PEGGY'S WORLD  5:52 pm November 7, 2008

Peggy Noonan Disparages ‘Menacing If Increasingly Antique’ Black Rapsmiths!

by Jim Newell

There’s really only one sentence in Lady Peggy Noonington de Rothschild’s Wall Street Journal column today worth reading, but it is, as les Française would say, un crescendo magnifique. (PSST: WE DON’T KNOW THE FROG WORD FOR “CRESCENDO.”) Allez: “The phrase I often worriedly think of when I see, on television, gross violence, cruelty, a vulgarity of character, erectile dysfunction ads, news reports that reflect a mean and cynical attitude toward America, and still-menacing if increasingly antique rappers is: The children are watching.” It is these problems five that our beloved frau hopes to see vanquished under the princely young president Africanus, whom the children frequently view on the television machine. [WSJ]

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Svengali Jones November 7, 2008 at 5:55 pm

Quick someone get the leeches! She has the vapors!

OuterBoroughPrincess November 7, 2008 at 5:57 pm

This is clearly a direct attack on Chuck D. Or, maybe, Mike D. Who knows? Is Pegasus saying the art form is antique, or its practitioners?

Joe the Truck Nutz November 7, 2008 at 5:58 pm

Probably the first time the words ‘Peggy Noonan’ and ‘erectile dysfunction’ have been used together other than as an oxymoron.

Tra November 7, 2008 at 5:59 pm

News reports that reflect a mean and cynical attitude? Dammit, let’s get some perkiness into the next shooting spree report!

Doesn’t Peggy appear periodically on Fox? Is someone holding a gun to her head?

OffTheRecord November 7, 2008 at 6:01 pm

I had forgot it was Peggy Noonan Day! Yay!

BillyClubb November 7, 2008 at 6:01 pm

“…still-menacing if increasingly antique rappers” ?

How ’bout still-menacing if increasingly antique politicians (sorry Walnuts!, it’s true).

hobgoblin of little minds November 7, 2008 at 6:02 pm

Fuck the children

blinky_twinkie November 7, 2008 at 6:02 pm

“…still menacing if increasingly antique rappers…”?? How the *hell* would she know? Her Highness needs to hie it back to Rosings Park and fetch her smelling salts.

FreshCliches November 7, 2008 at 6:03 pm

I give Peggington credit. Rarely is the question asked, “Is our children watching?”

loislane1939 November 7, 2008 at 6:06 pm

Why is it that the people who care so much about children hearing swearing or the like, never care about the environment or any other thing the children might need in the future? I think Johnny will probably need to know the word fuck for later when he realizes we’ve ruined all the water tables.

/just saying.
//turn off the damn tv if you’re kids are in the room.

BillyClubb November 7, 2008 at 6:08 pm

[re=171231]FreshCliches[/re]: Ha ha. Yes, rarely is this question asked. And once Bush leaves office it may never be asked again.

hobgoblin of little minds November 7, 2008 at 6:09 pm
zhubajie November 7, 2008 at 6:09 pm

So stop watching TV, Peg. I quit in the early ’70s and no vital body parts have fallen off. I merely have more time to read books, listen to BBC, travel, etc. Go to China for 6 or 12 months and see something besides the usual westernized shopping districts. Meet people who earn a dollar a day and manage to save 1/2 of it!

Zhu Bajie

V572625694 November 7, 2008 at 6:09 pm

[re=171231]FreshCliches[/re]: Win.

Texan Bulldoggette November 7, 2008 at 6:11 pm

Barry already told the brothers to pull up their pants. Jesus, Peggy give him 5 minutes to work, oh I don’t know, on the economy or something slightly more important than Run DMC & Bob Dole’s sponsor, Viagra.

Dreadful Gate November 7, 2008 at 6:11 pm

[re=171228]hobgoblin of little minds[/re]: Win

ColdCupofHope November 7, 2008 at 6:11 pm

“Still-menacing if increasingly antique rappers.”

They should print that on the new Jay-Z album. It would certainly increase sales from the coveted “Over 50 cougar” market. Purr.

