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PEGGY NOONAN TRUMPETS BAWDY CONCUPISCENCE TOWARD FELLOW LADYINGTON NANCY PELOSI: Word-writing human Peggington Noonington loveth Ronald Reagan much in today’s edition of her holy word-compilation, “Declarations.” But doth she loveth the visage of Nancington Pelosi the more? “At public events Mrs. Pelosi always tries to look engaged, a pleasant half-smile on her face. This is a courtesy women in their middle years unconsciously give to the world. It is precious and largely unremarked. You see it on the street in small towns.” Yet hath Peggingtonshire ever setteth foot-to-cobblestone in any hamlet smallether than New Amsterdam? [WSJ]
Cliches were thorougly molested as St Ronald restored America’s greatness. That was about what I could gather.
The statue of Reagan to whicheth she doth refer is actually comprised of electroplated macaca.
Also known as the Xanaxington effect.
It is precious and largely unremarked.
Um, Pegg Dogg? It’s “largely unremarked” because it’s largely unremarkable.
Has she ever said anything relevant about anything at all, ever?
“…..a pleasant half-smile on her face. This is a courtesy women in their middle years unconsciously give to the world.” Or a courtesy that you give, your Noonieness, when you need your diaper changed.
“Tourists walk through the Rotunda and think to themselves that they’d die for the signs and symbols of this place.”
Republicans, on the other hand, only notice the sign that says Men’s Room.
If you rearranges the letters in Noonan’s name, you get “Gag Neon Pony.” That is all.
I can’t wait to read Jon Favreau masturbating over his old boss in whatever the not-so-distant future equivalent of the WSJ will be. Wonkette, presumably.
That’s actually an interesting observation, and the only one in the article. Actually, it’s the only observation in the article. Really, I don’t remember another one, except at the end where Noonan notes that Ronald Reagan was from California. But I guess the article has meaning for Peggy, and that’s what’s important. I wish to God that I had her solipsism, it would make life easier.
rereridiculous: Rearrange, I mean. I can conjugates.
Except in Sarah Palin’s small town the faintly smiling middle aged women are running meth labs.
The Station Manager: Relevant remarks don’t take up as much column space, so…no.
Ronnie had about as many brain-waves during the last 4 years he was preznit as that statue does.
Could you translate this post, for those of us who don’t go to Renaissance fairs?
nappyduggs: Or when you’ve just farted…
The mood: mellow, proud and modest with the increased modesty of age.
The writer: clueless, erudite and goofy, with the increased goofiness of her own prose.
Seriously, people. What the hell does that even mean?
These days that half-smile means “I won’t ask you about your foreclosure if you won’t ask about mine.”
Friday is Peggy Day and it’s all well and good, but judging from the last few posts, it looks like a slow news day in DC, whereas here we have the Obama family + Roger Federer, all of them live (by which I mean: not just bronze statues).
“Tourists walk through the Rotunda and think to themselves that they’d die for the signs and symbols of this place.”
Really? Even the furriners there just to take pictures? And who the hell dies for signs and symbols? Nobody. They die for mom back home, or the girl they promised to marry, or out of fear that those would be gone. Dying for signs & symbols is a myth told by the ruling classes to themselves. They who never send their own children to die in wars anymore because they know there hasn’t been one worth fighting in decades.
“If ye had known me, ye would have known the Reagan: from henceforth ye know Regan, and have seen Reagan.” And Newell saith unto Noonie, “Lady, show us the Reagan, and it sufficeth us.” And Noonie saith unto the Ginger, “Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Ginger? he that hath seen me, the Noonie, hath seen the Reagan; how sayest thou, ‘Show us the Reagan?’ Believest thou not that I am in the Reagan, and the Reagan in me? the words that I write unto you I write not from myself: but the Reagan abiding in me, the Noonie, doeth His works. Believe me that I am in the Reagan, and the Reagan in me …”
John XIV, 7 - 10
Min: It means that she never got over her infatuation with Rod McKuen and Vachel Lindsay, or she’s indulging in her usual Friday afternoon cocktail of Seconal, Bolivia Marching Powder and Crème de menthe.
