Today In Anti-Muslinism: No-Mosque NIMBYs, Tennessee Terrists, and Cardboard Hatreds

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Get one for your cabbie!It’s time for another installment of Burn Yer Queeran, where we talk about “Islamophobia, American-style” in bullet-point format. Is everyone psyched to learn about the latest trends in bigotry? Awesome! Let’s proceed, then.

  • “If it bleeds, it leads” — and so we start our sad tour with the story about Ahmed H. Sharif, the New York City cab driver who was slashed in the neck and face because he is Muslim. A college student accused of attacking Sharif has been charged with attempted murder and other serious hate crimes, and because he’s being held without bail will probably become a martyr-figure for right-wingers and mosque opponents who will say he’s being “made an example of” and “railroaded” and other victim-words. A depressing and worrying story every way you look at it, though Mayor Mike Bloomberg did invite Sharif to visit City Hall. Sharif must be so excited, if he’s not overwhelmed by excruciating pain and trauma.
  • In Mayfield, Kentucky, a crowd of more than 250 town residents cheered when their local zoning board voted down a permit for a mosque proposed by a local Somali group, reports the Louisville Courier-Journal. Supposedly, the problem was related to parking: Unlike good, God-fearing Christians, who only have to go to church once a week, muslins have to pray every day to atone for all their wrongdoings, and this creates parking shortages (“Sharia of the Parking Lot”). The ACLU of Kentucky isn’t buying the zoning board’s story and is looking into the matter. Meanwhile, the mosque-less Somalis will continue working at their depressing chicken processing jobs — which is why they’re in Mayfield in the first place, aside from destroying America there.
  • In Madera, California (near Fresno), someone threw a brick at an Islamic center and left behind signs stating “NO Temple for the god of terrorism at Ground Zero ANB” and “Wake up America, the Enemy is here. ANB.” The ANB is reportedly the American Nationalist Brotherhood, which must not be a very popular or ambitious hate group because the local sheriffs haven’t heard of ‘em. Also, they don’t even have a website. Come on people, it’s 2010 — you can at least make a Facebook page, it’s not even that hard. Anyway, the sheriff’s investigating this one as a hate crime.
  • A new poll by CBS News shows that 71% of Americans oppose the Manhattan not-mosque, especially when there could be another peep show palace in that location, or even a McDonald’s. And 29% don’t think the developers “have the right” to build it, because the 14th Amendment should be abolished RIGHT NOW.
  • In an article accompanying its poll results, CBS mentioned the ongoing debate surrounding a proposed mosque in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. As one local told the a CBS reporter, “It is not about religion … It is about stopping Tennessee homegrown terrorists.” Then she burned a Koran.
  • Welcome to Mega-Mosque Nation! That’s the name given to America by the Christian Broadcasting Network’s “News Terrorism Analyst” Erick Stakelbeck, because of “the nationwide growth of mega-mosques.” Watch Stakelbeck’s show on his website, and see if you can feel your pulse quicken as his apocalyptic terror talk fills you with dread! You’ve got nothing better to do.
  • Edward Cline, a columnist at the much-beloved Family Security Matters, writes that he is not aware “of any Republicans publicly endorsing strip clubs and lap dancing.” Yeah, neither are we.

[AP/Louisville Courier-Journal/Fresno Bee/CBS News/Stakelbeck on Terror website/Family Security Matters]

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103 comments

  1. Terry

    We look back on periods of American or European history and wonder how people could have let bigotted, biased, mean, or violent things happen and imagine that we might do differently. During the Bush years and now with this crazy crud that’s going on, we’re the ones who letting it happen.

  2. JMP

    Well, the unnamed Tennessee woman from the CBS story is right that these debates are about stopping homegrown terrorists; specifically racist white terrorists who the angry anti-mosque bigots like her are stoking.

  3. charlesdegoal

    Aren’t we also to assume that the “Key Karzai Aide in Corruption Inquiry Linked to C.I.A.” is also a muslim and that the CIA should be condemned for placing such a person on its payroll?

  4. Potater

    The comments section on that ANB story is full of a heated discussion on “Moslems” and how “We observe Islam…quietly but persistently increasing its population in various countries. For what purpose?” Yeah, why is all these brown people suddenly havin’ the baby types? “When its population there reaches critical mass, as it is doing in India…”

    Yeah, let that last line sink in a bit.

