- All Hail John Boehner, America’s newly crowned Orange Mikado! Blessings and peace be upon him, and may he bestow upon us a plentiful cigarette harvest, so that we may have cancer of the lungs and/or mouth, whatever. Yes, November really was the Teabaggers’ “N word.” But c’mon people, it’s not like the Republicans eloped with your girlfriend and then tongue punched her fart box. (Some of us don’t even have girlfriends to tongue punch.) Anyway, which Democrats/Marijuana Initiatives lost last night? Basically all of them, except for Harry Reid! At least Meg Whitman lost, so maybe Baby Jesus doesn’t hate Freedom. (Maybe.) Also: No verdict yet on Murray or Bennet, but it looks like they both will squeak by with a Win. So it’s not all vomit-inducing news! Here is a helpful map that lets you stay updated on Barack Obama’s Massive Loss last evening. [CSM]
- Berlusconi’s People of Liberty party is the most popular political party in Italy, even though Silvio is probably railing some seventeen-year-old girl, again. (Or maybe because he is railing this little girl?) We simply do not understand Italy. [Business Week]
- Russia canceled a fun missile deal with Iran. Ahmadinejad no likey! [Haaretz]
For people who can’t read, here is a short photo essay we made about What Happened Last Night And Why:
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Watch Christine O'Donnell and Carl Paladino's crazy concession speeches this morning to make yourself feel better: http://bit.ly/aOs7lg
I don't understand why Tom Petty attended the ODonnell non-rally.
"We have a lot of food, the room for the night, let's party" If I had a nickel for every guy that said this to me…
well, it proves "Christine is us!"
"I called my opponent, I told him he was going to do a shitty job, and now I'm telling you all he's going to do a shitty job. Have fun at your party without me, assholes!" What, that's not what you heard?
Don't forget to watch Tweety vs. Bachmann. You will feel a little better. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-matthews-to-mich...
More like "Rabid Whore"
It's mourning in America.
Oh, the huge manatee!
You need to buy Riley a red-and-white striped shirt to wear on his "adventures."
Whom the gods would destroy, they first make orange.
(I'm bettin' this sumbitch comes true. Snark & non snark in one sentence, another sign of the apocalypse.)
But on the brighter side, half the fucking blue dogs went down, so there's that.
Yeah! And Blanche Lincoln. I say good riddance.
A-Fucking-Men! Rather have a true corporate sell-out in the slot than these undercover stealth Republicans like Lincoln & Co.
That is a consolation prize. However, Jim Oberstar in MN and Dana Titus in NV both lost, so fuck. Looks like it's time to put the Truck Nutz back on the ol' Chevy….
And, two years from now, we've got the opportunity to put Lieberman and Nelson in the unemployment line. Yay!
Of course, being blue dogs, they'll probably conclude from this that they weren't "centrist" enough.
I would say yay to this, but given that my choice was between RINO Travis Childers (who said nothing) or wingtard Alan Nunnelee (who loves the guns and hates teh gheyz), I got nothing.
On the other hand, we also lost a lot of solid progressives, too, so all us libtards who are now claiming that the Real Narrative is that that the Blue Dog cowards screwed themselves over are probably also wrong.
I'm pretty sure that what really happened was that the out-of-control right-wing hate machine was particularly out-of-control and hate-ey this year, and pushed a lot of toss-up or leans-right districts really far to the right, the end. I'm also convinced it will get much worse before it gets better, and that we'll be hearing some downright terrifying "ideas" by 2012 as a result, but that's really me, the eternal optimist, speaking there.
Yeah I was just looking for a whole kernel of corn in the turd.
I have to say it is a wash. and compared to past prez's midterm's from both sides it was no where as close as the usual midterm ass whupin. Plus look at the brightside none of the extreme crazies got in like angle only the moderate crazy like rubio and haley which should surely lt will spay the palin now
Uh, Rand Paul?
And Toomey, and he's not even from a crazy state.
Don't be fooled by Philly; Pennsylvania is part of Appalachia.
You say tomato i say tomato. Rand will get down with mcconnell sickness or he may find himself by himself. Toomey is generic red he aint an extremist. I went to college in PA define crazy….
Oh, he's an extremist, as was clear when he ran against Specter; but like Paul (and unlike Angle, O'Donnell or Miller) he was smart enough to tone it down for the general election.
Cancel my subscription to the resurrection…
Look on the bright side: Two of the most extreme Mama Grizzlies (O'Donnell and Angle) went down in flames. Maybe that will suck some of the wind out of Sarah Palin's sails.
Without both chambers of Congress (as the Democrats showed us, even WITH both chambers) the baggers won't be able to do much of anything, and voters will soon become just as soured on the Republicans as they are on the Dems.
Obama still wields veto power. Harry Reid won, but hopefully his party will wise up and remove his majority leadership.
And Rahm is leaving!
All in all, I see reasons for optimism.
No. O'Donnell and Angle actually won; the myth that they "lost" has been spread by the lamestream LIEbrul media. Because freedom. Also.
Shit, with this many asshats in Congress now, I'm going to need more caffeine to keep the snark level up.
Yup. I know similar happened under Bubba, but the gullibility and stupidity is like clockwork.
There are enough sell-out "Dems" in the Senate to get Repug legislation passed, question is: can they peel off enough to overcome a Veto?
I haz a eskeerd so. It's like, somewhere along the line, a bunch of these assholes developed a Pavlovian response to suck on whatever genitals are put in front of them so long as they come complete with a Reagan tattoo.
…and Kash, dont ferget the kash.
Total ass-to-mouth for Reagan on the $100 bill.
Give us Schumer!
Or maybe Pat Leahy. He'll keep us safe from the Joker. He won't be intimidated by thugs!
& he's a Deadhead. Not my thing, but I can appreciate his commitment to the Cause.
DanielInouyeMentum FTW!
If I recall correctly, Palin endorsed O'Donnell, Paul, Angle, Fiorina, and Miller. With 'write in' leading in Alaska, it sounds like the grifter really does have the touch of lead. Too bad about Kentucky, but I get the feeling he's going to be more trouble for his own leadership than he will for the Democrats.
The thing about Rand Paul is, he's nuts, sure but he'll be better than Bunning was. I think he's the closest thing we've got to an openly atheist senator, for one thing.
It was very entertaining watching MSNBC last night and seeing Lawrence O'Donnell point out, "Rand Paul's totally going to filibuster raising the debt ceiling and the US is going to default on its debt and WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!"
Atheist? If so, he's been hiding it well behind a lot of typical fundie nonsense he's married to his Randian bullshit.
Remember that his opponent, whoever he was, began to suck wind when he criticized Paul for worshiping Aqua Buddha — not because it was a bad joke or maybe a kidnapping, but because Aqua Buddha is the wrong savior to worship. From this we can conclude that Kentuckians are all closet atheists. Or batshit crazy.
I think she also endorsed Tancredo a day or two before the election, so there's that too. Also.
As a native Kentuckian who left that state some 20 years ago, I can safely say that I hope the state gets what it deserves in Rand Paul. We'll see how much hootin' and hollerin' will be left when these anti-government rednecks find out that Rand Paul means no more spending and that includes on them, the ones who put him office and not just the illegals and negroes. Better start digging up more ginseng root to supplement that income once the assistance is gone. But hey, at least you won't have any negroes telling you what to do, am I right?
At least he won't be "practicing" medicine for awhile.
Let's hope Pelosi loans Reid her balls and he quits the mealymouthin' and general spinelessness.
I hold hope that the blue dogs figure out that being pussies got them (and us) nowhere and that one play we should take from the Rethuglicans is the ability to 'circle the wagons' and have one consistent message.
He's a Republican of color, that's for sure
Republicans: Breaking the Color Barrier, Once, in 150 Years
♫WhooHoooo♪ All Aboooaarrd! Next stop, Hooverville!
Recently renamed OBoehnertown.
I can't wait to experience the breadlines just like my grandpa! Thanks tea party for bringing back the old nostalgia of simpler times….
Be sure not to get the two confused.
That way lies Furrries. And Ladybugs.
(And FWIW the "us" in the second sentence should be an "is." And the last sentence should start with "Then" not "The." This is what happens when you type before a second cup of strong coffee.)
When will boner send the supreme court a thank you Hallmark…maybe some sweaters with love in every stitch?
It's mourning in America (well, for those of us with critical thinking skills and stuff) .
It's The Day After In America.
Fix me with a mourning-after pill then, somebody.
Send your pictures to Gawker for a little cash.
"Some of us don’t even have girlfriends to tongue punch."
Riley — My friend is hosting a party where everyone puts their keys in a bowl when they arrive. Let me know if you're interested.
Keys to what? Their repossessed cars or foreclosed homes?
They are all dudes, and they all draw each others' keys. To determine order in the man-train.
Waiting for defense budget slashing in 3…2.. Nah, not really. You can't cut 100 billion dollars from the budget in the first year of the New Orangeocracy by cutting defense of US America.
We're don't need to cut defense (except for body armor, bullets, veterans benefits,Humvee armor kits, etc, because you know we support MIC, err I mean the troops.) Everyone knows that the Department of Education takes up 98% of our budget and needs to be dismantled. Government fixed! After all, education is for communist libruls, not real Americans anyway.
No we need 10 Aircraft carrier battle groups in fully operational status, to fight insurgents in the mountains of Wyzirdastan or wherever the fuck those Al Qaida jaggoffs live. We have seen in the past, (read Vietnam) how effective a powerful naval force designed for cold war conflicts can be against insurgents in a remote area. Boner also owes a rimjob to some of the executives at Raytheon. Defense spending cuts, not gonna happen. Barry sucked at it too, so what are the chances of these assholes doing it?
A pox on both their houses.
As I walked into the office today, I saw a newspaper headline that read, "GOD Poised to Capture House."
I may have misread it, but in any case, bad news on the doorstep.
"tongue punched her fart box" That's pure comedy genius.
I, for one, welcome our new orange overlord. May the fickle voters judge him and his ilk with the same impatience and illogic in two years.
I would definitely steal that line; however, the need for a clever reference to the act of analingus in casual conversation has rarely come up (if ever) since I left the navy.
No, me neither. Unlike many US Americans, such as, I don't play the back nine. That's where cooties come from.
Haven't you ever requested a rim job from your local tire re-treader? He'll smooth out all those bumps & burrs for just a couple of bucks.
The first rule of Rimjob Club is, you do not talk about Rimjob Club.
So, I take it you aren't a member.
Anymore.
Breibart and now Boner? Wags, you're really working your way through the "B"s of the right-wing this election cycle. Nice slaute to the Oompa-Loompa overlord.
Pink really is your color!
Any Wonketteers have a line on employment anywhere BUT Wisconsin? The worst thing happened: a Real World: Boston castee won the 7th District. It is too much FAIL.
Only thing worse would have been a Snooki write-in campaign in Jersey bringing victory.
Welcome to the "SURReal World!"
I've acknowledged it; doesn't mean I have to like it.
And Nikki Haley is our new chief GILF. I'm expecting lots of sexy South Carolina coverage.
She's no Priya Rai.
Living in the capital city of SC, I can tell you that she's just not that attractive as the moving-picture news things make you think. She's ruddy and looks like a wreck. Her teeth are bleached, and she's got every bit the used body of a 40-year-old.
What does it say about this state when the First Vagina can get her some lovin at Group Therapy any night of the week? We continue to have these low standards, we will forever be undert the dictatorship of our own flaccid penis.
Christine O'Donnell, the woman who can't bear to touch herself, scored 123,025 votes, or 40% of the voters in Delaware. Delaware.
Sometimes I really really really do hate America for its stupendously arrogant, superstitious, violent, ignorant, cretinous fucking people. (pardon the misplaced modifier)
I bet she celebrated last night dangling her pubes all over some freshmen at Delaware State.
What's amazing is that she and Paladino insisted they must be listened to, because they lost. Dipshits.
I didn't win a Senate or Governor's race last night, either; everyone must listen to me!
" everyone must listen to me! "
And if I don't? You will?
Boy, I hope that was Snark Off!
You forgot "fat".
We're not taking about Megan McCain.
But her not-a-concession speech was so funny.
My home district was decided by less than a point and went to someone prone to stupid remarks and anti-Muslim bigotry, so I'm hoping there's some more insanity lurking inside that wasn't tapped quite yet. What I'm saying is, this seat should flip back in 2012.
I will refuse to watch cable news for a few days because the constant yammering about:
–'what message can Obama take from this?',
–'America really is a center right country',
–'does this mean the Tea Party is here to stay?'
–'does this mean Sarah Palin is the most powerful woman in the world?"
will force me to throw something through my hubby's high def teevee & I know he probably would not like that.
You bet! Thank the Fuckin' Lord for Family Guy reruns and 24-7 football talk on sports radio. I think a huge reason I don't feel so bad is because I didn't tune in last night to Tweety, Olberman, Pegs, Pat, or any of that weenie MSNBC cast.
I gotta say, though, that Tweety was spot-on in his interview with Bachmann. Called her hypnotized to her face, then said she was ignorant (or dumbass or just plain stupid–can't recall the exact quote) a few seconds later. All the usual suspects were laughing out loud in the background. I think he must've been drunk! I know I was.