Scarab: Ronald Reagans statue as allegory for a time that never existed. Small government conservatives fap noisily at the sound of his name but honestly, he was senile when we elected him, more so when he left office, to the point he had to admit he had no idea his NSC was waging a private war out of the Vice Presidents office, selling weapons to Iran and coke to America to finance it (thus the later invasion of Panama and Grenada to round up accomplices before they sang). A few dozen raped and mutilated Catholic Nuns later Ollie North was ordered to pull the plug and the entire sordid affair disappeared under a blanket pardon.
Still, the Noonansnatch managed to suck that tiny, shriveled, bronze dick for seven our eight paragraphs in the WSJ without chipping a tooth, that’s got to count for something.
memzilla: It would be great to get Damian Hirst to create a statue of Reagan. Somehow I think it would involve a lot of formaldehyde and grave digging. Diamonds embedded in the skull would also be a nice statement on trickle down economics. Then, Hirst can sell it to some slobbering republican for $200m at the top of the market.
When my wacky grandmother Pearl reached Noonington’s level of senile wackiness, she had the good sense and taste to just keel over dead.
A courtesy women in their middle years unconsciously give to the world, eh? Vacant, absent-minded smiles are, in my family, a sign that said middle-yeared woman has gone off the deep end and has started talking to Jeebus. But sure, a gift, Peggy. A gift.
The Station Manager: Well, relevant and completely wrong. How could we ever forget “More and more this presidency is feeling like a gift,” written January 30, Two Thousand Farkin’ THREE! That was the moment I was sure she should appear in public only with a red rubber nose and huge shoes.
Did you know Sonia Sotomayor’s last name, before her divorce, was Sonia Sotomayor DE NOONAN?
True fact.
S.Luggo: Verily the Reagan has cum in her Heart that he might abide in her, and the Reagan has cum in her Mouth that her utterance should be his and his hers per omnia saecula saeculorum.
I think Wonkette is reading Noonington too much and starting to write like her. Her column was an account of the unveiling of the new Reagan statue, told with all the reality of a hallucination of Rigadoon. It certainly had a quality of erzats myth and fraudulent, newly manufactured, cultural history.
This part was a hoot:
“California, full of pioneers and originals and artists, which was open to him as he entered politics, which elevated him to two terms as governor, and which had sent the statue of its beloved son to grace our Capitol.”
California? In the mid 1960s? Really? She isn’t talking about hippies, is she?
Also, Noonington is an ageist and a sexist. Or do only women in their middle years appear to be engaged and pleasent? Are other people regularly disengaged and unpleasant? Zonked, zoned, and nasty? Well, Wonkette commenters aside, I do not think that is fair at all to engaged and pleasent non-women-of-a-certain-middle-age all around the world. And ‘middle age’ is a hoot too. Look, only in DC would these pickled fossils be described as middle age.
Dude, she is on some heavy medication, huh?
“If anyone deserves to be in Statuary Hall it is Ronald Reagan,” and if anyone deserves to be in the Statutory Hall, it’s Clinton.
Oh Peggy. Just shut up and show us your tits. Yawn.
stumpycuse: CA should have Hiram Johnson and Earl Warren. They did some good for the world. They were progressives. Happened to be liberal progressive CA Republicans. Republicans! So Peggy could not object.
And, to get Noonington’s approval, here’s the pitch we give: Whitherist has California dragged its broken money disaster ass to claim St Ronnie as its own? He belongs to the history of all times and worlds! Isitith proper to diminish his memory to a mere province? Nay.
Methinks the Peggethstress is playing with us now with her Nonsense and Insensitivity. Truly puke-tastic. But then, how else would she write?
My latest Peggybaby fantasy is that she receives some kind of award from team Obama late in his 2nd term. The room is filled with young African-American children singing in their most proper Cambridge English “Soon I will be done with the troubles of the Lord.”
Nancy Pelosi may have that half-smile on her face but inside she’s planning to beat the ever-living hell out of Eric Cantor. And she’s anything like my grandmother was, she do it with a full smile…
HOLY CRAP!! IS THAT AN ENGAGED, PLEASANT HALF-SMILE ON THAT MIDDLE-AGED WOMAN’S FACE??? I MUST REMARK UPON IT!!! THAT JUST MAKES ME HARD!!!!
x111e7thst: Eh? He missed and she got it all over her face.
