“We are owned by propagandists against the Arabs. There’s no question about that. Congress, the White House, and Hollywood, Wall Street, are owned by the Zionists. No question in my opinion. They put their money where there mouth is…We’re being pushed into a wrong direction in every way.”
Man, so many people wanted her to say, “Congress, the White House, and Hollywood, Wall Street, are owned by the Jews.” THEN it’s much easier to call someone an anti-Semite. Anyway, close enough. It works.
In related news, they’re going to have real, live dinosaurs at that Noah’s Ark thing in Kentucky! Perhaps Helen can try out for one of those two jobs. [Detroit Free Press]
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After you turn 85, you should basically just STFU.
Unless you're Jimmy Carter.
I hope I live to be 85 and still be strong as HT. Not that I'd waste my time going to White House press conferences….
The Thomas abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' she's out there. The Thomas.
Wait a minute…all Zionists might well be Jews, but not all Jews are Zionists. One of the biggest problems in our society today is euphamistic racism. C'mon "Helen," put it out there!
For example: not all Republicans are racist bigots, but just about every racist bigot is a Republican.
There are plenty of Christian Zionists, but their support of Israel is because it's part of their plan to bring about the end of the world.
Forgot about that particular stripe of loony.
Its not a stripe, its an 8-lane highway through the 'Bible Belt'.
Lotsa non-religious Neo-cons should really be considered Zionists, too, since they enthusiastically support Israel as their way to kick Arab ass in the mideast.
There are plenty of Christian Zionists, but their support of Israel is because it's part of their plan to bring about the end of the world.
That is pretty conspiracy oriented. All of the Christian I have met support Israel because it says to in the book.
Like the Christian Zionists are going to bring about the end of the world without God, himself knowing it..
Right, they are insane, there is no such thing as prophecy, they believe foreign policy should be based on some ridiculous story from a stupid old book, one that was obviously an allegory for the Roman occupation of Israel, the end of the world will not come for another five billion years or so (the end of humanity is a different story).
What would Jesus say about the Dow?
When you throw in Israeli and Iranian nuclear weapons into the mix, they're right, if for the wrong reasons.
Of course, this is the closest they've come to being right…
About 1/2 of Israelis are mizrachi, that is, Judaeo-Arabs. Russian Jew immigrant types like A. Liebermann get all bent out of shape about that.
but just about every racist bigot is a Republican.
Really?? Wow.. Planned Parenthood, endorsed by demoRATS and leftists was started by a sweet southern woman who believed in eugenics and getting rid of blacks. She met with the KKK and was a DEM.
Whats his face… Uh.. Byrd.. A KKK DEM.
Hillary and "G'DAMNED THEM JEWS"
But lets see…Didnt the GOP put a couple of Americans of African descent in? West? In S.C. an American of African descent as well- And a Sikh? A bunch of women etc..
Come on…please…get something better than THATS RACISSSS, nobody buys it anymore, since we have all been conditioned to NOT be racisssssists.
Getting rid of the blacks by giving them free gynecological care?
Would anyone like to explain the history of the Democratic Party with regard to Dixiecrats and the Southern Strategy to our trollish visitor? Or the difference between the positive and negative eugenics movement? Or just simply how attitudes about race have evolved since the fucking 1920s? Because I am just too goddamn tired to deal.
Troll throws magic trump card, congradulates self, jerks off, falls asleep, never knows any different.
Wait, Byrd was in the KKK? Wow, that's an awesome trump card; wingnuts should totally ignore his many, many, many repudiations and apologies for his past, and the fact that he didn't switch to the GOP with the other Dixiecrats and bring that up every single fucking time, constantly, people discuss conservative racists, because that's not both tedious and easily refuted at all.
Hey, did you know that Robert Byrd was in the KKK?
If they have real dinosaurs, they'll have to make room for Jeff Goldblum.
Governor…, after careful consideration, I've decided *not* to endorse your park.
