Judge Roger Vinson of Federal District Court in Pensacola, FL is the latest jurist in the land to declare the 2010 health care reform package unconstitutional. Sure, nothing will ever compare to the first time, but it still feels pretty good, right? And these judges get better at it as they have more experience on top of this law. This Vinson guy, for example, even cited the Boston Tea Party in his decision. A shout-out to his homies, if you will. Also, while that wimpy Virginia judge may have just stuck the tip into the health care law, Vinson went all out. HOME PLATE: “Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void.” This judge wins at denying people access to health care until a new greatest legal mind ever is born to us on this dear planet.
At a time when there is virtually unanimous agreement that health care reform is needed in this country, it is hard to invalidate and strike down a statute titled “The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.”
But in the end, he had to. Because he’s famous now, mother fuckers! [Weigel]
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This judge has health insurance, of course.
Taxpayer funded, too.
Hey Smales! You scratched my anchor!
What, when you buy a tie like that I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you though.
I got mine, now go get your own. Conservatism is just awesome like that.
Judge Dead
I'll take the pee hits, but BAD FORM, Suds.
I'll play Rick Sanchez here, but without twatter to save you two. Thumbsupping both. Because I'm a liberal, and everyone knows we're peace loving dope smoking (I wish) hippies.
keep your pee Chicken, I'll hang on to that one until we get a TX judge post.
And suddenly John Roberts got just little bit harder …
Ewww…gross.
So, you mean to tell me that every time the Obama administration is ruled against, a Supreme Court justice gets his chubby?
In the case of Roberts, it's fitting a man (Obama) is the root of his arousal.
I wonder if J.R. & Ginny Thomas watch gay-porn together. (Clarence in the den, streaming Bang Bros., while the wifey & the Chief Jus are in living-room, watching Blackdraft.)
Not every time – but a chance to drive a stake through the heart of New Deal legislation? That's arousing!
Hope that does not give him another seizure.
Cutting a flower for his friend Sally Hemmings.
Judge Vinson also declared "I've got mine. Fuck you"!
The Ayn Rand philosophy, as pithily summarized as I have ever seen. The world needs ditch-diggers too.
This deserves an ol' "Fuck This Pinhead!" Award.
So we can go by that lojik…. The whole 3/5 person thing in the US America constitution is bad so the entire US America constitution is bad too… right?
Not saying… just saying.
Don't you dare speak ill of the Constitooshun!! George Washington will condemn you to Hell.
Lying about what is in the Constitooshun – or just cold makin' shit up cuz one has no freaking clue what is in it – are completely okay, however.
Yes, apparently so…we'll file this under the "constitution says weze a capitulistik economy" section in my 'big book of right wing bullshit' I plan to publish sometime between now and the end of time.
He also cited landmark decisions "Marbury v. John Birch" and "Gene Ray v. Board of Education".
Oh and don't forger "McConnel vs. USA" when Mitchy poop the bipedal turtle said essentially "not allowing corporations to buy elections makes me cry" back when McCain-Feingold was ratified. And Mitch tha bitch kept right on whining (and secretly funding other right wing shitheel lawyers like James Bopp Jr. to fight such tewible regulation because come on people, this is a cash and carry government we have, not a democracy!) until "Citizens United" proving the most corrupt wheel gets the grease (and a complimentary pubic hair on its coke).
He must be one of those activist judges I’ve been hearing about. Funny, he doesn’t look like Satan.
Yes because right wing activist judges aren't political, theyse constitutionulists! I'm still waiting for Rand Paul to challenge the civil rights act and voting rights act because Jim Crow wuz good fer freedum!
I guess activist judges are cool again…
If only there was a Republican Senate, he would certainly be impeached.
Well, Satan is totally the prince of deception.
Your just not looking close enough.
Freedom sounds a lot like a child's untreated whooping cough.
Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose.
Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to ooze.
Freedom smells like death but oddly has no taste, sort of like an empty plate too, also. The baggers only like freedumb when it lines their pockets or keeps the undesirables from getting some too.
FTW
Let's just note in citing the Boston Tea Party as legal precedent, this guy seems to also be claiming that, nominal import duties and government-created monopolies are also unconstitutional, even though both are obviously, blatantly, not.
I think he's actually saying dressing up in red face and destroying personal property is Constitutional. I'm going out right now to put feathers in my hair, and smash up a Starbucks.
The Battle in Seattle lives!
NO WTO!
Yeah seriously this is the first time I've seen some judge be so fucking retared (and I mean SO FUCKING RETARDED) so as to cite what essentially amounted to drunken frat boys chucking tea in the habor which by the way, was set up. So using this shitbag as my model (I can't even think of wingnuts without the word shitbag immediately following) I'll just cite the drunken Duke Party of violation as my legal precedent to see Halle Berry's boobs in my face. Look, it was fer freedumz!
