After seeing Rep. Gabirelle Giffords and others gunned down in Tucson on Saturday, the grieving people of Arizona came together to express a single, heartfelt sentiment: “We have to get ourselves one of those awesome gunz!” Yes, the gun shops in Arizona simply can’t keep Glocks like the one allegedly used by Jared Loughner on their shelves, as Arizona was impressed by just how good that gun was at shooting people. And these gun people have to buy one of these Glocks RIGHT NOW. They’re afraid they may be made illegal and they won’t be able to get their hands on a great murder-kitsch conversation piece, which they can put above their kids’ toys on the mantel and show off to the other non-foreclosed family in the subdivision when they come by to visit.
[Shop owner Greg] Wolff called the shooting “horrible.” Nonetheless, it has created a surge of publicity for the gun, he said.
“It’s in the news now. I’m sure the Green Bay Packers are selling all kinds of jerseys today as well,” he said. “I just think our state embraces guns.”
Yeah, same thing. One of those things is a part of a game people like to play and watch when they’re drunk. The other is football. [Bloomberg, who is an independent just like Loughner, hmm]
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Some of the really dumb ones bought Glockenspiels.
holy crap, I was just thinking about that kind of glock. I would have loved playing that in marching band.
Because those have got to be betterer, right? They have more letters and sound more German.
There's a joke in there about a new version of Tubular Bells, the instrument announcement at the end of side one, and the confusion of "glock" and "glockenspiel," but I don't know what it is, and it isn't that funny, so here's a version of Tubular Bells that you can watch while getting stoned and/or sending explicit messages to a male page.
Channeling Neilist: Obviously a 9mm isn't worth a damn. Hopefully these new sales are getting .40SW or .45ACP if they want to do more than just maim elected officials.
Also he might point out that the kitten-threatening gun in the photo above is not a Glock, but rather a ________ , which has ___ % better accuracy, and can be ordered with extended clips that hold ___ rounds.
Could that picture be perceived as a symbol that is threatening or inciting violence against cats?
Cats are also known as pussies, which is a derogatory term used for women and effeminate men, so obviously Jack wants us to kill the wimmins and gays and hates his mother. God-damned gynophobe . . .
It looks like a Beretta M9 (or clone) also 9mm. Not a fan…
Dear Mr. Bonzos:
Franklin and I urge you strongly not to mention this "Neilist" person. He spent all his time and energy counterproductively, by not agreeing with the "common wisdom"; not leaping to conclusions; and repeating the nonsensical idea that "facts matter."
He also seemed to think that this "website" is about "snark," when it clearly is not.
Groupthink and herd behavior are, as we call can agree, the Measure of True Liberals. Mentioning this "Neilist" person disturbs the tranquility of the masses, and is to be discouraged.
Cordially,
Eleanor
P.S. The kitten in that picture one of Franklin's Hot Springs, GA "secretaries." She tells me that the weapon pointed at her is not a "Glock,," but a stainless steel Beretta 92F.
And not only are you defaming a great person, who was the wife of the greatest president this country ever had, but projecting – groupthink and herd behavior are common among conservatives, not liberals; but I guess you must have missed how we were all attacking the shitheads at Huffington Post this morning.
Dear SorosBot:
Your use of expletives to express your anger and frustration is deeply offensive. It also increases the level of violent discourse in this country, contributes to the already heated nature of political debate, and may be responsible for the senseless murder of another 9 year old girl.
If you cannot control your language, and continue to refuse to recognize the danger inherent in your use of such offensive terms, I respectfully suggest that you stop posting on this website.
Cordially,
Eleanor
Oh no, I used expletives and naughty language? Will somebody think of the Victorian prudes? Well there is only one thing I can say to that accusation:
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker.
You're a cock-sucking, ass-licking uncle fucker.
You're an uncle fucker, yes it's true.
NOBODY fucks uncles quite like you.
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker.
You're the one who fucked your uncle, uncle fucker.
You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn, just fuck your uncle all day long.
Uncle fucker. Uncle fucker. Uncle fucker.
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker. (Uncle fucker.)
You're a boner-biting bastard uncle fucker.
You're an uncle fucker, I must say.
Well, you fucked your uncle yesterday!
Uncle fucker, that's U-N-C-L-E fuck you!
Uncle fucker … Suck my balls.
//// " the greatest president this country ever had, …" ////
HAHAHAHAHAH Man, you are the most braindead insect on this site. That idiot FDR turned a depression into a GREAT depression. Whatta maroon.
Of course FDR wasn' t the worst, that title is held by the current occupier of White House. I can't believe that twit turned a memorial service into a pep rally.
"19 people were shot, 6 of them died, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7mhjcy9NTkQA6l...
Real classy, Obama.
Please, spare us channeling Neilist. I'd rather to channel a demon from pits of hell, honestly. You know, real evil, instead of sad, annoying contrarianism.
Big deal, I made chili in my glock pot yesterday.
Don't know how many other states allow the liquor store/gun shop combo, but here in AZ we're proud to sponsor.
Makes as much sense as selling beer at the gas station.
There's one in Uvalde, TX. We passed it on vacation last year — my husband had to get one of their t-shirts. The owner said that someone actually tried to rob him once. I guess he was off his glocker.
USA! USA! Exceptional.
There's one in Uvalde, TX. We passed it on vacation last year — my husband had to get one of their t-shirts. The owner said that someone actually tried to rob him once. I guess he was off his glocker.
That's amazing — but you know what would be a great marketing idea? Gun/TV stores. Because every idiot with a handgun goes full Elvis on his tube at least once. And now that the cheap ones are five hundred bucks a pop, you could make a ki — uh, a mint.
There's one on the north end of Uvalde TX heading out on US 83. But, Texas, so there ya go.
I've had a glock for a few years now. Sigh….I guess I'll have to sell it now that it is trendy. I so hate carrying the same fashions as everyone else.
Me too. I wonder what the next hipster ironic firearm will be?
Knowing those jackasses, a blunderbuss.
Full-auto PBR?
PBR
Pabst Blue Ribbon? Is that in the handy six-pack or by the case?
HEINEKEN?!? FUCK that shit! Pabst Blue Ribbon!
Shillelagh.
Mannlicher-Carcano fixie.
T-Shirt Cannon.
Go for the Ruger.
Keep it but act smug and say snarky things about suburban posers and cheap bottom end models. Check out a BMW board for some ideas.
Yeah, I found myself getting super defensive, like I had a Glock before Glocks were cool. Like you discovered this sweet little bistro a month ago, then it gets big and all of a sudden, like, uncool people heard about it on Groupon or some fucking thing.
Now suddenly WHO THE FUCK are all these idiots buying up all my 9×19 rounds and driving the price through the fucking SKY while the arms manufacturers and weapons dealers make total epic
CASH MONEYSURVEYOR'S MARKS hand over fucking fist.When the 10+ mags were restricted (never illegal), the only thing that happened was the price went up. You could buy one any day you want. You could own as many as you want. But after the cut date, no new ones could be manufactured or imported.
But the lead time was such that they ran the factories around the clock and landed every fucking banana clip and hi capacity mag they could on our soil before the cut date.
