Yes, umm, equality. Thanks.President Obama, like many people, was very happy that Proposition 8 was overturned yesterday. But no, that does not mean he supports gay marriage, David Axelrod says. “The president does oppose same-sex marriage, but he supports equality for gay and lesbian couples, and benefits and other issues, and that has been effectuated in federal agencies under his control.” Right.

So “equality” does not mean the ability to get married to one another. That is not part of equality.

People who care about gay rights would like Obama to support gay marriage. People who hate gay rights would like Obama to be shipped back to Kenya in a Kool-Aid pitcher. But Obama wants to get married to both the gay rights people and the anti-gay rights people, so he basically punts on the issue and tries to make both sides love him. But neither will.

Obama thought Proposition 8 was bad because it was “divisive and mean spirited,” Axelrod said. So denying people gay marriage is wrong. But giving people gay marriage is also wrong. Ah, the joys of being president. [The Hill]

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  • Jack Stuef

    Also also I HATE mustard. Worst condiment ever.

  • Oblios Cap

    Grow a pair, you Halfrican!

  • queeraselvis v 2.0

    This will not end well. But on the plus side, this also isn’t good news for John McCain.

  • 13ollocks To The Rules

    So he’s against gay marriage, but he supports the right for gays to marry…OK…Hope he doesn’t get too many splinters in his cojones, straddling the fence like that.

  • GuyClinch

    Obama’s craven cynicism on this issue is also “divisive and mean-spirited.” I’d like to think he actually does support marriage equality, but who the fuck knows.

  • freakishlystrong

    So…Ask, don’t tell?

  • dex

    he should just stick to bullying teachers and trying to kill julian assange.

  • jetjaguar

    gay rights = civil rights

  • DC Hates Me

    Sounds like he’ll be running for a 2nd term.

  • Extemporanus

    [re=632898]Jack Stuef[/re]: Oooh, cut!

  • Joshua Norton

    You know. It’s like some Southern bigot saying “I don’t mind black people, but I don’t want my sister to marry one”.

    ‘Splain the difference Barry.

    I’m waiting.

  • Extemporanus

    [re=632909]jetjaguar[/re]: The cock of history is long, but it bends toward buttsecks.

  • weejee

    Obarmer has grown a pair, maybees. The Blue Angles are strafing the Swish Alps here in C’Addle at this very moment. Could this be a warning the the realz Warshington about getting too ghey?

    My bride and I are going up to Vancouver, in the BC of Canadianland for a festive wedding in a couple of weeks. Such things are legal up there in Molson land.

  • hockeymom

    Dear Barack,

    For a long time, you were my pretend boyfriend. You filled the hole in my heart left by John Kerry and Al Gore (even the tiny hole left by Wes Clark).
    But now, I need to break up with you. This is the final straw.
    I gave you a pass on the lack-of-actual-jobs thing (George’s fault!)
    I was willing to give you another month or so on Afghanistan (You didn’t start the fire!)
    But this is it. Gay Marriage is a civil rights issue. This is not hard. There’s a right decision and a wrong decision and you are on the wrong side of the line on this one.

    So goodbye.

    Your former best girlfriend,

    ps. You are being replaced with the original pretend boyfriend, George Clooney. He’s for gay marriage. Probably for reasons I don’t care to know about.

  • GuyClinch

    [re=632916]Joshua Norton[/re]: We’ll just have to wait until Sasha and/or Malia emerges from the closet; then he’ll change his tune. Here’s the one issue where Ted Olson and, gah, Dick Cheney are better than BO.

  • JohnnyMeatworth

    Wait, why did I vote for him again? Oh yeah, Walnuts.

  • Panquake

    Good thing we’re not looking to Obama for, you know, actual leadership on anything.

  • facehead

    If Obama hates gay marriage so much, why doesn’t he divorce it?

  • Gratuitous World

    [re=632898]Jack Stuef[/re]: speak for yourself. i’m still gay for dijon.