(i)There was a feeling of well-wishing toward President Obama—it is a difficult world he faces—but concern as to his decisions and direction. Does he understand, fully, all that is at stake in his new approaches to the Arab world? Are we spending ourselves into bankruptcy? Will California’s government be the first terrible test case of the new era?(\i)
When California goes down, it will clearly be Obama’s fault. He was in the Middle East when he could have been in Sacramento, solving the bitter longstanding enmity of two peoples who must share the same homeland.
I have a half-smile on my face because it is 7:40 PM on a Friday night and Wonkette hasn’t yet turned into Cinemax After Dark for the weekend.
As for New Amsterdam, Peggy, I’d step on the brake to get out of your clutches any day.
…oh Peggy how missed thee! How did I ever go so long without those transient ischemic inducing columns?!
The only thing I learned from that column was that each states can have 2 statues in the Capitol. I think I’ll start a petition to have Pennsylvania replace one of their old ones with a bronze of Alan T Panda.
Whateth the fucketh is this about?
If my hansom happened to run over la Nooningtan’s ankle on my way to Mrs. Astor’s spacious ballroom, sorry biotch!
And my thoughts were on Mrs. Reagan, whose contribution had been summed up by James Baker. Looking back, she made it all possible. Without her there was no him.
A glowing recommendation! And from James Baker, guardian of the democratic free world, no less.
Dame Peggington Nooninghamshire sounds like what she really wants is hawt seks with the Bitch from Barbary on the Bay
“How lucky was I to walk into history when Ronald Reagan was in the room?”
I, too, felt a wave a gratitude to be alive to see Regan, dead, lying in state.
“My thoughts too were on California, the Golden State, where he’d come to full adulthood…”
Gross. Just, gah - uncomfortable.
Country Club Jihadi: So . . . what are you wearing?
Pegs lifts all her words from Shakespeare:
“Now old desire doth in his death-bed lie,
And young affection gapes to be his heir;
That fair for which love groan’d for and would die,
With tender Laura match’d, is now not fair.
Now Dubya is beloved and loves again,
Alike betwitched by the charm of looks,
But to his foe supposed he must complain,
And she steal love’s sweet bait from fearful hooks:
Being held a foe, he may not have access
To breathe such vows as lovers use to swear;
And she as much in love, her means much less
To meet her new-beloved any where:
But passion lends them power, time means, to meet
Tempering extremities with extreme sweet.”
See what I mean???!!! (Old “Wall Street Journal” article penned by Peggyton Noonington - I swear!)
Pegs lifts all her words from Shakespeare! Caught red handed from an old “Wall Street Journal” article. If the style matches then I says Peggington is GUILTY!
“Now old desire doth in his death-bed lie,
And young affection gapes to be his heir;
That fair for which love groan’d for and would die,
With tender Laura match’d, is now not fair.
Now Dubya is beloved and loves again,
Alike betwitched by the charm of looks,
But to his foe supposed he must complain,
And she steal love’s sweet bait from fearful hooks:
Being held a foe, he may not have access
To breathe such vows as lovers use to swear;
And she as much in love, her means much less
To meet her new-beloved any where:
But passion lends them power, time means, to meet
Tempering extremities with extreme sweet.”
I thought the half-smile was the valium.
Monsieur Grumpe: bwahahaaa! good one.
“BANGKOK – Police are speculating that accidental suffocation, not suicide, may have caused the death of American cult actor David Carradine, whose body was found in a hotel closet in the Thai capital with a rope tied to his neck, wrist and genitals.”
Mommy, why?
I was going to add this to the “Healthy Heterosexual Fun In Adams Morgan” and type it was “Un-Healthy Heterosexual Fun In Bangkok” but can’t get the comment section to open right…
I think this is a fate worse than death itself… My GAWD! You’d think they’d leave off the part about the rope tied around the genitals for public consumption. Maybe Miss Peggyton can make it all pretty?
Oh my GAWD! A friend just sent me a link to auto-erotic asphyxiation and it is SO COMMON they use the acronym “AEA” for it?!!? I’m embarassed, and NOTHING embarrasses me, dammit!
I read this and just couldn’t believe it:
“It’s estimated that between 500 and 1000 deaths occur annually in the United States from this dangerous type of masturbation.”
LAWD HAVE MERCY!
