• May 27, 2012

John McCain Booed For Saying President Understands Constitution

by Jim Newell  4:18 pm August 25, 2009

Ha ha, we love it when situations call for WALNUTS! to become the voice of reason. Here is the exact question that this old lady, let’s call her “Medicare & Social Security Teat-Suckler #1,” poses to the Man Who Would Be President: “I would like to know how the president is getting by with all of this… money… it’s against the Constitution. Doesn’t he know that we still live under a Constitution?” [WILD APPLAUSE ERUPTS AFTER THIS DISASTROUS NONSENSE] Walnuts responds that, yes, he does know this [AUDIENCE: SMUG LAUGHTER] and even dares say that Obama respects the Constitution. The audience does not care for this sentiment. [YouTube]

{ 130 comments }

AbstinenceOnly Ed August 25, 2009 at 4:22 pm

Sure he understands it NOW THAT HE’S REPLACED IT WITH THE QU’RAN!!!!!!!1111 ALLAHU AKBAR, death to america, jesus, your grandma, and smoochy also.

itgetter August 25, 2009 at 4:23 pm

Oh walnuts, your decency is showing. How embarrassing.

ManchurianCandidate August 25, 2009 at 4:23 pm

Ooh! I have an idea! Let’s take away the Medicare AND Social Security benefit of every old fart wingnut who publicly speaks against government health care. Thankfully, they’ll be dead soon.

x111e7thst August 25, 2009 at 4:24 pm

John McCain should limit his pronouncements to screaming gibberish and making strange grunting noises. His target audience will understand perfectly.

orange August 25, 2009 at 4:24 pm

I kinda miss him

The Station Manager August 25, 2009 at 4:25 pm

Foreign-born WALNUTS! was obviously a plant. Do you know how easy it would be for some Madrasa-loving Ay-rabs to give birth to him, several centuries ago, ship him off to the Middle East, to a country called “Panama”, and build a military base there, then say he was born on it? Leave America to the Americans, WALNUTS!

RoscoePColtraine August 25, 2009 at 4:25 pm

I had to do a double take when I saw this thing on live TV. It was held in a church, with a cross up on the front wall, and everytime someone would stand up and say how dare we give medical treatment to illegal aliens they would get a standing ovation. Just surreal.

Texan Bulldoggette August 25, 2009 at 4:25 pm

Is it stupid of me to ask what they thought he was doing as a Constitutional professor all those years? Trying to come up with ways to undo it?? Yeah, that must be it….

Woodwards Friend August 25, 2009 at 4:26 pm

What the hell was that illiterate old retard asking? It sounded like a John Edward cold read…”something about the money?”

AbstinenceOnly Ed August 25, 2009 at 4:27 pm

We should seriously consider the Coen Brothers suggestion of RAZING ARIZONA.

V572625694 August 25, 2009 at 4:27 pm

Love the look on WALNUTS face when he turns away from the wacky crone: “How the fuck do you answer that one?”

RoscoePColtraine August 25, 2009 at 4:28 pm

McCain actually said one other thing I kinda admired. At one point some heckler started screaming something and McCain said “we don’t shout at my townhall meetings.” But then, he started kissing some old hag’s ass for claiming that Obama was killing the country.

Admire, loathe. Repeat.

Min August 25, 2009 at 4:28 pm

I’ll bet the last time that woman actually read the Constitution, it only had ten Amendments.

PinkyTuscadero August 25, 2009 at 4:29 pm

Wasn’t August supposed to be vacay month? Too much news while I’m trying to ride my Schwinn around the Vineyard. I thought Johnny W.’d been tried by a death panel and found to be already dead but it turns out the death panel was just staging a mock execution or drilling on his big cheek or something.

AbstinenceOnly Ed August 25, 2009 at 4:29 pm

[re=394668]The Station Manager[/re]: LET ME SEE YOUR LONG FORM OLD MAN. Though at this point, they have a better chance of seeing his death certificate.

SayItWithWookies August 25, 2009 at 4:29 pm

McCain mind reader: “Sarah Palin I’m going to kick your ass. Sarah Palin I’m going to kick your ass. Whoever put you in the national spotlight deserves to have his fingernails pulled out by the roots — oh, shit.”

The Station Manager August 25, 2009 at 4:30 pm

[re=394677]Min[/re]: But only one that counts: The Second.

hobospacejunkie August 25, 2009 at 4:31 pm

Would someone please explain what “it’s against the Constitution” means? No Child Left Behind only started 9 years ago. What’s these idiots’ excuse?

imissopus August 25, 2009 at 4:32 pm

Last night I was reading David Foster Wallace’s old Rolling Stone essay from 2000 when he spent a week with the McCain campaign in South Carolina and refers to WALNUTS! as being from “one of the most politically troglodytic states” in America. It does not seem to have improved with age.

