Here’s a fun thought experiment to distract us from rampant crap articles about Hillary Clinton running for vice-president: How would her party have fared in last Tuesday’s midterms if she was president? Pretty well, according to Dana Milbank! How does he know this? He discussed the matter with the world’s most impartial Hillary Clinton experts, “Clinton campaign advisers I spoke with.” According to these people, Clinton has some sort of magical “experience toolkit” that would have made voters hate the Democratic Party less, and she would have been bullied into being a less accomplished president. “Would the Democrats have lost fewer seats on Tuesday?” Dana asks. “It’s impossible to know.” But this guy still pretends he does know, and his answer is yes.
But what can be said with confidence is that Clinton’s toolkit is a better match for the current set of national woes than they were for 2008, when her support for the Iraq war dominated the campaign.
Back then, Clinton’s populist appeal to low-income white voters, union members and workers of the Rust Belt was not enough to overcome Obama’s energized youth vote. But Clinton’s working-class whites were the very ones who switched to the Republicans on Tuesday.
The very ones, eh? Apparently about half of the people who voted in Democratic primaries in 2008 (i.e. strongly aligned Democrats) voted for the Republican Party in midterm elections this year. Doing some quick math here, it would appear Republicans won 75% of the vote nationwide and 400 House seats in 2010. That’s amazing! Who knew everyone was such a PUMA?! If only that bitch were president!
Clinton campaign advisers I spoke with say she almost certainly would have pulled the plug on comprehensive health-care reform rather than allow it to monopolize the agenda for 15 months. She would have settled for a few popular items such as children’s coverage and a ban on exclusions for pre-existing conditions. That would have left millions uninsured, but it also would have left Democrats in a stronger political position and given them more strength to focus on job creation and other matters, such as immigration and energy.
Yes, Clinton’s miserable failure to pass health care for the second time would have been seen as a good thing, not as a weakness. If that had happened, Dana Milbank surely would have taken to the pages of the Post to discuss what a strong bitch-in-chief she was. If she had completely caved to the Republican Party on health care, they would have seen her strength and given her free reign to pass immigration and energy reform. Oh no! This woman who could not pass health care reform on the second go-round with large majorities in Congress is too powerful! Does she want mandatory abortions for all married white couples? GIVE IT TO HER! SHE’S TOO POWERFUL!
Some differences would have been stylistic. As a senator from New York, Clinton had good relations with Wall Street. As the heir to her husband’s donor base, she would have had more executives in government – envoys who would have been able to ease the uncertainty about tax and regulatory policy that has been crippling business.
See, this is another good thing! Because her husband had big-time Wall Street donors, she would have given all of them cushy government jobs, because that’s just simple fairness. And the voters would have loved seeing those honorable Wall Street economic titans helping them out in their government. “We don’t want you to come through on your campaign promises,” the voters would have told Hillary, “because if you did, your party may not do as well in the midterms. Instead, we would like you to do nothing with your power but hand it over to our friends the Wall Street bankers, please.”
If you want to read an article about the midterms, you should make it Cord Jefferson’s latest, about how voters were miserably ignorant of the Obama policies on which it was said this election was a referendum. These people had no idea Obama cut their taxes, the economy has grown under Obama, or that TARP was successful. If Republicans hadn’t scared the electorate about health care, it would have been something else. Voters were frightened by unemployment and a sagging economy, and no amount of “Hillary4U&Me” would have changed that, no matter how much Dana Milbank bitches about it. [WP/The Root]







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Was Dana Milbank trying to go as Michael Jackson for Halloween?
He fights like Michael Jackson, sings like Joe Frazier.
Thriller in Manilla!!!!
Hillary Clinton is still my FAVORITE Senator, and the only one I could see myself really working with.
you' re a witch.
or warlock.
You'll hear all about it tonight, and more, as Christine O'Donnell begins her media victory lap by appearing on Leno.
Palin/O'Donnell 2012- watch for it on TLS!
Mow the lawn!
About the only thing that we can be pretty sure about in the alternative universe where Clinton is President is that the teabaggers or their equivalent would be showing a lot less racism and a lot more sexism. Otherwise, it's just pointless masturbatory speculation, something that the Post is very good at.
Somehow I don't think slapping a Hitler mustache on a Hilary poster would have had the same visceral thrill for the baggers.
Yeah – no Hitler mustache. They would have gone with the Nazi dominatrix with a riding crop.
