MISS CALIFORNIA  3:13 am May 17, 2009

Obama’s Warlock Wants To Name New White House Mongrel ‘Miss California’

by Ken Layne


Those who listen to the elitist Chicago street organizer public-radio program Wait Wait … Don’t Tell Me got a special treat this weekend, as Barack Obama’s personal Rasputin, David Axelrod, appeared on the show to describe how much this Socialist White House hates our nation’s fake-breasted gay-hating soft-porn models. [NewsPoliticsNews/NPR]

 

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Mr Blifil May 17, 2009 at 3:53 am

Ahaa! Without NPR whence would come the comedy?

Uncle Glenny May 17, 2009 at 3:55 am

[re=318733]Mr Blifil[/re]: The Republican National Committee?

Bruno May 17, 2009 at 4:51 am

What’s up with the laugh track? It’s like I’m watching some episode of Happy Days with where the dad has a really big ‘stache (he must be hiding something – possibly a muslin terrorist)

schvitzatura May 17, 2009 at 4:58 am

Shanna Moakler has a seat at the table for the newly-established White House Special Executive Office of Pageants of Feminine Pulchritude.

D. Trump’s Flock of Seagulls hairpiece will press conference on Monday to defend Miss Prejean.

Bruno May 17, 2009 at 5:13 am

Off topic, but its the weekend….

New NASA administrator?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124236939014623205.html

Is he black enough or too black, I can never remember which pisses off the GOP Base more?

the lady MS.Sheila Dixon May 17, 2009 at 6:25 am

[re=318737]Bruno[/re]: where have all these smart, accomplished, black men been hiding? I am soooo moving to D.C.

NewSpence May 17, 2009 at 6:34 am

[re=318735]Bruno[/re]: It’s not a laugh track. It’s. um, people in the audience laughing. And thinking to themselves “hehe… he just called her a bitch. But I’d still give her one.”

the lady MS.Sheila Dixon May 17, 2009 at 6:41 am

[re=318737]Bruno[/re]: i saw that story the other day and I just assumed it was Neil Tyson from the Brooklyn Space Museum.

the lady MS.Sheila Dixon May 17, 2009 at 6:48 am

she fought off the wiles of Satan. What mythical entity have you wimps defeated lately? hmmmmm?

4tehlulz May 17, 2009 at 7:33 am

ZOMG TEH OBMA MACHINE IS TEH SEXIST

/PUMA

Doglessliberal May 17, 2009 at 8:11 am

[re=318739]NewSpence[/re]: Very much not a laugh track. We actually went to a live taping for a show in DC with David Brooks and EJ Dionne as the guests. It was pee your pants funny, especially the bits they don’t play on the radio.

The Wait Wait archives probably have the show where Hopey was on when he was a Senator. He was really smooth (of course) and funny.

cheeto_jeebus May 17, 2009 at 8:50 am

ruh roh !

Cape Clod May 17, 2009 at 9:35 am

It was on this same show that Dana Perino admitted that she knew nothing about the Cuban missile crisis. Whatever meager credibility she had before that point vanished.

MortSinclair May 17, 2009 at 9:50 am

I truly wish the Republicans could keep rolling out kooks like Miss California. Yes, sir, keep the talking embalmed front and center on the kable nooz nets.

Texan Bulldoggette May 17, 2009 at 9:55 am

Lord, did David just call Princess Carrie a dog in lipstick? Bible Spice is furiously whipping up her retort right now–as soon as she sharpens her crayon.

Canmon (the Inadequate) May 17, 2009 at 10:18 am

As long as topless pictures of Obama keep showing up, I don’t think he has to worry.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 11:07 am

Tell you what Dave, you made the choice to be a political advisor to the President, so that means even when you really, really want to tell a snarky funny joke – YOU DON’T. Because you are representing the President even when you take a shit. And believe me, people are watching when you take a shit. Let the lowlifes (like myself) tackle the big issues, like making fun of chicks with fake tits and hand-me-down ambitions, who could only bring warmth into this frigid world if they were tossed into a woodstove.

I’ll be back when I’ve had a cup of joe.

Neilist May 17, 2009 at 11:11 am

Personally, all I could think of was “Doggy Style.”

Woof!

No, wait! I meant “Mooo-Woof!”

And if it was sex with Benazir Bhutto, it would be “New Delhi Style” . . . but she’s STILL DEAD!

jagorev May 17, 2009 at 11:11 am

I was listening to Wait, Wait Don’t Tell Me… yesterday, and I was wondering if anybody would be venal and trivial enough to turn this harmless little joke into an “issue”.

The answer, obviously, is Matt Drudge and the New York Times.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 11:17 am

[re=318739]NewSpence[/re]: Bo’s a male. That’s a dog, not a bitch.

ultra_maroon May 17, 2009 at 11:21 am

I went to the taping and thus I’m at least partially responsible for the Happy Days-esque laugh track.

Axelrod was pretty funny and they only broadcast about half of his conversation. Also not on the broadcast was a five minute digression by Mo Rocca about “lady wallabies makin’ love.” Apparently too hot for NPR.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 11:28 am

[re=318761]jagorev[/re]: It’s a no-brainer. And anyone who doesn’t understand that doesn’t understand human nature, or doesn’t think it’s an important factor in any political decision (ya think??), either of which should dissqualify them from any position of leadership. Do I sound pissed? I am. The White House just had 8 years of a retarded clown and we’re continuiing to devolve at warp speed. Maybe it’s too much to hope for another Camelot, but do we really need another Confederacy of Dunces?

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 11:39 am

[re=318767]Custerwolf[/re]: It’s the echo chamber effect I think. It used to happen to Repukes when they went on Limpaughs show. They would feel surrounded by love and understanding, cheetos and jizz and they would say stuff. And everyone would laff and then they would say more stuff.

So Axelboy goes on the NPR, and right from the greenroom inhales the wonderful aromas of Chardonnay and unconditional acceptance, and dumb ass shit just starts to tumble out his mo

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 11:42 am

[re=318761]jagorev[/re]: “harmless little joke’
Context is everything.
The last “harmless” joke we had just left office in January. He should have gotten the hook way back when he was governor.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 11:44 am

[re=318770]x111e7thst[/re]: I understand the urge all too well, believe me. Many is the morning I’ve woken up after one of those all-nighters with my bad decision still lying next to me.

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 11:54 am

[re=318773]Custerwolf[/re]: A reason to prefer stimulants I suppose. Less regretfilled walks of shame. But less sex. Also.

LittlePig May 17, 2009 at 11:56 am

Having lost the carelessly topless demographic, Mr. Axelrod must take the only honorable choice.

Give them to me!

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 12:01 pm

[re=318774]x111e7thst[/re]: To this day, sex and lusty men are the strongest associations my brain makes whenever I smell alcohol.

katrina May 17, 2009 at 12:07 pm

D-Axe FTW.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 12:11 pm

[re=318738]the lady MS.Sheila Dixon[/re]: You could also try expanding your horizons by experimenting with new colors.

Turd Way May 17, 2009 at 12:20 pm

Obama and his socialist friends are all having a good laugh at the expense of Real America again. Remember when Hugo Chavez claimed that decadent women in southern California were buying their daughters boob jobs for their sixteenth birthdays? If these people don’t like inflated balloon-like silicon “breasts” then they must like cock, which explains why they hate Miss California even more. Oh, and miss California’s mother didn’t buy her lucky, privileged daughter fake boobs, she had to earned them through hard work, big difference. Maybe a lesson Orange Country housewives can impart to their sixteen-year-old daughters when it’s time for that first job and big boobs.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 12:31 pm

[re=318779]Turd Way[/re]: Actually, I believe the trend is more towards saline implants, which impart a more life-like look and feel. The unfortunate downside to that is they emphasize the artificiality of the dumb bitch who’s carrying them around on her chest.

hobospacejunkie May 17, 2009 at 12:38 pm

Not being an NPR kind of guy, I had never heard of this show until today. No wonder our far-right preservers of morality want to make public radio & teevee pay their own way, with filthy communist trash like this polluting our airwaves. Let’s see how much airtime FOX & CNN devote to this in their duel to pay attention to the wingtards in inverse proportion to their popularity among the electorate.

Joshua Norton May 17, 2009 at 12:42 pm

“she had to earned them through hard work,”

Nuh-uh. She got them for free from the Miss USA California committee. Although now that I think of it, “hard” work might have still been involved. And she had terrible hand cramps for 3 days afterwards.

