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If there is one thing to count on when a lunatic shoots someone due to lunacy, it is to expect scores of liberal blog posts, longwinded self-righteous television segments from MSNBC anchors, and of course press releases from liberal advocacy groups about how this murder is HATE-TERRORISM and also the direct fault of a funny Fox News television entertainer or commenters on a right wing forum. They are instant. And, of course, with the news that a white supremacist shot a security guard at the Holocaust Museum today, many liberal bloggers have noted that their first reaction to the shooting of a human was, “OOH, THOSE REPUBLICANS GOT PWNED FOR WHAT THEY SAID IN APRIL, SUCKAS.”

Here’s Matt Yglesias, who doesn’t have “a great deal” to say about this shooting, except to make a very specific political point, and to tie it in with last week’s very specific political point.

Following up on the assassination of George Tiller, we appear to have a new outbreak of right-wing domestic terrorism as white supremacist James Von Brunn goes on a shooting spree at the U.S. Holocaust Museum.

Not a great deal more to say about this right now, but I hope that everyone who mau-maued the Department of Homeland Security for expressing concern about this kind of thing feels appropriately ashamed of themselves.

Steve Benen echoes Yglesias, about how foolish the Republicans look now that there have been two lunatic shooters in the past two weeks in America:

The DHS report specifically addressed the possibility of violence from anti-abortion radicals and anti-Semitic extremists. And in the last two weeks, Tiller was assassinated and a white supremacist opened fire at the Holocaust Memorial Museum.

The Republican hysteria over the DHS report — which was, by the way, initiated by a Bush administration official — was always based more on a partisan scheme than reality, but the incessant complaints look especially misguided today.

And here’s Respectable Blogger Josh Marshall, who, like many others, has been poring through this lunatic’s writings to find his opinions on various Barack Obama conspiracies. Josh Marshall is brilliant! This is the worst thing we’ve read on the Internet this week:

One thing we’ve learned about James von Brunn is that he was apparentely a ‘birther’, one of these folks who claims that Barack Obama is not the legitimate president of the United States because he is not a natural born US citizen (this is all the ‘where’s the birth certificate’ nonsense).

Who could’ve guessed!

Maybe we should just thank James von Brunn today for shooting a human at the Holocaust Museum, because look at all the political points he’s allowing liberal bloggers to score immediately today! Why it’s the best thing to happen since Columbine, when we finally got to stick it to that Marilyn Manson for making all the kids shoot each other, with his rock songs.

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  • norbizness

    I look forward to somebody else’s compendium of ill-advised compilations of inappropriate liberal reactions to a crime that happened like 12 minutes ago.

  • SayItWithWookies

    This is just ridiculous. There’s no such thing as a funny Fox News entertainer.

  • Mark Sanford

    Jim, could you explain that whole birth certificate things a little more clearly?

  • jagorev

    Well, to be fair, when was the last time you saw a gay Muslim socialist abortion doctor go on a shooting spree?

  • Mad Farmer Manifest

    When the internet is outlawed, only outlaws will publicly piss themselves on a blog.

  • ManchuCandidate

    A birther? No fucking way. They’re the sanest, least racist, open minded, smartest people I’ve ever known.

  • shortsshortsshorts

    CINDY SHEEHAN. CINDY SHEEHAN. CINDY SHEEHAN. CINDY SHEEHAN. CINDY SHEEHAN. CINDY SHEEHAN. CINDY SHEEHAN. CINDY SHEEHAN. CINDY SHEEHAN.

  • elburrito

    now I don’t know what to feel smug about

  • bitchincamaro

    Real liberals would have noted the skin color and/or religion of the security guard, Jim.

    er, wait…

  • paintitblack

    Ah, I love the smell of librul outrage in the early evening… well, at least these folks can write in complete sentences with reasonably accurate grammer & spelling, and there’s some kind of logic a-flowing there. However, not so much amusement value in snarking them. Twats-away.

  • sati demise

    Oh, Janet Neopolitano! learn a great lesson in bipartisanship.

    Hopey, take note, do not apologize to these fuc*ers after you release any report based on reality.
    They are whiney babies who just need to be burped.

  • freerangemink

    Death to bullies!

  • Yaybuls

    I just think the “REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAW” sign confused Von Brunn.

    “I ain’t never sawed nuthing; I ain’t no goddamn lumbar-jack. I’m gawna make thems pay fer makin’ me think!”

  • Come here a minute

    [re=336119]paintitblack[/re]: I think you mean grammer and “speeling”. Moran.

  • Dave J.

    I dunno–there are clearly psychos on both sides of the political aisle, but it seems to me that many of the psychos on the right side of the aisle are more likely to also possess numerous weapons and a shit-ton of ammo. They are also, it appears, driven insane, in their heads, by the presence of a black man in the White House.

  • AnnieGetYourFun

    Liberals aren’t nearly as much fun to mock, because they are so earnest. And literate.

  • Humble Respectable Flexible

    Wow, um, making fun of reasonable reactions to a gruesome anti-semitic murder that happened 4 blocks away from me is so funny that it makes me wish wonkette had decided maybe this was inappropriate and kinda fucked up to post.

    Seriously, wtf?

  • Mark Sanford

    [re=336116]shortsshortsshorts[/re]: You have moved and convinced me. Let us go to Crawford and spend the summer months in a ditch outside Bush’s ranch. I’ll bring the media, you bring the port-o-lets.

  • taylormattd

    Is Annamarie Cox “writing” (read: sista soulja-ing the left) here again?

  • Anarchitect

    If Fox News weren’t such hypocrites, the liberals wouldn’t be so smug when a loyal Fox viewer goes on a shooting rampage. It a catch 22.

  • 19kevin8

    Enough about the elderly gunman already. What we really need to know is: who is the REAL Barack Obama?

  • Jerk Cade

    If only that secuity guard had had a weapon this tragedy might have been averted.

    See you all at the target range!

  • magic titty

    [re=336125]AnnieGetYourFun[/re]: Most are actually fake-earnest and pseudo-literate, so no, they’re just as easy to mock.
    [re=336116]shortsshortsshorts[/re]: You rule.

  • 51dimes

    Liberal bloggers scored points, but did they WIN THE AFTERNOON?

  • Fear of a Black Reagan

    Oh snap! That’ll settle John Cornyn’s hash. WIN for the progs!!!

  • Jim Newell

    [re=336127]Humble Respectable Flexible[/re]: Well if I had known that it was only four blocks from YOU, I would’ve maybe reconsidered.

  • jagorev

    What’s with all the people expecting Wonkette to be some kind of sincere leftie blog? I say ban them.

  • Moonbatting Average

    Yeah, maybe in bad taste, but what do we suppose would be the overlap in a Venn diagram of “people who would do this kind of crazy shit”, “Freepers”, and “BillO/Hannity/Beck viewers”? I expect that the first category would be more or less completely included in the second which would be completely included in the third.

  • Nanks

    You’re bending over backwards to make your point, Newell. What these folks are saying is mostly correct — and important. And more enlightening than the usual expressions of sympathy. Very often outrage is a way to express sympathy for the victim, especially if you didn’t know him or her personally.

  • schvitzatura

    [re=336124]Dave J.[/re]: …this web 2.0 social media blogging application thingee kills fascists. And twatwaffles. Indiscriminately.

    We haz shit-load of teh lulz. Top that.

  • Lionel Hutz Esq.

    Jim: You have to admit, after the Right spent all of April stating that Conservatives never go bat shit crazy and shoot things, which is why they were all stocking up with bullets before Obama banned them, it is a little understandable that lefties might wallow in the sad irony.

    But don’t worry, it is all going to be all right. Sean Hannity is pointing out that the Rev. Wright is also an anti-Semite, so Obama must be, and so he is responsible for the shooting of a black man at the Holocaust Museum.

    It is the circle of what passes for political thought in this country now days.

  • Lord Growing

    Holy crap. People hate Jews? When did this happen?
    Yeah, I blame Fox.

  • liquiddaddy

    That ediface looks to be a Monterrey whorehouse or an Iraqi torture prison. They both have similar services, too.

  • gjdodger

    This guy isn’t a crazy Fox News viewer. The Fox News people learned their stuff from him. Anyhow, it’s fitting he did his foul deed in a museum. because after they fry him for offing that “screw,” they should have him stuffed and mounted.

  • dijetlo

    People die all the time, conservatives going postal with a high powered weapon is more of a weekly event these days.Still, since you’re shaming us, perhaps we should shed a tear for the poor bastard who caught a round for minimum wage this afternoon but one would think when they hired him and handed him a gun, he probably realized getting shot and killed was a possible outcome.
    Misery and passion, rage and pain, just another summers day on the big blue marble.

  • shortsshortsshorts

    [re=336137]jagorev[/re]: BAN THEM. BAN THEM ALL. AND THEN EAT THEM WHOLE.

  • BlueMonkey

    [re=336138]Moonbatting Average[/re]: I think you’re spot on with that analysis. But is the old crazy guy one of the terrrrrrsts that barry HUSSEIN OSAMA imported?

  • boatapple

    [re=336127]Humble Respectable Flexible[/re]: Oh please. When’s the last time you met a Jewish security guard, in America?

  • El Pinche

    [re=336127]Humble Respectable Flexible[/re]: well, i say it’s not as funny as an ass abortion.

  • Oldskool

    This is why tourists should be allowed to carry their own weapons into museums: museums are the same kind of death-trap as schools. Heck, I’m mounting an AK to the hood of my Honda next trip to a national park. C’mon bears, make my day.

  • thefrontpage

    It’s all the fault of the Illuminati.

    And the mysterious hobo men behind the grassy knoll.

    And a faction of the CIA that worked with the Mafia, shadowy members of the Military Industrial Complex (MIC), anti-Cuban people in Miami and New Orleans, and crazed members of the Lyndon B. Johnson Fan Club.

  • hobgoblin of little minds

    [re=336127]Humble Respectable Flexible[/re]: New here? Come back and comment when you have some semblance of an idea what this site about. Moran.

    [re=336137]jagorev[/re]: Seconded.

  • Tra

    Yeah, I got nothing. This is just sad and I’m sorry for the family of the guy who died.

