Yikes! Well, you can read the plane fellow’s manifesto, which seems to be confirmed as his by now. It is long and you can read it after the jump. We should expect to see more and more like this as the country falls apart over a select few’s greed, etc.

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer… and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report ( regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (


(a) IN GENERAL – Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. – This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. – The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.


· “another person” is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· “taxpayer” is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· “individual”, “employee”, or “worker” is you.

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)


Eh, needs more boobs.

[Austin-American Statesman]

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  • Formerly Preferred


    Paranoid asshole pissed about having to pay taxes. Has a bunch of bad shit happen to him. Gets angry at the government. Decides to kill himself and others in protest, because he is a giant fucking douche who doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself.

    That last bit is more of a subtext.

  • Texan Bulldoggette

    Thanks for screwing up rush hour, Joe. Oh & making otherwise sane Austin look like tea bagger country.

  • Crank Tango

    OMG I can’t read all of that. it’s a teabagger posing as a commie tho, right?

  • Holy Cow!!

    Well, the next someone says how at least conservative terrorists don’t fly planes into buildings, I can point out how that’s no longer true.

  • Notsewfast

    What I can’t get over is that this is not being called terrorism… Since when is purposely flying an airplane into a federal building NOT considered terrorism? Is there a Pantone skin Color requirement?

  • ph7

    How did I get here?

    You may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
    You may find yourself in another part of the world
    You may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
    You may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife
    You may ask yourself: well… how did I get here?

  • Ducksworthy

    Truly sad. I read this looking, of course, for Tea Baggery, but all I can find is a sense of outrage at being fucked over. Of course he shares that with the Tea Baggers, most of whom unlike this poor guy, are doing find on their taxpayer financed pensions and health care thank you very much. I would hope that the Baggers adopt his idea about the body count. They could try adding a little Jim Jones Cool Aid to their tea.

  • Fighting Bill

    I hope they read his charred body its Miranda rights.

  • StrangelyBrown

    So if you’re a teabagger, do you side with the Commie or the IRS over this? Or do you just take another Oxycontin and find a way to blame it all on Obama somehow?

  • Extemporanus

    Anyone know if it’s possible to crash a small plane into the Internet? And how one might go about procuring said small plane?

    Hypothetically speaking, of course…

  • proudgrampa

    Oh cry me a fucking river.

    Life’s shit. Deal with it, asshole.

    If you’re gonna off yourself, that’s OK. But I have NO sympathy for retards who crash into buildings and threaten other lives.

    Fuck him and good riddance.

    And he’s a lousy writer, also.

  • Ducksworthy

    [re=515264]ph7[/re]: And you may ask yourself “How do I work this thing?”

  • The Other Sarah T

    No Muslins involved = no terrorism.

  • populucious

    Yes yes, this is all very interesting, but let’s discuss your relationship with your mother, hmmm?

    (SuperFreud to the rescue!)

  • Crank Tango

    [re=515268]Extemporanus[/re]: i’d try ebay. I hear that Tesla motors has one they don’t need anymore. too soon?

  • ManchuCandidate

    It’s the movie Falling Down as played out in real life.

    On a certain primitive level I can understand why he’d snap being an injenear myself, but I’m guessing he was obsessed with his work, didn’t read history till he was already off his nut and didn’t have any hobbies outside of work. I work with lots of guys and a few females like this and I’m not surprised one in the least. This type tends to be conservative and so naive about the world outside of injenearing it hurts.

  • mumblyjoe

    Wait, so this means we all get to start torturing white, tax-hating teabaggers now, after holding them without charges indefinitely, right?

    C’mon, I’ve been waiting 9 years for this. Can I at least torture one of them? Err, I mean… something something something, actionable intelligence?

  • denver_80203

    CLEARLY we need to bomb the living shit out of Texas. It’s FULL of Terrorists who fly planes into buildings.

    Update.. Cheney thinks we should take out Ohio while we’re at it.

  • Woodwards Friend


  • Paterlanger

    [re=515269]proudgrampa[/re]: bingo

  • JSDC007

    Crazy as a fox, but seemingly still a lot more intelligent than the average teabagger who can only fart about the Constitution without ever having read it. And unlike the average teabagger who takes pleasure in being teabagged by Dick Armey, this one seems to hate Rs and Ds with equal gusto. Guess the last real independent teabagger is dead. Oh well.

  • Autoo

    [re=515256]Formerly Preferred[/re]: [re=515269]proudgrampa[/re]: Seriously, what a whiny little titty baby. Rich enough to own a Piper Cherokee, but not smart enough to get a little help doing his taxes.

  • JMP

    Soon the teabaggers and other Randian douches will react just like the anti-abortion movement did to Dr. Tiller’s assassination.

    Why does it not surprise me that he’s an engineer? The profession seems to attract in inordinate amount of objectivist crackpots; indeed, almost any time the right trots out a so-called “scientist” to defend global warming denialism or creationism, he’s (and it’s almost always he) actually an engineer.

  • LittlePig

    [re=515256]Formerly Preferred[/re]: Be that as it may, a lot of what he notes is quite true.

    Dual justice system – check.

    U.S Treasury now a backstop for corporate losses – check.

    Shame was still functional in the 1920’s – check.

    Granted, he had some paranoid tendencies and social dysfunction. But his main problem was he though he could outweasel a tax lawyer. Ain’t. Gonna. Happen.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Well his suicide note proved that his life was stupid and tedious to the point of hopelessness, but why he had to take it out on a building full of IRS agents is another matter — oh, probably because nothing bad that happened to him was his fault, right? Too bad you couldn’t solve your own problems and decided to inflict harm on a bunch of innocent people instead, asshole.

  • Red Zeppelin

    Joe Six stack? Had he been reading the Unabomber Manifesto perchance?

  • LittlePig

    [re=515262]Notsewfast[/re]: You know better than that – white people can’t be terroists!

