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Oh good gravy there is a special election event at the world-famous giant suburban church somewhere. Let us pray about our purpose-driven liveblogging, which could happen, IF THE LORD WILZ IT. Oh it’s starting maybe, let’s find out if it’s on teevee, and who will be president of 22,000 bored people in “Lake Forest, California,” where there’s no lake and no forest.
5:03 PM Pacific Time — This is probably when it started.
5:20 PM — Barack offers Rick Warren a massage and some meth.
5:40 PM — Obama says anyone who isn’t a Christian (like he is) should be sent back to Africa, where the Devil invented Evolution.
6:10 PM — McCain is jabbering about how he worked with Jesus at Annapolis in 2,000 BC.
6:30 PM — “Wh-what is this place, a, uh, a-aircraft c-carrier, heh heh?”
6:50 PM — McCain: “I have f-f-faith I can believe in.”
8:23 PM — Oh come on, like we were going to liveblog this dumb nonsense. It’s bad enough when we put up video clips of Michelle Obama on The View.
8:33 PM — The real liveblogging is here, by the beloved Wonkette Commenters. (Start about here and just keep drinking.)
McCain, Obama meet at campaign religious forum [AFP]
EARLIER: Obama, McCain To Be Interrogated By Goateed Evangelist In Megachurch Isolation Booths
Best. Liveblog. Evah!!
Wormhole? Is this an okie doke from the trickster Q?
Feh, on both of them, Michael Phelps, a nice young man from Baltimore, is awesome.
Why McCain is right:
- failing schools can go to hell
- read my lips, No New Taxes
- Evil Russia is hating on innocent Georgia
Well at least, the evilgelists will have trouble calling O a Muslim now!
Hey, did they change the coffee cup between Obama and McCain? I don’t think so people. I am greatly disturbed.
ALSO: Why did I watch this shit?
Please cover the conventions in the exact same way, Ken. CSPAN can learn a lot from you.
Crap — I knew I missed the liveblogging.
Wait, this election thing’s still going on? I was too busy watching Bulgaria compete in Equestrian Dressage and the Tunisian Prone 50-metre Rifle squad.
In HD.
Who won the pandering contest? Hard to tell, but both Obama and McCain both love Jesus, and both are O.K. with sucking up to a crowd of conservative Christians (it was Southern California, but none of those California stereotypes hold for the conservative enclave of Orange County).
The question about “greatest moral failing” was memorable: for Obama it was, among other trifling things, Drugs. For McCain, the failure of his first marriage (?!?!).
mattbolt: Admittedly, those Tunisian riflists are pretty awesome, but we commenters did a fair job filling in for the absent Wonkette pros.
My takeaway? Hopey looked more the grownup. Walnuts seemed the wacky, drunk uncle that’s trying to get everyone to dive into the pool with their clothes on.
Something like that.
Ugh- this was awful. I had a bad feeling about their first “forum” taking place in a meth-achurch (not my buddy Haggard’s friends?). It was lamer than a ducking preznit.
The tone of the two interviews was the main takeaway: Obie Hopie gave answers that seem like they could’ve been the same in private or in front of a much smaller audience. McInsane was more baldfacedly and yellowtoothedly pandering.
Epic win for the title of Losah!!1!
Oh, who am I kidding. The whole thing sucked. It’s a two percoceter.
Was that the Thrilla from Manilla? Some guy on CNN says McExxon won. Isn’t he a little old to be boxing?
In selecting a forum to go against McAntique, your choice of fora was either before:
A. Scholars at the Kennedy School of Government
B. The editors at the Financial Times
C. The directors of the Carnegie Endowment for Peace
D. Drunken hobos
E. Some unknown neocon and absolute dickhead called Reverend Rick.
Yet your campaign (if not Mark Penn) selected “E’. So it’s time to suck it up and institute “The Night of the Long Knives” within your staff, pander-Barry. No? It’s your loss, not mine, except in some ultimate sense.
— S.
Jukesgrrl: No, you’re kidding! McCain was terrible — his whole schtick was two Vietnam POW stories, his failed marriage (he didn’t enjoy that), we won in Iraq, assorted segments from his stump speech, which degenerated into just throwing Sean Hannity’s bucket o’random catchphrases at every question, a dash of prayer, some lame story, “moment of conception,” one more lame story the end.
