Liberal heartthrob Barack Obama had so much fun bombing Muslims over the weekend! There’s hardly anything that drives the libtards nuts like having the robot death planes bomb poor countries and then having somebody at a podium just barely suppressing their drunken laughter as they claim it was “Hitler’s Number Two” or whatever. Oh wait, there is actually another thing that drives the Left just as crazy: Putting nuclear plants all over America! So now Obama will do that, because why not.
Look, let’s all be honest with ourselves for a moment: It doesn’t matter what Barack Obama and his administration tries to do, it doesn’t matter what the House and Senate won’t do, it just doesn’t fucking matter. The wingnuts and teabaggers won’t like it, the Hope/Change dummies won’t like it, and 98% of it will never happen anyway, because this country is actually done — “done” as in, if you have kids and aren’t using them for heating fuel yet, then you better teach them Chinese, or send ‘em to prep school in India, just try to figure out a way that they can go somewhere better and maybe bring you along, right? Anyway, Obama, Department of Energy, challenges, etc.:
President Barack Obama announced some $8 billion in loan guarantees on Tuesday to build the first U.S. nuclear power plant in nearly three decades and said he saw some common ground with Republicans on climate legislation.
Yeah, sure, that’ll placate ‘em. Good work. And let’s all forget that Americans can’t build anything that doesn’t immediately fall apart, so good luck, too. UDPATE: Probably happening in the (U.S. state of) Georgia, so double-who-cares. [Reuters]
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Fired up! Ready to blow!
As long as they build them in Wyoming, I’m happy as a clam.
It’s about time those lazy bums in the FEMA camps were put to work.
nuclear power, that is so ghey
It’ll be all right you lefties. Cause that’s one magic shroom.
Today, we are all Springfield.
So Ken, I see that Juli is blogging over at Vanity Fair!
Is she gone from our beloved Wonkette or is now a ‘bi-blogger’?
The left better get ready to accept nuke plants as part of the future, at least to some degree, unless they’ve developed a desire to clean their clothes at the river’s edge using lye and a rock.
Wind and solar are nice, but we need lots of megawatts to power the future. Since Coal isn’t really an option and fusion is still in development 60 years and counting, we just have old fashioned nukular fission.
Why does the future need more power? Case in point. The CRT (aka tube TVs) use much less energy than the high tech TFT/Plasma Flatscreens, but try buying a CRT (good luck with that.)
I’ll take nukes over coal anyday.
why is it that the president always seems to do something so at odds with his party? Nixon gave us ERISA and got us out of Vietnam; Clinton emasculated AFDC; Bush II gave us a Medicare Drug benefit, and now Hopey wants to put a nuclear power plant on every street corner? Next time I’m voting John Birch — then perhaps we’ll get single payer health insurance.
Fucking libtards need to back off on two fucking things, and they’d be tolerable; fucking guns, and fucking nuclear power. There is no place on earth more commie effete liberal socialist intellectual poetry-spouting homo than France, and look at all their nuke plants. Hey, hmm, maybe disposing of a little spent fuel is much less of an issue than, oh, 200 fucking feet of sealevel rising, maybe? Fucking tards, I blame Jane Fonda for global warming, fast breeder reactors for everyone, dammit. And the anti-gun, it so pisses off the rednecks, and for fucking what?
Nice alt text. Homer Simpson?
Well, I guess it’s better than building nucular plants.
When’s Hopey going to give funding to Ford to finally come out with the Nucleon?
Wouldn’t you trade a warmed planet for a just a wee bit of radiation?
[re=513520]ManchuCandidate[/re]: One day, solar will be the thing……but cost-efficient and stable solar power is still decades away. Thanks, Republican oil fuckers, for not investing in the future when it didn’t suit your political agenda. We’ll eat you all first.
[re=513523]Prommie[/re]: What you said.
[re=513519]Gopherit[/re]: Agreed. Maybe not as our main source, but still. Yes…the waste is a problem, but then so it the smoke generated by “clean coal” (oh, and the solid waste left over from a coal plant.)