  • Extemporanus

    [re=515262]Notsewfast[/re]: A PLANETONE™ code of C15M40Y60K20 or darker is required for such an act to be considered terrorism.

  • vendetta

    Why is it always engineers crashing plans into buildings?

  • Come here a minute

    This manifesto is unfortunately devoid of teabagger buzzwords. He is an God-Damned-Independent anti-tax-paying moron.

  • ManchuCandidate

    Being one myself, I agree.

    That’s why I don’t talk politics at work.

  • El Pinche

    Add a chalk board and some barking, and this guy’s the spittin image of Glenn Beck.

  • Monsieur Grumpe

    Seems like a reasonable kind of guy other than his bad habit of flying stolen planes into buildings.

  • RoscoePColtraine

    Can somebody help me out here? He’s an accountant, taking a grand piano as a business expense, right?

    I now sense I’ve been DOIN’ IT RONG all this time….

  • Ducksworthy

    The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

    Very few tea baggers ever reach this level of enlightenment, due to their gullibility, also.

  • teebob2000


  • imissopus

    [re=515262]Notsewfast[/re]: Yes.

    I’m sure some speaker at CPAC will defend this guy as a patriot firing the first shot in the resistance struggle against Obama’s socialist takeover of America or a protest of his plans to use the IRS to redistribute wealth to the poors or some shit. Unlike that Army major who shot up Fort Hood, because he was a dark-skinned Muslim, so that was obviously terrorism.

    Unless this pilot turns out to have had a, shall we say, dusky hue. Then the CPACers heads might pop like balloons. Which would be awesome.

  • glamourdammerung

    Another teabagger shows their “love of country”.

    Fucking sickening.

  • SmutBoffin

    There’s a word for this kind of political activity: “attendat” or “the propaganda of the deed”. You just commit some act of focused violence and use it to draw attention to your politics. This sort of thing was popular with, say, anarchists back in the first half of the 1900s or the Unabomber.

    But was it really necessary to do it over some lame tax gripe? Feeble. Won’t miss this guy. At all.

  • pampl

    I used to think totalitarianism meant total government control over all aspects of your life, but now I realize it just means having to sign something that it takes effort to understand. Thanks for opening my eyes, Mr. Crazy Person

  • steverino247

    Now I know why members of the Bush Administration are not yet in the dock at The Hague, it’s a apparently an “unthinkable atrocity” to make shitty cars. That has to take precedence over starting unnecessary wars…

    [re=515275]ManchuCandidate[/re]: I know what you mean about engineers. I see a LOT of divorced ones. No clue it was coming or why it happened. Same thing with this guy if I’m reading it right.

    And yes, he was a selfish asshole. There’s lots of ways to get even that don’t involve killing people who never harmed you, destroying businesses that happen to share a building with the IRS, making everybody late getting home and setting back civil aviation about 60 years. Jerk!

  • Mapmonger

    [re=515297]teebob2000[/re]: Dammit, teebob, you beat me to it.

  • JohnnyMeatworth
  • weejee

    A new literary form – stream of unconscienceness.

  • edgydrifter

    I’ll give Mr. Manifesto this much credit: at least he did something. The rest of the baggers, birthers, truthers, dominionists, and assorted big-talking pretend secessionistas could learn something here. Stop yapping about how “the revolution is a-comin'” and get to it. The Olympics are dull as hell this year, so a little televised civil war would make for welcome February entertainment.

  • Tommmcatt


    I thought he stole the plane?

  • Cape Clod

    Too bad he burned down his house. Now we’ll never know how many copies of “Atlas Shrugged” and Glenn Beck tomes he owned.

  • Come here a minute

    [re=515283]JMP[/re]: Not really an “engineer”, just a 54 year old software developer with obsolete skills.

  • ph7

    [re=515294]RoscoePColtraine[/re]: Makes as much sense as flying a plane into the Steinway factory because their pianos don’t add numbers very well.

  • pampl

    [re=515289]vendetta[/re]: engineers are educated enough to think they understand the world without having actually learned anything about the world. When they suddenly find out that society, life, relationships, philosophy don’t respond well to focused analytical analysis they snap. Or sometimes grow up.

  • Harvey Birdman

    Austin is rife with this brand of fuck-em-all Libertarianism.

  • MichaelG

    [re=515271]The Other Sarah T[/re]:

    That’s pretty much what the MSM is saying today.

  • dmdlnt

    I’m in Austin, and local news is reporting that he set his house on fire this morning WITH HIS WIFE AND 12-YEAR OLD DAUGHTER INSIDE.

  • OCKerouac

    Maybe it’s just me, but I get the distinct feeling this dude was kind of unhappy with his life…

  • mumblyjoe


  • Buzz Feedback

    Will there be a snack on this flight?

  • Rev. Peter Lemonjello


  • Formerly Preferred

    [re=515284]LittlePig[/re]: I don’t expect tax lawyers to be able to engineer computer code. Am puzzled as to why this guy thinks (thought) a computer engineer could understand tax law.

  • Formerly Preferred

    [re=515315]dmdlnt[/re]: It is on days like this that I really regret not believing in hell.

  • Autoo

    [re=515308]Tommmcatt[/re]: Yeah probably. I also skipped the parts where he talked about his accountants doing a poor job on his tax dodges. I’m fucking illiterate, I guess.

    Poor me! It’s everybody’s fault except mine! Also.

  • Monsieur Grumpe

    I’m also one of those engineers. I agree. The profession does attract the strange and social retards.

    Q How can you tell if an engineer is outgoing?
    A He stares at your shoes instead of his own.

  • jetjaguar

    Where is there a picture of this guy? Ah, never mind, guys that fly plains into buildings all the look the same.

  • forgracie

    It’s odd he includes the definition of insanity in there…

  • sanantonerose

    Ummmm….if anything, he reads kinda to the left. You know, with the railing against the failed health care system, the goddamn rich cronies, GW Bush, and etc.