Adolf Bachmann May 17, 2009 at 12:50 pm

The only problem with Axelrod’s attempted zinger is that it conflates topicality with actual humor. His reference is topical, yes, but not funny. Funny is the look on Carrie BleachBlond’s face as she tries to stammer out a prepared statement against gay marriage without creasing the taut orange skin of her vacant visage.

hobospacejunkie May 17, 2009 at 12:53 pm

[re=318780]Custerwolf[/re]: I believe the trend is more towards saline implants, which impart a more life-like look and feel. The unfortunate downside to that is they emphasize the artificiality…

Now which is it? They either impart a more life-like look & feel or they emphasize the artificiality of the woman. I’d like to believe both are possible, but you’re gonna have to help me understand this if they are.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 12:58 pm

[re=318782]Joshua Norton[/re]: Well, you see the way it works is this: since beauty pageants are still a woman’s best shot at a career in politics or “news” reporting, the committee wished only to boost Ms. Precreamedjeans chances for success, thus helping to ease our country’s economic sadness. And since L’oreal generously provided her hair color, Crest provided her whitened teeth, and her folks provided her dearth of intellectual curiosity, it was only fair that the pageant folks provide filler for her embarrassing chest cavity.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 1:01 pm

[re=318784]hobospacejunkie[/re]: You know how some women are so phony they’re genuine? It’s kind of like that.

Turd Way May 17, 2009 at 1:08 pm

[re=318782]Joshua Norton[/re]: Is that true?

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 1:10 pm

[re=318787]Custerwolf[/re]: Let me put it this way….
http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo336/brontie2/morganna-1.jpg

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 1:10 pm

[re=318788]Turd Way[/re]: Very.

Lionel Hutz Esq. May 17, 2009 at 1:11 pm

So, let me get this straight, Axelrod is saying that Obama is looking for a blond white women to be his bitch?

hobospacejunkie May 17, 2009 at 1:14 pm

[re=318787]Custerwolf[/re]: I will take your word for it, madam. And now I’m off for a snooze and sweet, sweet dreams of satan.

Idle hands are the devil’s playthings
The devil’s playthings, the devil’s playthings
Idle hands are the devil’s playthings
The devil lives deep down…

Joshua Norton May 17, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Joshua Norton May 17, 2009 at 1:53 pm

Here’s a picture of Before and After.

http://www.theimproper.com/Template_Article.aspx?IssueId=13&ArticleId=3476

I can has fake tits plz?

gurukalehuru May 17, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Axelrod fucked up. That was not cool.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 2:01 pm

And if I’ve offended any women here who’ve gone saline – whatever it was that I just got off my chest, you’re welcome to put it on yours.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 2:11 pm

You know I can understand a man’s desire to have a nice large set of tits to roll around and squish and knead and fuck and whatnot, but what I can’t understand is why a woman would therefore feel the need to have those things surgically implanted in her body. Why not just get a fake set of strap-ons for the sexytime? You don’t see me asking my boyfriend to have a gargantuan dildo surgically attached to his groin. Of course in his case that would mean downsizing, but you get my point.

gurukalehuru May 17, 2009 at 2:31 pm

I would like to hear if anybody has any comments on how the Rumsfeld dod daily Presidential briefings looked like The Watchtower except with tanks and people getting blown up and shit

Bruno May 17, 2009 at 2:38 pm

[re=318802]gurukalehuru[/re]: I’ve said it repeatedly, but these Jeebus lubbers need to listen. If you’re going to quote the bible, please give me a page reference. Rumsfeld’s crusaide make no sense unless you tell me it is on page 39 of the bible

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 2:41 pm

[re=318802]gurukalehuru[/re]: FUCKED UP. FUCKED UP. FUCKED UP. FCUKED UP. FUCKED. FUCKED UP. FUCKED UP. FUCKED UP. FUCKED UP. FUCKED UP. FUCKED UP. FUCKED UP…..ad infinitim.
One thing you can say about that prick – he had keen insight in matters regarding human nature, as do all the best manipulators.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 2:45 pm

[re=318804]Bruno[/re]: The bible is simply a reference book which provides in parable form whatever justification or rationalization one needs to suppress one’s fears and shore up one’s self-righteousness and bigotry. I love the feel of those pages though. So lacy and crisp.

Bruno May 17, 2009 at 2:53 pm

[re=318806]Custerwolf[/re]: So basically Nostradamus but with more words and authority?

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 2:58 pm

[re=318807]Bruno[/re]: No. Nostradamus only told folks would might happen not what should.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 3:02 pm

Since people don’t see the absolute wonder in this life, they feel it must be elsewhere. And until we deal with that basic core issue we’ll just keep shoveling shit against the tide.

Joshua Norton May 17, 2009 at 3:05 pm

I think people who claim the bible is the ultimate authority should be required to live their lives by ALL the rules and beliefs that were active when the bible was written. Their maps, medical care, science, homes, sanitation and anything else that makes current life what it is — should only be based on what was said and done back then.

Bruno May 17, 2009 at 3:09 pm

[re=318808]Custerwolf[/re]: I would really love to be directed to some very simple english redneck version of the bible. Not the kind that has all the “thou” and “ye old” kind of crap (to add additional authority…age) but one that just says keeps everything to about 3-syllables max and 7-word sentences. There’s gotta be some home-skooled version out there somewhere?

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 3:12 pm

[re=318804]Bruno[/re]:
1: Sweet Baby Jeebus don’t know nothin’ ’bout no killin’. He never suggested it, he never encouraged it, and if I may paraphrase, his directions on that point were ” Cut it out, Shitheads.”
2: Not all, or even most of the followers of Sweet Baby Jeebus think killing and torturing are good ideas. We didn’t encourage it or vote for the people involved in it.
3: There is nothing to be done with the noisy minority who wants to pick up a cross and bang his brother over the head with it. They don’t believe it when we tell them it’s wrong, they are just as obnoxious to us as they are to you and yes, they often call us Godless, even when we’re all sitting in church.

We are waiting for God to straighten them out and since it’s God, it may take a while (or it may not, Gods funny like that.). While we wait, we are trying mightily to hate the sin and love the sinner. It’s not entirely satisfying but he left us a narrow path to follow and there is no other way (any of us can find.).
While we wait, try to remember that some of your most powerful ALLIES are in those pews every Sunday, right next to the bitters, so don’t burn down the church because you don’t like the choir.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 3:17 pm

[re=318812]Bruno[/re]: But you see that wouldn’t work because it’s ALL about authority. And it’s best if the original (alleged) purveyor of the ideas is long dead because then nothing he (supposedly) said can ever be called into question.

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 3:19 pm

[re=318813]dijetlo[/re]: Here is the thing. I could perhaps believe in the existence of deity.
(uncreated creator/creatrix and like that)
What I can’t see is how one gets from such a belief to any religeon. To put it another way – I might have a single leap of faith in me. But not the endless hopping and skipping and jumping that religeon (metaphorically) requirers.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 3:21 pm

[re=318813]dijetlo[/re]: When you say “allies” what exactly are you referring to? I have no need for allies. Only playmates.

2druk2phluq May 17, 2009 at 3:23 pm

[What the hell is this? I skip church and Sunday school fair and square. Devils, demons, hellfire - boogah boogah boogah]

How many titties do bitches have? You may find it interesting to know that the number varies. They have anywhere from 8-12 titties, but only 4 to 6 mammary glands. Big bitches have more titties than small bitches. Wouldn’t the world be a fantastic place to live in if small chicks could breast feed 4 babies on the subway instead of just one? What if during that romantic menage a cinq you could bump noses with two or three other dudes also pigging out on the breastage?

I even weirded myself out. LOL

Joshua Norton May 17, 2009 at 3:27 pm

[re=318816]x111e7thst[/re]: I sooo agree with that. I remember as far back as sitting in Sunday school. Believing in God wasn’t a problem, but all that other “Simon says…” organized religion BS they kept trying to throw in just didn’t make any sense to me. Even at the tender age of 8 or 9. And it’s never made sense since then.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 3:30 pm

[re=318816]x111e7thst[/re]: “I could perhaps believe in the existence of deity.”
Since the clogged Wonkette turnstile threw out my comment I’ll ask again.

