Liberal Speaker of the House Nancy “the Fancy” Pelosi got the shout-down treatment at the Campaign for America’s Future conference yesterday, and by fellow liberals! Pelosi only wanted to thank everyone for helping to get the ObamaCare program passed, but had to endure yelling and maybe even some crap thrown at her? Is this how we show “gratitude” nowadays?
Apparently so! After last summer’s “health care shout-ins,” it is now improper to attend any sort of health care-related public meeting involving an elected official, without screaming at or insulting them. Yesterday’s yellers reportedly included a group of Code Pinkos who want Pelosi to “stop funding Israel terror,” and people chanting “Our homes, not nursing homes!” while wearing “more orange-ish than pink-colored” T-shirts. Watch Pelosi try to calm the storm:
There were bodyguards and middle-finger flashes and panic attacks all around. Even Howard Dean, the O.G. of all things screamy-growly, showed up, to take back liberalism from the White House. But being the tough gal she is, Pelosi stood her ground:
Leaders of the conference tried to take the speaker backstage until the disturbance could be quelled, but she brushed them off: “I’m not leaving. I’m not leaving,” she said. “You have made your point. I’m going to give my speech over your voices.”
We checked Pelosi’s brand-new Twitter machine to see if she had any post-brouhaha reactions, but so far she seems to be taking a restrained approach to using America’s most exciting social media platform.
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Now I know what it was like at the Fifth International or whatever the last big commie get together was called. Thanks for the history lesson, Firebaggers.
and Nancy, I love you and sent you an email expressing my adoration. I hope you got it.
Dear lefty fuckwits: Are you really sure you want to hand over control of Congress to the Rethugricans? Really, get a grip. Now.
Jesus, haven’t we already put those addled little Move On fucks into their maximum security playpens yet? How did they get out? I am so fucking tired of these little twits. Are they for real, or just fifth-columnists for the Palin/Jindal ticket? Assholes.
These are the little fuckers who kept flogging Ralph Nader for prez, and see where that got us.
Not that I am fucking pissed off or anything.
The heckling was so bad, I couldn’t hear a word. Literally.
Linky not working. But it is a sad day when Nancy can’t get the better of screaming idiots. Socialism is making her soft.
well, as long as we can keep funding terror everywhere else.
It would be nice if the anger at Democratic leaders from the Left would get the right-wing media and politicians to stop claiming any and all Dems, no matter how conservative, are far extreme left-wing socialist communists; but that’s never gonna happen, look at the Republican Gov candidate below calling Barbara Boxer of all people an extreme lefty.
Whoo-hoo! Go Nancy! She deflected the long hooks that were trying to drag her backstage; meanwhile, judges in orange-not-quite-pink t-shirts battle to see who gets to hit the gong!
That is some tough broad; I can only HOPE that I’m that armored and gritty in my dotage.
That pretty well encapsulates most politicians’ attitudes towards their constituents–”yeah, yeah, I heard ya. Now shut up and let me do my thing.” That thing, of course, is usually making life easier and better for big pharma, big oil, big whatever. On the other hand, given the fats, bitters, olds, baggers, and generally nutball frothy-mouthers that show up for these events, I can’t totally condemn most politicians’ inclination to dismiss them.
Was that a senile Donald Sutherland wandering around behind our pal Nancy?
[re=595301]DangerousLiberal[/re]: The only way to get most politicians to do the right thing is to threaten their livelihoods, and if embarrassing them in public works, I’m all for it.
And I voted for Nader in 2000 because he was saying the right things, and did not appear to be the corporate shill or doormat that Al Gore appeared to be. Al looks better now, and Ralph worse, but in 2000 Ralph was heads above Al in anti-corporate rhetoric. So STFU and GOI.
Fire, meet Baggers. And they are just as much of a disgrace.
[re=595301]DangerousLiberal[/re]: If you’re going to condemn Nader voters for letting Dubya slip into the White House, you should also thank them for keeping Lieberman away from it. The good comes with the bad.