    No? Only me?


  • mumblyjoe

    Oh, BTW: in case anyone was wondering how long it would take before someone calls this “Obama’s 9/11” and writes something suggesting that it’s the president’s fault (but I’m just asking questions, not smearing by implication), fear not! I did the google search so you didn’t have to!

  • JMP

    [re=515282]Autoo[/re]: Oh, he was smart enough to do so; from his statements about meeting with friends about how to bring about a reevaluation of the tax code, and how “That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life”, it sounds like he was one of those libertarian whackos who refused to pay taxes based on some insane legal claim and thinks he will actually be able to use it as a defense in court. Like Wesley Snipes.

    Of course, it has never ever worked; but that doesn’t stop the crazies from trying.

  • the bf

    Let me get this straight – old loser cheats on his taxes, blames “the system” and flies plane into IRS building?

    what. a. douche.

  • Barrelhse

    [re=515269]proudgrampa[/re]: And a spas.

  • Anonymous Office Zombie

    Er, is it bad thing that I don’t think everything he said is totally nuts?

    Up until that whole revenge violence martyrdom thing, that is.

  • DustBowlBlues

    I haven’t got time to read all this shit and have to put the groceries away then go back to reading “Game Change” so put my out of my misery now–Will my prayer that this guy is echoing the Teabaggers–or better yet, associated with them–going to be answered? ‘Cuz after OKC, i was hoping the bomber would be white Xiam American rather than a Muslin, as the Teabaggers know them, and they wouldn’t go trash white Christian homes. In fact, take the name away and leave the rhetoric, and McVeigh would bet their patron saint.

    So tell me, quick: Is my prayer answered? Is this guy–er, was this guy–a Teabagger?

    Back to my groceries for a minute.

  • SmutBoffin

    [re=515312]pampl[/re]: Yeah, engineers can come to think very highly of themselves. After all they create and maintain the different gadgets that make modern life run smoothly. Society typically rewards them well for their technical abilities, with some praise for their work (think modern Marvels).

    But some are still really entitled, like this dude apparently used to be.

  • Third-hand Smoke

    [re=515294]RoscoePColtraine[/re]: I read that as his wife had a piano and made $12,700 giving lessons. That would explain the unreported income and piano as business expense.

  • Rev. Peter Lemonjello

    Any word on whether or not they found a Furry costume holding a misspelled sign in the wreckage?

    Also, does this mean that Lee Leffingwell will dress in drag and lose the Dem primary in a few years?

  • Jim Newell

    [re=515333]Anonymous Office Zombie[/re]: [re=515326]sanantonerose[/re]: No, there are plenty of very valid points he makes and people who are just rushing to label him “teabagger” are being pretty shallow. He’s still fucked up, though, for trying to go around killing his family and stuff. But this is why we should have universal therapy care! So powder kegs don’t explode!

  • RoscoePColtraine

    Shorter Joe Stack:

    “When they don’t let you keep every penny you make, and when making pennies takes said pennies away from someone else, might as well commit murder/suicide.”

    I understand his logic here. Perhaps the answer lies in going back to the old barter system. I bring my turnips and onions, and you run me that MRI.

  • RubberSoul

    Going Galt: Ur doing it rong.

  • Franklin Pierce & Pierce

    Truly the finest thing he could have done for liberty and justice is try to kill those few remaining people with jobs.

  • gurukalehuru

    Mixed feelings on this one. I suspected he was a teabagger when he talked about how much time and money he was loosing, but overall his spelling and grammar was better than most in that set. Then he talked about all these meetings he was going to, and I became sure of it. I’m sure there weren’t a lot of people at these meetings raving about gay rights, Canadian style health care and reasonable restrictions on gun ownership.

    So, at 1st I was a little bit shocked, and bothered, that Robert Gibbs said it wasn’t terrorism. Then, I realized the brilliance of that. It’s a crime. Plain and simple. The madness is over. Everybody chill.

  • JMP

    [re=515291]ManchuCandidate[/re]: It’s just weird that the profession attracts so many Objectivist types; maybe some psychologist could have a field day figuring out why that is.

  • OCKerouac

    [re=515333]Anonymous Office Zombie[/re]:
    It’s not just you. I think a number of the guys points were spot on, albeit kinda whiny. Unfortunately, the fucker followed it up by flying a plane into a building. It’s not ‘heroic’ to bitch and moan and then kill people, no matter how long your associated screed may be.

    Oh, and snarkiness also…

  • BlueStateLiberal

    Yeah, he definitely reads to the left. I’m glad he didn’t see the new tax information showing that in 2007 the top 400 wealthiest U.S. families made an average of $350 million annually and had an effective tax rate of 16.5%…

  • Flanders

    If he had just paid his taxes instead of spending so much time, money and effort at avoiding them, he would have still had his retirement, avoided the vexation of three audits, and might have been able to carve out a happy little existence for himself and his family.

  • rachelv

    CBS radio days it’s not terrorism, cuz there are no ties to international groups.

  • Godless Liberal

    He’s convinced me. I’m on board.

  • Monsieur Grumpe

    They could at least wait until the fire is put out.

  • Berkeley Bear

    [re=515283]JMP[/re]: As the son of an objectivist asshole engineer, damn straight. I thought for a long time it was my dad’s screwed up childhood that made him such an asshole, but it’s deeper and more universal than that(especially among electronics/aerospace engineering types). They generally have limited to no social skills, believe way too much in their own conclusions, are embittered over what they see as their betrayal by everyone/everything around them (which they attribute to other people’s stupidity for not believing exactly as they do) and have a tough time ever expressing their emotions until they explode in some way. If you’re lucky they only take themselves out (although generally they also leave a trail of fucked up offspring in their wake).

