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Wisconsin Assembly Votes To End Collective Bargaining


  • After three straight days of debate, the Republican-controlled Wisconsin Assembly passed Scott Walker’s erotic union-busting fantasy earlier this morning, “before sleep-deprived Democrats realized what was happening.” The bill now heads to the Senate, where it will probably stay for quite some time, since Senate Democrats are still eloping in Illinois. Anyway, here is what happened, according to the Associated Press: “Debate had gone on for 60 hours and 15 Democrats were still waiting to speak when the vote started around 1 a.m. Friday. Speaker Pro Tem Bill Kramer, R-Waukesha, opened the roll and closed it within seconds. Democrats looked around, bewildered. Only 13 of the 38 Democratic members managed to vote in time. Republicans immediately marched out of the chamber in single file. The Democrats rushed at them, pumping their fists and shouting ‘Shame!’ and ‘Cowards!'” (Please consider donating to our friends at the Wisconsin-Madison Teaching Assistants’ Association, so that demonstrators can continue to “eat food” and enjoy other communist entitlements.) [AP]
  • The Air Force awarded Boeing a $35 billion contract to build a “flying gas station,” the end. [The Hill]
  • Meanwhile, 2,000 teachers will receive termination letters in Providence, so that the city will have “maximum flexibility to make budget cuts” for the upcoming school year. [AP]
  • Murderous CIA psychopath Raymond Davis appeared in Pakistani court today, where he was “handed documents that detailed the case against him.” Davis will be formally charged (with murder/trying to provoke a nuclear war) on March 3. [CNN]

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    1. Redhead

      The school board in Wake County, NC (which was featured on the Colbert Report for trying to re-segregate its schools/impose "neighborhood schools" to the dismay and legal challenges of the NAACP) had a vote shortly after several of the new, conservative, pro-neighborhood-school people were sworn in. I forget exactly what it was about, but it was more than just "motion to adjourn." They specifically stalled the actual vote until one of the anti-neighborhood-schools people got up to use the bathroom and then called the vote while that board member was in the bathroom.

    2. Banelm

      Do you realize how much money they are being payed to look bewildered? 'For another mil, I can look like a stunned duck' It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.

    1. Natl_Indecency_Cmdr

      you can tell it's democracy because it happened at the middle of the night while some legislators were still waiting to speak.

  1. DaSandman

    This shit is always circular. Gov Walker (R-Dildo) may think he has the upper hand but new elections are always coming. Plus, he will literally have to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life for any number of reasons. But a small price to pay, I suppose, for the approval of the Emperor Koch.

    The bigger they are…

    1. mereoblivion

      And, as Bogey puts it so succinctly to Elijah Cook, Jr: "The cheaper the crook, the gaudier the patter" (as in "Just as Reagan brought down the Berlin Wall by crushing the ATCU, I will go down in history as the hero who saved the Wisconsin taxpayer," etc etc.)

    2. Texan_Bulldog

      From your keyboard to Karma's ear. I think the bad Grecian Formula job is payback number 1, but he needs to lose a testicle due to a pissed wife or a dog attack–hey, you guys only need one to function.

      1. Progressiveinga

        Payback #2 = male pattern baldness
        Payback #3 = nasal discomfort – he always sounds as if he needs to hock a serious lugie. Not very presidential.

    3. PsycWench

      Walker should take a tip from the last Harry Potter book, where it becomes clear just how far Voldemort's approval gets you.

    4. mourningnmerica

      No, no. Not circular. Spiral. They take big chunks of Democracy and the left looks on. The very mechanisms of Democracy are being disabled. We are headed toward totalitarianism.

  2. Oblios_Cap

    The Air Force awarded Boeing a $35 billion contract to build a “flying gas station,” the end.

    Things still seem to be going swimmingly for the military-industrial complex.

    War Pigs rule!

    1. Weenus299

      To refuel, among other things, 800-year-old B-52s on their around-the-world nuclear bombing missions, no less.

      We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know wheeeeeennn….

      1. jqheywood

        Somebody better go back and geet a shitload a' dimes….

        Oh wait, wrong Slim Pickens movie. Sorry about that.