[re=513520]ManchuCandidate[/re]: Wow…is that for real? I would have thought the opposite would be true.
[re=513520]ManchuCandidate[/re]: Sad but true. Ask an Amurrican to give up anything, let alone on-demand power for the 6 TVs, 5 cell phone chargers, 5 computers, electronic can opener, electronic nose hair trimmer, electronic cat brusher (OK, I made that up. I think) in his house or use less gas for the three cars the family “needs” and you will be pilloried. People want cheap fuel. Americans are not willing to sacrifice anything for anything. DC’s 5-cent plastic bag tax to help clean up the Anacostia just caused hemorrhagic hissy fits around here. (one guy quoted in the paper said he was going to drive to VA, a hour’s round trip, to avoid the “big government tax”. Smart, dude).
Fuck. I am just all pissy and ranty today. People suck.
Oh hey, Family Guy rules, Palin says MacFarland kicked her in the gut!
“Placate” is the new “bi-partisan”.
Since when does nuclear power drive the left crazy? It’s an accusation I’ve heard from some rightly friends – “if you’re so concerned about the environment, why don’t you support nuclear power?” – which must come from Rush and his ilk; either that or every single other liberal I know is atypical in their support for nuclear power.
[re=513511]gurukalehuru[/re]: Couldn’t they just build them at Yucca Mountain (the nuke waste disposal site) and save a lot of transport cost? It’s easier to ship electricity than spent u-235 or plutonium fuel rods.
This is in accordance with the prophecy.
[re=513523]Prommie[/re]: agreed. we’re going to need a well-armed citizenry to defend our nuclear power plants.
Heheh, I have a personal nuclear plant, in my pants. If I wore pants. Goddamn metaphors! Just have sex with me. Now. All of you.
I’m for nuclear power. They love it in teh France.
[re=513529]Dashboard_Buddha[/re]:
The rough rule of thumb on power consumption I learned in engineering schol (sic) for ICs is the more transistors, the more current required hence the more power required.
Right now, we have PCs with KW (1000 Watts for those who don’t get metric) power supplies. Back in the early days of “personal” computing my beloved C64 would run on a mere 25 Watts of power.
[re=513530]Doglessliberal[/re]: While we’re at it, let’s ask Mercuns to give up the 2000-SF “home,” forty miles from the workplace, kept air-conditioned to 68 degrees all summer?
I’m in favor of nuclear power. Massive giveaways to industry, not so much.
[re=513533]JMP[/re]: 1) because when it goes wrong (Three Mile Island, Chernobyl) it goes really really really wrong; and 2) because they still haven’t figured out a place to put all the waste. Not even Nevada — NEVADA — will take it.
[re=513518]rubybuckaroo[/re]: Unfortunately, she has betrayed us:
http://wonkette.com/413654/important-changes-regarding-your-wonkette-bye-and-thanks-but-mostly-thanks
[re=513523]Prommie[/re]:
But but but you can’t grow flowers with nuclear power!
I’d like to nominate the great state of Texas -
@JMP: Here are some charts which are impossible for me to understand. Enjoy!
I’m confused. The liberals hate nuclear power and the conservatives love it (well, nucular anyway), but it is the biggest thing in France! And I thought the French hated freedom (Declarations of the Rights of Man notwithstanding). I need some guidance from Glen Beck on this one!
Isn’t it possible that this proposed subsidy is, like the change in off-shore drilling leases that went through congress in late 2008, really just a bone thrown to an industry that ultimately won’t want to chew on it. When Palin and her fans started chanting “drill baby, drill” Pelosi made her smartest legislative move ever by giving them what they wanted and the oil companies promptly neglected to actually begin drilling. Even at 8 billion the amount Obama is offering the Utility industry isn’t enough to get a bunch of Nuke plants built unless the Utility companies can find a lot of private capital to match it and from what I’ve read that could be tough to do. So at the end of the day you can say, Hey, I offered them incentives but they still didn’t build the things.
Sit Republicans down with a baguette and a uranium fuel rod, call them gay French mime-humping fucks and move on.