  5. Oblios Cap

    I thought the Daily Hate was only supposed to last two minutes. It’s been going nonstop for years!

  6. comicbookguy

    They’re not racist, they’re just trying to preserve their parking spots. They should just put up a sign: “Free Parking – Whites Only”

  7. weejee

    71% of Americans oppose the Manhattan not-mosque
    Probly the same people, or the spore thereof, who in the 50s made GODDAMN sure that Hank Aaron couldn’t stay at the same hotel or eat at the same restaurants as his teammates when the Braves were playing in St. Louis.

    the nationwide growth of mega-mosques
    And how does this differ from mega-churches

    To quote Imissopus: Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck

    oh and of course fuck

  8. Formerly Preferred

    Instead of all this h8, I’d like more stories about people with drunken, slutty ambitions, please. Oh, well, time to surf over to textsfromlastnight for a while.

    Crap. Blocked at work. But anti-Muslim hate gets through no problem, so win?

  9. just pixels

    From the way these “Christians” are behaving, I’m beginning to think Saudia Arabia is smart to ban churches to prevent the violence its adherents tolerate amonst the rock-throwing and knifey-boy sects.

  10. Formerly Preferred

    [re=646081]ZonkerHarris[/re]: It’s not even the Kremlin–it’s St. Basil’s Cathedral. I think that last word means “mosque,” in Russian.

  11. freakishlystrong

    Really. Who ARE these people? Has Faux and hate radio really transformed 70% of the country in to racist bigots? Who are they polling? How is the fringe right wing getting away with setting the agenda for this country and then speaking for it?

  12. bobwurst

    This isn’t going to stop until some teabagging terrorist (sorry, I mean lone wolf patriot, acting on his own with no encouragement from politicians or new orgs who want to profit from hate)goes McViegh. This is just like what happened back in the early 90′s. Waco happened, and Fox News, and Rush and his spawn, spewed non-stop hate against the gov, and Clinton, and republican pols went to the well of Congress and attacked the president, and big gov. and eventually McViegh sucked it up and killed 165 people. He’s dead, the people who egged him on are rich. Why would they not rinse and repeat?

  13. Serolf Divad

    Every time this poll is brought up, some GOP shill takes it as a personal insult that anyonw could possibly try to claim that 71% of the US public might have a racist bone in their bodies. But for some odd reason no one counters by pointing to polls showing similar levels of disapproval of interracial marriage back in the early 1960s.

    So yeah, it’s very possible that 71% of Americans are showing their bigotry on this issue. And yeah, if our politicians don’t act like demagogic fucks and opportunistic asshole enablers of racism we can actually wean most of the public off of this bigotry just as we did with interracial marriage 40 or so years ago.

  14. actor212

    (”Sharia of the Parking Lot”) – Starring Uschi Digart

    Doesn’t the Christian Broadcasting Network generate from the Schuller Crystal Cathedral?

  15. JMP

    [re=646095]just pixels[/re]: Let’s face it, we must immediately close any and all churches near Second and Twenty-Fourth.

  16. Johnny Zhivago

    When the Sharia Planning Boards take over American zoning laws, all of you will be bemoaning the new restrictions like no women allowed in swimming pools, mandatory camel parking areas and stoning courts in every shopping mall.

  17. donner_froh

    So that’s how to get a meeting with Bloomberg–have some drunken jerk try to cut your throat with a box knife.

  18. therogueangel

    I live in Mayfield, Kentucky. And, I caught your post since this issue has caught national attention. I wasn’t at the meeting, but I know where the Somalians want to have a mosque. It is in the old Democratic Headquarters building. It is a very small building with a very small parking lot. Maybe five or six cars could park there and still someone would probably get a ding or two when everyone decided to leave.

    The truth of the matter is, whether or not anyone cheered or doesn’t want a mosque, the parking lot is too small and the city wouldn’t have let a Baptist Church take up residence there either.