Oh, it probably would; hell I remember some proto-teabaggers calling her "Hitlery" back in the day.
The whole "man up" angle would be intensified, testing the very fabric of pantsuits everywhere.
I'm sure the conservative lobbying organizations spending four times as much as the liberal ones (mostly in the last month before the election) didn't have anything to do with the misperception of President Obama's policies. Anyway, the reminder that we got healthcare reform — after only 80 years of trying unsuccessfully — along with Wall Street semi-reform and the Recovery Act makes losing some seats in Congress seem worthwhile.
sure, and HAMP is Barack Obama's crowning jewel.
Hillz is doing a bang up job running the world as SoS.
Besides, W is coming out of his hidy hole to promote his childrens book.
America can laugh again!
Dana Milbank? Is he still typing? I thought he had his literary license revoked for WWI – Writing While Ignorant.
That ain't no crime in these here parts. In fact, if I were a betting man, I'd say writing'll be a crime before ignorance ever will.
this is good news for john mccain.
HENGH???
Has Ms. Milbank ever tried googling Hilary Clinton? Might find a few thousand conspiracy theories that make being the son of Malcolm X look pretty tame.
Yes, it's amazing how good your poll numbers are when the real vast right-wing conspiracy isn't out to annihilate you.
Instead of "Where's the Birf Certificate?" it would be "Who Killed Vince Foster?"
And they'd have the same reactions to reason and evidence.
Actually, Rove & Co. wouldn't have gone with that level of crazy if Hills had won the nomination. They would have just run Dubya's 2000 campaign with a more sharply pointed stick, because they'd have had a real Clinton to kick around. They'd have claimed Bill would really be running things and staining the Oval Office carpet again. And the sexism you see aimed at Pelosi would have been in overdrive against Clinton. They really, really wanted Hills as the nominee, that's why they were so "friendly" to her during the primaries.
A stylish pantsuit on every ass and a Tyson chicken in every pot. Hillary 2012 !
Sure, Hilz would've kept the pre-existing conditions clause, and got rid of all the rest. In fact, that would've gotten rid of the whole "problem" because guess what: the sweet, lovable insurance companies don't want you to wait until you get sick to buy health insurance.
And what about TARP and the stimulus and GM? How would those Hillary-loving Rustbelt Unemployeds have liked it if she scuttled the GM bailout?
Dana: it's too late to write beat-sweeteners for President Hillary. State is her last job. Deal with it, get on her airplane and go with her to whatever shit-hole country she dutifully and effectively represents us to, and learn to enjoy it.
Other than fantasizing that Hilary would have fought harder and been less touchy-feely and bipartisan than Hopey, it's all a bunch of pointless speculation. And pointless speculation is something WaPo is particularly renown for. That and for David Broder being a tired old fossil.
Hitler advisors I spoke to said the Fuhrer would totally have rocked the midterms, too… even moreso than Hillary.
Ooops, did I just invoke Godwin's law?
In the parallel universe where Hillary Clinton was actually elected, we'd all be wondering what if Obama was president.
And everything else would be pretty much the same.
No, I think she would have failed at Health Care a second time. "Kill Hill's Healthcare Again!" would have been a great wingtard rallying cry.
Y'know, thank you for that. I'd been starting to feel sheepish for having gotten so worked up during the whole dreary Obama vs. Clinton primary sludgefest. I appreciate the perspective that things did turn out for the better, even if not to the extent a lot of us, umm, hoped.
No, becaus even if he had lost his primary bid, Obama was on track to be president, someday, anyway. It became clear during the primaries that if even he'd lost, he was next in line, and to add onto that, it's very likely that Hillary would have chosen him as her VP.
Pantsuits and cankles are soooo 2008, unfortunately, shrillness and hypocrisy are still very much in vogue.
'Sides, she's doing a bang up job as SOS, and she looks a million times better than when she was running. AmIrite, girls?
Never been a pretty woman, Father time and Mother Nature are kicking her fat ass, big time. Hard to watch.
Oh yeah. It's not like the GOPers have a hardon for Clinton or anything. They've NEVER had an organized noise machine that shit on the Clintons.
And a tip o' the hat to Jack for waking us up from our cheese-induced coma!
Or our lactose-intolerant runs to the shitter.
Did people really overwhelmingly change their minds? Or did 3-5% of the voters with an IQ over 100 stay home, while 3-5% of retards took their place?
