LET'S ALL MOVE TO SWEDEN  11:22 am August 7, 2009

Tampa Town Hall Packed To Rafters With Yelling Nutballs

by Sara K. Smith

Here, here is one of a bajillion videos out on the Web about Town Hall meetings full of belligerent shouting jackasses. People are just animals. (Especially in Florida.) [CNN]


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MARCdMan August 7, 2009 at 11:26 am

Nice to see that the common man is so in touch with the insurance-industry-drafted GOP talking points. No manipulation here at all, no sir, pure grassroots activism.

CrunchyKnee August 7, 2009 at 11:27 am

Flo’duh is mainstream amurikkka on meth.

4tehlulz August 7, 2009 at 11:28 am


KBuster August 7, 2009 at 11:28 am

Hundreds of people upset over crap gifts at nation’s white elephant parties

StripesAndPlaids August 7, 2009 at 11:29 am

Be curious to know how many Repubicans are holding face to face town halls. My Repubican Senator is only doing them over the telephone.

hobospacejunkie August 7, 2009 at 11:33 am

So how long has it been obvious that this will happen at pretty much any town hall? And they still haven’t figgered out how to keep these clowns out?

So will Obama step up his game to get a good bill passed or, as seems more likely, will he just pawn off health care failure on the nutburgers, neatly side-stepping the complete lack of discipline in the party he should be controlling? He’s going on vacation, so I choose Plan B. Bye-bye real change in health care.

kapish August 7, 2009 at 11:33 am

Time to put those FEMA camps to use!

StoneAge August 7, 2009 at 11:34 am

the soshalist govvermant cant protekt us from Gog and Magog!!!

tehbenton August 7, 2009 at 11:35 am

At this point, I want Congress to pass health care reform out of pure fucking spite.

AbstinenceOnly Ed August 7, 2009 at 11:35 am

Today, we are all Joe the Plumber, meaning self-righteous Republican plants paid to bray GOP messaging in public places. Our name is really Sam, and we are not certified plumbers, also.

memzilla August 7, 2009 at 11:37 am

I like the idea of having black cops deciding that white wingtards constitute a threat to public safety in these town hall disruptions. Especially in the South.

It p***es off the Glen Becks of the world while neatly reversing 300+ years of racism, which is, of course, the root cause of these town hall putsches in the first place.

[disclaimer: I myself am OG... Old Guy (OWG, if you want to get technical)].

lionboy August 7, 2009 at 11:37 am

Some people tell me I need to get out more. Clearly, they are wrong.

LittlePig August 7, 2009 at 11:38 am

The old Roman that said “democracy will only last until the people learn they can vote themselves bread and circuses” was shooting *way* too low. All it takes is juice to AM broadcast towers.

eclecticbrotha August 7, 2009 at 11:38 am

Really gotta hand it to TPM for their dick move of plastering the still image of the black policeman yelling at the little old white lady on their front page. YAYYYY FOR OUR SIDE!!!!


EdFlinstone August 7, 2009 at 11:39 am

I want to pay the highest healthcare costs in the world!!!!!! Now get off my lawn!!!!

bago August 7, 2009 at 11:40 am

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norbizness August 7, 2009 at 11:40 am

Bum: Got any spare change, man?

Grandpa Simpson: Yes! And you ain’t gettin’ it. Everybody wants something for nothing. [walks into the social security building] I’m old! Gimme gimme gimme!

Come here a minute August 7, 2009 at 11:42 am

Speaking of yelling nutballs, submit your questions now to the noon live chat for the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank, late of Idiot Theater.

finallyhappy August 7, 2009 at 11:44 am

Mel Martinez is resigning! Live boy or dead girl?

ExecutorElassus August 7, 2009 at 11:44 am

See, this is why the Democrats will consistently get their asses handed to them in every debate: they think that everybody can just sit around a roundtable, say their piece, listen to one another, and reach consensus through mutual respect. Republicans know that they can just yell louder and more frequently, and eventually they’ll win. They’re not playing out of the same rulebook.

I wonder how long it will be before the Republicans in Congress start using the same tactic. They could bring everything to a halt, and then win the next election running against the dysfunction they created.

Hooray For Anything August 7, 2009 at 11:44 am

[re=380765]EdFlinstone[/re]: “What do we want! No healthcare! When do we want it! We already have it!”