Obama must believe that kids with an arm growing out of their heads will be part of the Democratic base going forward. (Although Rahm will call them retards.)
[re=513523]Prommie[/re]: And the anti-gun, it so pisses off the rednecks, and for fucking what?
In the USA anyone who wants a gun simply buys one, legally or illegally. Unless a majority of the population is behind it as is the case in the UK (save Northern Ireland) and which has super-restrictive gun laws.
It just gives the right wing another issue to whip up the morans with.
[re=513548]Naked Bunny with a Whip[/re]: Looks like the Rainbow Coalition to me.
[re=513545]El Pinche[/re]:
Thank you for that.
I have been away for some time and missed that post.
Thanks for getting me up to speed!
[re=513546]Tommmcatt[/re]: yeah, you can. and they’ll glow in the dark.
[re=513548]Naked Bunny with a Whip[/re]: that’s an interesting way of having sex with everyone. but i cannot smoke enough dope to make those charts fun. it looks like they already smoked it all, anyway. or they’ve been irradiated.
You’ve been so cheery lately, Papa Bear, I hardly know where I am at times!
[re=513523]Prommie[/re]: You are absolutely correct, sir! Except for the gun thing. But yeah, we should have small nuclear devices powering our iPods and glow-in-the-dark TruckNutz.
@slappypaddy: Also, radiation makes vegetables grow to enormous size and grant you superpowers. This from a study by Hinkley, Gilligan, et al.
[re=513533]JMP[/re]: Oh I know, Rush et al understand perfectly that the reason people wanted to slow nuclear development was because of (1) fallout studies from Japan, (2) Three Mile Island, (3) Chernobyl. Today, we have three extra decades of knowledge (not to mention two fully operational nuclear waste storage sites, WIPP and Yucca Mountain) to work with while designing the next generation of nuclear plants. That’s awesome.
Yeah, I’m basically lefty/liberal, but if people can’t conserve (and we can’t) then nuclear plants are an interesting and workable long-term solution. I remain grateful, however, to the old hippies who called that industry out back in the 1980s, things were developing waaayyy too fast.
And Ken seems to be running a one-man blog. Has he fired everyone or actually killed and eaten ‘em? Or perhaps Jim is on a sensitive mission requiring nose glasses and a trenchcoat?
Cool! Let’s go out with a Bang, not a Whimper.
Since it’s in Georgia, we can start by burying the nucular waste under Stone Mountain.
I’m a die hard liberal (non-Democrat strain) and I’ve advocated for nuclear power for decades now. Yes disposal is a problem, but arguably no more of one than the massive downsides of the alternatives.
[re=513571]TGY[/re]:
I have Jim tied upo in the “special” room. He says hi.
I keep hearing ‘rumors’ about the ‘new’ nuclear technology that can run on the spent fuel rods we already have stacking up everywhere from the ‘old’ plants.
But regardless, ummm, nuclear power seems to be the only source that never weans itself off the government teat;
besides government financing, we have to provide all the insurance since no private corporation will insure these plants.
6 billion to build a new reactor.
Ka-boom! instead of setting money on fire, we can just blow it to smithereens
LCD televisions and monitors can use more electricity than a CRT model simply because, on average, they can be a whole lot bigger. If you did a comparison of an LCD unit to a CRT of the same size, the LCD would take less energy. However, try getting somebody to settle for a meager 27″ LCD when they can get the 92″ Jumbotron Delux from their local Walmart on sale.
Plasma TVs on the other hand… not even remotely efficient.
The big problem is that if/when something does go wrong, no insurance company is going to pay for the loss of you uninhabitable house. Check out the “nuclear” exclusion on your policy.
[re=513533]JMP[/re]: Prolly goes back to Jane Fonda, as Prommie suggests. The babe who married Ted Turner and later got born again–y’kno, the flaming radical.
@TGY: Turns out Wonkette is run entirely by Highlanders.
[re=513569]Naked Bunny with a Whip[/re]: oh, i wants me some of those superpowers! i could especially use that superpower vision that cuts through the fog of my own confusion.
