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HERE’S AN IDEA: Michael Vick, the mush-mouth bag of human garbage who tortured pet dogs for fun, with his millions of dollars made by smashing himself into other giant idiots wearing body armor, is on the teevee right now, and god knows what he’s saying because he’s borderline retarded. Anyway, an idea: How about put a bullet in his fucking skull, right on teevee, for America? (Oh right, never mind, he “apologized,” so he gets to make millions again so dumb slobs can watch “sports” on the flat-screen.) [NYT]
John Edwards is the father of Michael Vick?
>>How about put a bullet in his fucking skull, right on teevee, for America?
He’s gonna play in Philadelphia, so I give this about 3 to 1 odds of happening during the season.
But…but…but…he can throw a ball! Surely this absolves him of any possible sins.
I hear he has a LOT of support from the powerful Cat Lobby.
God bless America!
I know, lets smear him with steak juice, give him a 10 yard head start and then let go the pack of pit bulls. See if he can make a touch down with the hounds of hell running him down.
Expect a visit from the NFL Secret Service.
Why don’t you tell us how you really feel about him, Ken. Also.
mayor: Christianity tells us that all we have to do is say “I’m sorry” and we’re cool with the most powerful being in the universe. Doesn’t even have to be to those we’ve wronged. I should convert.
This isn’t an indictment of Mr. Vick; it’s an indictment of our prison system. How can men truly be rehabilitated when they’re running from so many horny men?
awwww he was “deeply hurt”… by his own actions.
Word UP on the tags, Ken!
Fucking country…put a junkie in jail for ten years, and let a shit like this out so quickly. This is the End Times final sign. Take to the streets and burn the buildings, string up all the football slobs that contribute to this asshole’s financial wealth, and while we’re at it, let’s get Grassley, Hannity, Palin, and the rest. Just raze the country and salt the soil, and start anew. I got to stop visiting this website…
I do like how most Americans do go full PETA-rd when house pets are involved. My semi-glibertarian younger brother, whose sympathy for humans is less than unlimited, has actually given his dog his last name for Facebook purposes and also advocated some ironic death for Mr. Vick.
Should be an interesting season in Philly, those fans are like Republicans at Democratic townhalls…
obfuscator: Maybe someone taped a shiv to their cock.
sorry, can’t resist.
We need to legalize dueling. . There are people I would enjoy killing. The whole going to jail thing, however, is so unpleasant.
He is very clean and articulate.
Easy there Ken. Similar to Charlene from accounting, you’re going to regret this in the morning.
Why is there a picture of Chris Rock attached to this story?
For his NFL punishment, he should be made to play for the Lions.
SendLawyersGunsAndMoney: Live lawyers or dead lawyers?
Naked Bunny with a Whip: I thought that was just Catholics and you had to buy the forgiveness. We Presbyterians wallow in our guilt well past death.
How ’bout those Iggles?
4tehlulz: Ah, so you are aware of the “Bud Dwyer” Philly tradition of televised brain-shots?
I need no further reason to hate the Iggles, beyond fat fucktard mormon andy reid, and the legions of fucktarded Iggles fans and their fucktardery, but this actually makes it even more enjoyable to hate the Iggles, this is ice cream on the cake.
Buttery1000: No can do, the Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment.
Relax, he’s in Philadelphia, so no one will see him anyway.
I got in an argument with some mushy brained liberal (non-African American) woman who claimed, back when Vick was arrested, that “the man” was just “trying to keep the black man down” and how dogfighting is a “cultural tradition” so shouldn’t be prosecuted. I told her that excision of the clitoris with a rusty razor blade is a cultural tradition to some people too, how would she feel about that? Oddly enough, she didn’t see my point.
Philadelphia: The City of Brotherly Low-Self-Esteem.
As a Pennsyltuckian myself, I know Eagles fans who would eat a dog if it meant their team winning a championship. This, I’m guessing, is no big deal.
My dog, though, has been hiding under the bed since the news broke.
norbizness: Bravo, decidedly un-politically correct, but really, I don’t give a fuck about dogs, cats, bunnies, cows, pigs, or stupid humans. Cockfights, dogfights, here in my neck of the woods, a bunch of brazillians were recently arrested for fighting little tiny canaries and things, which sounds so cute, canary deathmatch!
I love UFC fighting most of all, though.
Stay classy, Michael.
I want the dog biscuit concession outside rival stadiums.
