Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, the Army doctor who pleaded guilty on Tuesday to STANDING UP FOR PRESIDENTIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES, has now told the jury he was wrong to disobey his order to deploy to Afghanistan, and he wishes to deploy now. It’s funny how the black man running the country suddenly is an American citizen when this birther is faced with jail time. Haha, just kidding, Obama still is An Illegal; Lakin simply used the wrong venue to let people know about it. “I was wrong for trying to push this issue within the Army,” he said. Yes, that’s rather difficult to do when your boss’s boss’s boss’s boss’s boss’s boss’s boss is the man in question.
Lakin explained that he tried for two years to figure out to whom in the Army he could raise his questions about Obama’s eligibility but that he was not given guidance what he should do. He acknowledged he used his deployment as a way to raise the issue and that he knew when he disobeyed orders that his “career was over.”
Also Wednesday the jury heard testimony from two men who had served with Lakin. They described him as a compassionate physician, someone who gave therapeutic massages to soldiers on his own time
And round-the-clock hernia checks. Thanks, doc! [AP]
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Treasonous birther is treasonous.
Soldiers can only be treasonous if they question a president with an (R) by their name.
Nah, Just the non-lilly-white ones. I don't think these crackers would have the balls to pull this sort of crap on someone pinkish in tint.
Remember the good ol' days when the punishment for treason was disembowelment? And since he's a doctor, he can even try to sew himself back up afterwards.
Well, shooting this cowardly asshole would just be a waste of a bullet.
40 lashes with the chain of command.
♫The hero of Canton, the man they call Laaaaaaaaaaaakin…♪♪
Just doesn't sound quite right…
Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
If he can only stay in a few more days, he might get off…, in more ways than one!
I know a guy who tried, for ages, to figure out whom he should report that his wife had been quietly replaced by an identical looking, reptilian doppleganger while they vacationed in Greece one summer. But he, similarly, and just as frustratingly, could find no good guidance on what to do.
I'm sure Orly Taitz has some expertise in this area, as well.
He needs to start with her long form birth certificate; aliens carry only a short form, easily forged, to hide their extraterrestrial Kenyan origins
I wouldn't let her anywhere near my hernia, though.
The Lizard People are everywhere.
Did he try the works of L. Ron Hubbard?
Was she a Steptilian Wife?
Doppleganger in the head= crazy in bed.
Once you go lizard, you'll cast spells like a wizard.
Awww… faced with the reality of his stupidity now wants a do-over.
I suspect that it's too late and his discharge papers are waiting for a signature.
One thing I learned about Army… Don't Fuck with the Chain of Command as stated by Scarfaced Sgt Barnes:
"Are you spouting this shit so's to escape from reality? Me, I don't need this shit. I am reality. There's the way it ought to be, and there's the way it is. Larkin was full of shit. Larkin was a crusader. Now, I got no fight… with any man who does what he's told. But when he don't, the machine breaks down. And when the machine breaks down, we break down. And I ain't gonna allow that… in any of you. Not one. "
This dickwad should have spent some time as a private. The wisdom spouted by the Sgt. Scarfaces of the world can prevent a lifetime of grief if taken to heart. This ignorant cocksucker is just too fucking smart for his own good. If you decide to dance with the Devil, understand HE LEADS.
I had a Chief Boatswain's Mate, and he was indeed inspiring and educational.
The NCO Corps is indeed the backbone of our Military.
"told a jury Wednesday he was wrong to do so and would now deploy if he could"
Translation:
Then: I'd rather stay home than go to Afghanistan.
Now: I'd rather go to Afghanistan than jail.
I hope you are right and that the army doesn't have a procedure for do-overs on court-martial offenses.
The jails in Afghanistan are real interesting, I hear.
The idea that he gives "therapeutic massages" to soldiers is really the icing on the cake here. I wonder what condition he's treating there? Tight butt? Chiseled features?
Enlarged prostates?
Pulled groin muscle, most likely.
Festive outing in 3, 2, 1….
Tight pants? Those thoughts that will not go away no matter how hard you pray to Jesus?
Free to card-carrying Nambla friends.
The soldiers wonder why they need a hernia check monthly.
Too Soon! Don't ask!
Bingo!
"someone who gave therapeutic massages to soldiers on his own time"
They make this stuff up just for Wonkette. Right?
Lakin explained that he tried for two years to figure out to whom in the Army he could raise his questions about Obama’s eligibility
Except all of his superiors were African American and it was ♫awkward♪♪
Or deployed.
Another Bingo!
How do you do the music notes? Do you have to actually PLAY them?
Try here: http://www.copypastecharacter.com/
(or be a L33+ N3RD H@xx0R: type out the Unicode inna caveman-stylee & add a semicolon {PC})
Yes, like Barrelhse asked, please how do you do the music notes?!
Try here: http://www.copypastecharacter.com/
(or be a L33 N3RD H@xx0R: type out the Unicode inna caveman-stylee & add a semicolon {PC})
"Lakin explained that he tried for two years to figure out to whom in the Army he could raise his questions about Obama’s eligibility but that he was not given guidance what he should do."
Um, right. I'm sure he got guidance on what he should do. He just didn't like being told he was a fucking moron for even raising the issue, and that he should just shut the fuck up.
A third Bingo!
Shut up and do what your told, was the advice, I expect. With the usual adjectives and adverbs added.
Shouldn't Obama get a therapeutic massage now? The Baby Oil Summit.
Fine, send him to Afghanistan, but change his job description to IED defuser. No need to train him, just make sure all the other soldiers are well back.
Do they even have sappers anymore?
They're called fluffers now.
Oh indeed they do.