I watched MSNBC all night and they were fucking hilarious, no Pat, just Laurence, Tweety, Rachel and Keith, there was a lot of drunken giggling in the background.
Aha, thanks for pointing out there was in fact no Catholic Nazi on the set at MSNBC, spewing fear of a black planet and looking like a deflated muppet of Alec Baldwin! Did someone shame them into firing his ass, or is he croaking somewhere in a bunker?
–'will the Dems now be ready to compromise?'
Yeah, there's gonna be a news blackout in the bc household, as well. Helloooo Netflix!
On the plus side, Massachusetts repealed the 6.5% state tax on alcohol so that's a win under the circumstances.
At least now I have something to look forward to besides dealing with shitty weather and making fun of the non-rhotic accents of my kinfolk when I visit the ancestral home this December.
The Narragansett Ale tastes less pissy without the surcharge.
Massachusetts has made sure its citizens are well prepared for the Republican Resurgence.
And Deval Patrick – one of yer blacks from Chicago – won reelection as your governor! Didn't he get the memo that negroes are out this year?
And he should totally have the cred to run for President sometime in the future, but he can't, because haven't we done enough for those people, letting the one colored man win? It's like the "reasonable" opposition in the civil rights days: it's not about what's right, it's about how much trouble it's worth. More blacks in high office will just keep stirring up the rednecks and disturbing the precious social order.
Love the avatar, by the way.
Hikky-burr!
Super-Sleaze John Edwards was right about one thing: there are two Americas, the thinking one and the visceral one. Like gas and water, they don't mix well. All my friends here in Retardistan (GA) are gloating. I honestly believe I may be the only one of them that pays taxes on more than a quarter mil a year, but they are fucking ecstatic. Don't think for a minute I'm going to let them off the hook when they lose the prospect of their free scooters, Medicare and retirement income. Must be true; a people always gets the Government it deserves.
You think Georgia's retarded? Have you been to Alabama, where they settle tenure issues at the fucking university with guns? Like we used to say in Missouri when I lived there: the state motto was "Not as bad as Arkansas!"
as a native Missourian and current Georgian, all I can say is……fuck it, I'm speechless!
Let's not forget about Mississippi, where they have proven that having the lowest taxes makes for the most booming economy.
Having been born in Georgia, we always said the only reason for Alabama was to separate Georgia from Mississippi, which was even worse.
You may want to consider changing friends – rearrange their faces, give them all another name or whatever
I don't have very high standards; fortunately for me, they don't either.
Let us all remember the "Republican Revolution" in 1994 that brought in all these tough-on-spending take-no-prisoner types…and then remember how their tactics brought a federal shutdown that pissed off a lot of voters. Will this crop learn from their elders' experience?
Probably not. 1994 was so last century.
Republican discipline is stronger than Democratic, usually, and I'm sure they'll still be more than able to Fuck Things Up, but I bet there will be a lot more in-fighting now, with Tea Parties roaring outside the Capitol about RINOs as a chorus. Have fun, Boner!
I don't know if I want to discourage more Tea Party Protests because they're annoying and they leave their crap all over the neighborhood or encourage them, because they'll probably be the only entertainment I can afford once they take my cable teeveez away…
It should be interesting. I am imagining these teabaggers arriving, thinking they're going to own the place, and can't help but think they'll be overwhelmed.
I'm wondering if the rethugs will offer a helping hand acclimating them to the ways of the capitol- you know, introducing them to the most influential pharma/defense/nicotine/corn lobbyists, suggesting which parties have the prettiest young boys, where they can buy XXXXXL adult diapers…
Today, we are all tongue punched fart boxes.
Gawd that man is ORANGE!!! I am black and he could hang out with my family and blend in. I know he's from the deep south but somehow I don't think that's the aesthetic he's trying to pull off.
Deep south-by-southwestern-Ohio.
My bad. I thought he was from South Carolina.
You mean North Kentucky?
It's like a diabetic Groundhog Day on a scooter, here in my Minnesota (Land of 10,000 Lizard People). We will have to endure another recount, this time for Gov. And, we will have to endure at least another two years of that hypnotized moran Bachmann.
Something else to look forward to, examplified by these sound bites from last night:
Emmer (R): "WE'RE CLOING IN AND, HELL YEAH, WE'RE GONNA WIN!"
Dayton (D): So I guess there's going to be a recount? Well, OK, so there, then.
Four years of listening to this mumbling, shambling, depressive doofus–for whom I voted–deal with the Repub legislature, ugh, kill me now.
Agreed. I voted for Kelliher in the primary, but held my nose and voted for Dayton last night.
Me too. But can you imagine what it would be like to listen to that thug Emmer? What choice did we have?
What happens if the recount goes on forever like the last one? An empty Governor's mansion is a little different than an empty Senate seat.
How long can Boehner live? With all that smoking, drinking, excessive crying and pandering I him give 6 weeks till they find his carcass slumped over a large stack of tobacco checks.
Hey, can we get us some teabaggers down here in Georgia? We need some nutjob infighting amongst the Republicans, who have basically created a one-party state. http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-election...
Georgia voters outside Atlanta and Savannah suck.
I would like some baggers in my state of Wyoming also. Also.
Yesterday we (well, "we") re-elected our GOP congressional ham sandwich for a second term. As much as it sells my state short, I'm glad we've only got one of them.
We've got two senators, though. At least one more than we deserve.
I like the photo that accompanies this post, very apropos.
♫ There'll be a hot time in
Lakehurst, New Jersey
When the Hindenburg comes in toniiiiiiiiiiight!!! ♫
Oh the orangity.
Well, at least you can say Obammar's got him a new smokin' buddy.
And when the two stand side by side, Obama looks like the caucasian one.
And when the two stand side by side, Obama looks like the <del> caucasian</del> human one. Fixed
MSNBC's new slogan is "Recoil Backward".
Snark all you want, but when the UN Troops take over Denver on their bicycles, you'll be sorry!
Hickenlooper! Hickenlooper! Hickenlooper! If you say it enough, you sound crazy.
Keep Loopin' that Hicken!
weather prediction for the coming two years–strong winds will blow every which way, there will be much heat but little light, and possibly one or more cold days in hell. impossible to know how to dress. umbrellas recommended (they can double as weapons in a pinch).
Looks like Obama picked the wrong week to try to quit smoking.
Needz moar gridlock
For half a decade you snarkers have shat all over the Nutmeg state just because of that horrible Lieberman fellow, but when push came to shove we returned all five democratic representatives—even the one in Greenwich!—last night and kept Linda McMahon out of the Senate. Where is our goddamn thank you?
too soon!
(Grumbles.) Ok. Fine. Thank you. (Grumble grumble.)
goddammit, thank you. there. happier?
true. i wish you were bigger.
We all are Northeastern liberals today.
Was very glad Debicella lost (they had him in the lead when I finally collapsed last night). Although, I have to say, it is nice that a rethug here in CT ran mentioning his 'pro choice' stance. You would never see that in, say, South Carolina.
And hooray–go away Linda–and take your shitstain of a family with you.
Rosa DeLauro tromped the competition yet again–apparently the 'IS DELAURO A COMMUNIST?' bumper stickers angle still isn't gaining any traction. Thank goodness for the continuing sanity of the 3rd district.
There are any number of things here in CT that I am not thrilled about, but at least we seem to have an electorate more skewed to having 'grown a brain'. Also.
What the fuck is with these weeping Repukes? Do they suffer from emotional incontinence or are they just fucked in the head.
Boner wept last night; now it's our turn.
Yes.
Rhetorical question is rhetorical.
Just when you thought the Senate couldn't possibly get any more retarded, they trade Russ Feingold for Rand Paul.
It's all fun and games for the GOP . . . until God calls on Bachmann to run for Speaker.
Oooh Oooh Please God. Pretty please.
No matter how you try to rationalize it and look back at Clinton's midterm or Roosevelt's, it still feels like "fuck that negro in the White House", since it is 100% based on lies about what he is and has done. I wonder how proud Michelle is in her adult life now.
I just know she's going to take it out on the fat kids.
I have no problem with that. In fact, I know some fatties she can start with.
Now she can go back to being ashamed of America. Kill whitey!
As a white person, I endorse the "kill whitey!" sentiment.
It is so true, you can just add the phrase "because there's a black man in the White House" to any and all Teabag statements…try it you'll see I'm right. "We want to take our country back…because there's a black man in the White House" Thank God the only states I have much contact with are NY and California, unless I get some insane regional theatre gig in Iowa or something.
So incredibly true, I could kiss you.
Puckers up and arches back expectantly.
Oh Lizzie, pretend forbidden passion in a time of epic turmoil is the hotness. You are the jewel in Wonkette's crown!
Oh yeah, and fuck. We got the country THEY deserve.
A high school classmate renounced his citizenship and moved to Canada when Ronnie Raygun was elected.
Sounds like a better idea, everyday.
I believe the United States has gotten too stupid to exist much longer.
Anyone see Haley Barbour this morning proclaim that Republican-backed welfare reform was the best government-enacted social reform of the past 50 years? Fuck that guy.
Last night Rachel Maddow completely put the smackdown on Evan Bayh ('he gave up his seat to the Rs, kept his $10M war chest, didn't campaign for the Democrat on the ballot & basically inherited his political capital'). Evan can STFU!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/02/rachel-m...
Thanks for posting this. I couldn't watch the news last night. I'm so glad she called him on this bullshit. The NY Times, however, ran it as a op-ed on what the Dems need to do next.
The meme he's pushing is already taking hold. For some reason, the GOP wins ONE chamber of Congress and they have a mandate to undo everything the Dems have done or ever will do on behalf of The American People ™. But when the Dems won the House, Senate, and White House everything they did was against the will of "The People."
It's one thing for the GOP to say that, it's quite another for Democrats to buy into it. Clare McCaskill said it means the Dems need to be more moderate like Manchin in WV. He's a MODERATE? who the fuck is she kidding?
How many billions did our reptilian overlords spend to oust Grayson so he couldn't be pointed to as an example of how successful a progressive could be if they adopted the Goopers loud tactics but used them to tell the truth??
Read this morning on the Yahoo message boards, some Tea Bagger stated that it will take years to fix all the damage that Obama has done to this country, and yesterday was just the first step.
* facepalm *
Perhaps hannity needs a new foil to replace Colmes after all these years.
I, for one, do NOT welcome our new Orange Overlords.
I know I would have loved some electoral Orange crush yesterday.
Now my pessimistic side is wondering just how long it will be before the teabaggers in Congress decide to bring up impeachment just for the hell of it, without even the pretext of a blowjob.
Preznitin' While Black
This deserves 67p, one for each senator it takes to impeach.
Mary Landrieu will cast the deciding vote — & promptly be lynched in the 9th Ward, as her brother leads the charge.
Fine, I'll take one for the team. Barry, unzip.
*thump*
It's twue! It's twue!
That deserves extra p points, about 69.
Your pessimistic side? I give them two days after swearing in. And that's my optimistic side.
" Now my pessimistic side is wondering just how long it will be before the teabaggers in Congress decide to bring up impeachment just for the hell of it, without even the pretext of a blowjob."
My are you feeling a bit GUILTY? Why else would you all be squirming in your panties?
GUILT has that effect on criminals.
OK, now the trolls aren't even making sense.
When did they ever?
Our side isn't the one that tortured people, Deary.
…err..what?
LOL you funny man. Now go back to your basement apartment, and maybe mommy will bring you some cookies and tea(tard).
How long does it take to have the rules read to them (since most can't read)? That long.
The lesson learned? The electorate is like an amoeba: it may be active or it may be dormant, but it's always a short-sighted little blob of snot.
Reading Soft-wood Bayh's op-ed from the Times — I saw the link on TPM — I only can reiterate: he's going to primary Obama in 2012. Mark it. I mean, why else hang on to his campaign treasury? To run for Indiana governor? Softy's been there, done that.
Of course he is. And here's a little secret: it's because Obama is a negro. Ted Kennedy primaried Carter because he was Ted Kennedy. Bayh, Sir, is no Ted Kennedy, and Obama is no Carter, but he is the first Negro President, and therefore subject to unprecedented levels of disrespect from his own party as well as the opposition.
I've never been to Indiana so no offense to any natives or current residents, but I've often heard that the state has, to put it mildly, a less-than-enlightened history of race relations. So it would not surprise me in the least if Evan Bayh, somewhere in the depths or even shallow end of what passes for his brain, feels exactly that way.
Per the All-Knowing Wiki:
"The Great Migration of African Americans to the North stoked racism by whites in Northern industrial cities; thus the second Klan would achieve its greatest political power not in any Southern state, but in Indiana."
It really saddens me to no end that we have failed to evolve past this racist moronic garbage. And the media continues to ignore the blatant obvious in-your-face for chrissakes Fear of a Black President stance of teabaggers, some blue dogs and (of course) the corporate owned and operated GOP.
<siiigh>
Is it safe to come out yet?
Give it a couple of years.
Definitely not in the military.
You are now free to move about your closet.
I called my doctor this morning about my 12 hour boner. He said 'too soon, come back in January'.
Bayh's not a Democrat. At best, he's a weak shadow of his father. Evan finally decided to stop going through the motions of living up to his memory and cash in. If he's ego gets the better of him, we'll hear about him testing the waters for some bullshit third-party presidential run.