Holy shit Ken. That is fucking insane. In a righteous fury and anger kind of way. Human garbage who fight and kill dogs are allowed to play in the NFL. And human garbage in the US Congress continues fighting to allow 15,000+ people a year to die because they don’t have enough money (to purchase health care.) Fucked upside down country. More like this please. “Because he’s borderline retarded.” Ha!
Kenny’s just venting from not making the football team in HS.
I suggest Cane di Corsos be sent to his bedroom when he is sleeping.
FMA: Correction; many Iggles fans would fuck a dog in Wanamakers window, and then eat it, just to see the iggles win a pre-season game. Merrill “hysterical homer mushmouth” Reese and Mike Quick will provide play-by-play for the dogfucking, while speculating that if only Flyers and 76ers fans would also Fuck Dogs, it would “usher in an era of all-sport domination by the Philadelphia teams.”
FMA: In Soviet Russia, dogs eat you when team wins.
This dufus should have waited for Wii Dog Fighting to come out
suchsweetthunder: Ken killed Charlene from accounting? Now who’s going to process my TPS reports.
“How about put a bullet in his fucking skull, right on teevee, for America?”
Wherefore art thou, snark?
Michael Vick is surely a hillbilly asshole lacking sufficient quantities of moral wherewithal to fill Rielle Hunter’s vagina, but really? A bullet in his skull? I think America’s unfettered fascination with/allegiance to multi-millionaires in athletically-themed superhero costumes as ill-advised as anyone, but is Michael Vick really more worthy of violence-advocating derision than the more intelligent and self-aware corporate and governmental overlords whose sole concern on the planet is the lining of their own pockets?
Generally speaking, I heart your moral outrage, but I don’t have a slow clap to offer for advocacy of killing a guy, even if he is right there with child rapists on the dirtbag scale.
I listen to a lot of sports-talk radio while at work and an aspect of this Vick thing that seems to go consistently unmentioned is the fact that most people in our culture, PETA members or not, tend to view Vick’s crimes as crimes that, like pedophilia or waterboarding, indicate some sort of core moral damage. That is, remorseless animal torture is a taint that no apology can wipe away. You aren’t going to convince anyone that at the core that isn’t who you are; a killer, a sociopath. So I’m surprised that he took an NFL contract. I have to believe that UFC was probably offering more money and softer opponents.
Prommie: You’re confusing their dogs with their grandmas.
Let’s not endorse direct violence — let’s leave that to the healthcare hysteria-mongers and birthers.
On the other hand, would I be happy if Michael Vick sustained a painful career-ending injury during training camp or got shot leaving some sleezy nightclub? You bet I would.
I hope the Phanatic shoves a cheesesteak up his ass. (There has to be some dog in there, right?)
As a native of the Philly area (though one not terribly interested in sports and from an Eagle-hating family), FMA’s right: if he ends up helping them win, no one will give a shit, which is sad.
“Generally speaking, I heart your moral outrage, but I don’t have a slow clap to offer for advocacy of killing a guy, even if he is right there with child rapists on the dirtbag scale”.
Yeah, this. I’ve lurked for a long time. I registered to say that I also find it sort of unpleasant to reduce the entirety of a hobby, or pastime or what have you to its lowest common denominators and most hated figures. I am sure, quite sure, that the same could be applied to the lowest common denominators of, for instance, a liberal “DC Gossip” blog.
Paterlanger: From what I’ve read, animal cruelty is a reliable indicator that the person IS a sociopath who just hasn’t gotten around to women and children yet.
Not just borderline retarded. He’s also a proud alumnus of Virginia Tech. Go Hokies!
The bust was all a scam. Bitch set him up.
Slow Fish: I think it also is a reliable indicator of what awful things people think they can get away with if they have some small modicum of fame or money. Of course, he could just as well be a budding sociopath serial killer, but there is also evidence that suggests that maybe he’s just bad genetically like.. down in his core, and stuff. And not in the serial killer sort of way, but in the “I thought we fought wars against people like you?” sort of way. Marcus Vick isn’t exactly squeaky clean either.
Go Jets?
Failed 2 Menace: wardigital: Oh, amen. I’ve got a heart that bleeds for sports fans, sensitive Wonketteers, and Michael Vick (??) too. (But don’t ask where I got it, okay?)