"In the U.S. Army, sappers are combat engineers who support the front-line infantry, and they have fought in every war in American history. For example, after the Battle of Yorktown, General Washington cited Louis Lebèque Duportail, the U.S. Army's first Chief of Engineers, for conduct which afforded "brilliant proofs of his military genius."
That's what my son-in-law ended up being when they waved that $40k bonus at him. I don't think he really thought that one through. When he was in school his instructors told him that he was was an idiot as a family man to go into this line of work. Weird thing is that now that he is in Iraq he kinda likes the work.
Wow.
Being married to your daughter must be hell.
They were both aimless, no-goals kids when they um, had to get married. After a few more years of boring jobs he finally succumbed to my imprecations to join up and grow up there like I did. Of course, I got a lucrative 30 year career in data comm out of it. Sniffing out bombs forever doesn't seem like such a hot idea, but at least he's learning to stand on his own two (so far) feet.
A bunch of folks in my family have done the same thing. Enlisting when you have no clue where you are going in your life, or if you want to get out of some podunk down in the back of nowhere. The trouble now, though, is that they'll likely send you to Afghanistan or Iraq now, rather than spending a couple years in El Paso or on a base in South Korea or Europe.
It was intended as joke. Hope I didn't hit too close to home :)
too bad you didn't suggest something like the Peace Corps, as opposed to the Dept. of War…helping people in other countries might be eminently more useful than killing them?
What will he do with his training once he gets out?
I guess there's always domestic terrorism, or at least a consulting job with the next McVeigh wannabe. Bomb squad on a police force, security for travelling bigwigs, overseas contractor at multiple x the pay he's getting now…none of these are what I'd choose given that he has a 5 year old and 5 month old. I'm encouraging him to re-up with a change of MOS that has a somewhat lesser cringe factor. There's something to be said for 3 square meals and a roof (most days). I had 4 yrs active and 12 yrs reserve and I'm still not sure if I like the Army all that much.
Three words: Gambian Pouched Rat.
y'know I understand how you feel but I saw my best friend's only son join the Army for the *educational* benefits (cuz his dickhead deadbeat Dad wouldn't even pay for basic child support for most of his young life!) 12 months later he was in the 3rd Infantry racing across Iraq in Bush's illegal fucking war and unfortunately ended up being one of the first 'casualties' to die for this fucking insanity, and my friend will NEVER get over the fact that these motherfucking chickenhawk war profiteers at Bush/ Cheney, Inc used her son- and thousands of others- as unknowing pawns for their evil fucking *war* for oil (btw, I DO hope your son makes it home alive, and sane!)
It's good to know that his higher ups wouldn't indulge this guy's conspiracy theory questions, so there at least some rational people in the army. The only appropriate response to birthers is "Shut up, moron."
Should have been USAF, Lakin.
Better than the Marines, where the response is: come here, son, and kneel down and let's pray together that god does the right thing to remedy this situation.
I dunno, the Marines I've met response would have been more "Does that mean I can't shoot ragheads and camel jockeys and any other fuckface I don't like? No? Then shut the fuck up – and don't even think about touching my ass when you give me a massage."
Maybe it's good he is getting tossed. If he couldn't figure out who his immediate superior was (which is who he should have asked), then maybe he's to stupid to be in the Army.
The fact that a guy this stupid was able to get an MD kind of destroys any trust in our nation's doctors.
Here's a story about a Doctor who took his 8 year old to a gun show and let him shoot an Uzi. He lost control of the gun and shot himself. Now they're suing the gun show people.
http://dailymail.com/News/NationandWorld/20101205…
I blame Obamacare
So he joins XE next?
Translation: "I should never have listed to that Orly woman. What can I say now to stay out of jail?"
More like, "Oh, FUCK, these Kenyan negro following bastards are actually going to strip my huge pension instead of just putting my coward ass on desk duty." It always comes down to money.
Agreed. Have to admire someone willing to stand by their convictions, until the money goes away.
Alternate translation: But there was supposed to be a spot on FOX as a military consultant and a book with Orly and lunch with Roger Aisles and stuff. Fuck prison, I wanna go to Afghanistan and stuff now! I'll go now, really!
Lakin explained that he tried for two years to figure out to whom in the Army he could raise his questions about Obama’s eligibility
Did he try the comment threads at World Net Daily?
Silly Smurf, WND doesn't allow comments. Just like Wonkette.
Hopefully this Light Bird will meet a nice Top at Leavenworth who will gladly show him his eligibility over and over again.
I'm guessing that would please him: "massages on off-time to soldiers?"
Hey, don't shoot the massager.
Well he is an osteopath & they like to massage bone(r)s.
An osteopath, that explains a lot. It's a based on the diagnosis of illness through the study of bumps on bones. In recent years, they've moved closer to traditional medicine, but these folks can still be closer to phrenology than is warranted in this century.
fuck, you are good!
He may be compassionate, but he's too damn stupid to be a doctor.
I've said this before, education has nothing to do with intelligence. He probably got his degree from Oral Roberts University.
Close, the University of Health Sciences College of Osteopathic Medicine in KC.
You said "oral".
"Feeling tense from having to take orders from blacks? I can help. Why don't you come over to my tent after lights out?"
this whole story is pathetic.
some retired colonel (who gets to keep his pension) eggs on this half wit – who by all accounts found a job he was good at doing – into making loud, unlovely and untrue statements. then the half wit realizes there are consequences and backpedals in the most unseemly way.
all the while those most responsible for this nonsense get to keep making hay (and money) with it.
can't we send orly to afghanistan in his stead?
Nah, the Russians already had their shot and fucked it up.