I can't wait until I finish and get my law degree…the only appropriate action to do with this motherfucker (goddamn I'm pissed, you indifferent, misanthropic corporate lackey…I know this fuck face thinks Jeebus is happy with what he did) is to drop a bunch of sick, contagious children off as evidence of why striking down health reform for the sake of fat, white racism is unconscionable…and let them take the witness stand and COUGH on him. Would it be a stunt? yes…because after he goes on his government funded, taxpayer funded health care that we DON'T get to choose not to buy for him…the bill will be exhibit 2.
Nice rant, insect. Entertain me some more. : )
Howcum your pee is minus? Does someone have a fatwa against you?
Who gives a fuck about rep points? Are you really that insecure that you need everyone to agree with you? Here, you're at +3 now, and I'll bump you up to +4. Feel better?
What's even more amazing is how prescient the original tea partiers were, since they acted 15 years before the Constitution was ratified. But with divine inspiration, anything is possible.
So, while the conservative argument is that nobody in America is denied healthcare due to inability to pay (bear with me for a second here), which means that we all pay for it all anyway, it's illegal to make individuals pay for a portion of that in advance? Well, that sort of logic is clearly seamless. Well done, toadies of the corporate assholes.
Yes and the great irony is this guy is a federal employee which means we the taxpayers foot the bill for his healthcare. Do we get to choose not to? Can we kick this old corporate lackey asshole off of our healthcare so he can see WHY we wanted his clusterfuck and corporate profits system fixed? No, we don't get to CHOOSE that, we're MANDATED to pay for it. What's even worse is after this decision this motherfucker will be able to go home, take some Ambien and sleep like a baby never noting what a complete dog shit hypocrit he is (just like the GOP congress-shitbags do). Makes me sick.
Yes. So let's get to strokin', we've got some legislating to do, time to spread the costs across the board with a line on Form 1040!
Yes, we will gladly foot the bill, and pay the price, for a disaster like the Giffords shooting, but giving, say, mental health services to anyone who needs them, if it might prevent a tragedy like the one in Arizona, is unthinkable because somebody might get this care WHO DOES NOT DESERVE IT. Conservitards can countenance a tragedy like the one in Arizona and not think, for a moment, that it could be prevented by some intelligent gun laws, or a little more compassion towards the mentally ill. The thought of paying for someone's health care, if they happen to own a flat screen tv, or buy a six pack once in a while, is unthinkable to these people.
Their other argument, that nobody is denied health care due to inability to pay, is this week's. Last week's was that if HC is a right given to you by the government, then it can also be taken away by the government. It would seem that the milions of people without health care might be willing to look agreeably on this situation, in that it seems at least a little better than the one they are in now, where they have no health care unless they pay for it, in advance.
that if HC is a right given to you by the government, then it can also be taken away by the government
Someone actually said that? Someone who needs a dictionary so he or she can look up "right".
That's a good point: the actual substance of the complaints is that people are being forced to get coverage for the health care they consume, rather than clogging up our emergency rooms, while acting as parasites on everyone else's health insurance. Ayn Rand wept.
Palin-Vinson 2012!
All you need to do is nationalize the entire insurance industry. Voila, no more commerce.
Of course we'd hear some of that commie stuff from a frog. Get outta here. What's the French ever do for us…Besides give our country and our political philosophy to us.
And Brigitte Bardot, Catherine Deneuve, Sophie Marceau…
Nice, I'll attend that hayride.
Yes and those really sexy accents on women, also…Oh and you forgot former French model Laetitia Casta (and SI Swimsuit model, too)….wow.
And Guy LaFleur.
And Eva Green. Oh, Eva Green…
Also cited: Kramer v. Godzilla (1981)
How long will it be before we find out this guy, like the other judge who claimed the mandate was unconstitutional, also has a financial conflict of interest in ruling on this case?
Recusal refusal dance party!!
Like anybody would care
In the upper right hand corner of the page is an ad for "how will you look old?" If it were up to the GOP and Teatards, we may never have the chance to find out.
So this guy is cool with civil disobedience right?
Abbie Hoffman, Martin Luther King and Saul Alinsky are laughing at this guy. I can hear them from beyond the grave.
I also heard that he ruled eye care was similarly unconstitutional, citing the landmark case of Prescott v. Bunker Hill.
And dental, because of the George Washington court's famous in re wooden teeth decision. Wow, pretending that random free-assocation is actually legal precedent is fun!
I have this theory, wherein we stop providing health insurance to federal judges, we'll end up with far fewer dickhead judges like this guy Vinson here.
Except for Vaughn Walker (prop 8 overturner). He's chill.
Stop providing health insurance to all federal employees, and see how quickly we get single payer.
I prefer holding the sword over those in a position of doing something about it, ie legislative and judicial branch. Rank and file have no power, and the only way to get those with power to move is to hit them in the pocketbook, personally.
Or adjusting federal funding closer to federal taxes raised of all the welfare queen red states that insist on carrying on like children.
Note to you judges in AZ/UT/SC: if you want to get in good now, your legal brief has to say "Mandate is unconstitutional times infinity! And no takebacks!"