    I’ve had it with these right-wing whackos.

  • lawrenceofthedesert

    Here is the real crux of the news story, and the NYT totally blows it off in a bottom graf: “Like all public buildings in the capital, the museum has heavy security, with visitors required to pass through metal detectors. But someone determined to enter a building with a firearm can sometimes do so.” Oh, really, like, maybe nobody much pays attention when the metal detector goes off? That isn’t a huge story? The editors aren’t going to send reporters with unloaded guns to other DC museums to see if they can walk right in? And that would be because they’re way too lazy to actually assign a story that doesn’t stem directly from a press release or orchestrated press event? I can’t imagine why people are losing interest in MSM…

  • El Pinche

    [re=336153]Oldskool[/re]: Because of this incident , Texas legislators are putting a bill together as we speak .

  • magic titty

    [re=336127]Humble Respectable Flexible[/re]: Hahahaha. Awesome post. But are you ok?
    But honestly, maybe associate editor Jim is speaking to the … uh … cheap political i-told-you-so’s bloggers are using (as he stated, above) and not really *mocking* the shooting, per se.
    Gah.

    There’s no room for sanctimony at Wonkette. This is a war blog.

  • FormerDCite

    No Snark here. Unfortunately one of the security guards died. At least the shooter didn’t die and become a martyr for the cause. Maybe they can get more information from him on the other “targets” on his list. Hopefully they can figure out if there are any other crazies, he associates with, with similar insane plans.

  • ph7

    Well, Fox has figured out its spin. Their website has changed from describing the shooter as a “white supremacist” to a “racist” – you know, racist like Sontamayera and Rev. Wright.

  • rocktonsammy

    Fox is right, I should be afraid.

    I’m sorry Sh-yawn, I believe you now.

  • bago

    Sweet Jesus. If you want to be thoroughly sickened, check the Free Republic thread. Muslin terrah 4 eva. Seriously, I almost had to vomit while reading that.

  • Hooray For Anything

    [re=336143]Lionel Hutz Esq.[/re]: Everytime something like this happens, the wingnuts have to find something that is an “equivalent” and then use that to try and change the subject and to rail on and on about the liberal media not covering that story equally. Thank God Wright came along to give them their opening.

    That being said, Jeremiah Wright can go fuck the hell off.

  • magic titty

    [re=336137]jagorev[/re]: Please don’t ban them. Let us chide and teach them.

  • Boojum

    He did it ’cause they banned him.

  • Dave J.

    I’m kind of torn on this one. I think that the “Terrorism” word is thrown around way too often, by people on both sides. It isn’t “terrorism” when some Kuwaiti guy shots two of our troops, and it isn’t “terrorism” when some elderly racist goes and shoots a guard at the Holocaust Museum. It’s just stupid people doing something violent because they think it seems like a good idea.

    I still think Jim’s point is mostly wrong, however. People on the right (I mean, did you see that shit Jon Voight said at the big important conference the other day, calling Obama a “false prophet,” etc.?) have really been stirring up a lot of shit, and now it appears that some of their more crazy members are starting to do stuff. In reaction to all the shit that people like Hannity, Newt, etc. are saying? It’s not crazy to speculate that a daily diet of Glen Beck and Free Republic would drive someone insane with violence.

    Mostly I hate this thread because it has made me be kind of serious, which I am happy to do on DailyKos, less happy to do here.

  • gregorovius

    Humble Respectful Flexible, I agree with you 100%.

  • Min

    Why is it that the wrong people keep getting shot?

  • SayItWithWookies

    [re=336143]Lionel Hutz Esq.[/re]: Actually it’s Obama’s fault for discriminating against holocaust deniers. Wonder how long it’ll take for Assity or Limbaugh to come up with that one.

  • ella

    It’s just a horrible thing.

    Today’s “No shit, Sherlock” award to MSNBC for this headline:
    Museum shooting suspect is anti-Semite, white supremacist

  • drewonline

    As the much better web site Gawker notes (and no I don’t work for Denton), there have actually been three right-wingers shooting up people. You forgot: Jim D. Adkisson Charged In Tennessee Church Shooting That Killed 2 because he hated gays and lesbians – it was a Unitarian church (Late July). Anyway, just kidding about Gawker being better. If it wasn’t for Wonkette and Gawker I would have nothing to do all day. While I don’t think the acts of three people represent the entire “right-wing,” I do think the volume and nature of complaints from the right-wing concerning the DHS report on right-wing extremists was wrong. The DHS was doing its job and there are extremists on both sides and those that tried to supress and admonish the DHS for writing a report on right-wing extremists should be ashamed and embarrased.

  • oldhat

    Dear Jim,

    This is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve read on Wonkette ever.

    Love,

  • american mutt

    The is the most snarky, moderate-perspective, wonkette article I’ve ever seen.

    I agree and disagree. We are in a momentary tempest of right-wing backlash but that doesn’t mean anyone should make political points off of it.

  • mookworthjwilson

    [re=336166]bago[/re]: Those are some truly disturbed psychos…

  • fishcanoeski

    If by “local murder” you mean they guy only had to cross 4 State lines to get to the scene of his crime then, yeah, its a local murder. I understand that in addition to hating Jews the shooter also had Truck Nutz on his F-150. So there is that.

  • Humpback

    The shooter was like 90 years old. Doesn’t that make him not a neo-Nazi, but, like, a real Nazi?

  • Jim Newell

    GOD YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE BANNED.

    Of course the DHS report is important.

    Sometimes people slip through the metal detectors however and there is violence.

    Republicans are bad.

    Fox News is bad.

    People do bad things.

  • sati demise

    [re=336143]Lionel Hutz Esq.[/re]:
    MCAIN MCVEIGH-
    Hummmmm ARE THEY BROTHERS

  • Greg Comlish

    Richard Poplawski, Joshua Cartwright, Scott Roeder, and now James W. Von Brunn.

    Four anti-government, right-wing, survivalists that went off the deep end and started killing people. By now the murderous trend should be self-evident and disturbing to anybody who is paying any attention. This faction wants us dead and that includes you Mr. Newell.

  • Dreadful Gate

    Outrage gives me gas

  • bhosp

    Now look what you did.

    You made Dad angry.

  • problemwithcaring

    I don’t know what makes me fauxraged – that someone on the internet would dare besmirch the name of all the honest, mainstream “birthers” – like the ones at Fox News (http://mediamatters.org/research/200905280018) – or that the damn internet is so damn fast.

  • shortsshortsshorts

    WHAT ISN’T FUNNY ABOUT FUCKING BLOWING PEOPLE AWAY.

    Jesus Christ people this isn’t about Jim Newells obvious OBSESSION with random shoot-ups, this is about the fucking idiot libtards who use it for a political advantage. GET BENT FUCKERS. It’s funny.

  • Bebe Loves You

    Fox News is saying that many people are saying that this was an isolated incident and the action of one individual, not a group.

    Just an individual who happened to belong to the Free Republic and who happened to have tried to kill and kidnap officials in the past. And while it is indeed a crime to fire a weapon into an innocent human being, he did have the right to carry that fire arm.

  • chapka

    Ur…do you think Yglesias knows that “mau-mau” doesn’t mean what he thinks it means?

    Or that it’s a not terribly obscure synonym for the N-word?

  • johnnypantalones

    Jesus Christ, I can’t believe some of you are chiding Jim for this. It’s totally pathetic that all these libtard bloggers first thought was not “This sucks and we hope they step up security at the museum” or whatever but instead was “SEE REPUBLICANS? THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!! RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!!1111!”

    The only person responsible for this shooting is the 88 year old racist fuckface who pulled the trigger. Fox News is not any more responsible for it than Manson was for Columbine or, fuck, I dunno, Buddy Holly was responsible for Charlie Starkweather. It’s really despicable that all these blogwhores first thought was “how can we make a political point for our side out of this senseless tragedy?”

    Seriously, fuck the lot of yas. This isn’t a political issue, it’s a “crazy racist asshole kills innocent bystander” issue. Fox News didn’t invent anti-Semitism, you idjits.

  • S.Luggo

    [re=336166]bago[/re]: Free Republic pulled the thread. But here’s von Brunn’s blog: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2141655/posts

  • S.Luggo

    Right, Jim. We’re all guilty.

  • Dave J.

    [re=336204]shortsshortsshorts[/re]: IT’S NOT FUNNY, MY BROTHER DIED IN A COMMENTS THREAD ONCE.

  • Hooray For Anything

    [re=336193]Humpback[/re]: I don’t think so– he didn’t come from Argentina.

  • Jim Newell

    [re=336212]Dave J.[/re]: I was four blocks away when that happened.

  • Bebe Loves You

    Right shortshorts, because the right wing really has nothing to do with hate mongering and supporting outlandish gun laws.

  • rereridiculous

    [re=336176]Min[/re]: It’s all the gun control. Without it, the right people would be shot too.

  • Neilist

    [From Washington Post]

    Updated: Details on White Supremacist Suspect

    A photo of Brunn from his website.Police are confirming that the name of suspect is James Von Brunn, a white supremacist, born 1920.

    [Not to be confused with Werner Von Braun, who only used Jews as slave labor for his rockets. And is a “genuine American hero.”]

    On a rambling, racist and bitterly anti-semitic website a man who identifies himself as James W. von Brunn claims to be a former World War II PT boat captain who was decorated for his conduct in battle, and was an advertising executive and film producer in New York City.

    [A “former World War II PT boat captain”? Oh dear, Jack Kennedy is back from the grave. And he’s out to kill all the Jews who survived his Daddy’s efforts supporting Hitler.]

    He claims to be a member of Mensa, “the high-IQ society,” and in 1981 was convicted in D.C. Superior Court for an offense that is not made clear. He was “convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge. A Jew/Negro/White Court of Appeals denied his appeal. He served 6.5 years in federal prison.”

    [“A member of Mensa.” Well, THAT makes it all clear.]

    He says he is now an artist and author living on Maryland’s Eastern Shore.
    He refers on his website to “Marxist/Liberal/Jews bankers,” and provides this information in a poisonous biographical entry.