      1. user-of-owls

        They can get energy out of manure, right? So my idea is, you round up one Fox listener and/or T-Baguette for every plane in the fleet, then…

        1. gef05

          Side note: I grew up on a farm and am well-versed in "cow pat defense technologies."

          The best ones are lightly crusty and dry on the outside, but when they explode the wet contents fly everywhere.

          1. Sophist [APPLESAUCE]

            "Spade?" It's a "Manual Multifunctional Fecal Projectile Ballistic Launch System (Man Portable)." We are talking about the military here.

    2. OneDollarJuana

      However, since the contract was going to be let in any case, it's good that they awarded (for once) a defense contract to a US manufacturer instead of outsourcing every goddam thing in the country. Like our missile control computers to the Chinese that Clinton did.

      1. V572625694

        Engghng, Airbus had proposed token local content at a plant in union-free Mobile, whereas Boeing is headquartered in Thug Central, for reasons that now seem eminently reasonable. Yea for Chicago-style politics!

    3. BerkeleyBear

      This contract has taken something like a decade to be awarded. First, Boeing got caught blatently cheating by Northrup and the Airbus people, then the government contracting agents screwed up in their assessment of the rebid in favor of Northrup/Airbus (probably because they were pissed at/burned by Boeing) so a protest board threw out the second award, then Northrup pulled out (meaning the Airbus bid was tainted as Euro only even though the planes would be built mainly in Alabama) and Boeing won this round. Airbus was expected to win, so look for another round of protests.

      Beyond the Three Stooges re-enactment, the one really cool part is this is a giant plate of cow pies for Jeff Sessions and the rest of the assholes in the Alabama delegation who've been carrying water for the Airbus bid. Couple this with the loss of the F-35 alternate engine for Boehner's district and you have some serious karmic retribution shaping up.

      1. Lascauxcaveman

        It's only right and proper for aircraft to be built in Seattle. So anyway, happy ending for the economy of Jet Town. Wichita, too, probably.

        1. emmelemm

          Yeah, as long as the fueling tankers are going to get built anyway, they may as well get built here. Then Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell can say, "Look! Jerbs!"

    4. GOPCrusher

      Not sure why we need a whole brand new tanker. When I was in, they were testing converting DC-10's to tankers to replace the KC-135. And 35 billion? That'll just get them through the design phase.

  3. Beowoof

    Worker's rights are so 20th century. They just don't fit with the new global economy. After all you should be willing to work for 59cents an hour. Its a job and may just be enough to buy food for one, when living under the bridge. Although, this time of year in the North such as Wisconsin, I do believe those under bridge accommodations are filled with all sorts of wonderful folks.

    1. OneDollarJuana

      And workers working for slave wages are so much better than actual slaves. Jeez, with actual slaves you gotta find food and shelter for 'em. With workers working for slave wages they gotta do the whole survival thing at no cost to you!

    2. GOPCrusher

      That falls under the "Workers are greedy" meme. If those teachers were real Americans, they would quit suckling off the government teat and start their own schools where they could compete for the right to education our children by submitting bids.

      1. ChessieNefercat

        Wait, I thought the cool thing these days was no-bid contracts. Or is that only for war profiteers and the Koch bothers?

        1. horsedreamer_1

          That's why the IAFF has been marching in Madison.

          Even the cops eventually broke down & showed solidarity with the wimpy plebes. (Wimpy plebes being what the "real men carry guns" cops would call teachers & such.)

        2. Negropolis

          There are no "good unions", they're just next.

          Even though that is a joke, it just rings so eerily true that it's almost kind of frightening.

    1. OneDollarJuana

      Well, parts of Boeing are union. They also have manufacturing in slave right to work states, and have done a lot of outsourcing for the (bad) Dreamliner. Which they have found to not work quite so well as hoped, with crappy and ill-fitting assemblies coming from subcontractors. Who knew that when you sub out work to the lowest bidders in places too far away to oversee that quality may suffer?

      1. BerkeleyBear

        Yeah, who would have thought that sourcing parts in 100+ different places would be a bad thing. The hilarious part was that the engineers (mainly in Washington still, despite the corporate move to Chicago) were screaming about this even as the marketing and corporate shits were touting it as the future of global contracting.