Why would you want to?

lawrenceofthedesert May 17, 2009 at 3:35 pm

It’s good to be a political hitman and be able to say in public the stuff that pol’s can only say in the back room, unless you’re Michele Bachmann and announce every thought you have because you can’t figure out where you are. And any buzz generated for an NPR show is great news; they have to compete with t.v. for attention and PBS for funding; it’s a rough go.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 3:38 pm

[re=318820]Custerwolf[/re]: Precisely.

the lady MS.Sheila Dixon May 17, 2009 at 3:39 pm

The President just gave a great speech at Notre Dame.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 3:39 pm

[re=318822]lawrenceofthedesert[/re]: Maybe I’m just old-fashioned, but I wonder why we can’t raise the level of discourse in positions of leadership and respect. We’re long past overdue.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 3:45 pm

[re=318826]the lady MS.Sheila Dixon[/re]: I hope it was inspirational, I was really getting tired of hearing all of Keye’s defetused crap.

the lady MS.Sheila Dixon May 17, 2009 at 3:50 pm

[re=318827]Custerwolf[/re]: that’s what Barry just said!

Lionel Hutz Esq. May 17, 2009 at 3:56 pm

Isn’t the sad thing that Bill O’Reilly or Sean Hannity have never asked a Republican as hard of a question as an NPR game show asked Axelrod?

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 3:59 pm

[re=318832]Lionel Hutz Esq.[/re]: Sad? Yes. Surprising? Not in the least.

SayItWithWookies May 17, 2009 at 4:19 pm

[re=318813]dijetlo[/re]: so don’t burn down the church because you don’t like the choir.

Oh, it’s not because I don’t like the choir. It’s because the church (pick one) is always mistaking itself for the state. Only worse because it’s not based on reason or evidence. The more people understand critical thinking and the soundness of evidence, the less faith-based assertions about the real world will hold water. Every religion is on a limb that is slowly being sawn off. The job won’t be finished in my lifetime, but I like to imagine it.

SayItWithWookies May 17, 2009 at 4:26 pm

[re=318802]gurukalehuru[/re]: Had to go find what you were talking about:
http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret
First impression: wow, those are some craptacular photoshop skills (and I have no reason to criticize, but really).
Second impression: Only a very, very simpleminded president would get a hard-on from that nonsense. A reasonable person would be slightly embarrassed at best. That Dubya may have been dumber than I imagined simply boggles the mind.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 4:26 pm

[re=318836]SayItWithWookies[/re]: There’s only one glitch in your proposition. You speak of evidence but evidence in regards to WHAT? You can only prove what you already know (based on prior assumptions) – which is infinitesimal compared to to the whole Mystery of what life is.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 4:35 pm

[re=318816]x111e7thst[/re]: might have a single leap of faith in me. But not the endless hopping and skipping and jumping that religeon (metaphorically) requirers.

If you believe that the creator/creatrix exists, does that change the way you live your life? If so, then you belong to a religion (albeit with a congregation of 1). That doesn’t make it less valid the faiths with millions or billions in their congregation, just less effective at achieving change.
I don’t hop or skip over changes in the Lutheran dogma, though I’d wish they’d decide if it’s “sins” or “tresspasses” in the lords prayer because I still fuck that up, if I come across something (like the Pope has a cloven hoof and a tail) that doesn’t make sense to me I don’t internalize it. As long as the Lutherans don’t decide to dethrone the Demonic Pope (again) I don’t have a problem ignoring it, nor do I feel I’m making Jeebus cry by doing so.
That said, all religion is an extrapolation of the “three blind men describing an elephant” joke. The single thing that encouraged me to become a Lutheran was Martin Luther who was asked what does he think will surprise him most when he gets to heaven. He answered…
1: They let me in
2: Who else they let in.
3: Who they didn’t let in.

[re=318817]Custerwolf[/re]:
You only need allies when your trying to accomplish something. If your not trying to implement change, you’re right, you don’t need allies and playmates are enough.

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 4:40 pm

[re=318820]Custerwolf[/re]: The closest I actually came was during the couple/3 of years I was meditating (zen if it matters)
Sometimes I thought I was (perhaps,maybe) directly experiencing something numinous. (Call it deity cause why not). My roshi explained this by saying “the monkey brain is full of tricks”. She was a pain like that. So I decided that maybe I would belive in deity. Or the possibility of deity. Just to fuck with her. I have a bad attitude sometimes I guess.

Eventually it came to me that all the sitting was just an attempt to get to the same place where I naturally go when I drop the Xhairs onto the target, let the air slip away and, in the infinite space between heartbeats, squeeze. So I stopped it with the zen.
Now if I want to directly experience the numinous I reach for the d-lysergic acid diethalamide

SayItWithWookies May 17, 2009 at 4:42 pm

[re=318838]Custerwolf[/re]: Religions continually make and have made assertions about the natural world based on what some scripture or belief. So evidence in regards to just about anything, really, from the size and shape and age of the earth and the universe to whether David ruled over all of a united Israel to whether some hippie was crucified between two thieves on a hill in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago.

And yeah, there’s plenty we don’t know. But religion’s going about finding out in entirely the wrong way. Science has told us more about the mysteries of things in 400 years than religion has managed since before recorded history began. So I’ll trust science to find out what we don’t know better and faster than religion ever will.

El Pinche May 17, 2009 at 4:43 pm

[re=318812]Bruno[/re]: The Bible should be a sitcom series on the country music network with Chuck Norris as Jesus with Larry the cable guy, Ted Nugent, some other country jesus-buttfucker. Jesus could kick some ass and explain his boner for war and his tendency to blow up abortion clinics in the Nazareth area using god-power (he could look up in the sky and shrug , “sorry dad!” , wah wah wah waaah).

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 4:43 pm

[re=318839]dijetlo[/re]: “You only need allies when your trying to accomplish something. If your not trying to implement change, you’re right, you don’t need allies and playmates are enough.”

When you are in a war and it becomes clear that you can not conquer your enemy, what you do next is you attempt to make peace, you attempt to create allies. My life is not about war. My life is about having fun in the short time I have here on earth. With you it’s different because you actually think you’re going somewhere else after this.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 4:44 pm

[re=318841]SayItWithWookies[/re]: Amen. I just don’t believe in deifying science.

Harvey Birdman May 17, 2009 at 4:48 pm

[re=318783]Adolf Bachmann[/re]: Yeah, that was 1/2 Hour News Hour incoherent reference comedy. The only way it doesn’t come off creepy is if Axe was gay, trying to get married, and just being straight up bitchy, Perez style. (and if that’s the case, give me a call, David)

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 4:48 pm

[re=318840]x111e7thst[/re]: I’ve always felt psilocybin was a kinder gentler way.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 4:51 pm

[re=318839]dijetlo[/re]: I believe the most destructive force in this world is the belief in an afterlife.

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 4:53 pm

[re=318839]dijetlo[/re]: No -it does not change how I live my life. That’s my point. Because I do not get from belief in the (possible) existence of deity to anything about what deity wants, or in fact whether (possible) deity wants anything at all, from me or from anyone/anything.
I do not even understand what basis humans might have for believing that they COULD know what deity wants. Always of course presuming that deity etc.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 4:55 pm

[re=318840]x111e7thst[/re]: I think the people who may have come the closest to creating a sacred ritual for “touching god,” so to speak were the Native Americans performing the Sundance. But that was a long, long time ago. And it was extremely few who actually did.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 4:57 pm

[re=318836]SayItWithWookies[/re]:It’s because the church (pick one) is always mistaking itself for the state.

Your generalizing. Most Churches and many faithful understand that rubbing government all over baby Jeebus isn’t so much bad for government as it’s bad for baby Jeebus (and his flock).
Jesus didn’t asked to be made king, that was a joke the Romans thought was funny, he told us to render unto the lord that which is the lords and Caesar will answer for what Caesar does.
Perhaps, when I die I will cease to exist, perhaps I will answer for everything I’ve done. I can’t decide which I’d prefer so I guess I’ll just wait and play the hand I’m dealt.
What I can tell you is that my life had been much more productive and beneficial to the people around me because of my association with religion and my faith.
I got nothing but love for ya, Wook. I can’t be angry at you because you attack my faith because I share a respect for reason with you and my faith informs me that God loves you just as much as he loves any of the rest of us. If God says your OK, who am I to argue?

hobospacejunkie May 17, 2009 at 5:00 pm

[re=318837]SayItWithWookies[/re]: I like the Rumsfeld picture with the Bible quote “Open the gates that the righteous nations may enter, the nation that keeps faith.

Those two swords the tanks are driving under are awesome. Why haven’t I seen that before? I guess not all megalomaniacal architecture is hideous. YMMV.