Speaking of which, isn’t age supposed to bring wisdom? I’ve apparently been lied to about that as well.

And R.I.P. DFW, we could use some of your pithiness now.

Darkness August 25, 2009 at 4:32 pm

Too bad he didn’t add: “And torture is completely immoral” Cuz he’d deserve to eat the booing from that just for foisting bible spice on the country.

ericstoltz August 25, 2009 at 4:35 pm

Sure he understands the Constitution — the KENYAN constitution, which we all know was written by Satan.

One Yield Regular August 25, 2009 at 4:36 pm

Well that’s about the most decent thing John McCain has done since his 5 1/2 years. But it must be a special feeling, knowing his major role in having spurred on this national rabid bigot mob to become what it is today.

Gopherit August 25, 2009 at 4:37 pm

This is the same bullshit move he pulled with the crazy Palinites. Don’t smack her down for her crazy, John. Just repeat that Obama’s not a bad guy, and really, who’s the boss around here anyway? Someone make Daddy a sammich.

You guys made these monsters, McCain. Stop being a pussy and deal with them.

Gopherit August 25, 2009 at 4:37 pm

Also….why didn’t someone ask John for his burth sertifukut? He’s a goddamn furriner from Panama.

RoscoePColtraine August 25, 2009 at 4:39 pm

One other thing, McCain was booed and hissed when he defended his position on closing Guantanamo. But he stood his ground. And, once again, I couldn’t believe a church packed to the rafters was cheering for brutal inhumane imprisonment of fellow human beings.

Roscoe is now finished with giving Walnuts the love.

Monsieur Grumpe August 25, 2009 at 4:39 pm

“I would like to know how the president is getting by with all of this money, ahh, it’s against the constitution doesn’t he know we still live in a under a constitution?”

??????????!

Gopherit August 25, 2009 at 4:40 pm

[re=394663]ManchurianCandidate[/re]: You’ve never been to Sun City. Those fuckers never die, they just get extra batteries for their golf carts to run their respirators.

stratonike August 25, 2009 at 4:41 pm

I’d like to think he lies awake at night wondering how he ended up surrounded by ignorant nutjobs.

But somehow I doubt he does.

Waco Bandito August 25, 2009 at 4:42 pm

[re=394688]Darkness[/re]: It’s not torture. It’s Uncle Dick’s Freedom Tickles.

WadISay August 25, 2009 at 4:43 pm

How did a room full of beached manatees end up in Arizona?

Katydid August 25, 2009 at 4:43 pm

[re=394676]RoscoePColtraine[/re]: After a mysterious two-year hiatus, Sen. John McCain’s scrotum reappeared, briefly, at an Arizona town hall meeting today, long enough for the senator to defend President Barack Obama, surprising McCain, the country, and alarming the senator’s wife, Cindy. Much to Mrs. McCain’s relief, the long-missing scrotum beat a hasty retreat once the Arizona senator was challenged on his defense of Mr. Obama by irrational old people. The end.

GreatOldOnesParty August 25, 2009 at 4:44 pm

[re=394687]imissopus[/re]: Don’t sell us Arizonan’s short.
All of our crazy olds come from other states.
Us natives look at them as if they’re illegal immigrants.
What with their RV’s, being completely blind and voting Republican.

bfstevie August 25, 2009 at 4:45 pm

They left out the part where Walnuts blamed everything on the trial lawyers.

GreatOldOnesParty August 25, 2009 at 4:46 pm

[re=394705]WadISay[/re]: Again, Recreational Vehicles…

CapnFatback August 25, 2009 at 4:46 pm

The video cut off before that lady’s son got a chance to speak. As a service to Wonkette, I’ll transcribe it: “Everything is different, but the same… things are more moderner than before… bigger, and yet smaller… it’s computers… San Dimas High School football rules!”

x111e7thst August 25, 2009 at 4:47 pm

[re=394700]RoscoePColtraine[/re]: Quite a few of these assholes think of Jesus as a “great American”. Their churches feed their prejudices and compound their ignorance. Actual christianity is as foreign to them as logic or reason. I’m afraid the only solution is Death Panels, followed as quickly as possible by the woodchipper.

Jumping Jim August 25, 2009 at 4:47 pm

“I’m John McCain and I approved this Ad”

The Cold Sea August 25, 2009 at 4:47 pm

Sweet Allah, can teh olds be the first to the behedding stations once Obamba unleashes his jihad?

