And Now, Ohio Moves To Destroy Unions

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From Reuters, the latest in your class warfare battle updates:

An Ohio House committee on Tuesday passed a bill that would restrict collective bargaining rights for about 350,000 public employees and ban them from striking.

The bill was modified to remove jail time as a possible penalty for workers who participate in strikes and to allow police and firefighters to collectively bargain for safety equipment.

Oh, how liberal of the Republicans who passed this thing, removing imprisonment as punishment for strikes. [Reuters]

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94 comments

    1. Lionel[redacted]Esq

      Don't worry. What are they going to do? Go on strike for a bullet proof vest or a respirator? Let's see them try!

    1. user-of-owls

      Seems more like tape-your-hands-in-a-laissez-faire-fshion-so-the-machinery-can-more-efficiently-dismember-you situation, but that's just me and my hyphens.

  1. PublicLuxury

    Collective Bargaining. What most miss is the bargaining. They trade things. So in order for firemen to have the needed safety equipment to reduce the risk of their job they HAVE to trade something for it. They have to bargain for it.

    Teachers may have lower premiums to pay for health insurance but they had to BARGAIN to get it. They gave something, maybe a shorter lunch break or had to add more after school duties . . .

    The republicans are the greediest cocksuckers on the planet.

    1. MadBrahms

      "Bargaining" is also a stage of grief – one we seem to have moved past in our slide toward depression and acceptance (and depressed acceptance).

  2. smokefilledroommate

    Unions are pretty much responsible for obtaining safety equipment to fucking begin with. Oh, the disgusting irony. Yeah, let's return to the Gilded Age.

  3. pukebot

    snark off. go for it you fucking pussies, show your true koch sucking colors and facillitate a wave of true liberal primary challenges on the left when people finally tire of punk ass vichy "democrats" who only care about cocktail parties and rubbing liebermans crotch on meet the press. snark on.

    how would jail time for prison guards work in practice?

    1. Cicada

      This isn't being supported by any of the Ohio Dems. Quite the opposite. The Dems haven't even offered amendments, and instead submitted 65,000 signatures from people opposing the bill. And no Dems voted for this.

      This "compromise" is actually just the Republicans trying to put a shiny coat of paint on a turd. Too bad it still stinks.

      1. Andrew Drinker

        Up until now, the only thing that got Ohioans here worked up was just seeing the colors blue and yellow being worn together. So hopefully people are finally waking the hell up.

        Too bad we don't have a gubernatorial recall process we can go through like they do in Wisconsin.

      2. horsedreamer_1

        Better than the Infinite Fiat Power* which the Fitzgerald Gang & their Stooge, Walker, are claiming.

        *Debate team joke.

  4. Fukui_san[$ df -k]

    Wait, no collective bargaining and no striking? So the unions can do what? Bake sales or some shit, I guess.

    Republicans just seem to hate everyone who actually tries to do some fucking good for society.

    1. GOPCrusher

      And they really hate anyone who expects to be treated like a human by the people they work for.

      1. Fukui_san[$ df -k]

        Top Caste – billionaires

        Useful idiot caste – teabagging politicians

        Middle caste – top 10% of wage earners begging scraps from the top table

        Poverton caste (aka indentured servants) – everyone else

      2. MadBrahms

        On the contrary, India actually has positions specifically set aside in government and education for the historically disadvantaged (dalits and "backwards castes"). You'd never see a republican offer a spot to the poors.

    1. Come here a minute

      You know we don't do good news around here. The working man is screwed, full stop.

    2. SmutBoffin

      The Walker admin. is still pretending the ruling didn't happen. They just want to pretend like they are in control, if only for a news cycle or two, the residents of WI be damned.

          1. Barbara_i

            These are vulgar times brought about by vulgar people who would like us all to pray at the drop of a hat, carry every conception to term and accept substandard working conditions and wages for the backbone of this country, nurses, teachers, firefighters, the police, etc.

            When the shit hits the fan and I call 911, I want a competent, well-educated person to arrive, driving a vehicle that wasn't put together by a man who was on the 20th hour of his shift. I'm a fancy gal like that.

      1. trampndirtdown

        Got home and checked my email. From my brother the librarian.

        Sent: Tue, Mar 29, 2011 12:43 pm
        Subject: well the did it, stillwater pub. library budget slashed 25%

        Hello all,
        Our Budget was just slashed from $1.2 million to $900,000. We now have to cut 25% of our budget. What does this mean? Not too hard to figure that out, but less books, less hours, less internet, less workers, less newspapers, less databases, less
        If you could and wish too, please let city council and or mayor that you think this is a terrible idea.

