The “godfather of neoconservatism,” Irving Kristol, died at 89 today. Although he has been quieter in recent years, Kristol’s personal political history is famous, and probably over-exaggerated, but goes something likes this: when he was an undergraduate at the “radical” City College of New York, from which he graduated in 1940, his small group of Trotskyite (or at least anti-Stalinist) leftists held ferocious debates from Alcove 1 of the college’s lunch room with the pro-Stalinist leftists in Alcove 2, about politics.
Then Kristol decided that the left was insane, and communism could only manifest itself in evil dictators who needed to be overthrown as usurpers of liberty. This was neoconservatism, or something. Kristol would later sell his cadre out to the religious right, which was growing to dominate the Republican party.
And at some point, he spawned, which was of course his greatest offense.
Irving Kristol, 1920 – 2009 [Weekly Standard]
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Do we have confirmation, i.e. Bill Kristol saying he’s alive?
Am I supposed to forgive him at this time for spawning a chronically wrong fucktard? Because I don’t.
And his boy, Lil’ Bill (who never once relied on his Father’s name and reputation) beshat sarah Palin. Evil seed, indeed.
There’s a good documentary about his strange ideological transformation called “Arguing the World.” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0129758/
“This documentary tells the story of a hotbed of Jewish intellectualism, New York’s City College c. 1930, and in particular follows the careers of four of the greatest minds to emerge from that environment. In following the divergent paths of Bell, Glazer, Howe, and Kristol, the film serves as a powerful record both of American intellectual history and of the peculiar role of a generation of Jewish thinkers in riding and shaping that history.”
What’s the minimum acceptable time we have to wait before calling him out on his lifelong journey of epic misguided douchery?
Captain Kangaroo is dead? Nooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooo!
bye bye evil fuck. so sympathy for the devil.
@shorts NO SYMPATHY. JEEBUS YOU DUMB FUCK. Just die now.
It’s clear from that picture that William inherited the rictus look from Pappy.
Burn in Hell, you colossal asswipe. I hope the first thing you see in the afterlife is the hundreds of thousands who lost their lives to your evil ideology, coming to claim your bones.
One less McCarthyite, pro-religious-right, anti-government-helping-poor-people, American exceptionalist, imperialist boob. He is survived by his wife, two children, and a veritable infestation of crappy ideas, bad logic, bad economics, bad foreign policy, military ignorance, the connections to see them all through to their inevitably horrific conclusions and the myopia not to acknowledge any of that. Regardless of whatever sort of father or person he might have been, the corpse of his ideas deserves to be buried in a bucket of lukewarm piss.
So old Irving led a Troskyite insurrection from an “alcove” at City College? Ballsy…
Like young Bill ginning up a war from a brownstone in Georgetown.
Yeah, good choice, Irving. Communism may beget evil dictators, but W & Cheney did their best to live up to that example. I’m sure they could’ve killed numbers to rival Stalin, if only they’d been more ruthless and held power via military coup for 30 years. Say hi to Satan for me, Irvy.
It’s spelled “Crystal”, btw, dude. Later.
Eat me, Denby.
[re=414553]OReillysVibrator[/re]: Nice!
[re=414562]shortsshortsshorts[/re]: No worries, Shorts. I knew what you meant. Maybe. Wait, what were you trying to say?
I thought Paul Harvey died already.
[re=414576]hobospacejunkie[/re]: [re=414568]Jim Demintia[/re]: Mountains of corpses, oceans of blood, blah, blah, blah.
At least he didn’t leave the scene of an accident on Martha’s Vineyard.
Kristol Naught.
[re=414577]magic titty[/re]: It is indeed a sad day to be a Skesis.
What? A genuine neo-con who actually wore a uniform and fought in a war? How can this be?
The 2009 Summer Death Parade of Stars continues…
At least he lived long enough to see his movement meet its destiny of becoming the political/military/foreign policy joke it deserves to be.
[re=414556]President Dork[/re]: Twenty minutes is fine with me.
Now is the time on Sprocket when we dance. And dildos are still illegal in Alabama.