GreatOldOnesParty August 25, 2009 at 4:51 pm

Define “Irony”: you can actually blame the Messicans in my state for giving it to the Repugs. Since the overwhelming majority of them dern brownies are Catlicks, the Church often “advises” its sheeple on how to vote.
And since the Repugs are anti-abortion, the Messicans are tricked into voting for them. Thus, they sleep well at night; knowing that unborn babies are safe and sound, while their cousin Manuel is being beaten, shot and buried in the desert by the border patrol.

Jukesgrrl August 25, 2009 at 4:52 pm

Where was this filmed? I want to make sure I don’t accidently go there.

The Cold Sea August 25, 2009 at 4:52 pm

This old bitch… I swear to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Your preznit is a constitutional law professor. He’s forgotten more about teh constitushions than all you old sinky farts combined ever knew. Now, run off to Luby’s. It’s meatloaf night.

ante meridiem August 25, 2009 at 4:52 pm

After my medical-bill bankruptcy and eviction, I too lived under a Constitution, but it always leaked in heavy rain. Maybe I should try again in arid Arizona.

kapish August 25, 2009 at 4:53 pm

Seriously, imagine what goes on in McCain’s brain standing in front of all those blithering Lizard People.
When he says, “my friends” to them, do ciruuits fry in his brain? They really are your friends, John.
How did you get to this point, John? Wouldn’t it be better to just drive a beer truck?

RoscoePColtraine August 25, 2009 at 4:54 pm

[re=394709]bfstevie[/re]: Oh I thought that was just swell, too. Nothing too offensive about calling an entire profession “scum sucking bottom feeders.” I dont’ remember booking this trip to Crazyville!!!1!

Internally valid August 25, 2009 at 4:54 pm

[re=394686]hobospacejunkie[/re]: I can’t tell what they’re referring to, either. My only guess is that since we libtards have been claiming things are unconstitutional for a while (torture, wars without declarations, signing statements, warrantless wiretapping) it’s their turn now. I’m guessing that they think “unconstitutional” means “stuff that I don’t like,” and don’t realize that the constitution actually prohibits the list above (#8, Article I/II, ibid, #4).

KilgoreTrout_XL August 25, 2009 at 4:54 pm

Aide: “Um, not being a lying dickhead isn’t technically in the townhall playbook, sir.”
McCain: “Cunts! I knew I fucked that one up. I’m tired. Where do I live again?”

Monsieur Grumpe August 25, 2009 at 4:55 pm

[re=394705]WadISay[/re]:
Hurricane Bill?

Godot August 25, 2009 at 4:55 pm

[re=394665]x111e7thst[/re]: HENNGGHH?!

Johnny Zhivago August 25, 2009 at 4:55 pm

[re=394707]GreatOldOnesParty[/re]: “The Right to Drive” is in the Bill of Rights, isn’t it?

Country Club Jihadi August 25, 2009 at 4:56 pm

It’s called the ConstituShariah now, where death panels include public executions for people like you, Grams.

widestanceromancer August 25, 2009 at 4:58 pm

Would it not be excellent if the first townhall human sacrifice was one of their own? Now that fasting is a marching order, expect even less civility.

Fox n Fiends August 25, 2009 at 4:58 pm

are Americans the stupidest people on the planet? its really looking that way.

badmuthagoose August 25, 2009 at 5:02 pm

Does ANY of these fucknuts know he was a goddamned Constitutional Law professor?

For fuck’s sake, the stupid.

timmy_the_tooth August 25, 2009 at 5:02 pm

I would like to applaud these town-hallbaggers for continuing their efforts to bring rational Americans farcical comedy relief.

speedo August 25, 2009 at 5:05 pm

That crowd presents the best argument yet for pulling the plug on grandma.

V572625694 August 25, 2009 at 5:08 pm

[re=394736]Internally valid[/re]: [re=394686]hobospacejunkie[/re]: “Against the Constitution” is like “unlegal,” only different.

CapnFatback August 25, 2009 at 5:09 pm

Don’t blame the crowd; they simply thought that McCain was denying that Obama was an Arab again.

a_pink_poodle August 25, 2009 at 5:10 pm

Stuff like this convinces me more and more that McCain is a good and honorable person.

gurukalehuru August 25, 2009 at 5:11 pm

Money is unconstitutional?

badmuthagoose August 25, 2009 at 5:12 pm

God, McCain. You should know better than to try to be mature and respectful. That shit doesn’t fly with your little friends there. They’d rather you rage about Obama being a Martian prince hatched from an egg until you end up being carried out on a stretcher with spittle flying everywhere.

grevillea August 25, 2009 at 5:13 pm

C’mon, it’s the constitutional right of the poors to die from septic shock in the gutter. Look it up, libtards!!1!

Suds McKenzie August 25, 2009 at 5:14 pm

They make dinning room tables look like John Adams.