Triple stamped it no erasies!!!!
Interesting thing is that he would not stop implementation of the law…because it's one thing to say it's unconstitutional and another entirely to blow the whole thing to smithereens…..fucking pussy.
It's like he's saying "I know this is gonna get overturned on appeal, but I've just gotta make the teatards happy".
Ain't no pussy like Young Americans Foundation pussy. & Judge Vinson likes it a lot. Young & tight & when not willing to go all the way, at least they go anal.
If Congress can penalize a passive individual for failing to engage in commerce, the enumeration of powers in the Constitution would have been in vain…
I'm thinking if you choose to not buy health insurance, then by the entire definition of the words "making a decision" you are not being passive at all. Rather, you are actively choosing to risk a future health emergency that will cause providers to pass higher costs on to people who do buy insurance.
It is difficult to imagine that a nation which began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place.
Sure, tea in colonial times, affordable health insurance today, it's all the same. Logic FAIL.
Nation begins in part as the result of opposition to a monopoly .
Nation furthers its precipitous decline in part as the result of its defense of a monopoly.
Yeah – and that Constitution-hating Madison never meant to pass the Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen.
I think that tea tax revolt had something to do with a lack of representation. (That, of course, is the part the current tea partiers always seem to forget.) I can see the logic clearly. Since Floridians and all other teatards aren't represented by anybody (at least anybody with any sense or real power–except, of course the power of faux), they shouldn't have to obey the laws. And to take it a step further, if they all agree not to be represented by doctors in the hospital when they get run over by the bus, I'm okay with letting them die in the streets–heck, that's their choice, right? But let's impose a mandatory corpse-clean-up fee.
"Bring out your dead; bring out your dead!"
("I'm not dead yet.")
Your move Arizona. I would suggest overturning it on the grounds that they give healthcare to browns.
From the article:
It is comforting to see that in Sarah Palin's Amurica, all analogies will involve tea.
To wit:
"Life is like a box of tea; you never know when you're gonna be taxed."
"Ma'am, trying to having a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a tea cozy. I have no interest in losing my freedom."
"You couldn't tread on my tea on the treadiest day of your life even if you had an electrified treading machine!"
And so forth.
And yet call them teabaggers and they hurl insults like Thor's divine hammer.
"What does he have a tea cozy on his head for?"
Actually I found the bit about the East India Company inspiring. It reminded me of the vast differences between us and the "old country" we seceded from, i.e., England and Canada. Which are so unfree, if some Canadian Elian Gonzales gets separated from his dad, we should so not send him back.
After releasing this decision, judge Smails left his chambers early to go to his country-club, Bushwood, and get in a round before dark.
After first swinging by the McMansion to loofah his wife's stretch marks.
And sneaking a peek at his niece's (Lacy Underall) cleavage.
Can someone tell me if a single payer system would also be so "constitutionally problematic"?
That would clearly be allowed by the taxing and spending clause ("The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United State"), but I have no doubt that some right-wing judges could come up with some bullshit excuse to strike it down as this guy has.
It would be unconstitutional because it would be SOSHULLIST. The Founding Fathers were not SOSHULLISTS so, ipso facto, JoeStalinCare kills Freedom Eagles & Liberty Gunz and why don't you get a job with benefits, hippie?
Remember to vote Palin in TwenTeeTwelve for the Liberty Gunz!
You and your logic and facts and stuff. You must not be a real common sense American. Who wants to get rid of all government programs except the ones that benefit you.
No, it wouldn't, since there's no "individual mandate" in a single-payer system. The main problem is the Democrats campaign donors don't like it. This whole "mandate" thing was just a scam to funnel cash to healthcare CEOs anyway
Florida is the Sunshine State.
And hurry the market for those under the bridge homes is getting tight.
My wish for that judge is that someday his power company will be Pepco.
You are a cad and a bounder, MsElla, for wishing PEPCO (for those "from away" that's the Potomac Electric Power Company, i.e. short circuits R Us) on anyone. If PEPCO was the nation's electric company we'd all be Amish.
As with the previous ruling against health care reform, the media will probably pay a lot more attention to this than the fourteen other cases in which judges found the law constitutional.
Ahhhh, so that's how you water a democracy bush.
Hey, wait a minute…
Like this, right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo1TJsLwndk&fe...
Ahhhhhh damn…. hello, some of us elitists still have jobs.
Just what we needed – another public figure with a half-assed understanding of the Boston Tea Party.
Meanwhile, for those scoring at home, there have been 16 actions by Federal judges on cases objecting to Health Care Reform. Fourteen have been tossed out, 2 affirm, 1 struck down the individual mandate and now this activist has declared the entire law void.
But, we're supposed to pay attention to just that 1 in 16 outcomes?
Personally, I wish they would quit screwing around and send it the Supreme Court. Once it is ruled 5-4 as Constitutional according to The Commerce Clause, we can get down to arresting the Tea Baggers that still won't pay their fair share of the health care bill.