        It was a brilliant sales move in some ways, as giving a taste to all those countries amounted to a kickback on future orders, but it probably would have been cheaper to just bribe them all and build the thing at one plant with a handful of closely supervised Tier 1 suppliers.

  4. Weenus299

    Has anyone called for a Rage Against The Machine reunion yet? That's when the troubles start to heal.

  5. DeeJayKitteh

    No snark, just bewilderment on my end. If it were the Democrats that pulled a stunt like that, there would be giant cries of protest and accusations of being anti-democratic that dominated even the supposed left-leaning media. But this? This probably won't be more than a blip on the screen. How is it possible that liberals have zero control over the message and the media?

      1. DeeJayKitteh

        Ah yes. The most obvious answer is usually the right one. I forgot we weren't dealing with the Fourth Estate, but rather the Fourth Estate, brought to you by Wal-Mart.

    1. Redhead

      To be fair, I'm sure Fox News will cover it – and find a way to make it the dems' fault/a sign of the dems' incompetence.

  6. user-of-owls

    For the love of god, stop sending pizza! It makes people sleepy!

    Donate here to buy 50-gallon drums of espresso for the Democrats!

    Oh, and cigarettes. Don't forget the cigarettes.

    1. HateMachine

      Honestly, one of the most kickass things I've read about this whole awful thing has been the motherfucking PEOPLE OF EGYPT sending pizza to the Madison teachers.

      Brought a feeling remarkably like warmth to my black commie heart.

    1. mereoblivion

      We still have a few simple famer/herder/fisher folk, and of course a passel of kooky intellectuals, but mostly we're just a bunch of selfish, ignorant scumbags like everywhere else. Plus the "Indians."

  7. Monsieur_Grumpe

    Teachers seem to be getting the shaft (not in the good way) in this country way to often lately. Seeing that the average intellect in the USA is comparable to a cold waffle we should be treating and paying our teachers better so we can attract and keep the best. Layoffs and wage cuts are not going to motivate anyone to go that extra mile it would take to teach little hyperactive glue sniffing Johnny to read.

    1. gef05

      Let me offer one reflection on the teaching situation in the USA. It's just a simple reflection, but an interesting one.

      From a former life I have seven years classroom experience:

      If I teach anywhere in Australia I'll make around 70K (before add ons).
      If I teach in NC I'll make around 40K.
      If I teach in Virginia I'll make around 35K.

      And yes, given the diversity of Australia's rural and urban settings, I could find somewhere comparable cost-wise to small-town Virginia, or comparable cost-wise to the large urban areas in NC.

      Just saying.

        1. gef05

          Yeah. They have to be read upside down while standing on the equator as Paul Hogan cooks shrimp ("shrimp", I have found out, is American for "prawn") on his barbie.

          1. OneDollarJuana

            's gotta make the shrimp taste like burnt plastic. ick

            And Aussie beer is not much better than Bud.

          2. gef05

            Prawns on the BBQ = unknown. I've never seen it done so I don't know what it tastes like.

            Aussie beer. Fosters etc is simply Bud. But like all the good beer that can be found in the US if you go looking (think micro breweries), you can get good stuff in Oz also.

      1. HistoriCat

        Yeah but – Australia.

        They have those backwards seasons. And, um, well I can't think of any other objections right now. Fuck it – let's all move to Australia.

        1. natoslug

          Flooding, fires, every living thing on the continent is vicious and venomous, and they can't even pronounce "hurricane" correctly. Whenever they say it, I could swear they're saying "typhoon" — someone needs to teach those backwards kangaroo-raping bastards the King's English like we done talk it here in 'murrika!

          1. gef05

            An elderly member of my in-laws (from a southern state) was listening to two Australians talking. She turned to her companions and said plaintively, "Why DO they talk that way?"