        Also, parks and rec was cut a 6%
        Police was increased 4%
        Fire increased 4%
        IT dept increased 1.5%
        Human recourses increased 0.4%
        All other departments were either cut a little or stayed the same
        Parks and rec and library were cut in order to give the rest of city budget about $1,000,000 to spend on cops etc
        There will be a public BUDGET METTING this Thursday at library (ironic huh that they are meeting in a meeting room and at a time that in the future will probably not be available because of the topic of the meeting, just love irony)

        Hover to pause, Click for next article
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        § Let's Talk Stillwater: Budget 101 slated for March 31

        (STILLWATER, OKLA. / March 24, 2011) — On Thursday, March 31 the City of Stillwater Community Relations Committee will host its first "Let's Talk Stillwater" session, entitled Let's Talk Stillwater: Budget 101. The event will be held at the Stillwater Public Library from 6:30-8:30 p.m.
        The featured speaker will be City Manager Dan Galloway to provide education and background information on the city budgeting process and the cost of running the city. The presentation is to prepare citizens for a companion session called Let's Talk Stillwater: Budget.
        Let's Talk Stillwater: Budget will be held at a date to be announced later this spring. Two members of the Stillwater City Council and members of the Community Relations Committee will invite Stillwater residents to a public discussion about Stillwater's budget.

        Here are mayor and council:
        Chuck Hopkins, City Council City Council councilorhopkins@stillwater.org
        Darrell Dougherty, City Council City Council councilordougherty@stillwater.org
        Joe Weaver, City Council City Council councilorweaver@stillwater.org
        John Bartley, City Council City Council councilorbartley@stillwater.org
        Nathan Bates, Mayor City Council Mayor@stillwater.org

        1. natl indecency cmdr

          I would just like to say, I love the so-called "Red states". Like our President said, once, "The interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart." Take care, Oklahoma. Wisconsin stands with you.

          1. imissopus

            We went through the same shit with the public libraries here in L.A. last summer. All 72 branches are now open only Tuesday – Saturday (37 1/2 hours total), plus a lot of workers were fired. Gotta keep that populace stupid.

    3. GOPCrusher

      I hope Scott Walker takes that one last step over the precipice and ends up in jail for contempt of court.

  5. EdFlintstone

    I sure hope a corporate tax cut was passd with this. It won't be long before all corporate tax rates are in the negative. As Jon Stewart pointed out last night, GE's tax rate with their 3.2 billion tax benefit was -60%

  6. Hatrabbit

    Well, if the free market economy says "Fuck you, I like poor-houses." who are we to argue with that?

  7. weejee

    according to the Wikipedia
    compromise: to make a deal where one person gives up part of his or her demand.

    This is clearly the Rethug definition. Note that in this definition only one side gives and the other takes, not some namby pamby compromise where each side gives a little. No siree.

    The Rethugs are screeching that elections have consequences which distills to a simple "FUCK YOU, we won and we will ram as much shit down your throat as we can!!!!!"

    Really do hope the D'Rats are taking notes for when the worm turns. Then when the D'rats are using ViceGrips™ to obtain "compromises" from the Rethugs, if one of the bastards complains, then call it treason and ship his or her ass to Gitmo.

    ***Pant, pant….my rant is over, pant, thank you for your patience***

    1. KenLayIsAlive

      "First they came for ACORN, and I said nothing, Then they came for the unions, and I said nothing, they came for the rank and file Dems, and still, I said nothing. And when they finally came for the Democratic leadership, I jumped into my lobbyists private jet and moved to Dubai."

    1. GayInMaine

      Um…no. Hate to say it, but no white shoes before the break out of hostilities, per Emily Post.

  8. Guppy06

    Now, I'm no legal expert, but if a union can't collectively bargain, doesn't that mean they also can't collectively bargain away the right to strike? When does "thou shalt not strike" run afoul of the Thirteenth Amendment?

    And how can you have a valid labor contract if one side can't negotiate?

  9. SkinnyNerd

    No need to state the obvious here, but it's good to have sources to cite. Here's a little article mentioning how broke states cut taxes too much (particularly on the wealthy).

    Oh, and these comments are supposed to be somewhat funny. Okay then, from the article:

    The tax cuts were supposed to stimulate Ohio's economy and create jobs. But that never happened once the economy tanked.

    Hahahahaha

    1. weejee

      Nice link Skinny. Problem is the die hard conservatives aren't concerned about budget short falls, they aim to "kill the beast," and one way is to starve it. They'll maintain emergency services, police & fire, but if public schools go to hell and a hand basket so what, their kids go to private schools. They want to kill Tommy Hobbes' Leviathan dead, dead, dead.

      1. Fukui_san[$ df -k]

        Bam, you nailed it.

        Reagan's budget director (David Stockman) is on record as saying that their first budgets were designed to run up the deficit in order to justify spending cuts later. Purely ideological, trying to kill the new deal.

        “The plan,” Stockman told Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan at the time, ” was to have a strategic deficit that would give you an argument for cutting back the programs that weren’t desired. It got out of hand.” link

        What does David say now? He basically says that the GOP has fucked the economy, the US budget and continue doing so

        However, they just can't and won't stop doing it, because they've figured out that it's a huge fucking votespinner with pre-rich Joe the Fucktard types.

    2. fuflans

      actually last week (week before?) economist had a couple articles about how our recent downturns were at least partly a result of states cutting too much.

      that always impresses uncle ley in my family.