Those FEMA built concentration camps are going to waste.
Yeah, and do it while Justice Ginsburg is still coming to work every day.
Needz moar formaldehyde!!!
Yeah we have those 16,500 new IRS agents just sitting around doing nothing!
Damn activist judges.
Okay, so I'm confused. Wouldn't the fact that Congress (and Barry as well) have said they want to go back and fix parts of the law indicate that it is, indeed, severable? Legally minded Wonketterati, pls to explain.
Severability here refers to whether a court that finds part of a statute to be invalid should declare the whole law void, or only the specific part that's unconstitutional.
Generally the questions courts ask in deciding whether an invalid provision of a statute are severable from the rest are (1) does the statute itself say anything about what a court should do in such circumstances, and (2) would Congress have wanted the surviving portions of the law to continue in effect, had it known that the piece in question was invalid — or was the invalid part so central to the adoption or intended function of the statute that the court doesn't think Congress would have enacted the law without it.
In other words some one paid big bucks to put this douche on the court cause he either isn't paying attention or knows little about the law.
Reagan appointee, I am led to believe. Shouldn't his appointees be starting to thin out about now?
He's a "Senior Judge," which means he's working a reduced caseload. Just the unimportant cases.
Why do we allow courts to exist in Florida?
Why do we allow Florida to exist?
Give to Cuba for a box of Cigars and two baseball players to named later.
That is one good thing about global warming: Florida will be under water, where it belongs.
They're good: bocci, shuffleboard, jai alai, tennis, croquet. Now if you mean law courts, that's different. Nobody in Florida knows how to play that game.
Who the fuck cuts flowers in a shirt and tie? Looks like Lindsey Graham's gayer brother.
Like this, right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo1TJsLwndk&fe...
"Oh, look at the lovely flowers the uninsured part-time landscapers grew for me."
If he dies he might not become a Fox News host, so there's that in your favor.
"Big" Ben Ruthlessfucker approves of your comment. He famous!
At this moment, I sit in my office, scant blocks from Judge Vinson's courthouse. I believe he is a member of the Pensacola Camelia Club, hence the photo. They're in bloom now.
Pensacola has spectacular white-sand beaches and the Blue Angels, but it has been a backwater for many decades. Its county is the poorest in Florida with any significant population. There are said to be more churches per capita in this area than anywhere else in America. It's as monolithically Republican — at least among the white people — as anywhere in the country.
What I'm trying to say is that Judge Vinson is well within the mainstream here, and I'm including his intellectual level in that assessment.
In the mid 90's, I worked for a software company that had their headquarters in Pensacola. One day I was talking to one of the tech support people on the telephone when I heard a "Well, I'll be damned". When I asked what was happening, the tech person, in a matter of fact kind of way, said that someone just walked up and shot a doctor that worked in the clinic across the street that performed abortions.
The most disturbing part of the conversation was the fact that the person that I was talking to, said it like shooting doctors was an everyday occurence in Pensacola.
He had to do it. It is time we faced the facts Wonketters. Poor people do NOT deserve health care. Women MUST be forced to breed but MAY NOT have access to affordable health care. People that are darker than a Carmel need to deported NOW. They're here illegally. This MUST start with that uppity Kenyan socialist Bolshevik Marxist Leninist communist socialist Cuban Messican African tearist that is illegally in the WHITE house.
So there.
Nah, just stock in a private insurance company. Because they're going to be around either way.
Mind you, and not that I'm suggesting anything wrong with this model, but they're not doctors either.
Also, the other one that covers our Veterans, who Deserve the Very Best, which is apparently socialism, except that Soshulizms are teh worst and will destory health care. Logic that one out, good sir.
Two people talking is a form of "socialism". A little socialism is a good thing, a lot is a bad thing, then it becomes marxism, fascism, etc. It's like government. Government is a tool, it can be useful, but it can also be dangerous if misused or abused. You wouldn't trim your toenails with a chainsaw, would ya? Abuse of government is what the Democrat Party is famous for.
Considering that fascism is a capitalist right-wing philosophy, too much socialism cannot become fascism.
Been brainwashed by those marxist professors, I see. Keep spouting the age old lie, it goes over quite well in this echo chamber, but in the real world more and more folks are seeing that fascism and marxism have more similarities than differences.
By the way, does Soros make you swallow?
Good job, when called on mistakes you just flat out lie.
This may surprise you, but I get that you're asserting that a government-administrated system that is already in place and running for a diverse group of American adults of all ages and backgrounds, who remain in that system for life, and are, if anything, slightly more prone to things like mental illness than the population at-large, but which is regularly rated considerably higher by its recipients than the national average would simply NOT WORK if it were expanded to cover anyone who wanted it. I get that you're ASSERTING that that's the case, but my point was that you and yours have never bothered trying to put forth a fucking argument that there's any economic reason that that would be the case, beyond "Soshulizms BAD, Free Markets, GOOD".