The furor raised by the NRA, publicity, ranting, whatever, just meant the price shot up. That's all. And meanwhile the NRA has a field day fundraising, by billing it as a unbearable encroachment on the second amendment.
It's true that I'm feeling a little more cynical than usual this week. But the short version is that the assault weapons ban is little more than a sales tool for the arms industry, and a fundraising tool for the NRA. It does not affect weapon availability or access to weapons. All it affects is the price.
Dear Mr. "Dog":
Please stop confusing the Wonketteers with your annoying "facts."
If you are going to continue to post in here, you will have to realize that "facts don't matter."
"Feelings" are what is important — at least, to all True Liberals.
Cordially,
Eleanor
You've kind of got things reversed there moron; conservatives are the ones who don't care about the facts. Liberals are not the one advocating teaching the lie of creationism in schools, or denying the proven reality that the Earth's climate is changing because of carbon dioxide emissions, or who claim that the Civil War was not really about slavery.
Opposite of the truth.
It took me a couple of posts to realize it was you. This thread was crying for you, as I am sure you can see, "Eleanor."
"Yeah, Honey, let's get us one of those Glocks before they outlaw them. Hell yeah!!"
I wonder if they'll go all out and buy the extended clip, too. Idiots.
This opens up a whole new world for the advertisement industry.
The more I hear how crazy people are, I am kind of hoping the world will end on May 21 & we can start from scratch. I mean how many single-cell life forms carry guns?
They just absorb their enemies amoeba-style, so much more civilized and less wasteful.
"It's a pseudopod–an elegant weapon for a more civilized age"
Wow, combining biology and Star Wars geekery in less than a dozen words. Well played, my friend.
Largely just playing off your own post, good Doctor Girlfriend.
If you'd ever been to a Tea Party rally you could get a fairly accurate estimate.
All of them, Katie!
That's why I'm stocking up on Arizona Hispanics.
Coffee, meet monitor. Monitor, meet coffee.
Make sure they're gay nurse trainees if you want to be really safe.
All kinds of win.
True fact: After the OJ Simpson slo-mo "chase," sales of white Ford Broncos also increased.
Tragedy, fear, and morose obsession with both always lead to our best consumerist impulses. Yay, us.
That was due more to their getting about 8 MPG with a good tailwind. The smaller SUV's were taking off at that point too. I still hear bubbas mourning "full size Blazers and Broncos".
Leading to the great Arrested Development joke:
Car Salesman: Yeah, the Bronco's been discontinued. We're trying to shed that whole fugitive-on-the-run thing. This is the Escape.
George Sr.: What a fun name. May I test drive?
Oh ye gods. This fucking country…
If you see a news report about a crazy man going on a shin-kicking spree in Washington state, that was me.
In your newly-purchased Seahawks jersey, one presumes.
Naw, we Seahawks won't just be kicking shins; we're loaded for bear.
I will please to have my team seeing yours at Qwest Field two weeks from now.
Well, do have a good time down in ATL this week. Remember, it's just a game.
Try to see if Nike will sponsor it. It'll be money for you and free advertising for them so it'll be a win/win
Nike should partner with the makers of Glock…."Just Do It!"
It's the dorks buying 21-round clips we need to watch.
That's why I stick with 20-round mags. It's that extra round that makes you crazy.
The last I'd heard, there were at least FOUR heat packing, law abiding, upstanding Arizonians in the crowd when Loughner went berzerker.
You know how many of them exercised their 2nd remedies in defense against his assault?
ZERO.
You know who actually DID get up the gumption to neutralize the nut job?
THREE UNARMED (AND WOUNDED!) SENIOR FUCKING CITIZENS.
So fuck you, you scared little fucking Glock-suckers.
FUCK. YOU.
They aren't called the greatest generation for nothing.
I'm getting me one of them unarmed, wounded senior citizens. For home defense only, of course.
HURRY UP…. Prices for them have SHOT THRU THE ROOF!!!!
(way too soon?)
Just keep a trigger lock on them. You don't want them going off half-cocked.
The gentlemen who helped tackle the gunman almost shot the man standing there with the murder weapon in his hand. He'd picked it up to keep the killer from using it – and that simple act of courage almost cost him his life.
This is why the gunfuckers' appeal to the holy rites of self-defense is unconvincing. I was at the Tucson post office in 1998 when a crazy woman started shooting into the lobby (She's mentioned near the end of this story on Loughner); in all the confusion, it would have been very easy for any of us there to mistake a "defender" returning fire for the original shooter.
EDIT: Jesus, pop culture really has taken over my brain. I suppose I shoulda said "in all the confusion, I lost track of whether she fired 5 shots, or 6"
Do ya feel lucky?
Exactly. This isn't fucking Call of Duty.
Cops in Baltimore apparently have trouble telling the difference, too.
Don't forget teh gay who helped out.
That would be the *Latino* gay (aka David Hernandez) who helped out.
Hispanic homo FTW.
I hereby coin the term Hispanomo. I expect royalties.
VERY INTERESTING.
Four down fists on this baby in the space of a few minutes.
Today none of us are Latino homosexuals who know first aid.
I think the Breitbarttroll who keeps changing his name has been getting some of his fellow travelers to follow him in down-fisting us.
With all this covert fisting going on, you'd think we were in a bathroom in the Minneapolis airport with Larry Craig.
Also "their 2nd AMENDMENT remedies", goddammit.
So they're packing heat and too afraid to use it? Pussies.
C'mon hag. If it's not a Glock, why bother?
Just panicked and froze, most likely.
These kidz today….
The Senior probably said, hey, what the hell, I am almost dead anyway.
That is a good insight EXT, those wimpy glock-losers
WW II vet?
An elderly lady grabbed his clip. They make grannies tough out west.
When discussing the pointlessness of glock-sucking with pro-concealed carry people in the past I've tried to break it down for them this way: If you are carrying a concealed weapon and are on the street and someone walks up to you to rob you what is the critical difference between you and the robber? The robber has his gun in his hand. Where is your gun, again? Oh, right.
:: sniff ::
I love you, man.
At least there's a list of all these new registered Glock owners, so we'll have a paper trail on the next series of disenfranchised crackers.
The ones not buying from some 13 year old in a parking lot.
Sorry, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but sadly, there is no list. No list, no registration, no training, and, often, no background check required. Thanks, NRA! Assholes.
Can't we start a petition or somthing to get this state out of our Union. You know how red is the new black….AZ has turned into the new FLA.
Yeah, I guess Arizona has pretty good gun craziness.
But in Florida, we've got this.
Well since that puppy actually did fire a gun in self-defense I guess the NRA is right!
I'd pay a lot for a glock with "Wonkette" pearl-inlaid on it. Ken? Neilist?
Now THAT would sell in the WonkStore!!!
Please do not mention this "Neilist" person. He scorned us by voluntarily deleting his name.
He apparently got upset when we took offense that he pointed out that most Wonketteers are hypocritical poseurs who leap to whatever conclusions fits their views of the World.
We know better: "Snark" is appropriate only when tastefully done, and directed at a target we don't like.
