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August 4, 2010

9/11: A State Of Mind, or a Real Place?

by Lauri Apple  

9/11!Your Wonkette sold her teevee to buy new Blingee features and also send $$ to SarahPAC, so she can’t watch the motion-picture news anymore on an actual TrueTube. But a helpful tipster sent this picture of their own teevee broadcasting a CNN news reel, with very interesting information in the “DEVELOPING STORY” box: Apparently, Manhattan’s new Cordoba House/Islamic terror resort and nightclub-mosque is going to be built not only near Ground Zero, but also “near 9/11.” What does it mean?

Is the mosque going to be built on September 10, 2001, or September 12, 2001? Is there a parallel universe/alternate reality dimension thingie (it’s either like Albert Camus’s Myth of Sisyphus or the Bill Murray Groundhog Day documentary) where 9/11 happens daily, on repeat, and we just can’t witness and experience this because we live in “the post-9/11 world?” Is this some sort of thing you have to be “an Einstein” to understand? Is there a commemorative bodega called “9/11″? Ex-Mayor Rudy Guiliani seems to live in a permanent “9/11″ state — does the CNN news box mean to say that Guiliani is moving somewhere close by?

Come on, CNN — stop creating mysteries and start fostering more understanding. [Family Security Matters]

{ 51 comments }

biscuits August 4, 2010 at 10:36 am

Maybe it has something to do with Cox?

Troubledog August 4, 2010 at 10:41 am

Everyone knows the Jews did 9/11. I’d be upset if they were building a five hundred foot menorah.

ManchuCandidate August 4, 2010 at 10:42 am

9/11 is a date not a place.

OMG!!!

This Cordoba House is another TARDIS, but instead of a Brit police box it’s a Muslin Terrorist House.

Fucking Time Lords and their Muslin companions.

JMP August 4, 2010 at 10:42 am

It’s simple: according to, yes, Einstein, and those who’ve built on his work, time is just a dimension, and can mathematically be treated just the same as the ten spacial dimensions. So CNN is just transposing the temporal coordinate 9/11 into a spacial one, which is fine in physics. Just not everyday language.

Baldar T Flagass August 4, 2010 at 10:45 am

I thought this got canceled because there are no synagogues in Mecca. I also thought that they canceled the construction of all Catholic churches too, because no synagogues in Vatican City, also.

weejee August 4, 2010 at 10:47 am

Rudi is a papist so he already is used to this kneeling stuff the Protestants and Jews skip. All he has to do is give up the rail and let hiz knees rest on the rug while he bashes his head on the sacred ground and everyone can call him a muslin too, also, likewise. This is pretty much what he’s been doin’ the past 9 years. Hell, he had so much experience kneeling and bashing his head on 9/11 that he could be a mullah.

V572625694 August 4, 2010 at 10:47 am

I guess that 767 that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 was just a coinky-dink.

OKLAHOMAjesus? August 4, 2010 at 10:48 am

I think it’s about time the muslins get somethin’ to celebrate. Celebrating might put them in a better mood, then they might forget to bomb us moar.

freakishlystrong August 4, 2010 at 10:49 am

What does this mean? It means eight more weeks of feigned outrage by Presidents Palin and Gingrich.

slappypaddy August 4, 2010 at 10:57 am

9/11 is so high, you can’t get over it. it is so wide, you can’t get around it. it is so deep, you can’t get under it. it is everywhere. 9/11 is the secret name of god.

oops. i said the secret name of god.

red sky August 4, 2010 at 10:59 am

[re=631686]JMP[/re]: Seems your relying on a bit of String Theory with your 10 dimensions (I think they’re up to 12 or 13 these days, plus the fact that gravity doesn’t exist), but yes, 9/11 is now a location. Maybe they just mean between 9th and 11th Street? The real truth is that they’re not building a mosque, it’s the new headquarters for the North American Caliphate, coming soon to a jihad near you!!!!

donner_froh August 4, 2010 at 11:01 am

Axe Rudy Giuliani.

13ollocks To The Rules August 4, 2010 at 11:01 am

[re=631685]ManchuCandidate[/re]: Doctor Who ah Akbar!!!

mumblyjoe August 4, 2010 at 11:03 am

[re=631685]ManchuCandidate[/re]: I hear that when the muslin Time Lords regenerate, they get 42 companions. TRUFAX.