Anybody who relishes the slaughter of canines is a degenerate, no matter how Whoopi in an act of ethnic solidarity tries to excuse it (shrugging it off as just your everyday sporting with animals), but, then, so are those who shred harmless animals for fun with high powered weaponry. Interesting how all the unheard voices are ignored, what they call the Unsung Nightingales. When fifty thousand buy a book, it’s a best seller, even though that means three hundred million passed. Also, most folk don’t watch football, but it’s considered hugely popular. Under one million watch some scum on squawk teevee, andhis program’s a hit.
Racist comments about the Eagles and Donovan is why ESPN gave up on Limbo the Lout. Maybe we’ll learn something from the pill freak about why it was Vick only selected white dogs for slaughter.
Sure, Caribou Barbie stuffs her office with enough hunting trophies to embarrass Teddy Roosevelt, but she’s your princess. A football player fights some dogs, goes to prison, and he deserves the Nguyen Ngoc Loan? Teabaggers must have the same brain injury as you.
Ken,, KEN!! You are stretching the license good man. You banned me once for chiding your sports knowledge, and I certainly deserved that and more. Ease up with the violent word pictures and use more of that beautiful rapier wit and impaling sarcasm. Besides, using words and phrases Vick would comprehend is pointless, and I’m sure you get that. But, if I am to fall on my sword again, well, you are the one and I acknowledge that. Give me a heads-up, because you are merciful, I’ll want to gather my friends and family for a goodbye photo. Your humble servant 31542. Now there’s a mystery.
Bowdoin: As an omnivorous top predator who eats other animals for luinch, and dinner, and breakfast, I am fascinated by the way we accord special sentimental status to dogs, while killing cute, adorable, gentle cows on assembly lines, by the millions every year, and hungrily chowing down on their juicy flesh.
In between productions of Shakespeare’s plays, the Globe put on dog versus bear fights, to the amusement of all, and after leaving the festivities there you could take a detour to walk by the gibbets where the rotting corpses of executed criminals were hung.
Pretty hateful post there, kid. You have a future at StormFront.
Ouch, Mr. Layne, like a Deather at a health care forum. Pigs make great pets, some cultures worship cows. I’m making myself a bacon cheeseburger right now — you want one?
Prommie: That’s why I say hey Ken nice shot.
First, the obligitory condemnation of dog fighting and the way dog fighters treat their dogs.
Just for everyone to think about what they themselves do, any of you out there do coke or weed? Do you think the people who run the operations who produce, transport, store and sell these drugs are not responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people (and their dogs most likely too)? Don’t you carry some of the responsibilities for those deaths?
Fighting animals for your pleasure is evil. But he was convicted of this crime in a court of law, did his time and is now going to be allowed to make a living.
Here’s my secular prayer for a paralyzing injury to mr Vick.
Jumping Jim:
Please tell me about Dante Stallworth…in terms of have and have-nots.
Wait a minute. They let black guys play professional football now? I want my country back!!
“[P]ut a bullet in his fucking skull . . . “?
Did someone call me?
Ken, Ken, Ken: That’s a really stupid idea. Better to handcuff Vic naked; tie a N.Y. strip steak to his testicles; and throw him into cage with some of his starving pit bulls.
Or leave off the steak, and throw Vic into the Ramrod Bar off Folsom in S.F.
Same difference, really. And you’d save the price of the steak.
[Actually, this whole thread reveals the inherent racism of Liberal Wonkette: Fighting dogs are an African-American Southern Tradition. Like cock fighting is for 'Beaners. The only difference is that, with fighting dogs, you can't eat the loser . . . unless there is a Fillipino in the audience.]
Jumping Jim: No. No I am not responsible for the crimes of drug dealers. The very notion is complete, utter horseshit. Prohibition and the threat of criminal prosecution and draconian penalties is what turned people who could have been legitimate merchants into desperados.
Uncle Bubba: Leonard Little is a better case. But I guarantee you that a days worth of research could turn up thousands of other instances where punishment did not fit the crime, or people who literally got away with evil / murder.
Percentagewise, people with money generally get away with things on a greater scale than those without. This goes back to prehistory when the guy with the first job got away with paying for sex with a woman who was not his wife(holder of the second oldest job).
My point is, everyone wrongs someone or something. We either get away with it or get punished for it. Whether people think his punishment was appropriate so be it. It is just that the level of vitriol… Vick was punished. 2 years in jail is no easy deal. Losing all your money and prestige is no easy deal. Having your name attached to something as heinous as torturing dogs is something that will never go away. The people who want something more than that should examine their own lives.