    2. Mumbletypeg

      Point well taken. Also troubling is, for every generation squeezing out ever more dismal scores on our pupils' aptitude, achievement gaps, & sheer incompetence (like forgetting to read the directions before proceeding — how often I had to reiterate this to my middle schoolers), it is that much more damage-control that's impending, for those willing to take on this joke of a job. Our future educators are sitting in these overcrowded under-supported classrooms supposedly getting educated now, if I have my timeline in perspective. And currently doing the revolving-door dance into the teaching profession while their ageing peers fend off retirement: droves of career-switchers/ college grads, having attended public school & are among the first who've completed their entire primary/ secondary education under NCLB, having never known a school environment without getting beaten over the head w/ "standards of learning" membot mentality. Is this the generation that's going to turn the sinking ship around and put us back on top? Meanwhile — yes — teachers continue to be deprived of every last resource except dogged determination at this point.

    3. not that Dewey

      Silly liberal. Don't you know that logic only applies to hedge-fund-managers and bank CEOs, for whom there is a fixed pool of "talent"? Any poor slob can be a teacher. Just ask Texas.

    4. GOPCrusher

      An educated population is a dangerous population.
      I'm only surprised that the House Republiklans/Tea Baggers have not started debating a bill to disband the entire Department of Education.

  8. Terry

    "Wisconsin Assembly Votes To End Collective Bargaining"

    …for unions that didn't support the election of the current governor.

    There, fixed.

  9. Dudleydidwrong

    We've reduced our "democracy" to playing parliamentary games while the nation slowly declines. These games have been played before and in the future it will be the Democrats' turn to play "Spin the lobbyist" or "My gavel is quicker than your gavel." Sad. Send out Diogenes to search for an honest and caring politician. There may be a few left.

    "stop, hey what's that sound, everybody look what's goin down…"

  10. PublicLuxury

    Fuckin' lockstep republican bullshit at its finest. These tea party hard ass cruel lunatic bastards have no idea what they have just done.

    My heart hurts for the public employees everywhere.

    1. Mariecohn

      Oh, Public, I was once tenured at Cal State Long Beach. It was fun. And I was represented by a union. My heart sinks seeing what Ah-nold has done to professors on those campuses, and the unions have been so emasculated over time that the profs have nowhere to run.

  11. freakishlywrong

    Murika 2010- Mild reforms on a for-profit health care system = Tyranny, dictatorships and thousands of misinformed old people in Medicare paid for scooters screaming about socialism.

    Ending collective bargaining rights for teachers and toll booth workers = "collective sacrifice"

    Viva Costa Rica.

  12. Chillwaver

    This is the beginning of the end for Labor Unions. Well done, TeaTards (can we start calling them Kochbots now?)

    1. BeWoot

      I'll take that bet. Public employees formed unions to protect themselves from blowhard politicians who, time and again, sought to use them as scapegoats. I think, and polls seem to be backing me up on this, that this whole series of union-busting efforts, teacher layoffs, etc. is prodding Americans to notice that public employees are in fact being used for scapegoats.

      Asshat Walker is the liberal's friend.

  13. weejee

    The Air Force awarded Boeing a $35 billion contract to build a “flying gas station,” the end.
    Warshington's Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell totally kicked-ass over the 'Bama tag team of Sessions and Shelby in this WWF smackdown.

    The end, likely not. The Sessions and Shelby dysphagic duo are total whores for the European Airbus, so they likely will stretch this out.

  14. hollywooddood

    So it was teachers and nurses who bankrupted the economy. And all this time I thought it was Wall Street bankers.

    1. SorosBot

      How dare you even suggest that our overlords are to blame for the recession they called; real patriotic Americans will always find a lower-class minority scapegoat. In the mortgage crisis, it's the fault of the Carter-era law that prevents banks from discriminating against black people that has absolutely nothing to do with the crisis, but the fat Oxy-addicted fuck says it does so people believe it.

  15. SorosBot

    So is anyone in Wisconsin who can tell us first-hand what the new, flag-wrapped American brand of fascism looks like? Ah well, we had a good run of over 220 years, now that it's all over we should have a nice big wake.

  16. Steverino247

    As so the warlords win another battle against the Mandarins. Worked out so well for the Chinese. Who needs a trained professional class to teach children, manage food production, run the nation's civil engineering, care for the sick and infirm and all that bullshit.

    1. chickensmack

      And just like the Chinese banning certain Tibetans from reincarnating, we should legislate that our children should not have teachers.

      Think about it: In our Christian country, 1 Timothy 2 says "Shut thee fuck up, woman, and maketh thine a sammich." clearly the hallmark of patriarchal society.

