DAILY BRIEFING  8:56 am June 17, 2008

People They Ain’t No Good

by Sara K. Smith

  • “While it would be hard to categorize him as a doctrinaire Republican or conservative, Mr. McCain appears to have ceded some of his carefully cultivated reputation as a maverick.” [New York Times]
  • A new poll detects an “enthusiasm gap” for Senator McCain but finds him running about even with Barack Obama among independent voters. [Washington Post]
  • A Senate investigation found that top Pentagon brass were more involved than they at first said they were in coming up with the horrifying interrogation techniques used at Guantanamo. [Washington Post]
  • Gay marrieds in California try not to make their weddings look too gay. [Los Angeles Times]
  • Many Congressional leaders lost hundreds of thousands of dollars last year, and are still vastly wealthier than the people they represent. [The Hill]
  • Barack Obama spoke at length with the Wall Street Journal about his economic plan, which you can go read while your editor makes coffee. [Wall Street Journal]
 
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Lazy Media June 17, 2008 at 9:04 am

With any luck, this whole Gitmo atrocity will come back to bite John Ashcroft in the behind, or at least the wallet. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/washington/17scotus.html?ref=us. Now, if we can just spread the liability to Cheney and Gonzalez.

EnBuenOra June 17, 2008 at 9:06 am

“While it would be hard to categorize him as a doctrinaire Republican or conservative, Mr. McCain appears to have ceded some of his carefully cultivated reputation as a maverick.”

I suppose that there are rather different standards these days for being a “doctrinaire Republican or conservative”.

McCain supported Bush Jr. 95% of the time, but that’s somehow a departure from doctrinaire.

I guess to be a “doctrinaire” Republican or conservative, you actually have to be part of a giant, fungal, colonial organism which speaks with one voice in some horror movie creepy harmony, maybe with the traditional pointing of fingers and wide eyed open mouthed screaming thrown in to boot.

ronaldpagan June 17, 2008 at 9:09 am

HOW does Bush have a 29% approval rating and independents are still leaning towards McCain? Anyway, the poll said people who care about the economy are leaning toward Obama, which means Hopey will win in the end.

FMA June 17, 2008 at 9:10 am

“Doctrinaire Republican”?
Is that some sort of euphemism for someone whose mother never stopped drinking when she was knocked up?

ManchuCandidate June 17, 2008 at 9:10 am

It’s too bad that Congress didn’t listen to Dick Cheney’s financial adviser. Buncha losers. He said, “GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE US STOCK MARKET!” at the beginning of 2007 and said that it would not be good for at least till 2009. Cheney might be one of US America’s all time evilest shits, but I think I’d listen to his stock broker for good financial advice than say Jim “Buy Bear And Stearns with Confidence, it’s a bargain!” Kramer.”

upperleft June 17, 2008 at 9:12 am

Close to half the people say they will vote for McCain but aren’t to excited about it? More than half are excited about voting for Obama? It’s June. This is going to be easy.

ronaldpagan June 17, 2008 at 9:20 am

“The more that homosexual activists wave their hijacked marriage licenses in people’s faces, the more people will say, ‘This isn’t right. . . . What can I do about this?’ ” said Randy Thomasson, the founder of the Campaign for Children and Families.

Ew. That sucks that gay people have to think about how their own weddings will be used against them.

bitchincamaro June 17, 2008 at 9:25 am

What? The Senate’s determined that Pentagon bigs were
involved in Gitmo torture? Great. This is as timely
as Gore’s endorsement of Obama.

ronaldpagan June 17, 2008 at 9:26 am

From the NYT McCain/Bush comparison:

Tax breaks Mr. Bush opposes a windfall profits tax on oil companies. Mr. McCain has voted against similar taxes in the past, but this month he said he was “angry at the oil companies not only because of the obscene profits they’ve made but at their failure to invest in alternate energy.”

What an impressive difference! Bush is blatantly evil and McCain bullshits a lot but is also evil. Too bad he always votes against tax breaks for people investing in alternative energy, or we’d all be way more impressed.

[re=17522]upperleft[/re]: We need the enthusiasts but we also need the ones who are going to grit their teeth and vote for any Democrat. They’ll come around. And hopefully get more enthusiastic.

Darehead June 17, 2008 at 9:30 am

Sarah, I don’t blame you for postponing coffee until after you had to look at that photo of Rummy.
It’s been a while since we’ve seen that!