The guys in the Crotch are probably desperate for women there. Unless there's R&R in Uzbekistan? Anyone know?
"send orly to afghanistan" = EPIC WIN!
Now he will be sentenced to give theraputic messages, on his own time, to every person living in Kenya. Barry is ALWAYS looking out for the fam.
Lakin explained that he tried for two years to figure out
to whom in the Army he could raise his questions about Obama’s eligibility</srike> why the voices in his head tried to control his talking hole with stupid comments and inappropriate memories of his last NAMBLA meeting.Clearly a Righty — 20:20 hindsight when he approaches the cell. Fuck 'im.
Fifteen years ago, I was listening to Stabbing Westward's Whither Blister Burn & Peel* at a friend's house, & the cd was scratched such that the opening line of lead track "I Don't Believe" played over & over. The line, of course: "God, I'm such an asshole". This Lakin fellow reminds me of that.
Bonus: the friend & his best friend were Newtoids & jazzed about the Contract with America. Prolly still are. (Well, returned to that setting, after some early third Willenium flirtation with "anarcho-syndicalism", by which I mean, shoplifting mid-to-high-end electronics, for personal use, but attributing it to "sticking it to the corrupt kleptocracy running America into the ground, Enron & WorldCom, & such".)
*I know, I know. Stabbing Westward? Really? All I can rejoin: I was fifteen. I couldn't know any better.
Hey, I liked What Do I Have To Do and Shame. There is nothing wrong with loving angry 90's alternative rock as a teenager.
I still maintain that "Shame" is an awesome track and the video appealed to my English-major-deconstructionist little mind.
I'd like to think Wonkette is the sort of place that you could express your love for 90's rage-pop without feeling the need to defend yourself. Shine on, you black leather'd diamond…
Go break rocks in Leavenworth, you racist dumbass
Listen Jackwagon you work for me the taxpayer. You politicized your career and you should have the courage to stand up for your ideas and take the punishment.
Perhaps the second greatest military officer the US ever had was George Marshall and he refused to vote because he did not want it to bias his service as he new he served the people and the people chose their president.
President Obama is the president WE the people elected. Get out or shut up and serve.
(How did I do there? Isn't that all the kind of shit right-wads were saying for 8 years to libtards? These people.)
You did excellently, except for the fact that righttards owe blind alliegance only to the Presidents THEY vote for (which by definition are never Kenyans).
How many ribbon magnets do you have on your SUV?
Needs more love it or leave it.
I'll bet he has 100% government heathcare, despite his viewpoint. Even though that is evil and socialist.
He wants to stay in the Army because he has 17 years in and he wants his 20. Money trumps birfer stoopids.
Clearly a Righty. 20:20 hindsight as he gets close to incarceration. Sometimes they forget the timing of the lie is important.
Maybe we've stumbled upon a cure for Wingtard Stoopid!
It is not unheard of for a judge to give a youthful miscreant the choice of "prison or the army."
He doesn't look like he was born, more like hatched.
Chances are he won't get solitary confinement. Look at the double standards. Scooter Libby leaks classified information. Result? Pardon and maybe a book deal. Terrence Lakin goes AWOL and maybe even commits treason. Result? I'm betting a slap on the wrist and a roundtrip ticket to Hawaii to do some birth certificate research. Bradley Manning pulls a Daniel Ellsberg. Result? Solitary confinement. Before trial, even. Also.
Libby had his sentence commuted, he was not pardoned. Officially he is still guilty — guilty, guilty, guilty!
Yeah. Big difference as to the outcome and punishment.
Guilty of more than what he was convicted on, too.
His first responsibility was to support the troops he was supposed to be medical support for; and he failed miserably. Out on your ass, Herr Colonel Doctor vonDumbass.
I would guess a Presidential pardon is out of the question.
Yet.
In 2013, President Romney, or in 2016, President Haley (as in Nikki, the Hindoo Governess of South Carolina, not Barbour, the Buddah-sized Governor of Mississippi), will be sure to pardon the Good Doctor.
The sad thing is, Obama's going to be one of the favorite ex-presidents of Republicans. They just don't know it yet.
That's not compromise I can believe in…
I dunno. It'd be bipartisan.
It wouldn't be valid, if issued by Obama.
Of course! Bush is a sadist.
So he's a master of the ol rub n tug?
I can haz my pension back? Pleeze?
The same CELL as that other faggot TRAITOR, Bradley Manning!!!!!
[I mean, think of the "Catfights In A Box" . . . .]
Only SEVEN negative P points? It was up to NINE this morning?
Which one(s) of you Communist Pinko Liberal SKUM voted for me??!??
Maybe no jail time, but definitely reduction in rank for insubordination.
Prolly no jail time, but officers rarely get reduction in rank, usually one strike and yer out of the Service. Good riddance, I say. I don't give a fuck about his politics; his judgement is faulty.
Birthers, when confronted with facts, they are forced to backpedal a bit but at the end of the day, they will never admit they were completely wrong.
someone who gave therapeutic massages to soldiers on his own time
Yeah. "Therapeutic".
I have heard that prostate massages can be very therapeutic.
I wonder if the esteemed Lt. Col will receive complimentary sex change hormones in prison.
Is that what they are calling prison rape these days?
Being somewhat familiar with how courts martial operate…
If this shit he's saying now is for real: They will reduce him in rank to Major, write a letter of reprimand that would make Lee Ermey cry for his mommy, then ship his ass to the most remote aid station in Afghanistan where he will do well and save some limbs and lives.
If this shit he's saying now is just to cover his ass: He's gone. They will not give him any jail time because he sounds contrite, but they will kick his ass out.