Jumping Jim: Cool advice, bro.
Prommie: Legitimate merchants??? You must be high, or really, really unaware of what goes on in the world.
Well as they say, ignorance is bliss.
If you buy drugs from people, you hold some responsibility for their actions.
If you buy gas from exxon, you hold responsibility for their actions. If you do not like what Exxon is doing, buy gas from Citgo, or use the train, or walk or bike. If you don’t like Vick root against the Eagles or don’t watch football.
You are responsible for everything you do and all the downstream effects, whether you like to think about it or not.
Christ, even the Lions wouldn’t take this meatbag.
Jumping Jim: See, here’s my thing here - everyone advocating for Mr. Vick always phrases it as “he’s got a right to earn a living.” I say, sure enough. There’s a diner right down the street that needs a dishwashers - Mr. Vick, please step up and grab a sponge!
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But he’s not just “earning a living”, and nobody in professional sports is. These people are held up as heroes and role models to our children, almost exclusively. Nobody is putting the faces of electrical engineers, hairdressers or tax assessors on cereal boxes, collectors cards, TV ads. Find me a department store anywhere in America that isn’t chock-a-block full of NFL regalia and Tee-shirts specifically picturing starting quarterbacks, and I’ll buy Mr. Vick an X-box and a copy of Madden 09.
It usta be that sports figures understood the special place they hold in society, tenuously, and to some degree, while in public at least, subscribed to a higher code of conduct. There are plenty of sports figures who set excellent examples of basic human decency and virtuous behavior - there was a bit on NPR this morning about Jesse Owens seeking out the son of his Nazi competitor from the 1936 Olympics, after his (the German high-jumper’s) father was killed in the war. Just as one example.
Likewise there are plenty of up-and-coming young quarterbacks, I would expect, that would do anything in their power to enjoy the opportunities and privileges that Mr. Vick has squandered. Why not sign up one (or two or three) of them?
It almost has nothing to do with dogs even. It has to do with the nature of sports in America. NFL has it wrong. Their job and purpose is to entertain us. That’s it. I am not entertained by their choice in this matter, and I swear to God my son and I will never in this life sit down together to watch any game that Mr. Vick is a part of. End of story.
I can’t believe people are even discussing this -
Let’s see. Rape and beat someone, anyone and you’ll get probation at best, 6 months of weekends at worst. Fight some dogs and off with your head. Ain’t that America.
It disgusts me that people get so fucking upset over bunch of damn dogs and then roll their eyes at crooks walking for violent crimes against actual humans.
If you want to rail against injustice, maybe you should try crimes against sentient beings.
Well, at least the long-awaited Neilist/Ken Layne rapprochement can finally begin.
Prommie: This is so untrue- It isn’t Wanamaker’s any longer.
Prommie: Can’t wait to see the episode of Cow Whisperer where the guy teaches some Charolais to fetch and shake hands.
snideinplainsight: He has a right to try to earn a living, and you don’t get to decide where. If he doesn’t want to wash dishes as you so graciously advocate, and the NFL is willing to give him a gig because it sees more upside than down, that’s what he gets to do. I don’t have that choice, and you don’t either.
If you then choose not to watch games in which he participates, or boycott the league entirely, that is your part of the process. And if you and enough other people do in fact boycott, the league made the wrong decision.
Why not sign a young up-and-comer instead of Vick? Because the Eagles think Vick is a better player, and a better option.
Like you, I’m not going to support anything Vick-related, and believe this will disenfranchise plenty of people from the sport, which is dandy by me.
But playing professional sports is not the “privilege” it is so often invoked to be. It is a field of athletic endeavor. If the people who will be paying and playing you think you’re good enough in a particular game, you’re going to get work. And if they don’t, you’re going to be cast off and forgotten, because it’s a ruthless business. But a business all the same.
All the hero worship/role model stuff into which this stuff gets balled up is ultimately the hangup of people whose imaginations are too lazy to develop heroes based upon anything more complex than sporting a cool illustration of Flipper on the side of a glossy helmet.
Jumping Jim: Oh, puhleeze- you are full of crap. maybe you are a miserable bastard like Vick but speak for yourself.
snideinplainsight: Show me a department store with a Micheal Vick jersey and I’ll buy you John Madden to sit in your house and do a play by play on your dinner selection.
