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Jan Brewer’s Dad Did Not Die ‘Fighting the Nazis,’ No Matter What She Says

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The Jan Brewer remake will be against MexicansAmerica’s bravest Fighter of Mexicans, Arizona governor Jan Brewer, just can’t stop talking about all the good reasons to round up brown people and kill them. After all, didn’t the Nazis round up all the Jews and Catholics and Queers and Other Minorities and kill them? Exactly. Oh wait, but the Nazis were the Bad Guys? Jeez this is totally confusing. Okay, so Nazis should be hunted like Mexicans are hunted? This is starting to make sense — especially to Jan Brewer, who knows quite a lot about the sacrifices people make while fighting Nazis. Her father used to do that! Hell, he died doing that, which is super brave, in Nazi Germany. Only this is just a completely made-up bullshit lie and Jan Brewer should be buried alive beneath the Holocaust Museum.

Here’s what Brewer told the Arizona Republic:

“Knowing that my father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany, that I lost him when I was 11 because of that . . . and then to have them call me Hitler’s daughter. It hurts. It’s ugliness beyond anything I’ve ever experienced.”

But her dad died a decade after World War II, of lung cancer, and the closest he came to “fighting the Nazi regime in Germany” was working in a weapons plant in Nevada during the war.

Brewer’s press people are now saying of course that’s what happened, and Brewer very clearly meant that her dad worked in a weapons factory and was on disability afterward for respiratory problems he developed working in the munitions factory — just like Indiana Jones, basically. [Arizona Republic/Political Wire]

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A writer and editor of this website from 2006 to early 2012, Ken Layne is occassionally seen on Twitter and writes small books and is already haunting you from beyond (your) grave.

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  • JMP

    Jan, you know what would be ugliness beyond anything you’ve ever experienced? Being arrested after doing nothing wrong merely because you couldn’t prove your citizenship on the spot after a racist cop demands it because of your skin color.

  • PortlandSmartAss

    She just skipped the causal chain — his service in the WWII, fighting the Nazis, meant massive consumption of cigarettes, and since the government rightly did not intervene to discourage cigarette use, he died because of the Nazis. See?!

  • SlouchingTowardsWasilla

    Disability? Socialist bastard.

  • ManchuCandidate

    I remember reading that the Nazis used mesothelioma and black lung as their ultimate weapons against the Allies.

  • Snarkalicious

    Not her fault, guys. Her constituents don’t ask questions. How was she to know the rest of us would?

  • Gratuitous World

    Brewer’s Dad is also Mark Kirk’s uncle and Blumenthal’s godfather.

  • Baldar T Flagass

    No, she didn’t say he died DURING WWII. He died fighting the Nazis AFTER WWII, like Roy Scheider in Marathon Man or Jon Voight (almost) in Odessa File.

  • freakishlystrong

    What is it with all these wingnuts and their utter lack of military service, but lying about it any hoo? I’ll be searching Faux for many, many references to this story, like the blanket coverage of Blumenthal.

  • Oldskool

    Nevada, Normandy, same thing.

  • RoscoePColtraine

    Do you see now how easy it is for some people to believe in Space Jesus?

  • WadISay

    I had a massive hangover this weekend from too mush homebrew, and I figure, fuck Kaiser Willhelm anyway, he might as well have held a gun to my head.

  • Tundra Grifter

    You just have to carefully read what she said: “Knowing that my father died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany…” Of course the Nazi regime (note the suble echo of Boss “I wasn’t wrong; I was misinformed” BlunderRush’s use of “Obama regime”) was in Germany. Where the hell did you expect to find it – Perth Amboy?

  • Doglessliberal

    Why do you people persist in the Politics of Personal Destruction? You are clearly just out to get her, like you are Sarah Palin. Commies.

  • ph7

    Fake war story exposed today. Outed lesbian tomorrow?

  • SayItWithWookies

    How does someone who was born in 1944 think she was eleven when WWII was still going on?

  • imissopus

    And now she’s fighting on the side of the proud and patriotic resistance to Nobama’s socialist-fascist-Nazi regime. Makes sense to me. Duzzit to you?

  • Manos: Hands of Fate

    Notice she didn’t say German Nazis, just Nazis. They could have been Illinois Nazis for all we know.