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 5:00 pm

[re=318846]Custerwolf[/re]: Here the mushrooms usually grow in cowshit.and there is plenty of that around. I like to dry them,grind them to powder then smoke them. the experience is not unlike opium. drifty and dreamy. makes me like people much more than I usually do.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 5:01 pm

[re=318844]Custerwolf[/re]: Science is a way of thinking, analyzing, testing and ultimately learning; it’s only a process. It’s the best way to evaluate anything effectively. Can’t “deify” a way to think.

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 5:06 pm

[re=318849]Custerwolf[/re]: “As they stood around the arena the holy men would approach them and pierce each side of their chests with a length of bone. The rawhide thongs would then be attached to the bone. The dance would then begin, a slow shuffling dance to begin with. Others would choose not to be tethered to the pole in this way. They would have the bones put through their backs and buffalo skulls would then be attached with thongs. The dancers would then drag these heavy skulls around as they danced.
The whole idea of the dance was to remove the bone pieces from your body. The dancers at the pole would pull themselves backwards, trying to tear their flesh and release themselves. Those with skulls attached to their backs would dance over rocks and through bushes hoping to catch the skulls on something and having them ripped from their bodies.”

I’m as into S&M as the next person but OUCH.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:06 pm

[re=318850]dijetlo[/re]: “I can’t be angry at you because you attack my faith because I share a respect for reason with you and my faith informs me that God loves you just as much as he loves any of the rest of us.”

What is faith but the tenacious desire to cling to hoped-for assumptions? You wish for there to be a god who cares about you, therefore you look to those things that will confirm that for you.

Goddmamit, now I have to go chop wood and carry water.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:07 pm

[re=318853]Atypical[/re]: You can’t deify the scientific method? It sure seems to have happened.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:07 pm

[re=318852]x111e7thst[/re]: And I’ll bet the sex is out of this world.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:10 pm

[re=318853]Atypical[/re]: “It’s the best way to evaluate anything effectively.”
Absolutely. It’s just not the best way for discovering anything new.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:22 pm

[re=318854]x111e7thst[/re]: http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo336/brontie2/sd.jpg
and this one just because it’s so fucking cool…
http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo336/brontie2/eagle.jpg

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 5:22 pm

[re=318848]x111e7thst[/re]: God as an absentee slum lord? Just send the rent and don’t tear the place up?

“whether (possible) deity wants anything at all, from me or from anyone/anything.”
It does seem odd, doesn’t it? An all powerful being basically creating us so that he’s got more baritones in his celestial choir, casting us into a lake of fire if we’re off key…I think there is a greater project underway here than getting a couple of extra “hosannas” per day for the Allmighty. I don’t understand it, if Jeebus came down on a cloud and explained it to me, I suspect I still wouldn’t understand it.I’m stll in the veil of tears, there isn’t a lot to see here but anger, pain and suffering. I figure if you try to do something to alleviate that for his/her other creations, at least they wont be pissed off about it.

[re=318847]Custerwolf[/re]: I’d disagree. The most destructive force in history is greed, but God made us greedy, go figure….

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 5:31 pm

[re=318857]Custerwolf[/re]: It only seems like that because there is sooo much bullshit around there has to be a pushback or we drown in it. As to something new; science can lead to new and so can other processes.It’s not one or the other.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 5:32 pm

[re=318855]Custerwolf[/re]:
What is faith but the tenacious desire to cling to hoped-for assumptions?
It’s a worldview, a way to look at your fellow man and see a child of God, and not just potential prey to be exploited, enjoyed and eventually consumed.

You wish for there to be a god who cares about you, therefore you look to those things that will confirm that for you.

and I find them everywhere I look.
I don’t know about heaven, I’ve never been there though they tell me it’s nice. I don’t expect to ever see heaven that isn’t why I believe.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:36 pm

[re=318860]dijetlo[/re]: “The most destructive force in history is greed, but God made us greedy, go figure….”

You see, since no god exits in my world, I can only assume it is a part of my very human nature to be “greedy.” It is also my nature to be selfish, it’s beneficial to my survival after all. What you refer to as “greed” is actually a very natural and very necessary hunger – which is a necessary thing. If you didn’t have it, there would be no desire to eat and no desire to fuck. Without passion, you will never have compassion.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:38 pm

[re=318862]dijetlo[/re]: “though they tell me it’s nice”
Whoever told you about it has never been there.

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 5:41 pm

[re=318860]dijetlo[/re]: “An all powerful being basically creating us so that he’s got more baritones in his celestial choir, casting us into a lake of fire if we’re off key….”

or an all powerful being creating a universe hospitable to carbon based life because ITS chosen beings – the Frrrgh not us – required such a universe to attain salvation in. In the latter view we are just incidental – it’s not about us at all.

or, or. The possibilities are as limitless as imagination, and I can see no way to regard any as more valid than any other. You seem to. How did you get there? I ask not to make fun of your belief but out of interest. I would like to know.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:43 pm

[re=318861]Atypical[/re]: I agree. I’m just glad Einstein and Newton were open to the phenomenon of realization (meaning something which is not arrived at through deduction or a compilation of facts, but recognized in a bodily organic sense). Their scientific background is what allowed them to then in turn put what they saw in a way that the rest of us could understand.

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 5:44 pm

[re=318859]Custerwolf[/re]: http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo336/brontie2/sd.jpg
Love it. Is it a photo of someone actually doing the Sundance? It would be way cool if it was.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:46 pm

[re=318866]x111e7thst[/re]: Salvation? What must we be saved from? Our suffering? That’s not actually an enemy, that’s a doorway.

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 5:48 pm

[re=318867]Custerwolf[/re]: Nils Bohr dreaming the structure of the atom.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:50 pm

[re=318868]x111e7thst[/re]: Yes. They also had a version where the person was hung from a pole. It was a ceremony which originally had nothing to do with anyideology, it was a way of getting in touch with the elements (earth, fire, water, air and space) and the forces – out of which comes the manifest world. There is no ceremony like it today, at least one that I am aware of. Peyote ceremonies are simply a justification for getting high.

SayItWithWookies May 17, 2009 at 5:52 pm

[re=318850]dijetlo[/re]: If it’s any consolation, I regard all faith-based assertions as dubious, not just Christianity or even one particular branch of it. Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Mormonism, Scientology, the Q-Ray bracelet, The Secret, astrology, those people who make huge amounts of money finding out your dead relatives’ initials, homeopathy, Myers-Briggs, Kabbalah, neoconservatism, Raelianism, libertarianism, Freudian psychoanalysis, Head On (apply directly to your forehead), reincarnation, karma, chakras, qi, an eternal soul independent from the brain, heaven, hell, Amway, the power of prayer, zero-point energy, alien abduction, that anything has a purpose, or that there’s a god of any kind whatsoever.

My reasoning is that it’s simply wrong to accept assertions about the real world based on faith. There’s a much better way of finding things out than faith, and that’s to actually test the idea. That a religion has fulfilling aspects does not really vouch for the truth of its underlying assertions, so I’m not saying it’s worthless in that regard. Nevertheless, the underlying precept of all religions — that you can gain a reliable understanding about the world through faith — is wholly wrong.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:53 pm

I think our little Miss Cremedjeans should just thank her lucky stars they don’t do tit enlargements the way the Native Americans use to.
http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo336/brontie2/owmytits.jpg

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:58 pm

And speaking of carbon-based lifeforms. That just so happens to be what we are. We are combustible creatures who burn with desire and who crave a bright hot flame. It is our nature. That’s why it’s better to laugh than to cry. Crying dampens our fire, laughter breaks boundaries allowing a fresh breeze to fan the flames into a greater intensity. Just remember that no one besides yourself is responsible for how brightly you burn.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 5:59 pm

[re=318872]SayItWithWookies[/re]: Don’t be talking smack about my Q-Ray bracelet.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 6:01 pm

[re=318872]SayItWithWookies[/re]: “the real world”
Even that, you take for granted.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 6:07 pm

[re=318872]SayItWithWookies[/re]:
That a religion has fulfilling aspects does not really vouch for the truth of its underlying assertions, so I’m not saying it’s worthless in that regard.

Unfortunately, those “aspects” come with a high price. And as Hitchens says. nothing religion does cannot be done by the unreligious.

hobospacejunkie May 17, 2009 at 6:10 pm

[re=318872]SayItWithWookies[/re]: I’m with you on most of your faith-based assertions, but alien abduction? I know you don’t believe in god, but you don’t have to throw the baby out with the bath water!