Kev-O-Tron November 7, 2008 at 6:11 pm

OT but I got the commenters at hotair mad at me. I made a crack about the war on drugs in a thread about Hopey’s Reagan seance comment and they’re not too happy…

Don’t worry. I won’t let them trail me here. But watch my back guys…

Theo_Mobius November 7, 2008 at 6:14 pm

God, I love it when you write about Noonan. I never really noticed here before I started coming to Wonkette, but now I can’t see her without laughing.

Neon Trotsky November 7, 2008 at 6:16 pm

[re=171247]hobgoblin of little minds[/re]: Ugh, I read that. What a complete non-issue. “Oh noes, urban blacks can identify with Obama! And they do it with occasional profanity!” I wonder how many Country/Western musicians identified with fake Texan George W. Bush…

One Yield Regular November 7, 2008 at 6:18 pm

Honey, not all rap is menacing, antique or not.

I once visited a 10th grade English class in inner-city L.A. where students were performing rap about Herman Melville’s “Bartleby,” which went something like: “The man Bartleby wuz a funny little dude/He didn’t wanna work/an’ he sat there on his stool/When somebody would ask him/’bout something for to do/the man Bartleby would say “I prefer NOT TO!”

Not menacing.

MedianHater November 7, 2008 at 6:21 pm

Pegleg is a pretty reliable go-to for you guys on a Friday afternoon… Wonkette should give her some sort of royalty for the material she provides.

magic titty November 7, 2008 at 6:22 pm

That bitch crazy.

lenorecutie November 7, 2008 at 6:23 pm

[re=171223]Joe the Truck Nutz[/re]: Probably the first time the words ‘Peggy Noonan’ and ‘erectile dysfunction’ have been used together other than as an oxymoron.

I dunno. I think the two kind of go hand-in-hand.

lenorecutie November 7, 2008 at 6:24 pm

[re=171267]One Yield Regular[/re]: I feel menaced.

The Pumpernickel November 7, 2008 at 6:27 pm

Won’t someone please think of the children!

EggplantParm November 7, 2008 at 6:29 pm

There is no way Nooners was ever a speech writer. I can piss more grammatically correct sentences.

Gopherit November 7, 2008 at 6:31 pm

Fuck you peggy. I’m not vulgar you vapid twat.

HandsomePete November 7, 2008 at 6:32 pm

I think it was Will Smith and the Men in Black song that put her over the edge. Who could forget these lyrics:

Here come the men in black
Galaxy defenders
Here come the men in black
They won’t let you remember

What is it with black people and defending the galaxy and making people not remember? For shame.

shortsshortsshorts November 7, 2008 at 6:36 pm

Peggy has been posting on Wonkette as “JESUS SAVES” for about a week now. She’s not being received very well, for some reason.

Scandalabra November 7, 2008 at 6:47 pm

I would love to see a celebrity smackdown between Peggy Noonan and Simon Doonan. The fur would fly!

Anonymous Office Zombie November 7, 2008 at 6:47 pm

The only sentence worth reading? Jesus, the whole thing is a mess of crazy diamonds. How can you choose only one?

“Some wonder if Barack Obama is… a strict modern liberal…”

A strict modern liberal? WTF?

“(Though it is also true that many of the indexes for the GOP are dreadful, especially that they lost the vote of two-thirds of those aged 18 to 29. They lost a generation! If that continues in coming years, it will be a rolling wave of doom.)”

Yes, yes. Just imagine what a rolling wave of doom we might have experienced during the last eight years had not people kept the GOP in power.

V572625694 November 7, 2008 at 6:50 pm

They want to respect you and look up to you; they want you to be a positive, not negative, role model for their children; they want to know you can lead as you ran, capable, Cool Hand Luke.”

They want Obama to eat fifty eggs, play, “I don’t care if it rains or freezes” on the banjo, and get murdered by white racists in mirrored sunglasses.

Oh, Dame Peggy, please don’t do that.

I’m totally down with that rolling wave of doom for the Repubs, though.

wheelie November 7, 2008 at 6:53 pm

[re=171267]One Yield Regular[/re]: Speak for yourself. That had me cowering behind the couch.

Delicious November 7, 2008 at 7:24 pm

Peggy is still traumatized by the Sugarhill Gang.

Danko Ramone November 7, 2008 at 7:49 pm

I’m as liberal as they come on most topics, but seeing the sentance without it’s original context, so I don’t know if she implied these things will change under Obama, or hopes they will, or even implied it facetiously.