The only way he was is that everyone was expecting him to be so much worse than he was, that he defied their expectations. Hopey kicked his butt.
Its like the Miss American pageant when they ask the girl what she would do to improve the world, and she says end world hunger, or whatever. but only for two hours.
Straight women and gay men must click on this picture.
Michael Phelps is 8 for 8.
I’m glad this is not a real live blog because I ran out of wine during the Olympics/Phelps drinking game. Drink every time they mention him.
SayItWithWookies: The sad part is that McMummy was better - at least than I expected. I was really hoping for tottering-drooling-foot-permanently-in-mouth… but that was because I was blocking from my consciousness the sad fact of S.Luggo’s Option E. The line of question and the setting were already a turn off* for me. Obvs not for the ?K who did show up. And McZzzz played right to them with pious, piteous and pitiful stories. He jumped in so fast with “Betrayus” in response to the first question that I wondered if he knew what would be asked.
* I said it around Lewinskigate and I’ll say it again. The president’s job is not to exemplify my morality or be my role model in behavior; her/his job is to do the best for the entire country’s governance. They’re not mutually exclusive, but neither should depend on the other. S/he**’ll be called to make decisions I cannot imagine nor expect to face, and count on resources much beyond mine. Let her/him cope however, as long as the job gets done.
** By “S/he” I mean any US-born individual otherwise qualified for the office (see Constitution, Jefferson et al), with rare exceptions, first and foremost Hillary R. Clinton - because she has shown herself to run a campaign like W runs businesses. Oh, and ‘cuz she pisses me off.
tunamelt: Thanks, the live godbloggin’ was fun but that made my day! Phelps for Jeebus!
Darehead: I would like very much to have crazy hot sex with him, but after that picture and this Olympics, I imagine the competition is a little (forgive me) stiff.
tunamelt: I’ve seen bigger, but there’s nothing quite like a man we all know can perform. Michael Phelps is the American Jesus! Praise the Lord, Hallelujah, Hallelujah!
NotUrEvryDayWEzl: You know he has great rhythm and stamina.
God Phelps us all, Amen.
MargeSimpsonsBlackFriend:
I swear I saw Hopey spit in it just before he got up to leave the stage.
that picture is nasty
wheelie: What?? Boy were you drunk last night.
“I believe US Americans, as such, and the Iraq, as such….”
(thunderous applause)
valobama:
Is that Jesus at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial? When did he serve?
Rev. Juan MessyCan: I, too, got the impression McCain had all the questions before the interview. The answers were too canned, too much like the old man was reciting from memorized talking points.
Yea, the McCain camp got ahold of the questions before this event somehow.
tunamelt: Serolf Divad: Here’s same Jeebus with his wives. Not the VV Memorial. It’s the Memorial for the US global test. They turned themselves into fish to save these United States from the embarrassment of W and Kissingila. They sacrificed themselves for our free-dumbs.
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-03/37226443.jpg
At one point, Mccain DOES ask, “Are we going to talk about Supreme Court justices some more?” or something like that…
Yeah, they had the questions before hand.
Twinkle Twinkle Lil Star: I was wondering about that too cuz it seemed that “some more” seemed out of synch. But I’ll have to get the transcript. McCain seemed to be asking for the questions too — can we talk about Georgia, can we make the questions easier, etc.
Conservative bloggers are calling it for McCain….4 more war years, yuck.
WTF! How many times is John Old-Ass McCain going to say “My friends,”??!!
Darehead: Us male breeders feel left out of the Phelps Pron Orgy. Got any high-res pix of the wife on the left?
Twinkle Twinkle Lil Star: I think Warren had said something like “we’ll get to that later” when McCain brought up the SC.
sati demise: McCain’s answers sounded canned because he just excerpted semi-relevant passages from his stump speech, regardless of their pertinence. Obama actually gave thoughtful answers and took the admonition not to draw from his stump speech seriously — which apparently neither Warren nor McCain did.
SayItWithWookies: I don’t think Pastor Rick admonished McCain as much as Obama on the stump thang.