    What is amazing is that while this has gotten national attention, no one has written a story about the chicken plant that imported the Somalians to Kentucky. This same plant has been cited on more than one occasion for having numerous Hispanic employees with the same SSN. If you are an American citizen, you must apply for a job at this plant with the local unemployment office. If you are Hispanic (and now Somalian), all you have to do is go to the plant gate and they will escort you in and help you fill out your application.

    It is also amazing that no one has covered the story of why over 100 of these Somalians (women, men and children) were found living in an abandoned building in Mayfield with no water or sewage. They were travelling in pairs to local businesses filling up gasoline cans with water from their hydrants. No one has asked how did they get there or even who brought them here. Why? Because everyone knows it was the chicken plant.

    No one has covered the rape of a local little girl by the Somalians and barely a word has been said about the Somalian that grabbed and tried to drag a 12 year old girl walking down the street either. But, let them ask to put a mosque into a building that is not equipped to handle one and suddenly Mayfield is the home of a bunch of racists who just don’t want to extend religious freedom to anyone who happens to be Muslim.

    But, the local chicken plant … who is known for bringing in foreigners instead of hiring locals (I wonder why that is?), gets no coverage. Even after so many of their Hispanic employees got deported. It is amazing that so many Hispanic people could have the same fake paperwork. I wonder who provided it to them?

  19. weejee

    [re=646120]Canmon (the Inadequate)[/re]: WTF, Omar Rivera peed on prayer rugs. A muslin Messican???

  20. Johnny Zhivago

    [re=646084]comicbookguy[/re]: In all seriousness here, out here in western NJ, we turned down a Methodist community center over an issue with parking (as well as issues around well recharge rates, etc). So there are legitimate reasons to oppose anything. In NJ the test is “is it a permitted use?” and “does it serve the local community??” – but even if the answer is yes, there are technical hurdles.

    But of course when the Methodists were advocating their project I don’t recall anyone railing against the project as a breeding ground for terrorism. And no one (except the closeby neighbors) let out a cheer – more a sigh that another piece of overdevelopment was dead.

  21. Serolf Divad

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]:

    These black men rape innocent little white girls, haven’t you heard? That’s why we don’t like them. It has nothing to do with racism.

  22. JMP

    “Has Faux and hate radio really transformed 70% of the country in to racist bigots?”

    Yes. See also the polls that show most people support the Arizona anti-Mexican law.

  23. Cape Clod

    If only someone could come up with a way to make stupid painful. For the Stupids, of course. It’s already painful enough for the rest of us.

  24. gurukalehuru

    Michael Enright’s defense will undoubtedly be that he looks too much like Ned Beatty to go to prison.

  25. tootsieroll

    [re=646120]Canmon (the Inadequate)[/re]: ok, so if 143 people “like” that article, does that mean they “like” the fact that the drunk man violated the prayer and peed on the rugs?

  26. Baldar T Flagass

    [re=646105]bobwurst[/re]: Well, except McVeigh bombed OK City a year before Fox went on the air, but I guess that could be a chicken-or-egg thang.

    [re=646120]Canmon (the Inadequate)[/re]: That prayer rug really tied the mosque together.

  27. bago

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: Well, hopefully they earn the 50 dollars and hour or so that McCain thinks unskilled laborers get.

  28. GoinGreen

    “Look, Meester Mayor – if I hold my nose and blow, my gaping hate wound will spray like the fireboats on the Hudson!!! Is that patriotic enough for me to continue living??!!”

  29. Dashboard_Buddha

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: “No one has covered the rape of a local little girl by the Somalians and barely a word has been said about the Somalian that grabbed and tried to drag a 12 year old girl walking down the street either”

    Source?

  30. donner_froh

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: Sounds like you got more of a problem with the chicken plant owners than with those who work there.

    One hint: the owners are neither Hispanics nor “Somolians”.

  31. comicbookguy

    [re=646130]Johnny Zhivago[/re]: “…and stoning courts in every shopping mall.”

    Sounds convenient. When I was a teenager we had to go out to the back parking lot to get stoned.

  32. Mad Farmer Manifest

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: Firstly, white guys do the same scummy shit, so don’t make sex crime a race issue. Some white piece of trash here in Oregon raped and murdered two of his daughter’s friends a few years ago. Sex crimes are horrifyingly endemic in this country.