  • Joe the Plumber

    Good lord! Jan Brewer was born in 1944. If her father died when she was 11 wouldn’t that be 1955. Her dad was fighting the Nazi’s a long time after the war. Somebody needs to tell he about video. Well, at least I didn’t vote for her to become Governor. Come to think of it, nobody voted for her. She did proudly attend Glendale Community College. I guess a governor doesn’t much need schooling and such. A bit of ciphering might have been useful.

  • Buzz Feedback

    Maybe he was at Omaha Beach in Nebraska.

  • JMP

    To be fair to the Governor, she was just repeating what she had been told:

    Brewer: Why didn’t you tell me? You told me the Nazis betrayed and murdered my father.
    Old Man: Your father… got lung disease while working in a munitions factory during the war. He ceased to be Mr. Brewer and *became* dead. When that happened, the 4F man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true… from a certain point of view.
    Brewer: A certain point of view?
    Old Man: Jan, you’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

  • Fox n Fiends

    Saint Ronald Reagan used to lie all the time about his “service” in WW2. Its a Randian Sacrament.

  • Real DC Native

    Wait, she was 11 when he died in Germany and VE day was in May 1945. So that would mean she was born in 1934 or earlier but her Wiki page says she was born in 1944. Damn – that Wiki is so unreliable.

  • SayItWithWookies

    [re=589568]Manos: Hands of Fate[/re]: This would work if the Illinois Nazis were a Double-A team out of Champaign.

  • Escape Goat Nation

    Yeah, thanks for nothing Tom Cruise.

  • Extemporanus

    [re=589565]SayItWithWookies[/re]: [re=589570]Joe the Plumber[/re]: [re=589577]Real DC Native[/re]: The answer’s quite simple, really: Jan Brewer is a dog.

  • FMA

    [re=589568]Manos: Hands of Fate[/re]: I hate Illinois Nazis.

  • Hooray For Anything

    [re=589576]Fox n Fiends[/re]: Maybe her father fought alongside Reagan?

  • Geogre

    Jan Brewer: Texas Curriculum Board Spokesmodel

    I believe, though, that she is simply illustrating. She knows that her father didn’t fight the Nazis in Germany… or not in Germany… and the rest, but she wants to help other natural born U.S. citizens who might, like her, look suspicious, by showing them how you lie and bullshit your way out of being questioned. Of course in their case, they “look suspicious” because of her stupid law, and in her case it’s because she looks like a vapid, spineless, barely evolved creature of the Republican Party, but otherwise it’s the same: lying is good, and Jan wants to show how it’s done.

  • CaptainDog

    Glenn Beck is STILL dying fighting the Nazis.
    She should give it a rest. Her family hasn’t done anything to fight the Nazis in 55 YEARS.

  • Holden Caulfield

    [re=589586]Geogre[/re]: lying is good, and Jan wants to show how it’s done

    I suppose, but why couldn’t she just bring back the frog to sing a song about lying?

  • Apocalyptic Supermarket

    Honey, if being called names is the ugliest ugliness you’ve ever experienced, you need to get out more.

  • EdFlinstone

    I would pay good money to pay for view, a celebrity jeopary episode consisting of Gov. Brewer, Sarah Palin and Michele Bachman. I’ll take people in over their head for 1,000 Alex.

  • Sue

    Does Orrin Hatch’s proposed new law about lying about service records apply here even though she’s not lying about her own record, she is doing it for personal gain?

  • TGY

    Ahh, he died fighting *potemkin* Nazis.

  • 4tehlulz

    I think what is truly shocking is that her father was a socialist, leaching off hard-working Anglos through his disability checks.

  • I Heart Accuracy

    [re=589559]RoscoePColtraine[/re]: I agree. Math is fucking hard.

  • Can O Whoopass

    Brewer’s Dad

  • Sue

    [re=589582]Extemporanus[/re]: One problem with the Jan’s age makes sense cause she’s a dog theory: dogs have more integrity; dogs don’t lie.

  • JMP

    [re=589593]EdFlinstone[/re]: It would get tedious, because if any of them got a wrong answer they’d start yelling at Alex and the judges that their answer is wrong.

  • ella

    So she and her dad experienced all that Nazi stuff the way Palin “experienced” Exxon Valdez?