BadKitty August 25, 2009 at 5:15 pm

[re=394751]Fox n Fiends[/re]: Yes. Any other questions?

Caitifty August 25, 2009 at 5:16 pm

[re=394677]Min[/re]: I think you mean 12 amendments. The thirteenth will be a shock to her if anyone can ever get it into her addled head.

forgracie August 25, 2009 at 5:22 pm

I for one feel so proud that my tax dollars go directly to 95% of that crowd (including WALNUTS).

eclecticbrotha August 25, 2009 at 5:23 pm

Patience, dear children. Once the Pig Aids hits in a few more months we won’t be hearing from these people anymore.

eclecticbrotha August 25, 2009 at 5:25 pm

[re=394677]Min[/re]: Then Commandments, and the first nine didn’t count….

DP August 25, 2009 at 5:25 pm

Jeez, he used the word “competition” about ten times in a row. The stuttering prick.

JSDC007 August 25, 2009 at 5:27 pm

Well, if its any consolation, this “greatest generation” of Constitutional experts will soon be dead.

Amen to that. The End.

S.Luggo August 25, 2009 at 5:27 pm

Feh. McCain also said that the Public Option will mean death panels for private health insurance. Your point is what, Senator?

http://www.yourwestvalley.com/news/mccain-8029-city-health.html

LittlePig August 25, 2009 at 5:27 pm

[re=394714]x111e7thst[/re]: I’m afraid the only solution is Death Panels, followed as quickly as possible by the woodchipper.

Have I got a great idea for the background of a Sarah Palin news conference!

inedalo August 25, 2009 at 5:29 pm

i live in europe where health care is for all. public option indeed. if any politico wanted to abolish the state med.program, he’d soon be looking for a new job.
the reason we have it, and those dumb americans don’t — nobody talks about jeebus at election time. the campaigns are all about wallet issues, and rationally discussed.
yes, americans are stupid and therefore don’t deserve to have health care. ignorance breeds bad health.
-a native of DC who chose exile in europe.

theanswer August 25, 2009 at 5:40 pm

Can they start these town halls off with some Schoolhouse Rock videos? I think a sing-a-long of “I’m Just a Bill” with an encore of “Three Ring Government” is in order.

S.Luggo August 25, 2009 at 5:40 pm

[re=394798]eclecticbrotha[/re]: Naughty, naughty, you. Don’t play with my hopes that way.

The olds qualify for free Pig Aids shots under Marxist-Socialist Medicare. The shots will be given in conjunction with Meals-on-Wheel and Hover-Round demontrations. Bingo, also.

While receiving the shots, the olds will be allowed to bitch loudly to the nurse about the Public Option. And their worthless daughter-in-law, that whore.

S.Luggo August 25, 2009 at 5:44 pm

[re=394812]inedalo[/re]: So, how do you like having no right to guns, private property or cable TV, mister smarty pants ex-pat?

Skwerl Nutz August 25, 2009 at 5:58 pm

All four nose breathers applauded….HURRAY…

Who DO these mouth breathers listen too? Apparently not their congressmen,
seriously…besides some rogue Conservatives (aka Michelle Bachmanns) I don’t get it.
But I live in the elitist intellectual suburbs of the Northeast…ao go figure, I’m out of the loop.

trickyrick August 25, 2009 at 6:02 pm

[re=394786]Suds McKenzie[/re]: probable win !

The Station Manager August 25, 2009 at 6:04 pm
ella August 25, 2009 at 6:09 pm

So Arizonans only tote rifles to these get-togethers when a black guy calls the meeting?

Werefrog August 25, 2009 at 6:14 pm

They’re not booing. They’re saying Boo-urns.

DoctorCulturae August 25, 2009 at 6:24 pm

Yes, bad diet, degenerating cognitive function of course. But the ideas being fed and stewing in these brains? Compliments of the Sludge-maker. Don’t know the validity of the data considering the source, but to make a point nonetheless:

CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, AUG. 24, 2009

FOXNEWS O’REILLY 3,440,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,937,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,810,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,450,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,066,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,860,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,114,000
CNN KING 1,063,000
MSNBC MADDOW 885,000
CNN COOPER 827,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 640,000

desertwind August 25, 2009 at 6:30 pm

Too bad McCain doesn’t have the heart to stay permanently motified.

GreatOldOnesParty August 25, 2009 at 6:32 pm

[re=394854]DoctorCulturae[/re]: Out of all the wingtards, I hate Hannity the most. I would not object to his sudden loss of all communication faculties.
I don’t understand why he’s so popular.
THA MAN HAZ NO PRRSONALITY!

