucking Bolshevik black guy!!!
Oh no, another version of the story is out!!!
At 1am the SEALS land their helicopter in front of OBL's house.
OBL opens the door and invites them in to join a game of scrabble he is playing with his oldest son and his two trusted couriers.
OBL's wife asks if the SEALS would like coffee. They say yes and she goes upstairs.
One of the SEALS asks "was that DECAF"? OBL says "I'll go and make sure it's DECAF" – when an argument breaks out among the SEALS over what kind of coffee they want. Shots are fired and the couriers and the son are dead.
SEALS follow OBL upstairs where they find out he's out of sugar and only has SPLENDR. They become enraged and shoot his head off.
"they find out he's out of sugar and only has SPLENDR. They become enraged and shoot his head off. "
I'm pretty sure that's justifiable homicide.
Several members of the congress have seen the photograph and none are expressing any doubt. Only Lindsay Graham (R-Closet) thinks it should be released, and he actually has a cogent argument for it. Wrong, but it has a little substance, at least.
The wingers want Pres. Obama to take a lesson from Vlad the Impaler.
I would just like to note that my 1973 Impala has vanity plates reading "VLAD"
FOX Newzz is going to hold their breath and turn blue until the HNC produces the photo.
Don't you dare show it
they ARE ALL IN a TIZZY.
I can't wait until there's a Republican in the White House again so Fox News will go back to believing everything the government tells us without question.
Sounds like Official State Television. (Hey, maybe Murdoch has a long-term plan…)
badge of honor I'd say
We need to remind the rightwingers that they have never, ever seen photographs of the body of murdered Jesus H. Christ, yet they believe beyond any and all doubt that he died for their sins. Checkmate.
Let's all just settle this like the civil Americans we are… Bin Laden Pub Crawl coming to a city near you.
6 months from now whatever is left will have been pretty well nibbled by the fishies.
"I have a new crush, this intelligence officer is crushing Dck Cheney's "
Hopes?
Dreams?
Skull?
Nutsack?
I mean, there is just no way to end that sentence without making me a happy girl.
I'm a girl, so no actual P-ness. I have to slake my penis envy with my imaginary Wonkette P-ness.
Well you're almost at the point when P turns dark green; just eat some more asparagus.
Oh shit, you're right.
Forget what I said, everybody!
What I'm saying is that 1% of people don't believe in the moon landings. If the government claimed to have pictures and videos of the moon landing and never shared them with anyone, not even the press, what do you think the percentage of moon-landing doubters would be? More or less than 1%?
That's why God made iTunes. (He just thinks he's Steve Jobs.)
Yes, I wish I could get it to come in. Occasionally in the car until the radio went out, but never in the house.
Sigh.
Well, I was in Viet Nam, while George the Conqueror was a drunken deserter, while Cheney had better things to do, while Dan Quayle protected the mimeograph in Huntington, while Rush Limbaugh pretended to have an anal cyst and Pat Buchanan pretended to have flat feet. Good enough for you?
I still think the US government should stop making enemies everywhere. Go back to the old-fashioned small military.
Just read the last paragraph of this post:
http://wonkette.com/444508/barry-obamas-donnie-da…
Oh, and fuck yourself.
So, according to that logic, it was completely wrong for Barrack Obama to go into Pakistan and get Osama bin ladin. Look, I am with everyone here on 99.5% of the real issues facing America but now you have labeled me a troll. So once we decode the computers Osama had and find out that the Pakistani "Junta" is behind these monsters (or at least hiding them) then what? Al Qaeda is not a one man operation. What do you think the outcome would have been if we told Pakistan what the plan was to capture/kill Bin Ladin in advance?
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