Limeylizzie August 4, 2010 at 11:03 am

Can I tell you , Dearest Wonketteers, how heartily sick I am of these characters, from states that loathe everything about my beloved New York City , except for the Disneyficated places? They opine on how awful it would be to have the Islamist/terrorists/Muslins anywhere near Ground Zero and yet they don’t understand that that is precisely what makes New York the most wonderful place in the world. They are the ones who made Ground Zero the foul tourist trap that it is, those of us who lost friends there and experienced the terror of being under siege that day , don’t go anywhere near the place , we don’t have to, we remember every awful fucking moment of 9/11. I wonder how they would feel if I went to Kansas or Tennessee and screamed about how being obese means the terrorists have won. Fuck them.

groove August 4, 2010 at 11:04 am

Yeah, didn’t you know: “9/11″ is the new “fuck.” It has multitudes of conjugations and forms. It is a date, a place, an event, an adjective, a verb, a slogan, and an internet meme, amongst other things.

“Yo dawg, I heard you liked to 9/11 so I 9/11′ed in your 9/11 so you can 9/11 near the 9/11.”

BigDupa August 4, 2010 at 11:08 am

Settle down people. It’s just a type-o. CNN meant to say it would be built near a 7/11.

Serolf Divad August 4, 2010 at 11:15 am

Wait… didn’t the homosexuals cause 9/11? I say we close down all theaters in NY just so the families of the victims of 9/11 don’t have to constantly be reminded of the fact that the gays killed their loved ones every time they walk by an off-broadway production of Rent.

proudgrampa August 4, 2010 at 11:18 am
JMP August 4, 2010 at 11:18 am

Ooh, baby, do you know what that’s worth? 9/11 is a place on Earth.

[re=631695]red sky[/re]: As far as I know it’s still 11 these days; one time dimension and ten space. Gravity exists, but unlike everything else is not stuck to our three dimensional brane but can travel in all dimensions, explaining why it’s so week compared to the other forces.

[re=631699]Limeylizzie[/re]: And note that, with the sole exception of Rudy 911uianiall the actual New Yorkers; including the actual elected officials in charge of zoning in the neighborhood; are non-bigots who have no problem with the mosque.

PrimlyStable August 4, 2010 at 11:24 am

[re=631702]BigDupa[/re]: Or that the credit crunch has forced the local 7/11 to cut its hours in order to reduce staffing costs.

proudgrampa August 4, 2010 at 11:25 am

[re=631707]JMP[/re]: C’mon. Everybody knows that gravity doesn’t exist — the Earth sucks.

snoidoid August 4, 2010 at 11:27 am

9/11 has become a place. A holy place. The holiest place in Manhattan for the Demagogue-ing Right. It is their Mecca.

Oh, um, wait.

Tundra Grifter August 4, 2010 at 11:27 am

I think it’s pretty obvious “near 9/11″ means either 9/10 or 9/12.

Or, of course, 8/11 or 10/11.

DC Hates Me August 4, 2010 at 11:29 am

What’s going on at the FSM link? It’s like Wonkette in another dimension. Sarcasm isn’t funny and everyone has a PhD in terrorism. A Drudge/Malkin production.

madtowngooner August 4, 2010 at 11:32 am

It’s near Platform 9 and 3/4s

PrimlyStable August 4, 2010 at 11:35 am

[re=631727]Tundra Grifter[/re]: Or 11/9. Which, if you remove the slash, is THE SAME NUMBER OF TIMES JOHN BOEHNER WENT GOLFING LAST YEAR.

Just sayin’ and all.

queeraselvis v 2.0 August 4, 2010 at 11:42 am

[re=631736]PrimlyStable[/re]: Dan Brown called, is interested in your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

mardam422 August 4, 2010 at 11:45 am

Time is nothing more than a fourth dimension of space. There is nothing inherently prohibited about time travel. So maybe these terrist mooslims have a time machine and will build their terrist center on 9/10 so as better to guide in the terrist airplanes.

I KNEW IT!!1 It’s even better than having mooslim women give birth to terrist babies and then send them here 20yrs from now. Build a guidance beacon on 9/10 in a time machiney sort of thing.

God!!1 They are so DEVIOUS!!1

Cape Clod August 4, 2010 at 11:45 am

Since the Mosque is not actually being built on the former WTC site, has anyone asked these geniuses how far away the Corodoba House needs to be in order not to offend their delicate, non-resident sensibilities?

Redhead August 4, 2010 at 11:47 am

To be fair, they didn’t say, “near 9/11/01,” so maybe construction starts on 9/10/’10, or 9/09/’12, or something. It is CNN and not Faux News.