I'm not terribly surprised, though, seeing as Introductory Econ has pretty clearly joined the pile of Biology and high school Earth Science books in the dustbin of Republican thought. After all, Academia is Deliberately Destroying the U.S.A, amirite?
Start by allowing folks to purchase insurance policies across state lines. Competition brings down the price and increases quality.
If you really want to bring the costs down, have people pay cash for routine doctor visits and minor procedures, and purchase major medical policies for the big expenses.
Anytime there is a third party payer, whether it be an insurance company or the government, costs are going to increase. Period. Fact. Not arguable. Medicare is going broke.
As far as your idiotic rant in the last paragraph, you tell me? Want to discus the marginal utility of coffee filters? How about the various types of stellar hydrogen fusion? Do you like the PPI (deuterium) or PP II (beryllium, lithium) chain? How about the evidence (or lack thereof) that dinosaurs were endothermic?
"Allowing" purchase of insurance across state lines would just lead to a race to the bottom, like how all the credit card companies moved their headquarters to Delaware after they eliminated anti-usury laws, and would be a horrible idea.
But then, you claim that "Competition brings down the price and increases quality". How, exactly? Explain an actual reason, NOT the usual conservative bullshit that comes down to "free markets have magic powers and work better than governments", which history has empirically proven to not be true; when it comes to basic services, better outcomes are achieved by government-run systems than the private market. Note that UPS and FedEx won't deliver to rural areas; if we only had free market mail, they would have no options.
And we know that a government system will not increase costs, because every other developed country i the world has some form of government run universal health care, and we spend by far the most money in the world, while getting the worst results. Fact, not arguable.
And I don't understand your final rant, because it is also fact that conservatives are anti-science. It's not liberals who want to force schools to teach the lie of creationism, or claim that the proven fact of global climate change is not true but some conspiracy that every scientist in the world is involved in, with no plausible motive given.
Maybe we are being too harsh on this activist judge.
After all, he probably did not want the teabaggers to shoot at him.
And in the panhandle of Florida it is a very real possibility.
Well, since that darned individual mandate is unconstitutional, I guess we'll be getting a nice and legal single-payer system, right? Right?
Is it too late to trade him for Mubarak and a despot to be named later?
That's the dumbest part…we already have single payer for the people who are the most expensive to cover. The insurance companies keep us as long as we're profitable, then dump us off on Medicare as soon as we aren't. You can see why they're reluctant to give up this gig.
This judge overturned a local Florida ban on viewing The Last Temptation of Christ. This means he's been a judge since Jesus used to get laid!
Ha ha ha. That tea party sure is funny. It's good that they don't have any real power because they could really screw things up if they did. What? Wait a minute? They did what? They did? Oh shit. Guess I better wake up from this fifty year nap I've been taking.
"there is virtually unanimous agreement that health care reform is needed in this country"
How can people who think we have the best health care in the world, agree with that statement?
(puts on Tea Party glasses)
Blog comment.
His teabag has been steeping for too long.
In other words: he's GAY.
Right?
I say we all stop going to the doctor and cancel our insurance policies…..since it isn't necessary any way.
My insurance is becoming more like a discount scheme. The insurance company apparently negotiates a discount from the doctor's list price, but leaves me to pay most of the negotiated amount.
I see years of right wing court packing are paying off. Now I wonder if he is also a Koch sucker.
Don't worry they will take it away from them one day soon. And when they finally figure out that old people were their own death panel then where will they be? I think somewhere they wanted to avoid at the expense of others for a long time.
: )
"2nd is the Best" is a top 10 all time category.
First off, I have to disclaim that as a veteran fully covered by the various GI Bills, I am exempt from this "mandate," so there. And no, my present NGO employer is not required and does not offer a health plan – or unemployment insurance either, for that matter.
Still, I've always been troubled by mandated insurance coverage, with the exception of bicyclists and skateboarders, obvsly. (As you can imagine, skateboarder insurance companies operate on very slim profit margins.)
But while you all are untangling your twisted panties, consider this: The good news about these decisions against the Patient Protection etc. Act is that it might force Congress to eventually pass single-payer. That is something that I can get behind.
For you, that is.
I'm already covered by the single-payer VA, so nya na nya, too & also.
And it would pass the present Rightard House of Representatives exactly, how?
The central problem with America's health care is insurance. Well, that and old pricks that won't fuckin' die and feel entitled to have several generations go broke paying for "free" scooters and several more weeks of machine-assisted life.
We can all do our part here in the frozen north by leaving gramma/grampa in the car at the store. I'm sure they won't be so defensive of their "free" health care when their bile-weakened hearts can't squeeze -20°F blood slush through their hardened cheese tubes.
We'll see how unconstitutional it is when United HealthCare goes bankrupt.
"Kill me, Billy !!"
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdW_KZUdNpYEBPQ...
"Hardened cheese-tubes," that is the stuff, man.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again…
We had one just a couple of years ago. See "Hurricane Katrina". Though at least we did not abduct the black folks down there and enslave them to rebuild the white people's property this last time (as far as we know).