This is why the left in this country is a colossal goatfuck failure.
Excellent. This is feeding Sean Assity’s narrative (that he ran down breathlessly last night) that the Democratic party is becoming increasingly unpopular and will get creamed in November. While he ought to be warning his listeners that that rumbling they hear is the left coming out of the tiger cage it was trapped in for almost a decade, he’s brewing complacency instead. This election is going to be so much fun.
[re=595315]snoidoid[/re]: The problem is you need to do the right thing at the right *time* or it fails. What the Move On / Firebagger crowd fails to grasp is that with all the “soshulism!” rhetoric floating around, revolution is not going to come overnight, and ramming reform down people’s throats is hardly the way. I’m downright socialistic myself in many ways, but I’m also a pragmatist.
Nader tapped in to populist rhetoric entirely disconnected from reality. I remember when he proposed raising the minimum wage to $10/hour, something laughably awful to anyone with even the most facile grasp of economics.
[re=595315]snoidoid[/re]: Screaming at somebody makes the screamer look the immature fool. It’s easy to get hopping mad at politicians when you’re sitting in the cheap seats – it’s a hell of a lot harder when you’re faced with reality. That’s what a lot of these people lack, a grounding in the “real world”. A bunch of fuckin’ brats really.
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Stone fucking cold.
I remember when the final Obamacare vote in the House was held. I was listening on the radio and they were interviewing one of the Dems, I can’t remember who, and he recalled how he was by Nancy I think in the Coat Check room, and Boehner was at the podium pulling his whole “Hell No You Can’t!” bullshit. And this guy was getting more and more angry because Rep. Faketan, was going ballistic on Pelosi while she wasn’t even in the room, and he was going to say something, when Pelosi just kind of like shook her head. Waited for Boner to finish his diatribe, plastered that smile on her face, and went out and did what she had to do.
From everything I’ve read and seen of her, she’s a goddamn machine, unflappable, and as professional as shit. I really respect that.
[re=595328]SayItWithWookies[/re]: I seriously think you and I may be the only two right now that believe November won’t be as bad as all the village and rightwing asspundits would like everyone to believe.
Ralph Nader is the reason we invaded Iraq and tortured people and have a deep water drilling clusterfuck. Period. Fuck these fucktards.
[re=595328]SayItWithWookies[/re]: [re=595335]I_KILL_ZOMBIES_ALSO[/re]: No, I’m with you, though I do think dems may well lose a few seats. It won’t be a bloodbath, though, because the baggers really are just too far out there to hold up in a real contest outside of Utah. But of course no matter what happens we know Erik of Erik’s Son and company will mark it up as a huge victory anyway, because of ??? or something.
[re=595332]Toonces[/re]: There’s a reason we laugh at the teabaggers when they interrupt congressfolks’ speeches to scream “SOCIALISM!” and the like; the Code Pink people are just as obnoxious, but in a way worse for liberals, because they make the rest of us look like a bunch of unhinged hippie kooks.
Please, Code Pinkers, go away at leave the insane stunts to the wignuts.
SCREECHOUT 2010! Pink vs. Stink!11! THIS TIME IT’S FOR ALL THE MARBLES. Then all of you go the fuck away.
It’s been said many times, but if you ask anyone on Capitol Hill, in Pelosi’s office, or anywhere in Washington, it’s not even about politics and issues concerning Pelosi–it’s just that she’s a very cold, un-warm, unkind, unfunny, very off-putting, negative-energy type of person, and people just do not like her. She has a terrible personality. The same goes for Reid–it’s not just about politics, and issues, but his personality. Many people support their politics and stands on issues, but as for them, personally? People just want to boo them.
As for the health bill, liberals as well as conservatives and independents are upset, and increasingly upset, about the tenet which actually requires people to buy health insurance–one of the most insanely stupid provisions, rules, requirements or laws to come down the pike in decades. No one–liberal or not–should be required to buy health care. No one.