One Yield Regular August 25, 2009 at 6:47 pm

[re=394736]Internally valid[/re]: Thanks for that. Source citation should probably be required for referencing any fact thrown up on the internets. Why, back in my day I had to walk five miles each way through the snow to the library to learn how to put together footnotes and endnotes.

The Station Manager August 25, 2009 at 6:49 pm

[re=394854]DoctorCulturae[/re]: “FOXNEWS BECK 2,810,000″

Really? Really?! There are that many dead-eyed motherfuckers out there watching this overgrown infant fartsack babble and sob every day? Jesus fuck, I need a drink.

problemwithcaring August 25, 2009 at 7:04 pm

[re=394854]DoctorCulturae[/re]: [re=394868]The Station Manager[/re]:

I didn’t know that many dumb ass Americans had the disposable income to afford cable.

Are there really that many convalescence homes and mental institutions?

Guppy06 August 25, 2009 at 7:25 pm

[re=394812]inedalo[/re]: “the campaigns are all about wallet issues, and rationally discussed”

That worked wonders for Iceland.

Georgia Burning August 25, 2009 at 7:31 pm

[re=394878]problemwithcaring[/re]: “Are there really that many convalescence homes and mental institutions?”
In Maricopa County- better beleive it!

Nothing wrong with Arizona that won’t be fixed when the government stops supporting the socialist power monopoly that keeps Phoenix residents from free market electric rates. That and restoring the second amendment rights of the Apaches, who can certainly put together a very well-organized militia

friendlyskies August 25, 2009 at 7:34 pm

Ah, classic Walnuts. Now I remember why I considered voting for him, before Palin.

kewlguy42069 August 25, 2009 at 7:35 pm

what on earth is she saying

CapnFatback August 25, 2009 at 8:04 pm

[re=394891]kewlguy42069[/re]: Clearly, she’s saying, “You need to respect the baby, cuz life is precious . . . and God . . . and the Bible.”

hiphophitler August 25, 2009 at 8:18 pm

[re=394891]kewlguy42069[/re]: She’s saying that spending money on health care is unconstitutional. Someone needs to make these people actually read the constitution before they open their mouths and then make them explain what article, clause, or amendment they are talking about. On second thought, there have been polls done showing that if we put the Bill of Rights to a vote today, it would go down in flames, so maybe it’s better to keep the actual constitution away from them so they don’t add an “Everybody Suck Jesus’s Dick” amendment.

wallythepug August 25, 2009 at 8:27 pm

I bet all those college students who took Obama’s constitutional law class will be asking for their money back.

Robert Zimmerframe August 25, 2009 at 8:57 pm

Constitution, radar, it’s all the same to these wackadoodles.

on2u August 25, 2009 at 9:08 pm

McCain is a class act – you wouldn’t hear him make fun or retarded people on national tv (Barry and his bowling score remark) but if you think its okay to kill the unborn and ensure you bankrupt the health care system so seniors and the mentally ill/challenged are rationed services through a “quality years” calculation then whats on offhand remark about “retarded people”?

GreatOldOnesParty August 25, 2009 at 9:23 pm

[re=394900]CapnFatback[/re]: …and the South Africa and the Iraq and such as.

Jumping Jim August 25, 2009 at 9:30 pm

[re=394936]on2u[/re]: OOOHHHH some people are going to comment on that!

But I’ll point out that, just like Social Security, it’s not young healthy people who are bankrupting the system. It’s people who have medical problems who bankrupt the Health care System. Insurance companies would love it if no one ever filed a claim.
Having a more efficient system, holding insurance companies and the medical comunity responsible for escalating costs, along with working with people who want insurance is better than our headlong dash towards things getting worse.

SayItWithWookies August 25, 2009 at 9:31 pm

[re=394936]on2u[/re]: Your services are already rationed, dearie. They’re either rationed by a private bureaucrat (instead of those awful government bureaucrats) or else they’re rationed by your ability to pay for them. Healthcare reform — and especially a public option — will give healthcare to more people, because the people it’s going to help are the ones who don’t get any unless they pay for it out of their own pockets.

Right now 15,000 Americans die every year because they can’t get or can’t afford the healthcare they need. Feel free to explain to me how extending healthcare to people who don’t have it is going to increase that number. Take your time — I’ll be back here in a little bit to check on your progress.