Officers who serve on these juries will give soldiers a chance if it is felt they have anything left to give to the Army, but if they get even a whiff of bullshit, they will crucify him.
If I was an officer on the jury I'd be thinking, "Seems pretty cut and dried, he repeatedly refused to follow orders. Why are we even talking about giving this guy a career?"
They may give him the opportunity to SAVE his career if they feel he has something worth saving. They know they need doctors and he's alleged to be a good one. The guy fucked up and is now contrite. If that's for real, and they are in the position to smell his fear and judge his renewed devotion to duty, we aren't, then they may spank him and send him to do his duty. He will then be judged on what he does for the rest of his service, not this fuck up alone. Sounds hard to believe, I know, but the Army can be forgiving of mistakes under the right circumstances. We'll see.
They must have smelled the bullshit. Six months and then out. It can be modified as the sentence has to be approved by the command there's appeals, but he's done and that's the good news.
Note to birthers: Get a new argument.
My dear mother used to say about fighting for what you believe in.
But would you go to jail for them?
This pussy obviously was just tiring to avoid going to Afghanistan.
frank burns. i'd know him anywhere.
Ferret-face.
"That's all for this week. Be sure to tune in to next week's episode of "I Wonder What Would Happen If……" when we dip our brave contestant in chum before dropping him in the shark tank."
That's one of my favorite shows, along with that old chestnut "Beat the Reaper."
Where's the I.Q. test?
You've got to be kidding, this is the Army
Most people wish they had not done their stupidity after the guilty verdict.
I'm sure that there are plenty of gay doctors who would welcome the chance to serve their country by deploying.
In fact it's likely that some have. Those lying closet-cases.
Eric Massa, is that you?
I'm sympathetic–having done many a therapeutic massage on my own … er, time.
Idiots will occasionally slip through the cracks (Duba?). They will often survive in a system for years without shitting their own nest, sometimes a full career. This is a sad story not deserving the National attention it is receiving. If it weren't for our toxic political environment and the paucity of real news reporting in this Country, no one except his shamed family would know of this.
Our toxic political environment and this guy's tendency early on to try to get in front of every camera possible.
Trying is shame on him, succeeding is shame on the Media.
"therapeutic massages?"
Um…what Army is this guy in again?
Was there a soldier in the Village People?
All you Jackoffs here need to read up on Chester A Arthur and try to explain why he tried to destroy all his family records of his fathers citizenship when he was born. He, like the current occupant of the White House were not Constitutional 'Natural Born Citizens'. Then, like now our Political Elite were unwilling to address the Constitutional Questions that this raised, since they were elected even though they were Constitutionally unqualified.
Whoa, it's an actual birther! Tell me, how does someone as stupid as you remember how to breathe?
How do you figure. I could care less about where he was born. In fact I actually believe he was born in HI. He just isn't a 'Natural born Citizen' like John McCain was not a Natural Born Citizen'. Care to answer the question about his and CA Arthurs Constitutional Qualifications? Or do you prefer to stick your head up your ass and have that shitty outlook you presently express. You il-educated prick.
In fact I actually believe he was born in HI. He just isn't a 'Natural born Citizen'
This is not MacBeth, Caesarean sections are not a disqualification for holding office.
No, but his father being a British/Nigerian Citizen at the time of his birth does disqualify him. He freely admits that he had dual citizenship at birth. Therefore he is not a 'Natural Born Citizen' .
It's a very simple question; Obama was a natural born citizen and you don't like him so you pull some bullshit out of your ass to claim he's somehow magically not a citizen when we know the real reason is because he's black.
And we know you are a moron by basic logic: all birthers are morons, you are a birther, therefore you are a moron.
Ah the race card. Sorry, but Unfortunately he is half white also. And I do not like Mc Cain either. And he is not a 'Natural Born Citizen'.
Mayhap the moronic oughtn't call others ill-educated.
Magnum Cum Laude ConLaw grad, Harvard Law Review President, constitutional law prof … yeah, I bet Obama's a real Goofus McDoofus on any matters pertaining to all that amendmenty jazz, alright!
Also, being born OFF the mainland with only ONE American parent somehow makes magically makes him into a sub-American! ABRACAFUCKDABRA!
Your Troll Fu smells of ass.
Produce the proof dimwit. I too can claim that I graduated from Haaaavard. Wait for it – wait for it – those records are sealed. And what did the Magnum Cum Laude Law Grad do to be forced to give up his license to practice law in IL? Wait for it – wait for it – those records are sealed too. Guess he was not such a cracker jack lawyer after all. Constitutional Law Prof? Not even a professor. You need to look into what your empty suit actually has accomplished?
I believe breathing is an involuntary reflex.
Goodness! A birther who wants to discuss the Constitution. What an *interesting* concept.
Yah, I know that it is something beyond your comprehension.
Oh. Snap.
Goodness! A birther who wants to discuss the Constitution. What an *interesting* concept.
Yet they always seem to miss that part about his American mother and how he could have been born on Mars and it would not be an issue except for a small, crazed minority.
No but dual citizenship at birth does disqualify a person under our Constitution. Read about it.
Bullshit.
If one thought about the "logic" of what they were spewing, they would realise that would mean North Korea could depose any sitting president by granting them citizenship.
No it doesn't; you birther morons just made that up.
No it doesn't. See US vs. Wong Kim Ark. The US Supreme Court is not likely to ever base its rulings on the rabid spewings of the Constitution shredders of World Nut Daily or other birther bastions of foaming at the mouth hate and ignorance.
You are an un-American, unpatriotic jerk.