      Correspond that to 66 million women in the workplace. If we suddenly go back to the Jesus years, women can stay at home (like they should, says Paul!) and teach the kids. Suddenly, all the mens that are out of work can now take the womens jobs.


      (edited for usage stupidity)

    1. Negropolis

      This is beginning to look like an East Asian legislature. All we need, now, are some good old fashioned canes, and the opposition party rushing to yank the gavel from the hand of the speaker, who is always surrounded by his or her fellow party memebers as if they were in a rugby scrum.

      Seriously, though, how do the Republicans think this will help them? It's like they keep giving the Senate Dems more reasons to stay put. We win the longer this drags on, they don't, if even by some chance they split the bill up and pass it in parts.

      1. GOPCrusher

        That and the fact that people all over the United States are seeing this. Did they honestly believe that by forcing a vote at 1 AM, it would pass the attention of the public?

    1. GOPCrusher

      The House Republicans have decided to debate a bill that would make it illegal for same-sex couples to apply for a marriage license, despite the fact that it would be unconstitutional. To take it one step further, they want to put into the law that the State Supreme Court will not be allowed to rule on the constitutionality of the law.

  17. bitchincamaro2

    Let's see if I have this right:

    America's weapons industries will build the support vehicles that will fuel the weapons, that will be used to ensure the continued supply of the fuel that will fill the tanks of the weapons that the weapons industries will build.

    It's a fucking perpetual motion machine, Mr. Peabody!!

  18. chickensmack

    Today, I'm having lunch with a known Republican. We'll get into a political discussion, as it always happens. He's going to mention the face-value Fox remarks about how the HCR was "rammed down our throats."

    Yet today, I'm probably going to retort with, "Wisconsin Assembly did the same thing to punch-drunk democrats at one this morning." Then, being a good southerner, I'm going to bitch-slap the talking-point hypocrisy out of him.

  19. mavenmaven

    The repub tactics are clearly a result of understanding James Madison's discussion of "tyranny of the majority" as being a good thing.

    1. SorosBot

      No, because it's not a majority; their tactics combine that and treating majority as a majority of dollars instead of people.

  20. HateMachine

    One of the representatives seemed to cringe as he went for the punt, and was singled out for additional training.

  21. Redhead

    It wasn't just that 2,000 teachers were fired – it was that ALL the teachers in Providence, which happened to add up to almost 2,000, were fired. (And specifically fired as opposed to laid off.) It was also a quick and dirty way of screwing the teachers' unions, Walker-style but harder and with less lube.

    Can't wait to see who is going to teach the kiddies there, since Pedobear's already interviewing in Wisconsin.

    1. ShaveTheWhales

      If I'm reading the article correctly, the notification letters refer to layoffs, not firing, and they do not have immediate effect (i.e., no one has actually been terminated yet). It's a state law (coddling those teachers unions again), that a teacher has to be notified by a certain date (in RI, it's apparently March 1) if there is a possibility that he or she will be laid off (not re-employed) for the next school year. Anyone who is not so notified CANNOT be laid off.

      The normal practice is for the school board to estimate the worst case budget scenario, throw on a fudge factor, and then send the notifications to the folks lowest on the seniority list. In Providence, they apparently decided forecasting was too hard, and just notified everybody.

      It's possible that there is some more twisty agenda stuff going on. Two things that occur to me are

      (1) The reason most boards don't cold notify everybody is that since people that get notified become more likely to look for jobs elsewhere, you're likely to lose your more employable (better, cheaper) teachers. The Providence board majority may simply be hoping that enough folks will move out voluntarily to fix their budget problem, and who cares about the quality of education?

      (2) They may be thinking that this will allow them to cherry-pick who goes and who stays, but I think they will discover that the union contract will prohibit this. I suppose they could actually go forward and lay off every teacher, and then try to claim that there is no longer a union, and rehire selectively; but this would all have to happen after the start of the suddenly nonexistent school year. 2,000 teachers implies something like 60K students, or maybe 30,000 families who will not like the indefinite cancellation of classes.

