Here they are! It is time to tell America what you thought of this special debate. Or, just leave comments. To fuel your “in the tank” fire, here is an article. Here is another. We are watching CNBC Europe right now, and drinking the wine. [Barack Obama’s Photostream]

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  • Dreadful Gate


  • Neilist

    In the Valley of the Blind . . . .

    God Help America.

  • BillyT

    Palin needs bigger cards to stay competitive.

    If she makes it to the West Wing, apparently the deal is: her card writers also get jobs at the White House.

    Or she will just fire those poor writers once “Presidency for DUMMIES, Index Card Edition!!” comes out.

    Or she might decide to wait for the Cliff’s Note version of the “Presidency for DUMMIES….”

  • PolicyWhore

    Saying Sarah Palin did a good job is like when I say my dog did a good job when we brings the ball back, rather than just looking at it.

  • ParallelComics

    Pat Buchanan’s post-debate Palin-based erection fueled glee was physically painful to watch. I know I should let the old misanthrope celebrate the first “excitement” he’s felt in decades, but not when he awards debate victory to a chuckling, winking joke who uses “Joe Six-pack” as a positive description of her supporters. At that point I say “shut the fuck up, Pat,” and hopefully the nation says it with me.

  • Dernyul

    this incredibly dumb motherfucker on C-Span just said ‘she was the hummingbird against the dragon. she just knocked every question out of the park. i don’t know what more the liberal media wants from her but…’

    i attempted to take my own life two or three times so far…

  • Smoke Filled Roommate

    [re=120347]PolicyWhore[/re]: Or if your dog just barked for an hour and a half..

  • naveed

    Oh hells to the WTF!

  • Die Gelbe Gefahr

    Can I just frickin’ reiterate that Palin showed MAJOR disrespect for Gwen Ifill, THE GOSH-DARN MODERATOR, by basically telling her she’s not going to answer her questions? Maybe Palin was thinking, “I don’t have to answer to you, Mrs. Sambo, you’re obviously in the tank for that negro, Obama, who is a negro like yourself, who is a negro.”

  • Edward Bulwer-Lytton
  • Dernyul

    Guys, go read the David Brooks encomium on the Times. He and I were clearly watching different shit.

  • JeffGoldblum

    I’m drinking Livingston because our economy apparently has AIDS. Hear that, Ken? Livingston.

    Good news is, it comes in 2 liter jugs so wootwootmardigrasspringbreak.

  • facehead

    I’m not drunk anymore so my commentary is worthless.

  • JeffGoldblum

    Also, I went through like 2 weeks of frustration-induced cigarettes during that debate… So, what the fuck, Biden?

  • NoWireHangers

    I just finished watching the DVR, so I’m a lot drunk. As soon as we were done I ransacked the house for a laptop and here we are reading what the Internet thinks happened. I mean, we were/are stoned crazy/winedrunk but the consensus here (at watch party) is that Palin biffed something fierce. She memorized her talking points, and never answered the questions. Then Biden started to cry and by then we were all kvelling.

    I mean, America isn’t dumb enough to fall for the shit she babbled, right? She looked good though, but she TOTALLY botoxes her forehead. Joe Biden looked strangely attractive. I bet he was a hot dish when he was young. You can see it in his eyes.

    Oh and then there was the “Obiden” quip. LOL! I want that on a t-shirt. Mmmm, Obideny…

  • Smoke Filled Roommate

    I think what I hated the most was Palin’s cartoony delivery– winking, smirking, stupid little quips and a big ol’ boatload of youbetchas. It’s like everything she learned about public speaking was gleaned from a mix of pageantry and Hee Haw. “Say it ain’t so, Joe”… ‘Wackity Schmackity Doooo!’ and then the vaudeville hook comes out.

  • obfuscator

    Biden did well in that he didn’t make any of the mistakes that people were looking for. He didn’t throw his hands up in exasperation and say, “Jesus Christ, are you fucking serious? For fuck’s sake, anyone with a 3rd grade education can see that you’re barely functional! What the fuck are you doing here?”. He also managed to get more than one memorable line in. His closing statement was great, and his little half-sob struck the perfect note with the manly choking back of the tears. Doubleplus good on that score.

    Palin did well in that at no point did she vomit, faint or promise that a McCain/Palin administration would launch a preemptive nuk-you-lar attack on the Republic of Freedonia.

    That being said: She’s an embarrassment to… anyone, ever, in all of recorded human history. I imagine her 2nd grade teacher is wondering why her most successful pupil has no idea how to indicate where one sentence ends and the next one begins.

    “Thanks a ton, Gwen! Yer one of the good ones, that’s for sure! So lemme tell ya… we, as Americans who love America, have a choice in November, where we, as Americans, can send a True Maverick Reformer, who is John McCain, into the White House to end corruption and greed, and as president of American people, John McCain would help America and American people by enacting oodles of oversighting to make sure that Wall Street doesn’t ever again do greed or do corruption things to Americans on Main Street, who are also waiting for change, and John McCain will always fight on behalf of(blank stare)… Jesus, Gwen, has it been 90 minutes yet, I’m running out of index cards doncha know, for the love of Mike, I’m sure as shootin’ ready to go back to the hotel and watch TMZ oh it’s the First Dude’s favorite show on the tv… “

  • SayItWithWookies

    Palin went absolutely post-structuralist a couple of times. And those were when Gwen asked questions regarding specific measures. Sure, ask her about the controversial taxes good / taxes bad dichotomy and she can come up with a commercial-ready answer. But ask her how $700 billion gets us from economic disaster to booming economy again and she’s just a random talking point generator until the 90 seconds is over. If she does the right thing and steps down, McCain should replace her with a Magic 8-Ball.