Good riddance to "Neilist," I say. This blog will be a better, happier place — in fact, a Worker's Utopia like 1930s Russian or today's China — without him.
Cordially,
Eleanor
Fuck off, Neilist. Now, go back into your room, close the door, and drink alone with only your guns present like you are wont to do.
Dear "Negro":
I deeply regret the degeneration in discourse marked by your use of language for which the leaders of your great race with whom I had the privilege to deal — Booker T. Washington, W.E.B. Debois; Walter White — would justifiably upbraided you.
I only hope that, when the next event of public violence occurs as a result of such hateful and degraded language, the victims do not include a 9 year old member of your race.
Cordially,
Eleanor
Do not mention he-who-shall-not-be-named, because like a retarded Beetlejuice or a bootlegged Candyman, the fucker here's his name and pops up like some gun-disfigured gopher.
If you outlaw Glocks, only Glock owners will own Glocks.
Glocks come from Austria. Do we know who else came from Austria?
Falco?
No no. He means the other one, whathisname. Mozart.
Der Kommissar? Hey! One two!
Paul Hogan?
Mel Gibson.
No she talking about Steve Erwin Right. Now that guy should have packin'. Oh, wait….do guns work under water?
Schwarzenegger? You're bitter about California's fucked up budget, aren't you?
Da Terminator
Kurt Waldheim?
Juiced Schwartzeneggers?
Freud!
FTW?
Bastid! Beat me to it.
Conservative Economist Ludwig von Mises?
The original Englebert Humperdink?
Marie Antoinette?
Sigmund Freud? He had some ideas about the meaning of guns, too.
The Von Trapps of course.
Josef Fritzl.
Mozart? Hayden? The Strausses? Freud? (He might be useful for figuring out the nut killer.)
Wait, it's fellow victim of an assassination attempt Archduke Franz Ferdinand!
Another situation demonstrating conclusively that with the use of a gun, all problems can be solved once and for all. Also.
If I remember correctly, someone threw a cartoonishly constructed bomb into his carriage.
Guns. The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
Franz Klammer? (No, really. I want to know.)
charlie chaplin ?
That picture of the kitten still cracks me up.
Sales of kitten pictures are up like 3,000 percent in Arizona.
handgun sales ticked up yesterday 65 percent in Ohio
God Damn Ohio-ans, this happened in AZ…look at a fucking map!
Maybe they know that stiffer mental health tests for prospective gun buyers are on the way, and, well…, you know… Also.
Geography has never been one of Ohio's strong points. Come to think of it, I don't believe Ohio has any strong points.
TONY MOTHERFUCKING PACKO'S.
It's not Kentucky!
Besides, in Ohio massacres the government agents have historically been the perpetrators, not the victims.
They're preparing to invade Arizona.
I just wanna say, if that kitten ends up dead, nowhere you hide will be safe, Jack.
who didn't 'celebrate' this tragedy by buying a shiny new Aaron Rodgers jersey?
I didn't – I hate the damn Packers!
don't confuse – i just bought it to use as a 'clean up' shirt. Go Bears.
Absolutely…go Bears!
There's no such thing as bad publicity.
I'd bet high capacity magazines of all types are flying off the shelves as well. But what else should we expect? An examination of mental health care in the US, discussion of how unstable people fall through the cracks for lack of 'mental records' like criminal records or consideration of how HIPAA cripples background checks (NICS) for gun sales? No, that might require actual thought outside the box for both sides instead of the usual posturing and territorial pissing. Nothing to see here, move along…
tl.dr
Colts and Kimbers are what you show your friends, Glocks are what you show your enemies.
Seriously, not to Neilist out on y'all, but a Glock is just a well made gun that is hella reliable. That this asshole happened to use it (with a 33 round mag) to shoot a shitload of people doesn't make them any worse than any other semiautomatic pistol.
and before you go conflating what semiautomatic means, it's just not a revolver.
anyway, today we are all gonna rock out with the glock out, or something. hatefist away.
I'm not hatefisting you, but will get a bit pedantic and point out that a revolver is not a pistol, and that semiautomatic just means that it automatically reloads after each round is fired, but only fires a single round per trigger pull (unless something really bad happens, in which case it is probably going to blow up in your face). And yes, I realize that for some people the revolver is/isn't a pistol is a greater point of contention than whether emacs or vi is the most perfect text editor ever created. And yes, it's vi, because really, who needs all that other pseudo-gui crap if all you're doing is writing or coding?
Man, I don't think I understood one word of that.
"Shit-for-brains bigot."
Liberal
And I thought I had a hard time staying on topic. Should that make sense within the context of this thread?
Poppyhead (as in opium addict).
I'm low on food, full on beer and in a lot of pain right now, so my posts may lack a bit of focus at times. And I was throwing out some geek flamebait at the end there, just because I'm feeling dickish.
No, it's not you; it's that I don't know anything about guns or programming (if that's what that second part was about).
vi RULES!
Revolvers are pistols. Pistol is a synonym for "handgun." Revolver is short for "revolving pistol," as in "The Colt Revolving Belt Pistol of Naval Caliber."
I have a new gun control idea. If we gave all guns comically long names, it would a) create a built in waiting period, and b) make people too embarrassed to carry them.
Can you imagine, in the heat of rage, rushing into the gun store and demanding to buy a Colt Revolving Pistol of Naval Caliber? By the time you got to Caliber, you'd have cooled off.
Similarly, "yo, bitch, I'm gonna cap your ass with my Colt Revolving Pistol of Naval Caliber." Just doesn't flow.
Problem solved. Time to get drunk.
With all this man-talk, I can't believe Neilist hasn't taken the bait. He must have one less nut than I thought. Or is it "fewer"?
Dear "Bitch":
Your name is offensive. Please change it immediately. Remember that, to a True Liberal, your 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech is no more legitimate than the 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms.
As Associate Justice Oliver Wendall Holmes, Jr. once wrote,"there is no right to yell 'BITCH' in a crowded Harlem nightclub."
Cordially,
Eleanor
Uh, no, liberals protect the right to free speech that conservatives abhor; and what part of "A well regulated militia" do you not understand?
Dear Mr. SorosBot:
Please, please stop the hateful and offensive rhetoric. I am sure — or at least hope — that you do not want the death of another 9 year old girl on your conscience.
Your hateful attacks are contributing to the overly heated debate that has traumatized this nation.
If you do not care for yourself, think of the CHILDREN.
Cordially,
Eleanor
Dear Eleanor,
Your lack of a clue regarding a Dead Milkmen reference is disresepectful to dead milkmen everywhere, you stupid cunt.
Sincerely,
Crank
I heart-fisted you, because I understand arms to some degree. That, and you're not flaming like Neilist did on Saturday.
I am aware of defensive pistoling, and I have shot my share — including an AR-15 that gave me the biggest stiffie I've ever enjoyed in all-male company. But we didn't "go all the way," because I don't heart weaponry as much as others do.
Personally, I'd rather have a revolver, anyway. Damn near certain to shoot every time, and they're way scarier. But I'm also not waving one around as a deterrent.