Well at least Rand will now dismantle those FEMA camps I have been hearing so much about.
The horror…the horror…
It seems like the official liberal reaction to the election is masturbation, judging by the comments here. I'm not sure how that differs from liberal policy, but here's hoping you all go blind. That way, you won't see the ass whuppin coming your way in 2012! Feel free to spank 'em 'till they bleed! BWAHAHA!
Sweetheart, you actually need a candidate to win an election.
What, Mittens "Massachusetts HealthCare™ " Romney and Sarah "Half Term" Palin aren't spanking givers? Of all the Republicans I'd let spank me it'd be those two.
Right back at ya. What you have is not an incumbent…what you have is a big Commie LIABILITY. Good luck with that.
Dad?
If I were your daddy, you wouldn't be alive now.
You know what, if in two years this country does really turn around for the better, then you'll have earned it. I seriously hope, for the sake of myself and my family, that the policies that will come out of the next two years will be good for working people. I fear that they will only be good for those who are already millionaires.
You want to be all cartoonish, but the fact is I'd LOVE to see the budget balanced and waste cut. Where is it going to be cut? I seriously haven't heard a single elected official *specifically* name something to cut, other than the stock answer of "the budget".
I'm really sick of the trolling, and God knows I've done my fair share of it. What I want to hear is some specifics, instead of more "my side sucks / no, YOUR side sucks" screaming.
snark off/
Word. ITA. Amen etc etc etc.
I am really, really, discouraged, not as much as I am about election results as I am about realization that our political system has become a spectator sport, winner take all, game. But we're playing with people's LIVES. Jesus Christ. I am so sick of the trolling and the name calling, and the ignorance, and the constant manipulation by the media.
Last night wasn't much different than Monday Night Football. The team that was better coached won. Isn't that pathetic?
You can say America is "center/right" all you want. But if you were to ask Americans individual questions about liberal progressive issues they would agree with them. What America is is spoiled, petulant and greedy. Everyone wants their piece of the pie, but doesn't want to pay for it. And God-fucking-forbid someone <s>brown,black,poor,</s>"underserving" get some of that pie, because they didn't pay for it either!
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.
"The surest way to reduce poverty is to make people uncomfortable in their poverty"
Benjamin Franklin – This from one of the most charitable men to ever have graced this fair land!
citizen: "What kind of government have you given us?"
Franklin: "A Republic…if you can keep it."
Now you Democrats know how we look at the situation. YOUR president calls us "enemies". So be it! War has been declared and the battle has been joined. Stand and lose or run and hide. It's on like Donkey Kong.
"The surest way to reduce poverty is to make people uncomfortable in their poverty"
He was and is an extremely wise man. But his statement seems to be rooted in the idea that anybody can make their way out of poverty through determination and sheer force of will. I don't believe this to be the case. I did, once, but life has taught me that the world isn't fair, and that some people will end up rich and powerful though they are evil idiots, and others will remain destitute and stepped upon despite being kind and brilliant.
You are on the side of the folk who wanted our President to fail and thus our country. You are on the side whose policies will collapse our economy because you sent yahoos with no credentials to Washington to make complex decisions.
Our Founding Fathers would call you and your ilk the Tyranny of the Majority. They would not look upon you very kindly as you obviously have not studied their documents including the Constitution. An uneducated revolution is just mob rule.
I read your comment and I could hear in my head was Ozzy Osbourne calling us all aboard for a ride on the crazy train.
You are the enemy, you are the enemy of anything good and just, of anything colour-blind, of anything that strives to make the world a kinder more fair place for everyone, the enemy of women, minorities and the poor. I am proud to call you my enemy.
Amen.
You, sir (and I use that term loosely) are assuming that Boner and gang can LEAD. All I have seen him do is polish corporate turds, and hand out lobby/PAC checks. That is not leadership. The big momentum was against the incumbents and now that is YOUR party. Pendulums keep swinging, its physics. 2012 is not going to be the happy sexy time at the polls you are dreaming it will be. Who is going to run? Sarah? She will be O'Donnell 2 electric boogaloo. Haley Barber? He is too much of a fat bubba. Who else ya got? Mittens Romney? Mormon= too weird for most people. Who else?
Purple-assed baboons are polling higher than Obama right now. I'm confident that whoever we put up will win in a walk…and that includes Palin.
Can you say "Jimmie Carter"? Can you say "Stag-flation"? Living in denial will not protect you from the losses headed your way once again.
Purple-assed baboons have 45-50% approval? Huh.
And you're proud of 45%? Also, it's more like 38% but I'm used to you guys lying out your asses so we won't quibble over details.
Number 1. You're wrong, and I think you just back-handed-ly called the POTUS a purple assed baboon.
Number 2. RIGHT NOW, you said. the election isn't RIGHT NOW. In 2 years a lot can change, as we just saw. With the boner and his tea-bag freakshow running the house, we will see how the republicans poll in 2 year when the honeymoon is over.
But they're not racists. Right.
Funny. I thought Palin and O'Donnel's only qualifications were inspiring Rs to rub themselves raw. After their wives turned them down for sex. Again.
Obama has already done enough to earn re-election in '12. But please go ahead and run on the idea of eradicating (that means "get rid of") Social Security. It'll make the ass-kicking McCain took seem like a back-rub.
…said the resource-sucking loser. Get a job, a clue and a life…preferably in Tijuana or Havanna, but Bejing would work too.
If the election were held today, Sarah Palin would win it in a walk.
Resource-sucking loser? For your information it is the blue states who do the heavy lifting when it comes to taxes. We pay more taxes, we create more innovation, hold the most patents, have higher education than those red states. Blue states have been financing the running of the country without complaint, while red states use those benefits while bellyaching about taxes. Blue states bring wealth to our country while not hardly getting anything back. We are not the resource suckers, but red-staters are.
Don't mind him. He's still raw on his secret Palin-spot.
Either that, or on some level he realizes that Palin is clown shoes incarnate, the sad punchline to a Leno joke, and in thirty years she will be as memorable as Alexander Haig.
But I'm betting it's the first.
This is why I would actually be extremely interested to see a Fair Tax system go into effect in the country. I think the end result would be very, very different than what most people think would happen.
It's only considered Class Warfare when we fight back.
They are all virgins and obsessed with sex.
This is the type of woman the left has to offer…Who would want to screw this?……..
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Not even Bill does!
" Who would want to screw this?…….. "
These punks and punkettes here would love too.
I am not going to click on your Vitter porn. I really don't want to see some sick picture from RedState Trike Force of Linus and Lucy going at it.
BTW, if your type wasn't so scared of sex, maybe we could teach teenagers about condoms, thereby lowering the number of abortions. But then, you couldn't be a butt-in-ski telling everyone what to do with their naughty bits, could you?
My picture was a goofy one of Hillary Clinton. It's safe to click on, I promise. Any and all porn should be removed off of the internet. That's not freedom of speech, that's license to sin.
Those teens should be taught ONLY abstinence until marriage like God planned. They also should be focusing on their education and not on sex and dating. God will provide a mate for them when they are ready for marriage. He did for me and I've been happily married for 14 years. God is Good!
Here's another place where you oppose the Constitution! That is one ironic handle you have.
Abstinence Only WORKS! Ask Bristol.
Your God (which I must differentiate from Christianity's actual God, sorry nutbag) is a cartoon character.
Theocracy is GOOD for you!
Again, it has been proven that Abstinence Only education only delays out-of-wedlock sex for an average of 18 months. When they do start having sexual activity they are more likely to get pregnant or get and transmit STDs.
We know this because the Bush Administration funneled millions of dollars to school districts across the country. It took some embarrassing pregnancy clusters at high schools for districts to turn down the funding and go for more comprehensive sex ed.
Sex education is a matter of public health. When parents tell their children wait for marriage it does not work and it doesn't prepare them for safe sexual activity. Sex education came about because kids were learning about sex from their friends and misinformation led to a rise of pregnancy and STDs.
What are you? Eleven years old? Where was all your vitriol when your hero Reagan ballooned the deficit? Where was it when the fake war in Iraq was conjured up? Where were you when trillions of dollars sent to that Iraq folly on pallets 'went missing'?
(Good gawd, why am I wasting time on this idiot troll?)
I had a sudden outbreak of optimism in the power of constructive debate. I'm sick of both sides demonizing the other. I'm particularly sick of the idea that one side or the other "owns" America. But I'm just losing motivation here. It seems that some people just want hatred and violence all the time. They really, truly want Second Amendment Solutions. And now it's just making me sad. Conservative principles swept a huge number of people into power, and yet this isn't enough for some folks.
Some folks just want war. Some folks just NEED an enemy to hate. I think I'm just going to ignore the publicly and pity them privately now. Maybe I'll pray that God teaches them not to dehumanize entire segments of the population simply because they have different ideas on how to run the country. God knows I've done it too, and I'm ashamed of it. It can be such a guilty pleasure to hate. It's addictive, it's a narcotic, and thanks to the Internet, now we all have our own dealers to keep our supplies nice and stocked.
I'm just through with it.
At least the right-winger in the next thread up, while wrong, seemed interested in actual discussion rather than just throwing around insults.
264 replies? Yet only -30 pee pee? Teh Wonkett is not good at mathz.
Minnesota does it AGAIN. 43.7% Dayton 43.5% Emmer. We apparently need to hold our elections 9 months in advance in order to get the results in on time.
When do we get to see a vote on critical budget issues, like raising the national debt ceiling to keep things humming along like so many hoveround power scooters? Time for the newly elected teabaggers to finally answer some of the questions they avoided during the campaign season.
This is going to be the interesting part. Frankly, I almost wish there had been more of a Republican landslide, because I don't want a single cry of Democratic opposition to get in the way. I just want to see movement of SOME kind. I don't think that's going to happen, because sitting on one's hands and screaming about how the other party is to blame for gridlock makes it far easier to keep one's office. Actual results require risk.
This last weekend, Monica Crowley firmly stated there will be a repeal of the entire Health Care Reform Bill. When it was pointed out that it takes 3/4 majority to override a Presidential Veto, she just changed her story to "The Republicans will wait until there is a Republican President."
Really? She honestly believes that the monster that the Republiklan Party created is going to wait another six years?
The Republiklan/Tea Bagger Party is going to destroy itself from within in the next two years when our entire government comes to a screeching halt.
I started chugging the rum at Rick Perry-is-still-my-fucking-governor o'clock and passed out at half after when-did-Jerry Brown-get-so-old? thirty. Today I've got a hangover and Rick Perry is still my fucking governor.
I need more rum.
How do you get 0p? That's some sort of nirvana, perfectly balancing the rational and troll to make nothingness.
I have no freaking idea. I think it's because I rarely comment because I'm just not funny and when I do, I screw it up so badly, the Wonketteers spank me in the bad way.
Well, time for Ken Starr to dust off his 'vestigatin' briefcase.
Bring on the subpoenas!!!!
Haha, I thought the same thing this morning. It's IMPEACHIN' TIME!
Issa me, Darrell!
(Yes, I know he's not Italian.)
Just look on the bright side; at least this isn't as election hangover day 2004, having to face another four years of the simpering war-mongering torturing Constitution-hating moron.
It is essential to remember that we did survive the Bush years, scarred though we may be.
Unless of course we're one of thousands of American soldiers, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan civilians, or a drowned resident of New Orleans.
Thanks for correcting the omission, which was left out for brevity's sake.
Obama the warmonger still hast troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Gitmo is STILL open.
Obama renewed the Patriot Act.
All true. He's been WAY too right-wing.
Yeah, you should love him for that.
Obama the Warmonger–HA HA HA HA HA
You're an idiot.
And Dumbya and Dick Cheney are still walking around free. Dennis Kucinich/Cindy Sheehan 2012!
I've been in my sofa cushion fort for the past week but feel oddly OK due to the star freaks' losses. Had Angle/CO'D et al won, I would have to add the ottoman and some brainwash wave-blocking foil for the roof.
Our country is at a turning point, some will think that it is for the better while other will think that it is for the worst. My question is what are all of the American citizens going to do to improve our economy, create jobs, and return America to the greatness it once had?
You're asking this crowd of Cheetos-munching masturbaters to actually DO something? They couldn't even find their way to the polls! Or perhaps they did and there just aren't enough of them to matter.
Yeah! These guys think our social security will be fine for 30 years. LOL
Hmmm, I am referred to as a criminal and lazy and all manner of things.
Funny, I have been working for 30 plus years, have no debt, and am a law abiding citizen. I have voted since I was 18. I have respect for the flag, I pay my taxes and understand that we all benefit from that and don't whine about it or try to get out of it like some pussy.
I just happen to have disdain for incompetent governance (Bush II), arrogance (Bush II cabinet), meanspiritedness (Bush II, Bush I, Reagan, Nixon), evil (Cheney, Rumsfeld), pure idiocy (teabaggers and their platform that even they can't explain, Bush II). I could go on.
But I'll end it, I've work to do.
Oh, BTW–go shit in your hat, troll-people. Go back to Redstate for your circle jerk.
All that you have listed ca be applied to the current administration also. Like you Have voted for many years, paid my taxes regardless of the amount, have little debt, and am a law abiding citizen.