    Secondly, you mean that the main problem we face is short-sighted corporate domination of the media, government, and economy? Who knew? Don’t spread the word on that. We wouldn’t want to bother all the white folks that are worked up about blacks, browns, Muslims, and gays.

  33. Baldar T Flagass

    [re=646164]Dashboard_Buddha[/re]: Well, there can’t very well be a source if no one has covered it.

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: and also, Dude, Somalian is not the preferred, uh. . . Somali. Please.

  34. President Beeblebrox

    Having recently visited the part of Kentucky where Mayfield is (relatives), I can tell you that a mosque would go over about there as well as “a nipple-piercing in a nunnery”, to quote Douglas Adams.

    The whole area of the lower Ohio River and middle Mississippi River Valleys is seriously hard-core fundy Christian, with some Catholics sprinkled in for good measure. Turn on the AM radio and you’ll find all sorts of evangelical preachin’ and witnessin’. Lots of Democrats there, but old-style Dixiecrats.

    RAND PAUL WIL STAND UP AGAINST TEH MOSK!

  35. comicbookguy

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: You should perform at the improve. Do your “White guys park like this… black guys park like that…” bit.

    I agree, though, that Mayfield, KY is too close to Ground Zero. It stabs hearts. We need to move the town further away, say 6,000 miles west of its current location. Then with you un-American bigots out of the way, the Somalis can practice freedom of religion just like the rest of us.

  36. Redhead

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: Yeah, I cover a lot of child sex abuse cases for the local newspaper, and our coverage of them is pretty limited because they’re CHILDREN and we typically try to protect their identities and their privacy cause, ya know, kids that have been sexually abused have kinda already gone through enough. And [re=646177]Mad Farmer Manifest[/re]‘s right, sex crimes aren’t a race issue. The white honkies here do some horrific, sadistic shit to little kids. I’m so sick of reporting it, and it’s always those damn white honkies. Can’t you people keep your dicks in your pants? I’ll tell you what, they better NOT try to put some stupid baptist church anywhere near MY backyard, cause I don’t want you white cracker people molesting MY kids. (And don’t try to say you won’t, cause I know you white crackers are all the same!)

  37. Mojopo

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: Just about every sentence in that post was retarded, but I am disturbed to discover that you think human beings can be “imported”. Did you know that humans are not products? One imports flip-flops from China to sell at WalMart, for example, but humans immigrate or emigrate. Freudian slip much?

  38. Baldar T Flagass

    Also, if these Somalis live in an abandoned bldg and drink water from gas cans, what kind of cars can they afford? How many parking spots do no cars require?

  39. just pixels

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: Somolians … isn’t that slang for money? Gotta tell you, I could use a few somolians to pay the rent.

    Everything you say is undoubtedly true about the parking lot and the chicken plant and the sex crimes. BUT, tea party, Repubican and other national political leaders have equated mosques and Muslims with a clear and present terrorist danger to the nation. Those same leaders also rail about limiting the government to its constitutional powers. Yet we hear that cheering when the government uses its power to stop a mosque. Remember the plain language of the Constitution that government cannot restrict the exercise of religion. It doesn’t also say “as long as there’s adequate parking”. It’s the hypocrisy over the role of government that engages my snarkiness.

  40. thehelveticascenario

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: You forgot to end that with “… but I’m not racist!”

  41. Lascauxcaveman

    [re=646081]ZonkerHarris[/re]: I don’t want the Kremlin built at Ground Zero, either. Why are they calling it a mosque?

    I was thinking, “WTF do these guys have against the Taj Mahal?

  42. imissopus

    [re=646088]weejee[/re]: And I stand by those words. Especially this morning. So many things to just make me want to put my head through a wall.

  43. President Beeblebrox

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: Chicken plants suck. They are literal abattoirs, and the working conditions are horrible. But guess what? White people work there as well as brown and black people. It’s just that the brown and black people are more willing to do shit work for shit pay because they’re trying to make something of themselves – you know, that American Dream thing – while many of us crackers are content to sit on our fat asses and eat Cheez Doodles while watching America’s Got Talent.

    However, chicken plants are the perfect example of the beloved Free Market at work. There’s enormous demand for chicken to make into McNuggets and Chicken Clubs and Chick-Fil-A Classics, so Perdue, Tyson, Mountaire, etc. are meeting the demand by supplying it as cheaply as possible. I mean, it’s just a business decision, right?