  • Extemporanus

    In fairness, Jan Brewer’s grandfather died fighting the Anasazi regime — perhaps that’s where her confusion lies.

  • Godot

    [re=589570]Joe the Plumber[/re]: I never thought I could shoot down a German plane… but last year I proved myself wrong!

  • Sharkey

    Can someone pls inform her that Hitler had no children?

  • Carrie_Okie

    Come on you sons-of-bitches do you want to smoke forever?!

  • kinginyellow

    I’m a huge fan of the Ken Layne “he should be wrapped in hot garbage” / “she should be buried under the Holocaust Museum” theme.

  • Katydid

    The lamp
    Flickers in the bedroom
    She must feel as awkward
    Whorehouse Arizona

  • The Church of Realism

    Operation Round up the Brownz, tell em Hitler sent you or Jan Brewer, your choice.

  • pdiddycornchips

    My dad passed away in the early 70’s of lung cancer and he used to deliver soda to the vending machines at the nuclear test site in Nevada which makes him a decorated Vietnam Vet just like McCain.

  • One Yield Regular

    Has anyone called the Wiesenthal Center yet to get their opinion on this story?

  • EdFlinstone

    [re=589602]JMP[/re]: Are you sure you wanted to go with “if”?

  • Katydid

    [re=589593]EdFlinstone[/re]: Might go a little something like this clip of SCTV’s Half Wits with host Alex Trebell.

  • harry palmer

    Her father was like one of those Japanese guys they found on islands in the South Pacific up until the 1970s. Only he was in Arizona, which is full of Nazis, as Jan Brewer is living proof. That’s why she’s so fucked up, she had Daddy issues cuz he hated her Nazi ass. But instead of indiscriminately fucking inappropriate people, she *fucks over* inappropriate people by discriminating against them.

  • chascates

    As a deceased war hero I’m insulted.

  • you cannot be serious

    YOU BURIED THE LEAD!! Brewer’s father’s name was Wilford Drinkwine. Seriously.

  • comicbookguy

    After the war, her father went overseas to fight Nazis.

  • WhatTheHeck

    I’m soooo confused!
    Aren’t the GOP supposed to like the 3rd Reich Wingers? Not fight them?

    The first casualty of war is always those little lies.

  • Hopey dont play that game

    I am fighting Nazi Zombies right now! Was she talking about Xbox too?

  • JMP

    [re=589622]EdFlinstone[/re]: When they do Celebrity Jeopardy with folks the producers know are stupid, they tend to ask really easy questions, just like with the kids’ tournament; still yes, it should be “when”. Just think if there was a science category; “This object killed the dinosaurs” “What is Noah’s Ark?”

  • thehelveticascenario

    Wouldn’t “Hitler’s whore” be uglier?

  • PortlandSmartAss

    [re=589564]ph7[/re]: Right after her dad died fighting the Nazis, she was photographed playing softball

  • Hooray For Anything

    [re=589593]EdFlinstone[/re]: It’s hard to have a game show based on facts, facts that come from reality, when the people competing on the game show don’t really believe in neither facts nor reality. It would be hard, for instance, if the question was “Who fought of the Robber Barons?” to judge a winner if all three of their answers are “an unAmerican Socialist Commie” when all three are pretty much convinced that they’re right.

  • mumblyjoe

    I can only assume this means that Orin Hatch wants to throw Brewer in jail now, right? Right?

    No? How odd.

  • McDuff

    This conservations and ones like it take place everyday at the National Archives:

    Geneologist: My granddad said he was with Teddy Roosevelt at San Juan Hill. Can I get a copy of his records to show my grandkids what a hero he was?

    Archivist: Sure, let’s take a look at your granddad’s service record. Mmmm, well, it seems, that, uh, your granddad deserted from the Army hospital in Tampa about 6 weeks before the Battle of San Juan Hill, didn’t turn himself in until 6 months after the Spanish-American War ended, and that he received a Dishonorable Discharge.

    Geneologist: Hey, kids, it turns out your great-great-granddaddy was a fast runner back when he was young!

  • Prommie

    Today we are all dying fighting the Nazis. Do you get it now?

  • Limeylizzie

    [re=589582]Extemporanus[/re]: No kidding

  • Extemporanus

    [re=589630]you cannot be serious[/re]: He’s better known by his similarly imbibing-imbued stage name, “Wilford Brimley”.