  • Senator Jeffrey Knight

    The foremost energy expert in the United States? I didn’t leave this debate thinking that Sarah Palin could define “joule.” Call me sexist, but I’ve met plenty of women who could define “joule” without a “don’t-cha-know.”

    Congratulations, Governor Palin. You can simulate the ability to form complete sentences by randomly stringing together your talking point phrases between random subordinating conjunctions. How does it feel to exceed expectations?

  • JeffGoldblum

    I was hoping Biden would use some snark in his last word. Like… “Thank your for this opportunity to ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS (said snarkily)” and then nodded over to Palin as to say, “unlike this broad!”

  • SayItWithWookies

    [re=120366]Senator Jeffrey Knight[/re]: Joule: That’s what Levi is savin’ up to buy Bristol, doncha know.

  • HuskyMescan

    My oh my. Palin pulled out her Moose killer shotgun of lies….18 so far:

    Joe was using kid gloves tonight, fo sho. but he still did alright.

  • Datsun510

    I already posted this on the previous feed, but I cut-and-pasted it again because I mean it and I’m pissed off. This dumbing down makes me insane.

    Where are you MagicTitty? Where is the feminine outrage? I can’t stand this! Apocalypstick shook her ass as she said “Drill, baby, drill!” SHE SHOOK HER ASS! Angela Merkel never shook her ass. Madeline Albright never shook her ass. Condaleezza Rice never shook her ass, and she’s got a great ass!

    How many times did Bible Spice wink at the camera? Hey, Palin, do you want America to vote for you or fuck you? This isn’t an audition for a shaving cream commercial. You are supposed to be convincing people that you are qualified to run the free world. This smilin’, jokin’, winkin’, g-droppin’ bullshit makes me puke.

    And I wanted to beat her over the head with a dictionary every time she said nuke-u-ler, or I-rack, or I-ran. I don’t buy the fake folksy veracular. It’s just another part of the war on intelligence we’ve been dealing with for eight years. If she’s smart enough to understand the benefit of shreading the constitution a little further to follow Cheney through the senate to the unitary executive, then she should be able to pronounce words correctly.

    And did she really close by saying she deserves the Vice Presidency because of American Exceptionalism? Sarah, do you want “Al Kida” to hate you specifically? You know, he will climb on Putin’s head and float over your house and blow Wasilla to Kingdom Come. Or maybe that’s what you want, all rapturey-like.

    Every woman in this country should be furious. And every man should be ashamed that he secretly wants a tattooed lipstick job.

  • Bitch’s_Brew

    Luckily for me, I worked during the fucking debate, so I am just catching up now.

    Mrs. Palin seemed about the same–the fourth-most-popular girl in your god-damn high school, who passed her civics class by persuading some nerd boy to write her paper for her. She is capable of long streams of bullshit though, ain’t she?

    Mr. Biden remained civil. Obviously, much more substantive.

    I was totally waiting for Barbie to get rattled and fall on her ass. Dang. I become cynical and depressed when I have to listen to a stupid person congratulate herself on getting over.

    Oh, luckily, here is some wine.

  • Homo Motors

    Yeah, I get it. Gay people don’t get marriages so we don’t end up all force-gay-married. I can take one for the team if it means no Overlord Crackers.

    But why are people applauding her when she can’t answer questions? I mean, ‘What’s your achilles heel?’ Don’t we all have to answer the ‘What’s your greatest weakness?’ question whenever we get ANY job interview?

  • Roschelle

    Biden rocked!! Palin did better than I expected…however, the bar was set sooo low til all she had to do was show up…

  • AnnieGetYourFun

    [re=120365]SayItWithWookies[/re]: That’s what they instructed her to do, though. They said as long as she fills the silence, she’d be golden. Hey, it works for high school debate.

    [re=120364]obfuscator[/re]: THAT was awesome.

  • AnnieGetYourFun

    [re=120370]Datsun510[/re]: I listened to the debate on the radio, so I can’t be infuriated on a feminist level by her stupid winking – didn’t even know about it until I saw the complaints here.

  • AnnieGetYourFun

    Oh, sometimes a good NYT editorial makes me so happy.

  • facehead

    Ok, I can’t resist…

    Since I find Obama’s message so inspiring, I hoped Palin would either:

    A) Give birth.

    B) Get trampled by a vigilante moose.

    C) Get pregnant.

    D) Call Biden a “nigger lover.”

    But hoping isn’t enough. She did alright, the bar was set real low and she hopped over it like the hot little snow muffin she is. People will squabble over the details (McClellan was the press secretary, not the military commander), but for the American people at large the debate is over, and she did alright.

    We all wonder, how could she flub so badly with Couric, and yet do alright tonight in front of millions? Not uncommon actually. Johnny Carson is kind of like Palin. Carson was great in front of a huge audience, but he was shy in public life, not very interested in giving one on one interviews. I tend to think Hitler was the same way. So basically what I’m saying is that Palin is either a great comedian or a genocidal lunatic.

  • JeffGoldblum

    [re=120370]Datsun510[/re]: Yeah I get what you’re saying. The ACKmadinejad references were pretty intolerable as well. Also, she broke out a “joe six-pack” reference like 10 minutes in. Basically, the state of our country’s politics is fucking disgusting. When they do that ballroom dance/balloon rave thing after Barry wins he should dance to Morrissey-America Is Not The World.

    That being said, I want to move to Madagascar (according to an animated documentary I saw recently, it seems pretty great).