  44. StarsUponThars

    Everyone knows that Michael Enright was planted by the libruls to make the Tea Party look bad.

  45. Absolutely Fapulous

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: Mad Farmer Manifest and Baldar T Flagass said it better than I would have. I just want to add that no one here is likely to argue that the Pilgrim’s Pride chicken plant isn’t owned by evil, horribly corrupt, and probably “Christian” assholes.

  46. JMP

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: My god, how horrible, all those Hispanic and later Somali people being in your town, existing and all, so that you had to actually see non-white people! But this isn’t racist, no not at all, even though there’s no non-racist reasons for your objections.

  47. Dashboard_Buddha

    [re=646181]Baldar T Flagass[/re]: But surely someone would have seen the pitchfork and torch carrying mob had this really happened anywhere (other than in Angel’s head).

  48. therogueangel

    You know, it is amazing how assuming some of you people are. I am white. My husband is black and my children are as well. I am not racist and don’t have a problem with Hispanics or Muslims or anyone else. What I do have a problem with is how the news has made this into a bigger issue than it is. What is “big issues” like the treatment of these people by the chicken plant, the fact that they import labor in the first place when Americans are running out of unemployment and can’t find jobs, and what are pretty big crimes for a very small town … is not even touched or is given a sentence or two, nothing more.

    Six parking spaces, people … does not make for a denial of someone’s freedom of religion. All the Somalians have to do is find a bigger building with adequate parking and there are plenty of them in Mayfield.

  49. Berkeley Bear

    There can be legitimate land use questions with any sort of community building. However, because of the second attempt of the GOP to pass the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (son of RFRA) you normally have to tread very carefully when dealing with religious buildings. It is a stupid law, effected by Christians in favor of mega-churches, but as written it is going to bite some mosque opponents hard if they aren’t cautious.

    If I was Russian Orthodox I’d be pissed about that pin. Don’t these ignorant assholes realize Muslins like to keep their boob buildings (domes for mosques) and penis buildings (minarets) seperate, not combined in the onion bulb weirdness of St. Basil’s?

  50. Native of SL UT

    You missed the mark on the cabbie slasher being a martyr. This is according to Fox Nation whose headline reads “Did a Lefty Slash an NYC Cabby’s Throat?” See, he’s one of us. He’s not a martyr for right wingers. He slashed that cabbie because he is a martyr for us libtards and he is trying to help our efforts to promote religious tolerance by ..um..oh fuck I don’t know why, but he is.

  51. Dashboard_Buddha

    [re=646273]therogueangel[/re]: Still waiting for the source of your Somali rape squads, love.

  52. Dashboard_Buddha

    [re=646281]Native of SL UT[/re]: From Fox Nation:
    “Enright did not respond to a message through his Facebook account.”

    No shit, Sherlock…since when do they allow Facebook in jail?

  53. GoinGreen

    [re=646273]therogueangel[/re]: I don’t think it is really assuming to see that your previous diatribe was full of mixed messages – you rail on the corporate giants for “importing” the Somalis, but seem to point blame toward the “imported”. You also speak of the atrocious conditions the Somalis seem to be living in – but, once again, your tone lacks even a hint of empathy for those who, at this time, are being fully extorted for cheap labor. To me, it is very unfortunate that you see the “what” that is wrong here, but do not see “WHO” is wrong.

  54. JMP

    [re=646273]therogueangel[/re]: Well, if you don’t want people to assume you’re a racist then you might try not typing racist things, like dehumanizing people by referring to them as being “imported”, or blaming an entire community for the alleged and in no way made up crime committed by one.

    “This has no coverage but I know the girl’s aunt” has got to the most credible sourcing I’ve ever seen.

  55. therogueangel

    I think it is atrocious that over 100 Somali people were found living in an abandoned building with no water, no sewage and during one of the hottest weeks we have had in years here! Children, babies, toddlers were found in that building. And, guess what? It wasn’t on the news. It won’t be. And, guess what? That same chicken plant that brought them here will bring even more of them and won’t care how they live as long as they will come to work every day on that bus.