Continuation of Kronstadt by different means? Except that Trotsky led the crushing of the Kronstadt rebellion. i dunno, following these guys gets murky. At least Smiley vs Karla had an end — not so here.
Yo Irving Kristol, your death was pretty good, and I’ma let you finish, but Leon Trotsky got an ice-pick in the back of the head somewhere in Mexico city by a KGB assassin… and that was the best death ever.
[re=414600]Prommie[/re]: That’s why Jeebus made cucumbers.
[re=414553]OReillysVibrator[/re]: win
So will neocon Lyndon LaRouche outlast the others? Woo boy if he becomes their standard bearer.
[re=414553]OReillysVibrator[/re]: Bill Kristol thinks your comment was an EPIC FAIL.
Newt Gingrich would still hit it, tho.
Maybe Billy will rush off to join him. A boy can dream, can’t he?
One small vote less for Glenn Beck in 2012 and one irrelevant leap for humanity.
Wisdom from the Irv:
“A liberal is one who says that it’s all right for an 18-year-old girl to perform in a pornographic movie as long as she gets paid the minimum wage”. Minimum wage = porn.
“Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions – it only guarantees equality of opportunity.” Bullshit on the second part.
“The major political event of the 20th century is the death of socialism.”
Hahahahahhahahahahhahahaha, a-heh. Glad you got to see the 21st, Irv.
Christ, you guys, a man is dead! Have you no shame? I know we may not agree with all of this guy’s political views, but he was a human being with a family who loved him. Politics shouldn’t override basic decency and kindness. I’m reminded of something David Broder once wrote – wait, it was that Kristol? Okay, he can burn in hell.
[re=414607]Speed Ball[/re]: +1 Frida Kahlo painting
[re=414616]zenferret[/re]: Lyndon LaRouche wishes he could hang with the neocons.
Geez – sorry to hear it. Was he Bill’s dad – or Billy’s?
Did he also shag Ayn Rand — I mean that’s how this whole neocon thing started, isn’t it?
[re=414665]S.Luggo[/re]: #1. A conservative thinks it’s ok for an 18-year-old girl to perform in her married boss’s (or master’s) bed for free.
#2. That’s been re-written by the right wingnutz to “no guarantee of equality of outcomes.” Based on that, they now oppose equality of opportunity – why bother?
#3. My bad. I would have said WW II – the continuation of politics by other means…
Nobody’s named “Irving” any more. I think the last person was the actor “Ving” Rimes – named for famous newscaster Irving R. Levine (Levin? Hollywood & Levine? – one of them!).
[re=414569]SayItWithWookies[/re]: BAM! What he said…
[re=414665]S.Luggo[/re]:
He was “rite” about the equality of opportunity, especially if you needed to hire someone as editor and knew some kid named Bill and his last name was Kristol.
A poem, I think, is in order:
So farewell, Irving Kristol
Founder, some say, of the Neo-cons
Some might have stopped at that
But no, you shot your old man jizz
Into an unsuspecting ovum
And sent forth a giant douche
Today, we are all dead Zionist warmongering…
Oh fuck it. I just hate his son so baaad.
As Dottie Parker famously commented when told that Herbert Hoover had died, “How could they tell?”
[re=414591]bitchincamaro[/re]: It must have been while he was still a patriotic-minded Communist.
[re=414569]SayItWithWookies[/re]: You are too generous, cold piss only, so no warmth is transferred.
I’m not sure what makes him worse, being a Communist in the first place (which implies ignorance and/or college attendance) or becoming a Reaganite imperialist (which implies dickheadery). Radical leftists suck almost as much as neocons, but at least the young ones can be excused for not knowing anything.
Is the “City College of New York” an accredited institution?
First time as tragedy, second time as farce, third time as Sarah Palin.
Brett Favre will have a huge day this Sunday. Not ’cause another father named Irvin(g) died. Ol’ Gunslinger’s just playing the Lions.
He looks nice enough in that photo, and I can sort of see the sense in his political transformation… but it makes me shudder to think he is the man who brought forth and shaped Bill Kristol… one of the biggest fucking douchebags on the planet…
[re=414553]OReillysVibrator[/re]: Dude, nice. I actually guffawed loud enough for my boss to look over at me suspiciously.