    The problem is, many of those same traits (especially the rigid adherence to ideas/plans/rules rather than thinking about emotional issues) is part of what makes a good engineer. So if they make it out of college without blowing up, they generally are “successful” in the “real world,” at least as long as they can find a little niche in a company and do their jobs without too much interaction with non-engineers. They only take out their anger on their spouses pets and children, because they know the rules don’t let them behave that way in public. It’s when they try to deal with complicated, interpersonal shit like interacting with non-engineer clients, sales people, attorneys or management that they really lose their damn minds.

    We really should screen people more for shit like this in childhood and get them some play therapy or something.

  • norbizness

    The main IRS processing center in Austin, however, is about 1/4 mile from my place on the South Side. Good times, man. Good times.

  • Lawndarts

    Is Riley accounted for?

  • The New Cassius

    All I can say is “God bless you Joe Stack for not using the word ‘retard’ in your suicide note”

  • FMA

    [re=515325]forgracie[/re]: It sort of makes sense. Up until now, he hadn’t tried crashing a stolen plane into the IRS building. That was something different. Can’t say much about the result, though.

  • Jim Newell

    [re=515354]gurukalehuru[/re]: Exactly. And I think at this point we all just make each other stupider and reinforce the existing bullshit when these things happen and our immediate responses are to battle over whether he was a wacky teabagger or a Democrat who wanted the public option.

  • skutre

    The guy kept losing his retirement.
    What’s a retirement?
    Is it some 20th Century thing?

  • mumblyjoe

    [re=515330]the bf[/re]: But who’s a bigger douche, that guy, or the guy who didn’t even wait 2 hours after it happened before blaming it on Obama, for having any taxes ever? Or the owner of the magazine that paid the guy to blame it on Obama, for having any taxes ever?

  • The New Cassius

    Addendum: I wonder what Steve Doocy thinks this guy looked like.

  • glamourdammerung

    The problem is that the valid points do not justify murdering some folks and trying to terrorise the government.

  • imissopus

    [re=515326]sanantonerose[/re]: I thought the same thing early on when he talked about the justice system and health care. But then you get into the bulk of his manifesto with the self-pity and justifications and anti-tax bullshit that would have made Grover Norquist proud. Like someone said up-thread, cry me a fuckin’ river.

  • OCKerouac

    [re=515361]Flanders[/re]: Ahh… You’re just saying that because that’s how damn near everyone else in this country gets by… Don’t you know it’s the random wingnut that fies into a building that’s right while the rest of us are wrong?

  • Eric Cheney

    This guy was clearly a liberal who did not care for George W. Bush and his economic policies of spread the feces. We should forevermore call this act retribution and retaliation a “Dick Cheney”.

  • I-man

    Doesn’t sound like no teabagger although he harps on about the same problem. I am afraid we might have had a communist nutbag on our hands.

  • rachelv

    [re=515361]Flanders[/re]: reminiscent of little kids who make such a fuss about not wanting to clean their room – they don’t clean the room but they don’t play and have fun, either, cuz they’re too busy sulking.

  • Flanders

    [re=515335]DustBowlBlues[/re]: Not really. Over to the left quite a ways.

  • WadISay

    [re=515309]Cape Clod[/re]: Tomorrow is the kickoff day of Glen Beck’s 2-19 movement.

    [re=515284]LittlePig[/re]: GM executives’ decades of corporate crime (Exhibit A, 1979 Chevette), check.

  • weejee

    [re=515345]Jim Newell[/re]: Prespikely so! Forgettin’ ’bout that namby-pamby livin’ the life stuff, there are a ton out there who would be far better served, and at a serious cost discount, by a shrink rather than the fuzz. Patriotism should include a hell of a lot more psych care for vets (that = taxes Teabaggers) and not just flags and fucking ribbons.

  • DustBowlBlues

    I scanned some more of this. The most teabaggery thing about him seems to be his general anger, sort of scattershot all over the place, ending with, well, fuck it, I’ll go kill the IRS.

    He’s a lot like McVeigh, except for his spelling.

  • Berkeley Bear

    [re=515284]LittlePig[/re]: Also true are a lot of the things Osama bin Laden says about how the US invades Saudi soil, how western society tends to overtake everything it touches, how we are trying to exploit the Middle East for oil, etc. Tim McVeigh said a lot of the same things about government too. Doesn’t make the acts undertaken right in any of these cases.

  • Jim Newell

    Everyone watch your copy of FALLING DOWN tonight! Engineers get fucked over and are the first to snap, if they don’t move to Idaho or Wyoming or whatever and become hermit meth-heads instead.

  • Gorillionaire

    I am sorry, but the “old-people-eat-cat-food-to-survive” bullshit is BULLSHIT. Cat food, in a can, costs at least as much as regular people food like Spam and little vienna sausages and potted meat and other processed food in a can. And no human can eat dry cat food for long before dying of salmonella poisoning.
    So this guy has some issues, and was a friggin liar in his ridiculous suicide note to the world.

  • norbizness

    I’m surprised that nobody 110 comments in has used the name “Alex Jones,” because the note sounds like a cut n’ paste jobs of his more lucid, frothy rants.

  • groove


  • keepinitrealyo

    I can’t say this guy is a teabagger, though it’s going to be very interesting to see how the teabaggers react.

    Very interesting.

  • Ducksworthy

    [re=515335]DustBowlBlues[/re]: I would say he shares their anger at the gobbermint but I didn’t see any sign of their more amusing quirks like three cornered hats or tea bags.

    Hopefully, this will inspire the tea baggers to begin running head first into federal office buildings, but without mechanical assistance.

  • wrytoast

    After declaring Jihad, the TeaBaggers now have suicide bombers.

  • Flanders

    [re=515380]OCKerouac[/re]: Point well taken. Plus, if you don’t *really* want a happy little corner in life, but want to scheme and bitch and piss and moan, topped off with some paranoid tendencies, well, then he was successful in that aspect.

  • ManchuCandidate

    [re=515366]Berkeley Bear[/re]:
    Are you my long lost brother?