GWB couldn't hold a candle to Herbert Hoover's lifetime achievements. Bush has several failed business ventures on his resume; Hoover had a record of highly commendable service. Outside of his disappointing presidency, Hoover had a lifetime of achievements.
Read up on his response to the Mississippi floods of 1927.
No proof that immediate action is needed since the mandate doesn't go into effect till 2014? The SCOTUS will have the final word anyway.
Let me make a wild guess, Judge Vinson is a Republican appointee?
"But in the end, he had to. Because he’s rich now and you're not, mother fuckers!"
Fixed.
Why are you arguing with a spambot? Did you get really burned on some counterfeit Nikes or something?
There once was a Pres. named Barack,
Whose policies were all just a crock,
I hope no left leaning loon
Sniffing glue in his room
Shoots some poor folks with his Glock.
My guess is that you have nothing of value to add, hence the amusing insults. Amuse me some more, insect.
You have enough amusement. Your little dog licking the peanut butter off of your dick is amusement enough for you, I'm sure.
A shout-out to his homies, if you will.
One can only hope that Judge Vinson pours out a forty in memory of the children with preexisting conditions who will soon be shuffling off the mortal coil after they are denied insurance coverage.
Oh well, what else could a little old federal district court judge do?
I imagine him with the voice of Ted Knight as Judge Smails:
"You'll get NOTHING and LIKE IT!"
"Wellll, the world needs ditch diggers too!"
"Oh Porterhouse, look at the wax build up on these shoes I want that wax stripped off there, then I want them creamed and buffed with a fine chamois, and I want them NOW. Chop chop!"
Another good one from this decision:
If impact [of the uninsured] on interstate commerce were to be expressed and calculated mathematically, the status of being uninsured would necessarily be represented by zero. Of course, any other figure multiplied by zero is also zero. Consequently, the impact must be zero, and of no effect on interstate commerce.
Words just fail. The only thing keeping me from groaning is the knowledge that this is not coming from the SCOTUS, but is just one little federal district judge. Also that a dozen or so federal judges have declined to even hear arguments on the constitutionality of this law, which indicates we have at least some jurists who are not sliding into dementia.
Iss all about the bucks, my friend.
T
The Judge hates Mitt Romney that bad?
He was definitely the inspiration for that huge dump I just took. From now on, I'm calling it "Taking a Vinson".
Some of you seem to have the naive impression that Vinson's ruling has something to do with the law. Spoiler alert! It's all about the money, and who blows who-period.
You know what I learned in the Military? Know your limitations. Nothing wrong with fighting the good fight to the bitter end, but Don Quixote I'm not. Neither am I a pest or a gadfly. This House of Representatives is a lost cause for at least two years. Get used to it.
"Get used to it?" GET USED TO IT?
Why not eat shit and die?
McClellan knew his limitations, too.
OK. I'm a bad person, a bad man, a bad American and you, sir, are a Hero. Happy? I'm done here.
No lie, bot-boi. Do you really think Porsche and Heinkel would have been allowed to stay if business if they didn't tow Hitler's line?
Third Reich: Big, oppressive government.
Soviet Union: Big oppressive government.
The old "marxism left/fascism right" model doesn't fly anymore, and more and more people are accepting that fact. : )
You've either been brainwashed, or you're one of the ones doing the brainwashing.
QED SorosBot = Hitler
,/// "and we spend by far the most money in the world, while getting the worst results. Fact, not arguable." ///
Not arguable my ass. We may pay the most, but the quality is by far the best in world. You're not one of the Micheal Moore idiots that think Cubans get better health care than Americans, are you? You're either an idiot or a liar. Probably both.
UPS and Fed-Ex make money. The USPS is going bankrupt. It'll be gone in 5 to 10 years. : )
If you need to know how competition works you are beyond any help I can give you.
Why don't teachers grade on the socialist system? All the scores averaged and everyone gets the same grade? That would be fair, wouldn't it? I mean, some students might have to work a part-time job, or practice playing the guitar, and don't have as much study time as others. So why not grade in such a way as to be fair? Because everyone would fail. Period. Fact. Not arguable.
Now Mr. Science-bot-boi, you don't understand my final statements because you talk the talk, but can't walk the walk. I love astronomy, do you? Paleontology? Physics? What do you know of any of the sciences?
So you just buy your curly light-bulbs and feel superior to others, because "you care" and leave the thinking to the adults.
No, more and more people are lying, like you, and claim that conservative fascism is magically left-wing, just because you say so. But thanks for playing.
Oh, by the way: the big idea of the Third Reich was not big government, but a complete lack of individual freedoms and hard-core racism and religious bigotry, both of which are right-wing ideals.
Franco's Spain: Big, oppressive government propped up by the Third Reich (as opposed to the Spanish Republicans, who had the support of the Bolsheviks and Western leftists), and praised by "The father of American Intellectual conservatism" specifically for the brutality with which they oppressed labor unions and leftists. For additional examples, see also: Pinochet, Augusto.