RoscoePColtraine August 7, 2009 at 11:44 am

Basically what their doing is what we do all the time here at Wonkette, only they do it in public to each other’s faces. It’s quite fun really.

LittlePig August 7, 2009 at 11:44 am

[re=380757]StoneAge[/re]: I was a bit taken aback by all the surprise about Gog and Magog. I remember Georgie saying that stuff on television back in 2003. Maybe it was only broadcast here in Jeebusland.

bearbait August 7, 2009 at 11:45 am

Wow. Just fuckin’ Wow. Pretty soon some nutjob will kill someone and the right-wing-noise-machine will say, “See! I told you Obamacare would kill you!”

I hope the rest of the middle of the road majority is getting as sick and frightened of these whacks as I am.

queeraselvis v 2.0 August 7, 2009 at 11:45 am

[re=380772]finallyhappy[/re]: Tranny hooker. On meth. This being Florida, after all.

SmutBoffin August 7, 2009 at 11:45 am

I am not an expert on the philosophical foundations of modern American dialectic. When was it, exactly, that it got so retarded?

blader August 7, 2009 at 11:46 am

screw the crazies…i’d just like the dems to hurry up and finish their forced euthanasia abortion bill so we can get the pogroms started

Monsieur Grumpe August 7, 2009 at 11:46 am

See that all you communist countries out there? That’s democracy in action. Get with it or eat carpet bombs pinkos.

blader August 7, 2009 at 11:46 am

[re=380758]tehbenton[/re]: exactly

AnnieGetYourFun August 7, 2009 at 11:49 am

[re=380772]finallyhappy[/re]: I have my money on under aged, for sure.

I was able to watch exactly 1:14 of that video before remembering how much I hate people, but how do we know that all the screaming people were Republican plants? And don’t say “logic”. I only ask because the shrieking woman featured prominently in the first minute of the video said something about cancer, as though she knew someone who had it (husband?). I could be crazy, but maybe she actually was attempting to get a word in edgewise about reform?

AnnieGetYourFun August 7, 2009 at 11:50 am

[re=380778]queeraselvis v 2.0[/re]: It COULD actually be for health reasons, I guess.

Kaylub August 7, 2009 at 11:51 am

If they were wearing pink and shouting about stopping war, wouldn’t they just be cold getting tasered and arrested left and right?

LittlePig August 7, 2009 at 11:53 am

[re=380779]SmutBoffin[/re]: About the time the 24 hour news cycle got cameras out next to the Wendy’s so that the Republican base can express their opinions without getting out of line at the buffet.

Studge August 7, 2009 at 11:54 am

[re=380761]memzilla[/re]: OG, my eye. Admit it, you’re MAG-OG!!11!

finallyhappy August 7, 2009 at 11:55 am

[re=380784]AnnieGetYourFun[/re]: No way. Look at Byrd and Thurmond- they were dead and Byrd is still in the Senate. I guess Thurmond started to rot so they had to move him out.

user-of-owls August 7, 2009 at 11:55 am

They all look like nails to me.

Pompous Magnus August 7, 2009 at 11:55 am

These things used to make me laugh.

Now they just make me sad. :(

ManchuCandidate August 7, 2009 at 11:55 am

Jerry Springer Approves!!!

ExecutorElassus August 7, 2009 at 11:57 am

Orly Taitz is the oracle of our times, also.

PS, check out the excellent music video rendition of her MSNBC appearance:


EdFlinstone August 7, 2009 at 11:57 am

Clearly when our founders began the townhall concept they envisioned one side screaming so there would be no questions and answers, just fucking yelling and screaming and birth certificates in plastic ziploc bags. Cue Lee Greenwood song…….

hobospacejunkie August 7, 2009 at 11:58 am

[re=380772]finallyhappy[/re]: Resigning so Charlie Crist can appoint himself & run as the incumbent?

EdFlinstone August 7, 2009 at 12:00 pm

[re=380791]ManchuCandidate[/re]: I like that, somebody should coin the term Jerry Springer townhalls.