  • SayItWithWookies

    [re=120374]AnnieGetYourFun[/re]: Yeah I think the McCain camp’s Hail-Mary strategy was that if Palin spoke in complete sentences she’d get some sort of bump for defying the lowest possible standard. But maybe enough Americans are tired of the soft bigotry of low expectations — a $700 billion bailout every month or so starts to add up.

  • lumpenprole

    I was bored. Eight years of Bush and I just can’t get a lol moment from someone knitting together soundbites with lies and aimless babble.

  • Datsun510

    [re=120377]AnnieGetYourFun[/re]: It made me furious because I am a guy. And because I’m a guy I got all blushy and distracted every time she winked at me. Which makes me furious not just with her but with myself. My wife thought it was hilarious how angry I got. When Apocalypstick SHOOK HER ASS as she said,”Drill, baby, drill” I fell out of my chair. My wife did not believe me, so she called her dad and he confirmed the shake.

    I was never a Hillary fan, but she was certainly a qualified, credible candidate. If sex ends up being used to win an election then feminism is actually doomed.

  • StrangelyBrown

    [re=120365]SayItWithWookies[/re]: Poststructuralist is a good word for it. Palin was challenging the very definition of the word “debate”. Future generations will read tonight’s transcripts alongside Nausea and despair.

  • Datsun510

    [re=120379]facehead[/re]: Very funny. Love your line of logic.

  • facehead

    Oh, and though I am completely in the tank for all black cripples, I was bummed Gwen didn’t ask both of them (i.e. Palin), about evolution. To see her say the universe has only been around 6 thousand years (when current scientific estimates are between 15 billion and 20 billion) would have been priceless. Her base would be pscyhed, of course, but undecideds would have been bummed, I’m sure.

  • space stout

    “Hey hey, Miss Penthouse ’98, close those legs, I could drive a boat show in there.” This was totally another beauty pageant Q&A for Palindrone, she was probably wishing for the swimsuit competition so she wouldn’t have to speak…

  • demtard

    Seriously, Ken. An article by a guy named “Dan Balz”? What’s next? An op-ed written by his cousin Nutz, Truck?

  • Anonymous Office Zombie

    Um, lets see. This is what I came away with (through a foreign, elitist bier induced haze).

    – Palin is a catch phrase machine capable of spitting out 1000 “mavericks” per second.
    (Also, my new favorite phrase – “Team of Mavericks.”)

    – Palin also seems to have contracted some weird strain of Romney virus which increases her frequent and severe spasms of down-home folksy talk to exponential levels. I believe this is known as “Let-Sarah-Be-Sarah Disease.” (Also, WTF is up with that crazy wink? I think that was the least subtle thing I have ever seen in my life.)

    – Curious to see what people thought: Did Palin seem absolutely terrified or not? The girl in the room was sensing total Palin terror. I don’t know what her man was thinking, and I was too drunk to make an accurate judgement call. So, what say others?

    – No Palin meltdown and onstage suicide (boo!), and she was better than she was with Couric, but the consensus seems to be that she still sucked. I hope this is what people think. Will have to watch again sober.

    Alright, time for sleep…

  • wavingnotdrowning

    Why is no one talking about how excited Bible got when Gwen asked her to imagine a deceased McCain?

    That was a huge smile, Giant smile, ENORMOUS smile. She can’t wait for Johnny Mac to croak.

  • Datsun510

    [re=120386]facehead[/re]: Which seems really cynical on her part. If she knows that she won’t get the glittery tiara if she speaks honestly about her belief, then it’s just a different kind of lie to avoid the question, as she did with Couric.

    Sarah, if you aspire to a job that requires you to lie about your faith, maybe it’s not the right job for you.

  • demtard

    [re=120390]wavingnotdrowning[/re]: It’s just a warmup for her totally fucking hilarious 2012 presidential bid.

  • azw88

    Loved Biden calling out the Maverick as BULLSHIT!

    And who the fuck was Palin winking at?? Was she going for some chocolate lesbo love from Gwen??

  • The Hispanic Buddy Holly

    [re=120383]Datsun510[/re]: I actually yelled at my teevee, “Stop fucking winking at me!”

  • ms_mcgee

    Doncha know? Whatcha think? Heck yeah! Never thought anything could irritate me more than “My friends.” I was wrong.

  • StrangelyBrown

    [re=120384]StrangelyBrown[/re]: I can’t believe I didn’t think about this earlier…

    A couple days ago, I heard someone like Rachel Maddow (or one of the other MSNBC elitists) refer to Palin’s debate as having real “John Cage” potential. I think they meant it in the sense of Cage’s 4’33”, which is nothing but silence. Well, in light of the actual “debate,” there’s another Cage performance/piece/thing that’s eerily relevant: Cage’s “Lecture on Nothing”.

    The “Lecture on Nothing” is a nonsensical and repetitive lecture Cage wrote to challenge the boundaries between speaking and music, or some such crap. And the best part is that the reader is supposed to take questions at the end, to which Cage has already supplied his own non-sequitur answers.

    See for yourself:,M1

    You see, we all thought Palin is an idiot, but it turns out she’s a hyperliterate Cagean performance artist who just blew all our minds.

    Or she’s an idiot. Whatevs.

  • lumpenprole

    [re=120389]Anonymous Office Zombie[/re]:
    “Team of Mavericks.”

    I know! And even if you could sincerely and earnestly dig that phrase at all (in a Chow Yung Fat vs. Mickey Rourke rival bad cop movie, directed by young Scorsese on coke, way, perhaps), it’s just such a desperately absurd rallying cry.