  • steverino247

    [re=589671]McDuff[/re]: In other words, military men run in the family?

  • superdave

    [re=589574]JMP[/re]: I would applaud you nerdy Star Wars reference, but that would only serve to expose my own nerdiness… D’oh!

  • Mad Farmer Manifest

    I know I shouldn’t judge persons based on appearance, but did anyone else recoil in horror when they saw Gov Brewer’s picture after clicking on the link? Holy Space Jesus! Ugly wretched harpy on the outside, ugly wretched harpy on the inside.

    You could cut down trees with that face.

  • Snarkalicious

    Nazi Lung Cancer: Join me, and we can rule the Republican Party together.

    Etc. Etc.

  • One Yield Regular

    [re=589630]you cannot be serious[/re]: Hmm. “Drinkwine” and “Brewer.” I think I’m starting to get a clearer picture of where this notion of fighting Nazis in Germany in 1955 might have originated.

  • Tim Was Tim

    [re=589568]Manos: Hands of Fate[/re]: I fucking hate Illinois Nazis!

  • BklynIlluminati

    OHHHH fighting them. Ha i thought you said HELPING them yes yes i see how that can be misconstrued….

  • Bordo

    I think it is so very, very, very sad that people have said mean things about Jan Brewer. It’s much nastier to be called ugly names than to be stopped on the street because your skin and hair are dark and asked to prove your citizenship on the spot.


    Boycott Arizona!

  • Georgia Burning

    [re=589565]SayItWithWookies[/re]: Alzheimers is sneaky that way.

  • President Beeblebrox

    Thanks, Barry, for appointing Janet Napolitano to the completely useless position of DHS Secretary, and for giving us the many lulz to emanate from this wrinkled, shriveled twat’s mouth. WIN!

  • Bowdoin

    There is a part of Under Milkwood where some lush passes out in a wheat field and is duly gathered in by the combine, and at the wake his widow is wailing, “Oh, so tragic, to die for agriculture!”

  • Bowdoin

    [re=589550]PortlandSmartAss[/re]: ” – and since the government rightly did not intervene to discourage cigarette use, he died because of the Nazis. “

    In fact, the VA has operated in this field. If you develop an illness in service, they pay you for the disability. But not if it’s considered “willful misconduct” which includes smoking. But, wait, what if they come in my K-Rations? Oh, right, then you were encouraged. And so the cancer is covered again.

    They don’t do riddles at VA. Lung cancer is practically a franchise of smoking. When they did all the epidemiological studies on Agent Orange, they discovered lung cancer to be slightly more prevalent among exposed Vietnam vets than the citizens at large. So, even if the guy was a lifetime smoker, if it was lung cancer, he was covered, and he drew compensation, as did his widow and children.

  • peggynoonansrickshaw

    oo someone just won tickets to the hyperbowl.

  • lumpenprole

    Maybe her dad was chasing down one of those Kid-Hitler clones, like in the Boys from Brazil.

  • XOhioan

    I’m fighting the Nazi regime in Germany right now. In my pants.

  • El Pinche

    Good to see you use the Enzo Castellari original.

    Brewer should really avoid the word ugly in any form. At least Ann Richard’s pigment looked human, unlike Brewer who looks like a dried up Slim Jim.

  • What Fresh Hell is This?

    [re=589778]Bowdoin[/re]: Small but crucial correction: “Poor Dad, … to die of drink and agriculture.”

  • the wiz

    It must be great to live in a world where reality can be what ever we need it to be at the moment.

  • 102415

    [re=589577]Real DC Native[/re]: Let’s just calm down here and ask for her long form certificate of birth, okay? She does in fact look way, way older than 1944 would make her even for a shriveled up old white lady from AZ.Then again maybe she just cold lies about everything she can since the day she entered politics.

  • ElRaton

    [re=589696]Mad Farmer Manifest[/re]: Please refrain from dissin’ my national bird with reference to the emotionally fragile Murkin Nazi hate on the browns paper demanding tonta.

  • bitchincamaro

    I smell poop.