    I know exactly who is wrong here. Too bad that isn’t much of a story though.

    But, six parking spots is.

    PUHLEEZE.

  56. Dashboard_Buddha

    [re=646296]therogueangel[/re]: Angel…I’m not calling you a liar, but seriously. A GANG RAPE occurs, the cops are investigating and NO ONE is reporting it? That’s stretches a bit, doesn’t it? In the small town I used to live in, if a black kid got into a fight with a white kid, it made the news. Perhaps the aunt is some racist rodeo clown who is looking for an excuse to “legitimately” hate the Somalis.

  57. GoinGreen

    [re=646319]JMP[/re]: You gotta admit – “I ain’t a racist – I married a black dude!” is a pretty good defense toward the claim you have hatred toward the imported!

  58. Dashboard_Buddha

    [re=646322]therogueangel[/re]: It isn’t that much of a story because it isn’t a story at all. Well…it is a story, but not the newsy kind. More like a tale, a fable, or deranged meandering.

  59. Redhead

    [re=646273]therogueangel[/re]: Well thanks for clearing that up – now we know who your one black friend is, which automatically excludes you from being racist against Somalis or discriminating against a religion (since all Muslims are from the same country and same ethnic heritage)! Since, you know, all dark/non-white people are pretty much the same.

    By the way, if you know the family of the little girl who was gang raped, then why on allah’s green earth are you COMPLAINING that there’s no media coverage? The sheriff’s office is investigating, that’s what you want – media coverage, making her peers aware of the fact is what you DON’T want (and no matter how much the media tries or how good their intentions, which I’ll be the first to say is definitely not always the case, in small communities this stuff gets out. Even the smallest details of the case being reported can accidentally ID the victim.) So for god’s sake, shut your mouth, help the police and get that girl to a therapist…. unless that story is A: as bullshit as your pretend family or B: you don’t actually care about your friends or their daughter’s well being and are simply trying to twist a horrific occurrence into justification for your own prejudices.

  60. Georgia Burning

    Surprising that the “what the Founding Fathers intended…” crowd hasn’t weighed in here. Possibly because there’s lot’s of stuff the FF’s wrote explictly protecting the right of people to erect any “house of worship” and forbidding local governments from interfering with them based on the type of worship.

  61. President Beeblebrox

    [re=646296]therogueangel[/re]: Do you have any proof that crime in southwestern Kentucky has increased because of the influx of Somali immigrants, much less that more crime is committed by Somalis, other than one news story and anecdotal evidence?

    Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

  62. Accordion-o-rama

    [re=646273]therogueangel[/re]: As you can no doubt tell from the responses here, it takes some real skill to pass off racist bullshit as legitimate news – skill you clearly lack. Please leave this to the professionals at FOX.

  63. mumblyjoe

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: Relatedly, when all those white people told black folk traveling through their suburban towns that they’d “best get out ‘fore nightfall”, they were actually just trying to explain that most suburbs have very restrictive overnight parking rules. It was all just a series of several thousand innocent misunderstandings!

    And plus, I hear black men like to rape white women, so even thing it was really about parking laws, and not at all racist, it was probably for the better that it came across as a threat of lynching if they chose to settle in the suburbs. But, just to clarify, there’s nothing racist here.

  64. OCKerouac

    [re=646115]actor212[/re]: Close, but not quite. The TBN actually originates from a god-awful monstrosity next door to South Coast Plaza, about 8 miles south of the Crystal Cathedral. Those of us OC heathens un-affectionately refer to it as Jesus’ birthday cake…

  65. chaste everywhere

    [re=646430]t_rax[/re]: Well, I don’t, strictly speaking, but some dicks put them on themselves, which can be fun to watch, especially if they go about it in a clumsy fashion.

  66. sati demise

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: they should close all CAFOs. fuck cheap food. It isnt cheap if it makes you sick and you have to pay a doctor to fix it. godddammnnit, I fuckin hate these CAFOs.

    And the people who run them. What company is it? Tyson? Purdue? Smithfield? Please let me know….

  67. GOPCrusher

    [re=646322]therogueangel[/re]: This tale needs a “filthy savages choose to live that way” blast.

