The Supreme Court and the Obama Administration and the Troops/Veterans and Jesus all got together to try to keep an illegal goddamned religious statue in Mojave National Preserve, but guess what? The Devil is stronger, because He Is Legion, and the dumb/hideous Mojave Cross Made of Plumbing Pipe was cut down by Heroes and now the Baby Jesus cries. This is actual breaking news, right now, and it’s especially hilarious because there are no reporters within a hundred miles of the actual Scene of the Crime/Heroism.
BACKGROUND: About 75 years ago, a “Veteran’s Memorial” in the form of a simple cross was installed upon a rock along Cima Road across from the Teutonia Peak trailhead. This was fifty years before the long and ugly battle began to transform this huge chunk of government land in the eastern Mojave into a national park, which finally happened under Clinton in 1994 — but wingnuts in Congress tried to strangle the new “preserve” (and not “park,” because you can still hunt deer a few days per year) at birth by setting its budget at One Dollar.
Then, in 1999, the Park Service refused to allow a “Buddhist shrine” next to the cross, because duh you don’t build religious shrines in national parks. And that led to a lawsuit, because duh a Jesus Cross is a religious shrine, and for eight years the Bush Administration put tremendous effort into keeping the cross there, but during the decade-long legal battle the cross was covered with a hilariously droopy canvas sack or dumb plywood cover, so what you actually saw was either a canvas sack on a stick or a square wooden blank sign-type thing on a metal post.
And then your liberal lover Barack Obama became president and *his* administration allowed this utterly bogus deal in which a couple of acres of “inhold” (private land within a nature park) owned by some Jesus lovers/Defenders of the Plumbing Pipe Cross who live a hundred miles away were “traded” for the spot on the roadside where the cross sits, and the Supreme Court ruled just two weeks ago — 5-4, wingnuts vs. liberals — that the thing can remain because it’s not really “religious” because, uh, let’s see, there are crosses on graves of veterans. (Yeah Christian crosses, John Paul Stevens wrote in his dissent, on Christian graves: “It is the symbol of one particular sacrifice, and that sacrifice carries deeply significant meaning for those who adhere to the Christian faith.”)
For reasons that are still mysterious, the plywood box was still covering the cross — according to an AP report based on a statement by a park official made from the preserve’s “headquarters” an hour away in the California desert town of Barstow — and a ranger was delivering a new plywood box, or something, and found that the cross itself had been hauled away. Couldn’t these rangers be studying wildlife or helping lost hikers or picking kleenex and condoms out of the cactus? No, because we live in a Nation of Idiot Bullshit.
And despite all these years of bickering and nonsense, this is a national park (err, “preserve”) almost totally unknown to Americans, even though it sits right between some of the biggest U.S. cities — Los Angeles, San Diego, Las Vegas and Phoenix. The trailhead to the one “name” trail in the whole preserve rarely has more than a couple of cars, and the mostly European hikers who park their rentals to make the walk up Cima Dome rarely notice the thing perched on a rock across the road to the southeast. And this is the way it should be, as far as we’re concerned. But still, this is kind of like having a decade-long battle about a cross left on the Moon.
So, your editor has no real choice but to hop in the Jeep and drive up the road to see what’s going on. Newell will take over for the afternoon. [LA Times/AP]
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Anyone wanna buy a giant lowercase make out of tubes?
Happy day for the Christians. They get to be the victims! huzzah! hurrah!
Even money George Rekers has that cross hidden up his ass right now.
Vaya con dios, Ken.
This is right near the gate to your desert compound, right Ken? Jeebus probably took the damn thing down because Ratzi almost admitted papal error. Next: The Rapture!
Those of you who want to see more conveniently accessible violations of the First Amendment are invited to visit the Mount Soledad Memorial Cross in San Diego, also subject to various bullshit legal runarounds to please Jeebus.
BTW, calling Barstow a “town” is stretching the meaning of the word.
GodspeedGood luck, southwest editor!Would this be a good time to propose putting up a crescent to memorialize the muslims who died in 9-11?
TelEPromPtorZ, I bet.