    My old man is/was that type, too, but I still went to engineering school. Unlike the old man, I had interests outside of school (nearly ended up a history major) and not a total dork socially (although I still have my moments.)

  • Tommmcatt


    Okay, I’m ashamed because, you know, too soon and all, but that was FTW.

  • Ducksworthy

    [re=515326]sanantonerose[/re]: Followed to their extremes, right and left meet somewhere out in deep space where this fellow was apparently residing. Sounds like his wife was really pissed that he burned the house down. At least he won’t have to face being called a fooking idjit again.

  • prizepig

    12/15/2009, President Obama recieved a memo titled “Retard Determined to Strike in US.”

    But it just sat on his desk, unread. Used as a footrest, no doubt.

  • shnazzer

    [re=515366]Berkeley Bear[/re]: we have a found a way to screen for all that. it’s called asperger’s. sadly play therapy does not work.

  • Aging Hippy

    Hear that, Rwanda? We’ve got REAL atrocities here in the US, just look at GM!

  • Flanders

    [re=515392]Gorillionaire[/re]: I was doing the cat-food math, too. Canned cat food is freakin’ expensive. Even back in the 70’s, when Time magazine first started writing about it, the claim didn’t ring true.

  • Extemporanus

    [re=515340]Rev. Peter Lemonjello[/re]: No word on a fursuit, but they did find a dog-eared copy of last month’s FURVERT Magazine in the shed behind his house.

  • Lascauxcaveman

    Dear Mr. Dead Engineer/Pilot,

    I agree with a lot of your points. Life can be really unfair, especially to those bold enough to game the system. (Ask anyone serving time!)

    But for the love of Pete, cowboy up. You’re from Texas.


  • Georgia Burning

    Flying a plane into a building full of IRS agents? For many people that isn’t terrorism, it’s a fantasy this time of year.

  • JMP

    [re=515389]Berkeley Bear[/re]: Weirdly, I remember reading that McVeigh and the Unabomber became friends in prison; both were crazy terrorist types, but one was McVeigh was mostly a right-winger and Kaczynski was closer left-wing than anything else. They still had craziness, hating the government and love of blowing people up in common, I guess.

  • Come here a minute

    [re=515372]Jim Newell[/re]: Well, we aren’t going to our co-workers and wondering if it was a teabagger, we’re coming to Wonkette and wondering if it was a teabagger. Perfectly normal. It’s funnier if it’s a teabagger. Now it’s a lot less funny.

  • HandsomePete

    He forgot to add the “…in bed.”

  • Flanders

    OK, total douche-retard for burning the family home to the ground, too.

  • S.Luggo

    If Joe had checked the [now mailiciously impaired] Mount Vernon Statement website, this messy, prolonged and unfortunate confusion about Section 1706 of the Internal Revenue Code could have been avoided.

    Happy now, yah fuckheads?

  • dmdlnt

    [re=515419]Lascauxcaveman[/re]: Oh, no. He was a California transplant. We Texans don’t really have to claim him, do we? We have enough wack jobs around here to last us a lifetime.

  • Tommmcatt

    [re=515424]Come here a minute[/re]:

    It’s not exactly funny at all, really. I mean, I have a sick sense of humor so…a little, maybe. But normal people would think us gross, in the dictionary sense of the word: Brutishly coarse, crude.

    I can live with that, though.

  • JMP

    [re=515430]dmdlnt[/re]: Oh no you don’t; you guys tried to disclaim W. as well, but that didn’t stop him from being one of your own.

  • Carrie_Okie

    I’m not just falling down
    I’m like that brassed off clown…

    I have a whole 12 bar dystopian blues on this one.

  • Roll Fish

    Wow. What a paranoid fuckshit. Doesn’t really seem left-wing or right-wing to me, just all over the place. How the fuck was this guy a CPA for so long when he had no idea how to manage money or do taxes legally? God damned coward killing innocent people because he’s too insane to function in the real world. Absolutely it’s terrorism.

    [re=515374]mumblyjoe[/re]: Yeah pretty freaking offensive that the right is already finding ways to make this guy out to be some disciple of Obama’s.

  • DustBowlBlues

    [re=515267]StrangelyBrown[/re]: I don’t read him as a commie. More like a Paultard/Teabagger. (def of Paultard: Teabagger with grasp of basic grammar and spelling). He isn’t leftist. His “service to his country” was his “study” of the IRS code to avoid paying taxes for 10 years, for instance. Or his hatred for insurance companies. Somehow, I don’t think this was altruistic. His own family no doubt got screwed by the insurance or drug company and, since it’s all about him, they are bad. And some executives who aren’t him got money. And, dammit, he’s entitled to make a lot of money as an independent engineer without going to work for “the man.” WE OWE HIM THE CAREER HE WANTS! or he will go kill some people.

    Liberals are altruistic, concerned with society as a whole. This guy is a narcissist, cherry-picking what he wants out of various credos while coming up with the inevitable, Paultard/Galt solution: Go kill some feds. That’ll fix things.

  • give us a bob

    I propose that all flight schools henceforth set up strict standards on whining. Two or more whining incidents = no license. Seems fair, considering how pilots straddle a manually guided missile.

    Besides that, what’s up with this trend of disillusioned nutjobs plunging their personal airforces (aka a lone Cessna/Piper/sailplane) into the gov’t building of their choice? And I’m specifically referring to the American nutjobs doing this, not the foreign ones.

    Perhaps I’m biased from watching too many movies like ‘Memphis Belle,’ but do people really think such stunts make the Feds tremble in fear?

  • Mista Eko

    and[re=515264]ph7[/re]: Sadly he did not decry our that our corrupt government was the same as it ever was…same as it ever was…

  • Berkeley Bear

    [re=515407]ManchuCandidate[/re]: Nah, at most a second cousin. There’s a ton of us out there. I was good enough at math/science to think about it, but wound up in history/law instead. That, a wife who won’t put up with my asshole tendencies, a kid with autism (which basically led to finding out I was on the spectrum, too) and theater got me through to a place where I’m a little more socially adept than him, but not as different as I’d like.