Do ever think anyone will forget what Vick has done? Isn’t that a better teaching moment (thanks Barack) than ignoring him. Better to say to your son… that’s Micheal Vick, he went to jail because of his cruelity. He lost two years of his life, two years with his kids. He’s now trying to get his life back together.
He was punished. Move on.
Maybe when an Eagles game comes on, we can all change the channel and watch Glenn Beck. Or “Real Housewives of Wasilla.”
finallyhappy: I did speak for myself. Seems like you are the echo.
Finally happy??? Took you long enough eh?
Roger3815: You’re right, the people who think Vick is a vile shitstain are the same ones who think committing rape is no big deal, and certainly no reason to crucify some poor young man who was only giving in to his natural male urges.
Personally, I’m baffled by these crazy people who voted for Obama last November but won’t stop photoshopping Hitler mustaches on him all the time. Ain’t that America!
Jumping Jim: Could not agree with you more.
The, “you know what he should get now that he’s done with his punishment? MORE PUNISHMENT!” routine is ridiculous. He did the time he was told to do, and now he gets to do something else.
Who is monitoring the status of his co-conspirators in the dog ring? What should they be allowed to do for a living now? No one cares, of course, because they’re not celebrities, and we should only be interested in what the famous are and are not allowed to do.
Slow Fish: That’s what I’m thinkin’. And then as if on cue Roger3815 jumps in with his post to demonstrate precisely the sort of tone-deafness I’m talking about. Roger, it’s not that anyone here values dog lives over human lives (or non-sentient over sentient beings. good luck drawing that line precisely Herr Heidegger). It’s that when you read the Vick indictment in detail and think about what he plead guilty to doing you have to think “sociopath”.
Roger3815: Thank you, Roger. So true what you said, and I couldn’t have said it better. I mean, seriously, hadn’t those dogs ever heard of phones and 911???
RoscoePColtraine: If Rudy Giuliani trained fighting dogs, you can bet they would know what number to dial in an emergency.
Roger3815: I don’t know. My dog’s pretty retarded and he’s a metric fuck ton more sentient than any of the people showing up at health care town hall meetings.
Who the fuck gets their kicks by watching two animals tear each other apart? How sick in the fucking head do you have to be to find that entertaining? Looking at you Roger.
Failed 2 Menace: I’m not suggesting that Michael Vick should be punished MORE. I understand he’s paid his debt to society, by definition.
I’m suggesting that what he did should disqualify him from THAT JOB. Lots of jobs have qualifications outside of simple performance. I couldn’t hold the job I’ve got if, for instance, I tested positive for drugs (and you wouldn’t want to ride in buses, planes, or subway trains without this requirement on their drivers, I suspect.) Maintaining a minimum level of decent conduct should be a requirement for a job that by definition makes these men public figures. Just as we expect them to stand up and look respectful for the national anthem, just as we ask them to occasionally take part in a public service announcement or a charity event. Just as we ask them to wear a uniform. Forgive me for sounding a little square here. Also.
If only the Phillies had signed him, he could get beaten up in the parking lot by three of their more cerebral fans.
Ken: Will your marry me?
SendLawyersGunsAndMoney: “I got to stop visiting this website…”
If I had a nickel for everytime I told myself that . . .
jumping jim, failed 2 menace….
i agree, being a pro athlete is hard work, and losers are forgotten all too quickly. however, bein’ sports stars on the teevee gives these guys an inflated sense of entitlement, and an attitude that they are untouchable. giving this guy another chance at being a high-profile player is just the sort of thing to reinforce this kind of behaviour.
that said….sorry to be so cliched and lame, but the pen is mightier, ken. uncle bubba is right. take a deep breath and count to ten next time, then unleash the fury.
I don’t think he should qualify for gainful employment on the grounds that he is a sociopath. I hereby call for a National Registry of Child and Animal Abusers, or NAMBLA.
snideinplainsight: I get where you’re coming from, and certainly have no problem with your not wanting the NFL to let him back in.
The reality, however, is that the NFL gets to make that decision, and it has decided his actions do not warrant a lifetime ban from that sport. Ultimately, Roger Goodell gets to determine what the threshold of requisite decency is for players in the league, and he is of the belief that Michael Vick, once he serves his brief suspension, passes that test.