  68. Redhead

    [re=646413]President Beeblebrox[/re]: I take it she doesn’t have any proof – unless she ran off to ask her suntanned husband who she’s trying to pass off as a black/brown man to help her make up some facts, because if Faux News can do it, dangit, why can’t she.

  69. noodleman

    [re=646078]Potater[/re]: So, just what would constitute “critical mass?” As of 2001, Muslims constituted ~13% of India’s population. Adherents of Hindu still outnumber Muslims more than 6-to-1. And while the Indian-Muslim population grew 30% between 1991-2001, the Hindu population also grew by 20% … meaning it could take centuries before Muslims would even constitute 25% of India’s total population, by which time the world’s population would probably exceed 40 billion.

  70. Redhead

    [re=646644]President Beeblebrox[/re]: I’m telling you crazy crackers, you better keep them Baptist churches out of my backyard! It’s what those crazy rednecks want, to be able to put their churches anywhere they want so they can roll pigs heads and molest kiddies before shooting themselves, and I just won’t stand for that kind of disrespect!

    Will no one remember the IRS building attack? Nevar foargit!

  71. imissopus

    [re=646322]therogueangel[/re]: The truth of the matter is, whether or not anyone cheered or doesn’t want a mosque, the parking lot is too small and the city wouldn’t have let a Baptist Church take up residence there either.

    No, the cheering IS the issue. With everything going on around the issue of mosques and where to build them in this country, 250 people cheering at a mosque being denied permission to open looks fucking bad no matter the real reason.

    Plus I’m willing to bet that if it was Muslims cheering a Baptist church being denied a permit, Fox News would be screaming about it 24 hours a day, and the Baptists would be complaining to each other about the bigotry they suffer under in modern-day America, and on and on, no matter how many Muslims claim they are only happy because the proposed church site has a lousy parking situation.

    How many people live in this town? I ask because when 250 people in a small town cheer something like this, it becomes easier for outsiders to tar the surrounding community with the racist brush, since 250 might be a significant percentage of the population. Whereas one guy trying to rape a young girl, or an attempted gang rape by six or eight Somalis, can’t be used to tar an entire community. It’s simple numbers.

    And you want to claim outrage over the media coverage? Fuck that. How about being outraged that the people in your community are obvious dumbasses? That the Somalis are obviously being so badly exploited that a hundred of them are living in an abandoned building because, presumably, they do not make enough money to rent a better place? Unless they looked for better homes and got turned down by many of the local landlords. In which case you might want to ask why the local landlords were turning all these people down when they applied to rent these apartments. And why them fine Americans who probably own that chicken plant are bringing in Somali laborers they can underpay instead of hiring local unemployed folk. Lot of questions for you to ponder before you start throwing around all this crap about parking spaces.

  72. Mad Brahms

    [re=646687]noodleman[/re]: [re=646078]Potater[/re]: There’s also the appalling political naivete on display as regarding India’s minorities. Violence between Muslims and Hindus (between those groups and Sikhs, and Christians, and Animists in the North-East, and so forth), isn’t the simple result of population growth, but rather of reactionary politics and a deep and ongoing struggle over the meaning of secularism in the state. The Sangh Parivar (Hindu right) has certainly played up the idea of a “fifth column” of Muslims in India, but the right’s version of history is a remarkably toxic blend of nativism, self-loathing, and half-baked mysticism. That it would be picked up on and parroted by Christian conservatives stateside is depressing, if not entirely surprising.

  73. Mad Brahms

    Oh, and another serious post:
    Quoth our dear Lauri: “71% of Americans oppose the Manhattan not-mosque, especially when there could be another peep show palace in that location, or even a McDonald’s. And 29% don’t think the developers “have the right” to build it”

    There was a BBC article that called the gap between the numbers an example of “nuanced debate”, much to my intense frustration. I don’t buy it for a second. What exactly does “opposition” mean in the face of the right to build it? Especially irritating here is that the phrase gets thrown around in the context of political mobilization. When people are voting for pols who “oppose” the cultural center, what are they expecting them to do? Ask them nicely to move? And if they say no? The “nuance” here seems to be that somewhere in between 29 and 71 percent are a large group of people who want to elect someone who can *confound* that right.