    [re=515412]shnazzer[/re]: Actually, as a parent of a kid on the spectrum, I can tell you that play therapy helped him a lot, especially with basic skills. Asperger’s is so tough to diagnose, though, that kids with it (myself included) generally slip through until therapy has less impact than drugs and other harsher interventions. Therapy helps most in the 2-5 year range. Aspie’s are typically not diagnosed until school age, at the earliest because who wants to say their “smart” kid is socially impaired?

  • S.Luggo

    For anyone interested in what Stack’s pissing match with the IRS was about:

    And, yes, it was pathetic.

  • Harvey Birdman

    [re=515390]Jim Newell[/re]: Or maybe someone took his red stapler?

  • magic titty

    [re=515264]ph7[/re]: Ho man. Thanks for that.

  • teebob2000

    [re=515303]Mapmonger[/re]: Your reply tl;dnr

  • AbstinenceOnly Ed

    As much as I disagree with his methods— plane crashing is so islamofascist, I agree with much of his self-pitying rant. I fear he is right about the state of American Government and right about the amount of blood it will take to wipe the slate clean. I just am not desperate enough yet to want to do the bleeding. And he gets an after-lifetime pass for this chestnut:

    The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

    He should’ve taken sniper lessons and learned to focus on real targets. He targeted the same middle-class shlubs he was trying to liberate, some of whom justify their profession by recognizing that some of these tax dollars actually go to beneficial social programs & necessary infrastructure. My diagnosis: too much clarity and depth of feeling to live on as a crackpot. Too much rage & self pity to carry on as another jaded Wonkette commenter.

  • JMP

    [re=515432]Tommmcatt[/re]: It looks like he hasn’t killed anyone but himself; if so, then it should be OK to find this funny.

    [re=515456]give us a bob[/re]: Blame Stephen King and the Japanese, I guess; the kamikazes were the first use of planes as missiles, and “The Running Man” is the first fictional example of using this to take down corrupt overlords.

  • Berkeley Bear

    Last comment cut off – just wanted to point out Unabomber hated things most liberals like, such as science research that could cure disease (he took out several fingers on a genetecist at UCSF who I met 20 years later).

  • donner_froh

    [re=515390]Jim Newell[/re]: Not just an engineer but a contract engineer. There are untold thousands of kicked to the curb contact engineers in Michigan and probably half of them can fly light planes. At least there isn’t much around here to hit anymore.

  • Bearbloke

    [re=515288]Extemporanus[/re]: [re=515411]prizepig[/re]: Perhaps now Obama will add C0M10Y15K5 to you country’s terrorist colour-wheel…

    [re=515317]mumblyjoe[/re]: And you should profile Texans also – you see what a disaster George W Bin-Laden caused!

  • ennui go

    Today we are all “mindless minions”.

  • Jim Newell

    [re=515510]AbstinenceOnly Ed[/re]: Star for the day!

  • Darkness

    [re=515312]pampl[/re]: Or become alcoholics. That’s always a good option.

    Where’s my drink . . . I just had it a minute ago . . . ?

  • megs

    A Cessna hit a seven-story building?

    And they have the gall to say everything’s bigger in Texas.

  • Jukesgrrl

    Definitely not a tea-bagger, but something tells me they won’t see that (another failure brought to you by people who can’t read). They’ll be turning him into a hero by nightfall.

    “I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.” Ay, there’s the rub. He learned the need for self-reliance from his granny, who was NOT properly cared for by others, yet he chose to go it alone and refused to participate in the aspects of our democracy that promote caring for others. But I’m sure Palin and Bachmann would agree that this tragedy is Obama’s fault.

  • Charlie Bucket

    [re=515571]Jukesgrrl[/re]: I’m pretty sure that most will be trying their damndest to turn him into a commie because of his last two sentences. I’ve already seen the race to politicize his motives taking place on other websites.

  • JadedDIssonance

    [re=515326]sanantonerose[/re]: I’m totally with you on this one. I don’t think he’s a teabagger at all. Seemed pretty centrist, educated (a little grammar-shy), and talking about pianos? This is just 9-11 The Lesser.

  • wsupfoo

    The NRA has issued a press release stating that now is the time to eliminate the waiting period on pilots licenses. Had the person in the IRS building had a plane, he could have escaped and this tragic death could have been avoided.

  • lumpenprole

    On engineers and looniness – if you look closely at the PHD holders that creationists like to say are on God’s side, mostly engineers.

    I thought he drifted Left (“big secret I have found! Rich and powerful people don’t care about me! Also, most TV is really terrible!!!). He just wrapped some bland observations around his big, crazy gripe with people who took his money.

  • chaste everywhere

    [re=515510]AbstinenceOnly Ed[/re]: That’s about it right there.

  • Pop Socket

    As a Real Life Licensed Engineer, I take umbrage that every shmo that works at a keyboard calls himself an engineer. A ‘software engineer’ is just a computer programmer who hasn’t been outsourced to Bangalore yet. Or in this guy’s case, has.

  • Bearbloke

    Time (US ed) confirms that Mr Stack had officially entered this year’s Husband/Father of the Year Competition by trying to burn his wife and child to death.

    But at least he didn’t get Gay-married!

  • Way Cool Larry

    [re=515267]StrangelyBrown[/re]: blame it on Obama of course!

  • lochnessmonster


  • Min

    I think he took that whole “death and taxes” concept a little too literally.

  • Bearbloke

    [re=515326]sanantonerose[/re]: He’s a lefty all right – according to the fine Americans at RedHate.neocon

  • Guppy06

    The FBI requested the manifesto be taken down because it was a little too sane.

