Have these people lost hope or something: “Protesters interrupted President Barack Obama at a campaign fund-raiser on Thursday to complain about the treatment in detention of a U.S. soldier accused of leaking documents that appeared on the WikiLeaks website,” Reuters reports. Come on, don’t mess up his fundraisers. How’s he supposed to get the billion dollars necessary to run against some semi-random GOP nobody next year?
Every time we commit the Thought Crime around here of criticizing Barack Obama’s policies, people remind us that he’ll still have 94% or whatever amount of the Democrat/Liberal vote, so who cares what he actually does as president? This concept depresses us nearly as much as everything else going on, but we do have to admit the basic truth of it.
We remember all the liberals were upset with Clinton, with his “welfare reform” and the general corporate/defense policies we’ve come to expect from all presidents, regardless of affiliation, over the many decades. And yet Clinton — with an assist from Perot, but still — easily beat Bob Dole and Bob Dole didn’t like that, the end.
But we also remember 1999, the Battle of Seattle, Ralph Nader and Pearl Jam selling out stadiums, WTOGTFO, all that stuff. The pre-9/11 world when labor union members and globalization protesters walked arm in arm, romantically through the streets of Seattle. We remember outrage and disgust about all the same things that are happening and accelerating today. And while it took an assist from the Republican Supreme Court to plant Bush Junior in the White House, that would’ve been impossible had Al Gore pulled off a solid win.
What presidents do as president actually has an impact not only on policy, but on the electorate. When might Barack Obama start “acting liberal” to motivate enough voters to get him over the edge? One true thing about Barry O is that he doesn’t waste his energy, and it’s probably equally true that he could do a lot of nothing between now and September 2012, and still roll out that massive machine at the last minute and make it all count.
Then again, the world is ending in December 2012, so it’s not like he’s going to serve another term. Nobody is serving anything, terms or otherwise, once the Cow Demon rises from the Bottomless Pit and snuffs out humankind with a billion clouds of hollow pain. [Reuters]
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Liberals whining? Surely you jest.
Stop calling me Shirley.
Oh please, we've so moved past whining. We're on to full blown kvetching at this point.
Conservatives whining? Surely you jest.
If I have to tolerate this "Well, who else am I gonna vote for?" pile of sadness, he'll have to tolerate the heckling.
I'd say something about needing a viable 3rd party, but the teabaggers have left too sour a taste in my mouth for that (<-FUNNYTEABAGJOKE).
That, and our winner-take-all election system means there can never be a viable third party.
The was the pekoe of the darjeeling.
Be sure to buy your Ken Layne brand vegetable slicing and wrist slashing Santoku knives! Only 49.99! Glides through tomatoes and your fleshy wrist (the long way) without mess!
YAY! Is the wonkette store opening again?
Genius way to make up for all that lost Papa John's ad revenue!
Barack Obama makes Bill Clinton look like Noam Chomsky.
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In the sense of being wrinkly and old, yes, Clinton and Chomsky do share a certain family resemblance.
Barack Obama makes Annie Liebovitz look like Noam Chomsky.
Barack Obama makes [white person] look like [other white person].
Fuck you. I look nothing like Rush Limbaugh.
haha, she does indeed
Not quite. All the Clinton crap-NAFTA, Security "Modernization" Act, deregulation- caused the problems we have right now.
Barry really has some catching up to do to be worse than the Clenis.
Then again,that whole health care reform thing actually getting through Congress and into law makes Obama look significantly more competent than the other first black president.
The irony here is that I'm sure you're furious that Obama hasn't undone DOMA and DADT.*
Oh yes, and Clinton oversaw the implementation of the PROWRA, and the elimination of the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program and JOBS. Then he ran on "ending welfare as we know it", just to rub it in. Oh, and then there was NAFTA and the war in Kosovo, the continued bombing of Iraq, and ignoring the genocide in Rwanda. I could go on, but you get the idea.
This is the problem with people not knowing history older than their underwear. They lose all sense of perspective.
*And DADT did get overturned! I'm really just including that because I'm sure you are angry that the military is dragging it's feet, and blame Obama for that too.
Hey just because the choices are President Obama and whichever stupid teabagger-pandering Laffer-Curve worshipping creationist xenophobe the GOP decides on doesn't mean we can't bitch and moan about things he does for the next two years.
Amen, brother! Sayit!