Hey, it’s Friday night & there aren’t already 200 posts!! I can actually get through these (if I squint my left eye because I’ve been drinking). Thank you, Wonkette overlords, for the purge (however ugly it might have been).
You see it on the street in small towns.
Peggy, when you find all the elderly women in a small town half-smiling at you, it means they’re about to sacrifice the latest stranger to the harvest god.
GaySailor: Here is what makes me sad. There is so much sex with other people to be had in Bangkok. Hetero, homo, and a bunch of stuff thats kind of in between. And a lot of it is free!!! Why did David choose to enter a hotel closet all alone and wind a rope etc. etc.
Off topic…
What the hell happened to the comment of the day? That didn’t last very long.
GaySailor: Peg probably wishes that he had used an antique, French, tasseled drapery tie-back, delicately placed around the gonads like the bacon-wrapped petite filet mignon she had for dinner this evening. Curtain cord is so gauche after all. If only Emily Post had a section on AEA in the latest Etiquette book, one’s departure into the hereafter might be much more dignified.
This is my favorite part: “Mrs. Reagan looked up at the statue, leaned forward, patted the right knee, and wiped her eyes.”
Since Nancy supposedly gave the best blow jobs in Hollywood, and that’s apparently how she stole ol’ Ronnie from that lefty Jane Wyman, I’m guessing she’s looked up at his knee with her eyes watering quite a few times.
The Station Manager: No, so far as I know Pelosi has never said anything relevant, but that’s really the point, see? Noonington hopes for another McReagan to restore America to “itself,” which is to say, to its mid-century slough of media mawkishness brought on by “normalcy.” I, on the other hand, hope for Nooners to be hate-fucked by the ghost of H. L. Mencken.
And that’s what Wonkette is for.
x111e7thst: I don’t think he was necessarily alone. At least, I’m assuming that the hooker would have fled the scene.
It’s actually a shame that La Pegga had to speak to a congressman who was a moron — probably Ken Calvert, who said he masturbated to photos of Reagan when he was a boy — because Thomas Staff King really was somebody.
He didn’t just keep California in the Union. He was credited as the pastor who “saved the Union,” because he raised tens of millions of dollars (a large sum in those days) that was sent East to pay the Union Army and outfit it.
He also kept California from splitting into two states, but we won’t hold that against him.
As with so many lesser known people, he actually accomplished more than Ronald Reagan.
peeno nwar: Not Mencken. The only real justice for Noonan will be when the Zombie Apocalypse finally arrives, and her brain will serve as nourishment for Zombie Ronald Reagan.
CaliforniaMike: how can you tell Zombie Ronald Reagan from the Real one?
AnnieGetYourFun: \
They grow old, they grow old,
They use their tampons rolled
windupbird: “My thoughts too were on California, the Golden State, where he’d come to full adulthood…”
Gazing at a corset ad in the Sears Roebuck catalogue.
Mister Goldberg! What surprised you the most about the reception the world had to your opus: “Liberal Fascism?”
Actual fucking quote I am not making this up: One surprise, for want of a better word, was that I didn’t get more stuff wrong.
…
…
Brain implodes. Brain implodes so hard that the shockwaves are felt 3 universes away.
Christ, she couldn’t get through one hagiography of Reagan without expressing doubts about our current president, who is over in France right now representing the US at the anniversary of D-Day.
“Does he understand, fully, all that is at stake in his new approaches to the Arab world?” Well, he understands it ain’t the ol’ Dubya Bush “kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out” approach, and that’s a good fucking start.
Cram it up your cramhole, Pegs.
dijetlo:
“A few dozen raped and mutilated [and nurdered]
Catholic [socilaist] nuns later, Ollie North was ordered to pull the plug.”
From which manly-man orifice?
No matter. It was all done to save the US of America from the foreign, Latino threat.
And we are safer because of that.
bago: Oh God. I’m sitting here skimming it and seeing it’s as unbearably smug and stupid and whiny as I imagined it would be … and then I get to what I think is the end, and I realize: there’s three full pages of this.
Three pages of Jonah Goldberg literally doing nothing but alternately extolling his own greatness and bawling about how mean people are to him. It’s a mystery how this magazine has never turned a profit.
Tra: Wait, this isn’t the National Review post. How did we end up here? How drunk am I?
Come here a minute: No. It was elephant doses of Aricept.