Call up my favorite evangelist, Bro. Stair, sometime, and ask him about dinosaurs. (He doesn't screen callers much). He'll about have a sh*t-fit telling you "THERE WERE NO DINOSAURS!!!!!" And he knows everything 'cuz he's a prophet! Just ask him!t (Tho' his enemies call him the Profit….)
And so continues the public flirting between Rick Sanchez and Helen Thomas. You two–get a room already!
I am unsure why all anti-Arab propagandists would have to be Zionist. Especially considering the conservative goal of wanting to save Israel in order for all the Jews to die/convert and fulfill some kind of end of the world fetish.
As for the Dinosaur stuff, let me just cut and paste my comment from Gawker.
I'm sure we'll have representative kinds of animals on the ark, to include dinosaurs."
Translation: they'll have a pair of little lizards.
If you've spent any time debating creationists you know that they have "solved" the riddle of how to fit the entire world's fauna onto the Ark by developing the notion of "kinds." "Kinds" in creationist-speak are the common ancestors to today's animals. According to creationists the ark did not contain representatvies of all animals, only representatives of all "kinds." So rather than having tigers, lions, leopards, cheetahs etc. Noah only really had to bring a couple of kittens on to the ark. Then, in a span of a couple of thousands of years after the flood, the cats migrated and "micro-evolved" into all the feline species around today. Likewise, creatinists insist (absurdly) that dinosaurs were a later development of some little lizard that was brought onto the Ark.
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Now you may be thinking: they can't honestly believe that?! That's the stupidest idea ever. And you'd be right. Except you have to remember: they're also stupidest people ever.
They don't believe in evolution, but they believe in "micro-evolution"? Do they really call it that? Show me in the Bible where it says tigers "micro-evolved" from housecats. I sense a logical inconsistency here.
You're only NOW sensing a logical inconsistency?
Yes. Until this moment I believed in Creation Science as a rational, fact-based analytical system that explains many observable phenomena in the universe, and can be used to postulate repeatable experiments to test new hypotheses to explain the rest.
No wait, that's real science. Creation "science" is pure bullshit.
No wait — creation science is the pure bullshit of religion, cloaked in a mendacious tissue of scientific language. It's a tissue of mendacity, I tell you!
Fizzed.
Ah, the stupidity and bizarre contortions that the zealots have to go through to try and explain how some dumb old story that has been conclusively disproven could still have happened is fairly entertaining, until one remembers that they actually want to teach these lies to children.
1. They could, of course, have birds; but that would mean accepting that modern birds appear to be descended from dinosaurs.
2. The truly mind-numbing stupid of the "micro-evolution", or post-Flood metamorphosis, "idea" is that these are the very same people who insist that evolutionary theory must be wrong because they've never seen a new species arise. Obviously, they do not suffer from the hobgoblin of small minds.
Those are the Liberal Creationists, half-way to the despised Theistic Evolutionists!
So that explains John McCain then…
Heres my version of Noah’s Ark (influenced by Jared Diamond’s Guns Germs and Steel):
Noah’s Ark is about the oldest story in the Bible; it describes a cataclysm that destroys all known society. It probably took place in between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. And probably immediately proceeded Babylon. Well at least according to my conjecture.
Man made the transition from hunter-gatherers to farmers. They first hung around places where grains where present to supplement their hunting and gathering. They might stumble across a few different grains and figure out how to farm them. Then they might acquire a few domesticable animals.
One could imagine that such a small groups would come and go. Some disaster or other would wipe them out, and then some other group would start the same process over.
So, Noah was a member of some early transition farming group. He saw the disaster coming. The flooding of the land between the Tigris and Euphrates. And he had the forethought to preserve the group’s grains and domesticable animals. Making their recovery from the disaster possible, and making a great story to pass down though the generations. Until we get the transmogrified version that in no possible way could be true.
That’s just my guess.