  • dijetlo

    I’m looking at that picture and one of those guys supports gay marriage…

    A lot

  • Serolf Divad

    Maybe what Obama actually means is that he does not support the idea of himself personally getting gay married? At least, that would be one way to spin his position once it becomes apparent that supporting gay marriage is no longer political suicide.

  • TrailerSpawned

    Being happy about the prop 8 beat-down while still not being for gay marriage is certain to both mollify the tea patriots whilst also pleasing your base. Yes, that makes sense.

    Some one needs to the the good President that the aim of a centrist isn’t actually to piss of both sides simultaneously.

  • MLM

    Hmmm… there’s these words that are coming to mind… “separate but equal”. Now where have I heard that before?

    Oh yeah, and didn’t they decide that separate =/= equal?

    C’mon, Barry, sack up.

  • edgydrifter

    [re=632931]Serolf Divad[/re]: Immediately followed by his appointment of a Director of Keeping It on the Effing Down-Low.

  • One Yield Regular

    I’m constantly arguing with my fellow travelers who’ve soured on Obama by politely pointing out to them that the alternative, if they’ll just think back less than two years, was the Gramps McCain/Snowbilly Grifter Juggernaut, and that Obama IS changing things (albeit slowly and in an incremental way), otherwise the wing-nut wing of the wing-nut party wouldn’t be so completely apoplectic all the time. Urging them to keep that in mind, however, doesn’t prevent me from also acknowledging, with a heavy, exasperated heart, that on this particular issue, Barack Obama is far to the right of… Arnold F-ing Schwarzennegger?!?

  • tehbenton

    Thanks for the support, Barry. Why don’t you stop equivocating and take a fucking stand? Stop letting the courts make up your mind for you.

    Seriously. It’s a yes or no question, not a “yeahbutnobutyeahbut” question. Do you or don’t you?

  • SayItWithWookies

    So separate but equal. Um…

  • Thrillhouse Goes Bananas!

    This is a brilliant move by Obama. Now all of those tea birther klansmen are going to vote for him in 2012.

  • LakeLucilleLoon

    Did he learn nothing last night at his dinner with Oprah and Gayle? This jerk would still rather see Oprah marry Stedman when she should really marry Gayle.

  • BklynIlluminati

    Ok going to have to give Barry a pass here. Listen you have to have a broad spectrum of support and there are Christian lefties such as myself. I happened to be enlightened not all of us are but they are there never the less. And it just won’t jibe with them so he is actually doing the smart thing and saying hey I feel you on the whole homo-marriage thing but im not down with that but i aint going to stop you neither. He is not entertaining any anti-gay legislation he isn’t ginning up the religious zealots saying i’m going to right this wrong. He is just putting it out there that aint my thing and we should have tolerance for that just as you would expect for the tolerance of homosexuals. Look im anti-abortion but i would never vote or try and take a woman’s right to choose away, thats just my thing i want babies crap i was put here to make as many as i can but if that aint your thing or there are other issues involved and you choose a different path more power to you. I get it, and listen all things considered the homos won what more do you want i have to get in the homo bath with you to?? Geez the man got us healthcare slayed a few wall street dragons, let the brother breathe

  • GOPCrusher

    I’m waiting for the Wingnuts to proclaim their support for Obama because he’s not for same-sex marriage.
    We all know it’s coming.

  • Dashboard_Buddha

    Barry? Got a min? Great, can I talk to over here? ahem


    Just saying.

  • ArugulaTeleprompterz

    Normally I’m a Barry fan. Spineles shit like this makes me want to reconsider that fact…

  • El Pinche

    [re=632925]JohnnyMeatworth[/re]: Yeah, and it will be the same shit in 2012, also. “Oh yeah…”

  • ella

    Mr. President:

    Cake: can’t have and eat it too. Not even on your birthday.

  • Geogre

    Why doesn’t he support gay marriage?

    His opponents will say he does anyway, and everyone but gay voters thinks he does, so he gains zero votes and loses up to 10% of votes by doing this big case of stupids.