Globe points out the contrast in their answer to what Christ means to them:
Obama “It means I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and that I am redeemed through Him. That is a source of strength and sustenance on a daily basis. I know that I don’t walk alone. But what it also means, I think, is a sense of obligation to embrace not just words, but also through deeds and expectations that God has for us. And that means thinking about the least of these - acting justly, loving mercy and walking humbly with our God.”
And McCain’s response:
McCain “It means I am saved and forgiven.”
sezme: I’ll check, but for breeding you have to show your fish DNA.
Darehead:
You can’t fool me: that’s Mormon Jesus showing off the Fall ‘08 line of “temple garments” along with his two wives.
Darehead: LATimes has the transcript here: http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/
From my quick search of it, Warren mentions it once to each candidate, but Obama actually picks up on the idea, whereas McCain doesn’t. It’s also in a different place — when talking to Obama (on transcript #2) Warren inserts the reference in the general intro to the section, where with McCain it’s a question within that segment about education. And right afterward McCain blows through a list (without any articulation as to what he means or how he’ll get it done) of conservative education catchwords.
On the whole, Obama was giving thoughtful answers, whereas McCain was just trying to hit as many talking points as possible, even if they made no sense.
Fatfuck Pastor Rick definitely did NOT admonish McCain for the stump speeches as much as he got on Barry’s case about it.
That cunt.
Twinkle Twinkle Lil Star: trollopy cunt.
Have read elsewhere that Obama was ‘mad’ about this forum after the fact. Anyone have a link to this?
I thought is it was surprisingly balanced. However, if you check the realtime online poll at http://www.bop-o-rama.com High Tech Team Obama sure isn’t getting their bops in on McCain. He is getting bopped two to one in this poll For some additional chuckles, Paris is popping up-literally- to paint the White House Pink. I wonder how she would have done in the mega church. Hmmmm….What was her biggest moral failure. I do think McCain comes of with a better sense of humor than Obama. He seems a little quicker on his feet too.
sati demise: CBN (?!) interviewed him after the debate and Obama got peeved about some National Right to Life propaganda saying he supported letting infants born alive being allowed to die. The interview’s only five minutes long, so worth watching.
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/429313.aspx
acarponzo: Wow that was lame. But I can see where hitting your opponent might appeal more to the McCain supporter mentality than to the Obama one.
SayItWithWookies: Grazi, Wookies
acarponzo: Ah yes, you are the Barnum demographic, there is one born every minute. To think that McCains canned answers were really answering the questions asked, instead of memorized snippets of a stump speech, one has to be a bit of a sucker.
btw, my mother lost most of her mind with dementia, except for old memories. Just like McCain. He cant remember the players in Iraq, but he certainly remembers his first wife and his time as a POW. Those jokes and stories were so old they smelled of moth balls. He has been telling them for 30 years.
In fact the story about the POW guard drawing a cross in the dirt may have been lifted directly from the movie Ben Hur.
He has been caught lying about these things before.
Missed it, I was drinking margaritas & eating quesadillas with the political editor of a major American newspaper (OK, major to me) at the time. He also missed it, though he checked his crackberry at least once.
Tunamelt, I’m a straight woman but nonetheless I didn’t want to see the outline of that swimmer’s wiener.
jilly: thank you, Mz. Jilly
acarponzo: sati demise:I certainly got my bops in dearie.sati demise: It did sound as tho he knew he questions. I hope he was briefed reeaally well, not that he knew the questions already. When do we discuss the supreme court? At conception? And those VietNam stories!! Gimme a break. He reminded me of those PTSD guys at my local VA taht go on and on about their time in the “bush”.HHey, that’s a double entendre!! bush=Bush. Iam sooo clever!
wheelie: Evil Russia hating on Innocet Georgia.
I blame Max Cleland, for being such a pussy.
Also, Jane Fonda, for installing her “Georgia Rules”. After seeing those, how could Lindsay Lohan not turn to the loving embrace of Vladimir Putin?
Darehead: They are actually survivors from Atlantis.
sati demise: It’s not about the forum, but Barry tears into McCain on pretty much everything else: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/17/obama.ap/index.html
I know this is sort of a minor point, but I CRINGE every time McCain uses the bear DNA study as an example for frivolous spending. $3 million on a comprehensive biological study is A) not even that much money (compared to, say, all the money Blackwater and Halliburton have siphoned from taxpayers) and B) important in understanding genetic diversity in a macrofauna population, which has implications for land management, climate change, and population viability. It was a GREAT study. He’s just too stupid to understand the science. As are, unfortunately, most of the population of the US. Grrr.