We should change voting day to Sunday before noon: To keep those that believe in the Rapture busy doing something else.
elections clearly need to be a week long holiday with media fanfare and parties akin to the super bowl or the olympics. having them on one day in the middle of the workweek was designed from the beginning to have fewer people participate.
Almost everywhere else in the world, they vote on Sunday. Or Saturday. Why not us?
well except that would exclude the hungover.
That's no excuse. I've done more important things with a hangover. I've done more important things completely wasted!
Take your IQ idea and replace it with age. The Olds took the place of all those kids who came out in 2008 but were too busy doing bong hits on Tuesday morning to realize it was the mid-term election.
Once again, the press shows intense fascination with one of the Clinton's "toolkits."
Here's one tip, Dana: instead of speculating out of your ass why Democrats did well in 2008 and not in the midterms, try looking at the actual polls, which didn't show much in the way of working-class whites switching parties, but did show a lot of young and black liberals staying home while old white bigots all still went out to vote.
There's only one cunt in this story and it isn't Hillary.
Dana's been infested!
Bulls-Eye!
Bill Clinton was the best Republican President the nation has ever seen.
Could both the Bushes and the Clintons just exit the national spotlight and leave us the fuck alone?
What gets me is that there's a group of liberal bloggers who are very angry at Obama for not liberal enough who like to claim that we'd be in a new left-wing paradise if Clinton had won instead. Yeah, because her whole career she's promoted strong progressive ideals and not wishy-washy centrism.
Forget it. They're already calling Chelsea, "Baby Doc."
Win of the Morning!
"Some differences would have been stylistic." You're shitting me, right?
Lordy Lordy, voters were miserably ignorant in the last election. Why that would be easily explained as that many of them are Fox News viewers.
I know that Rupert would have been very kind to Hillary in his media outlets. And a sparkle pony would have farted glittery tax cut coupons at all of her events once Rupert gave the word.
Ok. Fine. But what's his take on Olbermann being suspended and all? Oh wait, I don't give a shit.
Oooo! Alternate universes, I love these. Hillary is President! I have a rack like Scarlett Johanson. Boehner has a nasty staph infection he picked up in an unsanitary tanning bed! The Tabaggers cut Medicare/Medicaid so much that Type 2 Diabetes is no longer covered, resulting in a death epidemic for the obese Rascal riders!
I don't want to interrupt your fantasy, but wouldn't it be easier to keep the same breast size, and wish for an alternative universe where the male brain was reprogrammed to think that an A-cup was very much hubba-hubba? Plus, you'd save $$$ on foundation garments.
I think you're referring to Sweden.
I support that alternate universe for the sake of Boehner's staph infection. And the Scarlett Johanson rack – yes, that definitely gets a thumbs up.
Hilary's a puma? I thought she was a cougar.
Anyone with even a basic understanding of the health care law knows that you can't JUST have a ban on pre-existing conditions. If you want to cover pre-existing conditions and you also want to keep the private insurance system, you need either the individual mandate or some other form of massive subsidies to insurance companies. Hillary could not have settled for "just" a ban on pre-existing conditions because such a bill would never pass.
I understand the general public not knowing that or even someone who works in fundraising/campaign land. But anyone who has covered politics, for a living, over the past 2 years should know that.
Well, Hillary essentially wanted the German system, which has the individual mandate.
But it doesn't matter. Congress would have given her the exact same legislation they gave to Obama and she would have signed it.
You expect fact-based reportage and commentary? It is to larf.
Well, what about simply covering politics with a thin layer of feces? That pretty much gives Millbank a pass here.
Hey you dizzy children, who wants to help an old molter out? I am continually logged out involuntarily any time I do just about any damn thing: refresh, open a new story, hell, even just changing to the second page of comments. As you might imagine, this has become mildly irritating, in the way that say, ebola for example, might inconvenience one. What did I do wrong? How have I failed, epically or anecdotally?
Oh, right, bring some silly. Almost forgot. BOOBIES!
I think it's probably a problem involving cookies; try getting the crumbs out from your computer.
What browser are you using? If you have more than 1 browser installed try another one. Firefox and Chrome both work fine for me.
The crumbs didn't work but the K-Roam did. Mil gracias compas!
Are you behind a firewall? Since I usually go to Wonkette when work is driving me insane, I get this a lot too, and I squarely blame the firewall. I still count my lucky stars that they don't outright block this site.
"Don't ask, don't tell" would be White House policy, but only regarding the First Gentleman's penis.
Can I have a job now, Jay Leno?