    [How, precisely, does one administer a dose of “poisonous biographical entry”? With a needle or an eyedropper?]

    “Over my years of adversity, it became clear to me that a JEW strategy had emerged: “Kill the Best Gentiles!” The tactics were WAR & DEBT…I was chased from one job to another for not genuflecting before God’s Chosen. When a Jew CEO deliberately farts in a business meeting, to express his contempt, I seem to react unfavorably.”

    [That last clause, alone, makes the whole rant worthwhile. “I seem to react unfavorably.” Proust couldn’t top it.]

  • Mr Blifil

    That museum proves nothing anyway, other than the fact that Jews can afford fancy architects and state of the art multimedia consulting firms.

  • shortsshortsshorts

    [re=336217]Bebe Loves You[/re]: Wait until you see Glenn Beck’s reaction. ShortsandPants got SERVED a tip that Beck believes it happened, because of racism. Because Obama is a racist. That’s right. Obama is making the right wing kill the Jews again.

  • chapka

    Silly Wonkette. Don’t you know that when conservatives say that liberal ideology leads directly to Andrew Cunnan, it’s a crude propaganda distortion, but when progressives say that conservative ideology leads directly to this white supremacist moron it’s biting social commentary?

    Also, people killing loggers by spiking trees have nothing to do with the mainstream environmental movement. But this guy was practically a Bush cabinet appointee.

    It’s not Republicans who are stupid. It’s *people* who are stupid. Being Republican or Democrat just determines what form their stupidity will take.

  • Thatcher

    [re=336208]johnnypantalones[/re]: Actually I don’t think the message is “see Republicans it is all your fault.” I think it is “see Republicans getting pantywadded about a DHS report that suggested maybe some rightwing nutbaggers may shoot some innocent folks in the near future was not the correct reaction given the number of rightwing nutbaggers who have done just that over the last few weeks.”

    Just trying to clarify for you.

  • Dave J.

    Mixed emotions: I eagerly await the “here’s who Jim banned because of this thread” thread, and I really hope I am not on the list.

  • Scarab

    What kind of penalty can you give to an 88-year old murderer?

  • johnnypantalones

    Jesus Christ’s sweet succulent tits, y’all are being willfully dense now, aren’t you?

    Look, Jim’s point was very simple: Crazy people frequently shoot people they decide are their enemies. Sometimes they are right wingers. Sometimes they are left wingers.

    By a lot of youse guys logic, we should ban all political thought and speech because sometimes people pick up guns instead of trolling each other on the interwebs like God intended.

    But no, instead, let’s all write down all the people killed by right wing extremists in the past few months and decide that it is proof that right wing ideology should be banhammered from the Earth. Then the other side can start adding up all the people killed by left wingers and once we prove once and for all that their side is worse by a couple hundrewd I’ll call Kucinich and see if he’ll start writing the appropriate bill. After that we can start working to ban religion, sex, fatty foods, football, Robert Urich and anything else in the history of humanity that has provided some unbalanced ape with a rationalization to off somebody. GO TEAM LIBTARD!

  • Internally valid

    [re=336208]johnnypantalones[/re]: Actually, you could kinda say that it’s Obama’s fault because he absolutely destroyed any sort of political power that these nutcases once felt they had. Fox and Free Republic have been doing their shit for a while, pandering to this segment of society; it wasn’t until Obama kicked their asses so handily that they decided to throw violent tantrums (with guns). So, there you go, GO GET OBAMA LIBERALS. Or, better yet, get over the politics for a second.

  • Mad Farmer Manifest

    [re=336162]FormerDCite[/re]: Waterboarding, perhaps?

  • dogscantlookup

    It just shows that every citizen must be forced to own/carry a XM25 rifle at all times. It’s the New “Smart” Gun That Shoots Bullets That Can Travel Through Walls And Explode Inside A Building. that will show dem dar crazies, safety and freedom for all. It’s in our constitution!

  • S.Luggo
  • johnnypantalones

    Also: An 88 year old man that hates Jews couldn’t have possible been harboring such hatred and ignorance for DECADES before Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly were ever born! It’s unthinkable! Clearly they are to blame, as there was no anti-semitism or violence ever until talk radio was invented. Your honor, this flag should be put in jail! Yeah!

  • Mr Blifil

    [re=336147]dijetlo[/re]: Your post is BEYOND THE PALE. The June Solstice is still some days away.

  • snideinplainsight

    Oh sure everybody comes out of the woodwork when security guards get shot with guns but nobody is willing to support me when ducks (DUCKS!) are starving and cupcakes are at hand. Damn you all to Hell!

  • Naked Bunny with a Whip

    @Humble Respectable Flexible: It’s only fair. Our beloved editors treat armed rampages by both the left and the right equally.

  • Oldskool

    I don’t see how it’s such a stretch that the vitriol from right-wing blowhards plays a part in these things. Whenever politics comes up everybody knows somebody who reliably repeats the hate-crap talking points spewed on Fox or AM radio.

  • american mutt

    What did Chris Rock say? It’s the Mexicans, then the Muslims, then the blacks and Jews? Should I get nervous?

  • Kev-O-Tron

    I heard on the C’s and N’s network that the perp was a neo-Nazi. If you’re name is Von Brunn and you’re 89 aren’t you still considered an original Nazi? For all we know the guy worked a guard tower at Buchenwald.

  • chapka

    [re=336233]S.Luggo[/re]: Ron Paul is “part of the Republican Party” in the sense that Lyndon LaRouche is “part of the Democratic party”, or in the sense that Donald Trump is “part of the human race.” Technicalities don’t count.

  • johnnypantalones

    “[re=336226]Thatcher[/re]: Yeah, that’s why mere hours after it happened liberal blog luminaries have rushed to the front to paste up entries decrying the Republicans for something that has little, if anything to do with that DHS report, that, if you’ll recall, was about GROUPS of right wing domestic terrorists, not lone nutball 88 year olds who might shoot up the Holocaust Museum, and the Republican counter attack by and large was not “Outrageous! Right wing people are peace loving and non-violent! It’s you liberals who are the murderers!” but was actually “How dare you say that THE TROOPS might come home and join right wing groups and kill people! You hate the troops! THE TROOOOOOOPS *fapfapfapfap*”

    But don’t let that get in the way of you defending a bunch of ghouls trying to make a cheap political point off of a senseless tragedy.

  • S.Luggo

    [re=336240]Kev-O-Tron[/re]: He worked as a bouncer at Stanford’s Hoover Institute.

  • Nedrick

    I agree with nearly all of this post. As a result, my liberal friends don’t like me anymore.

  • Moonbatting Average

    [re=336228]Scarab[/re]: Waterboarded with Manischewitz?

  • facehead

    A few are bummed on the Wonkette, so let me say something which is both unfunny AND correct.

    Wonkette is making fun of the news coverage (as it usually does), not the victim.

    That isn’t too subtle, right? Or are we all just dicks?

    [re=336212]Dave J.[/re]: wub

  • Lionel Hutz Esq.

    [re=336195]Jim Newell[/re]: It’s not like I don’t get your point, Jim. I am dreading Countdown tonight, afraid that Keith will go all O’Reilly on us and use this one instance to prove that all Republicans are evil (when, in fact, we know that they are all gay, and only half are all evil).

    The problem is when you argue with an idiot, you sometimes sound like an idiot. You try speaking with Sarah Palin for a week, and see if you don’t end up sounding like Greta Van Sustren.

  • Blender

    “What kind of penalty can you give to an 88-year old murderer?”

    truss ’em up and give him to the panda furry guy?

  • johnnypantalones

    [re=336233]S.Luggo[/re]: Aha! You’ve found the smoking gun, Sluggo! Good for you! Now we can outlaw the Republican party! Yay!!!! Clearly belonging to a fucking Ron Paul Yahoo Group is tantamount to being paid with a briefcase full of Confederate dollars by Roger Ailes himself!

  • Jim Newell

    I have seen 100 different versions of this TPM headline in the last hour:

    “Does Holocaust Museum Shooting Vindicate DHS Report?”

    What you’re seeing there is very surface-level, giddy, smug political backslapping. Immediately. And you’re seeing this nut’s writing being spread all over the web and television, for the same purpose, even though that’s extremely dangerous. Let police officers and FBI officials do their jobs and arrest people when they get tips, as always.

    That is my very basic point.

  • dogscantlookup

    [re=336228]Scarab[/re]: Shoot him in the nuts and burn his ship to the water line

  • johnnypantalones

    [re=336238]Oldskool[/re]: Yeah, and I know tons of people like that, none of whom have shot anyone.

    CRAZY PEOPLE SHOOT PEOPLE SOMETIMES AND THEY WILL ALWAYS FIND A REASON DO SO.

    How is that hard to understand?

  • 4tehlulz

    [re=336181]ella[/re]: Yahoo and AP apparently missed the obvious:

    “An elderly gunman opens fire at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., killing a guard”

    Just a random old guy; nothing to see here. Move along.

  • boatapple

    [re=336221]Neilist[/re]: Eastern Shore? I could never believe that anyone actually lived there.

  • rereridiculous

    [re=336245]Moonbatting Average[/re]: It’s greater torture to just have him drink it.

  • Humpback

    [re=336250]Jim Newell[/re]: But, Jim, just because many smart people have the same thought at the same time does not make it wrong.

  • Blender

    I don’t want to outlaw the Republican party; I just want some of their money so I can buy myself a new, glistening, fully-functional liver so I can drink like this for another twenty years or so.

  • AnnieGetYourFun

    [re=336195]Jim Newell[/re]: Sorry, Jim. It’s just… it’s been so long since we had trucknutz or buttsecks or any of the important foundations that this blog was built on.

  • ManchuCandidate

    [re=336242]johnnypantalones[/re]:
    Yeah, cause the Repubs are pure of mind and soul and body!
    9/11! 9/11! 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!!!!!!!!!!

  • forgracie

    Who would have thunk that dehumanizing your political opponents could lead to violence? Shocking!