— That night there was a candlelit dinner in Statuary Hall. I had finished my first bottle of Romilar CF. Mrs. Reagan then told me of being in the Rotunda again, after five years. ‘That was hard,’ she said in a soft voice. … There was a lot of happiness at the dinner, but a lot of concern among the white people expressed, privately, about the economy, stealing from the poor and security in South African diamonds. There was a feeling of well-wishing toward President Obama by the servants—it is a difficult world he faces—but concern by the RNC as to his decisions and direction. “Does his nappy head understand, fully, as fully as a Negro can, all that is at stake in his new approaches to the Arab world?”
“No,” I whispered to Nancy as she sipped her third Rob Roy. “He wants to kill all the Christian babies.” —
The pleasant half smile of women in their middle years - and statues.
19kevin8: That kind of linear thinking is STRENG VERBOTEN now.
stumpycuse: Zombie Ron is smarter and his hair is a color found in nature.
CaliforniaMike: Zombie Reagan is already with us. He eated John McCain’s brain about, oh, 4-5 years ago. That’s how he created Zombie McCain, and everything that unfolded last year.
The Zombie Apocalypse will not begin with a bang, as so many expect, but by stealth. And it already has.
Today I turned on FoxNews (since I tell all my winger friends I watch ‘everything’ besides MSNBC, the Lesbian News Channel). I tried! I could only take 2 minutes of it. The stupid is too much and too powerful. They are going fucking ape-shit over Sotomayor and Barrys middle-east trip. I can’t wait until Sunday to ask Our Heavenly Lord for forgiveness. Jesus, I’m sorry I fantasize shoving Steve Doocy, Gretchen Carlson and Brian Kilmeade face first into a wood chipper then force feeding their chunky blood chum to their families. The madness must stop sheeple.
What amazes is how the old trollope writes every sentence as if the reader is dying to know whether she approves. She’s the real-life rendition of the Most Interesting Man in the World who “lives vicariously through himself.” (when did advertising get Nabakovian?) This has to be the accelerated light at the extreme edge of the Narcissist universe — how many light-years old is Noonertush anyway?
Actually, you’ve got to hand it to Peggy Noonan - bless her heart - “the pleasant half smile of women in their middle years” is the sweetest description of Nancy Pelosi’s permanent, horrifying, frozen leer of evil old woman zombie death that I have ever heard.
Sorry, Riley, I’m not going to log in a 2nd time to leave funny comments (or what pass for such around here)on your pretty blue page.
You can tell Ken, Jim and Sarah from me that they are dicks, except for Sarah, because she’s a girl.
lawrenceofthedesert: 58
dude, i took her to Georgetown like last week.
Ron stole school lunch money from poor kids and gave it bankers. Peggy pines for the old days when all a man need do was sacrifice a small child to achieve greatness.
In 1980 America entered an alternate universe where it was raped and looted by space lizard sleazeoids.
As it emergeth the Pegilty thing lamenteth.
kapish: Correcteth. When willst someoneneth sticketh a socketh inneth hereth moutheth?
rereridiculous:
Other runners up include “Gonna Gyp One”, “Gong Nay Nope”, “Nag ‘N Go Pony”, and “An Egg No Pony”.
Here’s the translation: !Hijoeputa! !La dama Nunez es totalamente loca y sinverguenza!
bago: Why are you shocked? “The entire stupid fucking book” only counts as one thing.
lawrenceofthedesert: exactly… its so narcissistic she belongs in therapy.
I am working on a “gaming site” - togagames.com and one of the first games we are going to create is “beat Peggy Noonan with a stick to keep her from writing for the Wall Street Journal.”
Country Club Jihadi: Wow, written as if Pegs had written it herself! That is exactly how she would have described it and made it “pretty” LOL!
El Pinche: That is indeed a grave sin.
You should be fantasizing about putting them in feet-first, that way they’ll be alive for more of it.
gurukalehuru: All you need do is replace ‘wonkabout’ with ‘wonkette’ in the wonkabout URL and you’ll be automatically signed in. And since much of what he writes is quickly becoming must-read, it’s worth it to be able to cooment on (gratuitously abuse) Riley’s offerings.
gurukalehuru: Thanks! It’s not easy to get to that distant point in the Narcissism Universe in only 58 light years; she must be burning some jolly fuel.
