• May 25, 2012
HILLARY CLINTON

June 9, 2008

Paul Krugman, For The Love Of God, Get Over Yourself

by Jim Newell  

How did tenacious Hillary Clinton supporter and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman congratulate Barack Obama’s nomination? He didn’t! “Fervent supporters of Barack Obama like to say that putting him in the White House would transform America,” Krugman opens today’s column. “With all due respect to the candidate, that gets it backward. Mr. Obama is an impressive speaker who has run a brilliant campaign — but if he wins in November, it will be because our country has already been transformed.” Uh oh! It seems we’re dealing with a douchebag here.

Oh… oh my:

Let me add one more hypothesis: although everyone makes fun of political correctness, I’d argue that decades of pressure on public figures and the media have helped drive both overt and strongly implied racism out of our national discourse. For example, I don’t think a politician today could get away with running the infamous 1988 Willie Horton ad.

Unfortunately, the campaign against misogyny hasn’t been equally successful.

By the way, it was during the heyday of the baby boom generation that crude racism became unacceptable. Mr. Obama, who has been dismissive of the boomers’ “psychodrama,” might want to give the generation that brought about this change, fought for civil rights and protested the Vietnam War a bit more credit.

Anyway, none of this guarantees an Obama victory in November. Racial division has lost much of its sting, but not all: you can be sure that we’ll be hearing a lot more about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and all that. Moreover, despite Hillary Clinton’s gracious, eloquent concession speech, some of her supporters may yet refuse to support the Democratic nominee.

Another fundamental trait of the baby boom generation: self-obsession.

It’s a Different Country [NYT]

{ 74 comments }

shortsshortsshorts June 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm

Krugman is certainly a disgrace for botched post-war test tube babies everywhere. Shame.

Electric Zen June 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm

A common theme with Clinton supporters is they constantly want to have a discussion of “Which is worse? Racism or sexism?”

Also known as “the stupidest fucking debate in the world.”

Cicada June 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm

A boomer that thinks his generation is the most important group of the twentieth century?
I’m shocked.

Hart88 June 9, 2008 at 3:05 pm

So racism was solved in the 60′s, but Hillary lost because sexism made her hire Mark Penn.

Got it.

Serolf Divad June 9, 2008 at 3:05 pm

Hey, take it easy on Kruggie… I’ve heard it from well placed sources that he’s actually Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton’s love-child. (Yes, you heard that right… any product of a sexual Liason between Bill & Hillary counts as a love-child).

Inadequate Blackmail June 9, 2008 at 3:07 pm

I forgot that LBJ was a baby boomer. Thanks for reminding me, Krug.

upperleft June 9, 2008 at 3:07 pm

Look who is talking about self-obsession.

DoctorCulturae June 9, 2008 at 3:08 pm

Waa! It’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to! Enough about me, how about me!

Brilliant observation about Hilz support-hos. Some people will vote for John McFlame, some will vote for Barr, some will take a doo in the loo.

lumpenprole June 9, 2008 at 3:08 pm

Replace Willie Horton with Osama bin Laden. Presto. America’s back!

casinomike June 9, 2008 at 3:08 pm

[re=11194]Serolf Divad[/re]: Has anyone told Chelsea about this yet?

slavojzizek June 9, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Stop criticizing Krugman. No one can dispute that another Willie Horton ad, or telling your supporters that your opponent may be a Muslim or a Farrakhanite, would never fly today. Unlike Obama’s “Hillary Nutcracker” ad, which he rode to the nomination.

Uncle Al June 9, 2008 at 3:10 pm

“Articles We Never Finished Reading” Department:

“…despite Hillary Clinton’s gracious, eloquent concession speech…”

It might have been gracious 4 months ago…

Rev. Peter Lemonjello June 9, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Paul,

The boomer generation also brought us Disco and Melanie Griffith, so………..fuck off.

Yours in Christ,

Rev. PL

Baiowulf June 9, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Wait, I’m confused and disoriented, almost as if drug, when did Paul Krugman abuse this 13 year-old girl? And why is there a picture of her teddy bear at the top of the page? Guess I have to watch HBO to find out!