  • Datsun510

    What is it about Apocalypstick’s self-righteousness that makes want to travel all the way to Wallisa and leave a flaming bag of poo on her porch?

  • facehead

    [re=120396]StrangelyBrown[/re]: You’re right, I take it all back; Derrida would be proud.

  • azw88

    [re=120396]StrangelyBrown[/re]: It was Maddow, I believe. I heard that reference to, but I thought she was referring to Cage’s seriously odd stuff, like bolts and nuts laying across piano strngs and/or his atonal (and painful to the ears) music.

  • OKLAHOMAjesus?

    Rollins was sooooo in the tank for Sarah! That fucker gave her a point before anyone said a word!

  • Datsun510

    [re=120394]The Hispanic Buddy Holly[/re]: Right! I said, “It’s not fair to give me an erection when I’m busy trying to hate you!”

  • Quietly

    Her close proximity to Russia must be the real reason why they’re a county full of alcoholics. Fuck knows I’d drink myself to death if I had to wake up every morning to that mess as my neighbor.

  • Slim

    They’re totally gonna get elected. So fucking depressing.

  • druranium

    Ken, you are a fellow californian and you are drinking late tonight!
    I feel right at home here.
    p.s. palin got really weird and robot like tonight. It was really sad to watch and I usually just hate the bitch.
    say hi to the desert for me.

  • Scooter

    Listening to Caribou Barbie’s interminable ‘answers’, I think I finally figured out why she’s spent so much of her life pregnant: She hates periods!!


  • druranium

    [re=120370]Datsun510[/re]: we have been furious ever since she was “tapped”. embarrassed, enraged, outraged, demeaned, sickened, etc. It just goes on and on and on.

  • Petticoatjunction

    Her greasy-haired honky full-of-herself home shopping network pitching fell very flat with the swing state viewers. A little too winky and cutesy for troubled times. Plus she just came off kind of… mean. And for those who enjoy looking for rectangular bulges in debaters’ backs, one appears in the first picture on the HuffPost “French braid” slideshow.

    Now for a week of gambling/lobbyists dirt on Sen. Maverick and Troopergate for Gov. Maverick.
    Oh, and he didn’t even really go to Waziristan!

  • Jukesgrrl

    [re=120370]Datsun510[/re]: I read it before, but it’s OK. It bears repeating. And just for the record, I want to beat her over the head with a dictionary just because it would be fun.

  • hoboking

    That woman is a bile souled anitchrist and if she is elected we will all burn in Confuician Hell – not the nice Christian one with but nine circles, but collectively as a nation in the old school Eastern version with like a million circles and devils that poke our guts with hot iron poker things.

    Now I wanted to say something witty, but after that gosh-pocalypse there is nothing to be said. I am going to finish this bottle of 120 proof absinthe now and read some Seneca.

  • druranium

    the string in her back got jammed up a lot and nobody was there to pull it out for her

  • Vanity Smurf

    Palin-drone. Pull the string and it spits out a random talking point, dontcha know.

  • Jukesgrrl

    [re=120384]StrangelyBrown[/re]: I hate to get serious but it’s the middle of the night and I would like to say “poststructuralist” is a GREAT word for it. The only other word I can think of is “post-Blackberry.” And I would also say she’s challenging much more than just the definition of the word “debate.” She’s challenging the very concept of how we communicate with each other. As in, “I simply don’t give a shit what the topic is, or what you’re talking about; I’m “texting” what I want to say and you’d better be on the receiving end.

    Where is Jacques Derrida when you need him?

  • Jimmyjohn2

    Best palin line from the debate: “John McCain has already tapped me and said, that’s where I want you”

  • BobLoblawLawBlog

    This may be the only time in the last FIVE AND A HALF YEARS I’ve wished myself to be in the U.S., since our pinko asses over here in Europe have to wait to watch the hilarity. In the meantime, I’m going to continue to pretend that Palin actually said the Chevy-Chase-as-Gerald-Ford line: “It was my understanding that there would be no math.”

    So she’s touting their Maverick-ness? Like Tom Cruise? Is that cause she’s wearing heels and likes teh menz?

    Christ, I’m dating myself all over this comment.

  • BobLoblawLawBlog

    [re=120417]Jukesgrrl[/re]: According to Facebook, I am he. And, what? You got a PROBLEM with non-sequitirs or something? Why you got to be so linear in your thinking? Why the hell can’t McDonald’s learn something from In ‘n’ Out and cook a goddamned decent burger?


    I don’t see what George Bush has done wrong, he’s destroying a bunch of people who shouldn’t be in the 1st place. I say the Iraqis are just here to take up space on this planet. They’re not doing anything to benifit us. George Bush is doing a great job where he is. I hope he sends a nuke to Iraq and just wipe that country out of the map. The only thing the Iraqis know how to do is terrorize countries, they’re all terrorists.Ok, I’m going to say it, I think George Bush is good. He’s one of the greatest president ever.. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! he attack Iraq and many Iraqis died.. so what? I hope he bombs Iraq again, I seriously don’t give a crap if the Iraqis die, I hope bush kills them all, bomb the hell out of Iraq. serioulsy I think the Iraqis are nothing but terrorist and George Bush is doing the world a favour by bombing them and killing them. they just like to bomb the hell out of each other, so the Americans attacking Iraq doesn’t really make that much of a difference, they’re just speeding up the process. So I solute George Bush

  • Quietly

    How can anyone possibly think this was a successful debate? There are a few things she DID succeed at doing, but debating wasn’t one of them. And unfortunately it is 6 a.m, so all my snark has evaporated and I can think of no witty way to express exactly what it was she did manage to do well.