Godot: what was I thinking!? You’re right! Wait. No Jesus! I’m sorry!
But that half smile, isn’t it intriguing? Does it belie a mystery that you must solve? Is she, as TMZ puts it, a SHILF? C’mon, you know you want to watch a trifecta with Queen Peggington, the SHILF and an overweight tourist from Bayonne. The end of days is nigh.
“a pleasant half-smile on their face.”
It’s called Valium Peggy. I know you know what I’m talking about.
Wow, there are less than 100 posts on a Saturday afternoon. Czar Ken and Komrad KJim (silent K..sssshhh) have sealed the gulags and have annihilated all pro-capitalist discussions of cats [slow clap]
I lived a long way away when Reagan was president, but my impression has always been that he didn’t actually fix anything, he just made people feel better about ignoring what was broken.
x111e7thst: (OT and cut and pasted from a lower thread. So, sue me) Well, it was certainly a false flag operation, in my opinion. I think Larry Silverstein was involved, just for the insurance money. 5 billion dollars is a hell of an incentive. Cheney had to have been involved, and Marvin Bush. There you have the owner of the complex, the head of security and the Vice President, who really had total power. It would have taken, I guess, 30-40 reasonably athletic men a couple of days to plant the explosives, and I doubt that it would be hard, within the CIA, to recruit that many right wing fanatics who believed, in all sincerity, that this was what America needed.
I don’t have details, only theories. In fact, it would be hard to have details since the investigation was so secretive and selective. (Not a single question was ever asked about building 7)
I don’t know whether or not Al-Qaeda was involved, but I suspect they might be the Lee Harvey Oswald of this game. Participants, whose major role was to play the guilty party. (After all, the planes DID crash into the buildings)
The way I see it, once you have M+M+O, that is motive, means and opportunity, you have a suspect. Between Dick Cheney, Marvin Bush and Larry Silverstein they had that.
The funniest thing I remember about Ms. P. Noonington was years ago when Andrew Sullivan cunningly renamed her book “What I saw at the Revolution” something like “What I saw gazing at my navel.” We dated when he was Marty’s boy at TNR, and he was very funny in those days. Now, not so much.
Lame statue. All statues of Reagan should include a horse or a monkey.
If I wanted to get my picture taken with the statue and a cute little stuffed Bonzo hung around the Gipper’s neck, do you think the guards would give me a beat down?
dijetlo: This, sir, is the reason I stop by this blog several times a week. ftw.
gurukalehuru:
This is what I know directly:
a. Materials analysis does not show any signs of explosive use in any of the WTC towers.
b. The chain of custody for the materials in question was not compromised.
c. The techniques employed to select materials for testing were statistically valid and conformed to industry best practices.
On August 21, 2008, NIST released its draft report on the causes of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center. Have you read it?
http://wtc.nist.gov/
(Though their server is currently down.)
As far as I can tell what seems to be true - 2 big planes hit 2 big buildings and the buildings burned and fell down, causing a third, smaller building, to also fall down - is in fact true.
I have no personal knowledge of who flew the planes into the buildings or why. Nor of what happened In DC or Pennsylvania.
You put a lot more faith in government reports than I do.
Also, WTC 7 was a shorter building, but I’m not sure if it was a smaller one. It was not a tower. That’s why its collapse, so similar to the other two, is particularly suspicious.
In funnier news, Newt Gingrich has declared war on Pagans.
x111e7thst: It depends on the report. This one yes.
To be more specific. A B and C in my comment above. I could testify to their accuracy in a court of law. It would not be hearsay.
Other government reports not so much.
We should probably just agree to disagree.
gurukalehuru: Allow me to paste my reply to you from the earlier post:
Allow me to be the first to greet your 9/11 conspiracy theory with a resounding FUCK YOU.
Please, do the world a favor, and get the fuck off the Wonkette board with your conspiracy bullshit.
Before you go, however, please allow me to refute a couple of your “theories”:
“It would have taken, I guess, 30-40 reasonably athletic men a couple of days to plant the explosives, and I doubt that it would be hard, within the CIA, to recruit that many right wing fanatics who believed, in all sincerity, that this was what America needed.”