That’s what people are pissed about.
This section of the law is being legally challenged in at least 14 states, and the opposition crosses all political, party and partisan lines.
[re=595336]comicbookguy[/re]: Plus Al-the-Quitter couldn’t win Tenne-fucking-see, to be fair.
[re=595355]V572625694[/re]: Yeah, this is totally true; the man had the charisma of a sea slug at the time. He’s much more energetic now that he’s all worshiping gaia’s womb and shit, though!
[re=595349]thefrontpage[/re]: Pelosi is a model of cold, robotic efficiency. I’ve seen her live, and it’s impossible not to see her as creepy or even disingenuous. But that which makes her a PR liability also makes her a stellar legislator: see also *actually pushing the bill, imperfect though it was, through*
And I’ll agree with you that forcing individuals to buy private insurance if they can afford it was basically a giant gift to corporate america. But along with it came the first real regulatory overhaul of the industry in decades, and that’s worth something. A lot, actually.
The Republicans are fucking insane war-criminals but the Dems aren’t much better, Obama has been a huge disappointment on so many levels, and I say this as a life-long Dem. I see nothing wrong with trying to hold leaders accountable and expressing displeasure at their fucked up policies.
Don’t forget:
Right wing protesters yelling things at politicians = patriots.
Left wing protesters yelling things at politicians = lunatics.
[re=595338]Mad Brahms[/re]: And if the Dems had a political genius in their toolbox, they could pick up seats.
Check
Step 1. Rebrand “Small Government” which is responded to positively generally, as “Impotent Government” or “Toothless Government” or “Inadequate Government” or “Completely Fucking useless,worthless, ineffectual, ‘this never happened before’ government”. Whatever polls the worst.
Step 2. Correctly blame the economic collapse, the West Virginia mining catastrophe, and the ongoing Gulf Oil Spill on term decided upon in Step 1.
Step 3. Win a lot of elections.
Step 4. Pay me ten million dollars in political consulting fees.
Updated, from the 2010 edition of the Fox News Handbook:
Conservative groups yelling things at politicians = protesters.
Liberal groups yelling things at politicians = hecklers.
Aw, she should’ve gone with the classic, “I don’t come down to where you work and slap the dick out of your mouth.”
Am I saying that Kathy Griffin should play Pelosi in the Obama Musical? I’m saying you could do a lot worse.
[re=595355]V572625694[/re]: Either way he was reduced to saying in late 2002, “Hey, maybe it wouldn’t be such a good idea to invade Iraq. We might turn it into a lawless shooting spree with looters and refugees and no way out, and I don’t think there’s a real nuclear weapons program there anyway” to an audience in San Francisco, and then promptly dismissed because what the hell does he know anyway?
Anyone who thinks Al would have been no better than Dubya needs to look around, take a deep breath, and punch themselves in the nuts.
[re=595315]snoidoid[/re]: Ralph may have been way more anti-corporate, but anybody who couldn’t see the other important differences between Gore and Bush even then was too busy congratulating themselves on how awesomely independent-thinking they were to bother looking.
[re=595315]snoidoid[/re]: How’d that whole gettin’ Bush elected thing work out for ya?
[re=595379]Mad Brahms[/re]: [re=595349]thefrontpage[/re]: Your are forced to buy car insurance if you want to drive a car…and actually you aren’t forced to buy health insurance anyway, just pay the fine instead, or be poor, and it doesn’t apply to you…
Without the mandate the whole thing doesn’t work because of some reason that will take too much to explain.
Personally, I think we should just go single-payer and get the insurance crooks out of it, but that ain’t happening…
Truck Nutz.
Psssst, Mr and Mrs. Panties-in-a-Wad. Its fine to yell shit at your politicians. But do it BEFORE the legislation passes – when they can be influenced. Screaming about health care now makes you look like fucking insane person. Start screaming about ENERGY POLICY!!! or FUCK THE BANKERS!!!! but not about last year’s issue.