    So I’ll just mention that I lived in Jesusland, (Fauquier County), for 5 years. I had a part-time student job for an outspoken business full of bosses and coworkers who made the nuts on Jesus Camp look like about as conservative as Gravel, so after a few years of trying to blend in with neocons I’m usually pretty good at understanding where the far right is coming from. But Palin? I can’t image what people are thinking. Even the most die-hard Republican should be ashamed for watching her performance tonight and not questioning their support in the McCain campaign. I’d be insulted if the party I supported all my life churned out a train wreck like Palin and expected me to vote for her.

  • bitchincamaro

    Keep an eye on the polls; dems are pulling positive numbers in the 5 swing states and should pull even further ahead after this snowjob from Bible Spice. Barry must put balls to the wall at the Walnuts-friendly town-haller next week, though. Sarah will be hunkered down and duct-taped to the radiator for the next 6 weeks.

  • bc

    Absolute failure, train wreck. Pitiful. And thats the nicest things I can think to say about Palin.

  • windupbird

    to continue my comment – not sure if it will post – but imagine winking during a job interview. This debate was like a panel interview, for one of the most important jobs in the world. Completely absurd and disrespectful, just plain dumb.

  • Jan2009

    Also, I think I’m gonna take Palin’s lead and begin and end every sentence with “also.”

  • TackyParker

    Thanks for stopping by TrueChristian. I solute you too.

  • accidental_tourist

    Amused and frightened by the Couric debates, I had been champing at the bit for weeks, ticking off the days until Oct. 2. It wasn’t even political – it was personal. Would a ‘sister’ implode and fall apart on the world stage? I went so far as to rearrange my day and evening schedules so I wouldn’t miss a minute of whatever was going to happen. The hype leading into it was so repetitiously unbearable that I turned off the TV on Monday. Finally, it was time.

    She wasn’t as goofy and Gidgety as she was on Couric – this time she was loud, shrill, winky blinky, fidgety, snobby, and condescending. Now that it’s over, I don’t even understand what all the discussion is about. We crazy Americans.

    But then it’s 6:30 a.m.. The coffee is bold, the sunrise is soft, and everything seems so much easier to put into perspective. I think I’ll leave the TV off a few more days.

    Obama/Biden ’08

  • Captain Swing

    Joe Biden showed himself to be a class act- Knowledgeable, compassionate, experienced and gracious. He even resisted the temptation to reach across and strangle Ms. Moosefart with a microphone cord; an act that, while illegal and would force Senator Obama to find another running mate, would surely have been widely applauded… In the famous words of Andrea Mitchell, he looked Presidential.

    On the other side of the stage was Ms. M. Clueless, daft, and disrespectful to anyone who might dare to actually ask her a question that she hadn’t memorised a phrase to cover. She positively revelled in her ignorance. After nearly eight years of seeing what a complete dullard can do to a country, it’s hard to understand how anyone could seriously consider voting for her, or the jackass who chose her.

    Still, the whole idea of the V.P. Shindig is to avoid major slip-ups, and not to cause a voter stampede to the other side. On that score, they both succeeded- I doubt many people would change their vote based on this. I mean, did it really tell us anything about these candidates that we didn’t already know?

  • swimmy

    [re=120384]StrangelyBrown[/re]: I think I hear Derrida spinning in his grave.

  • Cape Clod

    This was like a game that had a 35 point spread and Biden won 28-10, so it was a victory of sorts for Palin. But Marge Gunderson just managed to make her base feel like she did OK while making everybody else think WTF?

  • Tommy Says Soooo

    [re=120433]Captain Swing[/re]: Win, snark aside. For those who want to parse beyond the “she didn’t drool on herself” meme, Biden ripped her to shreds. When Moosebrain praised Cheney, Gaffey Joe didn’t have to have the red meat rubbed under his nose. Mr. 18% Favorable? You gonna bring that?

    Biden went old-school on her ass. Good on you, Crazy Joe.

  • dano

    [re=120437]Cape Clod[/re]: But Marge Gunderson just managed to make her base feel like she did OK while making everybody else think WTF?

    True. The GOP base might be encouraged, but I don’t think anyone on the fence saw anything to get excited about. Although, anybody undecided at this point is a fucking idiot so maybe she did get the mouth-breather vote.

  • Johnny Zhivago

    Sarah Palin: Where lame talking points meet authentic frontier jibberish.

  • Hunter Gathers

    Maybe now that the ‘debate’ has passed, she’ll go away. Don’t expect her to any real interviews (except wing-nuttia radio and such), and stick to her horseshit stump speeches. I, probably in the minority here, am getting really tired of her. Hell, it’s been 5 weeks since she was picked and I’m running out of way of calling her stupid. She is the political equivilant of Larry the Cable Guy. Her shtick is really, really fucking lame.

  • Tommy Says Soooo

    Twisted Metaphor Dept. (no snark) I had to come up with something about how Crazy Joe was gonna play to people who didn’t know much about him. I came up with the loudmouthed friend you watch the game with in a bar. He’s your pal, but sometimes you’d wish he’d pass out from the Jager.

    Anyway, he’s the type who looks at CC Sabathia and pound the bar and say, “In my day, Bob Gibson was a real pitcher. None of these young guys got the edge he does.”

    “Yeah, yeah,” you mutter. Then you wonder about it and look it up and find out Bob Gibson was so mean he was pegging fastballs into the batters’ peckers in the 60s.

    So you come away with some new-found respect for Old Yeller. It didn’t mean anything to me, natch, but Home Depot Dads was a nice touch. I’d pay ten bucks to see him shred her again.