    I repeat: Jedi Master my behind!

  • natteringnaybob

    It’s called simultaneously putting from and into the rough

  • La Cieca

    As a question deserving a straightforward answer, “Mr. President, do you support gay marriage?” is right up there with “Honey, does this dress make me look fat?” The very best that can be hoped for is a tactful lie.

    Can we remember that less than two years ago a majority in California voted for a proposition that was quite obviously unconstitutional and discriminatory, all because that word “gay” short-circuits a whole lot (a majority, in fact) of brains? Why, then, should the President pointlessly offer the Right the ideal soundbite for the next decade of political campaigns? (IMAGE: A fuzzy photograph Candidate X shaking hands with Obama. VOICE OVER [distorted, scary]: I… SUPPORT… GAY… MARRIAGE!” TEXT CRAWL: WHY DOES CANDIDATE X HATE MARRIAGE?)

    Obama isn’t a judge, so this particular ball is not in his court. He’s also not a pundit, so there’s no point in his just throwing his opinions out there for entertainment value. What he is, though, is a savvy strategist who realizes that marriage equality is an inevitablity that doesn’t require self-immolating lip service that would in fact set back the cause rather than advancing it.

    For the record, I’m gay and I very much want to get married.

  • notreallyhelping

    Yeah, but at least he’s consistently inconsistent: we’re not sticking our neck out and we’re sticking to it. Clinton’s voice would have been tearfully creaking as he spoke out of both sides of his mouth, and Bush would have been revving up the 1st Air Cav to invade Palo Alto. God knows what Walnuts would have done: twitched and flinched as he juggled steel bearings in his hands and waxed nostalgic about how much better TV was in black & white? Barry’s straight drive down the center is almost refreshing.

    Cut me some slack: I’m rationalizing as fast as I can.

  • Long Form Def Certificate

    [re=632933]TrailerSpawned[/re]: Exactly. It doesn’t even work like that for Arlen Specter anymore.

  • Gorillionaire

    You know, when George W. Bush the Retard used to have to go on teevee and say shit like “hey the muslins are ok, tolerance and all that shit”, none of the wingtards really got that freaked out, they just figured “oh hell he has to say that but really we know he is gonna nuke ’em all one day!” But when Obama says anything even close to this I have a hundred ideologically pure lefties spitting fire saying “well that’s it! I simply can not support this man any longer and will hereby cast my vote for whoever the next Ralph Nader turns out to be!” and then I try not to think about 537 votes.

  • usernameguy

    [re=632943]One Yield Regular[/re]: And Dick Cheney.

    But also what La Cieca said.

  • Mad Brahms

    To be fair, this isn’t a case of Obama responding to the tea party. He was against gay marriage in the campaign, too, and in the senate. But at this point it’s too much to ask for someone who actually supports all of the, you know, reasonable positions.

  • One Yield Regular

    [re=632986]usernameguy[/re]: AND Dick Cheney, indeed. But also what La Cieca said, thanks too.

  • sarcasticusername

    they couldn’t have just gone with, “as a negro who has read a thing or two about civil rights, the president agrees with the court that it’s probably a shitty idea, to let the angry white hillbiliies of america decide who should and should not have certain rights?”

  • Chet Kincaid

    [re=632917]Extemporanus[/re]: Cradled face in hands and guffawed heartily. At work.

  • blinky_twinkie

    I’m just waiting until he’s won reelection in 2012. If at THAT point he doesn’t openly support marriage equality, there’s pretty much nothing I can do about it except not give him money he doesn’t need to get reelected.

  • Lionel Hutz Esq.

    Give Obama a break. After the tragedy of Bristol and Levi, can anyone really support marriage in any form? The heterosexuals have ruined it for everyone.

  • Jukesgrrl

    [re=632920]hockeymom[/re]: I feel your pain.

  • norbizness

    “At Least We’re Not Republicans” gets you elected, not re-elected.