Why is ti that only fed govt can help the poor? Why is it only fed govt needs to provide health care? Why is it the fed govt choosing which businesses should get bail outs and which don't? Why do people believe that the fed govt knows best how to spend the tax money collected? Why is it mostly people that are well to do that are able to run for the elected seats?
How about helping explain these questions and just maybe we might agree.
You're right. The government needs to get out of the weapon manufacturing/procurement business. I don't want my tax dollars spent on that stuff anymore.
Ok I do not want my tax dollars just given away to any one who has made bad decisions financially
Skin by Orangina, Tears by Glenn Beck . . .
Crying libtards courtesy of the DNC, SEIU, ACORN, and George SoreAss. Better toughen up, punk. the worst (for you) is yet to come!
So you think things are going to get a lot worse now that Republicans are in charge? Thanks for your input there.
Wow, is this the first time you've been on "the winning team"? Because you sure seem to have a lot of desire to gloat, and fantasize about punishing … almost seems like … you know, are you really sure you've won anything??
Anyway, that's nice, winning, and all.
I just wonder, how much sublimating of these feelings must you do during every moment of your normal daily life, that make it feel like this trolly-gloating is a worthwhile counterbalancing activity for you?
Kurt Vonnegut figured that one out–"door-hinge"
Not sure at this point why Wags posted that shit about Italian political parties and Iranian missile deals gone south.
Try reading the Constitution, dumbass; just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's unconstitutional. What do you allege Social Security violates? Oh, and words have meaning; "COMMUNIST!" doesn't actually mean any politician you don't like, it's actually a certain specific viewpoint, but go on and keep defaming the man who was by far the greatest President of the 20th Century, with no one else even coming close.
Social Security is BROKE because of Clinton who put an IOU in there. No one will be getting a check very soon.
No, it's perfectly solvent for at the very least the next 30 years; but thanks for the assertion pulled straight out of your ass!
Prove it!
Have I broken into your house, spouted off some utter nonsense, then demanded you prove it? No. The burden of proof is on you, idiot.
Try comprehending the Constitution. I know it's tough for an idiot like yourself.
"What do you allege Social Security violates?"
By forcibly stealing my income and denying me the opportunities that lost income represents, it violates my inalienable Right to the Pursuit of Happiness.
Perhaps you flaming liberals are content with scraps from your master's table (scraps stolen from me and other useful members of society), but I am not.
"COMMUNIST!" doesn't actually mean any politician you don't like,"
I didn't call FDR a Commie…I called him a Commie sympathizer. He was a pinko. YOU are a Commie.
Oh, I comprehend the Constitution very much, thank you. But you apparently do not, since you can't name what part of the Constitution you believe Social Security violates, just give that idiotic Randian "Taxes is theft!!! I don't wannna have top pay for anything!!! Wah wah wah gimmie my binkie!!" bullshit.
Oh, and by the way:
Article 1, Section 8 – The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Amendment 16 – The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
"Article 1, Section 8 -"
I guess we'll just have to change Congress then…oh, wait…we just DID that! Congratulations, you just became irrelevant!
Even the craziest teabagger in Congress probably knows that proposing to eliminate Social Security would be political suicide.
Hey I hear Somalia is lovely in November. You get to keep every penny you make and live in a country where everyone is pretty much expected to do for themselves without gubmint involvement; or the pooling of resources for the greater good. You don't have to contribute to someone else's child's basic education, or roads and bridges that you could do without, or a safe drinking water supply for your community; much less those totally useless services like libraries or healthcare and a moderate standard of living for senior citizens/retirees. Seriously, you should check it out. I think you'd like it there, from the standpoint that it offers an extremely limited government, and everyone who works gets to use their earnings as they see fit to a factor approaching 100 percent.
Thanks to you libtards, we'll have Somalia right here at home. At least I've planned for it and will survive it. More than I can say for you sniveling Commie wannabe's. I'll enjoy watching the vilest among you starve to death just like Joe Stalin watched his people starve for the good of Mother Russia, or like Mao…at least we won't be butchering you in the streets like Che. Or will it eventually come to that as well?
All you liberals are soft, weak and witless. You couldn't survive unless better people than yourselves helped you. I'd survive in Somalia, and I'll survive right here. You, on the other hand….well…good luck with that! ;O)
And here I thought liberals referring to conservatives as "fascist" was normally overblown, but here one is, actually advocating murder of those he disagrees with. You must be a real fun guy!
Again it is the Blue states that have been propping up your sorry red state asses with our tax dollars, innovation, technology, and creativity. California despite its budget problems is the 8th largest economy in the WORLD. We are hardly communists, but our leadership in innovation helps capitalism be more productive and competitive around the world. Our state is also an agricultural mecca and is a leader in entertainment. We are also becoming leaders in Biotech. These are facts.
We will do okay because we have educated people. Unemployment isn't that bad if you have a college education. We have the ability start our own businesses because we actually have talents, skills, and the creativity to share with private sector. Blue states work hard in fast paced and exciting region that draws educated people all over the world .
The rest of the country may go the way of Somalia. Red State folk mistake bluster and violence for courage and strength. You guys are willing to destroy and pollute your backyards in the mistaken belief that your pro-capitalism. When you start hurting from your decisions to let corporations pollute you come crying to Blue State''s tax revenue for bailouts. We actually come to your aid because we are good people who value human life and have the imagination to have compassion and empathy for our fellow human beings. You…not so much.
Your post reveals your embarrassing ignorance and lack of compassion. You sir, can suck Truck Nutz.
Actually, I am old enough to have known people who went through the Great Depression and studied it a great deal. Things were so bad that people were meeting across the country at communist party gatherings. That is why during the McCarthy hearings you actually had people who knew people who went to communist meetings. FDR's programs were a way to take the wind from the communist movement in this country. FDR was hardly a commie sympathizer, he was from very old money.
The problem with your world view is you believe that there is a such a thing as a free lunch. It takes money to run a large country as ours. You have to pay your fair share. I am happy to pay taxes, because that means I am making money. If I don't make money, I pay no taxes. I believe that you pay your fair share to have a government there when there is a major disaster, epidemic, or terrorist attack. I like paying for the Coast Guard who everyday goes out and save people's lives. It takes money for law enforcement, a judicial system, immigration offices, or NOAA which tracks storms and saves lives. There is the US Geological Survey which tracks earthquakes and guides builders to make safer buildings. You gonna cut those things?
"FDR was hardly a commie sympathizer, he was from very old money."
Really? Then why did he ignore warnings and evidence that there were communist operatives within his own administration?
And what does money have to do with it? Do you honestly think there are no rich Communists?
I haven't seen any one of you libtards make a single suggestion of what spending cuts to make. Face it…you are the Party of Food Stamps and Unemployment.
Yes, Food Stamps and Unemployment Insurance are two of the great legacies the Democratic party can claim responsibility for. Thanks for the compliment!
Demagogues like Father Coughlin made a lot of claims of communism in the FDR administration, very much like today's demagogues claim Obama is socialist. The truth is that the American Communists were upset at the "humanist form of capitalism" of the FDR administration. The evidence clearly shows that FDR was against communism and saw his programs as undermining the communist movement in the US.
A rational mind would see that if you are ultra rich property owner who holds investments in stocks and bonds like the Roosevelts did, you are vested in the capitalist system. A mind capable of grasping nuance would know that fighting for regulation of capitalism is not communism.
By the way, the modern welfare system was a product of the Nixon Administration.
Oh joy! Let's bring back the days of Joe McCarthy. That worked out well for the Republiklan Party the last time.
How about cutting the 1.3 trillion dollar defense budget? Can we agree to start there?
My grandmother had to drop out of school when she was 14 after the Depression started, and went back to college in her late 60s to get a degree. This was during the Reagan years. She liked to tell how, in one history class, one guy got up and started spouting the right-wing bullshit claiming that FDR didn't really end the Depression, and she went off on the ass, telling him exactly what it was really like back then and how much better it got after he got the New Deal going.
I just love second hand stories from degenerate Bolshevik families! The only two Presidents lower than FDR are Woodrow Wilson and Barrak (the Cossack) Obama. Jimmah Cahta barely merits an "honorable" mention.
Did your grandma attend the little red church too?
Not to diminish the brilliance of Thomas Jefferson or anything, but the "right to pursuit of happiness" is a rhetorical device in the Declaration of Independence, not part of the Constitution–it does not have the force of law.
Gifts bestowed by God Almighty are beyond the authority of Man…hence the term "inalienable"…just as it is beyond your feeble attempts to warp the intent of Jefferson's words. Now THAT was a tight circle! SWEET!
So now you're invoking imaginary beings to justify your bullshit. Got it.
Man, that's a great point- mainly because it's not as though the very next clause reads,
Because, I mean, it would kinda make you look like a shithead, if governments were explicitly called out as a product of man intended to secure these "inalienable" rights- at very least, it would prove that you're using an idiotic and false understanding of what "inalienable" means.
Spend much time thinking about sweet tight circles?
By forcibly stealing my income and denying me the opportunities that lost income represents, it violates my inalienable Right to the Pursuit of Happiness.
Hahahahaha: Wrong document, teatard. It's funny how despite all the professed love of the Constitution, you guys can't tell it from your own assholes.
It's the preamble to the Declaration of Independence, idiot. It is THE REASON for the Constitution. Did they not teach you that in grade school? If you weren't so confused by your own sexuality, you might have made the connection. Stupidity like yours is the reason we've come to this pass to begin with. Liberals are the only thing that is actually LESS than the sum of its parts. Thank you for being their poster-child!
I could play the wingnut game of asking you where in the Constitution the phrase "Pursuit of Happiness" appears, if it's such a central concept, but that was boring even before your girlfriend Xtine did it.
Instead, I'll go with a novel approach, and play along: okay, so ignoring the fact that they tried a different governing document which failed miserably before coming up with the Constitution, so clearly there were a few lessons learned and it wasn't exactly an unbroken line between the two, let's say you're right, just for the sake of argument:
You don't happen to know what the next couple of sentences after "Pursuit of Happiness" is in the Declaration, do you?
wait, what do I care whether you do or not. It's:
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
If one were reading for comprehension , one would note that the message of these subsequent lines seems suggestive that Jefferson, much like Locke before him, understood that government is always an act of compromise between multiple individuals competing interests of Safety and Happiness, and that it's impossible for a government to give everyone everything they want all the time. It would be crazy (i.e, not 'prudent') to want to overthrow the government just because you pay taxes(have your Happiness abridged, though Locke had some interesting thoughts about unlimited accumulation of wealth, it ends up) that contribute to the general welfare (Safety), in other words.
"Inalienable", therefore, must mean something different from what you claimed it does, no?
" What the fuck does orange rhyme with? "
I know criminals jump suit is orange. Comes in your size too.
How do the criminals jump a suit?
Not in Arizona, they aren't.
Ha Ha That's so funny I forgot to laugh. (snort)
No, yesterday would be the Inaugural GF&B. Next year will be the First Annual.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for kneeling before boners, but Weeping Johnny there is just a bridge too far. On the bright side, I look forward to all the talking people on the teevee trying to say Bayner and having it come out Boner instead.
I read that Michelle Bachmann is going to take a run at claiming House leadership. I think we should do everything we canto make this happen.
My tongue is punch drunk.
Good luck on that because you will have the AARP on your party so quickly. You would steal from old people who paid into the system and lost everything in the market and pensions, but let the ultrarich have their tax breaks? You are talking about my dad who defended our country in Korea.
You talk like someone who didn't study what a real depression is. We almost got there, but the Obama administration pulled us from the abyss. Maybe what you need is to get what you wish for and learn what a soul crushing depression is — where you are reduced to being a sunken eyed hobo. You who decry all government help would squeal in pain and get angry that government isn't doing enough to help. You guys are all talk because you are spoiled and do not know what real poverty is.
None of your heroes have said that they are interested in cutting social security, medicare, the military, and all the big ticket items in our budget. They talk in generalities because they have no idea what they are going to do. They are just making things up as they go along, but they have no expertise to bring to the table and certainly do not understand the consequences of the cuts they make. Every cut you make creates potentially more costly consequences.
Do you want government to stop making sure transportation is safe? Do you want government to stop testing the safety of your food or drugs? How about cutting infrastructure to our roads and bridges? Why don't we cut scientific research that has helped private industry innovate? How about we cut the FAA, because we can trust the airlines to make sure all their systems are up to date and safe, right? The problem with your movement is that you take for granted all the programs that keep us safe. The whole entire reason these programs exist is because private sector and citizens have no time nor expertise, not desire to do the work. All your cuts will add more and more people to the unemployment lines to compete with all the unemployed now.
If you have studied the constitution you would realize there is nothing in that document that prohibits social security.
The only good news is that there will be lots to read in Wonkette now. How long till the first sex scandal?
Was it just me…or did Boehner sound bot gay and ddrunk last night…must have been hanging with Larry Craig.
Okay, abolishing social security. I'm not sure I'd consider that a "sacrifice" — more of an overall policy shift — but okay. Whether people agree or disagree with this, it's a specific, and I thank you for it. What else? Are you a proponent of the FairTax? I've seen arguments both for and against it. Or do you believe all forms of taxes are technically "theft of income?"