Harvey Birdman August 7, 2009 at 12:02 pm

I’m going to go listen to some David Cross to cleanse.

fromhils August 7, 2009 at 12:03 pm

ExecutorElassus: that sounds familiar I think cause its exactly how they took congress in 94 and eventually got W. “elected”…

Advocatus_Diaboli August 7, 2009 at 12:06 pm

This reminds me of that time when John Adams was going on about the virtues of an independent judiciary while Bill Blount and the rest of the North Carolina delegation shouted and yelled the pledge of allegiance. Was it Pickney or Rutledge who had his birf certificate in a zip-lock?

Hominidx August 7, 2009 at 12:07 pm

Man, that was so disappointing – loony talking points, but simply loud arguing vs. exploding into a gooey mess!

spencer August 7, 2009 at 12:07 pm

It will be sad when all these teabaggers get ass cancer and get kicked off of their insurance.

Actually, it won’t.

Servo August 7, 2009 at 12:08 pm

What’s with the guy holding up his Declaration of Independence pocketbook?

american mutt August 7, 2009 at 12:10 pm

I think the Black Panthers should moderate these events…

Car Ramrod August 7, 2009 at 12:12 pm

[re=380799]Advocatus_Diaboli[/re]: Which proves that they were British citizens. Which makes them ineligible for the 2008 election. Orly needs to get on this tip, stat.

SmutBoffin August 7, 2009 at 12:12 pm

Jeez, I do not oppose minority opinion-holders resorting to disobedient/guerrilla tactics when their voices are systematically excluded from the debate, but you Republican twits do not qualify. Your mealy-mouthed representatives are on the TeeVee, all day long, shoving your fucktarded policies in our faces. WE GET IT YOU DON’T WANT TO SIGN UP FOR A GOV’T PROGRAM, WADDYA WANT FROM US?

FMA August 7, 2009 at 12:14 pm

As Homer Simpson said, Florida is America’s wang.

widget09 August 7, 2009 at 12:14 pm

Problems is that the don’t have brains, thats what the keep yelling. BRRRAAAAIIINNNSSS

honkyman August 7, 2009 at 12:14 pm

This reminds me of back in the sixties when the CIA handed out liberal doses of bad acid to the crazies so they could disrupt the well-reasoned deliberations of the SDS etc.

OTOH everything reminds me of the sixties these days. I think it’s my hippocampal prostheses leaking…

Cicada August 7, 2009 at 12:16 pm

[re=380783]AnnieGetYourFun[/re]: One of the wingnut talking points is that the US has better cancer survival rates than Great Britain. Beck and Hannity have both been pounding that one.
Surprisingly, neither of them has felt the need to point out that France and Japan have very similar cancer survival rates to the US (slightly lower), or that the poor and uninsured in the US have much worse cancer survival rates than everyone in Great Britain. Ha-ha, why would they do that?
Complex issues are hard, telling people they’ll die of cancer because of Obamacare is easy.

Servo August 7, 2009 at 12:18 pm

You can see it in their eyes. There’s simply nothing there. Nothing.

trondant August 7, 2009 at 12:19 pm

[re=380803]american mutt[/re]: I say Hell’s Angels – they did such a great job at a townhall somewhere in California a few years back.

Nerdalicious August 7, 2009 at 12:19 pm

I call these anti-health care paid by the insurance industry town criers angry mobs “The Night of the Sick Fat Ass” because they are mostly olds being paid 1.4 mill daily by the insurance companies to scream their lungs out about nothing. Fail. Also, most of them are on Medicare which is Socialism don’t ‘cha know and they are shuffling off this earth soon from being old and sick and they don’t care about who they leave behind to suffer. These screaming mostly Grey panthers are narcissistic lunatics.

Slobodan Milobsterchopz August 7, 2009 at 12:20 pm

On the bright side, this is Tampa, so most of these people will be dead soon, right?

EdFlinstone August 7, 2009 at 12:22 pm

You gotta fight……for your right…..to be douchebag teeeeeeeeeabaaaaaaaaagger!!!!!!!

user-of-owls August 7, 2009 at 12:24 pm

[re=380803]american mutt[/re]: With members of the Stevedores Union helping to man the doors and Hell’s Angels responsible for security.

user-of-owls August 7, 2009 at 12:26 pm

[re=380816]trondant[/re]: [re=380822]user-of-owls[/re]: Damn arthritic fingers.