AutomaticPilot August 25, 2009 at 9:46 pm

[re=394936]on2u[/re]: But you don’t understand: retards are so humorous.

on2u August 25, 2009 at 10:26 pm

Sayitwithwookies: Do you really believe you can hold the government accountable for costs – given the 9 trillion dollar deficit? The problem is 15,000 Americans will be a pittance compared to what the numbers will be if this is passed, but it will just be old people who use up all the social security anyway, plus that inheritance tax will come in handy for the government. The “Micheal Moore documentary” was a complete fabrication of facts regarding the health care systems in other countries. Most people are citing him of all people as the expert – what a crock. Talk to some people in Canada, France or the UK. Yes – there are problems that need addressing, but what is being proposed is not the way to go. Why not just open more persons to be covered through Medicaid? Simplier…does not require a whole system change. Oregon is not to happy with their system. What will happen is the doctors will leave there will be no new Doctors due to the high cost of a medical education.

So you realize that the science Czar – John Holdren – will have much to say regarding the “ethics” involved in the new health care system? He co-wrote a book with Paul Ehrlich – the author of the “population Bomb” if you do not know what his book was about I suggest you check out the links below. Here is just one quote from his book: “We must have population control at home, hopefully through changes in our value system, but by compulsion if voluntary methods fail.” – XI
According to Ehrlich the first step to worldwide population control is the control of the American population because:

“We want our propaganda based on “do as we do” – not “do as we say.” “ – 130
A truly commendable ethical stand indeed.

“So the first task is population control at home. How do we go about it? Many of my colleagues feel that some sort of compulsory birth regulation would be necessary to achieve such control. One plan often mentioned involved the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired population size.” 130

Also – Obama is the one who coined the term Czars – how weird and bizarre is that.

http://bodo.gnn.tv/blogs/31178/How_to_Control_the_AMERICAN_Population_by_Paul_Ehrlich_The_Population_Bomb_Part_1

http://www.reason.com/news/show/134795.html

Mr Blifil August 25, 2009 at 10:30 pm

[re=394936]on2u[/re]: That McCain sure is one class act. He never misses a Miss Buffalo Chip contest if there’s a chance of being photographed in front of a large crowd of people and then pretending they came to see him.

on2u August 25, 2009 at 10:31 pm

More from Paul Elrich “Population Bomb” who co-authored a book in 77′ with science Czar John Holden:
“For completeness I will include, below, Ehrlich’s description as to why such a population control method would not work. Please note that his reasoning is purely technical, with no ethical or moral objection to this method. Continuing:

“Those of you appalled at such a suggestion can rest easy. The option isn’t even open to us, since no such substance exists. If the choice now is either such additive or catastrophe, we shall have catastrophe. It might be possible to develop such population control tools, although the task would not be simple. Either the additive would have to operate equally well and with minimum side effects against both sexes, or some way would have to be found to direct it only to one sex and shield the other. Feeding potent male hormones to the whole population might sterilize and defeminize the women, while the upset in the male population and society as a whole can be well imagined. In addition, care would have to be taken to see to it that the sterilizing substance did not reach livestock, either through water or garbage.
Technical problems aside, I suspect you’ll agree with me that society would probably dissolve before sterilants were added to the water supply by the government. Just consider the fluoridation controversy! Some other way will have to be found.” – 130
Some More Subtle Methods

Financial coercion is also an effective method to reduce the population. Ehrlich recommends changes to the income tax laws to encourage small families. But his creativity goes beyond just simple income tax.

“On top of the income tax change, luxury taxes could be placed on layettes, cribs, diapers, diaper services, expensive toys, always with the proviso that the essentials be available without penalty to the poor. There would, of course, have to be considerable experimenting on the level of financial pressure necessary to achieve the population goals. To the penalties could be added some incentives. A governmental “first marriage grant” could be awarded each couple in which the age of both partners was 25 or more. “Responsibility prizes” could be given to each couple for each five years of childless marriage, or to each man who accepted irreversible sterilization (vasectomy) before having more than two children. Or special lotteries might be held – tickets going only to the childless. Adoption could be subsidized and made a simple procedure. Considering the savings in school buildings, pollution control, unemployment compensation, and the like, these grants would be a money-making proposition. But even if they weren’t, the price would be a small one to pay for saving our nation.” – 132
“In short, the plush life would be difficult to attain for those with large families – which is as it should be, since they are getting their pleasure from their children, who are being supported in part by more responsible members of society.” – 131
Abortion

Ehrlich makes his views on the use of abortion to help control the population crystal clear.