[re=513544]bureaucrap[/re]: They don’t make nuclear plants like they used to and thank heavens for that. The plants we have now are orders of magnitude better and safer.
See our Fount of Wisdom (Wikipedia), for instance:
“Recent reports claim that coal power actually results in more radioactive waste being released into the environment than nuclear power, and that the population effective dose equivalent from radiation from coal plants is 100 times as much as nuclear plants.[79] Indeed, coal ash is not more radioactive than nuclear waste, but nuclear plants use shielding to protect the environment from the irradiated reactor vessel, fuel rods, and any radioactive waste on site.”
[re=513531]Prommie[/re]: She wishes it would have happened while she was pregnant.
[re=513578]vendetta[/re]: yeah, it’s right up there with “act of god.” go figure.
[re=513523]Prommie[/re]: Wouldn’t someone who is fucking guns, even the big bad boy 45, have a serious problem with pencilicus dickus? Their johnson would be under a half-inch in diameter.
[re=513523]Prommie[/re]: You forgot Greenpeace, much worse offender than Ms. Fonda. Greenpeace caused more environmental/economic damage to this county over the last 30 years than Bin Laden and Dick Cheney combined. The French get it right and we screw the pooch, wow, how’d we mess that one up so bad. Who do we owe more to our Saudi Arabian overlords or the Chinese ones we borrow from to pay the Saudi Oil bill.
Oh, and Wiki-wiki (Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCD)
“Energy use per inch is another metric for comparing different display technologies. CRT technology is more efficient per square inch of display area, using 0.23 watts/square inch, while LCDs require 0.27 watts/square inch. Plasma displays are on the high end at 0.36 watts/square inch and DLP/rear projection TVs represent the low end at 0.14 watts/square inch.”
[re=513563]rubybuckaroo[/re]: So…you disappeared for god knows how long and then just came traipsing here, still sweaty from Vanity Fair? What kind of dirty, self-loathing whore do you think your Wonkett is? (rhetorical, rhetorical)
[re=513581]Naked Bunny with a Whip[/re]: THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE (EDITOR)!
[re=513541]V572625694[/re]: Suggesting that’ll get you shot.
[re=513541]V572625694[/re]: oh, and in the DC metro area, it is more like 5000 sf. And the kids’ rooms all have their own TVs and computers and minifridges, so no one ever has to see each other.
[re=513523]Prommie[/re]: “fast breeder reactors” = the Palin ladies?
[re=513595]red sky[/re]: That’s very interesting indeed. Please explain how Greenpeace managed to accomplish so much to outshine the magnificent accomplishments of the Cheney years. I thought they were just middle children in a rainbow boat. Rub a dub dub.
[re=513603]Snarkalicious[/re]: WIN for my morning!
[re=513595]red sky[/re]: the French have trouble with their reactors every summer because the water used for cooling is too warm….causes the plants to shut down.
I dont think warm water in the summer will affect a plant in Georgia, USA.
will it?
[re=513520]ManchuCandidate[/re]: [re=513598]TGY[/re]: Depends on who you talk to. It’s true that plasma screens *are* less efficient than CRTS, but LCDs, (the ones that people are actually buying) are more efficient than CRTs, up to about 40″, then it starts to swing the other way.
EfficientProducts.org
[re=513607]Doglessliberal[/re]: Only in US America’s Second Amendment playground, Huntsville, AL. They settle their academic disputes so much more decisively than those pussies in Cambridge, with their snide remarks.
Also. solar energy is ready, *right now*, to take a huge part of the load. It’s just really, really expensive compared to other commercial energy types at the moment. And since all the cost is up front, it’s hard to make the leap.
[re=513619]V572625694[/re]: didn’t the shooter learn her tricks in massachusetts when she shotgunned her brother?
[re=513626]slappypaddy[/re]: I love that: “accidental”. As someone who shoots, I have a hard time understanding how a shotgun “went off accidentally”. Three times. While she was learning how to clean it. Yeah right.