OC Evangelicals = Saccharine
fake, empty, toxic
anyone else still hungover from the MkKain “My Friends” drinking game?
jilly: I hear ya. The cold water swimming gave Him so much shrinkage, ya kinda feel sorry for Him.
Nest. Pastor Rick will televise a 4 hour values forum to ask each candidate what Phelps means to them.
It reminded me of the wresting show on Sunday morning with Paul Bosche when I was a kid in Houston, or Luche Libre now on Spanish TV. In the end the white guy always wins. Whereas in boxing, the darkest skinned dude always wins. I think Hopey should do less wrestling and more fighting.
kellygrrrl: Not hungover enough to repost a comment from the other thread.
Twinkle Twinkle Lil Star: This is kinda interesting WRT whether he knew the questions beforehand:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/17/02247/6361/368/569146
McCain beat Obama all hollow in hypocrisy contest (that experience thingy, I suppose) but Obama get ten points consolation award for agreeing to show up at that worm-wrestle.
Hmm. CNN is now printing Warren’s admission that McCain wasn’t actually in the church for the first half of the chat, let alone in the “cone of silence”.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/17/warren-mccain-did-not-violate-cone-of-silence/
Well, my days of not trusting evangelical pastors are certainly coming to a middle.
Anyone seen Idiocracy? Seriously, the similarity is creeping me out.
Unless that was a documentary?
lawnchair:
Warren told CNN Sunday evening, “we flat out asked him” if he heard any of the questions. The McCain campaign “confirmed that McCain did not hear or see any of the broadcast” in the motorcade or after he arrived, Ross said.
Is that one of those Karl Rove answers that’s designed to get around the idea that maybe someone else listened to the broadcast and fed McCain all the questions? I mean, that’s the kinda shit we used to do in grade school, where Jimmy would steal someone’s lunch and Bobby would hide it, and then when they were asked, one could say he didn’t have it and the other could say he didn’t steal it. This is know known as “Straight Talk.”
found some funny ass comments on last night’s forum:
Bitter Clinger Says:
August 17th, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Senator McCain was superb last evening!!!! His answers were precise, intelligent, knowledgeable via experience, and at times interspersed with an appropriate wit.
This man, Senator Obama, is definitely not ready for prime time!!!!! He absolutely CANNOT (130 votes recorded at “present”) commit to anything slightly controversial. Well, just let me say this: IT IS NOT ABOVE MY PAY GRADE to answer this question and I am on a very minimal monthly income.
I suppose the question was one of Obama’s famous “DISTRACTIONS”!!! Yupe…..a sincere and truthful answer just might “distract”, dissuade, deter, discourage, etc. some voters from pulling the lever for this poor, minimum-wage worker..Senator Obama!!!!
Michael Says:
August 17th, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Give me a break….McCain sounded like some bad B movie actor “I’ll follow Bin Laden to the gates of hell”…Yeah sure, he’ll get lost at the gates of LAX airport……Rick Warren let McCain pontificate on too many issues, especially the war stories….If McCain wants to keep rehashing POW stories, write a God damn book….You don’t deserve to be POTUS because you were a POW…..
McCain does not have the temperment, judgement, & intelligence to be a leader….Furthermore, he’s too socially conservative, as his far right positions on abortion & judges confirmed that beyond a reasonable doubt…
I was already voting for Obama anyways, last night clinched it 200%…..Plus I will make another donation today to the Obama campaign…..
CFB Says:
August 17th, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Thank you. You precisely sum up what I’ve always disliked about Obama. He’s “provincial.” He’s a circa-1980-doctrinaire-multi-culturalist-anti-Reagan liberal. He’s like the Germans who booed the “tear down this wall” speech. No accident that they’re the ones he chose to speak in front of for his coming out party as the President of the World. Wonder why he didn’t choose fledgling little democracies like Georgia, Lithuania, Ukraine or Latvia. Guess Kool-Aid’s not as popular there.