  • Terry

    [re=120389]Anonymous Office Zombie[/re]:
    “(Also, my new favorite phrase – “Team of Mavericks.”)”

    Isn’t this an oxymoron, sort of like saying a “team of individualists” or a “solo team player”?

    Did you catch the question on what is their Achilles heel? I can’t decide if Palin doesn’t know that that term means or if she just chose to ignore the question entirely.

  • 23 Skidoo

    I’m glad to hear Palin not only has plans to be a part of the executive branch, but the legislative branch as well. WTF? I hadn’t heard about Cheney’s expanded VP powers theory… but I thought Republicans are the party of limited government. Riiiiight.

  • Kittens

    Do you think if Obama speaks in ebonics or jive during the next debate – he’ll have the same “folksy” excuse for giving ‘shout-outs’ and talking like a PussyCat Doll with “dontcha, betcha and ya know”?? My guess is no.

  • Tagg ‘n Trip in 2044

    How the hell am I supposed to know what I think? The lazy/cheap GOP didn’t bother to provide us with any “Winky Wins Debate!” posters on Thursday evening.

  • kmarie08wj

    I don’t understand why Middle America wants a candidate they can “identify” with! Don’t they realize that the majority of them barely made it through high school! What happened to the days when a president was brave, intelligent, and from the upper class?! I know I don’t want some hockey mom/idiot who couldn’t even win a beauty pageant as my next president, should Walnuts choke on his Metamucil.

  • SisterTruth

    1. She didn’t answer half of the questions. It’s a debate. The main point is that you are supposed to answer the questions. She didn’t. Why are we changing the fundamental rules of debating for her? A debate is like a job interview. If you don’t answer the questions, you don’t deserve the job. If you don’t answer the questions, you shouldn’t be declared the winner.
    2. Sarah Palin does not speak grammatically correct English, EVER. Why won’t a single reporter call her on her atrocious grammar, which she displayed throughout the debate? (A black candidate with such horrid grammar would not have a career.) Folksy phrases do not make up for incoherent sentences that are clearly constructed from 5 different talking points that have been lumped together, linked only by the word “also”. Only Tina Fey has addressed this effectively.
    3. Palin constantly relied on her notes. She couldn’t answer a single question without referring to them. She had cheat sheets. Biden didn’t because he didn’t NEED them..
    4. Palin was cute. Biden was presidential. I want a cute dog, not a cute vice-president. Biden won.

  • skyinator

    Good versus Evil.
    She’s Natasha to McCain’s Boris.
    Obama is Rocky and Biden is Bullwinkle.
    Only this time Boris and Natasha are loaded with nukes, not dynamite in a black duffle bag.
    Can our hero save the day? Stay tuned…

  • Gurth LongEye

    Well, you have to kind of give her credit for being able to almost memorize all of those talking points and inserting them into the debate at almost the right times. It’s still disturbing that it’s easier for her to do that than actually think about what she’s saying. Or have a genuine opinion. Or have knowledge of the subject. Or keep from using her winks and tits to get a point across.
    I loved it when she was visualizing in her head the written scripts she’d been given last week and her eyes glazed over and crossed slightly. I used to do that when reciting my Easter speech. Bless her heart.

  • CivicHoliday

    [re=120370]Datsun510[/re]: Yes thank you. Us ladies are definitely outraged.

  • DoctorCulturae

    [re=120477]skyinator[/re]: win.

    But I must mention the elephant in the room…

    Hi there! Golly gee wiz. Why oh why Miss American Pie did ye olde internets have a problem between 10-11pm EST?

    Wowie Mr. Haney! Those there kids say the darndest things doncha know!

  • CivicHoliday

    [re=120402]OKLAHOMAjesus?[/re]: Yeah, Rollins gave her a point every time she said “also”. He was the only CNN debate scorer who gave her a win, and a clear and decisive win at that. Maybe he got one of those patented tattoo lipliner hummers before the show?

  • CivicHoliday

    [re=120423]TRUECRISTIAN[/re]: this is a joke, right? please say yes? pretty please tell me that “true christians” want to fucking kill small middle eastern children en masse?

  • wildeoats

    Who would have thought that Katie is a more skillful interviewer than Gwen? Katie actually asked Caribou Barbie questions that required her to think, which she has demonstrated she is unable to do, while Gwen just asked her questions that she could read from the talking points she’s been copying over on to 3 x 5 cards for the last week in Arizona (with little smiley faces dotting the i’s, dontcha know). When Barbie got lost, Gwen didn’t get her back on point. That would have been “uppity”, I s’pose.

    Also, that fear Sarah detects at soccer games? That’s Alaskan Moms worried about Levi drilling their daughters under the bleachers.

  • accidental_tourist

    I kid you not — I was a city, county, and state beauty queen when I was a teenager. My ex-husband taught me to shoot squirrels, deer, duck, and wild turkeys. We gutted and cooked everything from turtles to bear. I’m an award-winning photojournalist, and was president of the PTA at a private Christian school. I’ve spent a large part of my life on the bleachers at the kid’s baseball, basketball, soccer, choir, gymnastic, horseback riding, and dance recitals/games/shows. I’m in real good shape, have the exact same hair color/length as Sarah, and I’m a power walker. Last month I saved us $3,000 when a rip-off mechanic said we needed a new transmission. After a second opinion, $5 fixed the problem. My son is a Navy officer and has been to the Middle East four times. My two daughters are in their late 20’s, but neither one has been pregnant yet : (

    So can you swear me in now? By golly I wants to single-handedly wipe out all the greed on Wall Street and in Washington, dontcha know? (Because saying I want to do the impossible is sooooooo much easier than answering the simpler questions). Just show me to Dick Cheney’s desk and we’ll get this show on the road, by golly.