  • you didn’t ask, but

    [re=632951]BklynIlluminati[/re]: [re=632980]La Cieca[/re]: [re=632988]Mad Brahms[/re]: Right on. Pres is doing *exactly* what Schwartzenegger and Jerry Brown are doing. Staying out of the way and letting the inevitable happen. If Obama changes his campaign position he looks like a hypocrite with the middle of the roaders so all he’s saying is that he believes in upholding the law.

    No he’s not being a maverick on this but so what? It’s gonna happen without him. Better that than the half-measures Clinton employed that just pissed folks off.

    Reminds me of folks screaming: “Executive Order, Executive Order” re: DADT. The thoroughness of the judge’s opinion and its applicability to federal law will make the case much more airtight regarding Gay rights overall and it’ll be easier for Kagan to turn Kennedy over if the CA case gets that far. Executive orders can be immediately revoked with the next administration.

    Barry will do some sort of low-key nod later down the line like attend a private, no cameras gay wedding of a close friend/family member. Republicans have already done this on several occassions (even that turd Limbaugh had Miss Elton at the fourth wedding) so that’ll be that and it’ll be the law of the land before the end of the second Obama term.

    Shit. No snarky or cussing. Fuck. ( :-) )

  • Extemporanus

    [re=632980]La Cieca[/re]: Obama’s equivocation on the gay marriage issue generally, and the Prop. 8 case specifically, is politically cynical, morally depressing, and — for every reason you voiced so well — sadly, but ultimately, the position most likely to move the ball forward (or at least not set it back) that one could hope for in an American political, social, and media climate routinely commandeered by bigots, babies, obstructionists, and assholes.

    It’s pretty fucking far from okay, and sorry succor to those still fighting, hoping, waiting — and the many more who died doing exactly that — but my belief that things will be set right, in stone, sooner rather than later, is stronger now than it has been in the last 30 years.

    Please hang in there, and know that this breeder’s got your back.

    (No homo!)

  • Extemporanus

    [re=633022]Chet Kincaid[/re]: I’m seriously considering putting that line on a t-shirt — I’ll send one to your boss if I do.

    [re=633041]norbizness[/re]: That’s pretty fucking true, too.

  • Jukesgrrl

    [re=632951]BklynIlluminati[/re]: He might have gotten YOU or yours healthcare, but I still don’t have any and I won’t in 2014 either. So I’ll reserve celebrating this “increment” that helps a few of the people some of the time. As for Wall Street, when I see President Obama appoint Elizabeth Warren to her rightful position as head of the council she developed for the economic protection of all Americans, then I’ll believe he’s not sold off what’s left of the middle class. While I agree he’s still a damn sight better than Gramps and Bible Spice, I fail to see how he’s an improvement on Hillary, the woman I turned my back on because of her affiliation with the DLC … you know, that corporatist cabal Rahm Emanuel runs … you know Rahm Emanuel … the President’s chief of staff …

    And as to the situation at hand, I can understand how Mormons and teabaggers don’t understand the concept of due process (Mormons probably never learned it, teabaggers ignore anything that doesn’t fit into their imaginary Land o’ Founders), but I simply can’t reconcile the idea that a person who once earned his living as a Constitutional scholar doesn’t get it.

    At least I don’t have to worry about the president being punished for this crime of first-degree hair splitting. History will take care of that — and quickly. And I won’t worry about you tossing around disrespectful terms like “homos,” either. If you really DO live in Brooklyn, sooner or later you’ll pay for that with a couple of your teeth.

    I join [re=632903]13ollocks To The Rules[/re]: in his hope that our president “doesn’t get too many splinters in his cojones, straddling the fence like that.”

  • Wonderman

    Some of his best friends are gay. Doesn’t that count?

  • AxmxZ

    Yeah, seriously, enough already. Barry is not fooling anyone on the left or seducing anyone on the right. And don’t even try to pretend like this is a religious objection, because everyone fucking knows you’re not religious. This isn’t the Renaissance – rational people who grow up as atheists don’t just find Jebus out of nowhere, unless they make plans to run for office. So quit this nonsense and just do the right thing. Those who disagree with you on this issue didn’t vote for you to begin with.