  • Disinterested

    [re=336250]Jim Newell[/re]: For the first time ever (maybe it’s result of a long, boring workday freeing my mind, er, huh?), I feel like I’m seeing the spread of a meme in real-time. By the end of the day tomorrow, there is going to be no question in anybody’s mind that this guy was told by Rush Limbaugh’s dog (also named Rush Limbaugh), to shoot up the museum as target practice before commanding his army of freepers to take out, Nancy Pelosi’s house, Capitol Hill, then the world. And we’ll be stuck here wondering how it all happened. I think it’s simple: it’s just too good of a story not to believe. Of course Glen Beck made him do it; we hate Glen and he’s evil and it’s just like him to do something like that. Cue echo chamber. But even more simple than that, it takes restraint to _not_ report on the story in this way, and we all know restraint is not something the blogo-whatsit has.

  • Clancy_Pants

    Does bring up a point about metal detectors.. If someone goes through a metal detector with guns blazing what good is the little “beeeeeeep”?

  • sati demise

    [re=336250]Jim Newell[/re]: but why didn’t the same thing happen after Tiller was shot?

    Curious. We havent heard ‘DHS vindication’ until today…

  • Dog Trombone

    [re=336195]Jim Newell[/re]: You and the Magical Mammary cracked me up today. Not an easy thing to do when commenting on a tragedy. Thank you both.

  • AnnieGetYourFun

    [re=336265]sati demise[/re]: Didn’t it?

  • sati demise

    [re=336263]Disinterested[/re]: Interesting that the newly outed fag ‘Shep Smith’ is reporting it in the same way.

  • ShamWow

    [re=336265]sati demise[/re]: Actually I was hearing it last week. Today’s event just cranked the vindication up a few notches

  • imissopus

    [re=336240]Kev-O-Tron[/re]: Yeah, with Pat Buchanan’s parents.

  • sati demise

    [re=336268]AnnieGetYourFun[/re]: It seemed to generate a lot of commentary about pro-choice vs pro-life, but I did not hear mentioned the DHS report….maybe I am out of the loop. or loopy.

  • AmazingLarry

    While equivocating the actions of lone gunmen with the policies and rhetoric of a political party and drawing a causal relationship does strain credulity, I think there is a point to be made about the effects of hysterical,dubious, and irresponsbile punditry on certain segments of the population who may decide to take justice into their own hands. Here in Pittsburgh three police officers were killed and several others wounded by a lone nut who built up an arsenal because — and he explicitly stated this — he was convinced Barack Obama was going to take away all of his guns. Why did he think this? He was told this by the NRA and Sean Hannity who gave a mainstream validity to these bizarre and inaccurate conspiracy theories. Should they face no culpability for these incidents? This is an instance in which a person believed exactly what was told to him and decided to act upon it, albeit in a terrible, illegal, and illogical way that was never explicitly advocated by any main stream right wingers. Still, the causal connection is far less tenuous than in cases where the media clicked their tongues and wagged their fingers at Marilyn Manson.

  • johnnypantalones

    [re=336260]ManchuCandidate[/re]: Yes, because that is totally what I’m saying. The Republicans are pure and good and you have sniffed me out as a right-winger in disguise, because no one could ever disagree with something liberal bloggers say or do without being a Glen Beck devotee.

  • sezme

    This guy has probably been planning this act for a very looooong time and was just waiting till the end of his own fucked up life so that as [re=336228]Scarab[/re] said, his punishment would be meaningless. That’s cowardice. But it has more to do with Adolph Hitler and Joe McCarthy than Glenn Beck.

  • stew

    Anything that pisses off dittoheads (liberal comments; their unemployment checks arriving late; their mothers demanding, “if you don’t like my cooking, get a place of your own, asshole!”…) is fine with me.

  • facehead

    OOO, has Rush Limbaugh (or anyone fat) starting saying that Obama can’t protect us from nazi terrorists?

  • Cleopatra Schwartz

    Another thing all the libtard commentators missed is how many more high school seniors will grope each other on day three of their D.C. field trips because they’re going to be forcefully diverted to some museum that isn’t totally depressing and awkward.

  • Mad Farmer Manifest

    [re=336274]AmazingLarry[/re]: Exactly. If you have a population that is unbalanced (the 20% who think Barry is the anti-Christ), and you push them hard with the kind of shit that Beck and Hannity spew, it will push some of them over the edge. Not all, but some proportion. Ask your boyfriend Nate Silver to explain the statistics of it.

  • Naked Bunny with a Whip

    Now I have the urge to shoot up this whole thread, with my penis. Excuse me while I go fap over Daily Kos or whatever while drinking lots.

  • Thatcher

    [re=336274]AmazingLarry[/re]: Not to get johnnypantless all worked up again, but DHS is monitoring this activity as well. But, I guess unless they write a report saying that “one” person may go all nutter and kill someone over this, their work in this regard is irrelevant.

  • Kev-O-Tron

    The whole Tiller murder thing was much more upsetting because the anti-abortion movement is very mainstream. The mainstream anti-choice crowd uses labels like “baby killer” and “murderer.” This is truly inflammatory rhetoric that they share with their extremist fringe. So when an extremist shoots an abortion doctor I think there is a much higher chance that conservative messaging is partly to blame for stoking the fire.

    Jim is right on in this case though. This guy sounds like a complete nutcase (at 89 isn’t anybody?) and I don’t think it’s fair to say that conservatism has strong anti-Semitic ties or beliefs. It’s sad that a random shooting (which happens ALL the time) gets turned into political posturing while some innocent guys family is trying to get a grip. Frankly it makes liberals look reactionary and opportunistic. Liberals were right about the DHS report uproar and they should take the upper hand and just keep their mouths shut and let the FBI do its job and the family grieve.

  • Holding Out for a Hero

    The point being (I think) that those on the left scream and cry and carry on when the GOP uses 9/11, terrorism, Gitmo detainees to score political points and now seem a tad (or more) hypocritical when using this incident.

    (I don’t like coming here to be serious, so let’s not do this again)

  • sati demise

    [re=336276]sezme[/re]: probably started with AH and McCarthy…but teh black guy as president of this US America might have made someone of his generation go over the edge.

    I know a few old guys like this….they have gone a bit wacky/radical now that the unthinkable has happened (in their view).

  • paintitblack

    [re=336273]sati demise[/re]: ya may be loopy. the DHS report was discussed ad nauseum after Dr. Tiller was killed, mainly by MSNBC types & such.

    Snark off: agreed that there’s too much jumping to conclusions on both sides. for me, there is sheer shrieking frustration at what many on the right have been saying endlessly, including that they hope & pray that BHO FAILs, or even that they pray that BHO is, uh, well treated like this security guard today. The cognitive dissonance of this rhetoric is disturbing, plus added helpings of bald-faced racism thrown in for good measure doesn’t help. I could bore away but won’t. It’s a pressure valve relief to mock teabaggers & overly-earnest DailyKos-types (even tho I tend fall into the latter category myself sometimes). So I snark here once in a while to keep perspective.

    But as a much earlier post said, the thing is that the rightwingtards do seem to be well stocked w/ammo and guns. And I have a coupla pals who were in Rwanda in the way-back time, and this kind of inflamed rhetoric was spewed forth on the radio, and then look what happened.

    Can’t happen here, ya say? Hmmm, well, I wish. Pointing out reality, though, may not be snarkalicious fun. The end.

    snark on…

  • ericblair

    Newell, your cynicism is showing. Your writing is brilliant, but this seems a “meta” too far.

  • bago

    [re=336250]Jim Newell[/re]: It’s not all back-slapping. If you count all of the people that died today from the right-wing-gun-toting bastard of today, you wind up with a number that is less than a third of my friends who have been killed by a right-wing-gun-toting bastard. Every defender of a right-wing-gun-toting bastard needs to have their face rubbed in it.

  • Fox n Fiends

    [re=336283]Kev-O-Tron[/re]: ‘random shooting’? really? he just randomly drove to the holocaust museum from eastern Maryland to kill the guard? huh. what else do you consider random? MLK’s assasination? The Rape of Nanking? Do tell!

  • CaliforniaMike

    The worst thing about this — for everyone except the dead guy, his friends and family — is that now we’re going to have to listen to all these white guys with bad jobs and/or tiny genitals whining about how the Second Amendment gives them the right to kill.

  • ericblair

    [re=336283]Kev-O-Tron[/re]: “The whole Tiller murder thing was much more upsetting….”

    Tell it to the family of the dead security guard, Stephen Tyrone Johns.

  • Jamie Sommers

    [re=336250]This comment [/re] was not funny, snarky or ironic. Ban him!

  • chascates

    This isn’t news. News would be an angry black man (no relation to our esteemed fellow Wonketter) going on a shooting spree inside the Museum of the Confederacy or a Native American trashing a museum to the Seventh Cavalry.

  • mad mom

    [re=336166]bago[/re]: Actually the free republic threads are kind of funny in a hideous vomitious kind of a way, because they get deep into the whole muslin thing post after post until they find out the killer is–well–almost kind of one of them, after which they do a whole Emily Litella ne-ver mind kind of thing and start worrying about how the leftists in the government-controlled media are going to, like, GENERALIZE about right-wingers based on just this one guy, it’s so unfair….

  • hobospacejunkie

    [re=336204]shortsshortsshorts[/re]: [re=336161]magic titty[/re]: Amen, fellows.

    I guess we can’t expect sanctimonious libtards to understand Newell unless he spells it out for them in big fucking letters that retards can try to phonetically sound out. He ain’t making fun of the dead. He’s making fun of the libtard bloggers using A DEAD MAN to make a political point. If you wanna get sanctimonious about anything, cry your tears over that tone deafness.

  • sati demise

    [re=336294]CaliforniaMike[/re]: yea, we already had to listen to Billo deny that he called Dr. Tiller “the baby killer’.
    Who knew Billo was a poet? …and his poems are on tape!

  • The Rev. Yevot

    [re=336129]taylormattd[/re]: If only we could all be so lucky; she would’ve at least worked an ass-fucking reference into a post on this terrible tragedy.

  • ordinaryperson

    I just don’t see who these libtard bloggers are attempting to score points with? Their own audience… the one that already agrees with them and thinks these things and blames Fox News for everything?