“[Japan’s] dramatic halving of the birth rate was achieved originally through the sanctioning of abortion. Abortion is highly effective weapon in the armory of population control. It is condemned by many family planning groups, which are notorious for pussyfooting about methodology, despite beginning 60 years ago as revolutionary social pioneers.” – 84
“One of the more encouraging signs of progress has been the change in abortion laws [in the US].” – 89
“Biologists must promote understanding of the facts of reproductive biology which relate to matters of abortion and contraception. They must do more than simply reiterate the facts of population dynamics. They must point out the biological absurdity of equating a zygote (the cell created by joining of sperm and egg) or fetus (unborn child) with a human being. As Professor Garrett Hardin of the University of California pointed out, that is like confusing a set of blueprints with a building. People are people because of the interaction of genetic information (stored in a chemical language) with an environment. Clearly, the most “humanizing” element of that environment is the cultural element to which the child is not exposed until after birth. When conception is prevented or a fetus destroyed, the potential for another human being is lost, but that is all. That potential is lost regardless of the reason that conception does not occur – there is no biological difference if the egg is not fertilized because of timing or because of mechanical or other interference.
Biologists must point out that contraception is for many reasons more desirable than abortion. But they must also point out that in many cases abortion is more desirable than childbirth. Above all, biologists must take the side of the hungry billions of living human beings today and tomorrow, not the side of potential human beings. Remember, unless, their numbers are limited, if those potential human beings are born, they will at best lead miserable lives and die young. We can not permit the destruction of humanity to be abetted by a doctrine conceived in total ignorance of the biological facts of life. [emphasis in original] ”

http://bodo.gnn.tv/blogs/31178/How_to_Control_the_AMERICAN_Population_by_Paul_Ehrlich_The_Population_Bomb_Part_1

Mr Blifil August 25, 2009 at 10:33 pm

[re=394975]on2u[/re]: Obama invented Czar? Biden and the late William E. Simon will be fucking pissed he poached on their territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_czar

Yeah, yeah, I know…libertarians don’t trust Wiki. Oh and you are a fucking douche.

gradgrind August 25, 2009 at 10:42 pm

[re=394980]on2u[/re]: Sorry, but you’re obviously looking for the Developmental English assignment drop box. This isn’t it.

Quasi August 25, 2009 at 10:43 pm

Oh my fooking oath!

John ‘Mad Dog’ McCain as the voice of reason?

Be it ever so briefly.

the problem child August 25, 2009 at 10:49 pm

[re=394936]on2u[/re]: Kill the unborn, by all means, if they are yours.

SayItWithWookies August 25, 2009 at 10:50 pm

[re=394980]on2u[/re]: Wow — umpteen paragraphs of cutting and pasting and you never came close to answering the question.

Guess what — I don’t give a rat’s ass what Paul Ehrlich has to say about population control. Anybody who thinks population control in the United States is a problem is not paying attention.

Now back to the original question. Here is an interesting comparison of healthcare bang for the buck among the United States, Britain, France and Singapore. Of the four, guess which one a) spends the most on healthcare per capita; b) has the lowest life expectancy; and c) has the highest infant mortality rate.

Now enjoy your stupid-ass status quo while you wave your little “No 2 Death Pannils!” placard around.

the problem child August 25, 2009 at 10:59 pm

[re=394975]on2u[/re]: Thank you for posting so many eminently reasonable aarguments for population control. I am, of course, still awaiting my “7+ years of marriage without spawn” bonus. Perhaps you could put in a word for me?

(oh, and banhammer? I hear it is a highly effective method of post-birth control)

mynameisdetroit August 25, 2009 at 11:01 pm

One senses McCain’s eagerness to die and never, ever have to make eye contact with the slobs that insist on aligning themselves with his party, ever again.

kapish August 25, 2009 at 11:02 pm

Our present pay-or-die healthcare system is just, oh just so… “American” (you know?).
It kind of give me patriotic goose bumps to think of all those poors dying to keep us all from “socialistic medicalism” (or whatever).

on2u August 25, 2009 at 11:10 pm

I’m not surprised you missed the point. Holden will be deciding ethical matters in the new health care system and those are the values he has. But the big picture is hard for people with small minds to grasp. I did not say Health Care is good the way it is. I said expand medicaid. If you think everyone will be receiving the same high level of health care – just minus private insurance companies interference you are in for a surprise.

DustBowlBlues August 25, 2009 at 11:14 pm

It won’t download tonight because the webtubes, I assume, are clogged with teabaggers debating whether hand grenades would be a flashier way to show off their second amendment rights at Democratic health reform rallies.

Walnuts dug his own grave, so to speak. He pandered to the extremists in his party and tried to foist Bible Spice on us, but never really jumped on board the crazy wagon completely. Once every couple of months, sanity and decency catches up to him and he pays for it. The way his people make Democrats pay every fucking day for not being crazy.

SayItWithWookies August 25, 2009 at 11:24 pm

[re=395000]on2u[/re]: You don’t know the difference between the deficit and the national debt; and you didn’t even get the national debt figure right; you don’t seem to know how or why it’s relevant; you think government healthcare will lead to forced population control; and yet you still advocate for expanding Medicaid as though that wouldn’t have the same imaginary problems you bring up previously. Then you post a thousand words of irrelevant paranoid ranting and insinuate that anybody who disagrees with you is an idiot. Why don’t you give me your owners’ email address and I’ll ask them to leave a Kong around the house for you to play with while they’re out, okay?