Those GD beer swillin’ ATX Nascar Bubba’s, leave my Jesus Shrine alone or I’m callin’ in the Teabaggers and Vinegar Tits Palin!
It’s a SIGN! God is unhappy with the illegalz and sucked the Cross upstairs to smite them!
Newell, plz update this post when the Fox News studio clowns weigh in.
FOX NEWS ALART! LIBDEMPROGRESSIVES INSULT GOD AND AMERICA
Ken, can we download this chapter of your forthcoming book for use on a Kindle?
Also, if you think Xtians are upset by this story, just wait until they stumble upon the pagan vortex at Jumbo Rocks in Joshua Tree.
Well of course a cross is not a religious symbol; it’s a secular expression of the glorious power of Rome and reminder of the terrible fate that awaits any ungrateful subjects.
That’s how that was meant, right?
[re=574749]V572625694[/re]: It’s a hundred miles away from *me*, too, but we are used to such distances in the desert. And that Mount Soledad thing sits atop the best view in San Diego (that you can drive to, anyway) but San Diego has been safely run by criminal wingnuts forever, so the cross remains.
And next to Baker, Barstow is a *metropolis.*
This sounds like the work of aliens!
Ken, keep your eyes open for mutilated cows, crop circles, and habanero sauce.
that whole place is a shrine to god, or several gods, any god you choose, mix ‘em and match ‘em if you like. if the cross has disappeared, it’s a matter between one or more devils and one or more gods, and we mere mortals would be wise to lay low and keep out of it. they do things like hurling fire and brimstone and thunderbolts at each other when they get to going at it.
Nation of Idiot Bullshit! I finally feel at home.
I hear it was that crazy Mescalito Walnuts McCain whodunit. Walnut went OT cuz the Californicators are considering boycoting all and everything Arizona including the 2011 All Star Game ’cause all the bazebuhl players would get arrested and killed.
Good thing there’s no electricity up there, or it would be replaced with a neon one.
And then it was sold for scrap by meth heads. The End. America really is the perfect country.
What’s the mystery? Surprise that a piece of metal with salvage value sat undisturbed that long in San Bernadino County?
It wasn’t stolen it was… raptured to heaven The End is upon us!
[re=574765]Ken Layne[/re]: Ken, if you’re actually trying to FIND the cross, my first guess would be to look inside the Integretron.
But I’m hungry.
I went to Google Map to see if I could zoom in on this place, but was distracted by a town named Zzyzx. That’s too fucking cool.
[re=574767]Extemporanus[/re]:
It’s probably atheist desert beavers. Be careful Ken!
[re=574765]Ken Layne[/re]: You should swing by Home Depot or Lowe’s or whatever on your way out of town, pick-up a couple of big lengths of wood, tie them in a cross shape under a tarp to the roof of your car, and then just cold haul ass up and down Cima Road, kicking up clouds of dust, blasting Slayer or Stryper or whatever, and screaming out your window something like “YOU MOTHERFUCKERS CAN HAVE THE CROSS WHEN YOU PRY IT FROM MY COLD, DEAD VEHICLE! FREEEDUUUM!!”
That there’s guaranteed 5 o’clock news lead-in material, I tell you what!
As one who “makes love to nature,” I am Pleased about this. Also, as one who grew up iwith exceptionally flawed parenting, I am pleased about this. Why do the Christians insist on rubbing that whole crucifixion thing in the face of the Jesus every damned chance they get? Do they think that he likes cold chillin’ on his cloud and then looking down once and a while, only to be reminded of a really fucking bad moment in his life? My guess is that The Nazarene would love to see all such iconography destroyed for the same reason I don’t go to my mom’s house on Thanksfuckinggiving.
TRuckNutz.
[re=574784]Baldar T Flagass[/re]: Oh no! Whoever stole the cross also stole that town’s vowels!
You know what is breaking news? The Gulf Coast is dying. IN REAL TIME. Any news operation that claims that it is one better get their mother fuckin’ asses down there and plant them for an indeterminant amount of time. The oil pigs can’t shut shut off the oil flow. This is going to be the most gigantic disaster of all time. Fuck them and fuck me for continuing to drive a car.