Like you, I think Vick did something reprehensible, but deciding whether he is employable by the NFL is not in my domain. All I can decide is whether or not I watch.
snideinplainsight: or, what you said.
christ, it’s been a long fucking week.
PETA oughta put a bounty on his ass … get some fine actress to spend the night with the first guy to Jack Vick Up.
If everyone in America wasn’t such a celebrity-worshiping IDIOT we would’ve banned Vick from his profession, same as any other criminal who has done jail time and lost millions of dollars.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna go cram some chickens back in their sweatboxes and shoot a cow’s brains out with an air gun.
as.the.world.burns: The “inflated sense of entitlement” and “attitude that they are untouchable” are secondary things that typically come with the job, not the job itself. And, to be quite honest, those things are provided the athletes by some of society’s less discerning participants.
O.J. Simpson has people ask him to take his picture with them wherever he goes, for heaven’s sake. It’s a problem of culture, not a reason to deny someone an opportunity in a merit-based system where the lone legitimate barometer is athletic accomplishment. It’s not fair to deny anyone a job just because idiots are going to worship him for doing it.
And not to nitpick, but I seriously doubt Michael Vick is going to be sporting any attitude that he is untouchable any time soon.
J.D.: “we would’ve banned Vick from his profession, same as any other criminal who has done jail time and lost millions of dollars.”
When did our society start doing this?
Some examples, please. And please spare me the lawyer/doctor/investment banker “malpractice costs a guy his license” examples. Show me something even remotely similar to what we’re talking about here. Someone in an unlicensed profession who has lost the ability to participate in that profession because s/he has done something completely outside that realm that resulted in a conviction.
@ Ken: the whiteness of your liberalism is showing. Or, is it that the liberalism of your whiteness is showing? Either way, advocating putting a bullet in Vick’s skull is going too far. But you know the worst part? It wasn’t even funny!
Failed 2 Menace: And not to nitpick, but I seriously doubt Michael Vick is going to be sporting any attitude that he is untouchable any time soon.
i’ll remember that. vick’s a total fuckstick…i’ll be generous, and give him a week.
randomsausage:, trickyrick: Wins!
Better American Than You: Dog biscuits enclosing D-cell batteries, right?
Jumping Jim: I support the right to grow one’s own Marijuana, thank you. Fie on the Coke, however…
Prommie: Regarding this Andy Reid chap - I think I’d hit it, maybe, if he dropped 50kg…
As a person that actually pays for Sunday Ticket to watch Eagles games, I decided this year to nix it because it’s just too damn expensive. I guess everything happens for a reason– even though this MF was signed 3rd string behind Kolb, I am truly disgusted by the Eagles’ decision and don’t want to spend a penny to support it. I can’t believe this POS is on my team. Fucking idiots.
leave me at your own risk: I’m not sure if it was meant to be funny, but a bullet in his skull would be too easy for him. We could start by picking him up and slamming him onto his back on concrete, or electrocuting him - just a couple of ideas Vick and his friends came up with for their dogs. Bullet to the fucking skull just seems boring by comparison.
Bearbloke: Dog biscuits enclosing D-cell batteries? Quick — to the patent office!
RoscoePColtraine: Or you could just, y’know, avoid descending to his level entirely.
Smoke Filled Roommate: You, sir, are democaracy in action. One man, one vote.
And if there are enough of you, a corporate giant receives a valuable lesson.
Failed 2 Menace: Uh, I’m a chick.
Smoke Filled Roommate: And I’m sorry for presuming.
Failed 2 Menace: Oh you’re right. Imagining a just and fair payback for a vile shitbag gazillionaire sociopath animal torturer like Michael Vick is the fucking equivalent of actually committing torture on defenseless animals. And I hate movies where the bad guy gets impaled by a rusty spike at the end, too.
RoscoePColtraine: I didn’t equivocate your imagination with his action. But neither do I see the point of fantasizing about how best to torture a torturer, asshole though he may be.
I might have missed it, but have the Eagles signed Squeaky Fromme yet?
wardigital: [i]I also find it sort of unpleasant to reduce the entirety of a hobby, or pastime or what have you to its lowest common denominators and most hated figures. I am sure, quite sure, that the same could be applied to the lowest common denominators of, for instance, a liberal “DC Gossip” blog.[/i]
Are you calling dog-fighting a “hobby”? Are you saying that there are proponents of dog-fighting who do [b]not[/b] deserve to be reduced to the status of “lowest-common denominators and most hated figures”? Are you saying that some forms of dog-fighting are ok, that some forms of animal torture/killing are ok, and that those “hated figures etc.” are equal to Wonkette commenters?
blinky_twinkie: He might have been thinking of football. Just guessing here -
blinky_twinkie: No, I’m calling being a sports fan a hobby, and to refer to anyone who enjoys it as a dumb slob because of Michael Vick is ridiculous and unfair.