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 6:17 pm

[re=318869]Custerwolf[/re]: Well in the example I was proposing we were not getting saved at all.
Some alien race was. Come on, it would be funny – if there was a god, and a heaven, and hell.
but none of it has anything to with us. it’s all for a bunch of aliens many light years away.

As for death – my best friend died. Heart and lungs stopped, meaningful brain activity gone.
They started her back up – she says it’s just black and nothing hurts. For what it’s worth.

SayItWithWookies May 17, 2009 at 6:18 pm

[re=318876]Custerwolf[/re]: We could narrow it down to the testable world, if you like. The untestable world I will give to religion — it can do what it will with all the djinns, saints, miracles, transubstantiations and virgin births it can dig up. And it can leave the testable, fact-based parts to people who use testable, fact-based techniques. Those would be the separate but equal magisteria that Gould talked about. Unfortunately, religion has never retreated to its allotted magisterium.

SayItWithWookies May 17, 2009 at 6:21 pm

[re=318878]hobospacejunkie[/re]: I know — what would Mulder say?

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 6:26 pm

[re=318880]x111e7thst[/re]: Wow. That’s pretty life-changing, eh? I do feel compelled to say however that no one actually “dies” and comes back. Once you are dead – you are dead. So while your friend experienced freedom from her local consciousness, she was still alive. In death you are gone. That’s it. Lights out. Ussually when people have near death experience they all talk about a white light, but that’s still only their brains coming up with familiar associations, etc, to explain the unexplainable. We can’t actually see white light. It’s impossible. What we see is brightness. Your friend no doubt touched other incredible spaces, but since she has no reference for them she won’t remember. The mind can only go so far, at some point you have to drop it or stay put.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 6:28 pm

[re=318881]SayItWithWookies[/re]: Science and religion are not seperate but equal. Religion is a crutch, science is a ladder.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 6:32 pm

[re=318863]Custerwolf[/re]: is also my nature to be selfish, it’s beneficial to my survival after all.
Exactly, so why do you find it so surprising that many “religious” people are selfish, since this is a feature of the monkey brain? What ought to surprise you is why some religious people aren’t selfish. You can even take the word “religious” out of the sentence if you like. What is it they believe that allows them to over-ride their monkey brains and act against their own interests?

“Whoever told you about it has never been there.”:
That just means it’s so nice, you never want to leave…it must be like Tahiti or something….

[re=318866]x111e7thst[/re]:
The possibilities are as limitless as imagination,
Good point, limitless as the creat-x imagination which is liable to be an even larger set of data points.

“and I can see no way to regard any as more valid than any other. You seem to.”

No, I actually don’t. I’m walking a path a man walked two thousand years ago (at least I am intermittently trying to walk that path to the best of my understanding). If you choose another path, I don’t think your wrong or evil. If you choose no path, you may be wrong, but that doesn’t make you evil, your also still precious in the eyes of God, and therefore, according to the man who lived two thousand years ago, you should be precious in my eyes as well. I’m a blind man grasping the tail of an elephant asking myself “is God a stick?”, I am in no way empowered to tell others they are wrong.
I just said we aren’t all the same and many people who aren’t religious do a disservice to the people who agree with them by claiming they are fools wandering in the wilderness or they are evil, bigoted and small minded. Many people are those things, many people aren’t. I get tired of trying to answer for the Talibangelicals, those aren’t my people, they don’t believe as I believe, but they are no less precious in the sight of God and I can’t find it in my heart to despise them.
Look at it this way, if they are right about God and judgement day, then the lake of fire awaits them. When I look at it like that I just feel sorry for them.

SayItWithWookies May 17, 2009 at 6:34 pm

[re=318884]Custerwolf[/re]: Damn — Gould didn’t say equal — he said “non-overlapping magisteria.”

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 6:34 pm

[re=318885]dijetlo[/re]: I’m gonna have to catch you on the flip side. I have to go to work. But don’t pity me.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 6:35 pm

[re=318880]x111e7thst[/re]: There has been, and continues to be, research on “near death experiences”. Significant chemical changes in the brain occur and lead to all kinds of reactions. Plus people in other cultures who have been raised with differing socialization report either nothing (very common) or something relevant to their experiences. Our reactions are just that – ours alone.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 6:36 pm

[re=318885]dijetlo[/re]: You cannot override your brian. Think about it.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 6:37 pm

Well, okay maybe your brian, but certainly not your brain.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 6:38 pm

[re=318886]SayItWithWookies[/re]: There’s a quote from Gould I love that I’ll have to find when I come home from work.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 6:46 pm

[re=318886]SayItWithWookies[/re]: Correct re Gould. However, there are very many who disagree with Gould’s magisteria comment. There are unbelievers who feel that when disagreeing with religion to still allow it to be placed at a comparable level with science. This view is being shown for what it is – appeasement and a desire to avoid appearing “hard”. There is no commonality. Faith and science are incompatible.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 6:50 pm

[re=318872]SayItWithWookies[/re]: There’s a much better way of finding things out than faith, and that’s to actually test the idea.

Is there a way to test for the Creat-x?

Nevertheless, the underlying precept of all religions — that you can gain a reliable understanding about the world through faith —
I don’t have that page in my hymnal. I honestly don’t think most religious people believe this was all created in seven days and the dinosaurs fossils are an evil trick perpetrated by Satan and the Libtards.

Oh, almost forgot.

Trucknutz

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 6:54 pm

[re=318888]Atypical[/re]: I’m not sure dead is dead. Take the goldfish that I used to drop into liquid nitrogen in high school biology. Flash frozen and by any meaningful definition dead. yet if one warmed them carefully enough a nontrivial percentage would “come back to life”.

There was one little fish I did this to 3 or 4 times. Finally I took him home and my brother ended up feeding him to one of our garter snakes.

In any event my friend Ch. says she was dead. Since it was her that experienced it I shall take her word for it.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 6:58 pm

[re=318887]Custerwolf[/re]:
I have to go to work
Working on Sunday, that’s gotta suck.

But don’t pity me.
Fuck it then, get your ass to work.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 7:01 pm

[re=318890]Custerwolf[/re]:You cannot override your brian. Think about it.
I can starve myself to death in a room full of food, if I choose to do so. That is overcoming your genetically designed operating system, in effect overcoming your brain.
IMHO

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 7:02 pm

[re=318885]dijetlo[/re]: I just said we aren’t all the same and many people who aren’t religious do a disservice to the people who agree with them by claiming they are fools wandering in the wilderness or they are evil, bigoted and small minded.

Some religeous people are others are not. The percentage is probs about the same as with people generally. I have no opinions on how others should spend their lives.So I agree with you there.
I’m just, as I said interested in why some choose as you do, and others follow whatever it is that the indian prince known as Siddhartha became. And yet others grovel naked in front of an inverted crucifix at midnight. I also want to know why Neptune was once worshipped by those who sailed the winedark sea and now no longer is.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 7:04 pm

Oooops….not trying to pick a fight, CW, just taking your advice and not pitying you.
It still sounded mean as hell though, sorry.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 7:08 pm

[re=318894]x111e7thst[/re]: Dead is dead. When certain activities stop that’s it. But I understand the impulse by some to “feel” they were dead. But it’s nothing more than that, a feeling bolstered by their beliefs and a lack knowledge about biological processes.

Your comment re fish is interesting because there are organisms that can be dormant for years (frogs, I think) and then when it rains they become active again. And there are animals, that, as a result of cold, slow their bodies to conserve energy. When it warms they move again. Interesting stuff. But known to those that work in science so there is no mystery.

hobospacejunkie May 17, 2009 at 7:12 pm

[re=318894]x111e7thst[/re]: You have solved the problem of how we are to colonize Mars! We send a large spaceship with, say 10,000 people aboard, flash-frozen. When they arrive on Mars, the non-trivial percentage who come back to life when warmed carefully will be the new colonizers. The rest will be food, soylent green-style.

The trick is fooling those 10,000 into getting on the ship in the first place.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 7:18 pm

[re=318900]hobospacejunkie[/re]: Tell em god commands it.

SayItWithWookies May 17, 2009 at 7:19 pm

[re=318893]dijetlo[/re]: Is there a way to test for the Creat-x?

Only if the person with a definition of their creator in mind could come up with a statement which, if true, would mean that no such creator existed. Nobody’s come up with a statement that can actually be tested, make of that what you will.