    Isn’t finding the source of the hatred important? If it comes from the political right, isn’t that news? I agree that their “insightful” tie-it-all-together analysis of a right-wing/Fox News/Bush-Cheney cabal is overreaching. But if it’s a rightwing hater, reporting it is important.

  • imissopus

    So liberal bloggers use this tragedy to write smug and self-righteous posts basically saying “DHS was right so DIAF wingnuts!” Which motivates Wonkette to write a smug and self-righteous post criticizing the smug and self-righteous posts written by the liberal bloggers, and somewhere on the net some wingnut bloggers will write smug and self-righteous posts extolling the smug and self-righteous post written by the known liberals at Wonkette slamming the smug and self-righteous posts written by the liberal bloggers, which will lead liberal bloggers to write smug and self-righteous posts about how that known liberal blog founded by Air America reporter Ana Marie Cox has prostituted itself and aligned with the wingnuts by writing smug and self-righteous posts about the smug and self-righteous posts written by the liberal bloggers linking the Holocaust Museum shooting and the DHS report in the first place.

    Circle of life, hakuna mantata, etc.

  • CaliforniaMike

    We could stop this shit fairly easily.

    Announce to the right wing that the next time something like this happens, we execute five right-wing talk radio hosts, exhume Charlton Heston’s body and skull-fuck his corpse.

  • paintitblack

    [re=336298]mad mom[/re]: Indeed. ‘zackly wha happened after Dr. Tiller’s untimely demise. The good doc was barely gone & the fetus-lovers started spewing about how un-fay-yer the eevul librul media would treat poor victimized “pro-lifers” who are just, ya know, exercising their “rights.”

  • Advocatus_Diaboli

    [re=336250]Jim Newell[/re]: Jim. It wasn’t too hard to catch the guy. And why not publicly ridicule that stupid fucker. I think pointing to his blog posts, etc. is exactly what should be done. Point and laugh (or cry, for that matter). Fuck fucking von dickbag or whatever his name is and fuck the fucking fuckers on fucking fox fucking news that will continue to ignore the fact that there are some sick fucking people here and, oh, by the way, they’re generally listening to a.m. radio, posting on freerepublic, and watching fox fucking news.

  • Kev-O-Tron

    [re=336292]Fox n Fiends[/re]: [re=336295]ericblair[/re]: Fuck you both. Okay it’s not “random” as in an innocent bystander got shot but it’s random in the sense that it’s about 1 of 1,000 hate crimes that will be committed this year. When a white lady walking through Queens gets robbed and shot is it fair for the media to talk about the DANGEROUS NEGROS or the Latino street thugs and further the conservative, crime busting agenda? My answer is “no” I think crime is over-reported in national and local news to the disservice of all parties.

    [re=336295]ericblair[/re]: did you not read the rest of my post. You know? The part about letting the family grieve? Obviously any innocent person being murdered is extremely sad. I found the Tiller saga uniquely tragic because his killer is more closely tied to a mainstream, popular movement. I’ve explained that twice now so maybe if you read both comments slowly and sound out the big words you’ll figure it out while your ruminating in bed tonight.

  • shortsshortsshorts

    [re=336311]Kev-O-Tron[/re]: YOU ARE VERY OFFENDING TO ME. WHY DON’T YOU FUCK MY WIFE, YOU BASTARD? ARE YOU ENJOYING YOURSELF? DOES IT MAKE YOU HAPPY TO MAKE LIGHT OF A SITUATION SO THAT OTHERS CAN CHANGE YOUR WORDS AND FUCK WITH YOU? HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT? DO YOU SLEEP WELL? YOU ARE INCREDIBLY INSENSITIVE. YOU ARE NOTHING LIKE CAPTAIN SULLY MC. SULLENBERGER.

  • johnnypantalones

    [re=336310]Advocatus_Diaboli[/re]: Yeah, and if none of those things existed this 88 year old man would have never had an Anti-Semitic thought, let alone shot up the Holocaust museum. Damn you Rupert Murdoch! *shakes fist*

  • AKAM80TheWolf

    [re=336250]Jim Newell[/re]:

    Jim,

    They report on it for the exact same reason that you and your editors make posts. It’s what you do. It’s what is done. Especially in this day and age, how can you expect both the left-wing and right-wing to NOT assert their opinion. It is what it is.

  • Mad Farmer Manifest

    Boo to those who try to score points with the death of an innocent, for starters.
    Secondly, enough with the “there are wackos on both sides” horseshit. Someone please give me an example of lefties in this country murdering someone for political reasons in the last 20 years. The Unabomber (kinda lefty, kinda righty)? Squeaky Fromm attempting to off Ford in the ’70’s? Property destruction and pies in the face for corporate businessmen is not equivalent to shooting doctors at home or church, bombing a clinic, or blowing up a fucking federal building. There may be “wackos on both sides”, but only the right wingers are blowing people away.

  • dijetlo

    [re=336235]Mr Blifil[/re]: Your post is BEYOND THE PALE. The June Solstice is still some days away.

    In that case…just another spring day on the big blue marble.

  • stew

    Lou Dobbs has a real “I’m really fucked now” look on his nasty face.

  • Cicada

    Here is my oh-so-cynical-and-depressed-rant:

    I worked at an abortion clinic for five years. During that time, the clinic I worked at received 2 fake anthrax letters, 1 bomb threat (where we had to evacuate patients post-op), and dealt with bi-weekly protests. I was followed home by a protester once. Two of our doctors were targeted by Operation Rescue, which included protests at their homes and, one time, at their kid’s school (classy motherfuckers, those anti-choicers). We had to have trainings on how to deal with automatic weapons fire and bio-agent attacks

    And now people are suddenly noticing domestic terrorism? Fuck you, you opportunistic douchebags. Maybe, I don’t know, you should have been paying this same amount of attention to these assholes before another doctor got killed. Jesus fucking christ, I hate EVERYBODY.

    Sorry, but the whole “Gee, these people are TERRORISTS! Golly, we should really do something” bullshit is pissing me off. Where the hell have you people been for the last twenty years?

  • hobospacejunkie

    Maybe there’s an army of 80+year-olds, armed with M1 Garands, ready to take over the country on Von Brunn’s signal.

    Maybe that’s the real story we’re missing here. And one we’ll regret missing when we wake up dead tomorrow.

  • AKAM80TheWolf

    [re=336311]Kev-O-Tron[/re]:

    You kind of miss the point entirely, rainbows and unicorns be damned. Please point me to one group of people or faction whose goal it is to encite violence and death to white women.

    van Brunn’s targeting was specific, the targetting of van Brunn is specific as well. Not just an old white guy, but an old, white, racist, anti-semitic crazy guy.

  • BadKitty

    [re=336275]johnnypantalones[/re]: After reading (most of) this thread, all I can say to you is shut the fuck up. Seriously. Just shut the fuck up already.

  • Kev-O-Tron

    [re=336312]shortsshortsshorts[/re]: How dare you make a joke on a humor blog on a Wednesday. It’s Wednesday and that is a day for sanctimonious, national soapbox standing. And I am fucking your wife and that’s really unfunny and serious.

  • sati demise

    [re=336315]Mad Farmer Manifest[/re]: interesting ‘theory’ you have there Mr. Mad Farmer.

    I was just mad at the FBI for not enforcing the FACE laws.
    They seemed to have fuc*ed up on the Tiller murder.

    Whats the total death count now?
    RW wackos during Obama admin vs LW wackos during Bush?

  • hobospacejunkie

    [re=336318]Cicada[/re]: Good point. And I think you would’ve “enjoyed” MSNBC this past week as KO & Rachel have been making exactly your point since Dr. Tiller was murdered, i.e., what the fuck do these loons have to do to be considered & treated as terrorists?

  • schvitzatura

    Hate and the changing socio-economic condition, Lou Dobbs? This whackjob was the racist dreg of the so-called “Greatest Generation”.

    These guys are squozing their last bit of gumption and vitality in a Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid-esque blaze of infamy. This old is a firebrand for all the Grand Torino Generation+ to strap on and lock and load.

    Nothing left to lose is the most dangerous of states for a sizable segment of society to identify with. Welcome to the Thunderdome!

  • shortsshortsshorts

    [re=336323]Kev-O-Tron[/re]: WELL AT LEAST THAT IS SETTLED. NOW LET’S TALK ABOUT CAPTAIN SULLY MCSULLYBERGER. HE MAKES PEOPLE HAPPY.

  • sati demise

    [re=336318]Cicada[/re]: amen. good on you sistah.

  • TeddyS

    When is Juneteenth? Is it the same as the June Soltice? Or June Allyson? Or like Jews in general?

    I get tired of talking about rightwing gun nuts shooting nonrightwing people, and we haven’t even touched on the other funny gunny stories today. Guy walks into the principal’s office, see, waving a gun and all pissed off about the school sending home a note for his kid to wash his hands… same show, different channel.

  • johnnypantalones

    [re=336315]Mad Farmer Manifest[/re]: Well, I can’t give you anything recent in this country of note, but how about Baader-Meinhof for starters? I mean, just because the majority of the gun-happy nuts in this country at this time in history are rignt-wingers doesn’t mean that no left wing terrorists have ever existed, but I suppose the only thing that matters is what’s happening RIGHT NOW in this particular country, right?

    See, the problem with this whole fucking thing is that partisans on both sides, rather than saying “Shit’s fucked up” are rushing to use it as a cudgel in their never-ending battle over who can be the biggest cumstain. The libtards are yelling “AHA! THE DHS REPORT WAS RIGHT! FUK U BOEHNER.” and the wingnuts are rushing to bring up obscure as lefty radicals as if that shit is equivalent, and both sides can suck on a big ole bag of unicorn dicks.

    An 88 year old white guy shot a guard at the Holocaust museum. What websites he posted on and who he listened to are largely irrelevant, ESPECIALLY given the target. I don’t recall the righties stirring up a bunch of anti-Semitic bull lately, but don’t let that stand in the way of getting up on yer high horses about Sean Hannity or whoever.

  • BadKitty

    [re=336318]Cicada[/re]: But… but…. it’s different now because now real people might get hurt not just femi-Nazi abortionists.