Ok, yeah, I totally went the other way with that. Sorry. I misunderstood you.
norbizness: “long-awaited Neilist/Ken Layne rapprochement can finally begin.”
“Rapprochement”? That’s oneadem FRENCH words, isn’t it? :::Glaring suspiciously:::
Ken’s not a bad guy, despite his fetish for those “slow moving Mojave tortoises” and the abandoned chicken coop/meth lab palaces that make up “The Inland Empire nowadays.”
But he’s probably never put a .300 Remington through the engine block of an tricycle ATV that was fucking up the desert floor and squashing said tortoises for fun.
From about 380 yards, given or take. No wind though.
(Those Honda blocks are sort of smallish, ya know? And a spitzer tends to drop faster at the end of the trajectory if you don’t use a big enough load.)
:::Boom!:::
Have fun walking the three miles back to the highway, ASSHOLE!
Let me preface these comments with “I love all furry creatures!” I have 4 myself.
1. Vick did more time than most white collar criminals ever do. (Prison sucks, and he did his time for the crime)
2. When you grow up in a ghetto environment, white people armed up chasing defenseless little forest creatures and calling it sport. Not so differient from dog fighting. (Have you ever seen bears or mountain lions hunted with dogs? Wolves shot from helicoptors?)
Let the PETA trashing of me begin.
Rascalcat:
And then there is Sarah Palin and her sister, Rush Limbaugh.
No one sees any problem with “joking” about shooting a black man in the head? Really? We’re just all gonna go along with that? How is this any different from the wingnuts “joking” about violence and assassination against our President and other black people? I just….REALLY?!!! And…not that the people who are angry at Vick aren’t also angry about the meat industry, hunting, pesticides, but…why is the general consensus that Vick is MORE evil/sociopathic (ie. brutish/savage) than all the other people who participate in sanctioned violence against animals?
Just…WHAT?! Nevermind. These non-white vegan people say it better than me: http://vegansofcolor.wordpress.com/?s=vick
All he did was connect dogs to jumper cables and shock them or maybe hang them from trees and torture them. Poor fellow grew up in a ghetto environment — where he was a spoiled, elite athlete — so don’t expect any personal responsibility or human decency from him.
And this “It’s excusable because he’s African-American” is the worst bunch of racist crap I have ever seen in my life.
Better American Than You: Yes. The example you just gave is racist. But it’s not really what I think most people are trying to say. I think what most people are trying to point out is the racism that allows people to be MORE angry at black people who dogfight than white people who hunt. Oh and the fact that people keep “joking” about killing this man. And if you think: “That’s not racist! Well I also said [insert white person] should be shot!” NO. Just no. You can’t just ignore the history of the “brute” and “savage” imagery that led to the lynching, killing and torturing black people and act like NONE of that matters when you post a rant on your website about how a man should be SHOT IN THE HEAD.
Sweet Lord Jesus, the white privilege in this thread has gone beyond rational thought.
SayWhatNow: I wasn’t joking about shooting a black man in the head. I was fantasizing about electrocuting the asswipe pathetic excuse for a human being Michael Vick. I said a bullet in his skull would be too easy and boring. Now if he would just go take a job scraping road kill off the freeway I’d be half satisfied.
Good night Ken… you could have fixed this…..
if you eat meat you can shut the fuck up with your grandstanding moralizing about vick and your bullshit concern about animals.
SayWhatNow: I don’t give jack shit if a person who connects dogs to jumper cables and shocks them and hangs them from trees and tortures them is red or yellow, black or white. I would hope that any of them would burn in hell.
I think that “When you grow up in a ghetto environment…” excuse used above is pathetic and racist. What next: poor Pol Pot’s mother was mean to him? Adolph Hitler grew up in a bad neighborhood and he didn’t like his stepfather, so let’s give him slack?