What is the spot market for scrap steel and iron looking like these days? That cross is likely headed for a smelter and will be rebar up in a Chongqing skyscraper, tout de suite.
Mammon rules!
[re=574785]Monsieur Grumpe[/re]: Leave Janet Napolitano alone.
now, on a more sober (somewhat) and minor historical note, back about a quarter-century ago, some numbnuts sued the county of bernalillo (“burn-a-lee-oh”) in new mexico over the issue of its county seal, which included a christian cross hovering in the sky over some sheep. the sewer–oops, i mean suer–that is, plaintiff–said that the uninformed, such as himself though he did not admit to that, might see such a symbol on a sheriff’s car and think that christian militiamen or god knows what (and god probably would) were after his sorry ass. to protect himself and others like him from such a scary bad, he wrapped himself in the constitution (everybody wears it nowadays, all but wearing it out) and said “separation of church and state, y’all.” the court agreed, ruling that while the sheep could stay, the cross had to go. and what was the cross replaced with? a hopi sun symbol, which is also a religious symbol of a sort, but since it’s the symbol of a belief system belonging to a thoroughly marginalized population who exist in small numbers as wards of the federal government, the sewer and the court found it acceptable. given that the sun already shines over the mojave, it can act as a replacement sacred symbol. it’s done the work in the past, and doesn’t seem to mind (though others may).
There’s a place just west of the Teutonia Peak location called Devil’s Playground, lending veracity and credence to the accusation in the headline.
Las Vegas psychics blame Elvis’s ghost fer gnawin’ down Hay-Suess cross.
Maybe Jesus was wandering in the desert again, came across the cross, said “Man, I’ve been looking all over for that!” and took it home to Dad’s house. In which case, I think we’re all cool with it.
The cross is in a better place now. Mexico.
[re=574790]Extemporanus[/re]: Well, at least they left the “and sometimes Y” for them.
[re=574765]Ken Layne[/re]: Don’t get me started about Mt Soledad, Duncan Hunter, etc. If I had a cutting torch I’d go up there some night and cut that ugly-ass fucking thing down myself. And San Diego city and county government aren’t competent enough, whatever their stripe, to be characterized as “running” anything.
Baby Jesus needs to man up.
[re=574785]Monsieur Grumpe[/re]: If atheists had a Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck type on our side, they’d be claiming it was the work of radical Christianists out to make atheists look bad.
[re=574791]An Outhouse[/re]: But the oil leak is old news; no it doesn’t matter it’s still ongoing, the newsmedia has moved on. It’s not big enough to require constant coverage until the situation is resolved, like a missing pretty white girl.
Oh goddamn it, now they’ll just put up a bigger one.
Fox News weighs in as expected, with a very special outraged quote by a Liberty Institute freak. Good times.
[re=574749]V572625694[/re]: East Tennessee scoffs at your so-called “crosses,” Western Satan worshippers. There are two of these 50-plus-foot-tall babies, bracketing Knoxville on I-75 to the north and south. They appear to be made from steel roofing panels.
These showed up after the telephone-pole-Calvary fad seemed to have concocted a case of giantism.
Oh, please please please come to Effingham, Illinois next: http://www.crossusa.org/
A cross made out of plumbing? Is there any chance they could build an airport bathroom around it? Then both atheists and Republicans would be happy.
[re=574791]An Outhouse[/re]: How could such a thing happen?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/washington/11royalty.html
[re=574795]slappypaddy[/re]: Those of us who move our lips when we read than you for your phonetic pronunciations.
Shouldn’t this thing have been “Grandfathered” in, .. due to Moses and what not.
Good chance it was illegal immigrants, who probably used it for firewood. Dammit McCain get the danged fence built now!
[re=574784]Baldar T Flagass[/re]: Not much of a town — more like an abandoned health spa.
Check Golgatha. The cross prolly just anthropomorphosed & is on pilgrimage to its ancestral home.
[re=574795]slappypaddy[/re]: So are you suggesting that one of the Native American deities may have been behind this? That’s certainly possible; they probably didn’t appreciate having a symbol of a Western sky god who claims superiority over them stuck on their lands.