OzoneTom August 7, 2009 at 12:27 pm

[re=380817]Nerdalicious[/re]: True, both Medicare and VA health are socialist. Medicare is single-payer and the VA provides government-run health care.

BTW, good WaPo column from Pearlstein: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/06/AR2009080603854.html

Norbert August 7, 2009 at 12:27 pm

Pursuing Excellence!

trondant August 7, 2009 at 12:29 pm

[re=380767]norbizness[/re]: [re=380818]Slobodan Milobsterchopz[/re]: I saw video shot from the other side of that door last night. I’m not making this up: at one point when they’re banging on the doors, someone uses the handle of their cane to add to the banging. For me, that says it all.

Hooray For Anything August 7, 2009 at 12:32 pm

[re=380785]Kaylub[/re]: Angry mobs of ignorant old white people shouting down speakers and starting near riots while spewing nonsense they heard on talk radio or sent in chain emails=legitimate show of anger and anxiety by concerned real ‘Murikans worried about the direction the country is going in.

Thousands march peacefully in the streets before and during the Iraq War= Yawn…bunch of naive dumb hippie freaks protesting something we here in Washington know is completely wrong. Let’s turn to Charles Krauthammer for his view of the situation…..

Nerdalicious August 7, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Great Article!
I really am starting to miss John Edwards. I don’t care who he blanks. Really. Edwards mantra during the Prez campaign was: I will not under any circumstances negotiate with insurance companies, pharma companies or hospitals. He considered them criminals. Now look at this mess. How does this administration expect to pass Health Care Reform after months of screaming Rovian insurance tactics? Did you all see Olbermans list of the paid off Congress, and how much each member is getting paid by the Health Insurance Industry, including a bunch of Dems? He is the only pissed off person on T.V except for Bill Mahr & Ed Schultz. Where is Ted Kennedy this is suppsosed to be his baby?

ExecutorElassus August 7, 2009 at 12:44 pm

[re=380797]fromhils[/re]: Nah, that stuff was for pussies: they just wouldn’t vote for anything. I’m talking about actually screaming and *losing their goddamn shit* every time a Democrat opens his/her mouth on the House/Senate floor.

As I recall, Republicans didn’t shut down the government until after they took power, and it blew up in their faces. This way would be much more fun:

Committee Chair (D-Wherever): we now open the floor to consider HR-256…¹
Nutball (R-Jesusland): Boooo! SOCIALISM!!1!

¹Note that – typical to Democrat style – the Committee chair will just keep droning on about the bill as if nothing is happening.

gurukalehuru August 7, 2009 at 12:47 pm

[re=380792]ExecutorElassus[/re]: Excellent link.

Also, Charlie, you could just parachute yourself in there. A Senate seat is a valuable fucking thing. You don’t just give it away.

Nerdalicious August 7, 2009 at 12:49 pm

“He’s going on vacation, so I choose Plan B. Bye-bye real change in health care.”
I can’t believe this insanity is going on because he just has to vacation in Martha’s Vineyard with the Kennedys, instead of keeping everyone in session in August until Health Reform is passed. This was supposed to be Ted Kennedy’s baby? Where is his voice?
Say what you will about John Edwards this would have been done in Feb. or the minute Franken became a real Senator. Edwards said he would take the Congress’s health care away from them if they didn’t pass reform. Where is John Edwards &/or Teddy Roosevelt when you need them?

Joshua Norton August 7, 2009 at 12:50 pm

Good thing I already have health care. I think I threw my back out from cringing at all that audible ignorance.

Dreamer August 7, 2009 at 12:51 pm

My friends and I were attemptng to change the lyrics of coldplay’s song “viva la vida” to document the fall of the GOP – because we were so drink nothing useful came out of it (they were drunk, I was stoned because as a good half muslin I cannot drink) but we still think it is a good idea.

Nerdalicious August 7, 2009 at 12:52 pm

I do not want to see a split screen of Prez on vacation in Marthas Vineyard with the angry screaming anti-health care mobs loonies. It will happen believe it. Very bad.

DoctorCulturae August 7, 2009 at 12:54 pm

[re=380857]Nerdalicious[/re]: Interesting. Another major Dem project shot down cause some guy couldn’t keep it in his pants?