    (Dontcha just hate it when you make your own self hurl? It’s so like ewwwwwwwww)

  • rocktonsammy

    She winked at me more than any other woman in my life, did she have something in her eye?

    And said “ya” more than any other woman in life.

  • President Beeblebrox

    Gods, I am still twitching over that debate. When she did the you-go-girl ass shake/head bob while saying “Drill, baby, drill”, I screamed at the TV, causing my wife and dogs to think I was going insane. Maybe I was, because 90 minutes of vapidity is almost too much for one to handle. She came across as a airhead.

    This debate, and the Couric interviews, may have put to rest the notion that just because someone’s a governor they’re a decent executive. For another case in point, go look up the current governor from Biden’s own state, Ruth Ann Minner. She’s a high school dropout who got a GED and ran a tow truck business and can barely string two words together without reading from a statement. Yet, she was elected to two terms (and made hamburger of the state’s economy in the process, but that’s another story). Being governor of a state with a population roughly the size of Milwaukee does not, in and of itself, make one qualified for the second-highest office in the nation.

  • wtf_files

    Oh god, where to even begin. Palin “did well” because everyone expected her to walk out and shit her pencil skirt after the first question. Gwen, imho, was WAY too easy on her — did anyone else notice that all of the follow-up questions Gwen fed her were like those word problems in high school where the trick was to pick up the “context clues”? How I wish Gwen had just asked her “In what ways do you think the office of Vice President has additional constitutional powers?”

    All in all not a game-changer, though — no one came down off the fence. For a preview of the sort of weak praise that even the pros can manage, check out David Brooks’ late-night review. He’s thrilled with how she did because a) she looks “resplendent in black”; b) she spoke calmy (orly?); c) she smiled the whole time. If this is the measure that Mr. Brooks wants to hold our second-in-command to, he deserves the hobo ass-raping that’s coming his way when they get this new Depression on.

    Team of Mavericks — away!!!

  • Steeevyo

    [re=120372]Homo Motors[/re]:

    My answer to that question usually is:

    “My biggest weakness is my perfectionism and loyalty.”

  • DoctorCulturae

    In the immortal words of George Jetson: “Jane, stop this crazy thing!’

  • WPJ

    I am sure that all the bible thumpers will be happy that she mentioned her support for no civil law difference in the treatment of gay and hetero couples.

  • GreatestAmerican

    Sarah Palin vs. Joe Biden: Comedy! Drama! Horror!

    So to watch the debate at the State Theater with Michael Moore and 500 other people, 400 of them who will be voting Obama – Biden, was a lot like watching your College football team beat up on the opposition at your school’s Homecoming game. The crowd roared virtually every time Palin rambled, forgetting for the moment that no one without understanding of complex policy issues should become the leader of the free world – the most powerful decision maker on earth.

    See pics from the Greate Debate Party at this link…

  • YBCsteve

    [re=120527]wtf_files[/re]: I agree. I think we shouldn’t dismiss Palin’s performance, even if it was vacuous.

    The fact is, the VP debate wasn’t the train wreck (or NASCAR pile up) most people were predicting. And while Biden was great, the story of the debate has become, “Palin didn’t screw up”.

    Sure, she might have dodged every question put to her and reverted to talking points, but like it or not that was smart strategy, given her apparent mental faculties….

    Interesting clip here shows a media coach talking about the debate:

    He describes Palin’s “bridging” – seamlessly jumping from the question to the rehearsed talking points.

    We’ve all seen it and it’s frustrating but works for most viewers!

    There must have been some heavy coaching this week!

    Anyway – it allowed Palin to survive and shine (depending on who you ask) as the folksy, fundie, hockey/soccer/whatever mom that the right love to love.

  • Captain Jetsetter

    I shudder at the thought of Vice President Mrs. Gomer Pyle…’Well GOLLY – Jeepers – Gosh Shucks – You Betcha – Shazam, Shazam, Shazam!’

    Surprised she didn’t give a ‘Shout Out’ to Sgt. Carter!

  • ShortShadey

    Ruh-roh! When people aren’t making one short, sarcastic joke after another on Wonkette but are actually engaging in THOUGHTFUL ANALYSIS, you know tha Demz are in trouble! (And I’m a Dem!)

  • weisenheimer

    What’s that phrase? Ah yes. “The soft tyranny of low expectations.” Palin just wants to be our soft tyrant.

  • Kev-O-Tron

    Well gosh darn! That was justa swell debate doggonit! It sure was neato of that mulatto lady to be so derned polite. Will I watch the PBS more now. Oh you betcha!

  • Min

    I thought it was hilariously surreal that she blithely threw the Bush Administration under the bus, while spouting every hackneyed talking point from the Bush platform, whether it was responsive to the damn question or not.

  • checkonechecktwo

    Why does everyone hate us queers so darn much?

  • sarahconnor

    SP is horrible and offensive, Amen. she should not be in politics, she should be hosting a Jerry Springer-style talk show, or Palin Family reality show, and maybe a mooseburger cooking show on the Food Network, and creating a line of down bedding for K-Fart, etc., etc., … and someday I hope she does because that will be real entertaining, dontcha know, and maybe give some hard working Americans jobs in the real economy, such as. I just hope everyone realizes that there are some subtle differences between being a brand spokesperson reality show host and a world leader.

    The End.

  • DoctorCulturae

    [re=120626]sarahconnor[/re]: win

  • aflurry

    Look, I already have a GILF yokel from the northlands fetish, and her name is Margie, from Fargo.