    3. EdFlintstone

      Excellent link, I liked the first paragraph…….In his new budget proposal, Ohio Republican Gov. John Kasich calls for extending a generous 21 percent cut in state income taxes. The measure was originally part of a sweeping 2005 tax overhaul that abolished the state corporate income tax and phased out a business property tax.

      See Ohio corporations are just like people(citizens united), except for the paying property and income taxes part.

      1. GOPCrusher

        And Illinois just raised taxes, and the Wingnuts wailed that all the companies would leave. Still haven't seen that mass exodus that they promised.

  10. smokefilledroommate

    Honestly, at times I'm so exhausted with all this shit & snark doesn't come easily..
    [*knock knock* Canada? Please excuse my hot angry tears of frustration. I'm a refugee from Arizona. Will you have me?]

    1. GayInMaine

      I now realize why they made passports essential for travel between Canada and USA. Not to keep turrorists out, but to keep us from fleeing.

  11. Negropolis

    When the fuck are we, again? The 1910's? I, for one, do not welcome our old-is-new-again robber-barons.

    Honestly, now can we call it class warfare, or is America still too uncomfortable with that? Do they remember why we have recognized unions and collective bargaining and shit? You know, because the torch-and-pitchfork crowd was getting restless? Don't they realize when you take this away you're kind of inviting that time back to the present and future?

    I mean, I know they want to take us back to the Middle Ages, but did they really forget how that ended up working out of the kings/dictators? Yeah, not so well.

    Yo, the ghost of Marie Antoinette would like a word with you guys. And, I think you better listen pretty closely…

      1. Fukui_san[$ df -k]

        Eh, what? Let them eat pop-tarts until unemployment insurance runs out, and then there're minerals in mud.

        Now excuse me, I need to get my spare Mercedes out of the shop. Damn thing's GPS got stuck on "race to the bottom".

      1. Negropolis

        Good point. "The severed and reanimated head of Marie Antoinette" would have been a more appropriate description.

        Imma let you finish Tea Party, but the French did the best revolution of all modern times, yo.

    1. GOPCrusher

      It's only called class war when we fight back.
      I especially find it humorous that they claim that anyone that speaks out against the Corporatists and their Repuliklan lackeys are the ones that are provoking class war.
      Its the same logic that they use when they use terms like "Democratic plantation" to claim that Democrats use the Blacks to press their Communist Agenda.

  12. metamarcisf

    Bargaining for safety equipment is a basic right and often involves slipping bags of hundred dollar bills to GOP legislators in exchange for essentials like brass knuckles, blackjacks and steel-toed shoes. Plus, striking workers no longer have to worry about prison after having their heads busted in union demonstrations. If you haven't noticed, the origin of the word demonstration is 'demon'

  13. proudgrampa

    I don't even recognize what planet we seem to have landed on.

    Like Ken said elsewhere, the working class people who voted Republican last November are getting what they fucking deserve.

    Not that the Democrats are a bargain.

    We are really freakin' doomed.

    1. Pres[ $ rm -r * ]

      It always amuses the fuck out of me that Limpballs uses that song as his "theme". A song about the destruction of industrial America used by a Rethuglican radio show which celebrates the people who brought about that destruction… irony, amirite?

  14. OurHoboSenator

    But all snark aside, this is awful.

    There's no practical hope of stopping the bill in the legislature now. The only chance was a few weeks ago when it went through the Senate the first time, and almost enough Republicans were peeled off to defeat it. Unions are gearing up for a referendum to overturn the law. If Kasich signs it before April 6, the referendum will be on the ballot in 2011, which the Republicans want. If he signs it after April 6, it would go on the 2012 ballot, which they don't want, because it will help drive turnout for Obama and Sherrod Brown. And by "turnout," I of course mean ACORN! Voter Fraud! New Black Panthers!

    Incidentally, the teabagger GOP mediocrity who sponsored this bill, Shannon Jones, who was previously most well-known for getting called out for tweeting excessively during Ted Strickland's last State of the State address, is the State Senator for the district where my saintly Democratic parents live. *And* their federal rep is Jean Schmidt! Sigh.

  15. hagajim

    ♪♫ Kochsuckers and Dicks are coming..
    The Unions are one their own…..
    This summer I hear them coming,
    The assholes in Ohio ♪♫

  16. Gopherit

    Collectively bargain……for safety equipment?

    "Do you really need oxygen tanks and masks for EVERYONE? Can't you share? It really seems like a large expense."

  17. lochnessmonster

    Doesn't surprise me. Remember when W sent our soldiers into Iraq without armored vehicles or other lifesaving equipment? Typical Republican behavior.

  18. Janinthepan

    After the vote the State Highway Patrol were told by the Speaker to remove protesters from the House Floor balcony.

  19. ttommyunger

    Well, Lehman Brothers wasn't a Union Shop when the Guvernator drove it out of existence. I'm not sure I'll miss Ohio; after all, they voted Kasich into power, soooooo…

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