At face value, it’s not that awful. The loss of the “thug” image in rap, and the lyrical content wouldn’t be a particularly bad thing. It’s not a positive in society, and being one of the most pervasive role model images for young blacks, it presents the world -and acheiving within it – in a distorted manner that does little good for anyone except the rappers themselves and their record labels.

WadISay November 7, 2008 at 7:54 pm

What frightens me is my children hearing a clip of Bush 41 deliver Peg’s “Room Called Tomorrow” speech.

thefrontpage November 7, 2008 at 7:58 pm

Please stop post anything by this moron! She’s completely insane.

imissopus November 7, 2008 at 7:58 pm

I didn’t see her complaining a few weeks ago when she went on The Daily Show to plug her book.

She’s the only woman I’ve ever hated this much who I didn’t want to fuck.

Delicious November 7, 2008 at 8:17 pm

[re=171353]thefrontpage[/re]: She’s not insane.

She’s just constantly in a pharmaceutical stupor.

obfuscator November 7, 2008 at 8:21 pm

Whatever, son. Her beef with them haters in the NRO posse is kind of wack. Her flow is never on point and her beats are played like Coogi sweaters.

obfuscator November 7, 2008 at 8:23 pm

[re=171363]Delicious[/re]: That is 100% correct. The season 1 West Wing dvd has a short doc featuring ‘real life’ White House staffers. Peggy is interviewed and oh my goodness she talks like a 60 year old phone sex operator on a low dose of Oxycontin.

hobgoblin of little minds November 7, 2008 at 9:13 pm

[re=171330]Delicious[/re]: Also Afrika Bambaataa and DJ Kool Herc.

lawnchair reactionary November 7, 2008 at 9:29 pm

I think it’s pretty clear that she accidentally turned on “Flavor of Love” and this column is the result.

S.Luggo November 7, 2008 at 9:30 pm

It’s either “Sarkozy” or “Paultard”.

S.Luggo November 7, 2008 at 9:35 pm

[re=171354]imissopus[/re]: Picky.

S.Luggo November 7, 2008 at 9:48 pm

[re=171398]lawnchair reactionary[/re]: Flavor of Love. Trademark suit. The Pegster wins.

robanybody November 7, 2008 at 10:25 pm

Noonan might be the fading Grand Duchess of Dimbulbia, but I have to agree with her that we could use a few less boner commercials. I do take issue with her on the badness of trashing America. Totally depends on which America you’re talking about. But the saddest chunk of this dizzy, unfocused ink spill is the first line of paragraph four: “I add one thing.” Ah, Pegadilly, you fading one-dimensional object of four equal sides, if only t’were so.

Giant Robot November 7, 2008 at 10:52 pm

[re=171261]Theo_Mobius[/re]: I’ve never read a column of hers before. Is she generally a poor writer or am I just too drunk/stoned/elated/ to know shit from shinola right now?

gliberal November 7, 2008 at 10:53 pm

Bitch slap the ho

robanybody November 7, 2008 at 11:52 pm

Noonan might be the fading Grand Duchess of Dimbulbia, but I have to agree with her that we could use a few less boner commercials and a lot less hate rap. I do take issue with her on the badness of trashing America—that really depends on which America you’re talking about. And what’s she got against BoDole? He hook her with his pen or something? The most tragic chunk of the Duchess’s dizzy, unfocused ink spill is the first line of paragraph four: “I add one thing.” Ah, Pegadilly, you fading one-dimensional tool used by carpenters to measure right angles, or perchance the vainglorious sum of a number multiplied by itself, if only t’were so.

As for her grammatical skills, she could totally handle Palin’s comeback.

robanybody November 7, 2008 at 11:55 pm

Hey, who’s that other robanybody? Asshole.

S.Luggo November 8, 2008 at 12:43 am

[re=171445]robanybody[/re]: Lithium Carbonate.

Fivetree November 8, 2008 at 1:03 am

Oh, Milady Peggington, must we be at sixes and sevens here? Our incoming liege has a lot on his plate and you seem to want to heap on the task of appeasing Republicans along with all the war and depression. It striketh me as a wee bit odd that Republicans are worried about Rahmbo’s “jarringly partisan” proclivities. This is, after all, a party that impeached a perfectly capable president on a strict party line vote which it knew didn’t stand a chance of prevailing because he couldn’t keep his pants up. I know you were worried about the kiddies and how it looked and all but where do you think Rahmbo learned how the partisan game is played and from whom?