Or maybe they meant the mosque will be built nearly 911 miles away from most of the people protesting it (since it seems like most New Yorkers don’t actually care).

artpepper August 4, 2010 at 11:47 am

[re=631730]DC Hates Me[/re]: OMG. “Welcome to Mosquehattan!” – and it gets worse. This time the Onion has gone too far.

x111e7thst August 4, 2010 at 11:50 am

[re=631699]Limeylizzie[/re]: They suffer from 9/11 envy. Dismal Seepage, Rabbit Hash and the rest of the pathetic little twarfs that Real Murricans live in are only going to have terrorisms if the Real Murricans get off their lawn furniture and commit the aforesaid themselves. No one else cares. Hell no one else knows these fucking places even exist.

just pixels August 4, 2010 at 11:55 am

Obviously “near 9/11″ is just an artifact of that antique narrow screen teevee. On the wide screen — aka “normal”, aka “Fox” — teevee it says “Islamic fatwah factory and terrorist base camp to be built within rocket range of 9/11 hero garden”.

DemmeFatale August 4, 2010 at 11:56 am

[re=631699]Limeylizzie[/re]: True. Fuck them, (and their tragedy-porn, right-wing bigoted bullshit), indeed.

groove August 4, 2010 at 12:00 pm

[re=631747]Cape Clod[/re]: “What the hell? Another mosque? Don’t they have enough git-danged mosques over there in the middle east?! What’s wrong with those that they can’t go over there and use those perfectly good ones?”

BlueStateLiberal August 4, 2010 at 12:07 pm

[re=631699]Limeylizzie[/re]: Yeah, what is up with that? It’s always the idiot mid-Westeners flocking to Ground Zero, no one who lived in the area or lost anyone there wants anything to do with it.

PrimlyStable August 4, 2010 at 12:07 pm

[re=631747]Cape Clod[/re]: Canada, presumably.

Limeylizzie August 4, 2010 at 12:10 pm

[re=631755]x111e7thst[/re]: Dismal Seepage must be where David Vitter has his country place, n’est ce pas?

Limeylizzie August 4, 2010 at 12:13 pm

[re=631780]BlueStateLiberal[/re]: It is on their list of things to see , probably right after FAO Schwartz and the Times Square Olive Garden.

Johnny Zhivago August 4, 2010 at 12:15 pm

Given that half of Americans couldn’t even tell you the DATE of 9/11, it is no surprise that it could be used to describe anything in the space time continuum.

WhatTheHeck August 4, 2010 at 12:21 pm

[re=631699]Limeylizzie[/re]: Just brilliantly stated.

Limeylizzie August 4, 2010 at 12:37 pm

[re=631802]WhatTheHeck[/re]: Thank-you, it was heartfelt, I am repulsed by all their faux outrage .

Extemporanus August 4, 2010 at 12:38 pm

Hey, at least 9/11 has underground parking.

Mad Brahms August 4, 2010 at 12:57 pm

[re=631818]Extemporanus[/re]: Yeah, but they had to close the roof, because people were using it as a mosque. D`oh!

[re=631699]Limeylizzie[/re]: Really, snarklessly, this whole 9/11 mosque thing is someone`s thesis in geography / anthro just waiting to happen. The issues of scale at play here are sort of fascinating, with the idea that a local event confined to a specific place is owned as part of a *national* trauma, thus allowing fly-over-zoners to somehow decide what is / isn’t appropriate use of space thousands of miles away.

On a less academic level, I totally agree: it’s fucking annoying.

GOPCrusher August 4, 2010 at 1:13 pm

Between Newt Gingrich stating that the Muslims should be allowed to build a Mosque near the World Trade Center site when a church is allowed to be built in Saudi Arabia and Monica Crowley stating that allowing a mosque to be built would signal the Muslims victory over the United States, I’m beginning to think that some people believe we are in a Holy War.

mustardman August 4, 2010 at 1:26 pm

Jebus titty fucking christ. You people every hear of Tevo! Not the trailer trash equivalent of taking a picture of your tv with your friggin cell phone!

Tcaalaw August 4, 2010 at 1:44 pm

[re=631747]Cape Clod[/re]: Since the Mosque is not actually being built on the former WTC site, has anyone asked these geniuses how far away the Corodoba House needs to be in order not to offend their delicate, non-resident sensibilities?

Matt Yglesias parsed the public statements of Newt Gingrinch and came up with a map in this post:

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/07/newt-gingrich-clarifies-thoughts-on-mosque-exclusion-zone-questions-remain/

GOPCrusher August 4, 2010 at 2:49 pm

[re=631873]mustardman[/re]: I believe the term you were searching for is Tivo. Tevo is a transvestite Devo cover band.

meufchelou August 4, 2010 at 2:58 pm

AS one who shares Limeylizzie’s sentiments, just want to warn you all that you have been duped by annoying media types. It’s not a mosque it’s a islamic cultural center!

But hey, it’s still Muslin, not murikan.

Speed Ball August 4, 2010 at 10:03 pm

[re=631699]Limeylizzie[/re]: Thank you.

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