Your ahistoric pablum is ahistoric.
Our quality is by far the best? Really? REALLY? Tell that to the people who lack insurance, and can not get treatment if they come down with a long term, fatal illness, and are left to die. Tell that to the people Jan Brewer in Arizona has killed by denying government funds for transplants. Over 40,000 Americans die a year because of lack of insurance. To make the claim that America's health system in light of that fact is just plain sickening.
You don't even know the first thing about socialism, do you? Your story makes no sense and has absolutely nothing to do with what socialism is. What a surprise, you are an ignorant moron!
I love astronomy and other sciences, and as I recall you previously supported teaching creationism in the schools, so you lie when you claim you love the sciences, at least biology (and physics and astronomy, which also prove the universe is 13.7 billion years old, not 6,000).
Wow, "we may pay the most, but our quality is the best"? You really are an idiot. Pick a health outcome: life expectancy at birth? Last amongst the developed nations. Infant mortality? Last again, and below Cuba, as frequently mentioned. Access to care? Dead last again. Costs per unit care? Highest in the world. Costs as a share of GDP? Well, second,East Timor has us beat, but for the opposite reason. Wherever our money's going, we're not seeing value for it, plain and simple.
The idea that, despite our massive expenditures, the highest in the world, our health outcomes are still only comparable (whether better or worse, frankly) with the likes of second-world countries like Cuba and Slovenia should be the source of national embarrassment, plain and simple. Instead, the only thing you want to do is use that situation as an excuse to undermine patients' rights and accelerate insurance companies' race to the bottom in terms of coverage. Idiot.
/// "Oh, by the way: the big idea of the Third Reich was not big government, but a complete lack of individual freedoms…." ///
Hahahah Yeah, big government didn't take away individual freedoms, those freedoms just diapered by majik, huh? I thought you didn't believe in majik? Hahahahah
You really are a Tea-Party Patriot, and are doing this on purpose to make the left look even sillier than they are, right? I mean, you CAN'T be that stupid, can you?
Yup, it's the best. It could be cheaper if market forces were stronger in the health care industry. When did I say I believed it creationism? I quoted Stephen Hawking once, he said something like "if a creator had created the universe to appear as it does, we have no way to disprove it", but I don't buy that, either.
I do believe in Intelligent Design, and that right and wrong are not relative. I also think you know very little actual science.
And your talking points are old and stale. How many people WITH insurance die? You assume that those without insurance would still be alive had they had it. Bad science, but that's what I'd expect from someone who knows nothing of science. Walk the walk or shut up. : )
Huh, you say "when did I say I believed in creationism", but then you go on to say "I do believe in intelligent design". Uh, those are two different words for the exact same fucking thing, so you did just say you believe in creationism in this very comment, idiot.
Obviously you don't know the difference between liberals and conservatives; liberals do not believe government should interfere in people's freedoms, while conservatives do. It's not liberals who support the truly evil doctrine of forced childbirth, for example, or preventing people from marrying merely because they are the same gender.
However, conservatives, while believing government should control people's personal lives, like to rant about "freedom" while claiming that any government regulations that prevent factories from spewing poison into our air, or preventing bankers from screwing people over via mortgages they can't pay, or even just making people pay taxes, are "big government" when they're anything but; they are just measures to protect the commons.
Conservatives like to use the word "freedom" even as they actively oppose it; they are the ones who want government to tell women what they can do with their own wombs. But then, in the right-wing mindset, women aren't real people with rights; only wealthy white Christian men count.
No, they're not. You're boring me now, bot-boi. I wanted to talk about the Paule Exclusion Principle in relation to the formation of neutron stars, but you're ignorant of the subject. Soros needs to give you and the insects some new talking points.
Night-t-night. : )
Going to bed now, bot-boi. I'll be back tomorrow and destroy your post here by pointing out that you are "progressives", not "liberals", a term stolen after America got fed up with progressivism the first time, and many of your other fallacies and misconceptions.
Funny how all the abortion lovers call themselves "pro choice". These are the same folks who favor; 1) mandatory helmet laws (even though helmets increase you chances of having an accident; that's why it's illegal to wear a helmet while driving a car in many states), 2) firearm confiscation (even though communities that are known to be well armed have lower crime rates, and let's not even consider that outdated old Constitution), 3) banning smoking in privately owned businesses (after all, there should be no privately owned businesses, right?), 4) eliminating current, and preventing future school voucher programs, 5) forced charity (which isn't charity at all) through redistribution of wealth, etc.etc.
And what other choices are there in birth control? Abstinence, vasectomy, hysterectomy, condoms, pill, patches, IUDs, spermicides. Now don't tell me about condom failure (ask Planned Parenthood, seems they like handing out condoms with the highest failure rate), cuz all ya gotta do is double up on protection. What're the chances of condom failure? Divide that by the failure rate of redundant measures and the chances of unwanted pregnancy is about the same as getting hit by a meteorite. And if an unwanted pregnancy does occur? How about adoption, or, God forbid, raising the child?