Life would be less enjoyable if I had to pretend to enjoy it. (Here. Other places I do pretend to enjoy it, because…..oh, well, I seem to have gone off topic.)
hey guy! what if Gary Johnson gets the GOP nomination*? Dude wants to legalize cannabis! Sounds good to me.
*I realize this will never, ever happen.
"“Protesters interrupted President Barack Obama at a campaign fund-raiser on Thursday to complain about the treatment in detention of a U.S. soldier accused of leaking documents that appeared on the WikiLeaks website”
Cause shit like this would've never happened under President McCain's watch.
I *think* the point is that we expected such things to happen under McCain's watch, and so we voted for someone else.
True. Though he did keep his promise of closing Guan…wait…
"How’s he supposed to get the billion dollars necessary to run against some semi-random GOP nobody next year?"
If the little people aren't going to donate anymore, he might have to start cozying up to Wall Street and Big Corporations. They might have some money.
They do have some money. Our money, but who is paying attention anymore.
good call. and terrifyingly sad.
Citizens United took care of that regardless. Now, candidates can totally bypass the general electorate for campaign dollars.
But we also remember 1999, the Battle of Seattle, Ralph Nader and Pearl Jam selling out stadiums, WTOGTFO, all that stuff. The pre-9/11 world when labor union members and globalization protesters walked arm in arm, romantically through the streets of Seattle.
Dude, I totally do. I was there! I was sitting in Hot Mama's Pizza eating a slice of tomato basil and garlic and watching the papier mache puppets go by. Man, does that bring back memories…
Oh, and, uh…Obama sucks or something. That's what we're talking about, right?
Went to your link, and now I'm all, like, salivating.
Nobody is serving anything, terms or otherwise, once the Cow Demon rises from the Bottomless Pit and snuffs out humankind with a billion clouds of hollow pain.
So you're saying it'll be Bachmann?
No one knows the time and date of the Cow Demon Rising. (Shh: It's Dec. 12, 2012. And it's Sarah Palin.)
I figured the Cow Demon was referring to Justice Thomas' heaping helpin' of vanilla puddin'.
I been bugging Barry about my boyfriend Bradley for a while now.
Now they shipping Bradley off to Kansas, away from his friend David and his legal team.
Bradley gonna need even mo' money now.
So are you saying that the problem is not that Democratic presidents fuck us over, but that we have learned to like it?
I still don't like it.
A problem is that Democrats try to reach a consensus by adopting some Republican ideas, while Republicans try to reach a consensus by destroying any opposition to Republican ideas. Subtle difference.
Sometimes Democrats adopt Republican ideas (i.e. RomneyCare/Obamacare/Bob Dole's basic health care plan from 1996) and then Republicans disown them.
A prez with real executive experience would ship the protesters to Gitmo.
Why is he throwing gang signs?
You know why. Go ahead its OK say it.
That's "hang loose" in Hawaiian. When the hand's turned the other way, it looks like a penis and two testicles. Ha ha!
brah
Because he's the consummate very, very urban gentleman.
Ah, the "Battle in Seattle". Jello Biafra & the NO WTO COMBO.
Jello Biafra, common man. Jello Biafra, businessman.
He's an owner. Alternative Tentacles doesn't stop being capitalist because the guy who runs it sticks rosaries up his nose.
Kinda hard to get excited about a Republican running as a Democrat….while the GOP field is filled with xenophobic, racist, fear-mongering fuckwads. But I guess I can always take a clothespin to the voting booth so I don't have to hold my nose.
"Then again, the world is ending in December 2012, so it’s not like he’s going to serve another term. Nobody is serving anything, terms or otherwise, once the Cow Demon rises from the Bottomless Pit and snuffs out humankind with a billion clouds of hollow pain."
There you go, Ken. The power of positive thinking triumphs once again.
"Now, where was I?" the somewhat flustered president said after the group stopped. "There's an example of creativity."
Bush the Lesser would have had Xe thugs neuter these folks with a rusty can lid.
Your pref, Mr. Layne?
My "pref" is that the Democrat president not hold soldiers in solitary forever because they leaked some diplomatic cables.
Bush the Lesser would have had Xe thugs neuter these folks with a rusty can lid.
The soft bigotry of low expectations strikes again.