Thank you.
[re=595338]Mad Brahms[/re]: [re=595384]I_KILL_ZOMBIES_ALSO[/re]: Hell, I think the Dems will actually pick up a few seats in the House and probably hold in the Senate. The Republicans are completely unaware of two things: How much they’ve branded themselves as the party against every single kind of reform for the past two years, and how split they really are as a party. They’ve completely alienated the swing voters by opposing financial reform and healthcare reform and lumping stupid tax cuts for the rich onto the Recovery Act, and the Teabagger/Club for Growth movement has created so many challenges from the lunatic right that a good number of Republican candidates are legitimately fringers who in a normal election cycle would be voting for whoever wants to bomb the Chinese. Now they’re running for office. I think Republicans are going to be mighty surprised at how much support they’ve driven away.
Welcome back to the ’60s and early ’70s, when most people knew that radical leftists and liberals are mortal enemies. Radical leftists want REVOLUTION, not reform. The election of conservative assholes helps that along by increasing oppression, while reformist liberals prevent it.
Not saying Code Pink and Move On are ALL radical leftists, but there’s no shortage of such in their membership.
This is how they do it in England.
YEAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHH!
Also, agreed with everyone above about Pelosi just being an amazing political operator in general. Despite how [re=595349]some[/re] might dislike her impassive facade, she’s more or less exactly what a politician should be: ice cold, methodical, relentless, just cynical enough, etc. It’s what has made Pelosi one of the most effective House Speakers in history.
Less like the Firedog/Moveon Pinkers, and moar like this plz.
[re=595315]snoidoid[/re]: Ya, but it was clear even at the time that voting for Ralph was a really bad idea if you lived in any state where it mattered. I voted for Nader because I lived in Alaska and that was the best use of my vote. I hope that you lived in a likewise forgone conclusion state or else you helped destroy America.
[re=595415]Lazy Media[/re]: Well, if you rate personal feelings of smugness and intellectual superiority over the well-being of literally the entirety of America, then I guess it turned out pretty awesome.
[re=595315]snoidoid[/re]: Can’t believe you voted for Nader. Thanks for 8 yrs of Bush.
[re=595325]edgydrifter[/re]: Come now. Merkins wouldn’t elect a Jewish President.
[re=595335]I_KILL_ZOMBIES_ALSO[/re]: No, I believe it too. I think conventional “wisdom” for this election cycle is completely wrong. This isn’t going to be a blood bath by any stretch.
Jesus. The Teabaggers of the Left.
At least they aren’t obese.
It’s as if the Code Pinkers are telling each other: “The teabaggers scream and stamp their feet like infants and THEY get more ideologically pure candidates to win their primaries! Why not us?”
/fart joke
[re=595349]thefrontpage[/re]: Jackass. The health care bill doesn’t require ANYBODY to buy health care. It requires that you have health INSURANCE. Why? Because 40 million uninsured people are currently buying the most expensive health CARE there is, and I’m paying for it in increased premiums, which leads companies like mine to drop employer paid health insurance, which leads to more uninsured, which increases the premiums for those few of us left. ObamaCare may not be the answer, but if you’re not informed enough to understand the difference between health care and health insurance, you’re not allowed to debate.
These protesters really got their message across. I agree that “nursing homes have got to go” since I really hate that old people smell.
They also made a powerful argument in favor of “blergle yarble GLARGH HEBNER”, I mean how can you disagree with that? Really, how can you?
Yes indeedy, that’s some effective messaging. I’m sure Pelosi rushed off to work on the new Blergle Act To Shut Down Nursing Homes right after her speech.