Johnny_Zhivago June 9, 2008 at 3:13 pm

I hear Krugman listens to ABBA all day long.

McStinky June 9, 2008 at 3:15 pm

This makes no sense. Obama is the college professor’s candidate. I think he did better among college professors than he did among African Americans.

It’s inexplicable, unless something like the following happened.

Harvard Party (or something), circa 2005

Krugman, smiling, thinking to himself: ‘Any minute now that Barack Obama is going to come over and talk to me’

Obama, oblivious to Krugman: Goes and talks to Orlando Patterson instead.

Krugman, miffed in a way he will never admit to himself, leaves party, stung by Obama’s failure to (a) recognize him or (b) care that it was HIM.

College professors have the longest memories known to mankind of the tetchiest egos. Fifty bucks says Obama snubbed him at some point or failed to pay sufficient fealty of one kind or another. Or picked someone else to be his economic advisor intead of the Krug. Whereas Hillary just got it–she got Kruggie’s greatness.

Man’s now out for REVENGE.

Slutty_Chola_Cobbler June 9, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Hillary Clinton and her ilk have successfully contributed to the dumbing down of America – a task I had only attributed to Karl Rove, Limpbaugh, Insanity Hanity, Shemale Coulter and the rest of their turd crew..

The woman lost! Why is this about her and not about the Country?? Seriously…

dearest June 9, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Fuck him.

floraway June 9, 2008 at 3:18 pm

Despite the fact that he is a liberal economist, Krugman really wants to see McCain elected. Which makes sense… right?

John McClain June 9, 2008 at 3:23 pm

John McCain met Adam Smith, and received an invisible handjob he will never forget.

medievalist June 9, 2008 at 3:24 pm

I’m glad those hard-working white people have driven both overt and strongly implied racism out of our national discourse. Ass.

anamericaninlondon June 9, 2008 at 3:26 pm

While they may have been the ones who “fought civil rights” they were also the ones that blew up buses carrying mixed race passengers… that street goes two ways.

metropolitan June 9, 2008 at 3:27 pm

hillary really ruined a lot of good reading for me. i can no longer read paul krugman, gail collins or salon’s joan walsh.
i guess i do have to thank hillary for exposing how some classic liberal writers can be as self deluted and self righteous and fox news.

tsunami June 9, 2008 at 3:28 pm

he sucks.

sounds like something written by a C student
at an eletist college.

graceless June 9, 2008 at 3:30 pm

If HRC knew sexism was bad, why’d she keep Mark Penn while firing Patti Doyle?

Magsbe June 9, 2008 at 3:31 pm

So is that Obama’s problem with old white people? He doesn’t pander to the Boomers’ egos enough?

You would think Boomers would have caught on by now that no other generation likes them.

Harvey Birdman June 9, 2008 at 3:32 pm

I will ignore this and continue to think about fucking him. At least he’s not shilling for McCain, like the other Hilltards I know.

Slutty_Chola_Cobbler June 9, 2008 at 3:32 pm

A lot of people are trying to mask the fact that they don’t want the “black guy” in office.

Think about it! If Hillary and Barack had similar agendas, then why can’t these people vote for Barack??

How come cries of sexism only came about when Hillary was literally losing? The way she trashed Barack was disgusting, no one complained about that.

Sexism had nothing to do with her losing, if anything her being white helped her tremendously in places like OH, KY, WV, and PA, especially when she started talking about her communication skills with “Hardworking Whites”. I guess Elitest Barack has the Lazy white votes!

Mo MoDo June 9, 2008 at 3:33 pm

Mr. Obama’s nomination wouldn’t have been possible 20 years ago.

Yeah, because he was 27 at the time. Talk about unprovable hypotheticals.

AngryBlakGuy June 9, 2008 at 3:33 pm

…Sexism sucks, Racism sucks now shut the fukk up and move on! Its ironic(and sad) that the embodiment of sexism and racism is able to sit on the sidelines and watch as a woman and a African American argue over whom was the most mistreated by him!