  74. OCKerouac

    [re=646776]Mad Brahms[/re]: The incessant amount of polling taking place in recent American politics has shown time and time again that the phrasing of a question holds as much influence on the outcome of a poll as anything else. For example, I personally am kind of creeped out by ANY large and expensive building being build for the express purpose of worship, so if you asked my PERSONAL feeling, I’m against a Mosque, Church, Synagogue, Temple, or any other religious structure being built pretty much anywhere. I think they bring more harm than good, so I guess I’d be in the 71%.

    That being said, as an American, and more importantly, as a believer in personal freedom, I believe that ANYONE has the RIGHT to build ANY religious structure they want, wherever they want, so long as it’s within the building laws of that particular area, so I would NOT fall into the 29%.

    That seems to me to pretty well explain the 42% gap, but it DOES make for a better story to say “ZOMG! 71% of America hates Muslims!! The 1st and 14th amendments have now disappeared from the Constitution just like Marty McFly almost did!”

    All we can hope for now is that President Obama will find, and subsequently punch Biff so our precious amendments come BACK to the FUTURE!

  75. Mad Brahms

    [re=646812]OCKerouac[/re]: This still doesn’t address, however, the issue of political mobilization. When Palin and Limbaugh use the mosque as red meat to bait their supporters – all while parroting the same “right to build” line – what exactly is their proposition? This is where it breaks down for me.

  76. Rock Ripsnort

    [re=646164]Dashboard_Buddha[/re]: How can RogueAngel cite a source? “Nobody’s covering it”!

  77. transfatz

    Attention all bigots, Cordoba will be a Sufi center. If the Wahhabi stubdicks who planned and executed the WTC attacks had an extra plane they would have rammed it into Cordoba. They don’t like Sufis. Dancing, singing, tolerance and all that.
    In a related note, the Sufis helped me out once when my car died in central Ohio. They put me up for a night, fed me, and provided an evening of thoughtful conversation. Religion was never mentioned. I didn’t even know they were a muslim sect until someone gave me a copy of Rumi’s poetry many years later. I’m glad that Sufi center was there though.

  78. Brendan

    oh mmmmmmyyy groodness. John Hagee, talking to CBN genius Erick Hackeysack, just said Biblefact. Please tell me this is a new development in the world of crazees. There is suddenly such a thing as a Biblefact.

  79. ElliBetty

    Americans can’t get over with it ya. It was terrorists. Not Islamic.
    Never associate that to Islam, never. But the Non Muslim world just cant get over with it, they still generalize, label the true good Muslims injusticely!
    Very Early Signs of Pregnancy

  80. WATERBOARDCHENEY

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  81. WATERBOARDCHENEY

    @theroueangel

    It as covered in the news!

    Somali Man Charged with Attempted Kidnapping
    By Joe Jackson

    MAYFIELD, KY – Mayfield police are investigating the attempted abduction of a 12-year-old girl by a Somali refugee. Police arrested 23-year-old Yusuf Hassan of Mayfield Tuesday at 312 East Broadway.

    If that address sounds familiar it’s because that’s the address that a group of Somalis had sought to use as a mosque before Mayfield’s Zoning Board denied it a permit. Hassan has been charged with the attempted kidnapping of a minor.

    Police say Hassan approached the girl Tuesday around 5 pm on South Sixth Street. He allegedly grabbed her on the shoulder but the girl shrugged him off. He then grabbed her around the waist and tried to take her to his car which was parked in a nearby lot. The girl broke free and ran to her mother’s workplace nearby.

    Police found the car and the girl was able to identify Hassan in a photo lineup. He was arrested and lodged in the Graves County Jail. His bond is set at $100,000.

    http://www.westkentuckystar.com/News/Local—Regional/Western-Kentucky/Somali-Man-Charged-with-Attempted-Kidnapping

  82. 102415

    [re=646134]therogueangel[/re]: Well,I sympathize with you. I live “near Ground Zero!!!” The parking situation down here is just awful so we take cabs. Too soon? Sorry.
    It seems to me that the ChickenFactory should just give the Importedpeoples a nice mosque and a Mexican temple and help them to buy nice condos and then run them for public office. Or else you will just have to put up with the bad publicity until you can take over the ChickenFactory and hire some home schooled Teabaggers.

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