Imagine if Edwards was clean(er), he might have gotten a post in the cabinet to do just that: be the bad cop at those guys, as he said he would. Of course it’s fantasy. The slime he could have hurled at the Med Cabal he threw at himself. Sheriff Taylor is upset.

Nerdalicious August 7, 2009 at 12:54 pm

Hot off the presses: Mrs. Sanford & sons are moving out from the Latin Lovee, Mark Sanford house. Marriage Over.

Tundra Grifter August 7, 2009 at 12:54 pm

[re=380802]Servo[/re]: He learned that holding up his lighter at the end of an Alabama concert.

Tundra Grifter August 7, 2009 at 12:58 pm

Too bad at the end when the gentleman rockin the Capt. Kangaroo beard left before The Red Dress Lady randomly called for everyone to say the Pledge.

Nerdalicious August 7, 2009 at 12:58 pm

I know sad as hell. It reminds me a lot of Gary Hart. “Hey, press follow me around with cameras, K?”. Ugh. Edwards would have been Attorney General or HHS.

user-of-owls August 7, 2009 at 1:00 pm

[re=380857]Nerdalicious[/re]: Where is Ted Kennedy this is suppsosed to be his baby?

Yeah, well you know being 77 years old AND having brain cancer tends to take a bit of the jib out of ones sail.

Tundra Grifter August 7, 2009 at 1:01 pm

[re=380869]Nerdalicious[/re]: The Kennedy’s Kompound is in Hyannisport – The Cape. MV has been a vacation spot for wealthy urbans for decades.

skyinator August 7, 2009 at 1:03 pm

As someone who lives down here in “God’s waiting room” THIS is all anybody talks about, especially the over 60 crowd. These codgers are pissed but don’t be too scured, they’re all in bed after the early bird special so you won’t be seeing them on the teevees at night holding torches and throwing their adult diapers or bedpans around. They only venture out in the daylight, so to solve the town hall disruption dilemma, my advice is to hold them after 10 p.m.

Rev. Peter Lemonjello August 7, 2009 at 1:07 pm

Living in Florida, Sarah, I can tell you this is the EXACT scene that plays out when they change from lunch to dinner prices at the Golden Corral. No surprises here.

Nerdalicious August 7, 2009 at 1:10 pm

Whatever. There are no angry voices in this White House & Congress over this Fail. The only angry voices on giving a damn about sick poor people were John Edwards, and a handful of TV news people. There will be a split screen as I said above with the screaming mobs & Prez lounging at the cape. Pelosi had the guts to say Congress should stay in session in August to finish this. The rest of them are cutting and running. I’m disgusted. I’m not the only one here who sees the writing on the wall, read the other posts.

Dreamer August 7, 2009 at 1:16 pm

Are there any Republicans holding town halls, McCain?

Nerdalicious August 7, 2009 at 1:19 pm

Marthas Vineyard has been a Kennedy haunt for decades along with the Cape. Jackie Kennedy had a house there. The Clintons vacationed with the Kennedys there. Please don’t try to tell me that Prez won’t be hanging out with the Kennedys on vacation. He will & it looks bad with this Health Reform fail going on while he’s gone.

Tundra Grifter August 7, 2009 at 1:34 pm

Tampa hasn’t seen a fracas like that since the Great Red-Lobster-All-The-Shrimp-You-Can-Eat-for-$5.99 Riot in Oh-Three…

Nerdalicious August 7, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Please read about the Kennedy’s and Martha’s Vineyard from the Martha Vineyard Times.

Fox n Fiends August 7, 2009 at 1:39 pm

Fascism in America is alive and well.

Madaloon August 7, 2009 at 1:41 pm

My favorite part is in the last 5 seconds. Some guy is walking out, tips his hat and yells, “MERICA!” That is what sets this video apart from all the others with raging mouth-breathers.

Min August 7, 2009 at 1:54 pm

I’m all for citizens getting up off of their overfed asses and participating in the political process, but this isn’t politics. This is theater. And really bad theater, at that.

Dashboard_Buddha August 7, 2009 at 1:59 pm

[re=380929]Fox n Fiends[/re]: It has always been thus.

ioksotot23 August 7, 2009 at 2:01 pm

well…you have to expect them to oppose forced sex reassignment, animal concubinage, retroactive abortion (up to age 12), and mandatory skin darkening/teeth whitening…we are all Leni Riefenstahl’s pool boy now…

orange August 7, 2009 at 2:08 pm

I like the guy at the end who walks out and says, “This is America.”


freakishlystrong August 7, 2009 at 2:15 pm

How is healthcare reform “Tyranny”? That actually made me cry. Seriously, this country is fucked.