True that. I have a couple of Glocks (one of which is on loan to a friend for competition purposes), and they are (pardon the feeble pun) bulletproof. I don't shoot them quite as well as my SW M&P Pro, but that's not something I'd carry around on a regular basis.
And PLEASE people… It's NOT a clip. A clip is a strip of metal that you can use to jam shells into a weapon (much like the old M1 Garand). It is a magazine. I know your rap music has caused confusion, but please keep your terminology accurate.
They are in fact hella reliable, but hard to shoot accurately without a lot of target practice. Glocks kick like a mule.
Only if daddy is letting his little darling shoot it.
Dear Wonketteers:
Several of the above posters show a disturbing familiarity with firearms. They also make potentially offensive comments, possibility in an misguided attempt at "humor."
I suggest that all these posters be reported to the police, and to mental health authorities, before they does something really horrible and proof positive of future violent behavior . . . .say. laughing at a junior college classmate's poem about her abortion.
Cordially,
Eleanor
P.s. Don't their avatars also look a bit "creepy"? Better call 9-1-1 IMMEDIATELY.
What's not funny about a junior college student's poem about her abortion? Getting an abortion is just awesome, it's certainly not a painful procedure that people try to avoid which is very necessary for women to be able to control their own future and only pure evil people would want to outlaw; and we liberals all just love to have abortion parties, where we just impregnate girls then they have abortions on the spot.
Dear Mr. SorosBot:
Your comments denigrate all women everywhere, and are deeply offensive.
You may find the tragedy of a young woman's abortion funny. A True Liberal does not — unless, of course, the herd is moving in that direction.
Then, of course, such comments are wry humor and penetrating insights into the Human Condition.
Cordially,
Eleanor
Tragedy? A medical procedure is only a tragedy if something goes wrong. Women who get abortions do so because they don't want to be pregnant, how can you describe someone having a procedure they want a "tragedy"? Really, there hasn't been anything tragic about abortions since the bad old days before Roe v Wade, when women were often killed because they had to turn to illegal, unsafe back-alley abortions, the state that the woman-hating right-wing wants to return us to.
It's like the Honda Accord of semiautomatic handguns.
A bit of music for the occasion.
No Glock, c'lom Fliday.
+1,000 p points for the WSB reference
And let us avoid thinking about WSB's history with firearms.
Was this really the kind of advertising that the people of Glock really wanted? Never mind, stupid question. Right now, in a board room at Colt Manufacturing, someone in marketing and sales is trying to figure out how to get an ad in the next issue of Guns And Ammo, proclaiming that Gabrielle Giffords would not be alive right now if Loughner would have use a fine piece of American engineering like the Colt .45 ACP.
And if Ted Kennedy drove a Volkswagen…
Dear "DoktorZoom":
I, and every True Liberal, are deeply offended by your reference to the tragic death of Mary Jo Kopechne. She was an innocent young girl in the prime of life, equivalent to a 9 year old gunned down in front of an Arizona Safeway.
You should be ashamed of your tasteless, humorless reference to this horrible event. and delete your post immediately.
Cordially,
Eleanor
She's someone who died tragically, and ever since her death has been used to slander a good man as a murderer, and you are a concern troll. Next.
The 'third rail' in this country used to be Social Security. Now it's gun control and the hard right prefers the 2nd Amendment over all others. While this tragedy will raise more money for the NRA and up Glock's quarterly profits the organized message is that anyone who blames this on angry rhetoric (or as one person wrote, "reasonable concerns") from multimillionaire hatemongers is worse than this deranged young man.
Yes, suggesting that Beck's or Limbaugh's or Hannity's rants might poison our national rhetoric or inflame already psychotic minds is an insult to all that they stand for. And profit by. The mere idea of a 'liberal media' is as tired a canard as 'fair and balanced: you decide'.
If anything inflames these self-appointed defenders of American values it's the idea that they might somehow be contradicted publicly, thus their hatred for the return of the fairness doctrine to the airwaves. Over the last 30 years the right wing machine has pushed objective journalism into a corner, where 'one person says this, another person says that' replaces a honest analysis of the preponderance of the facts. One climate change denier is equal to all scientists. One creationist is equal to all scientists.
Whether it's the fear of no longer being a white majority, or economic changes beyond their ability to grasp, or the slickness of the hate media and the huge tsunami of money companies can use to control our lives, most Americans prefer to stick to their long-term beliefs and ignore any evidence to the contrary.
A mentally-ill young man slipped through the cracks and committed a massacre for which he should face the punishment he deserves. And all of the rest of us are victims of his act.
HERE HERE (Shootin' my pistol in the air).
Right on, Mao Cat.
And the flip side of that coin…
Anyone who disagrees with the Left is a racist, ignorant, bible thumping idiot who doesn't think for themselves and only cares about their guns. If they were smart enough, they would see the error of their way and join the left.
I'm not defending the Right, cause they are wrong half of the time, but the Left has it wrong half of the time too.
"Violent Rhetoric" is spewed plentifully from both sides, and we citizens are caught in the middle. Surprise! Some citizens are taking sides, BOTH sides, in dangerous ways. What did we expect?
first things first. We have the dinosaur bones to prove that bible-thumping idiots are ignorant. Clean out that closet first.
I assume that is a joke?
Is your question a joke?
You first.
You're assuming the Bible is real?
I assume you know what they say about "assuming"?
…Most likely because they needed a nicer way to call you an ass.
THERE IT IS AGAIN!
Assumption?
NO! LIBRAL VIOLENCE!!
I don't disagree entirely with you. But I do want to point out one thing: when a person who represents the right attacks the left using the rhetoric of the pulpit, and of hate, and of racism – and we've all seen the big name players from the right do this repeatedly, let's be honest – then they will get called racist, bible thumping idiots.
And one last point – if these people don't want to be called "ignorant" then I recommend they desist with the "elitist" slur against anyone who chooses their words carefully when they speak, or against anyone who wants to actually analyse a situation and not swallow the status quo.
I see your point, but I hestitate to not point out the viscious circle this is turning into. One side does it to us, so we return the favor kinda thing.
I do hear the big name players from the right, say things I don't agree with. Particularly their views on religion. But people like Bill Press, and Mario Marich, who are on the progressive station, tell me I'm not as smart as them because I don't agree with them. They call me a racist, rightie nutjob, knuckle dragger ect.
I have yet to find someone truely worthy of being called elitist, though some are getting close.
"Bill Press, and Mario Marich"
Yeah, there's a couple of household names. No doubt they hold sway over a devoted audience of hundreds.
(this is literally the first time I've heard of them…possibly that has something to do with the radio market here in Boise)
False equivalency. It's a little different when the violent rhetoric comes from actual high-ranking politicians and powerful media voices, and when it comes from some random dude on the street.
"violent rhetoric comes from actual high-ranking politicians"
Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
Haha! Do you even take your own comments seriously?
What you just don't get – maybe it's choice, maybe not – is that your little list from Rush's site or wherever pales into insignificance alongside the bible thumping racist violent spew that is coming from the Right.
Next idiot, please.
Poopyhead who is unwilling to notice the difference between inflammatory violent rhetoric and the use of mild cliches.