    (I’m also a former clinic worker – I share your cynicism and depression)

  • Kev-O-Tron

    [re=336321]AKAM80TheWolf[/re]: Yes, he’s a crazy guy. How is that representative of any larger scheme. His dogma or platform is taken seriously by a tiny fraction of the population. Certainly lots of people are racist but I hardly call that a serious, political movement. Frankly, I don’t think you can consider this guy right-wing or left-wing. And to label him right wing is disingenuous and insulting to the moderate, reasonable conservatives out there. They are out there no? You are correct though. I am wrong to suggest that there is a group of people targeting white women. Except for me and my friends on Friday night.

    But! I think it’s fair to point out that tragedies like this get played on the 24 hour news because it gets ratings and that’s really pathetic. We need to get rid of the racist, anti-semitic elements in our society but is that accomplished through over-reporting of a personal tragedy? Can we at least agree that Tillers killer is a member of a more mainstream movement that is a more serious threat?

  • johnnypantalones

    [re=336322]BadKitty[/re]: Who are you, the fuckin hall monitor? Eat shit, fuck-o.

  • Kev-O-Tron

    [re=336328]shortsshortsshorts[/re]: Captain Sully has all the kids over for ice cream Sundaes on Sundays and sometimes there’s even a clown. We go for rides in his aeroplane.

    God my unicorn is farting all over this thread…

  • sati demise

    [re=336331]johnnypantalones[/re]: umm johnny boy, you realize Barry just got back from one of the concentration death camps in Germany, right?
    that may be relevant to the target. or not. People are fuc*in crazy.

  • peggynooner

    [re=336250]Jim Newell[/re]: You post to your blog at 4:30ish and it takes you until after 6 to make your basic fucking point? Maybe you should return to fake boob-hating posts..oh yeah, that’s Layme.

    Listen, not all “liberal blogs” are trying to “score points” – sorry for the scare quotes, but you know – irony – Jimbo. Some are just trying to make sense of what feels like the tectonic rumblings of a seismic summer. Get real, get funny, or get bent – this whole place stinques.

  • sati demise

    jeebus, the lefties better put a fire under Bill Ayres. We are losing our cred. & gittin dissed.

  • El Pinche

    THE WAR HAS BEGGUN SHEEPLE!. SECRET WAR MESSAGES:
    CODE PINK: “The goat in the moon jumps on a lazy night.”
    GEORGE CLOONEY: “Meatball, meatball, spaghetti underneath.”
    ALEC BALDWIN: “Shim sham the rim ram.”

  • KristaJulieva

    It’s so annoying when political commentators take things that happen and then frame what has happened around subjects of ongoing political debate and then give their perspective on it. They should type, “What a tragedy; so unfortunate,” a few dozen times instead, then wait seventy-two hours before saying anything more.

  • shortsshortsshorts

    [re=336340]peggynooner[/re]: Fuck you, Giraldo.

  • hobospacejunkie

    [re=336340]peggynooner[/re]: Just FYI, I believe scare quotes are now known as dick fingers, per Jon Stewart.

  • johnnypantalones

    [re=336338]sati demise[/re]: So what, did Sean Hannity blink out orders to kill in Morse code to this dude while reporting on that? What the fuck does Barry going to a concentration camp have to do with anything? Every fucking President visits those sites, how is that at all related to the larger discussion which is “how the fuck is some crazy old dude shooting up the Holocaust museum the fault of Fox News or related to the DHS report?”

    Answer: It’s not and it isn’t. Crazy people shoot people. If the guy didn’t have FreeRepublic to post on, he still would have had Stormfront or any number of white supremacist hate-sites, and he probably still would have shot people.

    If the guy had shot up, say, a John Birch Society meeting and it was revealed that he posted on DailyKos, the right wingers would be having a field day with it too and they’d be just as big of shitheads for doing so. This is not at all a hard point to grasp.

  • Mad Farmer Manifest

    [re=336331]johnnypantalones[/re]: The vampiric impulse to score points with the death of another is totally shitty. I stated that.

    I agree with the idea you are getting at, but the “equivalent wackos” brand of false even-handedness has to go. We had numerous violent leftist groups in this country throughout history, but they have generally directed their efforts at the individuals oppressing them directly, not random innocents or unrelated government employees. In the last 30 years, the extreme left has largely used non-violent tactics. Not so the right-wing. Those assholes don’t have the stones to sit in a tree while cops shoot rubber bullets at the from below.

    And when we are talking about recent history in this particular country, then yeah, it is important what’s been happening in this country, recently. I could bring up Boddicea’s insurrection against the Romans in some fashion, but it’s about as relevant to the topic at hand as Baader-Meinhof.

  • hobospacejunkie

    [re=336343]El Pinche[/re]: Binky the Clown: “The dolphins are in the jacuzzi.”

  • Jim Newell

    OK this thread needs to end. Perhaps I was bending over backwards if it produced a thread like this. Let me find a picture of George Bush Sr. groping a wombat or something and post it.

  • Inadequate Blackmail

    Dreezle Drazzle Drozzle Drome. Time for this one to come home.

  • peggynooner

    [re=336350]Jim Newell[/re]: Can I first correct, for the record, that it is “Geraldo”? kthxbye

  • johnnypantalones

    [re=336348]Mad Farmer Manifest[/re]: Yeah, but my whole point is that given what we know about it now, none of that shit is relevant. Yeah, he was a birther, but what does that have to do with shooting people at the Holocaust museum? If a crazy old anti-Semite shoots up the Holocaust museum again tomorrow and we found that he believes in UFOs and that the moon landing was faked that shit wouldn’t be relevant either and we wouldn’t start baying for Art Bell’s blood, would we?

  • dsdrane

    Gah!

  • Extemporanus

    FIRST!!1

  • liquiddaddy

    Leave Jim alone!!

  • Gopherit

    [re=336350]Jim Newell[/re]: Nah, Jim. Libs have their share of mouth-breathing Beck analogs. Scoring a cheap political point over something like this is monumentally stupid.

  • shortsshortsshorts

    [re=336353]peggynooner[/re]: Noted.

  • Advocatus_Diaboli

    [re=336313]johnnypantalones[/re]: yeah, that was exactly my point, because a.m. radio and fox news just report the facts.

  • schvitzatura

    [re=336320]hobospacejunkie[/re]: Will 19-year-old nephew attached to the Alabama National Guard draw down with his M16A2 on his Great Uncle Oshel, an 86-year-old rabid white supremecist, or join up with the old man to take down ZOG?

    Find out on tonight’s Lou Dobbs Tonight!

  • Cicada

    [re=336332]BadKitty[/re]: fist-bump!

  • stew

    Loofah Boy seems to be completely ignoring this–so far only talking about Nancy Pelosi.

  • Gopherit

    [re=336331]johnnypantalones[/re]:Answer: It’s not and it isn’t. Crazy people shoot people. If the guy didn’t have FreeRepublic to post on, he still would have had Stormfront or any number of white supremacist hate-sites, and he probably still would have shot people.

    If the guy had shot up, say, a John Birch Society meeting and it was revealed that he posted on DailyKos, the right wingers would be having a field day with it too and they’d be just as big of shitheads for doing so. This is not at all a hard point to grasp.

    One big problem with your argument……this guy has been a major figure in the white supremacist movement for decades. He isn’t your average crazy with a gun. This is a significant issue in terms of domestic terrorism…….and shouldn’t have a goddamn thing to do with scoring political points. Strange how we agree on that.

  • Advocatus_Diaboli

    [re=336250]Jim Newell[/re]: Jim, i hope [re=336313]johnnypantalones[/re]: is as good at sucking your cock as [re=336313]johnnypantalones[/re] is at being a douchebag.

  • facehead

    [re=336375]Gopherit[/re]: If typing in all caps makes u a wingnut, what does typing in all italics make you?

    [re=336380]Advocatus_Diaboli[/re]: If I knew it was that kind of party I woulda stuck my trucknutz in the cheese whiz.

  • Bebe Loves You

    Being as serious as I can while sucking a cheap sausage I’d like to point out that most of us do recognize that there is a difference between the violent Christianist Right and the Republican Party. We’d just like the latter to divorce themselves from the former.

    WHile Michael Steele is indeed no Freeper (I don’t think they’d have him) he is kowtowing people like Rush Limbaugh who seriously do advocate violence and misinformation, and ignoring very serious race bating from rising stars like Sarah Palin.

    I am not at all happy about an innocent minimum wage security guard getting whacked by a whack job. And no, I don’t think that Republicans are white supremacist nazis. But they have not repudiated very dangerous elements that use hated and mistruth to divide the country. As annoying as liberals are, they do not champion gun rights or use racial anger to motivate voters. That’s not saying that they don’t do other shit they should be called on.. But this guy bought into a lot of things advocated and endorsed by prominent Republicans who should know better.

  • Gopherit

    [re=336384]facehead[/re]: a retard. Fucking mistyped the closing italic.

    Are you ever coming home to us face?

  • Cookie Guggelman

    Killing a black man in a holocaust museum must be a very big day for a white supremacist.

  • Disinterested

    [re=336344]KristaJulieva[/re]: EXACTLY! God forbid anyone wait until they know the facts before spewing their shit opinions all over us. Did you miss the talk about the freeper thread above? The one where they assumed the shooter was a Muslim because that’s what Muslims do to Jews? How is that different from somebody posting at DailyKos about how this is all the Republicans’ fault because sometimes crazy people are Republicans? I would submit to you that it is THE SAME THING.

  • Gopherit

    [re=336389]Cookie Guggelman[/re]: Very well put. TY for resetting the snark compass here.

  • Disinterested

    Man, the competition for Comment O’ The Day is going to be tough one to judge with all the comedy cold in this thread.

  • dogscantlookup

    In Rwanda the radio nuts yelled kill the cockroach! kill the cockroach! They had no responsibility for what a few crazies took from those words. I know there is absolutely no parallel to our media, none at all

  • sati demise

    [re=336389]Cookie Guggelman[/re]: w.i.n.

  • doloras

    [re=336399]dogscantlookup[/re]: OMG SO TROO. Why did no-one stop Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly when they were making their broadcasts about how people should shoot up Holocaust museums? Because they were totally saying that. Right?