I saw a bit of that Creation Museum in Religulous, and it's a trip. They actually had a saddled Jeebus horse, as well as biblical-type kids playing next to a stegosaur or something. Can't wait to see what they put on that ark.
This is Northern Kentucky's approach to economic development!
I will let you know how I feel about this as soon as Sarah's tweet about it comes out.
I will let you know how I feel about this as soon as Sarah's tweet about it comes out
You must be a Palin firster.
OK, now that line doesn't even make any sense; what the fuck does "Palin firster" even mean? Also, you might want to try looking into the meanings of irony and sarcasm; we use those a lot here.
Why you gotta be such an elitist fag? pauletteanne is a hard ass worker so STFU!
It's a mis-spelling of Palin-Fister!
Clearly, she meant "Palin Fister."
Yikes, who'd wanna put their hand in there?
Helen Thomas: the poor man's Noam Chomsky
"Palestinians were there long before any European Zionists."
Yes but Jewish people were in Palestine for thousands of years before Islam existed (it arose in the 7th century AD, in case you're confused, Helen) so one could argue that Jews have an even MORE historical claim to the land and besides which…
Oh you know what? I'm not going to bother. Just shut the fuck up, Helen Thomas. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
But they'd gone for about 1900 years until a half-century ago; if we want to go back that far we should also consider giving Turkey back to the Italians because of how the Greeks dispossessed them from Troy.
Silly! I-talians eat spaghetti, not turkey.
Sure, and we could also give North America back to the Natives, and Texas back to Mexico (not a bad idea actually) and so on…
I was trying to highlight the irrelevance of the whole "But we were here first" argument to solving the problem now. Both groups are there now and neither one is going anywhere, so arguing over who has been there longer is sort of pointless.
Good point. Israelis would be hard put to do without Palestinian agriculture, anyway. As one of Ha'aretz's columnists put it, if the settlers got rid of the Palestinians, who would wipe their arses?
Roman Palestine had Jews, Samaritans, Idumaeans, Galilaeans, Ituraeans and other sorts of Isrealites. (Greeks and Phoenicians, too.) When Constantine and Theodosius told all Romans "turn Xtn," some of them turned Xtn. When the Muslims came along, and allowed converts after a couple centuries, some of them switched camps again (for lower taxes, mostly).
Lots of Palestinians are Xtns. None are Philistines, despite what lots of US fundies think.
Nope, even by Classical times there were no Philistines. Besides, the Philistines were probably Anatolians (like the Hittites, Lycians, Lydians, and Trojans) or at least closely related. Possibly although not likely you could include the Etruscans in that set, too (Everybody's related to someone, but figuring out who the Etruscans were especially related to remains a tough nut to crack). But while the name Palestine is drawn from the name of the Philistines, the notion of today's Palestinians as descendants of the Philistines in any sense is preposterous, much like any other idea pulled from fundamentalist fundaments.
PS. paulettanne is an exceptionally poopy poopyhead.
PPS. Trucknutz. Buttseckz. Titz or GTFO.
Quite true. The original Philistines were Mycenaeans. At least their pottery and architecture is Myc. We don't have any books, so we don't know their language their stamp seals had a linear script. Not identical with Linear A or B but similar.
But the inhabitants of the Philistine plain were deported by the Assyrians at the same time as the Israelites in the northern kingdom, and never returned.
Their artifacts certainly have a pronounced Mycenaean appearance. What few scraps of their language we have, however, (names like Goliath/Waluattes, Ankhish/Anchises) suggest an affinity with peoples further east. My guess is that they were remnants of the Anatolian population that lived in Greece before the Greeks moved in.
I did not know about their deportation by the Assyrians; I always just assumed they were absorbed by the Israelites. The Assyrians were some nasty motherfuckers.
Shorter Glenn Greeenwald.
I don't know which I'm more tired of: Jews hating Muslims or Muslims hating Jews. Rodney King had the right idea, but of course he had to have the shit beat out of him before he came up with it. On a lighter note, the pix of the all grown up and slutty Palin kid is intriguing; I'm not surprised her head is still a snug fit up in her momma's snatch. The First Dude is a simple man: tight pussy, loose shoes and a warm place to shit, what more could a man want?