1: Google "insurrectionist timeline"
2: realize just how massively one-sided real-life political violence has been in the US since 2008
3: cry
When I listen to talk radio on the Right, I hear violent rhetoric. When I listen to talk radio on the Left, yes there is talk radio on the Left, I hear violent rhetoric.
As far as political figures, I haven't hear one "incite" violence. I've only heard a blame game. The Pubs caused it by doing/not doing this and that. The Dems are to blame they acted incorrectly or failed to act.
I don't see the difference.
And so I scrolled down an inch…
That is the beauty of the internet. (Scroll up a little on the page to just above the message header for Makemyownchoice to see why I am SO amused.)
There's no Left in America. There are various rightie factions, some nuttier than others. Intelligent righties have been pushed into the "independant" category.
Yeah, I remember when Al Franken used to have that show on Air America. Good ol' Al, always exhorting us commies to rise up for the People's Glorious Revolution, take back the country, while ululating and shrieking Allah akhbar! and waving our Gadsden flags. Good times.
Begone, troll. Come back when you can make factual assertions.
Sockpuppet poopyhead.
Look at Makemyownchoice's history – he's (I'm assuming because of the love for metal penis-substitute death machines) just registered a few days ago and every comment is trolling here, making the same arguments as the Breitbarters but trying to come off as if he's from a mainstream media style "both sides are equally guilty" manner, but he manages to use a few too many phrases like "political correctness" that show he's really a wingnut.
Yeah, because a lot of liberals are showing up across the street from a Town Hall rally featuring an African-American President, strapped with an assault rifle and a pistol, claiming that they are expressing their Second Amendment Rights.
And there is a large quantity of Democratic Senator candidates telling their constituency that if they don't get what they want from their government, they should be prepared to take Second Amendment remedies.
Shall I continue?
Simply carrying a gun doesn't mean anything. You feared what you thought was their intention of violence. Carrying a gun doesn't mean your intending violence.
"And there is a large quantity of Democratic Senator candidates telling their constituency…"
Misprint with Democratic Senators? Or are you making my point for me?
OMG you really have nothing. You're actually starting to depress me with your emptiness.
Well you just accurately described the original Black Panthers, but although their actions of carrying guns to protect from the real threat of government violence seems like something the teabaggers who carry guns to protect from an imaginary threat of the same would admire, they instead call them "liberal terrorists".
Hm, I wonder what shade of difference causes that apparent dichotomy.
Well, I turned into a lefty slowly, in the course of a life-time of being used and abused by righties. And I don't need to own a gun because I have a big d*ck and live in a non-gun-crazy country.
Kudos! I'm still in the middle myself. Currently taking abuse from lefties and righties.
No, you're a right-winger who pretends to be in the middle; we are actually on to you. For example, only conservatives use the phrase "political correctness", which is whining about being called on for saying something racist or otherwise bigoted.
In the '70s, there were a lot of lefty terrorists in the USA. But nowadays, the great majority of home-grown terrorists are righties. It's not 50-50 left-right, it's more like 10% center right and 90% hard right.
In further surprising news, the sky is blue and the grass is green!
It's always been the case, going all the way back from the terrorists traitors who fired the first shot in the War of Treason in Defense of Slavery. The only times there were significant left-wing terrorists were with the anarchists and communists from the 1890 to the 1920s, and in the 60s and 70s; and both times it was in reaction to far worse violence from right-wingers, like say the Pinkertons, the Klan and the various unorganized thugs who descended on Vietnam protests to beat people. Oh, and in of those cases, cops.
How would the return of the Fairness Doctrine prevent "'one person says this, another person says that'" or bring back "honest analysis of the preponderance of the facts"? Wikipedia:
"The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission's view, honest, equitable and balanced. The 1949 Commission Report served as the foundation for the Fairness Doctrine since it had previously established two more forms of regulation onto broadcasters. These two duties were to provide adequate coverage to public issues and that coverage must be fair in reflecting opposing views."
Sounds like legislating false equivalence. Also sounds like the Left projecting onto the Fairness Doctrine as the panacea of all our media gripes, much like our projection onto Obama.
when the left gets their very own tv station, let me know.
According to these guys MSNBC is the EXACT SAME THING as Fox because they have now three shows hosted by liberals; ignore that Morning Joe guy or the regular commentary from Pat Buchanan.
The left doesn't need their very own tv station to be heard. (Though there is debate about them having one or not) I managed to find my way to left views. In Denver you only need a radio, which is much cheaper than cable so you can watch FOX or MSNBC.
tl'dr
In most places it's noon….in Arizona it's 12 o'glock. So an insane person uses a gun to kill a bunch of people and everyone runs out to buy the same gun….what a bunch of glocksuckers.
Yeah, one a typical day AZ kinda sucks, but you should really be there for Glocktoberfest.
I'm guessing they really rock around the glock for that.
Gotta snap 'em up before Obama bans 'em…
I'm just imagining the smiles on my kids' faces when they find that I've pawned the wii and bought them matching Glock .40s and 1000 rounds of ammo. They're going to have an AWESOME time running through the woods playing tag with those toys.
Thought he already did, along with incandescent light bulbs.
Every day I spend with my fluorescents is another day I appreciate my old incandescents. At least when the incandescent bulbs burn out, I didn't have a toxic cloud to vent, and I have yet to find a fluorescent that lasts 6 months or more. On a positive note, I'm saving a shitload on energy, because I've given up on replacing half my burnt-out bulbs. And my night vision is better than ever!
I had that issue for a bit when I bought this house. There were apparently two cables from the power running into my house and one of them was not quite fully connected at the pole. It also caused a lot of electronics failures. You might want to have an electrician check it out.
Also buttsex. Also.
Edit: buy Osram Sylvania lights because their parent company (Siemens) advertises here sometimes.
But then I'd have no reason to sit in shadows and curse the darkness. And I'd probably quit listening to so much damned Morrissey.
I haven't seen Siemen stains on Wonkette for a while.
Remember in late 2008 when gun stores were doing a land office business because the right wing nutz just knew President Obama was gonna ban all guns, magazines, ammo, et. al.?
That condition continues unabated here. Near impossible to find components to roll my own, too.
Sadly, I almost thumbed that down because I thought you meant that seriously; the recent troll invasions make it hard to tell when some is being sarcastic without clicking on their profile if I don't recognize them.
Nah, just gettin' my snark on.
I do note wild Pee fluctuations on this post, thought – I need more practice.
Getting jumpy aren't you. Here, hold my Glock, it'll calm us both down.
Keep the Packers out of your bat shit insane Arizona Panacea thank you.
Timecube reference? Terrible puns?
Wonkette, hire this man/woman/person of no specific gender identification.
Greg should embrace a gun with his lips and pull a Bud Dwyer.
“I just think our state embraces guns.”
I think your state embraces batshit crazy from the Governor on down and including Walnuts and fucking John Kyl.
Really, I didn't know that! I guess I need to be paying closer attention at who is banned and who isn't, just in case they start showing up at political meet and greets…
It was self-imposed, from the looks of things.
An honorable ban-kiri.