  • Canuckledragger

    [re=336195]Jim Newell[/re]: So, because liberal bloggers were quick on the draw in mocking GOPers on their DHS report response, said bloggers are wrong? Not inaccurate, but wrong? How many more Tillers and Johns before liberal bloggers have your permission to comment? Get a clue. Banhammer? BFD big man.

    [re=336242]johnnypantalones[/re]: “…that DHS report, that, if you’ll recall, was about GROUPS of right wing domestic terrorists, not lone nutball 88 year olds who might shoot up the Holocaust Museum,…”

    Now that is wrong and wrong, bucko. Here’s a news flash from Fox, so I’m sure you will find it credible and not whinge on about the source:

    “It adds that new restrictions on gun ownership and the difficulty of veterans to reintegrate into their communities “could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/14/homeland-security-warns-rise-right-wing-extremism/

    Loners were not excluded by the DHS report. Not that you’d care, since you’re as anxious to make your own feeble points as those you deride for doing the same thing. But since you self-identify as a righty, up against all those nasty libs who torture you so, you’re entitled to your feelings of victimization, right?

  • Cathangover

    [re=336392]Disinterested[/re]: You saying that that other person is right is right.

  • NYNYNY

    [re=336229]johnnypantalones[/re]: Not to be dense, but who are the left-winger shooters? I’m pretty sure Hinckley and the Unabomber have never been described as lefty.

  • dogscantlookup

    [re=336331]johnnypantalones[/re]: “I don’t recall the righties stirring up a bunch of anti-Semitic bull lately”
    How about the Evangelical push for all Jews to be in Israel so jebus can cum back and dropkick them all into the lake of fire to burn with JFK, Gandhi, and Cyrus the great, and all the other unbelievers for ever

  • NYNYNY

    [re=336404]sati demise[/re]: p.o.o.p.

  • AKAM80TheWolf

    [re=336410]Canuckledragger[/re]:

    I want to have your Canadian babies! You took the words right off of my hairy chest.

    This thread was starting to bring out the one man fascist military junta that subsists within my soul.

    He’ll have to wait another day.

    Banhammer of the Gods!

  • Don Juanquete

    This is all owing to the racialism of Sotomayor and sekksialism of Letterman, and Islamialism of Obama, and soon lawmakers must pass a measure allowing concealed, loaded firearms to be carried in museums.
    But no one has blamed Ben Stiller yet.

  • dogscantlookup

    [re=336350]Jim Newell[/re]: This what us libtards do best, eat our own to the point the jebus freaks have so few of us to stomp

  • sati demise

    [re=336416]NYNYNY[/re]: f.u.

    [re=336410]Canuckledragger[/re]: So, whats the kill score?
    RW wackos under Obama=5? 7? so far.
    LW wackos under Bush=? (when the left seemed to have some grievances, amirite?)

  • Bearbloke

    [re=336247]Lionel Hutz Esq.[/re]:
    “(when, in fact, we know that they are all evil, and only half are gay)”

    /fixed

  • keepinitrealyo

    [re=336234]johnnypantalones[/re]: On the other hand, the guy managed to go thirty years without shooting jews, until O’Reilly and Beck came along. Double edged sword, that argument.

  • Anarchitect

    [re=336315]Mad Farmer Manifest[/re]: AGREED. The terrorists on the left are angry vegans who firebomb Hummer dealerships. Nobody dies, and on the weekends they liberate bunnies from the clutches of Procter and Gamble.

    And on the right we have:

    COMPLETELY INSANE METH HEAD NAZI ANTI-CHOICE KKK NUTJOBS.

  • Anarchitect

    [re=336427]keepinitrealyo[/re]: Just take that right wing media bullhorn and turn it up a notch and ta da! You’ve got Rwanda!

  • dogscantlookup

    [re=336407]doloras[/re]: No they were just saying that tiller murdered 60,000 children and abused good girls, and they just said that the left is destroying the world and threatening the families of Christians almost everyday. If I had a national outlet and screamed DEATH TO THE RULING CLASS everyday for years and a libtard who listened to my stupid rants killed a rich man I guess I would feel nothing about what I said

  • EdFlinstone

    [re=336410]Canuckledragger[/re]: Post of the day, well done.

  • sati demise

    [re=336429]Anarchitect[/re]: yea, but those are lefty crimes against CAPITALISM.
    As we know, that is the moral equivalency for killin’ people.

  • facehead

    This thread is getting out of hand. I’m going into the forbidden sex chatroom to try and work this out.

    DON’T ASK ME TO BE IN ANY OF YOUR ORGIES!!!

    Just tell me.

  • x111e7thst

    If you want to do something useful send the Southern Poverty Law Center http://www.splcenter.org/ a few dollars. If someone has already suggested this please excuse the repetition.

  • dogscantlookup

    [re=336443]x111e7thst[/re]: already a member, ha ha I said member

  • lada_sue

    Has everyone seen what our boyfriend Shep Smith has to say about it? Good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxvunbIWNyI

  • dogscantlookup

    What would Morris Dees do if he was here right now
    bet he’d kick an ass or two
    that’s what Morris Dees would do

  • biznesskommunity

    Local murder, huh? What the fuck, like the Holocaust Museum is a Black & White Liquors? Do you not see a pattern? This is, what, like 5 months into the Obama admin. Were you an adult during the Clinton years? Do you remember Oklahoma City? Maybe David Denby or whoever was right. Jesus. What a stupid fucking post.

  • boinggg

    [re=336443]x111e7thst[/re]: That’s a good idea. And here’s something else everybody might want to do–check out Storm Front, http://www.stormfront.org. Read some of the posts (there are several about von Brumm, or whatever his name is). These people aren’t Republicans, they’re not right-wing. They may claim to be concerned about political issues, but they’re not. They’re just a bunch of people full of hate, and proud of it. They’re not all stupid, but they’re all crazy as shit.

  • lada_sue

    I give. An abortion doctor is shot once again. An elderly man who has always dreamt of killing him some jews and coloreds realizes his time is short. Connect the dots for me.

  • lada_sue

    [re=336459]lada_sue[/re]: Eh, for biznesskommunity there. {Glug, glug}

  • hobospacejunkie

    [re=336434]dogscantlookup[/re]: LET VERY BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO THE RULING CLASS! (Wouldn’t wanna be a hypocrite & call for their deaths, at least not today.)

  • Don Juanquete

    Srsly, not extremists, but ordinary small-town right-wingers are referencing this site. The Holocaust resulted from gun control. Gun control produces crazies…
    http://www.xmission.com/~ranthon/hitler-and-guns.htm

  • Cathangover

    Free Republic is saying this guy is actually more of a left-wing type guy. Can fifty of you start new blogs immediately so we can win the ideology war for the next two hours?

  • dogscantlookup

    [re=336464]hobospacejunkie[/re]: Touché, I haz to much of the drinky drinky what I meant to say was peace and love peace and love! also

  • kth

    Oh, I suspect Josh Marshall and Matt Yglesias don’t really think that this country is about to erupt in a coast-to-coast conflagration of right-wing violence. They probably think (I know I do) that the terrorism threat is massively overhyped, and their main point is probably that people who do profess to be exceedingly concerned about terrorism are markedly less so when the perp is a right-wing white dude. What’s wrong with pointing this out?

  • boinggg

    [re=336467]Don Juanquete[/re]: You’re saying that if only the civilian Jews of France and Poland had all possessed fireams, they would have brought down the Third Reich and prevented the Holocaust? And how about those lynchings of black people in 19th- and 20th-Century America–that was a response to gun control?

  • boinggg

    [re=336467]Don Juanquete[/re]: And I checked out your link. You’re making my point.

  • Don Juanquete

    [re=336477]boinggg[/re]: Sorry it wasn’t clear but I don’t agree with that shit. I think it’s bat-shit crazy.

    My point was that ordinary red-staters (which I’m not) not just Stormfronters are saying this kind of thing. Also, in small towns, when they show Schindlers List, they sometimes have these messages at the beginning or intermission time, that gun control caused the Holocaust.

  • Advocatus_Diaboli

    [re=336467]Don Juanquete[/re]: You are cordially invited to eat a bag of flaming uncut dicks.

  • Jamie Sommers

    ‘Scuse me, Jezzies. I was looking for Wonkette, former humor blog. Anyone seen which way it went?

  • southpaw

    I grieve for Stephen T. Johns, who lost his life courageously defending others today.

    But I also rebel at the premise which underlies Jim’s post: that politics is a consequence free game which we all have to put on the shelf when someone perpetrates violence. The shooting at the Holocaust Museum, like the assassination of George Tiller, was a politically motivated crime. Right wing extremist politics, from everything that we know now, provided the motivation to both shooters. And yet we live in a political environment where credible warnings of right wing extremist violence are hysterically attacked for partisan gain. It was then and is now deadly serious stuff, and it’s permeated by politics.

    You said: “Let police officers and FBI officials do their jobs and arrest people when they get tips, as always.

    That is my very basic point.”
    Preventing security officials from doing their jobs is precisely what the whole foofaraw over the DHS report was about. The attacks on DHS were successful; DHS withdrew their conclusions and apologized. They kept these officials from doing their jobs when the officials were right on about what was coming down the pike.

    You think I’m happy about the wave of violence? You think Josh Marshall is happy that a man died? And you think it’s the liberals who are politically cynical? Fuck, man.

  • El Pinche

    [re=336448]lada_sue[/re]: His days are numbered at FoxNews. He’s not licking the mold in between Roger Aisles unbathed fat rolls like Doucy or Hannity.

  • Don Juanquete

    [re=336483]Jamie Sommers[/re]: Well, it’s DC. It’s the gossip associated with the bad thing. Sometimes, hard to snark. I did try to blame this on Ben Stiller though.

  • Tito Puente

    [re=336483]Jamie Sommers[/re]: Seriously, everybody here sucks.

  • sati demise

    [re=336486]southpaw[/re]: on this point there was a great interview on Rachel Maddows show about the real escalation of violent threats to womens health centers since Obama entered office. The RW has been calling Obama a ‘baby killer’ etc for his pro choice stance and now that he is the president the whole sordid right to life movement is ramping up attacks of all sorts this year.