And he hasn’t matured a whit since those long-ago smoke-filled bull sessions at Columbia. It’s like the last 30 years never happened. I don’t think we can afford a president who’s stuck on stupid
This BBC reporter is trying so hard to keep from puking while covering this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7566341.stm
Am I the only person on the internets old enough to know that “beyond my pay scale” means that only God can rightfully say? Geeze. Hand me down my walking cane.
So anyway I was reading the Bible today and back then if you injured a pregnant woman and it resulted in the death of her baby, you had to pay her husband some money because now he won’t have the luxury of having that kid around to use as free labor. Killing an unborn child was not a sin punishable by death, or even a weekend in jail. And nobody seemed to even care how the mother felt about all this. I repeat, killing a child in utero wasn’t a big deal, apparently.
And while we’re on the topic of abortion. Ever notice how some of the far right pro-lifers make exclusions for rape and incest? That is Pro Choice to the highest degree. That embryo is just as pure and innocent as the embryo resulting from a loving married union. Man, talk about playing GOD when it suits your purposes!!
*puts soapbox in the closet till Monday*
accidental_tourist: believe me, I thump the bible harder than most, and I am amazed when “christians” say they are against abortion cuz “thou shalt not kill” but they are all about capital punishment. Judge not lest e but judged, vegeance is mine sayeth the Lord…Etc Etc Etc
Read my new book, The Vomit In the Back of My Throat Driven Life
The Holy Goateed One should have asked about McCain about VicoCindy’s chance at the Buffalo Chip Girl trials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVQHJd_3J7g
Warren would probably frown upon a potential first lady fellatin a banana in a 69. ..maybe, maybe not.
lawnchair:
I am not surprised. Maybe McCain gave Warren an envelope that “may or may not have $100K in cash” before the inquisition.
(I apologize for lack of snark. When I care about something this deeply, I’m no fun. Sorry)
How soon, how SOON we forget 2000 when it was Bush and Kerry. These exact same conversations were taking place - Bush was a quick decider, a quick-draw Texan, and therefore “smart” (GAG ME), and Kerry would want to “discuss” things first, so of course that made him weak.
Flash forward six, seven, eight years to the lessons we have learned, and listen to our top generals tell us that this is a war that can’t be won militarily, it has to be won with negotiation.
Ok boys and girls, there’s a LESSON here. What is it?
Who’s weak now? Who squandered our nation’s wealth and lives of thousands of young men and women now? Who’s dumb now? For the love of God and all that’s holy, LEARN SOMETHING FROM THE PAST EIGHT YEARS and don’t be fooled by an old egotist who thought the Rick Warren discussion was really a child’s game of whoever answers first and shortest is the winner. We have LIVES at stake.
Besides, Rick Warren is CFR, whose goal is to use war and religion for one-world order. Go ahead and laugh - they said NAU was a conspiracy theory too, now it’s old hat news.
NOW I’ll put away the soapbox. Thank you for your time.
SayItWithWookies: Warren told CNN Sunday evening, “we flat out asked him” if he heard any of the questions. The McCain campaign “confirmed that McCain did not hear or see any of the broadcast” in the motorcade or after he arrived, Ross said.
“Is that one of those Karl Rove answers that’s designed to get around the idea that maybe someone else listened to the broadcast and fed McCain all the questions?”
I agree. If there is one thing we’ve seen since 1992, more or less roughly, is that the Republicans will do anything necessary to beat the opponent, and the Democrats - generally, with exceptions - take the moral high road and act as if by doing so the other side will also come around.
liquiddaddy: “I think Hopey should do less wrestling and more fighting.”
Amen! If Barry Half-White is the Great Uniter, then he needs to take a page from Rove and start boxing more, wrestling less - one, two, KO…again and again and again. Don’t Kerry that joint, Barry!
accidental_tourist: duh… what is CFR and NAU? It’s late nite so I can reveal my idiocracy
valobama: Ack, I typed 2000 was Kerry/Bush and that truly was a typo. Sorry (but Bush/Gore 2000 was still pretty much the same Rovarian song and dance).
What’s CFR and NAU? It’s late, and I’m tired, so I’ll let Phyllis Schlafly explain it. You can’t get more right-wing Christian, there’s-no-such-thing-as-conspiracy-theories, politically conservative than Phyllis. And even she gets it.