Interesting that other articles use the expression “up the chain of command”:
The FBI’s evidence of “war crimes” went up the chain of command, all the way to the White House….
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/052208.html

…whereas the WaPo said “down the chain of command”:
top Pentagon officials began assembling lists of harsh interrogation techniques in the summer of 2002 for use on detainees at Guantanamo Bay and that those officials later cited memos from field commanders to suggest that the proposals originated far down the chain of command [to Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush]…

I guess it makes sense to think of Rummy, Dick and Bush way DOWN the barrel, as the rottenest of the apples, descending further and further into the inferno….

norbizness June 17, 2008 at 9:31 am

After all, that’s what being a maverick is all about: fastidious image control and glad-handing the corporate press.

Q2 June 17, 2008 at 9:31 am

“Gay marrieds in California try not to make their weddings look too gay.”

Gays: America’s last niggers. Please don’t take that away too. If you do, who will be left to hate?

ronaldpagan June 17, 2008 at 9:33 am

[re=17525]bitchincamaro[/re]: Right? I haven’t been so surprised since that study about how the prison system is worse for black people.

Q2 June 17, 2008 at 9:38 am

[re=17529]Q2[/re]: Homosexuality as “personal Choice.” Hmmm, let me think this one out a spell. Well…I could stick ma dick in Miss Stephanie Seymour…or I could stick my dick in Delbert’s ass…hmmm…well sheet…I gotta cross dat damn street to stick my dick in ‘ol Steph…but Delbert’s right here next to me. Hmmm…DeWayne be goin’ homo today…it’s just damn easier dontchaknow!

wheelie June 17, 2008 at 9:42 am

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, chief economic aide to Republican candidate Sen. John McCain, dismissed the Obama strategy as “classic industrial policy which shows a lack of faith in private markets.” – WSJ

For shame. After the great economic successes of recent years, from Enron to sub-prime mortgages, sure the Dems must learn just to have faith in the market, and everything will be fine.

[re=17524]ronaldpagan[/re]: True. Gorgeous couple in the LAT photo, by the way. Congratulations, guys!

disgustedcitizen June 17, 2008 at 9:43 am

“Senate investigation found that top Pentagon brass were more involved than they at first said they were in coming up with the horrifying interrogation techniques used at Guantanamo.”

Damn I did not see that coming! Who would have thought that people like Rumsfeld would be involved in something like that?

ronaldpagan June 17, 2008 at 9:59 am

[re=17532]Q2[/re]: This cannot be said enough: if you think homosexuality is a choice, you are GAY GAY GAY. Or at least BI BI BI.

Servo June 17, 2008 at 10:04 am

I’d be financially better too if my healthcare was paid by taxpayers.

bago June 17, 2008 at 10:22 am

[re=17529]Q2[/re]: Those Goddamned Dirty Fucking Hippies, of course. You know, those freaks that enjoy sex rather than laying down and taking it, as per the advise of one McCain fundraiser.

PJ June 17, 2008 at 10:32 am

‘A Senate investigation has concluded that top Pentagon officials began assembling lists of harsh interrogation techniques in the summer of 2002 for use on detainees at Guantanamo Bay…’

‘The sources said that memos and other evidence obtained during the inquiry show that officials in the office of then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld started to research the use of waterboarding, stress positions, sensory deprivation and other practices in July 2002…’

‘The reported evidence…also shows that military lawyers raised strong concerns about the legality of the practices as early as November 2002, a month before Rumsfeld approved them.’

Sesame Street clips illustrating the meaning of BEFORE and AFTER went tragically unheeded by the Bush administration.

gurukalehuru June 17, 2008 at 10:36 am

Enthusiasm gap? Hell, if he was a sitcom, he’d have been canceled by now.
I loved the part of the article where they discussed what percentage of conservatives over 65 were “enthusiastic” about McCain’s candidacy. I’ve seen what passes for “enthusiasm” at that age. I’m not worried.

jjgiddes * June 17, 2008 at 10:44 am

@wheelie:

And, if I’m not mistaken, I see the liver-spotted hand of dear old creepy Rupert Murdoch all over that article:

“Sen. Obama cited new economic forces to explain what appears like a return to an older-style big-government Democratic platform skeptical of market forces.”
(Dog-whistle time!)