  • Canuck13652

    From the Canuckistan Supreme Court, which basically says “no, we don’t make minorities sit by the side waiting for scraps”:

    In addition, in Egan, writing on behalf of myself and Cory J., I took the position that the need for governmental incrementalism was an inappropriate justification for Charter violations. I remain convinced that this approach is generally not suitable for that purpose, especially where, as here, the statute in issue is a comprehensive code of human rights provisions. In my opinion, groups that have historically been the target of discrimination cannot be expected to wait patiently for the protection of their human dignity and equal rights while governments move toward reform one step at a time. If the infringement of the rights and freedoms of these groups is permitted to persist while governments fail to pursue equality diligently, then the guarantees of the Charter will be reduced to little more than empty words.

  • BklynIlluminati

    [re=633092]Jukesgrrl[/re]: Get over yourself its called snark and if you don’t get it there is no helping you. Born and raised in East NY and Sunset Park and i still have all 32 of my ivories. I have homosexuals as family members puto so save it. And it can’t be all left all the time there are other people in this country who you cannot force them to accept your views its what we make fun of the right for all the time. It’s the POTUS’ job to straddle that fence and keep a united country and sometimes that means making concessions even tacit lie concessions its called governing. We shouldn’t be left or right we should do what is best for all Americans and sometimes that means the little guy gets hurt a bit. Its not right but in this case the gays got what they wanted and we are moving forward in the right direction. He is the Preznit of America not Preznit of the left.

  • Rev. Juan MessyCan

    [re=633168]BklynIlluminati[/re]: Hang on, puto (shit, if you’re gonna throw *that* around, have some also).
    THIS gay (and a few others commenting) didn’t get what he wanted, including an admired speechmaker and constitutional scholar to actually say something meaningful instead of “HamBisquits are good, and I think we can all agree about that. Unless you don´t like ham or bisquits.”
    Yes, he cannot single-handedly do crap about much, but he is in too visible and important of a position to embrace this predominantly-WTF´d trope. Why worry about what will jibe with those unenlightened Xians and not enlightened moderates and lefties (a few of whom, I think, voted for him)?
    Yes, I think politicking requires tact and even deceit to a certain degree, but this goes beyond what many of us expected, hoped and thought we were getting into when we crawled in bed with him.
    I DO hope he gets enough splinters that he has to plant his feet more firmly. That to me is leadership and not followershipofopinionship.
    Love you, Obamal(TM), so I still put up with this hangover, because Mccainex(TM) gives you cancer among other much more harmful side effects.
    Also, what [re=633153]Canuck13652[/re] said that Egan said.

  • JSDC007

    He loves us, he loves us not, he loves us, he loves us not . . .

  • you didn’t ask, but

    [re=633168]BklynIlluminati[/re]: Brooklyn ill in the motherfucking house. Not that you need it but I got your back.

    Hey, it’s fun to slug it out/hug that shit out with Wonkster compadres and I get the passion on the left side for sure. Many people feel that Obama should be more progressive but he’s always been a centrist to me. And if he leaned as left side as I am, shit I’d be happier but I also have no fucking chance of being president so there’s that. Super Lefty Barry = The whole Congress and White House (maybe even several state houses) would be hunkered down with their barely there margin and *nothing* would happen as the Pubs are completely united in their evil fucking ways. Fact is, shit is getting done even when you don’t see Barry’s hands all over it.

    Also have to add, how obvious the fucking racial dogwhistles are for middle-of-the-road Barry. That’s all those right wing fucks have. Imagine if he was even lefter, that baiting shit would be even more insane. He’s trying to be above-that-fray but being that he had to give an extensive speech on race just to win the fucking *Democratic* primary, he’s treading carefully on all this “marginal community” shit. That’s fucked up!