Didn’t he diddle his shoot-off Bill Kristol, ala Mark Foley page-style?
[re=414569]SayItWithWookies[/re]: Gee, Wooks, don’t sugar coat it. Tell us what you REALLY think of the man . . . .
Birth Certificate please.
So hes gone, Bill ain’t going to all Keef Olberoing us for making fun?
Contest: what bill will congressional Republicans want to name after Irving?
He was a communist that became a neoconservative, starting a grand tradition of Kristols always being wrong.
The Douchefather is dead.
Did this guy pound his meat to Sarah Palin, too, or does that shit skip a generation?
@numbat dundee : That is way too good for me not to steal it.
I was going to say that this death was a mixed blessing: The bad news being that Bill Kristol apparently had a shot at making it to age 89, the good news being that that at least this Sunday morning would be one where one could safely turn on the television without having to see that schmuck Bill Kristol.
Then I realized that the tasteless act of flogging his father’s death on the teevee was precisely the sort of thing Bill Kristol would do, so I guess my personal celebrations have been short-lived, indeed.
Still, one less.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/036543.html
… Using his early training as a Trotskyite, and a natural talent for organizing, recruiting, and demagoguery, he managed to take over the Stupid Party, i.e., the conservative movement and the Republicans. Whatever was good, he purged or smeared, in the cause of what he dubbed “neoconservatism” …
[re=414849]Carrie_Okie[/re]: [re=414855]WadISay[/re]: [re=414885]Dilaceratus[/re]:
outstanding
Rot in hell you smelly bag of bones.
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, it’s time to start the betting pool! By this time next month, which of the following facts will finally be revealed about this “neoconservative lion?”
A gay lover? A black child? A black gay lover? Mountains of personal debt (at least half of which to the IRS)? Starred in or was otherwise involved in the making of (e.g. fluffer) an obscure pornographic film? Paid for an abortion? Isn’t really Bill’s father? Lied about his military service? Secret Muslin? Thought the poor ain’t so bad?
Sorry, having collected Medicare and Social Security is a given.
[re=414720]Scandalabra[/re]: You lie. Not Hoover. Calvin Coolidge, the Great Stone Face.
Thus we see one more example of the failure the Public Option, this time in snark. When will we ever learn?
I think his best work was from the mid-60′s. “Papa’s Got a Brand New Bag” and “I Got You (I Feel Good)” were…oh, sorry, thought you were talking about the Godfather of Soul.
Where’s he buried? If I pass by, I’ll be sure to urinate on his grave.
[re=414607]Speed Ball[/re]: “Yo Irving Kristol, your death was pretty good, and I’ma let you finish, but Leon Trotsky got an ice-pick in the back of the head somewhere in Mexico city by a KGB assassin… and that was the best death ever.”
Brilliant.
[re=414691]Tundra Grifter[/re]: I belive “Scooter” Libby’s first name is Irving. So, they are still among the living.
Dead at last! Dead at last! Thank God Almighty, he’s dead at last!
Wall Street
Art students
9/11 snow job
Chicken hawks
Moving company
Propaganda media
DNC stealth neocons
Anti-semitism accusers
The chosen the superior
2-3% of the US population
Extortion blackmail bribery
By deception ye shall wage war
AIPAC’s Israel-first dual-nationals
For profit NotFederal NoReserve scam
Words are plentiful deeds are precious!
[re=415029]nader paul kucinich gravel[/re]: What are you doing? Get out of my mind!
What is a better item to punctuate the end of neo-conservatism than a corpse?
[re=414607]Speed Ball[/re]: [re=414607]Speed Ball[/re]: Not to be too Monday morning on you, but I believe it was an ice axe. I remember this because ever since I first read it I’ve wondered “Who has an ice axe in Mexico city?” It’s not exactly the Swiss Alps…
[re=415002]LoweredPeninsula[/re]: Scooter – the “Did you know aspens have a single root?” poet. I recently read the Western aspens are dying off – from shame?
Where’s the death certificate!?
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