Hmmm, sounds enticing… linkety-link to it???
http://intensedebate.com/people/deleted7277251
Sorry for quick and dirty…
Thanks.
Looks like folks were taking things kinda' personally then.
Most have been "Too soon" as the funny people say…
It was Intense Debate suicide is what it was. I was the next-to-last person with whom he spoke on this mortal coil, so I've got that going for me. He equated guns killing people with cars killing people. Obviously then, at the end he was slipping quite badly.
They are always slipping, never missing a chance to showcase their liberal credentials. He just exposed himself more than most.
And you did a good thing helping him go away. He will be much happier on other forums where stupidity is cherished.
WarandGee also went away, but there was no exchange of words–just up and went. In fairness, Intense Debate makes me want to open a vein at times, too.
Monkey see. Monkey do.
What happens when there's a crowd of these Glock-toting people, and a car backfires or someone sets off a firework? Glad I'll never have to visit the God-forsaken place.
Let the herd-thinning commence
Walk around Chicago some time.
You'll feel extremely safe because the city has about the most strict gun control laws in the USA.
As a former resident, yes in fact it is very safe.
"As a former resident, yes in fact it is very safe. "
Chicago Once Again The US "Murder Capital"
Chicago Murder Rate Tops New York And Los Angeles
Ooh. a city of nearly nine million people had slightly more murders than two other really big cities, how scary! My god, that comes down to a per capita murder rate of .0000002 per capita!
Hey, I'll ignore the facts the murder (and violent crime in general) rate has been dropping steadily since the mid-90s, just like in every other major city in America; or that murders by strangers are pretty much non-existent, but instead are either crimes of passion (mostly abused women killed by piece of shit husbands/boyfriends) or criminals who know each other killing each other, a piece of shit website threw up some alarming headlines and misleading statistic which means I should accept it's unsafe, even though it's actually safe!
Fuck off asshole.
I prefer Springfield Arms myself. Glocks don't fit my hand too well.
I doubt Glocks get outlawed, if anything they'll try to outlaw semi-autos. Or, as GOP Rep. Peter King-NY is planning, outlaw guns within a certain distance of elected officials.
Good luck enforcing that one!
NEVER gonna happen. There will be an armed revolt if this even is suggested. There is no stomach in congress for any additional regulations. Personally, I think that those 30+ aftermarket mags are asinine, and would not weep if they were banned (however, there are non-defensive, competitive situations which could be impacted by ham-handedly-written bills).
There was no outcry after VA Tech. The hue and cry to regulate guns will subside in about 6 days (or around when the NRA starts making phone calls to their employees (politicians)).
I certainly hope it doesn't happen. The legislation passing is bad enough but and armed revolt is something I hope never to see. I also agree 30+ mags are a bit much. It is just a quicker way to blow through your target practice amo.
Planning on testing that, the next time your elected official shows up in your district?
Absolutely not, I try my best not to break laws. But thanks for checking
There once was a loner in Tucson
At his moms he slept on a futon
He had a small cock
So he bought a big glock
Now the feds will soon make him eat Decon
Rhyming Tucson is a bitch. Fuckin' Arizona
I gave you a thumb for tryin'; you were in fine form until you failed at the finish line.
The limerick is a cherished art form.
I know. I'm not happy with the last line. Suggestions?
I agree. Epic fail. Suggestions?
A despicable gun-nut in Tucson
Had a jolly time "gettin' his moose on."
(That means joinin' the hunt
Like Alaska's own cunt.)
He'd look great with a snug-fitting noose on.
A crazy young lad out in 'Zona
Had a problem just getting a boner
So he thought he'd have fun
With a black plastic gun
In prison now he's all a 'loner.'
There once was a nutjob out West,
Who shot lots of people, what a mess
The right cried "Forsooth!
He thought they were moose!
What else to expect from the left?"
Fuckin' A, I think intensedebate eated this:
There once was a nutjob out West,
Who shot lots of people, what a mess
The right cried "Forsooth!
He thought they were moose!
What else to expect from the left?"
I'm confused. Based on the comments of Palin supporters, I would have predicted a surge in sales of surveying equipment.
You can take my area planimeter, when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Theodolite, theocracy, whatever.
Yeah she really kicked off a nationwide interest in cartography last year, didn't she?
When I grow up, I want to be a Gazeteer, just like Sarah!
If I were the manufacturer of Glocks, I would create a special Jared Loughner commemorative edition because Arizona fascists would line up around the block to get their hands on one of those.
It comes with a free electoral map!
IL just banned the death penalty.
this country is as schizophrenic as Jared Loughner.
And IL is about to increase state personal income tax by 66%.
Well at least someone understands that you have to increase revenue to pay the bills.
You increase revenue by cutting taxes, not increasing them. That, and telling everyone to go shopping. Have you larned nuthing 'bout economikz?
I'm sure that increasing personal and corporate income taxes by 66 2/3% will improve the job situation in Illinois.
IL has the highest debt-to-income revenue of any state in the US (worse than CA or NJ).
It would have been nice if that, long before we got into this mess, someone had understood that the state shouldn't buy things it couldn't afford.
Or, you know, needed to raise more revenue. Like they just did.
It would have been nice if that, long before we decided to cut taxes and then ask the Chinese to fund our vanity wars, someone had understood that asking us all to go shopping was a dumb-ass idea. Oh, and for all the geniuses out there pointing out that taxes are bad, please take a look at Ireland and the other nations and states that chose low taxes and found that oops, we're broke and truly fucked.
Or in other words, theincome tax went from 3 to 5 percent. But, painting it as a 66% increase just sounds so much more sexy and inflammatory.
Douchebag.
From HuffPo (so you'll know it's true):
Huffington Post: Illinois Income Tax Increase: Legislature Approves 66% Tax Hike
Are you accusing HuffPo of engaging in hyperbole and misinformation?
And on another site:
. http://chicago.gopride.com/news/article.cfm/artic...
The IL personal income tax rose from 3 to 5%. That's an increase of 67% (66 2/3% to be exact).
Do you agree or disagree?
BTW, how is a family of 4 making $40,000 year supposed to squeeze another $800 out of their budget?
FWIW, unlike the federal income tax, IL state income tax is calculated on gross taxable earnings regardless of itemized deductions.
The state of IL spends far more than it can afford. Property taxes are high here as is sales tax (in the Chicago area).
Actually, there are recent Supreme Court decisions that are not gonna let it happen.
One irony here is that a gun owner's rights have never been more secure. For decades the most important Supreme Court decision on the 2nd Amendment was US vs. Miller (1939) which, despite relentless efforts by gun fuckers to spin it otherwise, ruled that the 2nd Amendment did not guarantee a right to personal gun ownership outside of the context of a state-run militia.
This is why, for decades, the NRA never hired lawyers to challenge gun control laws on the grounds that they violated the 2nd Amendment. They knew that because of the precedent set by US vs. Miller they would lose that argument.