You do understand that demolition explosives have to be placed on structural beams, right? Structural beams in completed buildings are not accessible. They are behind drywall, support walls, fire-proof brick, etc. There is no way a crew could come in and “place explosives” without tearing apart the entire building to do so. But don’t let reality stop you from constructing your NWO fantasies.
“(Not a single question was ever asked about building 7)”
This is not even remotely true. Are you lying intentionally, or really this ignorant?
“I don’t have details, only theories.”
Yeah, we noticed. As someone who witnessed the horror of 9/11 up close and in-person, please take this opportunity to go fuck yourself.
The Reagan legacy project is well on its way to getting his face on Mt. Rushmore–Ms. Noonan will be camping in the left nostril.
gurukalehuru:Complex conspiracies always break apart on the rocks of human nature, the only way two men can keep a secret is if one of them is dead.
gurukalehuru: The whole WTC 7 aspect (like the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory) is based on half-truths, bad science and extrapolations from quotes taken out of context. Read this http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm .
Then stay away from shoddy thinking. It could lead to evil things like religion.
dijetlo: That’s just silly. Plenty of secrets get kept.
you will agree that I am not by any means a wild eyed conspiracy theorist.
SayItWithWookies: If you look at my original respose to guruk. (x111e7thst
That said - it is impossible to competely discount the possibility that parts of the US Intelligence Community might have had some prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks. To put it another way - maybe the dots were not connected due to bungling, bureucratic inertia and a lack of interest at the very top. Or maybe people were working to ensure that these dots should not be connected. I think this latter arguement will end up being like the debate about whether FDR knew beforehand of the Japanese intention to attack Pearl Harbor.
x111e7thst: There’s a corollary to Occam’s Razor that goes something like “Never attribute to conspiracy that which can be explained by stupidity.” While the theory that the Dubya administration knew of 9/11 and abetted it by inaction, there’s no evidence that this is so. And honestly I don’t think there is any to uncover.
When they took office, Dick was busy getting his friends in the oil industry to rewrite America’s energy policy and Dubya was saber-rattling at China and North Korea and pushing for missile defense between bouts of brush clearing. They had no interest in terrorism because it wasn’t sexy and looked like hard work.
They did a crappy job trying to cover up the constant stream of warnings that something was going to happen, but that was after the fact. If they had known about it beforehand, there wouldn’t have been such a constant stream of warnings. They had some idiots in the administration, but I don’t think any of ‘em were dumb enough to supply evidence against themselves in advance. Maybe Gonzales was that stupid, come to think of it — but he only does what he’s told.
It would take a person for more educated than me, in several fields of inquiry, to adequately evaluate the findings of the 911 commission, or indeed, many facets of what we may park under the rubric “conspiracy theory.” At some point most of us have to decide to take someone’s word for it. I can’t say I blame people for not trusting the US America government, though that should not be used as an excuse to ignore facts. I do take exception to the “I was there, shutup” mode of shutting down any discussion of the events of that day. Having “witnessed the horror” does not give one any special insight into the events of September 11, 2001.
hobospacejunkie: Forgive me for my intolerance of 9/11 “truthers.” After watching people leap to their deaths in Manhattan, hearing people blame these events on a hidden-hands fills me with rage. I was looking for an excerpt from the great book “The 5 Unanswered Questions About 9/11″ by Village Voice writer James Ridgeway to share, but after thumbing through my copy I couldn’t find it. Here’s something from a writer at Yale that makes the same point:
“According to University of Manchester Psychology Professor Cary Cooper, as quoted in the BBC, people come up with conspiracy theories in order to cope with the fear of random, unpredictable violence or death. If fanatical individuals armed only with box-cutters can kill thousands in the heart of the world’s most powerful country, it seems that no one can ever be truly safe anywhere. Shifting the blame from individuals to an organized, rational conspiracy executed with the knowledge of secret, supremely powerful global forces restores a sense of security: Violence isn’t random and irrational after all.”
My problem with “truthers” is that their conspiracy bullshit takes much-needed attention away from those ultimately responsible for the crime: Religious zealots, and a profoundly incompetent government. In my mind, pointing to hidden-hands and highest-levels-of-the-government NWO conspirators is an insult to those who died.