S.Luggo November 8, 2008 at 1:16 am

[re=171426]Giant Robot[/re]:
Recall the character Mary Tyrone in Eugene O’Neill’s play, “Long Day’s Journey into Night”.
Who? What? Back to you to finish your degree at the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople.

MarieDeGournay November 8, 2008 at 1:28 am

[re=171228]hobgoblin of little minds[/re]: I love you.

S.Luggo November 8, 2008 at 1:47 am

[re=171458]Fivetree[/re]: Too under-1800 words and too unwandering to be a true Noonan paragraph. Next time insert a totally unrelated, 600 word essay about Saint Olga of the Rus or winter wheat.

S.Luggo November 8, 2008 at 1:59 am

[re=171462]MarieDeGournay[/re]: Parched life?

gurukalehuru November 8, 2008 at 2:19 am

The funny part is, Michelle Malkin, YOUR president is black, too.
Maybe someday even a Filipina cheerleader could reach that exalted goal.

S.Luggo November 8, 2008 at 2:25 am

I read Pegster’s article again. It should have been titled, “Change, but not.”
—Americans want change, and they just voted for it, but in times of high-stakes history they appreciate stability. —
Beckett might have written this [but with far fewer words].

asoko November 8, 2008 at 2:45 am

The French word for CRESCENDO is crescendo, same word without the caps. As for your second question, yes “les Française” should be « les françaises ». To make a noun plural, you usually add an -s… just like in english.

And please, stop harassing Peggy. Pick on someone your own size. Like, Maureen Dowd.

lawrenceofthedesert November 8, 2008 at 6:33 am

The children are on computer or texting — too hip for that t.v. stuff. It’s all Mortal Kombat and YouPorn for them, nothing dangerous like Antiques Roadshow.

regisgoat November 8, 2008 at 7:48 am

The Duchess of Noonington is always at her best when decrying something she saw on television. Her columns, in Tom Wolfe’s phrase, glow blue with television. You wonder what would happen if she turned the idiot box off and went out for a walk.

WonkaBee November 8, 2008 at 8:10 am

[re=171502]lawrenceofthedesert[/re]: le win!

Lazy Media November 8, 2008 at 8:12 am

[re=171417]robanybody[/re]: Who watches commercials anymore? TiVo, you technoneanderthals.

DoctorCulturae November 8, 2008 at 9:30 am

Jim, I too love reading and reading about Dame Twatwaffle because she always wants her cake, chews it, and then expects us to swallow it – guilty. Yes Peggy, the children! Did you think about them during the last 28 years of top down greed & denial? Srsly?

As Wm Safire was to grammar the Pegster is to morals. And actually I like her for it. Is that contradictorily Noonanish for you?

TGY November 8, 2008 at 9:52 am

“What a thing this is going to be to see. What luck to observe it.”

Map props to Nooner. May her glass never run dry.

TGY November 8, 2008 at 9:52 am

[re=171531]TGY[/re]: Ack. ‘Mad props’, even.

MrsNateSilver November 8, 2008 at 10:34 am

Oh Wonkette ppl, there were sooo many nuggets in this thing! I made my own blog post for it, too. It’s a collection of the choicest pretentious lines (so many to choose from!) and the most SAT of the SAT words peppered throughout. And do you know, that lazy bitch used obstreperous AGAIN! How lazy can you be? That was used last time, or the week before.

But here’s my favorite line of all: “He hasn’t staffed his campaign with fierce gut fighters but benign-seeming smoothies, the best kind of smoothie to be.” WHAT IN THE NAME OF HELL ARE YOU EFFING TALKING ABOUT? And, what exactly are the ingredients for those gimlets you’ve been knocking back? I’ve always wanted to try a gimlet.

PS I’m SUPER bored at work this AM and copy and pasted the article in Word. It is four full pages double spaced.