I don’t have that page in my hymnal. I honestly don’t think most religious people believe this was all created in seven days and the dinosaurs fossils are an evil trick perpetrated by Satan and the Libtards.

It’s not just limited to that. The Bible is replete with assertions about the natural world that have turned out to be testable and wrong. The first page of Genesis also argues (regardless of the seven days thing) that the earth and the universe are more or less the same age; that the earth was created before the sun; and that birds were created before land animals.

The Bible also tells us that the Jews were enslaved in Egypt when this probably never happened (I’d recommend The Bible Unearthed for more about this), its political history is probably way off base, and it’s not even much of a moral guide.

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 7:26 pm

[re=318899]Atypical[/re]: “Dead is dead. When certain activities stop that’s it.”
I disagree. Unless other processes like decay have set in I see no reason why the “machine” should not be restartable.

As for the fish, they are not dormant. They are frozen solid – dead as doornails. If you drop them on the floor they shatter like glass. And you can start some of them up again.[re=318900]

hobospacejunkie[/re]: you would have to find a way to keep the freezing from bursting the peoples cell walls. I’m workin on it and I’ll keep you posted

Joshua Norton May 17, 2009 at 7:31 pm

So Tallulah Bankhead goes to Christmas Eve midnight mass after having a little too much eggnog with a group of friends. They walk in the front door of St.Patrick’s Cathedral and there’s a big crucifix. Miss Bankhead looks up and says “Smile dahling, it’s your birthday”.

Rimshot.

SayItWithWookies May 17, 2009 at 7:37 pm

[re=318892]Atypical[/re]: Maybe it’s fear of being whitwashed as angry and intolerant. While I’d like to see faith gone entirely, I don’t want to see it repressed — just beaten by a more successful way of looking at things.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 7:52 pm

[re=318905]Joshua Norton[/re]: Funny.

[re=318906]SayItWithWookies[/re]: Could never be repressed. Knowing human psychology and being aware of, for example, Russia’s current religious resurgence post communism shows many humans have no need of rationality. Life is too tough. Obama’s comment re guns, religion, etc was totally correct.

Trucknutz, also.

Joshua Norton May 17, 2009 at 7:58 pm

[re=318907]Atypical[/re]: Hell, some Russians want to see a return of the good old days of Stalin. That’s why Putin is so powerful.

God must love idiots – he made so many of them.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 8:10 pm

[re=318897]x111e7thst[/re]:
The percentage is probs about the same as with people generally.

I think you are correct and appreciate you all the more for it.

I’m just, as I said interested in why some choose as you do, and others follow whatever it is that the indian prince known as Siddhartha became.

I met buddha on the road, I just didn’t have the heart to kill him. He’s probably still pissed about it.
I’d say geography, I’m a Christian because I was born in the US. If I was born in Israel, I’d be Jewish or Muslim, in Asia I’d be a Buddhist.

—————————————————————————————
“I also want to know why Neptune was once worshipped by those who sailed the winedark sea and now no longer is.”

Steel hulls, radio communications, GPS and internal combustion engines would be my guess. Still, “the churchbell did chime till it range 29 times for each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald.”

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 8:17 pm

[re=318908]Joshua Norton[/re]: I contend (as do many whose knowledge far outweighs mine) that humans are extremely irrational, don’t want to think for themselves, prone to being whipsawed by their emotions, are subject to extreme credulity, lazy, repulsed by those that know more than they do or are just different, afraid of “life” and what it really involves, like to claim, ” I was raised on ______ and that’s only what I like, and dozens more foibles. This makes any progress a surprise. I do not feel superior being aware of this but work to cherish those that are working to survive and prosper in light of these tendencies. What I dislike are those that celebrate these weaknesses – they are actually proud of their stupidity. Yes, Norton, nature made so many of them.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 8:49 pm

[re=318902]SayItWithWookies[/re]:
Only if the person with a definition of their creator in mind could come up with a statement which, if true, would mean that no such creator existed.

We need a better understanding of the big bang. I was tempted to offer a human centric statement about “nothing “of” a human being survives past the termination of biological activity of that human being” but then realized X had a point, maybe God just saves Romulans.

The Bible also tells us that the Jews were enslaved in Egypt when this probably never happene

That wouldn’t surprise me a bit. The bible is a product of the times and people who produced it but then again everything is.
God tried writing everything down in stone but the shit heads fucked that up, they lost the stones (Oy!). You have to admit, he/she is very patient with us.
Sent us prophets–stoned them.
Sent us God Incarnate–We executed that bastard.
Tried to teach us eternal truth is peace—We spent the next two thousand years fighting over it.

Maybe he’s just sitting up in heaven, looking out the window, trying to remember why he started this project in the first place.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 8:51 pm

[re=318901]Atypical[/re]: Tell em god commands it.

Hehehehehe…and the funniest part is, that’d probably work.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 9:19 pm

[re=318914]dijetlo[/re]: Sad, isn’t it.

wheelie May 17, 2009 at 9:49 pm

[re=318902]SayItWithWookies[/re]: You are making Baby Jeebus cry by saying these things. Shame on you.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 9:53 pm

[re=318916]Atypical[/re]: The day young men can’t be convinced to do stupid, incredibly dangerous things for trivial reasons is the last day we’ll know war.
It’ll also be the last day we’ll know skydiving and bungie jumping, but I doubt those two will be celebrated.
Getting 10,000 Christians to volunteer in hopes of having a few hundred thaw out, re-animate and colonize Mars wouldn’t be tough but you’d have to decide which sect.
There’s lot’s of baptists, but they’d probably declare war on the earth and come back and conquer us.
Same problem with the Mormons, but at least they’d pay for the whole thing.
The Lutherans would tell you there going to do it, but in twenty years you’ll still be waiting to flash freeze the first one (we’re just trying to keep the Baptists and Mormons off Mars).
You could probably flash freeze the Presbyterians in their pews, who’d notice? If you just do the back pews it probably wont even interrupt the service.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 9:59 pm

‘Course we could fill it with Atheists just as easily. It really is your only shot at immortality, be the founder of a PLANET, yeah Boo, they’ll remember you.
If I was an Atheist I’d be tempted.

jagorev May 17, 2009 at 10:11 pm

What the hell happened in this thread?

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 10:16 pm

[re=318910]dijetlo[/re]: Well Rinzai would be dissapointed in you anyway.

Whether you turn to the outside or to the inside, whatever you encounter, kill it. If you meet the Buddha, kill the Buddha; if you meet the patriarchs, kill the patriarchs; if you meet Arhats, kill Arhats; if you meet your parents, kill your parents; if you meet your relatives, kill your relatives; then for the first time you will see clearly. And if you do not depend on things, there is deliverance, there is freedom!” (Zen Teaching of Rinzai, pp. 43-44)

Joy May 17, 2009 at 10:17 pm

jagorev:
Hopey got to everyone. Now everyone wants to talk in a resonable manner about stuff they will never convince the other of. And being all respectful like and such too!

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 10:20 pm

[re=318920]jagorev[/re]: It turned vicious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIdc0NGumVc

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 10:22 pm

[re=318922]Joy[/re]: I went to that site – could not see how to vote.
What am I missing?

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 10:24 pm

[re=318896]dijetlo[/re]: No it’s not, that’s your brain fighting with itself.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 10:25 pm

[re=318919]dijetlo[/re]: This conversation and every other just like it can be stopped without wasting a cogent thought. How? If every person distilled his/her existence to the reality that each of us is human first and all that implies and not religious/non-religious, thin/fat, male/female, rich/poor, educated/non-educated, successful/still searching, Caucasian/non-Caucasian, or attractive/not attractive. But, noooo! We are all concerned with the superficial aspects that prevent us from acknowledging our humanity and sameness. This will never end because our acquiescence to predjudice feels so good and makes us feel so superior.

Joy May 17, 2009 at 10:28 pm

x111e7thst:
You have to sign up (it’s free.) Then either search for AKM by state, or just look for the yellow boots. Click on her page. There is a box with comments from supporters, once you have signed up, there will be a little link at the top that say’s “show your support.”
Yeah, it is not that easy!

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 10:31 pm

[re=318925]Custerwolf[/re]: You’re back. Thank…never mind.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 10:34 pm

[re=318894]x111e7thst[/re]: It’s more of a consciousness thing I was referring to. Once that connection is broken, there’s no going back. As far as life goes, even your knife and fork are alive, just not in the sense that we normally define life. Because we are limited.