StrangelyBrown June 9, 2008 at 3:36 pm

You know who else is a Baby Boomer? George W. Bush.

Can we put that entire generation on an ice floe now, please?

Mo MoDo June 9, 2008 at 3:38 pm

If Ronald Reagan and other politicians succeeded, for a time, in convincing voters that government spending was bad, it was by suggesting that bureaucrats were taking away workers’ hard-earned money and giving it to you-know-who: the “strapping young buck” using food stamps to buy T-bone steaks, the welfare queen driving her Cadillac. Take away the racial element, and Americans like government spending just fine.

Translation: Only racists oppose welfare.

NotUrEvryDayWEzl June 9, 2008 at 3:40 pm

[re=11221]John McClain[/re]: You almost made me spit the water I was drinking and ruin my computer. THANKS.

This whole sexism debate infuriates me. Hillary, although a woman, is WHITE. In the grand order of the Universe (i.e., America) as ordained by God Himself, the hierarchy looks something like this:

Straight White Men
Closeted White Men
Straight White Women
(Hillary fits somewhere in here, maybe)
Closeted but potentially super-hot bisexual White Women
Gay White Men
Straight Black Men
Straight Black Women
Gay Black Men
Gay Black Women
Muslims

Mexicans fit in there somewhere, depending on how white and not-muslim they can pretend to be.

RaptorAvatar June 9, 2008 at 3:41 pm

Man, now he’s just making me hope that my generation dies en masse before we turn into him. How much lazy Baby Boomer hagiography fucking disintigrates when we DON’T act like racism is solved and Vietnam was the last time we ever were wrong? Old fucks made a dent in the dark side and then sold everyone out when it suited them just like the shits that came before.

AxmxZ June 9, 2008 at 3:43 pm

Yes. Sexism made Hillary an incompetent campaign organizer.

Oh, wait.

bitchincamaro June 9, 2008 at 3:43 pm

Wait! We baby-boomers had a heyday? Nobody told me.
I had a client who was right of Attila the Hun and he
seethed at the very thought of Krug. If you lefty scum hate
him just as much, that leaves only the vast, mushy, vanilla, middle
on his side. Fuck him.

Johnetic June 9, 2008 at 3:43 pm

The last time HRC did something considered graceful she was keeping a low profile in the private residence at the white house while her husband was saying “I did indeed” on national television. A graceful concession would have included giving all her delegates to Obama, which if memory served, she did not. But that is all due to the fact that she can’t shut down her campaign because it’s $30 + mil in the hole. Was the big K also advising her on campaign economics or just on boomer genuflection?

m_supercomputer June 9, 2008 at 3:44 pm

He’s all hung up on something not-respectful-enough that Obama said or wrote about the boomers in *January 2007,* according to the google. Holding a grudge for a year and a half over an accurate but not flattering generalization – way to deny the narcissistic stereotype, Krugman!

Also, yes, misogyny does still exist. And yes, the media did direct a lot of it at Hillary. What, exactly does this have to do with Obama? His campaign probably passively benefited from the support of sexists, but neither he nor anyone on his staff did anything to encourage this – telling his supporters to show her respect at every turn. And if he had done anything to call out the media for sexism, he almost certainly would’ve been seen as condescending and stepping in to “protect” a woman who didn’t need his help. The Hillz, on the other hand, *actively* agitated along racial lines and stirred up resentment. That’s kind of an important difference.

Krugman’s horrible eyes are following me around the page, oh god. That’ll be in my nightmares.

Botswana Meat Commission FC June 9, 2008 at 3:44 pm

[re=11207]Johnny_Zhivago[/re]:
There’s something to that.

Read any book review written by a professor in The Nation or the NY/London Review of Books. It’s hilarious how personal and catty they get (left-wing Brits are probably the worst offenders)…. lots of references to extra-marital affairs and vacation homes.