[re=574765]Ken Layne[/re]: At least you’re not traveling blind.
We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like “I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive….” And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, which was going about a hundred miles an hour with the top down to Las Vegas. And a voice was screaming “Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?”
Gonzo has the cross.
The National Park Service has established a tip hotline seeking information leading to the recovery of the cross. Anyone with information is asked to contact the Park Service at (760) 252-6120.
Hey, Park Service? I saw a 2,000 year old jew strap that cross on his back. He was headed in the direction of Jerusalem. He had a white robe, some thorns and shit on his head, and was talking like a hippie about peace and love and brotherhood. Just figured he was peyote tripping so I left him alone. That last thing he said was to keep the Pope away from the children.
[re=574764]JMP[/re]: haha Rome: 1 Jebus: 0
Boy RAPE. Also.
Where was Mahmoud Ahmadinejad when this happened? And Kagan?
A piece of the True Cross may be purchased at the going rate for old pipe.
Say, what if they use it to plug the leak in the Gulf of Mexico? That would be a miracle!
[re=574777]One Yield Regular[/re]: Hahahah where are you people, anyway? I just went by the Integratron the other day, and was talking to the owner in my usual Mexican restaurant last week.
[re=574762]One Yield Regular[/re]: Yeah they wouldn’t be too happy about the drug-hippy ghost of Gram Parsons up on Cap Rock (or in room #8 of the JT Inn), either. Then again, he *was* a Harvard divinity student. Then again, Leary was teaching then.
[re=574809]jetjaguar[/re]: not sure the S Ct case permits that, or any replacement, actually. To legal dorks, like me, this is a pretty interesting issue.
Most likely stolen by giant radioactive ants. They’ve been roaming the preserve since the 1950′s.
I bet it looked like a big X when these devil robbers were taking it down.
One need look no further than the Mojave Phone Booth to realize we can’t have nice things here in the desert.
Hey, does anyone know where this MC 50 Foot Virgin Mary shrine resides? Even though I took the picture, I remain too traumatized by the experience to remember where it was.
The wife and I stumbled across it about 5 years ago while literally speeding through one of the rectangle states (we noticed it while the officer was writing us up). After leaving the interstate, you’re greeted by an awesome sign letting you know in which direction eternal salvation lies.
My money’s on the chupacabras.
[re=574813]parenthetical[/re]: Sorry, but I’m willing to donate to a big-ass cross–only if it’s one of the neon ones that flashes JESUS, then SAVES.
[re=574867]Extemporanus[/re]: What the heck is D O N A T I O? Is her pet name?
[re=574765]Ken Layne[/re]: And next to Baker, Barstow is a *metropolis.*
At least Baker has the Mad Greek going for it. No more Bun boy, though. Tragic.
[re=574845]Ken Layne[/re]: Too far away to have stolen the thing myself, alas…
In other public cross news, my visiting European gleefully pointed out the other day that the giant cross on Mt. Davidson in San Francisco was now mercifully hidden from view (by the devil) behind a MiracleGro-enhanced forest of eucalyptus trees.
When I heard @ this, I immediately wondered if Ken was involved…. Does he drive a truck?
Don’t dismiss the Elvis connection too soon: Somehow, it was brought up in the press this week what everyone has known since the King’s death: He died straining on the crapper and gave himself a stroke. Got to be embarrassing, even when you are dead, to have that fact dredged up every 5 years. As far as Barstow, it’s not as bad as it once was, and Baker had the Mad Greek and a great on-ramp to drive fast on when you get back on the freeway heading for Vegas.
[re=574845]Ken Layne[/re]: “The Integratron is the creation of George Van Tassel, and is based on the design of Moses’ Tabernacle, the writings of Nikola Tesla and telepathic directions from extraterrestrials”
Man, California really is the land of dreams!
[re=574867]Extemporanus[/re]: From the shape of the rocks, it’s probly right next to the cross left on the moon. (Or was it that Obama decked Ken with a left cross when he caught him stealing the cross left in the park–uh, jam–er, preserve?)