I am glad that you, like Hitler, don’t eat meat. Perhaps you don’t use dairy products or wear leather, so you have no moral culpability for how they are treated. But even those of us who have, upon occasion, hunted and fished do not relish bringing pain to animals, as did Michael Vick did.
Better American Than You: Are we now arguing nincompoopery with our fellow Wonketteers? Eating meat for the purpose of self-sustenance somehow equals torture and killing of animals for sport? Someone please walk me through that one.
As a Philadelphian, I am salty that while I cheer for one of my teams, I will be indirectly supporting the career of a guy who once brutalized dogs. Helpless dogs that weren’t just fighting, but executed at the hands of Michael Vick, and you better believe that he deserved a much stiffer sentence. (And lemme tell you, that first game with Vick is going to be UGLY).
That being said, at some point it has to be forgiven. He did his time. I support allowing ex-cons being able to vote, getting decent jobs, owning homes and generally just living normal lives, if that’s what they want. I hope that’s how many people feel.
Since Vick is high profile, he is upheld to different standards? What am I missing?
Better American Than You: Way to respond to the actual argument. Again, I’m not arguing it’s okay to torture animals or that Vick isn’t effed up. And I’m NOT saying that since Vick is black he should get a pass. I’m saying that I think racism is one big huge reason for why people can say that Vick is MORE morally bankrupt than some people who hunt or fish (or pour salt on snails to watch what happens, or tear the wings off a fly, or drop a live lobster into a pot of boiling water, or…)
And I’m *also* saying that I think it’s wrong to invoke violent, racist imagery to show your disdain for Vick. Not because I have some deep sympathy for Vick, but because using violent, racist rhetoric against a specific black man CONTRIBUTES to the violent, racist actions people take against *all* black people.
SayWhatNow: When the fuck did “shot in the head” gain racist overtones? Are we talking about racism against the Viet cong?
The pansies in this thread need to learn to snark better. There was enough earnestness in here to power an entire army of weeping vaginas.
Maxine of Arc: “How about put a bullet in his fucking skull, right on teevee, for America?” I wasn’t aware one could say things like that and just pretend it exists in vacuum. Like that whole slavery, lynch mobs, random murder of black people thing never happened. But I guess I forgot it’s impossible to say something racist-y if you call it snark. Or irony, or satire… or whatever other codeword hipster white kids use to pretend they’re *nothing* like those crazy birther people who chuckle about lynching the president. But whatevs. I non-ironically agree that I’m not snarky enough for this thread. So I’m just gonna bow out now before I give myself an aneurysm.
I was hoping Cleveland would pick him up because their defense is nicknamed ‘The Dawg Pound’, and nobody knows how to pound dawgs like Vic.
Hopetarded: Oh, but your finger wagging is rich with snarky snap.
SayWhatNow: It’s not worthy of an aneurysm. Some of the comments in this thread are similar to the illness affecting so many Republicans: it’s okay if our side does it. It’s not okay if either side suggests putting a bullet through someone’s “fucking skull, right on teevee for America.” When the person being suggested for the televised bullet is a Black man, well, that’s especially not okay. The public killing and castration of Black men was a sport in certain quarters, particularly those that favored pointed hats crafted from bed linens.
Like Vick, I grew up in a culture that viewed dogfighting as a sport. I’m not saying his participation and promotion of dogfighting is a matter of race but it is a function of culture. If you don’t know the difference between culture and race, google it.
By the way, calling Vick a mush-mouth is a dog whistle (ha-ha) to those of us who grew up hearing how Black people could not enunciate to save our lives. We were just too mush-mouthed. That’s why those of us who could talk like regular Americans were applauded for being so articulate.
Ken,
I usually find yours funny spot on, but “much-mouth” and “borderline retarded” where a poor choice of words just to say the least. I’m not a fan of Vick, at all, but as the poster above me just said, “mush-mouth” ir a racial dog whistle. I’m not sure when and where you grew up, but I thought most people knew this.
LoweredPeninsula: Typo corrections:
but “mush-mouth” and “borderline retarded” were…
“mush-mouth” is a racial dog whistle
BTW, if I remeber correctly, Ken, you grew up in the South, right? You had to be thinking about your choice of words, no?
I’m glad other people pointed out the “mush-mouth” thing. I think my brain decided to ignore that slur in order to preserve my sanity. As much as I know that racism and liberalism are not mutually exclusive, it’s still a bit of a mind-fuck when hippy progressives all of a sudden reveal their inner Strom Thurmond =/