Scooter August 25, 2009 at 11:26 pm

Looking at that crowd of aged republitards, I’m starting to rethink Social Security and Medicaire.

Scooter August 25, 2009 at 11:48 pm

[re=394980]on2u[/re]: Paul Erlich’s main claim to fame is his ability to make spectacularly flawed projections. If half the things he predicted in 1970 had happened we’d all be dead 100 times over.

imissopus August 25, 2009 at 11:58 pm

[re=395000]on2u[/re]: Ahem…Holdren wrote that article you refer to in 1969. I’m betting his theoretical models have changed since then.

And a scientist who is concerned that the human population is growing at a rate unsustainable with regard to our finite natural resources? Maybe up there in that underpopulated wasteland of ball-retracting cold it seems that way, but down here in the crowded southwest of the United States, believe me it’s a viable scenario.

Stick to fapping to Ron Paul’s website, twatwaffle. You are of no use to us here.

on2u August 26, 2009 at 12:44 am

True imissopus – he republished the book in 1995, he still maintains these views though (Ehrlich). There are radicals on every side. I researched world hunger during my university years. There is more than enough food to feed everyone. The problem is distribution. Killing people or limiting population is not the answer.

sludjbunni August 26, 2009 at 12:45 am

[re=395006]SayItWithWookies[/re]: They learn this thermonuclear pasting shit at Liberty U. (or Bob Jones, Regents, wherever).

They drop a zoo’s worth of shit on the conversation, claim that it proves one plus one equal death panels, and back out of the room when threatened with the woodchipper of logic.

Our newest little friend is just another clipboard troll.

on2u August 26, 2009 at 12:49 am

the problem child says at 10:59 pm, August 25th, 2009 – Replyon2u: Thank you for posting so many eminently reasonable arguments for population control. I am, of course, still awaiting my “7+ years of marriage without spawn” bonus. Perhaps you could put in a word for me?

Good one – funny.

I did not mean to insult anyone – given the small minds comment was not nice – put certainly pale in comparison to many others on this blog.

Hagar77 August 26, 2009 at 2:08 am

[re=394677]Min[/re]: The last time that bag o’ Medicare–or any of these other fucking idiots–read the Constitution was never. If she ever had, she’d know that the 57th Amendment clearly provides that “[t]he President shall, in time of peace or war, get by with all of this money, without the knowledge or comprehension thereof of The People.”

Bathroom Goblin August 26, 2009 at 3:18 am

Suddenly these fucktards care about the deficit, the constitution, and end of life care.
Were they, like David Frum, biting the pillow every night while being fucked raw by their GWB blow up doll?

More death panels, less gibberty-jabber.

nader paul kucinich gravel August 26, 2009 at 3:22 am

Single payer.
Non-profit, universal health care coverage for all Americans.
On the table NOW.

Washington whorehouse!!!

~ Anderson Baldwin Carter Choate Clemente Gonzalez Gravel Kaptur Kucinich McKinney Nader Paul Perot Sheehan Ventura.

Smoke Filled Roommate August 26, 2009 at 3:33 am

That’s pretty maverick for AZ.
In Sun City Lakes East and West, the developments are constructed in big circles, perhaps to confront Alzheimer’s head on.

Rajul August 26, 2009 at 7:37 am

I have a great idea: a constitutional Amendment that says if you go to a town hall and say it is unconstitutional to provide Americans with health care, you have to cite the provision in the Constitution that supports your statement or you’re immediately killed and your body havested for organs. Best part is you can’t say that’s unconstitutional! Two birds with one stone!

HuddledMass August 26, 2009 at 8:59 am

[re=394798]eclecticbrotha[/re]: Uh-uh! Pig Death will mainly affect the youngs. Apparently the olds are carrying antibodies from some previous visitation. Too bad. And I say that as an old.

friendlyskies August 26, 2009 at 9:22 am

[re=394980]on2u[/re]: tl;dr

groove August 26, 2009 at 10:46 am

Well of course Obama “respects” the Constitution. I mean, how many of us here haven’t pretended to respect someone just long enough to sleep with them?

PancakeBreakfast August 26, 2009 at 10:58 am

Where was this John McCain last year? Oh yeah, he was recovering from being driven and backed up over a few times by Campaign McCain. I don’t think he’ll ever fully recover, though.

MissM August 26, 2009 at 12:10 pm

[re=394980]on2u[/re]: Bored now.

NixonNow August 26, 2009 at 1:53 pm

a diaper change i can believe in.

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