    Sigh. I wish, often, he was more thugged out but about a month or so ago he said “ass” as in “knowing whose ass to kick” and the right wing fucks were calling him ghetto. Damn! That tightrope is fucking *slim*. Black man on a motherfucking wire!

    Group hug?

  • June Cleaver 2.0

    Come on, people. We all know he’s a closet supporter of gay marriage.

  • Toomush Infermashun

    Pretty sure it’s just the word “marriage”…pretty sure he’s thinking “walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, call it a homo…” Fuck you crazies want, anyway?…I’ve been married twice, can’t see that the word matters much…

  • Enslave the Whales

    Obamar has said right along that he doesn’t support same-sex marriage. He’s also said right along that we need to increase our military involvement in Afghanistan. I disagree with him on both these positions.

    However, in terms of voting for him or not, one has to ask the question: Is there another candidate, with an actual shot at winning, who holds different positions?

  • Dean Booth

    Obama’s dancing with a guy, but he doesn’t know he’s supposed to lead.

  • Starrigavan

    I voted for this Uncle Tom to lead our country? A black man who won’t stand up for equality under the law? Because it might piss off the bigots who voted against him? WTF?

    First we had the economic collapse. Not his fault. But a perfect opportunity to lead the nation in a new direction. He was too busy being bipartisan. And the Republicans voted against everything anyway.

    Then we had the military fiascos in Afghanistan and Iraq. Again, not his fault. But again, trying to find a bipartisan path out of the mess. When one side is saying “enough is enough” and the other side is chanting “Crusade! Crusade!” non-stop.

    Then there’s the ecological holocaust in the Gulf of Mexico. Again, not so much his fault. But again, another perfect opportunity to lead is lost. If there was ever a “man on the moon by the end of this decade” moment for sustainable energy in the USA, that was it. In ten years gas will be $8 a gallon and we’ll still be driving hummers with the air conditioning blasting because it’s so damn hot.

    And finally, the opportunity to stand up for civil rights comes and Obama’s trying to placate both sides. He supports equality in theory, just not in practice. Thats funny, because I support democrats in theory, but it doesn’t look like I’m voting for one in 2012.

    Does this man want to be remembered as a great president who happened to be black, or just as the first black president?

  • Tar and Feahers

    Seriously though, is Obama saying “I support gay marriage” going to make it happen any quicker or is it just going to make you/us feel better? If it’s just a calculation let him calculate. Any preznit that says what I want to hear is never going to get elected in the first place.

    (I’m looking at you Kucinich, you cute little elf, you!)

    But I get the anger too. Does anybody remember Clinton saying that pot should be legal in an interview right after leaving office? It still pisses me off. The difference here is that Gay marriage will be a done deal before Obama leaves office.

  • Bearbloke

    [re=633297]Tar & Feahers[/re]: As the top-ranking 1)Black, 2)Male, 3)Protestant, 4)Hetero, 5)Military commander in the US govt, O’bammer’s got quite a bit on his plate – so, perhaps he needs a little more slack…

  • LindsayBluth

    Barry’s not pandering to the GOP at all. There is one very important group that is generally both pro-Obama and anti-gay marriage; African American religious zealots. They don’t make up a large voting bloc, but they are influential (the preachers in particular) and will be among those hoofing it door to door for him in the 2012 campaign when disillusioned progressives like me are sitting home thinking, “meh.” (Although if his opponent is terrifying enough, I could probably still get motivated to walk the streets begging people to vote for him, offering hand job bribes if necessary.)

  • Oblios Cap


    “Tao”? Alvin, is that you?

  • Snarko Marx

    [re=632903]13ollocks To The Rules[/re]: Can’t get splinters in cojones that he doesn’t have.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    [re=632980]La Cieca[/re]: I’m with you: where’s the upside to his making a big ol’ let’s-all-get-gay-married statement? He can’t change anything about California, no matter what the Tea Baggers believe.

    And I’m, ahem, gayer than thou, so…

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