      1. Redhead

        I've read a couple accounts that were somewhat conflicting. One said, though, that at the school board meeting the teachers specifically asked to be laid off instead fired, saying that being fired will impact their ability to find another job more than being laid off. The school board refused, according to that article (I would assume since that would mean they'd also have to pay certain benefits that they wouldn't if they fired the members.)

        One of the stories I read made it sound like the cuts were pretty definite, and another said that they're only possible (citing some of the same stuff you did about being required to give notice before they fire/lay off).

  22. hagajim

    And so it goes and so it goes. I am sad to see the country I grew up in going to hell in a hurry. Much of what is being done is a direct result of the fact that the sheeple in this country have been convinced that Unions are the problem – I am shocked and dismayed that this is what we have become.

  23. MinAgain

    There's a rally in front of the state capitol tomorrow at noon. I will be there. Now, I just have to think up a devastatingly clever sign.

        1. Lascauxcaveman

          But saying "Scott Walker = Broccoli" could be interpreted as saying, "I don't like Scott Walker, but I know he's good for me." Wrong message; best not to be soambiguous, kid.

          Better: "Scott Walker = Poopyhead"

  24. Asa_Hawks

    What absolute fucking bullshit. I (foolishly) thought that with Obama we'd be entering a new liberal golden age. Why is this happening?

      1. Asa_Hawks

        Well, that's depressing as all hell and pretty soul-crushing, so it's probably true. But as naive as this sounds, I'm amazed that Obama would so cynically sell out his base like that.

        1. ttommyunger

          I have to believe it is money. Or a combination of money and power, but the former begets and enables the latter; so, MONEY. I hate it too.

  25. Steverino247

    How about something like this:

    When will Walker burn the Reichstag?

    What's next, Walker? Burning the Reichstag?

  26. donner_froh

    'Democrats looked around, bewildered."

    A good summation of what they have been doing for the past several years, particularly when faced with something sneaky, underhanded are simply illegal by the Repubs.

  27. EdFlintstone

    Make sure you kids thinking about college consider a teaching degree. Go 6 years for that masters degree while accumulating tens of thousands of dollars in college debt for a job now with crappy pay and benefits.

  28. bitchincamaro2

    Your snark-free comments are always inciteful. And extra points for bringing the term, "Hod Carriers" to the Wonkette.

      1. jim89048

        I spent most of my life in a non-unionized part of the Golden State. I spent a summer as a non-union hod carrier. Had to make my own hod, and mix my own mud. That's when I decided to learn how to operate heavy equipment, much easier on my back…

        1. ttommyunger

          Good for the reflexes, though. Nothing sharpens them more than running a wheelbarrow full of sloppy mud over a slippery 2×8 for a hundred yards or so.

          1. Lascauxcaveman

            I had similar acrobatic experience working for a shipwright one summer. Carrying 80 lbs sheets of 4×9 glue-lam on my back across same 2×8' trestles, over spools of mooring line, welders' cables, between stacks of crates and crab pots, up and down gangways, etc in a 20mph crosswind sometimes.

            Nobody ever explained to me why all the construction materials had been craned onto the fantail when the refitting job was being done up on the bow. Good thing the ship was only about 180' long. I can't imagine how my knees actually survived that summer.

          2. ttommyunger

            Sounds like fun.I had a new roof put on last year. After the ink was dry on the Contract, I never saw a white man again. Those little men were fucking amazing. Up a 30' ladder with flats of roofing on one shoulder never putting their hands down for balance. Working top speed all day long. Here at 7, gone by six. They were all from Mexico. I am impressed! I could not have done that when I was young.

  29. mumbly_joe

    Semi-OT, but apparently the Koch brothers have finally gotten around to responding to that whole punking of Walker.

    For fun, count the number of times he uses the phrase "free market". And then, just recall that he's talking about opposing unions, which are, ultimately, simply a tactic that workers can use to negotiate employment contracts that maximize their profits, and thus roughly as "free market" as anything Koch Industries, and in favor of a state using force of law to limit the tools workers can employ when negotiating their employment.

    At very worst, unions happen to use similar profit-maximizing tactics to cartels or monopolies, but most "free-market" advocates don't seem to give a shit about the formation of cartels or monopolies, so can we please dispense with the notion that the existence of unions is somehow less "free market" than using the National Guard to go union-busting? Even if it isn't terribly "pro (Koch Industries')-business"?