More from the Yale article:
“It is disappointing (…) that Yale students, as intellectuals, would have so little insight into human nature and would choose to believe conspiracy theories while eschewing evidence. It is also dangerous. The politics of conspiracy promote an unrealistic view of political affairs. Instead of attributing politics to the complex interaction of social forces and individual actors, the conspiratorial thinker—unable to cope with the fear of chaos and uncertainty—views politics as controlled by a secret force…. It is quite human to come up with conspiracy theories in order to help cope with fear, and these theories can often provide some entertainment value, but if we let them take over our serious political discourse, the consequences will surely be grave.”
I nominate this entire WTC conspiracy thread as multiple Win of the Afternoon…for me to poop on.
If ever a woman missed out on any first-rate fucking as a twenty-year-old….
Wow. Powerful stuff.
As for the whole WTC thing, I agree that Occam’s Razor should help us here: the simplest explanation is probably the closest to whatever “truth” there is about it…
SayItWithWookies: The quote is “Never attribute to malice what you can blame on stupidity.”
The idea is that malice (intentional wrongdoing) is more complicated, and thus less probable, than plain old stupidity.
Oh, and I forgot to mention: I’m responsible for 9/11 and the WTC.
It was the usual problem: California’s lunatic anti-gun lobby was about to outlaw private ownership of tactical nuclear warheads. So I just had to run out and buy an surplus W54 SADM (Special Atomic Demolition Munition). You know, the warhead from the old “Davy Crockett” nuclear bazooka?
And . . . well . . . once you bought the thing, you want to see if it works, right? The only question was where to set it off.
The choice was irradiating more innocent prairie dogs, or killing a couple of thousand New Yorkers.
Tough call. Took about 5 nanoseconds to decide.
But do you know how long it took to coordinate the blast with the impacts from those poor, innocently off-course airliners?
Apropos of nothing, and strictly for the lulz, I offer you all the geriatric Twitterings of Sen. Chuck Grassley (Senile-IA):
http://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley
Pres Obama while u sightseeing in Paris u said ‘time to delivr on healthcare’ When you are a “hammer” u think evrything is NAIL I’m no NAIL
Pres Obama you got nerve while u sightseeing in Paris to tell us”time to deliver” on health care. We still on skedul/even workinWKEND.
Chr Bernanke I fear for monetizing our debt U become very close to Treasury Comfort America worried abt hyperinflation Reafirm ACCORD of1951
Reagan Grassley born 230am 4th great grandchild of mine and Barb. Father St Rep Pat Grassley 7lb 12oz
President Beeblebrox: “Reagan” Grassley?? Poor kid! I wouldn’t put that handle on a cup…
hoosiermama: The Reagan Legacy was evinced in the Old Man of the Mountain, but the face fell off. Too much orange hair gel and trickle down.
Countess Noonie wept among the rubble as she asked for another refill of her vodka Stinger.
What the fuck why are there 9-11 conspriacy posts on my Wonkette
Also: I thought the new rule was Stay On Topic. This thread is all about Peggy Noonan. So unless you think she did 9-11 (”The 9-11 Commission didn’t ask one question about Peggy Noonan! COINCIDENCE? OR COVERUP?!!!!”) then shut the fuck up.
Pilate: Simple. It’s because Sotomayor ruled that construction at the WTC site can’t be done by white firemen from New Haven. Fiery latina cement pourers, welders, and hod carriers are to be preferred. The more fierery, the damn better. But, they must have had at least one illegal abortion and enjoyed it.
Pilate: I didn’t notice even one 9-11 conspriacy post. Not sure what you’re even talking about.
President Beeblebrox: Grassley should let the big boys work on health care. He apparently needs to focus on birth control. Four great-grandchildren? That’s just littering the planet. He’d do better to STFU rather than continue embarrassing himself via Twitter.
Pilate: Stay on topic? On the weekend? That would be totally unwonkettelike.
And is conspriacy like conspriapism?
Neilist: do you need a nudge over the edge? … or are you there?
Pilate: Everything’s a conspiracy WHEN YOU GO OUT LOOKING FOR ONE
S.Luggo: except Tito the Builder. that coconut mutherfucker can continue to collect unemployment.
S.Luggo: “Ms. Nooner was overheard muttering plaintively, ‘oh daddy…’ over and over before she tripped over President Reagan’s forelock.”
Mr Blifil: Sure — that’s what they want you to think.