Tits_LaRue June 9, 2008 at 3:46 pm

I keep trying to find references to actual misogynist statements made by Obama, and the “evidence” is pretty goddamned weak… (he used the phrase “claws out” which is somehow worse than referencing assassination!)

I wish people would stop confusing this issue, it’s Obama’s supporters who are saying all the sexist shit… since when do kooks on teh internetz and news anchors speak for a candidate?

But hey Krugman, go ahead and keep beating the issue into the ground anyway, you bitter old shrew.

bitchincamaro June 9, 2008 at 3:46 pm

[re=11245]StrangelyBrown[/re]:
In re: the ice floe. Obviously not. We’re responsible for melting the fuckers.

nhunter June 9, 2008 at 3:48 pm

Mr. Dennit: What did you just say to me?
Ricky: What? I said it with all due respect!
Mr. Dennit: Just because you say that doesn’t mean you get to say whatever you want to me!
Ricky: Yes, it does!
Mr. Dennit: No, it doesn’t!
Ricky: It’s in the Geneva Conventions, look it up!

1974 (again) June 9, 2008 at 3:49 pm

Good I hate boomers. I hate them, hate them, hate them. Hated sitting through their lectures in College about how much more important their generation was, how they changed the world, how us Gen Xers were a bunch of patsies that rolled over to anything that government or pop culture or school administrators wanted. How they were smarter, had better sex and more engaged with their socio-political surroundings. It was and is unbearable. Their children, god damned Millennials and their smug sense of entitlement are even worse, of course. Can we round them all up and deport them?

John McClain June 9, 2008 at 3:51 pm

[re=11252]NotUrEvryDayWEzl[/re]: Funny, I have this hierarchy pinned up to the wall of my office cube. Except you left off the Transylvanian Transsexuals.

Deepthroat June 9, 2008 at 3:54 pm

dbags get tbagged

Canuckledragger June 9, 2008 at 3:58 pm

“Unfortunately, the campaign against misogyny hasn’t been equally successful.”

Without wishing to ignore or condone whatever signs of sexism did arise during the campaign, could the esteemed Mr. Krugman explain how the “inevitable” front-runner – buoyed as she was by name recognition, unrivalled political connections, blessings from the party infrastructure, a massive campaign warchest, and a former [ly popular] President as her chief surrogate – manage to lose?

Oh yeah. It was misogyny.

If so, could the esteemed Mr. Krugman explain how, with so much misogyny rampant in the US, his female candidate was “inevitable” in the first place?

It is one thing for the Clintons to refuse to admit the obvious: she was a less than inspirational candydate who ran a woefully abysmal campaign. One understands that people have a hard time admitting their own deficiencies, and it can take years to address such fatal flaws.

It is another thing entirely for her supporters to traffick in such horseshit as though it were true.

So, we’ve triumphed over racism. Next we will wipe out the scourge of sexism.

Then, can we maybe tackle political myopia? ‘Cause it’s fuckin’ rampant!

Dave J. June 9, 2008 at 3:59 pm

Yes, let’s all line up to thank the awesome Baby Boomers who managed to stop the Vietnam War, and then took the pot and forgot all about it and started the Iraq War.

StrangelyBrown June 9, 2008 at 3:59 pm

[re=11267]bitchincamaro[/re]: Touché, boomer, touché. Quite an elaborate insurance scheme, that global warming.

Also, I thought the Baby Boomers’ heyday was understood to be 1993-2009.

Whore Diamond in the Rough June 9, 2008 at 4:00 pm

[re=11212]Slutty_Chola_Cobbler[/re]: Methinks Sen Clinton might be art of the (Carrie) Bradshaw generation.

weirdiowasculpture June 9, 2008 at 4:08 pm

Sheesh, can we all get back to talking about butt secks again? Just saying . . .

RushLickBall June 9, 2008 at 4:08 pm

Krugman needs to just admit that he’s actually a bitter white uneducated woman. Then we’ll understand.

RushLickBall June 9, 2008 at 4:09 pm

[re=11272]1974 (again)[/re]: what you said, only chnge “boomers” to Brokaw’s “the greatest generation”.