Bottom line is people want to believe in all sorts of things that have no standing – birthers are just another version of UFO believers and Kennedy conspiracy theorists etc. Ultimately meaningless.
I kind of miss the days when folks like Triper would be obsessing over the Red Chinese amassing troops in the Panama Canal Zone.
Bravo, Triper57! You have successfully made each ensuing comment even more moronic than the one that preceded it. Well done.
Guano Faucet is an apt name. Care to spew something other than guano when you open your mouth.
Triper, how closely related were your parents? First cousins? Closer?
No, but since you brought it up, yours must be brother and sister. Or did your daddy like your sister/mother. Or just molest her because he could?
One good side benefit of your parents being so closely related is that your mother didn't have to change her name down at the DMV or with her parole officer.
It didn't take too long to drive the idiot over the deep end, did it?
Who the fuck said anything about Chester Arthur? How about Mother Teresa and Pancho Villa, smartass? Let's talk about Peter Noone and Millard Fillmore, asshat.
I come to sites like this occasionally to remind myself how poor our education system has become. We seem to turn out a class of people that will believe whatever their masters tell them to believe. And I am not talking about myself you dick-weeds. The whole question of being a 'Natural Born Citizen' can only be determined by the SCOTUS. And all these cases are meant to force the SCOTUS to finally rule on what the Constitutional term 'Natural Born Citizen' means. And the term means the same as it did 230+ yrs ago. The Constitution is a contract between the people and the government. The meaning of the words do not change over time. If there is a dispute over the meaning of the words only the court and in this case the Supreme Court, can determine the original intent of the contract.
I saw a sorosbot respond to my posts and I will lump all of you in that category and ask all you sorosbots : Why are you scared to let the SC do its job? You afraid that the SC will determine that the anointed one will be declared un-qualified?
Your time is short. After 2012 you will have no power.
The Supreme Court has done its job; it has refused to hear every one of these moronic birther lawsuits appealed to it because the cases are completely lacking in merit.
Site the cases – and lack of standing is not lack of merit.
The word you were looking for was "cite".
Learn to spell. Idiot. You don't have to come here for proof of low educational standards. Your own ignorant, un-American, constitution-disrespecting, sub-literate rants should give you all the proof you need.
"Site the cases."
The Mind Reels . . . .
Dude. How about these apples:
In a 6–2 decision, the Court held that under the Fourteenth Amendment, a child born in the United States of parents of foreign descent who, at the time of the child's birth are subjects of a foreign power but who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under a foreign power, and are not members of foreign forces in hostile occupation of United States territory, becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth.
That "Court" would be SCOTUS. and the decision would be US v. Wong Kim Ark, decided in 1898. Too long ago, you protest (even though you cite to a 1874 case)? Try on Plyler v. Doe, from 1982. Why would SCOTUS need to decide this issue again? It's called stare decisis. Read about it.
I hate to repeat myself but you people seem incapable of understanding the simplest of statements. A citizen and a Natural Born Citizen are two different terms. A citizen even one born here might not be a Natural Born Citizen as intended by the writers of the Constitution. The SCOTUS has NEVER ruled what the term Natural Born Citizen means in the Constitution. If you think they have cite the case.
"The SCOTUS has NEVER ruled what the term Natural Born Citizen means in the Constitution". Then how do you know ANY of the first 43 presidents qualified?
Another mention of the judiciary branch?
Surely, Thomas Jefferson is turning over in his grave.
Still no proof of where dual-citizenship is addressed in the 14th Amendment, if we all want to be strict Constitutionalists. And we do, don't we?
From Minor v. Happersette @ 167: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that."
Activist judges…. But it's better: @ 167-68: "At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts."
So the birfers are relying on their interpretation of dicta from an 1874 case? Really?
No Gracie the previous SC Rulings just indicate what the meaning of Natural Born Citizen is. the SC has never ruled on what exactly is a Constitutional Natural Born Citizen. But this case states that it has never been questioned that a citizen born to two citizens in this country is a natural born citizen. But the status of someone born to a non citizen in this country(either parent) may not be a Natural Born Citizen even if he is a citizen. There is no definitions in the Constitution. The framers had a reason to require the President to be a Natural Born Citizen and not just a citizen, as they require for a rep or Sen. No one in the US at the passing of the Constitution was a Natural Born Citizen, so they exempted themselves from the requirement. They were all citizens, but did not qualify as Natural Born Citizens. So what is a 'Natural Born Citizen?
"We seem to turn out a class of people that will believe whatever their masters tell them to believe. And I am not talking about myself you dick-weeds."
Stop quoting from the script Dick Armey laid out for you and you might be more convincing when you say this.
Pathetic fallacy is pathetic.
Your blithe glossing over of "or an American citizen" in Article 2 Section 1 that you kept repeatedly puking onto this thread back up yonder means the basis of your "logic" on this subject bears the heinous stench of fail.
You made the Baby Lionel Hutz cry!
I guess in your interpretation of the written English language, 'or an American Citizen' is not part of the entire phrase "or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution".
No one in the United States was a Natural Born Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. This phrase allowed them to be president until an actual Natural Born Citizen could qualify for President.
If you need any more civics lessons, just ask?
I can has punctuation?
I would like to thank all you wonkettes/ assholes for making this the thread with the most posts. You helped me increase my status by a point. Would like to say that I learned something from you but you posted nothing to refute my position, but I guess that people with their heads so far up their sphincters, can not see clearly. Goodbye.
Someone hasn't been paying attention, because everything we've said has refuted your cockbrained lunatic position; but hey, keep on just boldly asserting whatever you want to believe, regardless of the facts; that's the conservative way! Hey, I see from some of your comments on that racist shithead Brietbart's site that you are a global warming denialist, so you are used to refusing to believe in clearly proven basic facts.