    The woman interviewed works for a clinic and described all sorts of violations of the federal laws by these wingnut clinic protesters. All that she is requesting is for the feds to enforce the existing laws, create buffer zones, let the clinics operate in peace and security.

    But no, the ‘equivalency police’ think it is rational to protect the protesters rights at the expense of the rights of law abiding clinics and workers.
    Its fucked up and has to be changed.

    I would not want those wingnuts touching me as I go in to get a pap smear at a womens clinic.
    YUCK!, tell the Fed to do their fucking job.

  • Don Juanquete

    [re=336482]Advocatus_Diaboli[/re]: I’m still misunderstood? Pls. I am just concerned everyone is looking at Stormfronters and not looking at the extent of hate-thoughts are spreading in the heartland ‘mongst the main-street ordinaries. Now I’ll pull my plug.

  • proudgrampa

    257 comments?????

    WTF??

    Move on, people. There’s nothing to see here…

  • dogscantlookup

    Good game everyone, I’ll see you in the showers

  • biznesskommunity

    [re=336459]lada_sue[/re]:

    * March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of the year before. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn’s murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
    * June 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside of another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings, received a death sentence, and was executed September 3, 2003.
    * December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International,[12] was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
    * January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
    * October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian’s murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
    * May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.[13]

  • dogscantlookup

    [re=336509]biznesskommunity[/re]: This is why I still wear my duty vest almost everywhere I go, like Leo Banks on The Unusuals.
    Ya Iz waz a renticop

  • biznesskommunity

    [re=336511]dogscantlookup[/re]:

    Ha! I bet you were sucking at your housemaid’s tit in 1993 weren’t you?

  • biznesskommunity
  • Kev-O-Tron

    You people are sick and should be put in camps.

    Over the top?

    /Malkin off

  • Aquannissiwamissoo

    Jim Newell: FAIL

    Not funny dood.

    The purpose of Wonkette is teh funny.

    What’s next, making fun of the “liberal overreaction” to Martin Luther King, Jr. getting capped?

    Step your game up.

  • Mr Blifil

    At this point the 9/11 Truthers are smacking their foreheads and saying “WTF Wonkette?”

  • hobospacejunkie

    [re=336523]Aquannissiwamissoo[/re]: Read Jim’s post again. He’s not cracking on the “liberal overreaction.” He’s criticizing liberal bloggers whose first reaction was not “oh jesus, a man was killed by a crazy today,” but rather “see, you evil republicans? you pooped on the DHS report and now look!” They’re more interested in scoring political points than the fact that a man was killed. They appear to be putting politics above human life.

    So yeah, 250+ posts, several of which already explained this which shouldn’t need explaining, and yet still people come on here and totally misinterpret Newell’s point, which wasn’t even subtle. If you don’t think it’s funny, no big deal, move on. But don’t attack him for something he didn’t do/say.

  • dogscantlookup

    [re=336518]biznesskommunity[/re]: What is a housemaid? I drank from my Stubentiger in 1993 when I was 14

  • Homo Superior

    I understand the nuance between mocking the murder and mocking the liberal self-aggrandizement that happened in reaction to it. I still think it’s in poor taste to do a post so full of snark literally on the same day this man was murdered in cold blood, regardless of the angle newell was going for. I don’t think people who were offended are stupid and simply “don’t get” where the humor is coming from, and I understand this is a humor blog and not the NYT, but I still think it was a rare case of tone-deafness on the part of Wonkette. No harm, no foul, see everyone tomorrow. Also.

  • dogscantlookup

    [re=336531]hobospacejunkie[/re]: I agree and disagree with Newell, but then again I’m a Schizoaffective and a schizoid. remain calm/burn everything!

  • hobospacejunkie

    [re=336534]Homo Superior[/re]: I don’t think there was much humor in this post, intentional or otherwise. The only “mistake” Jim might have made is in not taking into account the (now) apparent fact that almost everyone here assumes that the editors intend for their every post to be humorous.

    Newell was pissed and wanted to hold up certain liberal bloggers for public ridicule for taking advantage of an actual human death to score political points. There may have been snark in the post, but it wasn’t funny snark, which I why I don’t agree it was in bad taste nor tone deaf.

    And the people who were offended, while certainly not stupid most certainly did not get where the “humor” (actually outrage) was coming from, because they kept attacking Newell for saying that liberal bloggers didn’t have the right to post about violence and its connection to right-wing politics, something >he did not say</i. He said such posting was ugly because it privileged their desire to score political points on their rivals over the actual fact of a human being murdered. I do agree with you on this, though; interesting discussion, no harm, no foul, see you tomorrow.

  • hobospacejunkie

    Oh jesus, fucking HTML tags. Sorry about that. Yes, I want it to be over, too. Also. Last paragraph should read:

    And the people who were offended, while certainly not stupid most certainly did not get where the “humor” (actually outrage) was coming from, because they kept attacking Newell for saying that liberal bloggers didn’t have the right to post about violence and its connection to right-wing politics, something he did not say. He said such posting was ugly because it privileged their desire to score political points on their rivals over the actual fact of a human being murdered. I do agree with you on this, though; interesting discussion, no harm, no foul, see you tomorrow.

  • People

    [re=336107]norbizness[/re]: Yes, where is the love? We know where the hate is. Don’t we? Don’t we?

  • Darehead

    This post is Wonkette in the Twilight Zone. Left and Right, snark, half-snark and non-snark, are all mixed up and apparently many can’t tell one from the other.

    [re=336540]hobospacejunkie[/re]: I agree except on the no harm, no foul”; there some meanies in here. I feel the sadZ reading this. Once, I remember that Jim nuked a whole post. Maybe this one should get pulverized too.

  • Lionel Hutz Esq.

    [re=336471]Cathangover[/re]: But surely you remember the episode of Free to Be You and Me about using violence to achieve blood purity.

  • Boojum

    [re=336250]Jim Newell[/re]: Nonononono! That’s a LAW ENFORCEMENT response to TERRORISM!!1!!!

    We have to immediately pass a law to let the CIA secretly use extraordinary rendition on random people standing close to the Holocaust museum in order to get the tips that we use to water board all the other terrists that were plotting to shoot up the Starbucks next door.

  • missannethrope

    OH, Jeebus help me, people, this whole thing has got me so twisted around I don’t know who to hurl my invective at anymore! So I’ll just say FUCK THE WHOLE WORLD AND EVERYTHING IN IT except puppies, kittens, and spiny echidnae!

  • bob h

    And we can expect Republicans to introduce legislation making it legal for visitors to carry concealed weapons in national museums.

  • Darehead

    [re=336559]bob h[/re]: Ummm, someone above mentioned that already, and then got beaten up by librul Wonkers who didn’t know he was being sarcastic. Like I said, this place is the Twilight Zone.

  • Pelagius

    Didn’t realize that the change in administration meant that Wonkette became a slightly funnier version of Little Green Footballs. Haha the librul lulz!

  • lada_sue

    [re=336509]biznesskommunity[/re]: That’s not at all what I asked you to do.

  • WIDTAP

    [re=336250]Jim Newell[/re]: Respect for competent law enforcement? Dude, who are you and what have you done with out beloved Jim?

  • finallyhappy

    I don’t blame the GOP- but this is not an isolated incident. The lefts show our anger by holding signs and chanting and working for a candidate who will defeat the morons on the Right. I kept seeing comments about the guy who killed the soldiers being a leftwing terrorist- why is he leftwing? Because he is black and a muslim? religious extremists are rightwing- I don’t care what the religion.

  • smartypants

    I leave for vacation, go through cynicism detox and now THIS.

    Thanks a LOT.

  • johnnypantalones

    [re=336410]Canuckledragger[/re]: Newsflash, dickface: I voted for Obama. Fuck, I used to chill with people who were an offshoot of the Panthers. I have not once in this thread or anywhere else self-identified as a rightie. I’d wager I’m more to the left than a lot of people here, I’m just not a douchebag who sees an elderly Anti-Semite shooting up the Holocaust museum as an excuse to make a cheap political point that is completely irrelevant. But hey, don’t let that stop you from claiming that I’m a right-wingnut Fox News lover because you disagree with what I’m saying.

  • gmdoll

    [re=336138]Moonbatting Average[/re]: OOOOOOHHHHH! Venn diagrams!!!

  • Crapola

    [re=336137]jagorev[/re]: Or we could yell them down with chants of “Go to Oprah” like they do on Jerry Springer.

  • peggynooner

    [re=336483]Jamie Sommers[/re]: [Muntz]Ha-hah! All that’s left is the chorus – and the trucknutz.

  • peggynooner

    [re=336137]jagorev[/re]: What’s with all these people expecting Wonkette to a smart but funny daily blog about politics? I mean, isn’t that so 2006?

  • Humble Respectable Flexible

    [re=336161]magic titty[/re]: I would describe myself as “thoroughly freaked out” by right-wing violence lately. I keep finding myself not just reading about it, but near it, talking to victims, being threatened by neo-nazis etc. Really hard to laugh when someone just threatened to kill your family.

  • ALIVE!

    [re=336215]Jim Newell[/re]: FOUR AND A HALF BLOCKS, JIM.

  • dsdrane

    The dadaism has been fun.

  • biznesskommunity

    Man the barricades! Someone find a chair for “Jim Newell.”

  • biznesskommunity

    [re=336532]dogscantlookup[/re]:

    What is a Stubintiger? A housemaid is fermented underwear.

  • octupletsmom

    [re=336318]Cicada[/re]: OMG I hear you and you folks are heroic. My kids went to school with a kid whose mom ran a PP clinic, and I got weird weird mail after dropping that kid off at his mom’s workplace one day. It was an implicit invitation to shoot or at least harass the doctor who came to do abortions–with his name, address, and foto.

    It’s hard to feel the snark if you have to cross a line of people who carefully organize to project that kind of hatred every fucking day. And damn, when I was in college, PP gave me free girl-exams and BC pills and a pregnancy test (when I wanted to be pregnant). I have warm fuzzies for PP.

    Nice talking to you; now I getz banned.

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