PPS I’m not a shameless self promoter in the comments (I’m lookin’ at you pumpernickel) but for this one instance, I shall share the url, because of its relevance:

the invisible woman November 8, 2008 at 11:13 am

Antique Rappers? I’ve got your antique rapper right here, Peggy. (It’s amazing footage of Cab Calloway and the Nicholas Brothers foreshadowing – and exceeding – 80s hip hop)

I suspect that if Barack Obama actually stepped into an elevator with Peggy Noonan, she would assume that HE was an antique rapper, and promptly clutch her purse. Has Peggy Noonan ever actually talked to a black person before?

gurukalehuru November 8, 2008 at 12:08 pm

[re=171550]the invisible woman[/re]: Thanks for the link. I apologize for the bad thing I said about you in the comments to the post above.

rupert_pupkin November 8, 2008 at 12:10 pm

[re=171249]zhubajie[/re]: well, she does stop to meet Mexicans sometimes.

Monkey November 8, 2008 at 1:02 pm

Dang, I’ve been searching all year for a good antique rapper for my kitchen.

JESUS IS LOVE November 8, 2008 at 1:40 pm

[re=171569]Monkey[/re]: I swear to you my opinion is not based upon Obama being black , if he were a Conservative or at least an honest Centrist , I would bend over backwards to see him shooed into the Whitehouse , but he is not , I am not Judging this man based upon on his skin color , I am only skeptical about his CHARACHTER …even If Obama were White , Asian , or Green with antennas sticking out the back of his neck (sarcasm) , the low variable of trust concerning the Obfuscatory demeanor of Obama would always cause me to reach the same outcome.

Thats why I know for a fact that Martin Luther King would never have voted for Obama ….

Sub_Standard November 8, 2008 at 4:07 pm

Ironically, aren’t there some children out there who owe their very LIVES to boner pills?

FreshCliches November 8, 2008 at 5:27 pm

[re=171576]JESUS IS LOVE[/re]: Obviously, you didn’t get yesterday’s memo.

According to Brent Bozell, the President of the Conservative Victory Committee, Obama won because “he ran as a Reagan-ite”, and that the country is still “center-right”.

(Never mind that two weeks ago, Bozell said that Obama was a socialist.)

Apparently, the Neoconservatives change their story as often as….as….a McCain campaign.

When you’re all on the same page, get back to us. Meanwhile, we’ll just point and laugh.

anabellum November 8, 2008 at 5:28 pm

[re=171576]JESUS IS LOVE[/re]: “Thats why I know for a fact that Martin Luther King would never have voted for Obama ….”

thats the best joke i’ve heard in awhile…

FreshCliches November 8, 2008 at 5:32 pm

[re=171550]the invisible woman[/re]: “Favorited”. Thanks!

Joe Trainwreck November 8, 2008 at 6:11 pm

She writes: “Hint: They want peace, progress in the economy and nothing socially extreme.” And, UH, also, invade Iran, feudalism in the Russian style and tongue-talkin’ theocracy.

Has anyone else arrived at the conclusion that Peg is a Cormac McCarthy character’s interior monologue?

Oh, and serious, I doubt very much that the children are watching.

liquiddaddy November 8, 2008 at 6:52 pm

I’m afraid we’re gonna have a lot of, “Hey Hopey, make all the black people stop _________.

robanybody November 8, 2008 at 7:04 pm

[re=171576]JESUS IS LOVE[/re]: Anyone who “knows for a fact” who MLK would have voted for is okay in Nancy Reagan’s book. You can rationalize all day, but you clearly already know “for a fact” exactly what you believe and you’re just filling in blanks. No evidence is going to change your opinion. That’s great. Moral certainty makes a great cushion against the terror of being. Kudos to you, you’ve built yourself an existential bomb shelter.

I “know for a fact” that you don’t know shit about Obama’s character, because all you have as a basis for your bias are Hannity, Rush, and your other standard pop-midgets. Oh, and partisan slander and the clueless opinions of whatever fellow moral absolutists you hang out with. Obama’s been working for others for most of his adult life—what about you? The man could have gotten rich ten times over if he’d gone into criminal law or basically whatever he wanted (except he’s not a Republican, so it probably never occurred to him). Instead, he chose to work for peanuts as a state legislator. You’re such a fool to passively absorb the Clinton-McPalin campaign line about him and take it as “fact.” Of course, the philosophy you inexplicably need to share on a site that doesn’t want you here is why we got Bush. Congratulations on your judgment. Your America thanks you.