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2005/july05/05-07-13.html
I’ve kinda liked her ever since she told it like it was back when Huckabee was in the running: “Phyllis Schlafly, president of the national Eagle Forum, is even more blunt. “He destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party a shambles,” she says. “Yet some of the same evangelicals who sold us on George W. Bush as a ‘compassionate conservative’ are now trying to sell us on Mike Huckabee.”
*trying desperately to think of some snark worthy of the space i’ve taken up, and just too tired. Good night!
Oh look — not only did McCain use his Vietnam guard/sign of the cross story in an ad before, but he might’ve adapted it from Alexandr Solzhenitsyn:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Did_McCain_ad_lift_cross_in_0817.html
So I clicked the above link and apparently CFR =Council on Foreign Relations. NAU according to the googlez could be Northern Arizona University, though it’s probably the North American Union. Whatever. Less Wonk, more Wonkette pleez!
sezme: accidental_tourist: Basic knowledge of CFR/NAU is a prereq for Paultardation 101, and Wonkette is the *bestest* authority on da Paultards, so I highly recommend you edumacate yer-selves on this dis stuff, ’specially beforez the Revolution come this Labor Day. You can also find the indoctrination on any of the Paultard sites, which includes the big daddy of them all, the John Birch Society, and the extreme Christian version, the Paultard-blessed Constitution Party (which fuses the meaning of Christ with the US Constitution; they are the same thing, right?) and any and all of the “sponsors” on the Rally for the Republic site. There’s also a number of standard Paultard propaganda films like Loose Change, Endgame etc. And the most mainstream mouthpieces for this conspiracy shit are Lou Dobbs, Pat Buchanan, and more recently Jesse Ventura and Jerome Corsi. BYOB or whatever drugs you might need to dull the pain.
http://rally.campaignforliberty.com/sponsors/
Anyone read Kristol? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/18/opinion/18kristol.html?ex=1376798400&en=b5285cf7df5726f0&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
Ick. Ick. And super-ick.
I didn’t know it was possible to viscerally hate someone I’d never met before. To the point where I’d like to perform physical violence on them.
expatinOz: Wow, that was schlocktastic. Kristol’s allegedly a thinker, and yet he concluded that the most telling difference was their answer to whether evil exists and what to do about it? Will someone please get Kristol and Rove and Cheney and anyone else who wants one some Robin outfits so they can go fight this evil they’re so fond of talking about? It’s like Marvel Comics fans vs. reality. Let’s hope reality makes a comeback.
And had Ken Layne seen no turtles and/or squalor this week?
Am I the only one who noticed McCain did not have on a flag pin?
Does he hate our troops?
I am from the real Lake Forest, and feel the same about Lake Forest, CA as I do about this debate. LF, IL forevs, peoplz.
This was a huge pain in the ass. I come back from vacation and there are two love birds sguawking about the same shit on the tele. BLAH. It’s hurting the tan.
shortsshortsshorts: You took a vacation when this American nation needs you? Why do you hate the troops, America, the Constitution and Michael Phelps?
SayItWithWookies: I know, right? Bring on The Benighted West, Layne–I can’t go to sleep without visions of meth-addled desert rednecks anymore.
Darehead: You’re mixing your conspiracy theories, and this is one thing that really bums me out. I consider myself a left-winger - perhaps not as much of a left-winger as I was 30 or 35 years ago, but nonetheless, solidly left of center. However, in the run-up to the Iraq War, it seemed like all opposition to it was coming from the right - the left wing had pretty much disappeared. So,I became a regular reader of Antiwar.com and Pat Buchanan.
Now, you’re calling “Loose Change” a Paultard film, as if you have to be a right wing nutcase to believe that people in positions of power inside the U.S. government would be willing to and capable of knocking down a couple of buildings and killing a few thousand innocent people just to give themselves an excuse to go to war with Iraq and steal all their oil.
You do not need to be a right-winger to believe that. I believe, in fact, that the evidence is overwhelming. Even the law of Occam’s razor supports the inside job hypothesis.
Just because some Paultards have seen (and agree with)Loose Change does not make it a Paultard film. Adolf Hitler’s favorite film was “King Kong” but that doesn’t make it a bad film.