Is he really gone? I hope he is. I think he made some of my p points go away. I was really proud of them. Sniffle.
Two flouncers in one thread!
Your "status" is worth less than lint.
A birther at Wonkette, how quaint. As usual, no spell check, random capitalization, crappy grammar, and poor manners. Did I fail to mention dumb and wrong?
Listen, this bird failed to obey an order in "wartime" (at least wartime for him) and should be shot. That order came from his immediate superior and it is not for him to question it or the status of those above his immediate superior. He'll get off lightly. You however, are sentenced to live in your tiny mind, for life.
Would not want to improve the level of writing expressed by the dropouts on this trashy blog. And all the out of work editors need to keep in practice.
As for Lakin, he knew the outcome of this exercise in 'justice' from the start. You see, the judge received her orders from the Joint Chiefs before the start of the trial.
"Would not want to improve the level of writing"
Don't worry, you're not.
"You see, the judge received her orders from the Joint Chiefs before the start of the trial. "
Bwahaha. Goodness gracious, you really think you are privy to any activities of the Joint Chiefs? Never mind.
And, hey, didn't you say you were leaving? Well then, I don't see anyone here urging you to stay. Such a nice blog it was and now we need to spray.
Poopyhead.
Thank you. :)
Ditto that. Sir.
Between him and the Ft Hood shooter, you've got to start asking, "What kind of physician joins the army?"
"who gave therapeutic massages to soldiers on his own time"
And his prostate inspections were second to none.
Massages, eh? Methinks the serviceman is finally optimistic about DADT being repealed.
He figured he could stand up to one black man politically but not to twenty of them as their prison bitch.
It helps to have thought through your personal morals and ethics before you make your stand. If you really are right, you don't look like such an ass. Reference Ehren Watada.
OK Let him deploy, just change his specialty to disarming IEDs.
Did anyone here read the last sentence of the transcribed section of the article and NOT lol? Impossible, no? Or am I that immature at the ripe old age of twennybloodlyseven?
Wait, I was taken out of context you know the wrong way….
He faces up to 3 1/2 years in a military prison
We joke about prison sex, but maybe it's "don't ask don't tell" in military prison…?
This cowardly schmuck just got sentenced to six months in jail, total forfeitures (he don't get paid no more) and a dismissal (he doesn't get to retire). Prosecutor asked for two years. Defense asked for no dismissal.
Doesn't matter anymore. Should have gotten better legal advice than Oily Taintz.
I think the discharge with no retirement will be the most painful of the punishment for him. No more free health care. Now he will have to get by like the rest of us poor schmucks.
If you take a good look at his picture, his eyes have that doe eyed look. Kind of like he’s been to our re-education camps.
So what would the charges be? Missing movement? Disobedience of a direct order? Desertion?
Yes, he just got sentenced to 6 months in military prison. Nice move douche. Following Orly Taitz hasn't every helped anyones career.
I can't get enough of this story. I get such perverse glee from watching the little twat get bitch-slapped, as though he were the Everyman for birthers and tards. People only believe such outlandish rubbish because they WANT to.
He going to get severely bitch slapped now. Sweet Jeebus, only 5 hrs deliberation to give this worthless fuck 6 months and a discharge…. they hammered him both ways – jail time and no pension. In lighter news, he'll have ample opportunity to master his already legendary "massage" skills.
So, who wants to guess someone up top finally got to the guy and told him to stop this shit lest he end up in the brig?
Still a Fucktard.
Why do they always have the same "you could drill a half inch hole in my forehead and it would make no difference" look? Oh wait, I answered my own question.
Potatohead knew what he was doing. I'd say he's a very lucky-ducky Potatohead not to automatically pull the max by default by being such a fucktard in wartime.
I wonder if Teh Brass may want nothing to do with deploying him because of the risk of some upset & frag-happy Very Motivated Individual finding out about his refusal to go & giving Darwin a little helping hand.
This man is not a liar. He believes this bullshit. He is, in other words, a Fox viewer.
Don't jail him. Send him over there, and turn him over to teh liberal, Obama loving gays. Now that they are in control of our military, they'll administer some Desert Justice. He'll really learn what it feels like to go from TeaBagger to TeaBaggee.
Where in the Constitution does it state both parents have to be citizens?
That's not the way birthright citizenship works.
Bull. In your world. The Constitution that you prattle on about before using it to line bird cages Does. Not. Define. the term "natural born citizen." He was a citizen from the moment of his birth based on both place of birth and his mother's citizenship. He did not have to take a test, sign papers, or go through any other legal procedure to become a citizen. He was BORN a citizen.
Show us the article in the constitution that says that dual citizenship rules out being a "natural born" citizen.
"his father being a British/Nigerian Citizen"
KENYAN, idiot. Of all the things for one of you moronic birthers to get wrong. Geez.
At birth you dipshit – and just some country granting you citizenship without you requesting it, is a stupid argument. You need to think before you power up your keyboard. You are the one pointing out your inability to understand a logical argument. You have presented nothing that supports your argument that he is qualified. The Constitution says that he is not qualified.
The inconvenient truth is that, that is exactly how it works. Present something that refutes my interpretation.
"Il-educated." Heh. May I point to the words of another ILL-EDUCATED fellow, James Madison, referred to, I believe, as "the father of the Constitution:"
"It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."
QED, moran.
Again. Where in the Constitution does it say what you are claiming?
You "forgot" to answer me the first time.
Care to quote the specific passage? Care to cite the constitutional coordinates whereby we can look it up for ourselves?