I doubt it's tight anymore. Anyway, he's a sailor/oil worker and probably comes home twice a year. How does he meet his needs the rest of the time? Maybe best not to know….
It used to be that religious Jews and Zionists were big enemies. Z'ism was a secular, maybe atheistic, nationalism. Pretty left-wing, too. Stalin was an ally in the war of independance, and gave the Zionists a butt-load of captured German weapons at one point. Mao deported all the western Jews in China to Israel in 1949, with the help of the Jewish Agency.
For that matter, Palestinian nationalism has been secular, too. Not Muslim, certainly. Lots of Pals. are Catholics or Orthodox (which is why the Born-again Xtn Zionists hate them so much.) Arafat's wife is a Catholic.
"what more could a man want?"
Pizza, beer.
Strangely enough, on this issue, Glenn Beck and Helen Thomas agree.
Strangely enough, on this issue, Glenn Beck and Helen Thomas agree.
Beck is 100% pro-Israel, most Mormons are.
That was a ridicuolus statement.
Beck is 100% an anti-Semite. Most Birchers are.
Educated yourself. Look at the NAZI propaganda, and then at Beck's propaganda against George Soros. Notice any similarities? Better yet, just look at any writing by Birchers, and see why William F. Buckley led the movement to clear them out of the Republican Party in the 60s.
Plus, can you really believe anyone that is a member of a heretical sect?
I guess I showed you who made a ridiculous statement.
Beck is 100% an anti-Semite.
That is just untruth. Sorry Charlie. Beck consistently talks about Israel in a VERY positive light.
You are just wrong. He has Rabbis on his shows all the time as well.
The ADL is wrong on this, which is why they RETRACTED their statement about a month ago.
But, here is something to be happy about, since Ms Thomas, the hateful skank let out some more of HER Nazi propaganda:
http://www.freep.com/article/20101203/NEWS/101203...
So, where is the stupid ADL to say anything about a REAL Jew hater?? HUH???
George Soros is not a supporter of Israel or US JEWS, even though he is a self hating Jew.
You know, they said the same thing about Hitler.
You don't want to be known for liking Hitler, do you?
"self hating Jew" = a routine slur, like "anti-american," "nazi," "m*other-f*cker," etc. Please, come up with more creative insults!
One can easily be pro-Israel and anti-Jew at the same time. Examples abound in US fundie circles.
One can easily be pro-Israel and anti-Jew at the same time
Or Anti-Israel AND Anti-Jew, like soros.
I remember when Brigham Young opened a branch in Jerusalem! They had to promise not to try to convert people, to placate all the anti-missionary clubs in Israel. I was on the same flight as some of their summer school students once, and El Al sent all their luggage to Puerto Rico! Mine, too, unfortunately.
Oh, yeah, I forgot how much those Mormons love the Jews. I mean, they love them so much that they convert them to Mormonism posthumously. Nothing says "profound respect for another's religious and cultural traditions" like converting them to your religion secretly after they die.
Care to try again there?
Born-agains hate Mormons, but they agree on this point.
Thirty Helens agree:
Congress, the White House, and Hollywood, Wall Street, are owned by the Zionists.
Thirty Helens agree, Congress, the White House, and Hollywood, Wall Street, are owned by the Zionists.
Yay KITH!
Read the comment blogs in Ha'aretz and you'll learn that Israel is owned by American nutters!
Helen would probably know, didn't she interview Moses?
Thanks for the recap of the previous 2 comments, dumby.
Kind of seriously on subject, but I'd like people to read the whole article. There is a lot in there to digest.