I'm ambivalent about Hillary Clinton (sometimes I like her, and sometimes I loathe her), but nothing gets me into a frothy rage like "Well, if HILLARY were President…" shit. You know what? We'd probably generally be in the exact same place, except it would be sexist signs at the Tea Party rallies instead of racist ones, and Issa would be preparing to investigate the death of Vince Foster.
And what is it with all of my gay brethren who are convinced if only Hillary were president we'd all be getting gay married on the beach this summer and cheering on the new Pink Berets battalion? How did she get some strange "diva" status where we're just supposed to think she's so cool? She wouldn't have done a damn thing more for gays than Obama has! Stop it!
"Issa would be preparing to investigate the death of Vince Foster."
Until you just posted, I had never considered the odd fact that the Right was consumed with uncovering 'the truth' about Whitewater but was thoroughly disinterested in looking into the horrors of Blackwater. Sounds sorta backwards for them, no?
After Hillary got so horrifically, publicly scorned by her no-good cad-about-town hetero-super-normative husband, the gays had to adopt her as their hag.
Yeah, but is that ALL it takes to get our gay-love? Jeez, we used to at least ask for singing ability and flamboyant fashion. Gays today…
O/T: Saw "Social Network" last night. Made me want to get off Facebook right away, thank you. Our social contexts are created, managed, owned, and ruled by 20-something, hyper-competitive/insecure/arrogant bourgeois progeny/meangirl-meanboys, but, oh, wait, we knew that. Never mind. Carry on.
Here's the dream ticket for 2012:
President: Ketih Olbermann
Vice President: Alvin Greene
Secretary of State: Angelina Jolie
Defense Secretary: Dennis Kucinich
Homeland Security Secretary: Barney Frank
Director of National Intelligence: Rachel Maddow
Labor Secretary: Tony Soprano
Commerce Secretary: Jack Abramoff
Justice's Attorney General: Arnold Schwarzenegger
Education Secretary: Al Franken
Housing and Urban Development: Kwami Kilpatrick
White House Chief of Staff: Mike Bloomberg
Treasury Secretary: Adrian Fenty
Read more at Wonkette: Olbermann Was Suspended For Not Apologizing For Being Olbermann
You, my friend, have waaaay too much time on your hands.
"As a senator from New York, Clinton had good relations with Wall Street."
I guess Dana didn't notice that the Obama administration has been fellating Wall Street and Big Bank busily ever since we gave them the keys to the car. You want good relations, it's hard to beat the old non-stop knob job.
Dana Milbank is the embodiment of what everyone hates about D.C.. Smug, unfunny-jokester, elitist, plutocrat-suckup who thinks that the system works just fine, as long as the correct corporate tool (Clinton) is at the helm He is pretty much the top authority on beltway whizdumb. Eff him and his stupid face.
Dana must have some really good lube. Otherwise he would have rubbed himself raw from all of that masturbating.
Maybe so, but then, why hasn't he started working for Politico?
Aaaand here's someone to cry MULLIGAN! However, I welcome this as the sign that post-election analysis is almost over. It's now down to fairy-tales.
High-level Fred Thompson campaign staffers I spoke to told me that if Fred had been elected president, we yrdfhc5skly45jkh.kuyh, Sorry, I fell asleep. What was I talking about?
So if Hillary had been elected, Bill Clinton would be first spouse and in charge of the anti-obesity program? Pleez.
So Dana thinks Hillz would have fared better than Billz did in his first mid-terms elections? Much like everything else written in the Post, that stretches the bounds of believeability…
…don't hold back now….
Hillary voted for the war and did not show an inch of remorse for doing it and told us she did not even bother to read the intelligence reports. 21 senators voted against the Iraq War because the knew that the footnotes of these intelligence reports were glossed over. That vote and her tortured argument that LBJ was more instrumental in civil rights than MLK just so she can undermine community organizing skills of Obama. She also ran an very bad campaign that relied on democratic machine leaders than grassroots ground game.
Although I loved Amy Pohler playing Clinton against Tina Fey's Sarah Palin. I liked THAT Hillary Clinton.
"I invite the media to grow a pair, if not, they can borrow mine"
"Ask THAT ONE about Dinosaurs!"
Hard on neo-liberalism with Hillary.
Neo liberalism lite with Obama……..so far.
Keep her jet-lagged, sleep deprived and cranky; not a bad plan. Rather have her inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. Who said that? LBJ? Diabolically clever.
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