[re=318895]dijetlo[/re]: Thanks!

x111e7thst May 17, 2009 at 10:34 pm

[re=318927]Joy[/re]: can you give me the link again?

x111e7thst says at 10:22 pm, May 17th, 2009 – Reply <—– see how it says “reply” in the blue band at the top of the comments
click that to make the reply function work

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 10:37 pm

[re=318897]x111e7thst[/re]: “Whatever it is that the indian prince known as Siddhartha became.”
He became awakened. That’s it. So he was no longer Siddhartha. He taught nothing – “Buddhists” made up half the shit he’s supposed to have said.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 10:37 pm

[re=318928]Atypical[/re]: cute.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 10:39 pm

[re=318899]Atypical[/re]: “But known to those that work in science so there is no mystery.”
And that is precisely the problem I have with science.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 10:40 pm

[re=318906]SayItWithWookies[/re]: Couldn’t have said it better myself. However, sometimes I still like to raise a ruckus. Don’t let folks get too complacent.

Joy May 17, 2009 at 10:42 pm

x111e7thst:

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/netroots_nation_scholarships?order=supporters

No blue bar on the “Leave a Reply” thing on my comments section. Oh well.

Joy May 17, 2009 at 10:44 pm

[re=318930]x111e7thst[/re]:

Total retard here. I just saw it. Thanks.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 10:45 pm

[re=318918]dijetlo[/re]: “It’ll also be the last day we’ll know skydiving and bungie jumping, but I doubt those two will be celebrated.”
The reason people go to war and the reason they jump out of airplanes are entirely two different things. They jump out of aiprlanes because it gives them a rush. Period. War is about territory and power.”

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 10:45 pm

[re=318920]jagorev[/re]: It grew up a little. But don’t tell anyone.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 10:48 pm

[re=318921]x111e7thst[/re]: And if only you could realize the truth of those words just by reading them [sigh.......].

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 10:49 pm

[re=318926]Atypical[/re]: “If every person distilled his/her existence to the reality that each of us is human first.”
I absolutely agree. But how to go about that?

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 10:50 pm

[re=318922]Joy[/re]: “Now everyone wants to talk in a resonable manner about stuff they will never convince the other of.”
I give that a week or two tops.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 10:53 pm

[re=318933]Custerwolf[/re]: Science doesn’t destroy mystery, it explains it. To live to learn the reasons behind questions is the most satisfying reason to live. The natural world explained glorifies human existence.

DC Hates Me May 17, 2009 at 10:53 pm

I believe that all people are merely puppet bodies for higher spirits to inhabit and play in. It’s the only explanation for why someone would willingly jump out airplanes, fight wars, or do a thousand stupid things if they didn’t care about living.

Joy May 17, 2009 at 10:55 pm

[re=318942]Custerwolf[/re]:
Week or two now, next time maybe three weeks, next thing you know it might become a habit.
OK, I’m a glass half full kind of gal.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 10:59 pm

[re=318941]Custerwolf[/re]: It is not to be. As I said we like it this way! Do the name misanthrope beguile you?

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 11:00 pm

[re=318926]Atypical[/re]: This will never end because our acquiescence to predjudice feels so good and makes us feel so superior.

I can agree with that part.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 11:02 pm

[re=318944]DC Hates Me[/re]: “It’s the only explanation for why someone would willingly jump out airplanes, fight wars, or do a thousand stupid things if they didn’t care about living.”

You threw me at the end there, but as far as fighting wars, it’s power, as I said earlier. Nobody actually thinks they are going to die -for the simple reason that nobody has died, therefore they don’t really know what that even means. People always say, “I thought I was going to die.” No, they had a shock to their system is all, they don’t know about death. In wars, they sacrifice themselves for an idea only.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 11:05 pm

[re=318950]dijetlo[/re]: Nobody ever feels superior. Some just appear that way because they’ve temporarily succeeded in silencing their sense of worthlessness.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 11:07 pm

[re=318947]Joy[/re]: sounds like you need to drink more.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 11:11 pm

[re=318953]Custerwolf[/re]: Cute.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 11:13 pm

[re=318943]Atypical[/re]: “To live to learn the reasons behind questions is the most satisfying reason to live. The natural world explained glorifies human existence.”
That’s why I have been studying the natural world for close to forty years now (I’m 48). I always said I could live without a man, but I could never live without trees – and I really, really like men. However, I have also been relentless in my pursuit – and I have at times been carried beyond what normally appears obvious to me. To put it differently, I am now more in love with what is beyond the trees.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 11:24 pm

[re=318937]Custerwolf[/re]: he reason people go to war and the reason they jump out of airplanes are entirely two different things.

You ever gone to war?

War is about territory and power.”
Not for the guy with the rifle and the flack vest…he don’t get no territory and his power runs out when he runs of bullets(unless he’s got a radio). You know what he does get?

it gives them a rush

Excitement, adventure, if you get shot at, so what your a kid, you’re never going to die and if your “numbers” up…dulce et decorum est pro patria mori. The old lie. As long as 18 year olds keep falling for it, we’ll always have war. If generals had to go out and shoot at each other, countries wouldn’t even have arguments.

SayItWithWookies May 17, 2009 at 11:27 pm

[re=318943]Atypical[/re]: In addition to which, there should be no fear that the mystery will disappear from life. Everyone who’s ever declared the end of a particular discipline — i.e. the end of science, the end of history — due to its completion as a body of work has been wrong. The mystery never ends in finding stuff out. And added knowledge has never taken any mystery out of things — regardless of what Peggy Noonan thinks about it.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 11:29 pm

[re=318955]Custerwolf[/re]: I feel it is important to discipline oneself not to become sidetracked. There are temptations everywhere because the world is not very rational. Pressure to follow what seems interesting can result in wasted time and the need to correct faulty conclusions. From reading your posts you probably are not prone to that.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 11:33 pm

[re=318956]dijetlo[/re]: “The reason people go to war and the reason they jump out of airplanes are entirely two different things.”

You ever gone to war?”
If you mean, have I ever been in an actual battlefield? No. I imagine for the soldier it’s about not getting your ass killed – not much philosophy in it.

“War is about territory and power.”
Not for the guy with the rifle and the flack vest…he don’t get no territory and his power runs out when he runs of bullets(unless he’s got a radio). You know what he does get?”

A chance to ask himself why the fuck he put himself in that situation.

“it gives them a rush
Excitement, adventure, if you get shot at, so what your a kid, you’re never going to die and if your “numbers” up…dulce et decorum est pro patria mori. The old lie. As long as 18 year olds keep falling for it, we’ll always have war. If generals had to go out and shoot at each other, countries wouldn’t even have arguments.”

I’m having trouble following you, but everyone is resonsible for themselves and the choices they make. Where are you arguing against that? Or are you? And as far as teenagers thinking they’re going to live forever – that’s just biology, sweetie. It’s an inherent species trait (they call it the “personal myth”), if we didn’t have that, a kid would be too scared to ever learn how to drive a car.

Atypical May 17, 2009 at 11:36 pm

[re=318957]SayItWithWookies[/re]: Yes, exactly. Great point. And that’s why the natural world and those that seek to explain it are wondrous, immensley satisfying and make life worth living. Why anyone needs to add supernatural bullshit to that mystifies me.

Custerwolf May 17, 2009 at 11:41 pm

[re=318957]SayItWithWookies[/re]: “And added knowledge has never taken any mystery out of things.”
I could not agree more. However, something different happens in your life when you no longer have to CLING to that knowledge – because you see something else. So the knowledge is there, but it’s just there as an explanation for what you see – it’s NOT what you see. The map is not the territory. So if you look closely enough, you realize you are left staring straight into the eyes of the Mystery. And in recognizing that you become humble. That’s when you can truly serve.

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 11:42 pm

[re=318942]Custerwolf[/re]: I give that a week or two tops.

We wont be talking about this in a week or two. It all started innocently enough, I got tired of being lumped in with Talibangelicals and said something about it. I’ll just go back to saying random inappropriate things momentarily, I’m not on a crusade. I certainly don’t want my religion to be a recurring theme of these discussions, I much prefer snark.
That said, I enjoyed the discussion, I think you expressed your views cogently and humorously and I understand a little more as a result, I can only say thank you.

G’night

dijetlo May 17, 2009 at 11:59 pm

[re=318959]Custerwolf[/re]: No. I imagine for the soldier it’s about not getting your ass killed
That’s a big part of it but isn’t that what skydiving is about? Daring death?