I'm dead serious here. I don't want name calling, I don't want trolling, I am altogether sick of all that. I want to understand where the differences in arguments are coming from.
I favor a flat tax over the "Fair Tax", but the concept IS sound.
"do you believe all forms of taxes are technically "theft of income?"
I do not. Neither do I believe that a tyrannical central government should have unlimited power to redistribute wealth at it's whim. You can not, as an American, be OK with the Federal Government taking control of the means of production in this country. If you are, then you are a Communist and my sworn enemy. I will fight you to my dying breath.
A flat tax as in a flat percentage of sales, I assume. (I actually know somebody who believes in a flat COST tax — like some sort of "America membership fee".) But doesn't this disproportionately impact those who make less money, since the percentage of money spent decreases as income rises? My understanding is that the Fair Tax plan attempts to alleviate that with tax credits up to a certain amount. I mean, really, should the government be taxing the food and shelter that people need to simply survive?
I agree, by the way, that I would absolutely not be okay with the federal government controlling all means of production — just as I'm not okay with any one company (or cabal of companies) dominating a particular market or service and maintaining that control via anti-competitive practices. In some ways, these companies scare me MORE, because they're worldwide, and not beholden to any one country's laws.
Yes we can; Franken's still there.
And Lieberman's still…oh, right.
At least California is still all liberal an' shit. I knew there was a reason I moved here from Kentucky.
Save it. You guys couldn't even legalize marijuana.
Supporters were too stoned to go vote.
I volunteer at my son's school to make up for all the cuts that have been made in school. I give up income to do so, because not enough Americans care about education. I vote to raise my taxes and fees to make sure our parks, libraries, school programs, infrastructure, and other programs up and running.
Your movement is entirely bogus, since all of you didn't care when Bush doubled the debt by just throwing away billions to his buddies. When experts said that his tax cuts would lead to deficits you guys cheered Bush on. Now that a democratic black man is president, you just blame him. You have elected people who want to explode the debt even further by keeping the budget busting tax cuts going for the ultra rich. Your movement is not about the everyman, it is about protecting the fat cats who have been manipulating your anger to their advantage. The transfer of wealth to the top 1% has been happening since the Nixon administration, but you all have been asleep at the wheel fancying yourselves as potential entrepreneurs when really, if you are lucky, you will be workers. They have been able to convince you to vote against your own interest for years. I am not sure you should be very proud of yourself when you are a chump, a minion of the ultra rich.
Thank you for your detailed rebuttals of the trollholes, MarinMaven…I haven't got the patience today, but you're doing great!
HEY LIBERALS! While you're "Kneeling Before Our New Orange Overlord", feel free do do what comes naturally to your kind! Don't get any on your chins!
Liberals have sex with people they find attractive, not someone that they think will further their career. Except for that one time. I mean she was the hiring manager and she had an OK body….
Tell it to the liberal attached to my penis by her mouth!
Wow, that is so so so clever! What wit!
Why do I suspect the only female that would ever be attached to your junk is made of polypropelene?
You know, I think it's time for Obama to take a page from Sarah Palin (and/or Steve Martin's guest character on the Simpsons)
"I'm out of here and so is Joe. Good luck with President Boehner. You people are so screwed."
Evan Bayh, that cuntish peddler of the erroneous "conventional wisdom".
By compromising on every issue, in trying to placate the most aggressive members of the opposition while not mercilessly beating the traitors in his own camp, in attacking his once solid base, Obama allowed into the debate people who would never ever work with him. He worked diligently to pass Republican legislation that not even the Republicans will take credit for, legislation that NO ONE really liked, so…
Welcome to having a big orange Boehner in your mouth, America.
So no. Not "too progressive". "Not progressive enough". Evan Cunt.
Well, that would do for the parlor fee, But a bill makes a better template for the tattoo, as it allows for strategic placement of St Ronnie's puckered craw.
There's one thing I'm definitely sure of: if the remaining Democrats decide to use the filibuster now as much as the Republicans did the past two years, I'll vote them out in 2012 myself. Damned filibuster needs to be modified or eliminated completely. "Non-specific holds," too. When either party uses it, it's the worst kind of gamesmanship and abuse of rules.
Or maybe we should just go ahead and have a flat out auction for Congressional seats. Instead of the Senator from Wal-Mart (Blanche Lincoln) we could have the Wal-Mart Senator. And the Exxon Senator, etc. That would create a nice little circle-jerk of money going into the government and then going right out again to the same companies.
This isn't already happening? We just got a TON of NewsCorp representatives elected…
I say cut out the middle man. The bonus to that plan is that we don't have to have all this election crap. Put the power where it belongs – with the people (corporations) who have money.
I thought that's what the SCOTUS ruling on corporations having the same First Amendment Rights as individuals was all about?
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"It's Bush's fault"? That's what you've got? Seriously? You've had control of both Houses of Congress for 4 years and total control for the last 2 years and you're still blaming Bush?
Go back to masturbating…it's more effective!
A Socialist is just a Commie waiting to happen. Just because you don't recognize what you are doesn't mean the rest of us don't. you're a bunch of Commies.
I know your side isn't big on personal responsibility. Bush has only been out of office 2 years ago and he did such a terrible job that we may be living with the consequences of his actions for a decade or more.
You lose all your credibility when you give Bush and the republicans a pass. Obama and many of the conservative dems came to power trying to work and compromise with republicans. That was their worst mistake trusting that your side had learned their lesson and wanted what was best for our country. All you guys care about is reckless power and no personal responsibility. You will be blaming others for your mistakes ad nauseum.
"You lose all your credibility when you give Bush and the republicans a pass."
I'm not giving ANYONE a pass. I just don't feel the need to lie out my ass like you do.
Now, you explain how taking a bad situation and making it 400% WORSE is going to improve our situation and you'll have won this debate. There's only one problem…YOU CAN'T!
You're the one with ZERO credibility here, KoolAid drinker.
State how Obama made it 400% worse. I am absolutely certain if Obama spent NO MONEY at all, you folks would be crying about Obamavilles and how he doesn't feel your pain. You guys would not be able to handle a lack of safety net or you wouldn't last a second in a real economic downturn.
He had to spend money to keep the economy from collapse. He stopped the freefall. You would be trading sex for hobo beans without Obama.
He increased the size of our debt by 400% all by himself. That was AFTER Bush. Obama and the Democrats are totally responsible for that.
You are a blind retarded fool if you think you've been saved from anything. You'll wait till it hits in 2011 and then try to blame the GOP for Obama's idiocy. It won't work. His signature is on the check.
"He had to spend money…" Idiot. Have you even taken a single economics course? I'm certain you flunked if you did.
What? It's not okay for the federal government to produce anything at all? If they are only one choice amongst several, what's wrong with that?
I actually haven't heard that parable, no, but I read it after you brought it up. It's a great example of the Slippery Slope fallacious argument.
No government control at all! I for one can't wait to see the job our privatized military does protecting the country.
I've been imagining a short story about a Free Market Military, where units wanting weapons, uniforms, communications and such would have to buy them themselves… The infantry would be relatively OK, but the Air Force and Navy would be screwed. I dunno, maybe they could sell advertising on the sides of the ships & planes…
So you'd be willing to stop having the social security tax taken out of your paycheck? That's not really the definition of sacrifice. Quite the opposite. If you need further assistance, consult a dictionary.
Riley turns up everywhere. He's starting to remind me of Evil Bert.
Please do! You should at least be evaluated by some committee of bureaucrats! Let them decide whether or not you are worth keeping alive! After all, it's for the "common good", isn't it?
We're ALL Socialists now, right?
That's right. We're all Muslins. Commie pinko Muslins with faked Birf Certificates. All born in Kenya. You've found us out. Very impressive.
I'm done playing with you, too boring.
I guess it's time to go back to playing with yourself. From what I've read here, that IS your specialty. You're just one more useless wanker we're going to have to step over on the way to power. NOT A PROBLEM!
"You couldn't affect my pee points, ergo you're no longer citizens."
What the fuck are you even talking about? Don't you have a social security check to pick up?
Is that the going price for the rampant ignorance she showed today? My God! The economy IS SAVED!!!!
Does Boner's socialized medicine pay for his hundreds of trips to the tanning booth? What an enormous pussy that clown is.
I had some jackass from high school post on Facebook that Obama had played more golf than any President in history. I immediately recognized that this will be the coordinated attack throughout the holiday season to prevent people from looking into Boner's amazing addiction to golf once January rolls around and it's showtime once again.
I had a head cold today and so I had time to play with you.
Wow! You were helpless to get out from under our thumbs. What does that say about you? You couldn't detangle yourself from us losers.
What point do you think you have won? Do you think we give out prizes?
Ghilly suit and all that hawt talk of wanting us to die. That is kinda creepy. Is that how you would like to come off? Did your mother raise you to treat people that way? Do you threaten people who you disagree with? Is that what teach your kids to do? When you threaten to come after someone with a Ghilly suit, you have lost your arguments, everyone of them.
Should I formally report you to law enforcement?
OK, in reviewing the comments, I'm gonna suggest that whichever of us is closest to the medicine cabinet reach VERY SLOWLY for the lithium. The rest of you, don't make eye contact with our guest. We got us a live one.
Lithium? Fuck that shit. Thorazine. Or the Haldol dart gun. Trust me. I'm a professional drug dealer.
As your attorney, I advise you to rent a very fast car with no top. And you'll need the cocaine.
For some reason this made me think of a Joe Walsh song.
Was Dr. Gonzo a Joe Walsh fan? Because that is the great Hunter S. Thompson speaking.
Ew. At first I thought he was threatening me, but now I think he is hitting on me. Ew. Like totally not my type — I am not into furries and ghilly suits are a subculture of the furry scene that I think the furries might raise eyebrows at.
As I said elsewhere, I am at least happy to report that there are peaceful uses for ghillie suits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJKythlXAIY
and I'm not looking in that thread anymore dammit. I've had three glasses of wine and a beer, and ranted on a NYT op-ed. It's 1:30 and I have to get kids to school. Kids that I carried and raised and didn't abort dammit.
I want these fucking trolls gone. If the new comment system doesn't allow this it is a travesty. This "Sanity" guy needs to be castrated so he doesn't breed. fuck fuck fuck.
Yeah; actually dealing with these assholes seriously and in depth has got to require superhuman patience.
Address is at the bottom.
I heard it was a dime.
So true. I met a guy who was working on his campaign, and he had that whole hot-until-he-opens-his-mouth-and-the-crazy-comes-out thing going on. After five minutes of talking to him about all of the reasons why he loves his boss, I felt assured that Toomey was far too insane to be electable. And now look what happened: Santorum v. 2.0.
Yeah, I went legit, got a grant from a Major Public University to do a research project on whether or not the starburst pattern of the human sphincter is unique to each individual, like fingerprints and retinas. Then it will be Doctor Flagass.
They are unique, except in the case of identical twins (of which I am one). Not that I checked.
major public university = Oral Roberts University?
Oh come one, you're not going to lob that softball to me, are you? OK.
No, Anal Roberts, of course.
Clinton's 3 Trillion Dollar raid on SS
http://www.freedomworks.org/publications/clinton%...
Where is the money going to come from? SS is in the RED. Look at the lower left hand corner.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
YOU are the KOOL aid drinking dumbass.
No…it's on you dumb ass. you made the statement, now back it up. The days of you libtards making up "facts" as you go along is OVER.
Because when it comes to facts you have none. Nice try! YOU LOSE!
You might try linking to a credible source, not freedomworks.
I noticed you glossed over the debt clock.
Freedomworks IS credible. Unlike your move on sorros commie sites.
PROVE that SS is solvent for 30 years.
Prove.
It.
You mean the kind of suicide the DNC just committed by forcing Communist policies down America's throat? How can you be sure we won't do the exact same thing in the other direction? that IS what the TPM is about. Government service is not about career, it's about enacting the will of the people. Fire all you want…we'll elect more! We outnumber you Commies…we always did. you just got a little nudge to remind you. We're going to shove you right out of the way in 2012 and far into the future. Possibly permanently. start looking for another country to ruin.
Toomey is even more conservative than former Sen. Frothy Mix, so we have that to look forward to.
I'll cut him a little slack. His side won last night, and now he's developed a case of performance anxiety resulting in impotence. The guy's lashing out to counterbalance the perceived loss of manliness.
It's YOUR side that has murdered 40 million babies in the womb since 1973. You murder innocent babies before they draw their first breath and deny them the "right to life" given to them in the Dec. of Independence.
Your abortion doctors must be real fun guys…or gals. I wonder, how many babies will die today — 3 or 4 thousand? There are around 1 million abortions performed a year – 48% of those are black babies. You racists hate black babies unless they become voters!
Murder is your word, not mine. I simply advocate letting Nature take its course. You're too stupid to keep yourself alive. I'd just be an innocent bystander enjoying the show.
It's the second one.
Communism actually has a meaning; learn it and only use it when appropriate. Considering that the Democratic Congress spent the past two years trying to enact the will of the people, only to see it blocked by the Senate filibuster or watered down by the Blue Dogs, I'm not sure I understand your point.
None! Abortion ends a pregnancy, and there's no such thing as a baby in the womb. I don't know if all abortion doctors are fun guys, but they are heroes, continuing to perform a very important and valuable service even with the threat of evil murderous right-wing terrorists they all face.