[re=574825]JMP[/re]: “So are you suggesting that one of the Native American deities may have been behind this? That’s certainly possible; they probably didn’t appreciate having a symbol of a Western sky god who claims superiority over them stuck on their lands.”
yeah, when you exist for forever or a significant slice thereof, you can afford to be patient, to wait until the koyaanisqatsi rights itself, though some of your children may suffer in the interim and you may weep divine tears.
[re=574872]jus_wonderin[/re]: “Donatio” is the patron saint of collection poles.
There was a coin (cash? Haha!) slot in the top, and a big ol’ fucking MasterLock attached to a wee little withdrawal door on the bottom. It was like an all-weather ATM for anti-aesthetic angels.
[re=574890]chaste everywhere[/re]: And it seemed real. It seemed like us and it seemed like, well, our home. If not Arizona, then a land not too far away. Where all parents are strong and wise and capable and all children are happy and beloved.
I don’t know. Maybe it was Utah.
1st Meth Head: “There it is! The giant cross of gold! We’re rich!”
2nd Meth Head: “You stupid dick… it’s just steel pipe, painted yellow. Scrapping it wouldn’t even pay for our gas to get out here!”
1st Meth Head: (disappointed) “Umm? Shit. Let’s cut it down anyway.”
[re=574749]V572625694[/re]: Here in Chicago, we get creches and menorahs and Christmas trees and all manner of religious public-place whatnots shoved in our agnostic midwestern faces three seasons out of four. Thank, uh, god?, for Halloween!
[re=574904]Extemporanus[/re]: LOL. I should have thought of that. Dang it.
“So, your editor has no real choice but to hop in the Jeep and drive up the road to see what’s going on.”
This is how every freaky Rob Zombie movie starts…
Wait. Those tubes would probably make a devastating smoking device. Fucking rad, actually. Bong hits for Jesus, indeed.
[re=574850]Doglessliberal[/re]: If they do, I’ve got a great design suggestion that I hope they implement. It’s more reflective of the final thoughts of most war dead anyway — not to mention that it’s really non-denominational.
What the fuck is Kennedy’s problem? Is he addicted to punching hippies or something?
[re=574904]Extemporanus[/re]: Would the Mormons accept that? Also, Utah is not exactly a square state, as you indicated earlier the statue was located.
[re=574894]slappypaddy[/re]: Exactly; people may be going the wrong way by looking for mortal agents here, as Yahweh and son pissed off a lot of other gods. The gods worshiped by the Navajo, Hopi and Mohave seem most likely here because of the location, but watch out because a number of the other old pantheons may gearing up for their revenge.
Congress January 2002, Congress designated the Mojave cross a national monument to World War I veterans. There are only 45 other so-designated national monuments in this country, including the Washington Monument, Mt. Rushmore and the Lincoln Memorial. World War II veterans get a marble edifice on the National Mall. World War I veterans’ only national monument is/was an 8-foot metal pipe cross in the middle of nowhere.
God bless America.
[re=574824]Long Form Def Certificate[/re]: The levitating skulls, Edward Abbey, Ken Kesey and Joe the Plumber pall bore it to it’s home planet?
Ummm, I offer to settle this whole mess. I will put up (at my expense no less) a pentacle out there. I will even make it a green one with LED lighting and the like.
It’s one of those cases where the stupidity on both sides cancels itself out completely.
BP removed the cross so that it could drill for black gold without Jesus peering down on its operations.
The flames of Moloch will look so beautiful at night.
I’m amused by this Fox News poll “Vandalism… or Worse”: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/11/decide-theft-cross-vandalism-worse/
67% are calling it a “Hate Crime”.
There was no option for “Justice”
I’m pretty sure both Baker & Barstow are the Devil’s trial runs for Hell on Earth.
Not to worry… only drowning men can see him…
[re=574944]Joehoya[/re]: HaHa! Suck it WWI vets. Don’t like it? Write your damn congressman or something. Oh you’re too dead to do that? Suck it.
[re=574962]Elm Hugger[/re]: Make that thing solar powered (probably the only choice, out there) and you got a deal
[re=574904]Extemporanus[/re]: “And it seemed real. It seemed like us and it seemed like, well, our home. If not Arizona, then a land not too far away. Where all parents are strong and wise and capable and all children are happy and beloved. I don’t know. Maybe it was Utah.”
whoa. i just watched that movie last night. no shit.