Directing us to look up your ass, from whence this bullshit came, is not desired by the wonketatti.
Considering you have yet to back up any of the outlandish claims you have made here, I am not sure where you would think you should be calling anyone a dipshit.
The 14th Amendment. And you're the one who's making the extraordinary claim here; the burden of proof is on you, idiot.
Present something that supports yours.
14th Amendment, Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Go chat with folks freaking out over "anchor babies". They'll explain that text to you.
ok. Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 (1971).
the US supreme court in rogers found that the individual in question was a "native-born citizen" notwithstanding his dual italian-american citizenship, as his father was italian. the individual lost his citizenship as he never returned to the United States, except for visits, and never intended to establish any kind of residence here; both of which president obama has clearly done.
Made it up . Not even.
The U.S. Supreme Court in the case of Minor v. Happersett 88 U.S. 162 (1874). The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that if an individual is born in the United States and both parents are U.S. citizens at the time of birth, that individual is, in fact, a natural born citizen. That same Supreme Court decision also addressed the issue of a person born in the United States where one of the parents is not a U.S. citizen at the time of the birth of the child. The ruling noted that in such a case, the child’s natural born citizenship status is “in doubt.”
The SC did not rule on the case involving a citizen whose parents are not both citizens because they were not asked to rule on that case.
How about looking up Minor v. Happersett yourself rather than cutting and pasting from some birther web page? What's your opinion on women having the right to vote since you are an expert on Minor v. Happersett?
And the law has not changed at all since 1874. Right.
Ooh look what it takes 10 seconds on Wikipedia to find! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause
Wow. Citing a ruling from some "activist" judges? What would our forefathers think about that?
According to transcripts of the Congressional debates regarding the 14th Amendment, the word "jurisdiction", as used in the 14th Amendment, means sole and complete U.S. jurisdiction, i.e., not subject to any foreign power. President Obama admits that his citizenship status at birth was "governed" by the laws of a foreign country. Since the President's birth was not subject to sole and complete U.S. jurisdiction, he does not qualify for citizenship under the 14th Amendment. President Obama might be a U.S. citizen at birth by modern-day statute, but he is not a U.S. citizen at birth according to the originally intended meaning of the 14th Amendment.
I have
Present something true.
No you haven't, actually.
It's the same logic; because all birthers are racists, and you a birther, you must be a racist.
Also, the phrase "race card" is pretty much exclusively used by racists.
In fact, considering that you are both a birther and a Breitbarter I bet a quick check would shoe you've said some racist things over on the Big Racists' site.
"Pigford – Just another reparation giveaway. Let's give them 40 acres and a Mule again."
To someone who accurately explained the real reasons many Muslims hate America: "Bull excrement – Restatement of the argument the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood uses. "
"First, the 14th Amendment does not grant citizenship to all those born here." – Lie also! And later in long comment racistly referring to undocumented aliens as "illegals".
"In the immortal words of an Army Bomb Squad sergeant when asked why there were not any blacks in his unit. "I guess that there are not any blacks that want to volunteer for the hazards of the job". I hate this PC crap."
And hey look, it's a tired old misleading argument that racist Republicans use so they can claim 'dems are the real racists' again and again and again: "Why don't you dress as that favorite of the Democrat Party, Robert 'Sheets' Bird, the Grand Kleagle of the KKK. I hear white sheets are cheap this year. Lets see, who would you vote for, a girl that admits that she explored Wicca as a young girl, or some one that admitted he 'dabbled with cocaine, or someone that attained the exalted office of a Grand Kleagle of the KKK, in his forties. Two of these examples are/were Democrats the other is a Republican. "
"Yes a$$eo even a stopped clock is right twice a day. But this member of the Black Communist Caucus can't remember what he is right about. H**l he can't even read and understand the bills he votes on with the help of 2 lawyers. "
And that's just from the first few pages.
Art 2 Sec 1: "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
What else do you need.
Hawaii is and was in the 1960's under the sole and complete jurisdiction of the US. You see, it's a State.
So you can reed it also I will repeat myself.
Art 2 sec 1 – "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
Wouldn't want you to read anymore of the Constitution than you have too.
And Obama meets those requirement; how does this help your moronic claims?
There is nothing about dual citizenship there which would validate your claim that dual citizenship at birth somehow made President Obama ineligible.
I need the part about how dual citizenship disqualifies one from the Presidency—the part you said was in there. Do you have that?
No, bless his heart.
As the Self-Appointed Guardian of Batshit Crazy Wonkette Arguments, I wish to lodge, formally, my very strong objection to the seditious attempt by this "Triper57" creature to usurp my authority – which was Divinely Extended by one of the many voices that occupy my head.
Neilist
Deus ex Deus
Supreme High See of Wonkette Wingnuttery
I dunno, at that age I'm not sure I would have gone in if there hadn't been a war on (Vietnam for me). Something about all dressed up and nowhere to go. (BTW caveman, it was a good joke)
Yeah, but you're an ASSHOLE. Triper57 is just sad.
Neil,
He's not fit to kiss the hem of your Carhartt's.
Hey dip, a citizen and a 'Natural Born Citizen are two different characters. You just have to be a citizen to be a Rep or Senator. But you have to be a Natural Born Citizen to be the President.
Another bunch of editors that can't find work. So they post about grammar and spelling and punctuation instead of engaging in logical discussion. Discuss anything but the questions left unanswered.
The only difference is that a natural born citizen is a citizen at – wait for it – birth; it does not include naturalized citizens. That's it. Obama was a citizen at birth and your ridiculous claims are ridiculous.