I know you are not old enough to remember what our country was like when abortion was illegal. Criminalizing abortion did not stop abortions. Women died.
I was tabling once for reproductive rights in the early 1990s. This republican in his sixties came up to our table and said that he was more for reproductive rights than any of us. For a moment we were dubious, then he told us that his mother died of a botched abortion. He then went to the large postcard going to GHW Bush in support of reproductive rights. I constantly was approached by a couple of generations of older people thanking me because they remember how bad it was before Roe.
Reproductive rights protect women who want to keep a pregnancy as much as those who don't. A nation that can criminalize abortion can also make it mandatory, since the underlying assumption is women have no sovereignty over their bodies.
Roe vs. Wade was decided by a republican appointee, Justice Blackmun.
Baby killers.
http://www.100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Baby_P...
YOUR hands will be covered in BLOOD when God throws you sorry unregenerate butt into an everlasting Hell. Good luck with that …..Oh, and say hello to the murderous drunk Teddy Kennedy.
Hear their screams?
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortioni...
Yeah. Those baby parts are sure valuable aren't they…..
http://www.mttu.com/abort-pics/
…said the eugenics worshiper. Too bad your mother didn't abort you. I guess you got your evil from your father.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO PROVE THAT SS IS SOLVENT FOR 30 YEARS……..
Sorry, but I'm not afraid of you imaginary friend or threats of punishment in the imaginary afterlife.
If heaven is gonna be like Branson, Missouri with all-you-can-eat buffets and twangy country music and good clean fun like games of horseshoes, can I please get in the line headed somewhere else? See? Your heaven would be my hell, you hay gnawing, sister fucking, overall-wearing, grammar school dropping retard.
Did you take a close look at the baby brains?
Where is your proof that SS is solvent?
What's the matter, too scared to look at the babies cut up into parts? I'll bet you can't even look at the handy work of your partial birth abortion doctors. Make sure you enlarge it and look closely.
You DO have a religion and abortion is your sacrament.
"You are on the side of the folk who wanted our President to fail and thus our country."
YOUR president's POLICY AGENDA is what will destroy "our" country.
"You are on the side whose policies will collapse our economy"
Wrong. The economy has already collapsed. YOUR administration has hidden that from you by stealing the futures of OUR children and grandchildren to keep it limping along another election cycle (and they failed at that too!).
"Our Founding Fathers would call you and your ilk the Tyranny of the Majority."
Thank you for admitting you're in the minority! Now, in the words of Nancy Pelosi and Obama, "We WON! Now, go sit in the back of the bus."
"An uneducated revolution is just mob rule. "
That's funny! you obviously hold yourself in too high a regard. You're NOT that smart, and it's obvious to every Patriot in America.
There's your damned problem right there! If you love America, then WE are on the SAME SIDE. You just need educated to be able to realize it. You've bought into the DNC's "us against them" meme.
"WE" are not the "THEM" you are looking for. "THEM" are the assholes you keep voting for! WAKE THE FUCK UP!
Nope, sorry but you are the troll and the one who made a completely wrong assertion, so you don't get to demand proof; to do so would be treating you as credible, which would be wrong.
Fun fact: while there is no such thing as a partial birth abortion, the procedure the forced birth movement gives that name, intact dilation and extraction, like all late abortions, is only used in cases where a pregnancy threats to kill or seriously harm a women.
Why do you want women to die?
Are you a woman? If so, you are a disgrace to the rest of us, if not , fuck off and don't come back until you have a vagina and can actually comprehend what it is like to be pregnant and have no safety net.
The screams of the woman-hating forced birth assholes? I sometimes walk by a planned parenthood clinic on my way home, you yes I've heard the screams of those evil cretins before.
It's ironic that you've used the term "murderer" in support of a movement that includes and supports actual, real-life murderers.
Why do you support the terrorists?
Ha!
YOU CAN'T PROVE IT!
YOU are the one pulling numbers out of your big butt.
Jesus said,"…the poor will be with you always." No one will ever eliminate poverty.
"…anybody can make their way out of poverty through determination and sheer force of will."
They COULD IF Government would get out of the way and allow it! But that doesn't dovetail with their/your agenda.
"some people will end up rich and powerful though they are evil idiots, and others will remain destitute and stepped upon despite being kind and brilliant "
This is an obvious fact of life. I'm curious. How does that make you feel? Personally, I'm OK with it, per se. Would you like to know more?
Did you look at the pics?
Too Chicken?
When Buzz Aldrin was approached by a conspiracy theorist moron who told him to prove he was actually on the moon, he rightly punched the asshole in the face.
You're already invading this place with your noxious trollery, you don't get to demand proof. Now fuck off, tedious asshole.
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/data-bytes/social-s...
This was the CBO under the Bush Administration. I have no idea how accurate the source is, or if you consider them as liberal and therefore biased, or whatever.
You guys are the majority of those who voted and you may also be the majority FOR NOW. The swing voters are very, very fickle and change their minds at a drop of the hat.
Our economy has not collapsed, you wouldn't know economic collapse if it kicked you in the nutsacks. Stop bringing the children into this. I am a mom and work very hard for the sake of kids, so you are absurd when you suggest that my politics hurts kids. Republicans and Teabaggers don't care about their kids or grandchildren. They are not out there supporting our schools. They are not pro-education. Your side has been undermining science education and throwing millions away on failed abstinence only education. Your side wants to cut music, arts that have been proven to help in keeping kids in school and better scores in math.
Your side would deny preventative healthcare for kids and cut welfare which would mostly impact kids because they are the bulk of the recipients. You care less about kids.
You would cut the EPA which would effect the type of environment (ie. water, air, soil) that we hand to our kids and grandkids.
Your side has shown over and over again you would sell your kids and grandkids down the river to help your own personal comfort.
What "Every Patriot in America" thinks about me is moot, because looking at the people you and the so-called "patriots" decided to send into power indicates that these "patriots" lack any discernment, grasp of issues, or any rational thought. Patriots don't tell any American citizen to sit in the back of the bus, regardless of what hallucinated about Pelosi and Obama. They gave your guys the chance to work with them and repair your sides' reckless and incompetent reputation but your side decided to give our country the finger.
Or the screams of children being raped by priests?
She should get her tubes tied if she can't keep her legs closed.
Better yet, don't have sex until you are married like God planned. Abstinence works 100% of the time.
I did look at the pictures, and yes, they're horribly sad. This does not change the question: in cases such as these, would it be better to let the baby live and the mother die?
I've seen real life evil forced birthers like you holding those pictures up; not only are they disingenuous, since they use images from rare late term abortions, only performed for health reasons, but like with PETA's similar slaughterhouse images, it's ridiculous to think someone's going to change their minds on an important issue just because a picture looks kind of gross.
Sorry, but I'm not going to start hating women like you just because I look at a few images.
Do you have the balls to say the things you are saying to a grief-striken couple who badly wanted a child only to have a failed pregnancy? Go ahead add to their grief. Tell that husband his wife's life doesn't matter. Do you have the balls to tell a grief-stricken mother to carry a fetus with its heart in the wrong place and fins for appendages who will die a agonizing death upon birth so your God will be appeased? You are not qualified to judge these people.
For your information pregnancy still has the potential to kill women especially when things go terribly wrong. If I didn't have access to health care and top of the line super antibiotics I would have died infection and complications of birth while my son was perfectly healthy.
I have seen all kinds of pictures, darling. I used to escort people to family planning clinics because I believe that not having health insurance and having to have ob/gyn services at a clinic shouldn't violate ones privacy. I was always very polite to the prolifers and saved their bacon when a husband wanted to beat them up for telling their seven year old daughter that her pregnant mommy coming in for prenatal care was a murderer. I also watched while a leader of the local prolife group locked himself in the van and locked up the 911 line keeping emergency calls from coming through.
Facts have a liberal bias, as usual.
In most cases, it would actually be both die.
Sorry Comrade! I didn't realize I'd offend your delicate Commie sensibilities by calling you what you actually are…a whining little Commie.
So if I lost my job due to layoffs, lost the house and the cars, couldn't afford new clothes, couldn't afford the medication I require, and could barely afford to eat, I'd be able to pull myself out of it if I worked hard enough. I'm sorry, I just don't see how that could be true. I might be able to find work part-time at minimum wage, but that's hardly going to cover food, much less medicine and shelter. Without clean clothes and a reliable source of showers there's no way to get a professional position of any kind. And none of this takes into account the fact that, without a car, transportation to these jobs is utterly out of the question.
I believe in personal responsibility. I believe in the value of honest work. But I don't believe that realistically any person in America can "pull himself up by his bootstraps" without SOME help.
And seriously, don't pull the whole "their/your" bit. I've really been enjoying this exchange; can we not spoil it with name-calling?
BTW, really great Gospel-mutilation there. I've never seen the one partial verse from the woman and the perfume so remarkably distilled of its context and meaning and used then to claim that we should shit on the poor.
Of course, if you actually were a Christian, rather than a pale, insulting, imitation of the same, you'd be aware that that particular phrase, "The poor you will always have with you" is also a call back to Deuteronomy, specifically:
The passage you butchered is actually Jesus drawing a specific parallel between our charity to the poor and His own annointment by this woman during his ministry. You couldn't have twisted a more backwards interpretation out of this phrase even if you were being deliberately misleading, rather than simply full of reading comprehension fail and idiocy.
I've read your comments and I know you hear that 24X7X365. Your seat on the train is permanently reserved.
Sadly, thanks to the Internet it's a piece of cake to choose our own set of facts now and discard the rest as being "biased".
Educated lefties designed the Internet, and now we're paying for it.
Maybe you didn't get the memo, but the Ku Klux Klan was a Democrat fraternity. If you don't believe me, feel free to go to hell and ask Robert Byrd aka Satan's Grand Kleagle.
Incidentally, Joe McCarthy was RIGHT…and you are living proof.
Nice job debating facts and politics.
You should listen to your hero Bill Clinton and quit deploying 'The Politics of Personal Destruction."
People ought to remember how real class warfare often ends, as in the French and Russian revolutions, with the aristocrats' heads and bodies separated.
Why do you hate black babies?
Prove it!
I hear you. I just don't respect you. At least you know your place! Who lied to you and told you life was supposed to be fair?
You know nothing of Goodness or Justice, and everyone who believes as you do shall have their part in the Lake of Fire.
This forum IS open. I don't see it posted anywhere that only liberals are allowed here.
"he rightly punched the asshole in the face."
Did you just threaten me with bodily harm? You terrorist you!
I detect some anger here, you might want to work on that. This post proves that you lost our debate.
ForConstitution +1
JMPesp 0
YOU LOST!
Matt Damon is proof too!
Joe McCarthy was a drunken demagogue who was brought down by his own words and his complicity in creating a nation in fear. He tried to bring down decent people to elevate himself. McCarthy ended up being a sad, pitiful, and hated man connected to one of the darkest and shameful moments in American history.
Your mother obviously didn't raise you right. Wishing someone's death does not reflect good values.
Selective memory of history. Those Dixiecrats you refer to moved to the republican party due to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The Republican Party developed the Southern Strategy by embracing all kinds of racism. Robert Byrd was a clan member in the 1940s and opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. He then grew to know he was wrong and spent a few decades before his death denouncing what he did in public. He had balls to say he was wrong.
Letting unborn babies die does not reflect good values. What are YOU doing to stop the infanticide?
Aren't you glad your mother had you?
How many women die after having an abortion? How many are sterile? How many KNOW they did the wrong thing?
Have YOU ever felt the miracle of life move inside you? I have. Until you have had a baby, you have NO say in this argument!
"400%"
ITS OVER 9000!!!!
"I'm not giving ANYONE a pass"
I have picture you need to explain.
Like it did for Bristol Palin, right. But it's ridiculous to claim people should wait for marriage to have sex, hell it's very bad idea to get married to someone you haven't even fucked yet. And what some people believe an imaginary being wants them to do should have no influence on public policy.
Since you are arguing against a Constitutionally guaranteed right, is your handle meant to be ironic?
I'm pretty sure the Bible begs to differ on that point.
Uh, we were talking about abortion; babies are not involved.
Yes, I'm a woman and mom.
I have felt the miracle of a baby growing inside of me that was created in love and within the bounds of marriage like God designed. If you want a safety net……USE ABSTINENCE until marriage. It works 100% of the time!
Are you a mom and a woman?
Obama raided Food Stamps too just like Clinton raided SS!
As I don't actually believe in any god, I can't really subscribe to the idea that anyone “designed” my uterus, but I appreciate that others can be people of faith, I just don't appreciate their forcing their views on others. I am a woman and a stepmother of three adults who are only about 10 -12 years younger than I am , I chose not to have children as my partner in life has the aformentioned three and that really seems like plenty. Oh and abstinence really doesn't work does it…cf Sarah Palin's daughter.
I am a mom. Abstinence education is a PROVEN FAILURE. It has been proven to only delay out-of-wedlock sex for an average of 18 months, then these kids are more likely to get pregnant or contract and spred STDs because the Abstinence only education demonizes birth control.