[re=574949]ThisIsNotAnAvatar[/re]: I’m sure Hayduke did it. This seems like his kind of vandalism.
[re=574941]JMP[/re]: i hear neptune’s getting angrier every day, thinking about cutting off our fish supplies cold. says we’re pushing him to it.
…At the signpost ahead…
wait, the damn sign post is missing.
This, my friends, is a sign – The beginning of the rapture.
[re=574874]Jim89048[/re]: “At least Baker has the Mad Greek going for it. No more Bun boy, though. Tragic.”
Cone Taco is long gone. Now that’s tragic.
[re=574938]Words[/re]: Have you never seen Footloose?! Utah’s, like, the squarest state ever!
Either way, I was only quoting esteemed South Western philospher, father, and ex-con H.I. McDunnough. The longer I ponder, I’m pretty sure the dusty Virgin I shamelessly shrimped in the scorching, setting sun awaits those fleeing westward from scenic-less Cheyenne, Wyoming.
[re=574781]Jim Newell[/re]: Send Riley for supplies. Perhaps tea and crumpets would be appropriate.
Yaknow, KEN, they can tell the difference between your tire tracks from LAST NIGHT and those from today…..
[re=575076]Vending Machine[/re]: My bad..
[re=575072]WhatTheHeck[/re]: Actually, we have folks in AL w/bumper stickers that say “In case of Rapture, this car will be driverless”
We have a sign in the bar we own w/our son that says “In case of Rapture, this bar will be fully staffed and open.”
[re=575096]Words[/re]:
“In case of Rapture, this car will be driverless, careening into a group of children and elderly on their way to Temple or Mosque.”
The ‘nuts will be all crybabies about this “sacrilege” but maybe someone who loves Jesus too too much, stole it and is jacking off while looking at it right now, in his trailer park, with his whole garbage strewn yard filled with Jesus-ey trash/icons.
What if they made comical images of Mohammed out of plumbing?
The invisible hand of the free market has spoken. Or something.
[re=574827]font9a[/re]: …and he’s building one hell of a bong out of it.
Hey, anybody know where Bono’s been lately?
[re=575115]germansteel[/re]: Skoal Rebel
I’ve been reading your Wonkette since the beginning, 1846, and Jesus F.A.O. Christ, this is absolutely the funniest post and comments everz.
[re=574758]Can O Whoopass[/re]: http://www.vinegartits.com/
[re=575126]Tim[/re]: Pipe bomb retaliation?
Okay, I’ll admit it. It was me. But I didn’t steal the flipping thing.
Instead, and in the Grand Tradition of “Fun In the Mojave,” I packed it with about 100 kilos my “Special Blend” of C-4, Composition B and ammonium nitrate/nitromethane drag racing fuel.
Accordingly to my calculations, the cross ended up in low earth orbit. Everyone on Earth can see it with a really good pair of binoculars. At least until air friction causes re-entry.
Unfortunately, however, a couple of Ken’s Mojave tortoises were too close to the liftoff. They will have a wonderful view of the planet, if they ever stick their heads out of their little shells . . . .
I want to know why it wasn’t replaced with a flying spaghetti monster.
WTF? You mean we DIDN’T leave a cross on the Moon?
[re=575065]Balls![/re]: If it was Hayduke, they’ll never catch him. Long live Hayduke! They’ll likely find that plumbing reconfigured to drain the Hoover Dam.
[re=574749]V572625694[/re]: [re=574765]Ken Layne[/re]: Tell me about it. I wrote the fucking law suit: Paulson and Society of Separationists, Inc. v. City of San Diego. Everyone opposing Phil and supporting the cross was a lying cocksucker. We got called all sorts of motherfucker for daring to challenge the City and the Mt. Soledad Memorial Association. The MSMA started to sell memorial plaques as a way to make money and try to make the Easter Cross into a veterans memorial. All official maps showed it as the Easter Cross until the suit was filed, then it magically became the Memorial Cross. Christians will tell any lie to keep their little symbols atop every hilltop they can. I wish the fucking Romans had drowned the bastard in a toilet bowl so at least we’d all have someplace to go next time we hike up a hill.