In this case the term 'Natural Born Citizen' has not changed since it was written 230+ yrs ago. And I doubt if you could read the decision since it is longer than 1 page. I know that people with low IQ have short attention spans. and I know that if I posted just the URL you would not look it up. Too lazy or unwilling to learn something that might contradict what your owners tell you.
You do not know what the term means. Wait for it – the SCOTUS is the only body that can determine the original intent of the phrase.
The Court itself seems to think it's pretty fucking self-evident, given that they haven't granted cert to any appeals of these bullshit lawsuit, every single one of which has been summarily dismissed as frivolous. So the entire federal judiciary says you are wrong, too, dumbass.
Well, then why do you keep claiming that you know the definition? This is just a rhetorical question.
Weak cop-out is weak.
Well, you never did post anything to back up your assertions.
And maybe you should have written your posts at an adult level if you were going to insult other posters here by claiming they did not have educations.
Do you even realize how stupid you sound? Really, I guess it's good you brainless motherfuckers have moved from the conspiracy theory angle, but this is just ridiculous; claiming that the phrase "natural born citizen" doesn't mean what is plain from the phrase, but some nebulous other thing, and so there's some weird class of people who were naturally born as US citizens, but are not natural born citizens. Really. And so the duly elected President of the United States is somehow not qualified on a minor technicality that you made up.
Strange that you crazy assheads didn't try this on Dukakis when he ran, since BOTH his parents were immigrants, yet everyone accepted that he was eligible. Oh, but then the FOX "News" and internet echo chambers weren't around; and while Mike was a liberal (unlike centrist Obama), at least he was white.
Cool, except he'd have to change his name to Willard.
You Communist Pinko Liberal SKUM really piss me off sometimes.
Do you have ANY idea, ANY appreciation, ANY understanding of how long and hard I WORK to annoy you people?
Do you have ANY comprehension of the hours and hours I spend trying to come up with JUST THE RIGHT half-baked, illogical, nonsensical argument to mirror your drivel?
Noooooooooo, you DON'T.
I've worn my fingers to the bone in here, wasted my youth, lost my vigor . . . and what, WHAT is my reward?
Loyalty? HAH!
There suddenly appears some brain-dead jackass with the Critical Reasoning skills of newt; the English usage talents of a ping-pong paddle; and the sardonic wit of a tatter lampshade . . . and you people fall all over him. (Or it. Whatever.)
That's it. I want a divorce. I'm taking the Bentley, the condo, and the trust fund.
You can have the mongoloid children. They take after you all anyway.
Neilist
Blogging From A Beverly Hills Barstool Next To Those Chubby — But Oh So Wealthy — Ex-Wifes Of The Industry Greats
Thumbs up, here's to increasing your positive P!
Little Temüjin will miss you.
A hyperbolic & acutely unconvincing flounce. Also TL;FU.
wow, now that you put it like that, I DO care about you, but NOT in a gay way or anything
Notice how quiet it's gotten in here. You could hear crickets chirping.
What a worthless, small-dicked bigot.
I like how, in his taking-his-ball-and-going-home comment, triper says "you posted nothing to refute my position" after he ignored so many replies that refuted his idiotic position.
Ah, it took almost a week to run off Pauletteanne; this birther took a single comment thread. I need a cigarette after that.
Is there any anti-Obama conspiracy theory to insane for you to believe? And yes, he was a professor, I should know since I met him while he was first running for state senate and I was an undergrad at the U of C. Everyone calls all the professor "professor" whether they are tenured or adjuncts does not matter for the title, moron. God, how stupid are you anyway?
As I stated, He was not a "professor". No Conspiracy, he has sealed all his records. So try to prove that he actually graduated with or without any Honors from any school he attended. Harvard Law Review? Please post a reference to any articles he wrote while he was in charge? Again, no conspiracy but what did he do to loose his law license in Illinois. Don't you think that is a valid question to ask any one that wants to be President? I know that if I were a private employer before I hired any one that lost their law license, they would explain the loss to my satisfaction.
It does, doesn't it? The mind, that is, reels, that is. Mine is reeling right now–and (sadly) I am not blogging from a barstool in proximity to chubby cougs with phatt bank accounts.
Another remedial reader. I will point out my first post that Chester Arthur and Barak _ Obama have the common problem of not being Natural Born Citizens. Arthur tried to destroy all the documents showing he was unqualified and Obama is trying to bluff his way through it. Betting that no one wants to open the can of worms that his unqualified status represents. He seems to be winning this bet does he not?
Again, absent any rulings on the topic, what makes you sure that being born in the US *doesn't* automatically make you a natural born citizen?
Hmm, not sure what he did to "loose" his law license, but, in fact, he did not LOSE his law license. He "voluntarily retired" his bar membership. This is because, if a lawyer is not actively engaged in the practice of law, he often voluntarily retires or goes inactive in order to avoid paying hefty bar fees, complying with onerous continuing educational requirements, etc. People do it all the time. I, coincidentally, am "voluntarily inactive" in Illinois for the same reason. So you see? No crazy conspiracies, no nothing. https://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=172828794
Where's YOUR birth certificate?
It comes down to the definition of 'Natural Born Citizen'. the framers of the Constitution understood that the definition was a Citizen, born in the United States; to parents who were citizens themselves. Therefore no dual citizens at birth are Natural Born Citizens. Google the term. The framers did not consider themselves 'Natural Born Citizens', so they wrote a clause that exempted them from the need to be a Natural Born Citizen.
Hey, the racist moron is still lurking here and pulling arguments out of his ass! Hey, here's an idea, why don't you actually go and read the Constitution that you keep talking about; then you might have some clue as to what it actually says.
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