I'm generally one of those "hey cut Barry some slack" people, but I must say I'm glad he was heckled, because Ken's right–Obama is going to win in 2012, and depending on how crazy the other side gets, he might even win even bigger than he did in 2008, by a margin of 15 million votes, and 400+ EVs.
So, between now and then, we do need to start making him understand that we expect more from him in the future, that fine, he had to save the economy and all that, but now it's time to really turn up the heat. Blasting the Paul Ryan budget needs to become the rhetorical norm for the next 18 months, not an outlier.
Yeah. I can't think of a better way of communicating that than heckling and sulking.
Actually, that kind of outlandish behavior gets quite a lot done in Washington. Just look at the summer of "death panels" when some crazy teabagger would heckle a congressman in a town hall, and that became "mainstream opinion" in many congressmen's minds.
I think the president's done a tremendous job and really deserves a 2nd term, and I'm going to work for and donate to his campaign. That being said, he does need some cold water on the face from time to time.
Oh wait a minute, I actually think Private Manning is a traitor, not a patriot, so scratch all that, maybe?
So, do you also think psychological torture of a suspect before they go to trail is just fine and dandy?
No I don't. This is not cool and needs to stop: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/opinion/15tue3….
So I'm glad Obama was heckled on the TREATMENT of Manning. But, I also think that he's a criminal, not a freedom fighter.
It gets nothing done in DC. The Teabaggers aren't getting what they want because of their retarded protests……the politicians are using the teabaggers idiocy to whip their base up into a frenzy. In the end, they give two shits what the baggers want……they just need their votes.
I'm supporting improvement in my life, not a sports team. So why not criticize B.O. when he doesn't deliver?
i'm giving you 'p's' because i want to believe it's going to be a cakewalk.
but i don't think it will be.
If he doesn't want to listen to people complaining about his policies why doesn't he put those protesters in "Freedom of Speech Zones/fenced in pens" like G.W.?
Fuck it… like most "sports fans" I know… I'm just gonna root for whoever is winning toward the end… Go Trump… oh wait… Go Bachman… Go-Bama… Whatever the machines want is good enough for me.
*Gah*, great horn-y
toadsscars!Why isn't everyone a vegetarian yet? And why are we still fighting wars? What about the homeless? Are all guns destoryed?
Yeah Barry, GET ON IT! This is ALL YOUR FAULT
"..And think of the Children. Won't SOMEONE think of the CHILDREN?"
-Helen Lovejoy-
Remember investing in the children? Big mistake. We've created a generation of super criminals, and midnight basketball taught them to operate without sleep.
That's terrifying. And so are the children loitering around my local public school.
That's why we need to get rid of the public schools! Or maybe the children.
Then again, the world is ending in December 2012, so it’s not like he’s going to serve another term.
Look at you. Always the optimist.
Bradley Manning is a political prisoner if ever there was one. Yes yes, habeas corpus died at Guantánamo, but Barry of all people might still remember that a person accused of a crime is entitled to see the evidence against him and to have a speedy trial. Here's a reminder: under the Uniform Code of Military Justice it's called an Article 32 hearing. William Calley and Jeff MacDonald got one, fer chrrissakes.
Can't really think of anything funny about this, sorry. All hail those who keep rubbing Barry's nose in it.
word.
No snark intended…..I haven't heard his lawyers complain that the Article 32 is being delayed unreasonably, though I have seen their Article 138 complaint. Is there something I missed here?
Not a lawyer, so have been talking way above my knowledge here. Sending a check to couragetoresist.org helped, though
lol. I'm not a lawyer either. I was just curious if his lawyer was concerned about the time it was taking to get an article 32 hearing.
I am really kind of torn on this issue because, if he isn't a complete lying SOB, and I can't assume he's not, the Brig Commander at Quantico might have a small point in his favor. Manning's lawyer claims knowledge of a meeting where the Commander claimed to be holding Manning in Maximum security to prevent him from coming to harm in the general population. I can almost understand that. But then he also used this to justify his suicide watch and POI (prevention of injury), which I find to be completely stupid. They're pretty obviously punitive in nature. Anyway, I can't say there's zero chance Manning wouldn't be hurt by other prisoners……even the criminals in the military have a strong pseudo-patriotic streak. I really hope transferring him to GP at Leavenworth doesn't endanger his safety. I'd hate for it to be worse than holding him in solitary for almost 8 months.
Also…..am I the only one a little uncomfortable with comparing Manning's treatment to prisoners at Abu Garaib?