[re=513580]chaste everywhere[/re]: Yeah, it looks like that may be where the perception comes from. As someone who’s old but not yet ancient, that was way before my time; and maybe it’s a generational thing, with some Baby Boomer liberals still against nuke power but the rest of us not yet eligible for the AARP having no problem with it.
I hope the reactors don’t do like it’s doing in the picture. Can we put them in Haiti, just to be safe?
[re=513520]ManchuCandidate[/re]: There’s wind and waves and and tides and geothermal and solar, really, we haven’t even begun to tap the true potential of solar. But, yeah, we probably need the nuke plants, too, at least in the short term.
[re=513634]JMP[/re]: and doesn’t Martin Sheen get arrested every year or so for chaining himself to a nuclear power plant fence? Sort of old school libtard.
[re=513523]Prommie[/re]: Pissing off the rednecks is a goal in itself.
[re=513632]Doglessliberal[/re]: it was on full auto.
[re=513511]gurukalehuru[/re]: Or the South. Anywhere in the South would be fine. NOT New Orleans. They have enough problems.
[re=513544]bureaucrap[/re]: Ahem. I do not see any need to drag me into this. That was a long time ago.
[re=513523]Prommie[/re]: “And the anti-gun, it so pisses off the rednecks, and for fucking what?” For not being shot in the face by gangbangers with submachine guns, I guess? But seriously … is pissing off rednecks no longer a valid reason to support something?
I’m with you on nuclear, though.
Why are people getting upset? The proposed new nuclear power plants are scheduled to be built in Hawaii, Miami, Cape May, Cape Cod, Cape Fear, the Outer Banks, near Assateague Island, and on land near the Grand Canyon. So what’s the problem?
It just doesn’t matter! It just doesn’t matter!
[re=513643]gurukalehuru[/re]: Solar should be the future, since it’s the ultimate source of all the other forms of power except nuclear fission. But, as high tech as we’ve gotten, we still can’t find a way to convert it that’s anywhere near as efficient as chlorophyll; once again, evolution has us beat.
[re=513587]TGY[/re]: Ahem. Yes I was going to mention the fact that the coal in North Dakota (and Montana?) is overlain by a thin layer of uranium. (fact) My belief is that this layer is a result of the time when the dinosaurs exterminated themselves in a teh last nukular war.
I live four blocks away from Yucca Mountain. If you can believe the letters to the editor of the local fishwrapper, it’s only the Las Vegas libtards that don’t like the idea of being the nation’s nuclear landfill. Because of a thing called PETT, free money from the feds that has kept this county afloat for decades. Oh, and teh jerbs. I don’t much care anymore, except for the transport part of the equation. Trucks crash, trains crash. All it takes is one.
If we’re gonna go down the nuclear power road, I say let the government OWN them, don’t just pay someone else billions of dollars in the name of free enterprise.
Shit, people. Why don’t we just cap Yellowstone and run this whole bitch on geothermal? Drill, baby, drill!
[re=513634]JMP[/re]: i’m a boomer and while i’m not gung-ho the glow, i know the pre-industrial world is not going to return short of about 6 billion people dying right away. no genies go back into bottles. but gather round all you young’uns, here’s a thing about the boomers: we were kids during a time when the fear of an all-out nuclear holocaust was ever-present. it was a nightmare that those who came of age after the wall came down cannot comprehend. add to that three mile island and chernobyl, and it’s easy to see why some boomers are skittish about the splitting of the atom. imagine living in a world where the masters of war are telling you all the time how you are in danger of being fried from the skies with scant warning. it’s a wonder we boomers are not all quivering in darkened corners (the availability of psychoactive substances greatly helped us survive the cold war).
[re=513623]Lascauxcaveman[/re]: No, solar is ‘on par’ with nuclear now.
that what I dont get. We should be manufacturing industrial solar panels right now in the US instead of buying them from Germany & china.
i am waiting for the solar paint, solar curtains, solar window glass and solar roofing material to come on line. Just waiting to redo my house!