For many decades, many generations of Bastards were born. I was born out-of-wedlock in the mid sixties. There are millions of us that serve as proof that telling teens and young adults to wait til marriage NEVER worked.
There is no safety net for rape victims.
Now that it's legal and safe, none; back in the dark ages, tons of them dies or went sterile. And none of did the wrong thing; you can't tell someone that their personal choice was wrong when it doesn't hurt anybody else.
Cool. I have felt my son's kicking inside me. I have brought forth child from my womb with medical intervention. I have breastfed for 21/2 years. I help him with his homework. I love him more than anyone or anything.
I still support women's reproductive rights.
You can tell how bad today's wingnuts have gotten when they defend Joe fucking McCarthy. Who's next, Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh?
Well, I'd be happy to continue this, since you are the one civil person on this board.
Let's start by examining your belief that no one in America is capable of achieving prosperity without "some help".
First off, it will not surprise you to learn that I vehemently disagree with that position.
Government has erected barriers to entry, and that is one of the main reasons we have unemployment in double digits in this country.
Other reasons include: NAFTA (both parties guilty), Unions (all Democrat), illegal immigration (Dems and RINO's) and one of the highest corporate tax rates on the planet (mostly Dems). Couple that with the cheap price of overseas slave labor and there is WHY we have unemployment.
What ObamaCare does is take that problem and make it MUCH worse. While we're on that subject, how does a 2700 page bill get passed into law with no one reading it and no bipartisan support? Face it…the DNC has made a mockery of the system. They have no honor, no morals and no sense. It has become the Party of tyrants and dictators. They're hanging pictures of Mao on the National Christmas tree, for God's sake! The man was a mass murderer!
My question to your friends is simply this: Have you no shame? You steal elections, you keep "enemies" lists, you harass citizens on their own property, you've corrupted our schools, our media, our Churches and our government. And, all the while, you expect the average citizen to believe you can be trusted? It strains credulity.
They say "don't call me a Communist" at the same time they advocate government takeover of 33% of the US auto industry (I'll never buy GM again as long as I live), the banking and insurance industries, health care (one sixth of the entire economy). You name it and your "friends" here want it regulated out of existence.
I invite you to read:
"A CHRONOLOGICAL HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER"
by D.L. Cuddy, Ph.D.
http://friendsoftheconstitution.cs2webservices.co...
You will then begin to see how the Democrats (now co-opted by the Fabian Socialists and Communists) are working for the destruction of our country and the world as we know it…and why they must be stopped. The utopia they have promised you is a lie. The only thing at the end of their "plan" is blood, death and untold suffering. Continue to vote for that if you choose…just don't do it with a blindfold on.
"Republicans and Teabaggers don't care about their kids or grandchildren."'
Oh, actually, they do care very much about their own children and grandchildren. So much so that they're happy to ensure that everyone else's children and grandchildren can go to hell.
Not only does your politics hurt kids…it's destroying YOUR children's future! How can you be so fucking stupid as to not see that? You make a great case for eugenics!
Your own children will live out their lives in abject poverty – possibly not even living in a sovereign nation- because YOU are too stupid to see it. We're trying to prevent that from happening and you hate us for it. Good luck with THAT!
If my mother decided to terminate the pregnancy, I would not have the opportunity to have an opinion on the matter, would I? I believe in reproductive rights for all women for whatever they decide even if they decide to keep a child.
For my work in Adoption reform and advocacy, I was recognized by several prolife groups in the 1990s. I worked and supported organizations that supported mothers in keeping their children and birthmothers after they relinquished for adoption.
I also have been a vocal supporter of single mothers so they can get affordable childcare so they can go to school and work.
I am a vocal supporter of comprehensive sex education and free access to birthcontrol — the best way to prevent or diminish the need for abortion.
Unlike republicans, I do not demonize poor mothers. Every birth is sacred and all mothers should be supported. If all of you join me in this, more women would carry their pregnancies to term.
I have tabled with grandmothers and mothers over the years.
Interesting fact: Abortion wasn't even considered a sin by the Catholic Church until the later 1800s when women were dying by drinking chemicals and other forms of self-inflicted abortion due to the fact they had no birth control or say in saying no to their husbands. This is around the same time homeless kids were on the streets in urban areas were spirited away to work on farms in the midwest. Children who were not orphans stood on boxes to be picked for farmwork — thus "put up for adoption" was born.
I am a wealth of information on these topics and have done quite a bit to prevent abortion.
Oh, come on–everyone knows that Business Insider is a communist front…We'd be in much better shape if all the banks had collapsed, because, once the mass starvation and plagues subsided, the remaining fragments of the US economy could have gone back on the gold standard. You just fail to see the Big Picture.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-j...
Now you want to tie Obama WITH BUSH?!? God damn! You ARE desperate! BWAHAHA!
My god, you just like making shit up, don't you? Mao on the Christmas tree? Really? What stolen elections? Huh? Enemies list was Nixon's gig; where the fuck is that coming from? Who is harassing citizens? Oh, and the big corporations all pay no taxes thanks to all the loopholes and tax shelters they use to hide income. This is just plain nuts.
"He had balls to say he was wrong.
No. He had the wisdom to lie to idiots like yourself (who also lie to themselves) to get himself re-elected.
BIG DIFFERENCE!
Yes. And Douglas MacArthur too! If memory serves, his reputation was also destroyed by Democrats for the crime of loving his country.
No, dontcha see, you only THINK that McCarthy was a bad guy because the Communist-controlled education and media systems told you he was. In reality, Joe McCarthy cuddled kittens and Roy Cohn was a witty, thoughtful, very, very heterosexual guy, and both just loved their country so much that they tried to save it from the Enemy Within.
Actually my child will do fine. He is getting a great education in a district with involved parents. We can afford enrichment classes. He lives in a region that has diversity, opportunity, culture, and places where he can hike and enjoy the outdoors. We save more than we spend and we give back to our community. Since his parents both have a college, statistically he will do better in school.
Our kid knows the value of saving and being frugal already, and also how to be socially responsible and the value of hard work.
My child also knows that you never wish harm on someone if you disagree with them.
My politics have done more benefits to children — lower class sizes, more funding for pre-school and child care, nutrition programs, immunization programs and early preventative health care, afterschool programs that keep kids out of trouble, arts and music programs that help kids with conventional school subjects, and the list goes on. All of these programs have been cut and will be cut by republicans.
Funny you should mention that. Glenn Beck made the same observation 18 months ago. Have you been watching reruns?
High corporate tax rates? Someone get the dudes from Google on the phone!
REALLY?!? Give me the address of that rock you've been living under so I can mail you the video!
Honestly. You have no idea what I'm speaking of? Are you truly that oblivious? If so, you should be ashamed of yourself for being that out of touch with reality! If you don't know ANY of this then you are the most uninformed idiot I've ever encountered.
If you doubt any of this, I suggest you look it up for yourself. I was expecting some lame defense, but this is even worse! You're a straight up dumb ass!
Sigh…as we know, all presidents announce their policies through Christmas tree ornaments: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/20...
It was an ornament that included a copy of one of Andy Warhol's "Mao" silk-screens, which means that Obama is a committed Warholian.
As I came back to this thread against my better judgement, I conclude this person cannot be serious,and are just fucking with you. No one can seriously spouting this shit.
They say "don't call me a Communist" at the same time they advocate government takeover of 33% of the US auto industry
You do understand that the government did not take over the car industry? That would imply Obama was the head of GM. We didn't start building cars . We facilitated an organized bankrupy to minimize the damage of the company just collapsing, much like we intervened in the financial collapse. GM is about to go public again, and the government might actually get a nice profit. Much like TARP is repaid and we might see gains on it.
Are you people for real? You need meds for paranoid delusions. The are no commie socialists. If anything welcome to the Plutocracy of America!
Without unions, chickadee you wouldn't have the minimum wage, the 40 hr work week, workers compensation, and all other benefits that workers take for granted. For all their problems, they are the only organization working for people who have to work for a living and agitate the dems to get a backbone to fight for those of us who work for a living. Republicans do not work for working people.
Huh, I thought disobeying direct orders from the Commander in Chief was called insubordination, not "loving his county".
Nice. Make a claim without offering any substance about a dead guy who cannot defend himself. Can you read minds? Read minds of the dead? I know it blows your mind that people can change given new information, but it is true.
You are boring me and I don't want to spend anymore of my penis points on you. Our exchange reveals a lot about you. You have a substandard grasp of American history and economics. Your specious claims and heavy use of ad hominem fallacies shows you to be not a very good representative to your cause.
I saw down the thread another lapse in your American History. MacArthur was fired because he forgot that the military takes orders from a civilian commander in chief. You may disagree with Truman, but the advent of the nuclear era complicated warfare. MacArthur was not sensitive to this change and was risking a escalation that could lead to nuclear war. If we let the military go unchecked, then we are in a different country.
So thanks to my Wonkette brethren for withstanding my wonkiness instead of being more funny or snarky.
Answer my question.
Have YOU every had a baby?
Bristol shouldn't have been allowed to be alone with a boy. Better yet, she shouldn't have been allowed to date.
At least she had her baby and isn't on welfare and her baby has loving grandparents to help bring her up in a loving family.
The same Google who jumped into bed with the Obama Administration and George Soros?
Funny how that works, isn't it? I didn't realize we were playing the 7 degrees of separation of Kevin Bacon game.
You can't deny it, so you attempt to trivialize it. It leaves a person wondering just how far you'll go to hide the truth.
Sadly, no. If we don't throw out Obama in 2012, all America's children are screwed in perpetuity. Yours included.
Also, I have noted that you are among the evil rich. You should burn in Hell for your good fortune. Isn't that the proper liberal sentiment? I'm pretty sure that's Obama's Party Line!
Well I know you're speaking out of your ass, because you just made up a whole bunch of bullshit that has not actually happened.
Soros! Soros Sorsos! Oooh look, it's the boogie man! Hee, I've never understood that obsession of the wingnuts, but it's funny.,
Oh look, Soros is over there; run away!
Disagree with a Wonketteer, and you'll be called a "poopyhead."
Disagree with a TeaTard, and you'll be CAST INTO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY.
No; what does that matter? I'm a man, but still respect the rights of all others, including women.
Okay I'll bite. I am a breeder for reproductive rights of women.
Sarah Palin, who treats her own children as political props, is a loving grandmother? Ha!
And man, do you ever have some regressive, sex-hating views. People have sex, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and they should know how to prevent disease and pregnancy.
That's funny. You all revile the rich…until someone like Soros comes whispering in your ear that HE can save you from your fate…if you'll only do as he suggests.
You peasants are so predictably gullible! That IS the secret to Soros' success. Preying on weak minded fools such as yourself.
This obsession is explored at novel length in Orson Scott Card's laughably bad Empire, in which a Soros-like bad guy starts a modern civil war in the US with huge MechWarrior-type robots. The hero enlists Bill O'Reilly to Save America.
Don't look now, but your fellow Commies on this board have already conceded the point and are trying to spin it like it doesn't matter.
Would you like to proceed to Double Jeopardy, where your massive ignorance will be fully revealed?
ROFLMFAO!
Uninformed rubes like you tickle my funny bone! You really should try to keep up with recent events if you're going to accuse someone of lying. Everything I said is a documented fact. If that concerns you, you might want to register as a Republican!
What? No comeback? Sorry, I guess you're busy catching up on the last ten years of history. DO let me know when you feel confident discussing current events again, Poindexter!
Well, hey, if one ornament, donated by someone in Chicago, is proof that Obama's a Maoist, then I guess we can only conclude that George Bush HATED JEWS because he sent out a Hannukah card with a Christmas Tree on it.
OMG! Reality is communist! No wonder them "Patriots" cling to revisionist fantasy!
You gotta love how some conservatards decry "moral relativism," then turn around and justify MacArthur's contempt for the C in C or Ollie North's breaking the law "because they loved their country."
Actually I have a soft spot for Mr. Haig — not only for his confusion about the presidential line of succession, but for my favorite cold war quip when asked if smoking Cuban cigars was trading with the enemy he replied, "No, I'm burning their crops." Props.
If we don't throw out Obama in 2012,
all America's children are screwed in perpetuity.then a slightly different set of political/economic interests will be advanced, and there will be some different policies enacted. There will be a slightly different set of winners and losers in either case.There, fixed that for you.
The Fate Of The Nation is rarely at stake, Skippy. The Revolution, the Constitutional Convention, the Civil War, and maybe the Great Depression are pretty much the only times that the US has been in such a deep crisis that we faced an existential threat. But, hey, if you want to hyperventilate, go right ahead.
Oh how dramatic!
I am not rich, I am just frugal, fortunate, and hardworking. So many Americans lived beyond their means and used their houses as an ATM. We didn't do that. We have no debt, so in a way we are rich. If we cannot pay something off in the same month, we can't afford it. Shock!
Perhaps, but he's not the sitting TOTUS now, is he?
all you problib commies revert to the past when confronted with facts…why is that? Are you time-challenged or fact-challenged?
TIP OF THE ICEBERG!
How does that work, exactly? Enlighten us!
There is only ONE political position that belongs to Real Americans!
Skippy? you must have me confused with your crazy Uncle. We can discuss it during our next bloody revolution. I know I can count on you showing up!
I don't make the rules…I just happen to agree with them. Make whatever you like of that.