Liberals and leftists, listen to me! We make fun of Republican cannibalization of RINOs because it shows cracks in their otherwise solid union of libertarians and religious nuts.
Protesting and bitching is great, but ideological purity at practicality's sake only gives the well-organized right lots of ammunition. If you want change on the left, find a way to organize and be stronger than corporate interests. Don't fracture into mindless, single-issue interest groups marked by infighting like we did in 1999 and 2003.
Way too reasonable.
This implies that Ralph Nader is bad, so you should feel bad.
1968?
BTW–I agree, but think they could do a little better with the leftist "base."
# WORD UP
Our leaders need to be disciplined. We've been letting them get away with murder for way too many decades.
But according to the Breitards, we're all a liberal hivemind and worship Obama!
Chrissy called Birtherism (jesus, we've even turned it onto an ism) the new religion of the right. That's how stupid those people are.
well to be fair, i don't know what to think til i read wonkette.
That's not how you throw the shocker, Barry. Thumb-fist-pinkie won't get the job done. Wait, actually… it just might.
I don't come here expecting the political insights of a Nate Silver, or the policy expertise of an Ezra Klein, fortunately.
Well then you are at the right place.
Well, shit, I do. Now I feel like a fool.
♫ ♪ Mister, we could use a man like Alan Greenspan again..♫ ♪
Is he doing a parody of that "Harold, call me" ad?
Is it my work computer or is Wonkette going a bit slow?
I'm so used to countering the trolls, I gave you a thumbs up for that question, and now a response. You're welcome.
Well, he ripped off everybody else in the Dead Kennedys, so he has that Kochism going for him…
Yeah, talk to East Bay Ray and the others, they'll tell you what's his business.
I have a sneaky suspicion that the day after he's elected for a second term, we're gonna see a new dude who will finally feel free to tell people to kiss his black ass.
I have thought that all along, he's doing what he has to do and then he will just cut loose.
that is my favorite fantasy….a big powerful black guy with nothing left to lose.
Took the words right outta my mouth (I was also going to say "closet liberal coming out of the closet, kicking ass and taking names.")
And please, God, if you exist, give us a Dem congress again. And a solid majority of Dem senators who aren't blue dogs. You can leave some of the doggies in place if you like, just as long as there are at least 51 actual Democrats, too.
Amen.
I would LOVE that. Grows out the 'fro again, starts wearing black turtlenecks, paints the white house BLACK, puts all the Wall Street people in solitary with their underwear on their heads, uses the last of the bombs to blow up the Pentagon, etc.
Well it would make a cool graphic novel, anyway…..
Sounds like you need to read Chester Himes' novel "Plan B," stat. It'll cheer you right up.
Putney Swope II: The White House Years
(Make it a musical. Why not?)
Didn't the NRA already publish that one?
From your mouth to Allah's ears.
Wish in one hand, pee in the other, see which one fills up first.
Not that I don't wish that, myself,but isn't that what everyone says about every president's second term?
Yup. And it never happens.
Imagine Vice President Palin.
Yeah, ok.
I used to have a big Obamaboner. But, then when I finally saw him naked, I noticed the sagging breasts, the unkempt vaginal region, the cottage cheese paunch. I was forced into the bathroom where I sat on the toilet feeling somber thinking, "This is the best I'll ever do." Then we had butt sechs.
Is that a secret Muslim hand signal? Or is he trying to hook up with some chick in the audience ("Call me!")?
BREAKING NEWS: "Goldilocks Heckles Bear"
(In all seriousness, that Manning shit is pretty fucking far from "just right".)
As long as they keep the giant puppets away, I'm okay with the heckling.
well at least we can find solace in imagining what it would be under President McCain , i mean, Sarah Palin
Showing a little love to the unions wouldn't hurt him any. If any group has the right to feel betrayed, it's the unions.
Still, when Barry smiles that smile, I feel the love all over again.
And while I'm on unions, I was a tougher negotiator in my business agent days. Or maybe it was because I was young, attractive and had a cute accent, way back then, that I won some, er, concessions from management.
(That is such a joke. I quit drinking at the same time and became the prude I am today. Just a thin, cute prude).
Makin me hot in retrospect.
Jesus Christ on a Cracker!
Remember when every Republican had their head so far up George W. Bush's ass, they knew what he ate for lunch?