A chance to ask himself why the fuck he put himself in that situation.
That’s kind of what I’m saying. The problem is they don’t realize how silly that is before they raise their right hand and swear to “defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic…”

if we didn’t have that, a kid would be too scared to ever learn how to drive a car.
He’d also be too scared to pick up a rifle.

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 12:17 am

[re=318963]dijetlo[/re]: “That’s a big part of it but isn’t that what skydiving is about? Daring death?”
Are you kidding? NOBODY is ready to die. Not even those who jump without a parachute. It’s all still happening within a boundary, that wish to die – and death is completely out of bounds. You haven’t touched it. Believe me – you don’t KNOW death.

“He’d also be too scared to pick up a rifle.”

Yes. And because Nature doesn’t give a shit about the individual (out of concern for the bigger picture of species survival) – she weighed it, concluded it was worth the risk for evolution’s sake, and there you have it. No one knows you are here but you. And since you are the only one here anyway, it really shouldn’t be a problem.

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 12:30 am

But back to Carrie’s tits….

wickedlittledoll May 18, 2009 at 12:34 am

God, I feel bad for the real winner. Carrie, her perfect tits, and her enlightened view points, are stealing the thunder!

http://democralypsenow.blogspot.com/

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 12:36 am

Does anyone here know anything about electricty? I keep getting shocked by things today. I just got shocked by the trailer door twice (like an electric fence type shock), so I had Joe test it out and nothing happened to him. I’m in my barefeet so could it have something to do with the grounding? Just curious. I once bit into an elctric cord, and it was not a soothing feeling when I hit the floor on the opposite side of the room. I can still feel a scar on the inside of my lip from it. So I guess now I’ll be like one of those Invisible Fence dogs, scared shitless to step outside of my trailer. Guess I’d better buy a teevee and tune it to Springer.

102415 May 18, 2009 at 1:01 am

Carrie’s fake tits look dumb on that bony chest. Why don’t they pump some in restylane or at least shove in a layer of pig fat for the pictures. Personally, I thought Axe was funny but then I’ve been here at Wonkette for a while.The whole thing is faker than Miss Thing herself. All this press about a second place skanky beauty queen is just like a certain someone. Shit, she even does the no show publicity stunt thing. Which hellish exurb will I live to see her pretend mayor of?

lawrenceofthedesert May 18, 2009 at 1:12 am

[re=318969]Custerwolf[/re]: I don’t know about being old-fashioned, but I sure am old, and I think it’s very amusing that a one-liner from Axelrod about a beauty queen boob job (which is almost a redundancy) would inspire the Custerwolf Chronicles. (If I gambled on what items on Wonkette would inspire the biggest reactions, I would lose a lot more than I won.) As for raising or lowering the level of discourse, it couldn’t get much lower than the pompous twaddle peddled at most universities, where the politics is greasier than Illinois’ under Blagojevich.

rambone May 18, 2009 at 2:04 am

WTF? Almost 200 comments and only two references to TruckNutz?

bago May 18, 2009 at 2:16 am

No kidding. Ameteur philosophy hour needs to bend to the will of trucknutz! Also, is a computer dead when it is off?

Madaloon May 18, 2009 at 2:19 am

Several days ago my parents told me that THE AXE and my (ex) uncle are bffs from way back. As I am still recovering from the outrage of finding this out in May ’09 as opposed to, maybe, August ’08, I am shocked that I am one degree separated from such a man. I need to know him.

Neilist May 18, 2009 at 2:28 am

Someone, anyone, tell me that Custerwolf’s comments about living in a trailer, walking around barefoot, and biting into electrical cords were intended to be ironic humor.

Please. Tell. Me. Before I implode due to a Snark Overload and try to explain what a “Combat Jack” is. And the Fundamental Irrationality of a pack of 18 to 20 year old guys who dress alike and are armed with machine guns.

(Oh, and I skydived and engaged in low altitude aerobatics in that POS underpowered Citabria Champ because I am IMMORTAL.

Or because I thought I would bounce. It was one of the two. Wish I could remember which.

Mooo!

SayItWithWookies May 18, 2009 at 2:29 am

Just for some entertainment — War pics plus Bible verses I’d like to see:
http://lostintarnation.blogspot.com/2009/05/chatter-and-verse-donald-rumsfelds.html

Suds McKenzie May 18, 2009 at 4:22 am

next Sundays lone Wonkette post …. “Kitten Stuck in Tree” .. discuss

meyotch May 18, 2009 at 5:53 am

[re=318860]dijetlo[/re]: There might be some underlying agreement here.

Greedy people (all of us) try to maximize personal gain. Evolutionary sociobiology gives us ways to understand how this ‘greed’ can extend to benefits to relatives (e.g. the Cheneys in the extreme case of repugnance).

Belief in an afterlife convinces a person that their interests are better served by choosing actions that result in sucky consequences here in this life. I won’t Godwin the thread by talking about suicide bombers here. It’s much more mundane. Why fix social problems if they’ll be fixed in the sweet hereafter, for instance? Why be your brother’s keeper if you and he don’t agree philosophically?

Agnosticism or positive belief in NO afterlife motivates a different set of actions that are, in my value system, more salubrious.

To sum up: Affirmative atheism is a morally superior basis for a value system based on the personal choices it motivates. It also allows buttsechs.

gurukalehuru May 18, 2009 at 6:08 am

[re=318844]Custerwolf[/re]: Science doesn’t deify science. That’s what makes it science.

bago May 18, 2009 at 6:33 am

You people are frightfully dull at 3:30 AM PST.

schvitzatura May 18, 2009 at 7:03 am

[re=318836]SayItWithWookies[/re]: Render unto POTUS…

DC Hates Me May 18, 2009 at 7:56 am

[re=318981]meyotch[/re]: “Affirmative atheism is a morally superior basis for a value system based on the personal choices it motivates.”

Atheism serves the scietific method, the belief that only that which can be tested is real. And the method serves science .. technology .. the military .. industrialism .. which have caused more death and destruction to the planet than religion. Booya!

zhubajie May 18, 2009 at 9:19 am

Californication!

Zhu Bajie

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 10:36 am

[re=318982]gurukalehuru[/re]: Science exists only in the minds of human beings. To pretend it exists elsewhere is to deify it.

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 10:38 am

[re=318977]Neilist[/re]: “I skydived and engaged in low altitude aerobatics in that POS underpowered Citabria Champ because I am IMMORTAL.”

I did it because I needed some excitement away from the trailer and electricity.

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 10:45 am

[re=318981]meyotch[/re]: People are not consciously greedy. It’s an ignorance (meaning blind, not lacking knowledge) inspired trait.

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 10:53 am

[re=318891]Custerwolf[/re]:
“I could only say with the most fierce resolution, “Not yet Lord, not yet.” I could not dent the richness in a hundred lifetimes, but I simply must have a look at a few more of those pretty pebbles”
- Stephen J. Gould

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 11:00 am

[re=318985]DC Hates Me[/re]: How did anyone miss that part?
That is actually just a reflection of the imperfect nature of life – and the imperfection is the only thing that allows us to play this whole game in the first place. The only way to get out of it is to leave the playing field entirely. And who wants to do that?

“If you would understand me go to the heights or watershore,
the nearest gnat is an explanation, and a drop or motion of waves a key…
And I swear I will never translate myself at all,
only to him or her who privately stays with me
in the open air.”
- Walt Whitman

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 11:01 am

[re=318977]Neilist[/re]: By the way, Nells, thanks for making me laugh so hard this early in the morning.

DC Hates Me May 18, 2009 at 11:16 am

[re=319090]Custerwolf[/re]: All I’m saying is: ‘Creation’ scientists, using myth-based science, could never invent a proton disintegrating death ray (ideally operated by a hyper-emotional high-school drop-out) to wipe out the human race. Moral advantage: creationists.

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 11:24 am

[re=319104]DC Hates Me[/re]: C’mon, now you’re just splitting atoms.

larry2 May 18, 2009 at 12:25 pm

The liberals must be upset with Obama. He keeps breaking campaign promises. Here is the latest one:
http://www.thebarackobamawatch.com/TERRORISM.html

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 12:33 pm

[re=319172]larry2[/re]: Wow lars, thanks for that one. We really are upset, and we’re feelin mean, so I recommend you skeedaddle on outta here afore ya git yerself knifed.

Custerwolf May 18, 2009 at 4:21 pm

“The most beautiful thing we can experience
is the Mysterious.
Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder…
is as good as dead.”
- Albert Einstein

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