    Why’d you put your friend in the wood chipper, Sarah?

  • Tommy Says Soooo

    [re=120623]checkonechecktwo[/re]: What, with all that disposable income, fashion sense, and nonstop sex? Oh, Andrew Sullivan.

  • Tommy Says Soooo

    [re=120626]sarahconnor[/re]: <<<<<< Hater. You have obviously never paraded around in a swimsuit to be judged and try for a tiara as Princess of the Great White North. That is a world view every bit as valid as yours. Valider, if you consider you only speak English and Our Miss Sarah speaks {{{hugs}}}.

  • aflurry

    OK, check it. SP says the whole anecdote about her not knowing what the VP does was obviously just a joke, and then she immediately proceeds to dive right in and show that she indeed does not know what the hell the role of the VP is as outlined clearly in the constitution.

    And even says she would like to change the constitution to modify the role of the office… misspeaking? that’s a hell of a misspeak, and Biden’s response was great.

  • Tra


    I am left with the painful feeling of having spent two hours in the presence of the World’s Most Annoying Brownie Troop Leader.

    Also, ya know, I know a couple guys from Alaska, and lemmee tell this ta ya, I’ve never heard one of them ever, on any occasion, say “youbetcha.” Dontchaknow.

  • checkonechecktwo

    [re=120647]Tommy Says Soooo[/re]: Yeah, that would be it.

    I’m so mad that WAS-zilla already has a gay friend. I wanted to be it so, so bad. I feel like I could really help with her make-up and self-respect.

  • keepinitrealyo

    Joe Klein, this morning:

    “She had that folksy thing down—although I did notice, watching the squiggly lines down at the bottom of the CNN screen, that when she tried to get cutesy with her folksiness, it didn’t work.”

  • keepinitrealyo

    [re=120474]SisterTruth[/re]: Wait a minute – if you’re saying that the politicians are expected to ANSWER THE QUESTIONS that they’re asked at a debate, I’m going to have to take issue with that. And it was refreshing the Palin flat out admitted it in the first 15 minutes.

  • huffybike

    Funniest line of the night:

  • Datsun510

    [re=120516]accidental_tourist[/re]: I went late into the night posting rants. I’m happy to see people posting ratioal evaluations this morning. And your post shines an important light. This nation is full of women and men abundantly qualified to handle the complex realities of everyday life. You and Sarah Palin and millions of other Americans are in the same circle (no offense intended).

    I don’t hate Sarah Palin. I hate her irrational ambition. The Presidency and Vice Presidency are jobs reserved for the exceptional. Sarah Palin is not exceptional. And George Bush has aptly proven the result of placing someone unexceptional in the job.

  • limama56

    Palin was painful. It was like watching a PTA President speak to the ladies at lunch.

    On that stage, Biden was big. Big with his words, sophistication and expertise.

    In comparison, Palin was small. Not very curious, rehearsed talking points.

  • shellbomber

    Please dispatch Katie Couric to Alaska to find this “diverse” group of family and friends Palin blathered about all night. I want to meet her gay nephew and her black friend that she “tolerates” so well.

  • elementaryteacher

    What I would love to see is when those male Ohio uncommitted voters on CNN go home to their wives/gf’s and have to explain the dial-up on Sarah Palin. Skillet to the head, or just a sad shake of the head and look of pity?

  • sarahconnor

    [re=120655]Tommy Says Soooo[/re]: “Valider”… for a minute I thought you were talking about one of the Lego knights. SP speaks Lego English.

  • lonewolfbear

    Palin was like a tape recorder with lipstick. Or an android designed by the early Woody Allen.

  • zenferretwork

    [re=120423]TRUECRISTIAN[/re]: I solute you right back.

    Crusades for the 21st century! For what President shall we have to pay ransom?

    I feel like such a moran for even replying.

  • Accordion-o-rama

    [re=120423]TRUECRISTIAN[/re]: I’d also like to solute George Bush.
    Perhaps Aqua regia would be the appropriate solvent.

  • zenferretwork

    [re=120623]checkonechecktwo[/re]: Cause you get the butt sex and we don’t.

  • checkonechecktwo

    [re=121149]zenferretwork[/re]: Oh, you’re just not trying hard enough.

  • lazynamepicker

    All the damned winkin’ and flirtin’ from Tinker Bell drove me fuckin’ nuts.

  • Murphious

    Wow, and I thought this was going to have intelligent on-line pros and cons about both sides.
    ….i’ll check back after the elections

  • Beans

    I wouldn’t for that bubble head if she were running for prom queen. Pros and Cons? Biden is intelligent and articulatle, Sarah memorized talking points, read cards and did a skillful job of talking about herself and nothing else.

    There’s no way to have an intelligent discussion of something so laughable, but at the same time tragic.

    And how can David Brooks pretend to any political sophistication if he can find a way to praise this nitwit?

    But you should see the kind of right wing bullshit lies about Obama that get sent around the internet. The wingers just pull this stuff out of their asses and toss it up for the pals to see.

  • Beans

    Did anyone the news tonight–Palin was asked about the campaign pulling out of Michigan and no one had bothered telling her? She says she didn’t read that email.

    And I am so sick of that look-I-didn’t-abort-this-retard prop baby she carries around. How drugged is an infant who is up that late at night and in the middle of all that noise and hubbub and it doesn’t cry?

    BTW–Here in the Bible Belt, it makes me happy to think that the Southern Baptists have to deal with her Joe Six pack line, since they pretend they don’t drink.

  • artofthespa

    Palin’s taking her debate cues from her pageant days! See my advice for her on my blog.

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