[re=574771]weejee[/re]: or he needed it to FinishTheDangedFence.com
OH wow…those meth heads from Southern Oregon were on vacation again and ran out of pipes..problem solved! Seriously, why is this an issue? Can’t we just get back to every stupid message on Sarah Palin’s retarded facebook page being reported on EVERY news channel with of course party “consultant” reaction.
Looks like as his rentboy concurs, George Rekers knows how to really lay the pipe. I’m here all week!
[re=575286]steverino247[/re]: Thanks for trying. I wish I could time machine into the future where Jesus is discussed as just another quaint superhero in Zeus/Thor/Odin collection. The Gods all fade away, eventually.
You God Damned Canadians!!! Can’t you leave our things alone?
Hey, we took your Jets and we’re really sorry-Winnepeg should get them back soon
-but why did you come over here and mess with our Jesus symbol?
[re=575230]Neilist[/re]: I’d believe you, but… CNN (they Really Know the News!) said the “bolts had been sawed through, and the pipe had been sawed through.” Pretty determined person, but I call “bullshit!” on your blown-up theory…. Good try tho!
[re=574751]rambone[/re]: Absolutely! Combine the cross, the crescent, the star of david and whatever it is the Buddhists wanted, just for maximum orneriness!
[re=575302]ph7[/re]: No, I think ideas like Christianity and Islam are going to finish us off. The thinking of many Christians is exemplified by idiots like James Watt who truly believed that we’re supposed to use up all the resources to hasten Christ’s return. When there wasn’t a Christ in the first place. A silly story is getting in the way of something like the teaching of evolution that clearly shows how every living thing on the planet is interrelated. Science education is hampered out of a concern about offending the stupid and horribly misinformed among us. It seems we’ve been fucked since the Bronze Age and didn’t know it. I’d go Home, but I don’t want to end up as little green snack crackers.
[re=575286]steverino247[/re]: You, sir, are a Hero of the Law.
The last year and a half of my Marine Corps enlistment I was stationed at the Barstow MCLB. Which permanently beat out of me any appreciation of the opening lines of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Which, whenever someone so much as mentions Barstow, someone will invariably feel compelled to cite. Totally annoying.
Especially since the odds are equally good that they also have never gone on a 3 day, non-stop, drug fueled spree, like I did during my enlistment.
Poor Ken. Removes himself as much as physically possible from the morass that has become America today, while still remaining within its borders, and these fuckers still insist on bringing this shit to him.
Have they questioned Colonel Mustard?
I think he’s in the library.
[re=575384]steverino247[/re]: Watt’s vision
Actually, James Watt’s vision was that the world would use up oil overseas, and then the U.S. would still have energy, and then there would be a civil war between the eastern and western states. Therefore, he concluded, we must consume every rock and drop inside the U.S. so that we can then have a foreign war over resources.
Saying “there was no Jesus” is an extreme position and requires faith.
Fundamentalism is neither fundamental, nor is it particularly religious, as the TP’s are showing us now. Fundamentalism is an impulse that wafts through socialists shouting, “Revisionist!” and pulling guns, through industrial societies, where someone decides that industry must be erased for industry to work.
Not a funny comment, I know, but satire needs good vision.
[re=575386]Ken Layne[/re]: Not so much. Phil did all the heavy lifting as a self represented litigant after I wrote the beast. None of us ever thought it would drag on like it did. The City of San Diego has spent millions defending that POS, including paying Phil’s appellate attorney once it got to that level. It just proves that San Diego will spend any amount of money to defend the religious beliefs of the majority while neglecting infrastructure. That’s what they get for electing Catholic mayors. Total cost to file it: $128.00 Yeah, San Diego spent over a million bucks to fight a $128 lawsuit.
[re=575402]Geogre[/re]: What the fuck are you talking about?
Just as the environmentalists blew up the oil rig and WV mine, the Xtians have stolen their own cross. Both groups have cut off their nose to spite their face. Both thrive on the international attention and sympathy reserved only for the noseless.
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