[re=595438]jennx[/re]: Which is EXACTLY the smug bullshit attitude that turned a few voters away from Gore in 2000. Let’s revisit those heady days of yore, shall we? What could have cost Gore the election? Illegal campaign contributions going to Republicans that swelled their coffers? No! It was Nader! Terribly gerrymandered districts purpose-built swing Republican? Insufficient polling places in areas where lower socioeconomic strata and/or minority groups were concentrated? Illegal purges of voter rolls to further block participation in those same areas? The inability of Floridian retards to navigate that tricky butterfly ballot? Republican operatives storming the local precinct offices? The Supreme Court crapping on the Constitution and trying suuuuper hard to repress their giggles as they smeared it in our faces? No! It was Nader! Nader! Nader!
But, hey, you all really seem to be enjoying that chicken, so by all means keep pegging away at it.
[re=595384]I_KILL_ZOMBIES_ALSO[/re]: Will you take a check?
I remember when Pelosi really took control of the situation and accomplished something during a time of turmoil and contention. It stands out in the memory, like when that airship in New Jersey had a whoopsie while docking and went up like, well, a hydrogen bomb. But at least she frightens small dogs, unlike the limp penis in the other House. She has about as much control of the room as a hooded Klansman in the Apollo Theater.
Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria — does anyone want to put a few ducats behind the rock-hard certainty of Republicans NOT picking up a few seats this time around? This is the country that elected Reagan twice, remember.
Personally, I don’t think Code Pink’s tactics are going to put the brakes on America’s moronic war and torture death spiral, but then again, electing a Democratic president and Congress doesn’t seem to have helped either.
Not to single out Pelosi, but I find it difficult to summon much sympathy for the prospect of the amoral swine who are responsible for predator drones, Guantanamo, Bagram, etc. being yelled at by a bunch of incoherent anger bears.
[re=595467]edgydrifter[/re]: Oh bullshit.
One of those things is not like the other,
One of those things
Doesn’t belong
Can you guess which thing
Is not like the other by the time I…
Oh fine, do you want a hint? 7 of 8 of the factors mentioned in your post were Republicans working to screw the election over. The eighth is the liberals screwing themselves (I’m sure it’s been mentioned to you before, but the votes for Nader in Florida made up the difference in the bullshit initial tally between Gore and Bush’s votes in Florida. Meaning if Gore had Nader’s votes, he would have won even before a recount).
If I ever run into one of the assholes responsible for the de facto rigging of the Florida election in 2000, I will push their fucking face in guaranteed. If you’re trying to assert that they’re the bigger scumbags here, then sure. That doesn’t mean that I’ll respect the (stupid) decision to vote for Ralph Nader in a contested state in 2000. Fuck that.
Have “we” elected a bunch of effin’ babies? So much whining and crying and name calling nowadays. Or, was I just not looking closely enough before??
wow, not a lot of snark on the comments page, just bitters clinging to their naders and their butterfly ballots.
[re=595467]edgydrifter[/re]: And of all the things you listed, which one of those could realistically have been fixed in 2000 by we the people, to keep Bush out of office? Nader!
On one of the PUMA sites there was a call for people to show up at the speech to heckle Pelosi. Becuause Hillary is 44!! And the ERA! End femicide! Obama isn’t!
[re=595418]mookworthjwilson[/re]: [re=595462]Dog Trombone[/re]: I meant what this guy said, and “go single payer” and of course, “Truck Nutz!!”
[re=595310]hoosiermama[/re]: Rubbish. If Nancy Pelosi were tough, she’d be President. Nasty old bat.
[re=595325]edgydrifter[/re]: There is much in what you say, BUT even Lieberman could not have managed to do the damage Cheney has done and continues to foster.
[re=595653]llibra[/re]: Troof. The degree to which Bush was a worse choice than Gore was dwarfed by the degree to which Cheney was a worse choice than Lieberman. And that’s saying a shit-ton.
[re=595384]I_KILL_ZOMBIES_ALSO[/re]: Seriously, e-mail your comment to Barry. Azlerod is sooo overpaid.