Too bad none us of got to see the real question/answer session with Rev. Warren and John McCain:
Warren: So John, you ever been in a church?
McCain: F.U.
Warren: Can you use the word “God” in a sentence?
McCain: God damn it.
Warren: Can you spell “JESUS”?
McCain: G-E-E-Z-U-S, as in “Geezus f***ing Christ”.
Warren: What is your greatest moral failure?
McCain: Did my c*nt wife tell you to ask me that question?
Warren: Speaking of your wife, do think it was a good idea trying to get her to enter a topless beauty contest when you were at that Harley-Davidson rally last week?
McCain: Sure, after all, Christianity is based on the “Nude” Testament, right?
Warren: Ha ha, very funny. So, what is your message for Evangelical voters, John?
McCain: There’s no way in hell you are voting for me, so F.U.
Kind of scary to me that, other than the idiotic theocracy questions (to be expected in a religious forum - but what ever happened to “no religious test” for public office?), that Jeebus fatso’s interviews were considerably more substantive than anything we’ll see in the “debates” or from the MSM stooges that will interview the candidates. I can’t believe I just wrote that.
Oh, and Barry totally made the Republican National Committee’s #1 commerical of the month of October with the “above my pay grade” line. I literally gasped when he said that. D’oh.
gurukalehuru: “…as if you have to be a right wing nutcase to believe that people in positions of power inside the U.S. government would be willing to and capable of knocking down a couple of buildings and killing a few thousand innocent people just to give themselves an excuse to go to war with Iraq and steal all their oil.”
Examples abound. Reichstag fire, Gladio in Italy, Brebant in Belgium, and in 1999, Ryazan in Russia, a state-sponsored false flag operation that killed civilians, allowing a naked power grab by Putin. I was positively delighted to see the Ryazan incident finally reported on TV the other night, because it’s previously been the exclusive province of bloggers and wackos.
Now, Yanquis will be quick to say, “Yeah, but that was Germany and Italy and Belgium and Russia. Such things don’t happen here.” Such chauvinistic ignorance and apathy serves the puppet masters well, to the detriment of citizens who cannot bring themselves to peer into the looking glass. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to say “It can’t happen here.” People who disbelieve need only listen to more Frank Zappa.
BTW: Rick Sanchez had Pastor Rick on CNN last night and noted that while the Pastor had promised each candydate would be secluded in a cone of silence to prevent them hearing what the other had said, McCain wasn’t even in the building when Hopey hit the stage. Warren admitted this was true, giving credence to suppositions here and elsewhere [my living room] that McCain answered the questions so quickly because he knew what would be asked. It’s George Will stealing Jimmy Carter’s debate briefing book and giving it to Reagan, all over again….
It’s just a good thing that cheaters never prosper, right?
gurukalehuru: Canuckledragger: I put them all together because they appear all together in all the Paul-supporting blogs, websites, etc i’ve seen, and because actually, I know quite a few Paul supporters. I have heard there are a few such as Martin Sheen who support so-called 9/11 troofers but not Paul–I think those guys must be few though.
But hey, I feel for you if you were looking around for antiwar stuff circa 2001-2003; I happened to be around antiwar people (and pro-war people too) and knew where to go, but yeah, the US was full of Hillary/Sept 12 Republicans. For antiwar blogs in business after 9/12 this has been one of my faves:
http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/courses/ed253a/blogger.php
Conspiracies and lies happen, no doubt. Gulf of Tonkin and others. But when it comes to whatcha gonna do about it–I do not support blaming a conspiracy of a singular world government trying to take over the planet with alphabet soup organizations such as CFR, NAU etc., closing up the borders,; stockpiling guns and worshipping the Constitution like it is (and some really believe it is) the same thing as Christ. This is what is so troubling about Paul-Buchanan-Dobbs etc. — their package deal on everything.
If you can make the case 9/11 was an inside job but not connected to a singular Anti-christy NAU/CFR conspiracy, by all means get your word out.
Rick Warren is fat.
“Like we were going to liveblog this dumb nonsense.”
Excuse me? 24 hours ago, this very page referred to it as “this horseshit!” SELF CENSORSHIP!
I DEMAND Wonkette return this text to its previous deliciously profane state. THIS INSTANT!