“Sen. Obama’s nod to lowering corporate taxes comes as Republicans have been attacking him for proposals that would raise the cost of doing business, such as his pledge to raise the tax rate on capital gains, and his vow to increase the top income-tax rates, which are often used by small, unincorporated enterprises.”
(Are both capital gains AND top income levels used by small, unincorporated enterprises? Really?)

“Sen. Obama regularly compares the energy effort to President Kennedy’s project to rocket a man to the moon in the 1960s. But the record of using government funds to produce big breakthroughs in commercial technology is spotty at best. The few projects that have succeeded were often small and aimed at limited research goals.”
(Huh. That’s interesting. Maybe if I had some kind of track record to look at in this article… huh, there’s the next paragraph about Carter… and that’s indicative of the entire federal effort behind commercial technology? Wow, I never knew.)

Is it time to put scare quotes around the WSJ’s news division?

jjgiddes * June 17, 2008 at 10:45 am

@ Servo:

Why don’t you have faith in market forces?

slavojzizek June 17, 2008 at 11:02 am

Do gay marrieds-to-be get gay wedding planners, like the one in the Sex and the City movie? What if one of the engaged couple sleeps with him? Imagine the hijinx!

AxmxZ June 17, 2008 at 11:11 am

[re=17552]ronaldpagan[/re]: I choose to be gay for Rachel Maddow.

AxmxZ June 17, 2008 at 11:14 am

[re=17579]jjgiddes *[/re]: I find all this odd. Isn’t Murdoch out himself as sort-of pro-Obama? He sure has a funny way of showing it…

slavojzizek June 17, 2008 at 11:15 am

[re=17579]jjgiddes *[/re]: As a small, unincorporated enterprise, let me just say, definitely not.

TGY June 17, 2008 at 11:17 am

Doesn’t matter if McCain’s supporters give a damn about him. What matters is whether they vote or not. They’re not going to vote for Hopey.

I find it depressing that Kerry had the same stats vs. Bush about this time in 2004, taking into account the stature of the two candidates then compared to now. If we elect McCain, we’ll damned well deserve him.

jjgiddes * June 17, 2008 at 11:24 am

[re=17623]AxmxZ[/re]: That’d be interesting. I’m actually curious, if he did out himself. I always thought he’d outed himself for Hillz as part of honoring her deal with Satan, which is an entirely different animal. (Sitting down with minor demons like Scaife was all part of the package, apparently.)

As for the WSJ, I figure the conflict between their actually-great-at-one-time journalism division and their couple-sandwiches-short-of-a-picnic editorial department couldn’t have simmered for long. When the subtle editorializing even spread to their movie reviews, it couldn’t have been long for dear old Rupert to assert himself over the entire operation, silly demurrals to the contrary notwithstanding.

Servo June 17, 2008 at 11:53 am

[re=17580]jjgiddes *[/re]:
Well, the market is mood-based, and two of America’s favorite moods are fear and greed. Understanding the ramifications of both would help dampen the all-to-frequent balloon and burst cycles of late. JFK’s “Ask not” speech certainly applies today. We need to curb our individual wants and concentrate on society’s needs, or we’ll all perish. We have an energy crisis, a dollar in a tail-spin, a rotting infrastructure, appalling healthcare, and on and on. Ignoring the problems to better our portfolios is NOT sound investment.

jjgiddes June 17, 2008 at 12:02 pm

[re=17668]Servo[/re]:

There you go getting all earnest when I clearly need sarcasm tags. (So I guess you *don’t* believe in the Church of the Almighty Visible Hand?)

And I thought two of America’s favorite moods were:

“Damn, I need a donut”
“Damn, do they have to have such tight shorts in American Gladiators?”

(Yes, I agree. Or, to put it more simply: we’re all in this together.)

jjgiddes June 17, 2008 at 12:04 pm

[re=17685]jjgiddes[/re]:

INvisible Hand.

(Although the hand is definitely visible these days, fisting everyone without the decency of lubing up first.)

Servo June 17, 2008 at 12:36 pm

[re=17685]jjgiddes[/re]:
I got the sarcasm. I just get carried away because I live on an island in the sea of stupidity that is Upstate New York.

Accordion-o-rama June 17, 2008 at 2:34 pm

[re=17529]Q2[/re]: Atheists.

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