[re=595349]thefrontpage[/re]: I think this whole Nancy Pelosi is cold line of argument is weak. I don’t think people were lining up to have a beer with Denny Hastert or Newt Gingrich. Besides these Code Pink dingbats would shout and protest at a brick wall.
Speakers of the House are supposed to push an agenda through the House. Nancy gets shit done. The end.
This should be a big cause of concern for policy because of all the influence Code Pink has had on Democratic issues lately. Like they way they got Democrats to…umm…well..ummm….And then there was the way they ran Code Pink candidates who seriously challenged….ummm……
Well, since Code Pink is based in San Francisco, they at least put a scare in her for over her re-election campaign as they prevented her from being the first Congressman to win an election with 100% of the vote. Go Code Pink.
[re=595688]Hooray For Anything[/re]: Making a difference!
[re=595444]yellowdogdem[/re]: Why do you people go on like this? You sound like the partizans at Kos.
Bush was elected by the ELECTORAL COLLEGE, not no fucking popular election, which meant diddly squat. As Wikipedia notes, while it was the closest election ever, it was also the “fourth election in which the electoral vote did not reflect the popular vote.” Bush won over Gore 271 to 266. [my emphasis]
Jeezus Kriste on a Kracker. The sour grapes are distilling your brain cells.
Some people still aren’t happy about the fact that they haven’t received their unicorn they were promised for voting for Obama.
[re=595467]edgydrifter[/re]: However, at the end of the day, in spite of ALL of that fucked up crap, Gore STILL would have won… Were it not for Nader…
DAMN that’s a sexxxy chicken…
[re=595652]gurukalehuru[/re]: Yup, can’t argue with that. But I’d rather be a nasty, old bat than fragile old lady who’s easily led off stage to avoid confrontation.
I am sorry to interrupt the re-litigation of the Gore v Bush. I am over here just fucking dying laughing at the characterization of this shrill ladies, shrieking incoherently about nursing homes as “trying to hold leaders accountable.” I pity people in nursing homes more than I already did.
Wow. And now I am sad.
Fuck you, Wonkett.
[re=595463]Cicada[/re]: HENNGH?! HENNGH?!
[re=595664]June Cleaver 2.0[/re]: I really want to. I’m serious, this whole thing is frustrating, and I feel kind of like Dr. House up in this mofo. Because, if the village is even close to being right, America is about to quit its medicine before it’s done doing the job, and I feel like I need to stroll up in there with a cane, mock America, and then say, “you’re going to die if you don’t get back on your medicine, and no, there is no God or Heaven to comfort you when you do, so take the stupid pills.”
And the political answer is sitting there slapping ever Dem in the face with a four hundred pound penis with a Prince Albert, and no one seems to notice. A day or two after Rand Paul had his little moment where he got in a bunch of trouble saying racism in business was super cool and the invisible hand would come along and fix everything, civil rights hero Jim Clyburn was invited on Andrea Mitchell show on MSNBC to get his opinion on the whole matter. That interview should have cropped and cut up into commercials and handed out to every Dem campaign manager and strategist working this cycle.
In less than a minute, Clyburn accurately and deftly pointed out that all this small government bullshit that has been lauded as libertarianism and conservatism at its best is ONE OF THE MAJOR CONTRIBUTING FACTORS to everything from the economic collapse of 08 to the mine accident to the gulf spill. And it is. All these idiots talking about small government this and small government that are the same jackasses that want President Obama to do something about the spill in the gulf when THEIR OWN DAMN POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY FORBIDS IT. For the better part of the past three decades, Republicans have done everything they could to defang governmental oversight and regulation, and what happens? Near catastrophic economic meltdown, a mining disaster where the CEO of the company actually sent a fucking memo to his employees to ignore safety ops, their job was to run coal, and an MMS that, no shit, snorted coke with the people they were supposed to be regulating.
Oh, and the fucking oil spill.