  • S.Luggo

    [re=515623]Way Cool Larry[/re]: [re=515397]keepinitrealyo[/re]: Voila –
    Beck on reported suicide pilot’s manifesto: “It sounds like anything you could hear in a speech from Van Jones”.

    February 18 edition of Fox News’ Glenn Beck.

  • Eric the Salmon

    He doesn’t seem to really have a coherent set of ideals, I’d call him a self-absorbed bellyfeeling pseudo-libertarian.
    Probably skimmed a lot of randroid literature but didn’t think too hard about it.

  • Guppy06

    [re=515646]S.Luggo[/re]: Brown person: “He comes from a hateful culture and religion that wasn’t to destroy our very way of life!”

    White person: “It doesn’t matter, he’s just a murder.”

  • bitchincamaro

    A puny single engine did all that? That is some seriously cheap construction. Infrastructure: FAIL.

  • Guppy06

    [re=515652]Eric the Salmon[/re]: Personally, I’d say he’s coherent enough; complete sentences, actual paragraphs… he’d get through your typical college composition course.

    He doesn’t… didn’t have a real core set of values you can pin down and build an ideology off of, but he touched upon enough hot-button issues deeply enough that different groups of people are able to relate to different parts or this screed. The Teabaggers are all over the “pound of flesh” bit, but personally it seems like he’s more angry at the IRS as agents ultimately of JPMorgan. He points to both 2001 (airlines rewarded for piss-poor security) and 2008 (banks rewarded for piss-poor mortgages) and says “Where’s my bailout?!”

    Or maybe this is one of those “Colbert is really a Teabagger!” moments.

  • Guppy06

    [re=515660]bitchincamaro[/re]: 2/18 was an inside job!

  • sati demise

    [re=515510]AbstinenceOnly Ed[/re]: synopsis win

  • datruth

    yep bitchincarro and if you read that letter though, many will find this guy a hero not someone bad. one witness said the plane as it came in looked as if it had no pilot? WTF? Ok we have a smaller scale scenario here smaller plane smaller building now while it caught fire, why didnt if collapse and fall down? No bombs inside thats why. someone said biden actually yesterday was speaking and saying they were afraid of a lone terrorist? I saw the video and he does say it.

    Building is still standing and smoldering but it isnt collapsing on itself.

  • natoslug

    [re=515390]Jim Newell[/re]: Hey, I moved to Idaho for the beautiful lead-filled waters, not the meth! Although, as a software engineer, I probably don’t count as a real engineer. Still, I think pissing on my tax forms is a much better form of protest than flying a plane into a building.

  • Sharkey

    What do we need airplanes for anyway? What with all the cars and boats and planes and trains and space shuttles, can’t they just make airplanes illegal already? Guns don’t kill people, airplanes kill people!

  • datruth

    know whats funny? this has happened hours ago yet bama has said nothing on the incident yet?

  • janedoe

    Wow, this guy found someone willing to marry him?

  • Flanders

    [re=515696]datruth[/re]: scoot, scoot!

  • bunnyhead

    This is a wake-up call. The revolution has begun! There are no “innocent people”, only the unsuspecting and ill-informed. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants – Thomas Jefferson

    Word-up to President Obama: You are an errand boy sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill for Goldman Sachs.

    Sorry I wasted my vote on you, Mr. President.

  • glamourdammerung

    [re=515679]datruth[/re]: The plane in this incident is a lot smaller (and carrying several thousand gallons less of that highly flammable, hot-burning fuel) than the planes in the WTC incident. So you are comparing apples to turtles there.

  • Pandy

    [re=515419]Lascauxcaveman[/re]: I think he said he was from Pennsylvania, not Texas….either way he was WRONG.

  • datruth

    yep glamor but fire doesnt bring down steel it just doesnt, fire men were running out of wtc saying explosives were in the buildings. and it wouldnt surprise me in the least to find out this is an inside job also.if not an inside job then basically the guy was sick and tired of the govt and if this was a lone event the guy is becoming a hero to some not just some jackass who crashed a plane into the building. tired of the system ripping him and others off. he decided action was needed to wake people up. Quoting bunnyhead:
    This is a wake-up call. The revolution has begun! There are no “innocent people”, only the unsuspecting and ill-informed. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants – Thomas Jefferson

    and that was said by an american president.

  • datruth

    [re=515722]bunnyhead[/re]: many who voted for bama are now saying the same thing

  • thehighshelf

    ugh, I can’t handle datruth.

  • drpangloss

    Messed up. Glad EMS and fire were able to get everyone out more or less ok. With a fire like that well… We’ve seen it before. What’s next CEOs of failing corps flying their gulfstreams into gov buildings?

  • Pandy

    As another engineer/Wonkette reader, happy Engineer’s Week (it really is)

    And in reference to the not paying taxes and revolution drama….”give to caesar what is caesar’s and give to God what God’s”…and that was said by someone other than an american president

  • natoslug

    [re=515766]datruth[/re]: You’re an asshole.
    — natoslug

    See, I can quote as well!

  • President Beeblebrox

    [re=515315]dmdlnt[/re]: Dude, Ayn Rand was totally cool with the idea of other people dying because someone wasn’t selfish enough. Take the Winston Tunnel scene in Atlas “tl;dr” Shrugged, where a whole train full of people die because they weren’t Dagny Taggart enough, viz., into rough sex with bruising, corporate takeovers, etc.

    The woman in Bedroom D, Car No. 10, was a mother who had put her two children to sleep in the berth above her, carefully tucking them in, protecting them from drafts and jolts; a mother whose husband held a government job enforcing directives, which she defended by saying, ‘I don’t care, it’s only the rich that they hurt. After all, I must think of my children.’

    The man in Roomette 3, Car No. 11, was a sniveling little neurotic who wrote cheap little plays into which, as a social message, he inserted cowardly little obscenities to the effect that all businessmen were scoundrels.