I worked at a bar in a college town in California and met two young women who were raising kids they hadn't planned on. Both told me that they had planned on getting abortions, but had put it off too long. Irresponsible behavior begets irresponsible behavior. I'd bet that the number of unwanted children is actually higher since Roe v Wade for that very reason. Rape and incest? How about working on eliminating rape and incest? Many vehicles I see have "Visualize World Peace" stickers next to the "Pro Choice and I Vote" stickers. Before we can have world peace we must have a country free of rape and incest.
So, what's the problem? Too lazy and cheap to buy a condom? Are you one of those clowns that complain "Oh, baby. It just doesn't feel the same."? Is your wingman a roofie?
Abortion has a negative effect on us all. Who are you, or anyone else, to determine what constitutes a "person"? Legalized abortion has opened a very dangerous door, and if you don't believe me, look at some of the comments on this thread. "Leave grandma and grandpa in the car in 20 below weather and see if their old hearts can still pump blood-slush". I guess grandma and grandpa aren't "persons" anymore. Outlived their usefulness, huh? Even though they paid into a system all their lives, they're now cramping your style, huh? Who's next? Those children who are born, but then their mothers decide they really don't want them? What age limit should we put on being a "person"? 2 years through 65 years? It won't be long before you justify loading the Jews into boxcars, although this time it will probably be the Christians first.
I'll deal with your other lame statements later.
Really, you think I'm ignorant of how the exclusion principle explains how the degeneracy pressure prevents white dwarfs from further collapsing into neutron stars, but mix it up with how neutron degeneracy provided by the repulsive aspect of the strong force prevent neutron stars from collapsing into black holes, and you claim I'm the one who's ignorant? Sorry, but anyone who supports fucking creationism and denies the proven reality of climate change can't turn to science, idiot.
He was from Quebec.
Competing sides of the same coin. Big government in bed with a select few privately owned businesses, or big government owning all businesses. The Founders wouldn't approve of either. : )
Very good, bot-boi. I wonder what other trick I can make you do? : )
And I don't believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old, you just can't handle the fact that there are many shades of grey in the world. You have your beliefs, and anyone who disagrees goes into a neat little pile. Why do you have to be so bigoted?
Howdy, "Flame Warrior", why'd you run off from Breitbart like a cut pup the other day?
How many people die in automobile accidents in this country? How many die from drug abuse? There are too many factors to list as to why the statistics are what they are. Nobody goes to Cuba for an operation, but many come here, why's that? Access to health care? Just go to an emergency room. Everybody in this country has access to health care.
I just wonder how the numbers would change if it weren't for the horrendous conditions in many of our major cities, you know, the ones that have been run by dimocrats for the last 50 years.
Howdy, "Flame Warrior", why'd you run off from Breitbart like a cut pup the other day? I thought I'd make a good-faith effort to correct some of the factual errors being propagated over there. Got bored, once I confirmed the extent to which the ignorance being peddled over there is willful. Hope you guys enjoy the view from your fact-free echo-chamber, though; the rest of us will be busy trying to deal with the real world, in spite of you.
Access to health care? Just go to an emergency room. Everybody in this country has access to health care. You really are the dumbest motherfucker. First off, that's not what access how access is measured. Second, use of Emergency Room care for non-critical care that a) is vastly more efficiently provided elsewhere and b) foisted on hospitals to bear, who pass it on to insurers, raising everyone's premiums, is one of the most notorious needless inflater of health care costs, and one of the single most obviously mitigated by universal coverage. Yheah, good example of something that America does right, right there.
Nobody goes to Cuba for an operation, but many come here, why's that? Probably because the main thing that boosts the quality of Cuba's health care isn't their access to drugs or technology, but their enormous oversupply of physicians. And places that desperately need physicians consequentially often have Cubans come to them- thanks to that oversupply, Cuban physicians are a mainstay of international aid groups. Pretty sure there's a few political reasons there isn't a lot of health tourism to Cuba, as well, not to mention the fact that most people who can't afford to treat their cancer can't afford to fly to Sweden or Costa Rica, either, making health tourism a moot point.
As far as the rest, what? Are things like public health suddenly not part of health care systems? Our system has major problems. We get the worst value for our money of any country in the entire world. Our outcomes would be braggable for the third world, but middle-of-the-pack for the second world and insulting for the first world. Excuses and platitutes are nice and all, but America needs solutions.
That's it Hush Puppy, I got as far as "motherfucker" and I'm done with you.
PS: Your mom can't keep a secret worth a damn. : )
Wait, is that all it takes to get rid of you? Well, I think "dumb motherfucker" is about to be come the new "scheisskopf", in that case.
You dumb-ass motherfucker.
Translation: I can't actually address the facts, but the mean old liberal said a bad word. I win!
Wait, did some dumb motherfucker just imply that William F. Buckley, Jr. was a secret leftist? Because… because that's what it just sounded like.
Or the new "poopyhead."
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