  • guangho

    In the year 1955
    When ol’ Adolf was still alive
    I was merry and drank wine
    Fighting in the Nevada munition mine

    In the year 1955
    When ol’ Adolf was still alive
    My wretched spawn would look at me
    And ask where the Mexin folk be

  • dijetlo

    [re=589601]Sue[/re]: Dogs lie there asses off.
    I’ve had my wifes cock-a-poo literally stand up on his back legs and put one of his forepaws on my Rottweilers head when being questioned about “who got into the garbage”. Every time she yelled “Who!” (in Chinese) he’d pat the big dummies head and nudge him with his nose.
    The Rott has never learned Chinese so he doesn’t realize the cock-a-poo (who’s bi-lingual) is selling him down the river. When you check their mouths, though, the Rotts clean and the cock-a-poos tongue looks like the bottom of a Starbucks dumpster.
    That little white bastard not only lies, he knows when he’s busted in a lie. As soon as I let go of his mouth, he ran into the utility room and hung out under the dryer for the rest of the evening.

  • maven

    OK, everyone, its now clear. Her father was fighting Nazis by wrestling with Michelle “bombshell” McGee who has come out as a Nazi sympathizer-


    [re=589556]Baldar T Flagass[/re]: He died fighting the cigarette Nazis who wouldn’t let him smoke at Jan’s daycare and in church, etc.

    Also, let me see his birth certificate. Otherwise we dig him up and bury him in Mexico. Brewerez.

  • Mr Blifil

    In a way we’re all fighting the Nazis, always.

  • PsycGirl

    He probably died while playing a board game in which his token was on the square labelled “Fighting the Nazis in Germany”. It was a precursor to WoW.

  • dex

    what’s spanish for ‘cunt’?

  • Barrelhse

    Had her father met his demise in 1943 the world would be a better place today.

  • ladymacbeth

    we goin be doin one thang and one thang only: fightn natzis.

    sound gooood?

  • Jukesgrrl

    I’m going to die of boredom soon if I continue to live in Tucson. But let’s agree to say I died bravely fighting in the French Resistance alongside Humphrey Bogart, OK?

  • Can O Whoopass

    George Bush’s Uganda GrandPa won the Medal of Boner around Condi Rice.

  • oldguy

    [re=589570]Joe the Plumber[/re]: Well, geez. I was born in 1950 and we were fighting Nazis until I was at least 8 or 9. And holding black pocket combs under our noses being the bad guy(s). But I don’t remember her dad being in the foxholes with us.

  • Can O Whoopass

    [re=589612]Katydid[/re]: The lamp
    Flickers in the bedroom
    She feels the boney fingers
    Of dead Reagan in his Nazi suit.


  • zhubajie

    [re=589564]ph7[/re]: Probably a secret Mexican who has changed her name, faked citizenship, etc.!

  • zhubajie

    She’s not in the reality-based community!

  • MortSinclair

    I think she’s seeing Nazis in the yellow wallpaper of her attic bedroom. HFS. This chick is toast.

  • Pragmatist

    It was really just a typo.
    He was fighting the Neo=Nazis!!!!
    But if he was healthy enough to do that he shouldn’t have been getting disability.
    It’s all so confusing.

  • Bowdoin

    [re=589838]What Fresh Hell is This?[/re]: Correction: “Small but crucial correction: “Poor Dad, … to die of drink and agriculture.”

    I do that. Churn it through the mind for years then remember it in my own way.

  • Beanball

    [re=589875]dijetlo[/re]: Forsooth.

  • rmjag

    Is this woman sarah palin ? nasa checks up on the weather and so do i . therefore , when nasa put a man on the moon , it’s because of me . that stinky and soulless blonde turd of the desert is below reproach .

  • Carpe Diem

    Just too bad too many folks have nothing better to do then read nonsense about our Governor who has the courage to do the right thing. Unless you have lived in AZ, saw first hand the destruction by the illegal aliens, recognized the burden on the taxpayers, experienced being ripped off, burglarized, robbed and yes, maybe you are using the drugs they are smuggling into our country, then wake up. Read the law, there is no profiling. All across the U.S. if you have no ID, you will be detained. Period. That is the law. As for attacking her parents, shame on you and those who stoop so low. I suggest you all get a life and job. Try contributing something positive to your environment. You might be surprised to see how good that feels….