BTW, also on a serious note, it sucks that bigots took the word "Zionism/Zionist" for their own nefarious, disgusting means, because actual modern Zionism is a pretty offensive, untenable idea all on its own when applied to the modern-day State of Israel. It basically denies that anyone else ever lived and ruled there but Jews (or at least that those people don't really matter), when the reality is that the land has been home to a diverse group of people (including but not limited to the Jews) for thousands of years.
Which is exactly why throughout recorded history there have pretty much always been really nasty disagreements over just who it belongs to, unfortunately.
The point is with a history as storied and complicated as that land's, it belongs to whoever the fuck decides to be there, and especially those that lived there before the modern state was contrived.
The fight over who the state belongs to (no one and everyone) is entirely the wrong fight, but try telling that to the folks that live there. Truth is that until the idea of modern Zionism (i.e. the vision for a homeland for the Jews…in the Biblical land of Israel) took over that part of the world, the parties that lived there side-by-side did so relatively peacefully, and when something did jump off, it was simple ethnic fights.
Jews aren't the problem, nor are the Palestinians, but Zionism definitely is a modern root to the problem, as was the Pan Arabism and militant Islam in reaction to Zionism, though, both to a much lesser extent.
"politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
"If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country."
-David Ben-Gurion
Anti-Arab propaganda cuts across party and ethnic lines. It isn't quite the new anti-Communism–that is anti-Muslim, whether Arabs, Pakistani, Albanians or Indonesians–but it is a close second.
Quite true. There used to be lots of Arab Christians, mostly eastern rite Catholics and Orthodox, but Western colonialism and neo-colonialism have done them lots of harm. Bush's invasion of Iraq has largely forced the Assyrians and Chaldaeans from their historic homes.
Bush and his pal, Franklin Graham, had a scheme to give tracts to all the survivors of the initial "shock and awe" campaign, telling them how US Born-agains loved them and why they should join the Baptist church. BBC even interviewed Franklin (son of Billy) Graham about this. You can track it down in their website, if you like.
You can imagine how this improved Xtn-Muslim relations! Even tho' Bush-Graham type Protestants despise Catholics as much as they do Muslims.
So when is Helen going to criticize Saudi-backed media, like Fox?
Tired of her.
"The Zionists have to understand that's their country, too. Palestinians were there long before any European Zionists."
Thomas claimed that "You can not say anything (critical) about Israel in this country."
In a speech that drew a standing ovation, Thomas talked about "the whole question of money involved in politics.
The way that her comments have been taken out of context indicates that she may have a point.
A few years ago, Philip Roth wrote a semi-fictional book, in which someone advocates "Diasporism", which is all the Western Jews should return to Europe/America and leave the Eastern Jews (Mizrachim) to their fate. Probably something like that will eventuate in real life.
Did you ever play "I've got your nose" with a child, and have that child freak out and start crying? I imagine this still works on most Creation "Science" adherents.
You don't want to be known for liking Hitler, do you?
No, but it appears that Thomas does, doesn't it?
Once again, something she and Beck have in common.
Boo! My programmer gonna getcha!
It Bites us!
The earliest painted pottery is VERY Mycenaean looking, but on Egyptian or Canaanite shaped pots. The earliest fortifications at, e.g., Ekron, are quite Mycenaean in design, I'm told. There are stamp seals and even a few clay tablets (shaped like Myc. tablets) that survive. They are written in some kind of linear script, but not quite the same as A or B or the Cypriote Bronze Age script, nor linear script Cypriotes used in classical times. They can't be read. Probably not all the Mycenaeans were Greek speaking. As you say, probably Anatolian languages/ethnoi. Perhaps the mysterious "Pelasgians" of classical times. Lots more to be discovered!
Assyrians mixed everybody up, sending Meso people all over too. That's why Akkadian language died out. Aramaic became the common language of all the refugee communities.
I keep hoping someone will find Aramaic books from the later periods, like Hellenistic or Parthian. Maybe copies of the same stuff on the tablets, like astro data or mythology. No one has ever searched the caves of the Zagros, I'm told.
But Bushy has ruined archeology, along with his more serious crimes!
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