[re=513668]Ducksworthy[/re]:not to mention the problems with uranium mining.
The Navajos have much to say about this issue since they are still waiting for the government to clean up the mess made by Los Alamos in the ’40′s.
And have a ginormous increase in birth defects and cancers to show for it.
[re=513634]JMP[/re]: Sounds about right to me, though I’m a boomer (hence part of the ancien regime) and have come around to being okey-dokey with it, as have most others I know of my g-g-g-generation.
Yay nuclear power! Remember the August 14th blackout when New Yorkers had to walk home in the summer heat? No? You would remember if the blackout was caused by nuclear plant accident.
[re=513510]hedgehog[/re]: Now that is classic remark. A+++++
Oh, is everyone else sending their kids to school in India.
I THOUGHT OF IT FIRST.
[re=513677]sati demise[/re]: No, solar is ‘on par’ with nuclear now.
Yeah, that’s probably right, which is the real reason nuke power is relatively uncommon in the USA, isn’t it? Good old-fashioned market forces working like they’re supposed to (!)
Nuke plants have pretty muck *never* been built w/o fat gov subsidies, have they? It’s everything else that’s cheaper, at the moment.
God, I hope oil prices take another big jump soon.
[re=513534]V572625694[/re]: Most of the folks who defend the Yucca Mountain plan cite a number of reasons why plants should not be built near the site. Mostly it’s the idea that producing the power on the same site that you are storing the spent fuel: a.-increases the amount of radiation exposure in a concentrated area and b.- increases the likelihood of a catastrophic incident. All that being said that’s exactly the current situation, most nuclear power plant’s store their nuclear waste in or around the plant site. which many claim is a bad idea and thus the necessity of a central location like Yucca Mountain away from active plant sites.
[re=513704]Deggjr[/re]: Because the plant would have stopped generating electricity? I’m not sure what you’re saying here.
[re=513675]slappypaddy[/re]: Chernobyl was caused by an ancient, poorly-designed reactor being badly maintained by pretty much the worst regulatory authority imaginable and then subjected to a blatantly dangerous test which was more or less guaranteed to produce a meltdown. The conditions were so unusual that you might as well cite Hiroshima, too.
It’s notable that Three Mile Island is the other event mentioned: it, too, was a result of shoddy regulation and now-outdated technology. Despite its high profile, it led to no detectable deaths.
Those are the two most serious civilian nuclear power accidents. The remainder of serious events have been from nuclear submarines, and you’re welcome to mothball every one of those as far as I’m concerned. Beyond that, events are usually minor errors which result in a part of the plant having to be decontaminated or workers being exposed. Which is bad, but it’s not like coal, gas, geothermal, hydroelectric, solar, and wind don’t all have their own labor safety issues. Remember that gas plant explosion a few weeks ago?
OK done with that now.
Teabagging 4 2012. whoo.
Welcome back, hippie scum. http://tinyurl.com/ygptmtb
[re=513658]assistant/atlas[/re]: Machineguns intensely regulated since 1934, gangbangers not regulated at all hence problem. Regulate gangbangers to gallows, problem solved…
[re=513538]Naked Bunny with a Whip[/re]: Tough crowd! Alright, someone’s got to step up. *meekly raises hand*
[re=513856]Fuck Toad[/re]: tell that to the Navajos who have had their scarce water supplies contaminated by uranium mining and have radioactive dust storms from superfund sites that have yet to be cleaned up by the feds.
its just the warm glow of radioactivity.
I have no problems with corporate run nuke plants so long as their balance sheets must include a line item for the requisite 25,000 years of waste containment and storage. The resulting tsunami of red ink should suitably terrify any potential investors.
[re=513521]Fox n Fiends[/re]: Well, nukes are most certainly better than coal at blowing the tops off mountains, plus the radiation-tainted water gives the local moon-shine that special kick…
[re=513521]Fox n Fiends[/re]: Well, nukes are most certainly better than coal at blowing the tops off mountains, plus the radiation-tainted water gives the local hydroponically-grown Canuck-Thunderfuck marijuana that special kick…
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