Democrats just don't know how to goose-step like the Republicans do….
Every time we commit the Thought Crime around here of criticizing Barack Obama’s policies…
Feeling a little- wait. Scratch that. Feeling especially melodramatic today, Ken?
"if I hadn't detesticled him"
so really the perfect symbol for liberalism in America.
Hey, if you have no balls, nobody can have you by them. Seems reasonable, no?
Party on, Barry!
I like your cool cat attitude and whatnot, but torturing one of our soldiers is a pretty big fucking deal. You're a lawyer, dude.
That being said, it's time to do some of the things you said you were going to do so we can feel good about defending your policies.
Is the President a vending machine?
If he is, he is like one with an exploded pepsi jamming up the chute. Full of promise, but ultimately frustrating and disappointing.
Difference is if you try to stick your hand up his hole and get what you asked for, a secret service guy tackles you.
He might be one of those Japanese models. Has anybody tried to get used girls' panties out of him?
I know I'm one of the "LEAVE OBAMA ALONE!" folks around here, but, I'll surprise you, Ken, and say… I think it's perfectly acceptable and appropriate for people to protest him. They're not demanding to see the birth certificate, they're expressing their displeasure with a genuinely bad policy of his. Even if he's the best we've got, and, IMHO, pretty good besides, doesn't mean we can't, or shouldn't, criticize him. I just think a lot of the leftie criticism is unfair and, frankly, whiney. Speaking of…
"Every time we commit the Thought Crime around here of criticizing Barack Obama’s policies, people remind us that he’ll still have 94% or whatever amount of the Democrat/Liberal vote, so who cares what he actually does as president?"
Jeez, Ken! What some nice cheese with that? Some FRENCH COMMIE cheese?
With a bottle of French Commie wine.
The treatment of PFC Manning is just stupid. Treat him well, but don't let him anywhere near the Internet. Presume him innocent like any other accused person. Find him guilty in a fair trial. THEN throw him into a 4 X 6 cell with no contact with anyone other than his lawyers for 20 years. Instead of being forgotten in two years, people are going to want to make his birthday a fucking national holiday by the time this is over. STUPID!
"Now, where was I?" is kinda fitting epithet at this point, for the Prez's term
Manning's Article 32 hearing is supposed to come up in May, and they're moving him from the Quantico brig. Supposedly the delay has been caused by Manning's attorney more than the prosecutors.
Norm Mac Donald's SNL spoof of Bob Dole's response to questions about Bob Dole was always hilarious because Bob Dole wouldn't understand. Or maybe it was Bob Dole pretending to be Norm MacDonald pretending to be Bob Dole.
Oooooh, poor Wonkette, you allowed your true selves be seen and now everyone is pulling their ads.
Must suck to be you.
Or you.
In the photograph at the beginning of this article, President Obama is giving the mysterious Hawaiian "shaka" sign, which is used by persons with a 50% or greater Hawaiian "blood quantum" to greet other persons with a similar blood quantum, in Hawaii. This signal is usually accompanied by the rhetorical question, "Howzit, brah?"
Another lame attempt by our Kenyan overlord to establish native Hawaiian credentials. Any real 50% blood quantum Hawaiian would recognize him for the hapa popolo (half black) person he is, and would reply with the traditional Hawaiian challenge to violence: "Eh! You like beef?"
Re pic: Hang loose or hang separately!
Anyway, I think part of the problem is that communist voters, just like the fascist teabaggers, tend to focus on the federal elections too much: Barry gets elected, gets a Democratic majority in both houses, so everybody can roll over and go back to sleep, secure in the knowledge that Everything Will Be OK.
And then when "our man" in the federal government can't or won't do anything, there is a hue and cry, a rending of garments, but nothing productive happens. Nobody says "This was still a good idea, we should try to implement this at the state level!" For example, it might only be a symbolic gesture, has anybody asked yet about whether homosexuals can openly serve in the state militias?
Bullshit Supreme Court rulings? Those aren't exactly new. The only difference is that, once upon a time, people did shit about that. The Fourteenth and Sixteenth Amendments are direct results of a national "WTF!?" reaction to the Supreme Court. Or again, what about individual state action? Has anybody looked into taking a hammer to the Uniform Commercial Code so that it says "when a business incorporates, they don't become a 'person' in that way?" I'm certainly no lawyer, but asking these kinds of questions seems more productive than some self-aggrandizing hipster YouTube protest that everyone forgets about in a few weeks.