Atheist Nun August 7, 2009 at 2:33 pm

[re=380773]ExecutorElassus[/re]: “this is why the Democrats will consistently get their asses handed to them in every debate”

Wait, wasn’t there one big debate that they won? What was it called? Oh, yeah: The 2008 Presidential Election. You know, it’s that thing, that when you win it, the other side becomes the minority and doesn’t get to call the shots anymore.

I was thinking last night, how it’s kinda “funny” that little old hippy ladies who make human chains at anti-war protests get arrested, but these vicious little talking-point spouting bullies get to disrupt shit with no consequences at all, all in the name of the mega-rich insurance companies who are in direct conflict with their own interests.

TGY August 7, 2009 at 2:52 pm

My fellow Americans…

No, wait! Let me try again.


Fuck it.

Hooray For Anything August 7, 2009 at 2:58 pm

[re=381005]Atheist Nun[/re]: That’s my hope and dream, that once Obama has post his opponents in such a crazed sense of idiotic desperate fury that they overplay their hand and make everyone rally to him because he seems like the only adult in politics. Then again, idiotic and angry usually beats smart and mature in this country

Atheist Nun August 7, 2009 at 3:23 pm

[re=381067]Hooray For Anything[/re]: All this willful lunacy and ignorance: It’s like they don’t want to be part of the democratic process or something! Why do they hate America?

Manos: Hands of Fate August 7, 2009 at 3:43 pm

Didn’t some dude get killed for trying to do that at a Bush rally.

Nerdalicious August 7, 2009 at 4:03 pm

Lipstick must match outfit. Lipstick must match outfit. Great vid! Dr. Crazy Women has that Palin high pitched whine nails across the chalkboard sound, coupled with the Count Dracula accent. She will magnitize millions with her birtherisms.

Junior August 7, 2009 at 4:09 pm

I don’t want healthcare anymore. I would just rather die so I don’t have to listen to all of these angry whiteys.

bamaboy August 7, 2009 at 4:40 pm

In my town, you sign up to speak and you can’t talk forever. These turds would be removed by the police and they’d get a nightstick over the head if they fought.

Tundra Grifter August 7, 2009 at 7:54 pm

[re=380926]Nerdalicious[/re]: Why?

GreatOldOnesParty August 7, 2009 at 9:00 pm

I can’t even tell what 90% of them are yelling about.
As for the other 10%, I don’t give a flying fakk.

schvitzatura August 7, 2009 at 11:32 pm

[re=381487]GreatOldOnesParty[/re]: errrr, errrrrr! It’s the birther rebel yell.

nader paul kucinich gravel August 8, 2009 at 1:17 am

Single payer
Premium free
Medicare for all
Big Pharma on diet
Zero insurance profit
No deductible & no co-pay
Off the table? Just like Impeachment was?!

Left and rights of passage, black and whites of youth.
Who can face the knowledge that the truth is not the truth?
Obsolete absolute.

Anthrax Intimidation.
JFK RFK MLK Malcolm.
Israel-first dual-nationals.
InfoWars on a PrisonPlanet?
A very RawStory on PressTV.
Whistle-Blower leaks multiply.
Beware the divide and conquer.
Both parties are corrupt to the core.
Honesty compassion conscience guts.
Speak no evil, hear no evil, see no evil?
Elite Ruling Class Greed or “public servants”?
Independents agree on more than we disagree.
AIPAC 9/11 Bankers Extortion Blackmail Bribery.
Wall Street Bailout Bill: Bush McCain Obama et al.
Poodles, Puppets, Sham debates, & Scam elections.
Has the Government & Propaganda Media lied to you?
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Chronic lying as career path, intellectual prostitution for paycheck.
DNC & RNC have both sold out the country in order to enrich themselves.
Future of a Nation that can not trust the Government & Propaganda Media?

Realignment of American Politics:
Anderson Baldwin Carter Choate Clemente Gonzalez Gravel Kaptur Kucinich McKinney Nader Paul Perot Sheehan Ventura

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