    The woman in Roomette 9, Car No. 12, was a housewife who believed that she had the right to elect politicians, of whom she knew nothing, to control giant industries, of which she had no knowledge.

    The man in Bedroom F, Car No.13, was a lawyer who had said, ‘Me? I’ll find a way to get along under any political system.’

  • plowman

    I’m sold, looks like he dealt a mighty blow against ZOG…

  • datruth

    natoslug, then you love bama? tell me one thing this admin has done too keep its promises? nothing so far, wars and more wars high unemployment now says it cant be resolved till 12? and im the asshole? far from it. reps blame the dems and dems blame the reps i am neither a rep or a dem. Remember it was Biden who only yesterday in an interview said that he was afraid of some lone person commiting something? then today? hmmmm

  • DoktorZoom

    [re=515766]datruth[/re]: I was going to call Poe’s Law on this one, but no, the lack of capitalization and general tone of crazy, maintained over subsequent posts, suggests that you are in earnest. Hope you get your dosage adjusted soon.

  • momus

    Stimulus program idea — teach a bagger to fly and give him a (very) small plane to fly into a Federal building. It stimulates the small aircraft industry and reduces the number of baggers at the same time. win-win!

  • leaveskoalrebelalone

    sheesh! could have bought turbo tax at walmart for 15.95..problem solved!! what an asshole!

  • Lake Affected

    He doesn’t sound like he leans left at all. He sounds like an Ayn Rand-reading tax protester, and not many of those pitch tents in the progressive camp. He manages to stumble upon a few astute general observations while bending over backwards to present himself as a bright, diligent, sweet-smelling John Galty guy who would surely have been successful and happy had the evil corrupt government not interfered by making him pay taxes (and penalties for filing frivolous and/or fraudulent returns) that they later used to prop up their incompetent cronies. Every word is self-pitying, myopic self-justification.

  • El Pinche

    [re=515806]datruth[/re]: Yeah, well when teabaggers can quit whining, put down the misspelled signs, and propose some real solutions, then we’ll talk. Otherwise, fuck off and eat a bag of rotten dog dicks.

  • snideinplainsight

    Is it weird that the NYTimes seems not to have noticed this incident at all?

  • Long Form Def Certificate

    I still blame Richard Jewell. A right-wing PATRIOT would never do such a heinous thing as this.

  • Lake Affected

    “The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing…”

    Dude, when you sign a return, you’re basically just saying that you didn’t lie or leave out things on purpose. The tax code may be complicated, but that part isn’t.

    And his “tax problems” don’t look all that complicated to me. He got up some tax protest scheme with his friends, he failed to file a return after making pre-retirement withdrawls from a tax-advantaged retirement account, and he claimed a piano as a business expense but couldn’t substantiate it and didn’t report the income from the business. So, yeah, the IRS got on that. Shocker.

  • Flanders

    [re=515833]snideinplainsight[/re]: Weirdly, the front headline of tonight’s New York Times is “A Crackdown on ‘Contractors’ as a Tax Dodge”

  • glamourdammerung

    [re=515766]datruth[/re]: You are either stupid or mentally ill. Maybe both.

    Get help.

  • vkladchik

    Jesus Christ.

  • Mr Blifil

    Investigators are looking into whether the pilot, 53-year-old Andrew Joseph Stack, also set his house on fire before taking off in his single-engine Piper Dakota around 9:40 a.m. local time.

    Hey. Investigators…lemme save you some time. He did that thing too.

  • imissopus

    Oooo, we haven’t had a good troll in a while. Thanks, datruth guy! I needed a good snicker.

  • Bassweasel

    [re=515294]RoscoePColtraine[/re]: Some people I know in Austin actually played in a band with the guy for a couple of years. He played bass, accordion and vocals, and they said he was a nice laid back guy. All they can figure is mental illness. f he indeed did make any money as a musician, deducting the piano is not beyond reason.

  • Mr Blifil

    [re=515834]Long Form Def Certificate[/re]: Word. That little shit got off easy.

  • FMA

    [re=515859]Bassweasel[/re]: I heard he was a bass player in Austin. (You can’t make any real money playing music in Austin; too many people willing to play cheap or for free.)
    I would have pegged him as a drummer. I’ve never met a drummer who wasn’t one step away from flying an airplane into a building.

  • Traveler

    [re=515326]sanantonerose[/re]: It’s has a sort of a cryptoanarchist feel to it. With more than a bit of full fledged paranoia mixed in. He writes bad.

  • natoslug

    [re=515806]datruth[/re]: I love my wife, kids, extended family, chocolate and Buffalo Trace bourbon. I have no romantic yearnings for the President. I do, however, feel that he is at least trying to get something done, and in comparison with the previous President, has done a pretty good fucking job. Of course, that’s a low bar, isn’t it? Unfortunately, he insists on Governing While Black, which tends to bring out the whackjobs (find a mirror and you should see a prime example) and make his job all that more difficult.


    Errrrrrrrm, I’m a little reluctant to post, being both an engineer and somewhat sympathetic to the Tea Party, but I’ll give it a go. Gotta agree – he had some valid yet poorly worded issues, but endangering the *innocent* lives of others for your cause is unacceptable.

    That said, I need some help from this forum on this whole teabagger thing. (And I mean the political interpretation, not the other one) As I understand it, the Tea Party movement was started as party-independent under the fundamental principles that they believe government is getting too big, controlling too many things that should basically be left to free enterprise, and spending far too much money. Despite popular belief, they continue to make it clear that they are NOT aligned with the Republican party (despite Rush’s assertions to the contrary). They’re not dems, either, or moderates or libertarieans or any other moniker you want to attach. They just think government is too big and spends too much money. Period. Not gay rights or abortion or God vs. evolution or any other issue. I kinda agree (should I feel all dirty now?) Did I miss something? Are they really all that bad? Is there something else they stand for that would warrant such derision from this forum?

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