But no, we have Change and Hope, nobody has to actually care about their gubernatorial elections.
Maybe this another reason to repeal the Seventeenth Amendment. Aside from neutering the Senate, it would make people have to actually care about state politics again.
(Yeah yeah, I know, tl;dr)
To be fair, Clinton didn't need Perot's help to beat Dole. He (barely) got more votes than both of them combined.
This.
"the world is ending in December 2012"
Or May 15, 2011, if you believe Harold Camping!
The hand sign is "6" in Chinese hand signs.
Good for them. He needs to hear this.
Don't censor me, bro!
No, but seriously, whoever is on right now that deleted my post needs to know that that was a dick move. If you're going to start treating regular posters as regular trolls, that just compounds all of the other problems striking the site as of late. The last thing we need to be doing is turning on ourselves. If you're a sympathizer or member of the group I snarked about, than have the balls to reply with an argument (or snark) about how off my post was instead of being sneaky about it, okay?
And the Republicans have been accused of eating their own? Bon appetit.
Fuck off, troll.
So I started reading "The Best and the Brightest" a few days ago. Most of the first 40 or 50 pages are a history of JFK's election in 1960. Some interesting quotes:
"(The Kennedys had) a vague suspicion that liberals would rather lose gallantly than win pragmatically" (which sounds like the mirror image of the teabaggers today).
"The true liberals…sensed that he was too cool, too hard-line in his foreign policies, too devoid of commitment…so devoted to rationalism instead of belief that even his first biographer…had angered the Kennedy Senate staff…by suggesting that Kennedy would never risk political defeat on behalf of a great moral issue."
"Ever since he gained the nomination in Los Angeles, Kennedy had changed: he did not need the liberals that much; they had nowhere else to go."
"President Kennedy was faced with that great gap…between the new unbelievable velocity of modern life…which can excite desires and appetites, changing mores almost overnight, and the slowness of traditional governmental institutions produced by ideas and laws of another era, bound in normal bureaucratic red tape and traditional seniority."
I've got too much of a headache to type a long argument, but the gist is that these comments were made about a Democratic president 50 years ago, and they're being made about one now. We could argue for months about what that means, but it strikes me that in fifty years the true liberal wing of the Democratic Party could have figured out a better response to a moderate president than pouting that he's not liberal enough.
This is not to say we should not pressure Barry about our strongly-held beliefs and issues that we're concerned with. And I think the way Bradley Manning is reportedly being treated is shameful. But as people have argued here many times before, Barry's up against some pretty immovable objects and it's easy to lose sight of that, and lose sight of the things he has done. Maybe if we talked those up, that would give him some momentum, rather than giving the less engaged the impression that even his own "base" has given up on him because he hasn't done enough to make them happy.
And maybe these types of protest tactics like these folks pulled today are so theatrical they obscure the seriousness of the issue and make the protesters look unserious, and someone needs to think of some other ways to get the point across that a cool-headed pragmatist like Barry would listen to.
Thanks, man.
Thanks for this comment. No one will read it, and fewer will head it.
Some folks just want to hold on to their fantasy of what (half) Black president should be – nothing else will do.
OT: New avatar "as seen on TV". Are you on TV? (I was on TV … well, on the TV. Then I fell off. No injuries.)
No, just get a kick out of the image. As though being on teevee lend authentickity to anything, ha ha.
Obama sucked in 2008 before he became president, and he sucks even worse now. Call the tea party people whatever you want, but at least they weren't STUPID enough to vote for him.
Your avatar says otherwise.
So, guilty before being proven innocent then? sheesh.
The whole case relies on the anonymous internet chat with a psychopath and Wired magazine!
So, why the torture? Trying to get Bradley to sell out Julian, just like high school.?
Haha, I'm not on a jury, I have literally zero say in his fate. So I can think whatever I want about him.
Your understanding of the case is based on an anonymous internet chat with a psychopath and Wired magazine. Perhaps the government has a little more evidence, maybe?
I also think American Idol should be cancelled. I can't even make that happen!
If they "had evidence" they'd probably "have a trial". But instead they keep in naked solitary confinement for over a year.
But you know, maybe it is best to rely on a "perhaps the government knows best" philosophy when dealing with all controversial issues regarding right and wrong.
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