MLK was a man of love and forgiveness, but I don’t think he would have been too patient with the likes of you. It feels a little like poison to hear his name springing from your keyboard, much worse than the GOP suddenly discovering sexism. Using “Jesus is Love” to post ignorant, spiteful rhetoric is ironic, to say the least. Shame on you as a presumably devout Christian for such sacrilege. Now, please go back to the Klan sites where you’re most comfortable. And remember, Jesus is Love.

JadedDIssonance November 8, 2008 at 8:52 pm

[re=171247]hobgoblin of little minds[/re]: That malkin post is just more and more breathlytaking!

And this, from reader L. in Cobb County, Georgia:

My senior at an upscale Cobb County Georgia (Newt’s old district) high school came home today in tears. Every black student at this school, where race isn’t usually an indicator of whether or not the teens are friends…they all get along and are for the most part, almost all college bound… was wearing their Obama t-shirts today. Many of them said, “My president is BLACK.” Many had Obama’s head printed on cardboard and waved them through the halls taunting the white kids with, “McCain sucks” and “F– McCain.”

Anyone who’d previously professed support for McCain is being taunted with “racist.”

My daughter asked the assistant principal what would happen if she came to school tomorrow with a t-shirt that said, “My president is white” on it. The answer was something like, “I’m with you, but there’s nothing we can do about it.”

Maybe [re=171576]JESUS IS LOVE[/re] would be more comfortable over with Michelle.

But, as a response to MM’s reader: Perhaps if you weren’t racist, you would have supported Obama from the outset, thereby saving yourself (and your unfortunately brainwashed spawn) unneeded cognitive dissonance.

I read the Noonan collumn in a discarded WSJ at SBUX today. It’s better at teh wonkette.

guangho November 8, 2008 at 9:05 pm

A lot of rappers are antiques tho. There is something wrong with a four year old tattooed fellow doing shots and being surrounded by hoochie mommas. Now if it’s a 30 year old without tats…I’m just sayin’.

guangho November 8, 2008 at 9:05 pm

Damnit. Forty year old.
Four year olds with tats are…precocious.

Mr Blifil November 8, 2008 at 10:06 pm

I wonder if she’s quick to tell the children how many blowjobs she had to give Lee Atwater to get her career on track?

glamourdammerung November 8, 2008 at 11:16 pm

[re=171576]JESUS IS LOVE[/re]: I know for a fact Jesus disliked liars and gossips, which sort of puts you up the proverbial creek.

glamourdammerung November 8, 2008 at 11:21 pm

So, we are not supposed to complain about our American society flooding us with gangsta rap and boner pill ads but we are not “bash America”?

shockratees November 9, 2008 at 1:24 am

yes, what is it with the boner pill ads? it is like now they have this torture thing like the cosmetic ads for women. women have to starve and/or be drug addicts to look absolutely flawless like a china doll all their lives and if they don’t, have massive slices into all parts of their body and face.

now it’s a guy thing too, like they have these pills that will give you a hard on but will kill you if you have any kind of heart trouble. let’s just all fuck and die.

populucious November 9, 2008 at 1:48 am

[re=171292]V572625694[/re]: So is Peggy going to start wearing a “My Paul Newman is Black” tshirt?

joe the bummer November 9, 2008 at 11:17 pm

Erectile dysfunction makes life hard.

Please punish me for this.

nurple November 10, 2008 at 10:06 am

“mean and cynical attitude towards America”? – G. Gordon Liddy is a dope fly rapper now?

aflurry November 10, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Sheesh… Peggy Noonan is a rap critic now? The whole worlds gone all Wonky!

… I don’t even understand what’s upsetting about “My President is Black.” I mean, my president IS Black. Well OK, half black. I’ma make a tee-shirt that says, “My President is 1/2 Black and 1/2 White… Can’t we all just get along?”

Honestly, my big issue with rap and my new Black president is… Does this mean the group Dead Prez is going to change their name?

… The first rule of erectile dysfunction is, don’t talk about erectile dysfunction.

aflurry November 10, 2008 at 12:50 pm

At least the ads for ED pills tell you what they are for.

What creeps me out are all those ads for medications and they don’t even tell you what they are supposed to treat. They just say, “Ask your doctor is Superduperawesomitol is right for you.”

Can we get those off the air? Oh, I guess not because Republicans caved to the pharma companies to allow them to advertise on the teevee.

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