Think about it: the NRA is the self-appointed guardian of our 2nd Amendment rights just as the ACLU is the self-appointed guardian of our 1st Amendment rights. What does the ACLU do when they believe our 1st Amendment rights are being undermined? They send lawyers to argue that the law or statute or policy in question is a violation of the 1st Amendment. The NRA never challenged laws, statutes or policies on the grounds that they violated the 2nd Amendment. Not in court anyway.
So, for all those years, there was a tacit understanding that the Supreme Court had ruled that the 2nd Amendment DID NOT guarantee your personal right to own a gun, and even the NRA was a party to that understanding.
But all that's changed now. District of Columbia vs. Heller in 2008 and McDonald vs. Chicago last year have overturned US vs. Miller and firmly established that you DO have a personal right to gun ownership that can not be infringed by state and local governments.
So, gun fuckers, you have less reason than ever to fear somebody prying your gun from your cold, dead fingers. Obama is not coming for your guns. Nobody is. The Supreme Court has spoken and your 2nd Amendment rights are more secure than ever before in American history.
I know, it SUCKS, doesn't it, gun fucker? What's the fun in gun fucking without the masturbatory fantasies of Federal Negroes kicking in your door to rape your guns in front of you and your children? What's the point of living?
Well that is a little harsh
I'd rather have Brian Urlacher; I find him yummy.
Oh yeah…yummmmm. Or Clay Matthews for those who like hair with their muscles.
shop owner greg wolff is one dumb motherfucker. i guess boxcutters were flying off the shelves on 9/12/01. oh and don't forget the run on rental vans and fertilizer after the oklahoma city bombing.
Backpacks after the 96 Olympics. Couldn't get one anywhere.
It used to be that a guy couldn't get a date in Arizona if they didn't have a pick-up truck. Now he better have a pick-up truck, truknuts and a Glock with an extended magazine. Everybody knows a woman is helpless and wet when a guy has a big bad gun.
Probably true
Because the only defense against a Glock is another Glock or some s#$% like that.
Oh dear. Is your libunatic truly merely a semi-libunatic? Could you only get a "semi-" because you have trouble getting "all the way" kosher, no matter how much heat is applied? Does this cause problems when the Greensteins are visiting? Or is the "semi-" a blessing for mixed marriages? Oh wait, ha ha, you wouldn't be able to speak to that, would you? Or perhaps this infatuation with your libunatic is an inlet to your inner pain? Is your jilting at the hands of "one of those people" the reason for your nonstop obsession with making meals kosher? NOT ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS ONLY MAKES YOU APPEAR GUILTY!
Correct answer was: "On some models, the difference is only about 30 minutes with a good file."
Barbers in AZ report a 23% increase in shaved heads and eyebrows.
I don't get it. Why would one rush to buy a gun that is an utter failure? What with the (main) target having a a 100% rate of survival and all.
I'll fuck Smith if you bring the Wesson.
Jesse James didn't need no stinkin' Glock.
Pussies.
He did, however, learn to not take off his pistols when hanging a picture. The knowledge just didn't do him much good for long though.
Just what I was thinking.
Now, Sandra Bullock, she needs a Glock.
Did that have anything to do with Sandra Bullock dumping his ass?
OK, I know I am a bit of a Nazi about this, but please Jack use spellcheck or proofread , you always have some typo or spelling error and in this case it's the poor woman with a bullet in her head whose name is misspelled.
I hope they took the bullet out!
Good news! According to her doctor, it was a through-and-through! So there's no bullet to remove! So rest easy, Lizzie!
Gun nuts praise Loughner for using copper-jacketed slugs that pass through instead of hollow points that would have exploded on impact and send shrapnel all through her brain in 3…2…1…
THANK GOD THAT THAR SOCILIAST DIDN'T HAVE NO MORE SENSE THAN TO USE HARDBALL TO KILL THAT WOMAN! WHY, IF'N HE'D USED SOME JACKETED-HOLLOWPOINTS INSTED THAT'D BEEN HER DAMN ASS…
There's nothing to praise. Many hollow points come in smaller boxes, 20 or 25 and are pretty expensive. Jacketed round nose, which I assume he was using, comes in 50s for use in target practice. They are cheap and inspire less suspicion. He may have had some resistance to his buying a large quantity of hollow points. Many more of his victims would have died if he had used them. We were lucky?
Jesse James didn't <del>need</del> have no stinkin' Glock.
People often forget that the US has over 200 million guns, it would take an act of God not an act of Congress to get rid of them.
Just when is the last time anyone saw hotcakes for sale?
Other than at the International House of Hotcakes, of course.
If they are such big sellers, why aren't there more Hotcake Hutts than Starbucks?
I always show up too late and they're all gone.
I guess that's because they do a Land Office business sellin' those hotcakes.
I'm pretty sure I heard a local reporter mention that number yesterday morning during a clip on NPR (I know, I know).
I'll see if I can dig-up a corroborating non-LIEbrul media source for everyone. It's an element of the debate that I find especially trenchant, and if you know me, you know that I like to have my facts straight (and my lifesaving heroes Gaytino.)
I went to one of those once, but the vegetable oil made it so the cough drops kept slipping out.
For a limited time only, you too can own the signature Loughner edition semi-automatic 9mm Glock. The first ten callers will receive an extended magazine at no extra cost! Act now, before Nobama takes your guns!
Dead nine year olds not included. Offer void in Blue America.
Killing a bunch of people is viral marketing gold for a product made to kill a bunch of people.
It's OK kitty. It isn't a Glock, it's only a Beretta.
In more news, Joe Wilson's "You lie!" is being etched on some limited edition assault rifle parts. I could not make this stuff up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/joe-wils...
I'm so tired of all of it. Call me crazy, but as far as guns go, I think every last one of the fuckers should be melted down.
Go ahead and attack me, trolls. I don't give a fuck.
I believe I saw a link to it over on Sullivan's blog this morning.
Now, Sandra Bullock, she needs a Glock.
Some genius actually did opine that if more people had been carrying heat Saturday "maybe they could have stopped him before he shot so many people." How long does it take to get off 30 shots with that thing? The cross-fire would have been like D-Day….
Also, you know, Biggie Smalls loved the Glock 19,
Packed up my tools for my raw power move.
Glock-19 for casket and flower moves.
Just like he called 9/11
Now I'm in the limelight 'cause I rhyme tight
Time to get paid, blow up like the World Trade
I hope we can all agree, as True Liberals, that Mr. Smalls and all "rappers" should be prosecuted for their "music," which is nothing more than an incitement to violence worse than the hate-speech of Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Sharon Angle, etc.
The sooner these violent, irresponsible so-called "artists" are held accountable for their misdeeds, the sooner this country can move into the New Dawn of Socialism, where SorosBot can have his "cock sucked" by Barney Frank under the warming light of the sun.
Cordially.
Eleanor
Kahr Arms (Unification Church Armaments, LLC) is pissed that they are not the political wetworks tool of first choice. American-made, too.
Maybe next time…
He's fibbing. I collect Soviet small arms, and it's basically impossible to get a Russian-made one that looks like an AK; they've been banned from import since the early '80s. You can get Baikal rifles that use the same action, but they don't have the big clip and don't look military.
Now, Chinese, Romanian, Bulgarian, Yugoslavian, Egyptian, sure; you can get those at gun shows for as little as $300.