So you want to win in November, you pin this shit on them. You make sure every single voter understands that what small government means is financial glut that results in ruin, it means corporations not adhering to basic safety precautions for the sake of profit, it means millions of barrels of oil stirring around in the gulf and skirting around Florida as we speak. Because you have no right to expect a government to work for you, if you keep electing people that don’t believe government should exist at all.
late to the game as always no idea what the wonkette chattering classes said about our lady of the mortified bitch from SF but i personally want more of this shit.
couture AND she could knock boehner down with an unsharpened pencil.
also:[re=595846]I_KILL_ZOMBIES_ALSO[/re]: yes.
[re=595846]I_KILL_ZOMBIES_ALSO[/re]: I wish you were whispering those sweet sweet words of advice (“nothings” didn’t work with what I was trying to express) into the ears of the people who decide how to do shit. I sometimes feel like Democrats have the political savvy of Trig, who for all intents and purposes is as well known, productive (in terms of shit and tears/snot), and effectual as the majority of the Dem party. I’m rooting for the Dems in most things, and yet so often the hoped for high five turns into a face-palm. They don’t need to hire political advisors, they need advertising wonks who understand how to frame messages for the intentionally/aggressively uninformed masses. They’ve got a winning platform a lot of the time!! They just consistently fuck up the sales pitch, and thus lose voters’ interest, and therefore lose power. It’s elementary.
[re=595462]Dog Trombone[/re]: Agreed. I recently had it explained to me in a way that made my hooray for health insurance reform turn into I haz a sad. 1: Health CARE in this country is astronomically expensive. 2: Therefore, people need health INSURANCE. 3: Health insurance companies are composting Satan’s garden with the lives of sick (and healthy) people and their employers, abetted by the govt. 4: Health insurance reform comes along and, among other things, makes more people able to join medicare, and does away with pre-existing condition exclusions. 5: Unfortunately, health CARE providers, faced with the choice of the sweet juicy cash monies paid to them by people with private health insurance, and the raisins given to them by medicare payouts, are totally allowed to turn away medicare patients seeking identical treatments. General practice doesn’t pay the big bucks, so all the doctors are specialists anymore anyway (specialist=more expensive). In addition, in order to avoid having people never buy health insurance UNTIL their leg falls off or they get cancer, thus forcing insurance companies to preemptively jack up EVERYONE’S premiums to cover them, congress mandates coverage for all (to fix that problem they made). 6: So YAY everyone can get insurance now or else!! Unfortunately, health CARE is going to be both harder to get and still way expensive, and without any real regulation of private health insurance prices, those premiums are going to go up precipitously too! Huzzah! I’m all for getting the ball rolling on reform and all that wheee!progress! stuff, but I’m now semi-convinced we just victoried ourselves into a bigger goatfuck than we had before. Before insurance reform is going to be worth fuck-all, we have to a) get more doctors, and b) lower the COST of healthcare. I’m not holding my breath – mostly because, despite having (deeply shitty) insurance right now, I still can’t actually afford the ambulance/ER if I asphyxiate myself with hope.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/20/rand-paul-blasted-by-civi_n_583640.html
Basically, start watching at 7 minutes in. He only pivots to the gulf spill, I must have credited him with the other stuff when he didn’t touch it. from about 7 minutes on, he pretty much writes the Democratic playbook for this election season.
Holy motherfucking shit, it’s nearly 10 years later and you people are STILL BLAMING NADER? Yet again, please NEVER FORGET why Bush got elected…it wasn’t because Nader got votes…it was because:
BUSH CHEATED
BUSH CHEATED
BUSH CHEATED
BUSH CHEATED
BUSH CHEATED
Katherine Harris and Kenneth Blackwell are why we had eight years of Bush, not because of some hippie voting for Nader!
(And, fair disclosure, I voted for Gore and Kerry. Nader’s personality kept me from ever considering to vote for him.)
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