  • Tundra Grifter

    [re=589565]SayItWithWookies[/re]: There you go again with those liberal “facts.” Next thing, somebody’s gonna be asking her what newspapers she reads. Is there no end to the harassment?

  • dijetlo

    [re=590033]Beanball[/re]: verily

  • Tundra Grifter

    [re=589583]FMA[/re]: An Okie from Skokie?

  • guangho

    “experienced being ripped off, burglarized, robbed and yes, maybe you are using the drugs they are smuggling into our country, then wake up.”

    True Carpe Diem. After all, no American born or legal immigrant has ever done anything of that sort. It’s in them Meskin’ genes I tells ya! By the way, we’re attacking the fact that she is exploiting her father by making up a fictional story about him that’s intended to cover for the fact that this is a law aimed squarely at darkies.

    Carpe Diem. Seize the bedsheet indeed.

  • Tundra Grifter

    [re=589593]EdFlinstone[/re]: WIN !

  • Tundra Grifter

    [re=589685]steverino247[/re]: Did you ever see Wishbone on the old “Rawhide” tv series? “Just before the battle, Mother/I was drinking Mountain Dew./When I heard the Rebels coming,/To the rear I quickly flew.”

  • Tundra Grifter

    [re=590048]Carpe Diem[/re]: “Read the law, there is no profiling.” Yep – if there’s one thing we know in America, all we have to do is pass a law and that will solve the problem.

    Every time.

    Now, if Congress would just get off its collective ass and pass a law that the Deepwater Horizon stop spewing oil all over the Atlantic Ocean…

  • rottenart

    [re=590048]Carpe Diem[/re]: Whoa! You’re still HERE? Dammit, Jim… you forgot one!


  • lawrenceofthedesert

    I’m so disappointed — not by Brewer, who is the common lying sack o’ politics, but by the amazingly named Ginger Rough, who smoothly wrote down what Jivin’ Jan said and didn’t check a single fact. Even the most basic followup question, “what branch of the service was he in?” would have done the trick. Could we get Daniel Inouye to beat up the both of them?

  • Ninong

    Do these shoes make me look illegal?

  • Darkness

    [re=589847]102415[/re]: Can’t some well-meaning citizen of AZ call the local Police and mention suing them if they do not immediately check on the immigration status of this old women who is lying and ranting about her father and the nazis?


    [re=590069]lawrenceofthedesert[/re]: Ginger Rough? Dirty!

  • Cmoney

    “You have a whore’s forehead, you refuse to be
    ashamed!” Jeremiah 3:3

  • Starrigavan

    So “died fighting the Nazi regime in Germany” equals “died from workplace exposure to toxins.” But poor Gov. Brewer couldn’t use her dad’s death to illustrate the obvious need for workplace safety regulation, could she? She’s a REPUBLICAN! They hate government unless it’s being used to fight wars or promote “states’ rights” (see Yankee War of Northern Aggression)!! Workplace safety is a democratic (see Socialist) talking point.

    And how do we know that those munitions weren’t used in the Pacific or North Africa or Southern Europe? Jan Brewer’s dad could have died fighting the Japanese, the Vichy French, and the Italians! Heck, I’ll bet some of those munitions ended up in Korea and maybe even Vietnam! So Jan Brewer’s father died fighting the:

    Vichy French
    North Koreans
    North Vietnamese

    She should immediately be named Secretary General of the UN, as the entire modern world as we know it rests entirely on her father’s shoulders!

  • mumblyjoe

    Incidentally, I found out that my ex’s grandfather fought on the Eastern front for the Germans, during “The War between Nations”, as the Germans call it, until he was captured by the Soviets and forced to work in a uranium-and-asbestos mine until his release at war’s end. He then died in the 50’s of lung cancer.

    In other words, “Died fighting the goddamned Commies, in I dunno, Korea or something.”.

    Wow, that story went nowhere and had nothign to do with anything.

  • mabelsays

    Quote your sources.

  • claytor

    [re=589568]Manos: Hands of Fate[/re]: I hate Illinois Nazi’s…lol Blues Brothers.

  • Crassus

    Are they really rounding up illegals and killing them? I hope its only the ones that are killing farmers that are protecting their land or criminals that are running drugs and killing cops. I would be OK with that. To say the governor of Arizona is responsible for that kind of behavior is kind of stupid, don’t you think?