    I mean, Christ, the last time Walker went union-busting it was in service of an overt agenda of not-at-all-free-market Patronage, and it's pretty damn clear that the no-bid sales of those power-plants aren't really oriented around free-market principles, either.

    1. MadBrahms

      Indeed, there's no argument here that labor is a commodity – unions are simply hagging about the price, where government interference simply limits the ability of producers (producers of *labor) to have a say in how much their product is worth.

      Ugh, I hate the words "free market" so much. I am actually going to post your comment on facebook (credited!) since i think it's a good synthesis.

  30. GOPCrusher

    Remember about a year and half ago when the Republiklans were crying about Checks and Balances and how America would never survive under one party rule?

  31. Lascauxcaveman

    I talked to my Boeing-engineer cousin just last weekend, and she said pretty much all the 787 Dreamliner stuff that was outsourced came back shit. They just plain did a lousy job of if and it's costing the company a couple billion to make it all right.

    She also said, "Now I know what Airbus has been dealing with all these years. Having to build functioning aircraft with parts made out of papier machè in Spain."

    Yay, outsourcing.

  32. GeoatBeck

    You would think all the union dues, siphoned from it's members, would be enough to feed them quite well. Heck they are getting paid to protest, why do they need donations? Sounds like a call for overtime, their ridiculously high salaries apparently, are only enough to to sustain doing nothing. Geez!. The greed does not stop with these thugs.

    They never let a crisis go to waste.

      1. GeoatBeck

        I do not. I am middle class. I do not support Fascism.

        I believe everyone should get a fair break and be in the equation. When Government and a select few decide how much money they take from the folks, I oppose it. Government and unions together is a conflict of interest. FDR, Roosevelt and even Jimmy Carter knew and fought this.

      2. GeoatBeck

        I do not hate the middle class, I am one of them. I do not support Fascism:

        Why do you feel people should not earn what they receive? Why should a group band together and be entitled to more than the others in their occupation? Why should government and any group form a partnership that is a major conflict of interest? Government gives them stuff for their vote, It is like they pay the government for an exponential payback about 10 to 1 on average it seems. 4 million to the Dems and about 40 million back in entitlements. FDR, Roosevelt and even Jimmy Carter saw this and fought it. It took Gerald Ford to screw it up.

  33. GeoatBeck

    I want my stuff for free

    Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it
    You spin your agenda on the nation's TV
    That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
    Money for nothin' and your stuff for free
    Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
    Lemme tell ya them guys ain't dumb
    Maybe get a blister on your sphincter finger
    Maybe get a blister on your bum

    We gotta install microwave ovens
    Custom kitchen deliveries
    We gotta move these refrigerators
    We gotta move these colour TV's

    (See the little union boss with the belly and the makeup
    Yeah buddy that’s his own hair
    That little boss got his own jet airplane
    That little boss he’s a millionaire)

    Gotta install microwave ovens
    Custom kitchen deliveries
    We gotta move these refrigerators
    Gotta move these colour TV's

    I shoulda learned to play the people
    I shoulda learned to play them dumbs
    Look at that drama, they got it stickin' in the camera
    Man they gotta make some
    And thier up there, what's that? Progessive noises?
    Bangin' on the Tea Party, like a chimpanzee
    That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
    Get your money for nothin' get your stuff for free

    We gotta install microwave ovens
    Custom kitchens deliveries
    We gotta move these refrigerators
    We gotta move these colour TV's

    Look a' here
    That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
    You play the people and your stuff is free
    That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
    Money for nothin' and your stuff for free
    Money for nothin' and stuff for free

    Money for nothin' and your stuff for free

    Look at that, look at that

    Money for nothin' and your stuff for free
    I want my, I want my, I want my stuff for free
    Money for nothin' and stuff for free

    We gotta install microwave ovens
    Custom kitchens deliveries
    We gotta move these refrigerators
    We gotta move these colour TV's

    libtards, taking money from the good folks
    they pass it off to the Dems at large
    They turn around and give it back to them
    hey libprog's there's no charge

    I want my, I want my, I want my stuff for free

    Who says I do not have a sense of humor ;)

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