Enlighten us, oh benighted One! What position would that be?
Sadly no, I've seen this one before, he's part of the Breitbart crowd that's been lurking. The rest of them seem to have disappeared but he slipped the ban hammer and now he's over here picking up the slack. Liberals are evil Commies, Soros, Fabian Socialists, etc. etc. It's mostly just a spew of disconnected Glenn Beck talking points. People keep coming back to argue with him, I don't know why. When a person's opening position is that we're all a bunch of commies who need to be educated, interspersed with a shitload of condescension and name-calling, there's really no room left for debate.
I AM screwing with you and I AM serious. It might be hard for you to believe, but there are tens of millions of people in this country that think and feel as I do. You need to make the adjustment and parse this data. It's the new reality in America.
By the way…are you serious about ANY of the shit you just spewed? If so, you're DEEP in denial.
Even your avatar sucks donkey balls.
Why did I know that you would back pedal on your claim of prosperity? Could it be that I maneuvered you into revealing a little truth here?
I'm so sorry if I inadvertently outed you to your poor commie friends! You'd better keep a close eye on your children now! SEIU might come to your front door demanding Justice! For the poor downtrodden (overpaid) union workers, of course. Traumatizing your children in the course of action will be a MINOR unintended consequence, I'm sure. We can overlook it in the interest of the "common good".
It is none of your business how much we make. Needless to say my child will do just fine and is very happy and well loved. He is ready to take on the world. He will be able to go to any school he wants, travel, and have a lot of opportunities.
I have never belonged to a union, but I support unions. My life isn't ruled by fear. I always worked for the private sector or non-profits.
Union workers who make a good salary make the consumer driven economy run. If workers have a disposable income they buy things and create jobs. When workers make more money they pay more taxes which goes to our infrastructure that benefits businesses get goods and services to customers.
Will you be showing up in one of those electric mobility scooters I saw at Glenn Beck's rally?
Oh, don't worry, it's safe to say he opposes the minimum wage, 40-hour workweek (and requirements for overtime pay), and worker's comp, too.
The minimum wage is a pox on prosperity. Other than workers comp (which is a foregone conclusion via lawsuit), please explain why we need unions again?
Just so you know…Republicans ARE THE WORKING CLASS in America. That's why Democrats outnumber us. They are the leeches sucking the life-blood out of this country. Soon, the host will no longer be able to support you parasites. You have become too greedy and are killing the host.
This is a survival situation and one of us is going to have to die. Perhaps we both will…but you'll go down with our teeth on your throats. We're Americans and we don't just roll over. We're going to fight to survive. good luck too all of you blood sucking ticks.
His scooter will have .50 calibers mounted on it. For Freedumb.
I'll be the one you never saw. It's called a ghilly suit. Google it.
But don't you know, your child (mine too!) is being warped by being brought up by commies and going to those commie Government Schools, where they teach lies like "McCarthy was bad."
I'll take that to mean you never revealed to your fellow rubes how well off you actually are. Not surprising…deceit is a plank in your party platform.
It doesn't matter…your TOTUS is busy devaluing any savings you may have accrued. So…you'll get your wish after all! We'll all be penniless together! I'm betting you will die of starvation long before I become uncomfortable.
Why, YOURS, of course. The rest of us are all sheeple.
You're a monotheist, right? From the "Lake Of Fire" comment, I'll assume Christian…so you reject all other religions' concepts of the divine, including all other deities?
See, we're not that different. I just disbelieve in one more god than you do.
…and your hero Bush, who first put the bailout in place for the banks and wall street shitheels…those folks seemed to make some pretty bad decisions, too.
In my neck of the woods, there seem to be more people who thought they could buy that $750K house in Republican strongholds like Darien on their $80K salary. Or they make $150K and keep havin' the babies and discovered lo and behold, their finances are tight.So instead of trading in the Hummer or the Land Rover, they walk on the property. They sure aren't 'the poors'. The lower income folks bought in little dump towns like the one I live in–where at least homes are affordable and your neighbors are actually friendly. So don't assume it's Reagan's make-pretend 'Welfare Queen' scenario that fueled this mess to this degree.
I was hoping that one of you surrender monkeys would bring THAT up! How's about we end all the "turtle tunnels" and "sea lion preservation" programs before we drop our collective pants in front of the world?
Or, do you think that turtles and sea-going mammals rank higher than humans? You're among friends here…you can tell the truth without being judged…or can you?
You DO realize that pulling back our foreign policy will cost real HUMAN lives all across the globe, don't you? Maybe you don't care. I get that. But, how will you explain your position to the innocent dead on Judgment Day? It's kind of like justifying the abortion of a healthy baby for your own convenience. There is no good argument for it.
Defense is ONE of the few condoned Constitutional expenditures. I happen to support it.
That is the response of a coward. But thank you for the admission. I'd have preferred debating policy, but I'll accept your concession without debate. It's going to end the same…regardless.
Indeed! We'll just have to rely on the voting booths, won't we? Aww. Did I harsh your mellow?
Wait a minute! Didn't we just have a vote? How did that turn out? Did I miss a resounding affirmation of Obama's leadership abilities?
Catch me up on current events here…are we all socialists NOW? Inquiring minds want to know!
Now you're screwing with me! I like it. It adds an air of ambiguity I find familiar. It smells like bullshit.
Way to be creepy.
I appreciate that, Roscoe P. Coaltrain! It's a good dog that gives the devil his due. Even if he is yellow or blue.
Don't think for one minute that we can't undo what's been done…and don't think that we won't either. You've had your joke, but it's time to get back to the business that is America and we don't have time or room for Commies any more.
We are serious as a heart attack and we aren't going anywhere. Here's what you can expect:
We're going to cut programs to the bone to offset your reckless spending.
We're going to remove barriers to entry so your poor neighbor can catch up to you (even though you claim to be "downtrodden").
We're going to lower the corporate tax rate so that jobs will want to come back to America.
We're going to repeal ObamaCare as unconstitutional.
We're going to extend our foreign policy to places you never dreamed possible.
We are going to become exactly what God and our Founders meant us to be, and we don't give a damn how many of you Commies get left by the wayside as a result.
Giggety, giggety!
I'm sorry. I thought you'd want to know. Now I've spoiled the surprise!
"deflated muppet of Alec Baldwin" FTW!
I think I love you, Mr. Kincaid.
Life imitates art…if you can call it art.
"There is no new thing under the sun."
King Solomon, son of King David – Beloved of the Lord.
It's the new John Birch Society. Or the American Taliban. Or both.
NO. You must be an atheist to forward this line of inquiry. It is the only explanation other than blind stupidity…not that there is a difference IMO. The fact that you have missed Jefferson's point can never be understated. It is the point at which your train of logic derails.
Ahem. If I may ask the clerk to read back the question asked, about seventy-squijillion posts ago, which led to the bagger invoking the "right to pursue happiness"?
And did the bagger reply by referring to the Constitution?
No. The bagger cited the Declaration of Independence, and then, when it was pointed out that the D of I does not have the force of Law in These United States, the bagger claimed that the D of I has the same moral force as the Constitution, since it was the Constitution's antecedent.
I see. Has the Supreme Court of the United States ever interpreted law–that is, found a law unconstitutional–based on the Declaration of Independence, rather than upon the Constitution?
Not so much.
No further questions.
Wow, I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a slur, or if you're a parody troll, or what. Honestly, I can't but simply reply with yet another quote of Jefferson's:
If it was good enough for the guy who wrote the document you confused with the Constitution, it's good enough for me.
Poopyhead
I have received instructions from Soros the Great through the chip in my head, like the one all liberals have. It is time to begin moving on on Phase 2, and Looking4Sanity is one of the first targets. You will be assimilated; resistance is futile.
And next, Soros will rule the world! Mwa ha ha!
Or I actually have something called a life. Really, where the fuck do you get the idea that Democrats have stolen any elections, or Obama has an enemies list? That's just, well, nuts.
I never confused the documents…that is a flaw in your own logic. I merely pointed out the fact that the Declaration formed the foundation of the Constitution.
Even you can not be so dull as to deny this. So what have we established? Jefferson WAS a Christian…and not a Deist, as the Commie Progressives in this country have taught our children.
Therefore, Jefferson believed, as all Christians do, that our Rights come from our "Creator". It is therefore impossible to abrogate those Rights without the consent of the holder of those Rights. I DO NOT CONSENT. I WILL NEVER CONSENT.
If our Government seeks to force consent from me…there will be open war. I AM Government. That is what makes us unique in all of Creation! Your side lost. Get used to it. I've lived in America all of my 50 years. I've fought for it…I've served it, but it belongs to me…not the other way around. As long as I'm alive, no Commie bastard is going to change that.
So, are we going to talk it to death or are we going to dance? Either way, I'm going to be there with ALL my friends.
*golf clap*
Yep, he does oppose minimum wage; he probably also hates the fact that those communists stopped six-year-olds from working in mines too.
So you finally admit it. This says pretty much all we need to know about the moral bankruptcy of you and your ilk.
Umm, he called himself a Christian, then instantly turned around and denied the divinity of Christ and called the church itself a perversion of Jesus's teachings. If you consider that Christianity, then you're far more liberal (in the theological sense) than I'd have ever assumed. Are you a Unitarian? Maybe Hicksite Quaker? Probably not, since they're doctrinal pacifists. Consider my interest piqued, all of a sudden, either way.
Wait, no, this is probably due to your reading comprehension problems again. Never mind!
Why do you want to defame the memory of Jefferson by calling him a Christian?
Now, it 's not Snoopy's fault that some fundamentalist moron decided to misappropriate his image.
Hey, they all know and obey the basic rules: War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, and Freedom is Slavery.
Keep living in denial. you'll be safe then.
I oppose ALL artificial influences on the "Invisible Hand". If you weren't a Keynesian ignoramus, you would too.
I think there's a few hundred million Iraqis who would disagree with your assertion that pulling back our military would cost lives; but they can't , because they are dead.
And on Ragnarok, I will stand with Thor and the other virtuous dead. Since you bring in ridiculous mythology, I can too.
No, but thanks for playing! The only President who might rank higher than FDR is Lincoln; and really, it's ridiculous to attack him, or Carter or Obama, while ignoring the modern Republican Nixon-Reagan-Bush II triumvirate of shame.
You are in denial of the facts of life. It would not surprise me in the least to learn that you deny the existence of God, or that you think that Mankind is just a fluke. I blame your parents.
What I love about this critter is that he is simultaneously looking forward to the coming extermination of parasites AND identifies himself as a Christian. Almost makes me wish there was a God to punish him for getting basic tenets of Christ's teachings so utterly wrong.
Because free markets just work so well; except that they don't. You actually used "invisible hand" seriously; damn you are stupid.
We've got to deal with faith-based history and science these days, sadly.
Time for…
CHRISTIAN ATHEISM!
No, I know all about the facts of life, thank you; you take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and then you have the facts of life, the facts of life.
We have always been at war with East Asia.
And I yelled to the cabbie, "Yo, homes, smell ya later!"
I looked to my kingdom, I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel Air
I did actually note that, and also that thanks to the abject failure that was the Articles of Confederation, one can't even claim that there was an unbroken line between the Declaration and the Constitution- half of the Constitution is derived from mistakes made and lessons learned with the Articles. i just decided to humor him anyway, because it's obvious he's never read anything in the other document, either, past "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
Anyway, since the Articles were also the Constitution's antecedent, don't they also have the same moral force as the Constitution? What about the Magna Carta? Really, shouldn't we be using just any old document we can find to base our laws on, if they were written before 1787? And if so, why does NeedsMoarSanity love Sharia law so much?
For extra giggles, read his bio- "If it isn't in the Constitution, I don't want to hear it!" Unless I made myself look like a stereotypical teabagging moran, by confusing it with something from another document! In that case, I actually meant to say the Constitution, Declaration, Magna Carta, and whatever else is out there!
Like I said before.
Quote chapter and verse from the Bible to back up your statement.
Lets get one thing straight, like all presidents Bush did some good thing and some bad things. The tarp scheme was one of the worst things he did during his presidency, but lets remember that congress was controlled by the dems and all bills come from congress for the president to sign. The bail out should never have happened and it should never have been extended beyond its original intent, but as we all know tarp was extended to help out a couple auto companies and lets see who did that stunt? When govt steps in to pick winners and losers the tax payers lose every time.
Not sure what you are referring to on the Reagan part.
Anyone who willing accepted mortgages that they knew were beyond their means should have to also accept the consequences of those decisions. The govt should not step in and bail out these people regardless of who they are or how much they earn. By the way this is not exclusively a repub trend, there are people who are dems that have done it also. This is a serious problems for all Americans that needs to be dealt with.
Here is idea I heard the other day, how about we let every one that is upside down on their mortgages walk away from the property with no harm to their credit? This would allow the mortgage holders to liquidate the property for what ever value they could get for it.;
You know, I hadn't really given any thought before to using the Articles of Confederation to reply to the specious Christianist notion that the Founders were divinely inspired and intended to create a Christian Nation<sup>TM</sup>–if the project was all directed by God, why the first-draft fail? Not that this would really hold any water with these folks who think that a document which only contains restrictions on religion is actually modeled on the Bible, but what the hell.
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