One doesn't need an outlet?
From HuffPo (so you'll know it's true):
Huffington Post: Illinois Income Tax Increase: Legislature Approves 66% Tax Hike
Are you accusing HuffPo of engaging in hyperbole and misinformation?
And on another site:
. http://chicago.gopride.com/news/article.cfm/artic...
The IL personal income tax rose from 3 to 5%. That's an increase of 67% (66 2/3% to be exact).
Do you agree or disagree?
BTW, how is a family of 4 making $40,000 year supposed to squeeze another $800 out of their budget?
FWIW, unlike the federal income tax, IL state income tax is calculated on gross taxable earnings regardless of itemized deductions.
The state of IL spends far more than it can afford. Property taxes are high here as is sales tax (in the Chicago area).
It's an interesting collection of ancient Phoenician literature, much misunderstood by modern Americans.
The bible is a holy book to some, and a joke to others. I begrudge neither side for their beliefs. Personally, I'm not a big fan of religion, though I respect the right to practice one.
So the statements of a sitting President (and his supportive media) are insignificant when compared to statements from blogs, radio commentary, etc.. Interesting.
IOW, it doesn't matter what the President says; he does not set the tone of discourse. But on the other hand, a woman with a tv show about Alaska – something on her website IS significant.
You know, what strikes me the most about libunatics is their extreme acceptance of double standards.
Poopyheaded using false equivalence.
Dear ":LoveIsMyReligion":
Your reference to "libuantics" and "double standards" is deeply offensive.
A True Liberal knows that DoubleThink is the HEART of Liberalism. I cannot speak for myself, but the other posters here in Wonkettee are undeniably first-rate intelligences under F. Scott Fitzgerald's definition:
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/fscott...
I suggest you leave immediately. Your kind are not wanted here.
Cordially,
Eleanor
Yep, programming. I'm an "engineer" (dick quotes required as I am a Software "Engineer" and not a real engineer).
so you don't get to ride around all day on software, blowing the whistle before entering tunnels and going through grade-level crossings?
.
That sucks. do you still wear overalls and "engineer" boots?
I'm lucky if I manage to wear pants during the day. But, being a remote worker does mean that I do occasionally get blown and enter tunnels during the work day.
Metal penis-substitute death machine, that is a new one. I actually decided to register to this site to get into the discussion with you guys. I realize this site tilts to the left, and that I'm not quite that far left myself, but I am also far from a righty nut. If this were a super right site I would have just as many disagreements. I do not troll, I share ideas and opinions with you.
But yes, I admit I am new, and I do not agree with you on all the issues.
Sorry, I guess I got confused. I thought you said righties were the danger, but then you said Democrat Senators calling for 2nd ammendment remedies. Did I miss something?
Also, Obama regularly refers to "campaigns," which, as we all know, are military actions. The man is obsessed with warlike metaphors.
There's this thing called sarcasm that a lot of the kids these days are really into.
Never touch the stuff, myself.
DoubleThink was a phenomenon first described in 1984, a book about a distopia run by conservatives written by a self-described socialist. Project much?
Considering how obsessed these guys are with guns, I think being able to scroll down an inch is a little generous to them.
Dear Mr. SorosBot:
Your reference to Russian during 1930s-40s, under the Inspired Leadership of the man Franklin and I called "Uncle Joe." as a "distopia run by conservatives" is deeply offensive, as well as inaccurate.
Eric Blair modeled "1984" after the Worker's Paradise that was the Soviet Union (and to a lesser extent, after the equally Heroic Workers Republic of Spain; the POUM, etc.).
Please put aside your hate, and join me in song:
"Arise, ye workers from your slumbers!
Arise, ye prisoners of want!
For reason in revolt now thunders,
And last ends the age of cant!"
(Come on, Wonketteers! You all know the words! Sing!)
Cordially,
Eleanor
George Orwell was named Eric Blair? Huh, I did not know that; and he actually made the book against fascists, who were right-wing. Learn something, moron.
And cut off this "Elanor" bullshit, how dare you defame the greatest president America's ever had.
OK, this one does not even make sense; oh wait, I get it, this is the typical Palinesqe disingenuous claim that saying "you shouldn't say that" is the same thing thing as actual censorship. It's not, dipshit.
Dear Mr. SorosBot:
Can you assist me?
I appear to have lost my pearl necklace. The last I remember seeing it, I was fly fishing over by the sty that Franklin and I keep at the Little White House in Warm Springs, GA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell
Thank you for your assistance.
Cordially,
Eleanor
"this url is invalid and cannot be loaded". So you fail at HTML, as well as history and logic.
Dear SorosBot:
I am very, very frightened by your obvious anger, as evidenced by your foul and offensive language.
I urge you to seek the assistance of a mental healthcare professional, and call upon you to surrender immediately any dangerous instrumentalities to which you have access, e.g., firearms, knives, cars, scissors, electrical appliances, baseball bats, golf clubs, rocks, bricks, dirt clods, reams of paper (those paper cuts can be DEADLY) . . . .
Cordially,
Eleanor
P.S. Oh, in regard to your desire to have certain parts of you . . .::::blushing::: . . .body "sucked": I have not had . . ."knowledge" of a man since April 23, 1923, at approximately 1:25 p.m. EST.
I suggest that you direct your request to another True Liberal with right credentials and experience to address your needs, e.g., the Hon. Barney Frank (D Mass.)
Surely we all can agree that, when it comes to "cocksucking" (to use your quaint terminology), no one does it better than the True Liberal Male.
You are aware you're dealing with a reincarnation of Neilist, aren't you? It couldn't be any more obvious if it wanted to be.
Do you recommend that individuals spend money they don't have?
Do you recommend that states spend money they don't have? IL has been doing this for 20+ years.
Do you perceive a 66 2/3% personal and corporate tax hike as being positive in terms of job creation?
Tax hikes are neutral when it comes to job creation; considering that most corporations a) pay almost no taxes as it is and b) have not been hiring anyone even though they have plenty of money to do so, corporate tax hikes are a very good idea.
What would be much worse is cutting government benefits, so that the working class have less money to spend, or actually laying off government workers and directly increasing the unemployment rate, like that giant tub of shit Chris Christie has been doing to destroy New Jersey. Learn some economics, dumbass.
I realized it now; thought before it was a sockpuppet of the name-changing Brietbarter who's been plagueing us. Same result either way, and highly annoying.
So it's OK with you if a family of 4 living on $40,000/year has to come up with ANOTHER $800 per year for state income tax?
Thanks, always enjoy a good insult. So productive.
I am far from obsessed with guns. Yes I enjoy them, they are a hobby for me. Occasionaly I'll hunt, but mostly I just shoot paper targerts. I have hand-me down firearms from my great grandpa, and more modern guns I purchased.
My life does not start and gun ownership, and would not end if I did not own guns.
Well I guess you know everything SorosBot. I pride myself on not being racist or bigoted, or at least making my best effort not to be.
Sorry the guys on my progressive station aren't better known. How about Ed Shultz, is he well known?
Tom Hardmann?
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