TGY June 9, 2008 at 4:19 pm

Meh, it’s either ‘damned with faint praise’ or ‘praised with faint damns’.

obfuscator June 9, 2008 at 4:20 pm

[re=11266]Tits_LaRue[/re]:

One thing that still baffles me to no end is the charge of sexism in regards to Barry’s “You’re likeable [i]enough[/i], Hillary” comment during one of the debates. It was kind of dickish(yet true) thing to say, but how was it a sexist comment? I swear, if Hillary wasn’t so masterful at oscillating her public persona between “victim” and “tough fighter”, this thing would have been over BEFORE Feb. 5.

obfuscator June 9, 2008 at 4:23 pm

stupid italics.

V572625694 June 9, 2008 at 4:24 pm

[re=11295]RushLickBall[/re]: +1. Sex is more delicious when you feel guilty. Only us oldsters can appreciate that.

RacerMex June 9, 2008 at 4:25 pm

[re=11192]Cicada[/re]: Totally… there are like 100 million boomers, and they bitch about thier problems and totally forget that they are the cause and solution of these problems. Maybe if they stopped watching TV, stopped driving SUVs, and Voted or got active we might have a shot at avoiding our demise.

In lew of that “I ain’t votin fer no molsems”

Tawmn June 9, 2008 at 4:39 pm

I think that this guy has mommy issues.

Darehead June 9, 2008 at 4:55 pm

Pa-Krug kept Hillary happy thru those dark Monica years. Then she threatened to tell the world he has a small wee wee if he didn’t worship her for 2008.

liquiddaddy June 9, 2008 at 5:19 pm

I like Prof. Krugman’s chutzpah, but he might be angling for a pie in the puss.

mothermaven June 9, 2008 at 5:26 pm

My Fox-News obsessed dad likes to watch Fox news in our house, so I had the misfortune to have to watch Neil Cavuto’s show. He had the “Party Unity, My Ass” group on. They are Clinton supporters who don’t want to vote for Obama because he wasn’t nominated democratically. They were disenfranchised. It was a rare treat having Neil have fun with them. He brought up that Hillary slammed Mccain a lot more than Obama, so why would they support Mccain? Asked how many feel the way they did, they claimed millions. Cavuto asks how many were in the last event they had. They had to admit 50. I am hoping someone will youtube that because those two representatives were so lame it was entertaining.

Krugman is one of the pantheon or cabal of Boomers I once respected and then watched them fall to the illness of irrationality this primary season. Geez. It is the Millennials that are coming out for Obama and are waking up to create change — channeling their supposed self-entitlement into a sense of entitlement for better government. College kids have walked 7.3 miles to vote this year. The kids are alright Krugie. So are the X-ers and the Boomers who are young at heart. Krugie and the bitter boomers have turned into the establishment lovers who cannot let go of the battles of the sixties and the culture war, while the oceans are rising and we are hemorrhaging money and lives in two wars and at the gas pump.

RuperttheBear June 9, 2008 at 5:37 pm

“And just WHAT, EXACTLY,” shouted Nicholas Kristof from across the table, “does this have to do with Darfur?”

problemwithcaring June 9, 2008 at 6:08 pm

When will old people admit that most “baby boomers” are racists, misogynistic bitter old uncritical, entitle, useless douche bags responsible for 90% of the shit wrong with this country and the world?

All the “good” baby boomers died in Vietnam, overdosed on drugs in Haight or were arrested and/or driven out of public life, banished to academia, long, long ago.

What’s left are a bunch of entitled, self-aggrandizing, never-outward-looking Narcissists – Larry Summers, Donna Brazile, Michael Kinsley, Krugman, Rushdie, – who are no more adept at critically questioning the institutionalized elements of power in our society than they are at finding the hole in their assed with Charmin.

Mr. Herpes June 9, 2008 at 6:36 pm

You’ve gotta cut Krugman some slack. He’s been looking for the stolen strawberries ever since Bill O bitch-slapped him silly on TV.

John McClain June 9, 2008 at 6:55 pm

I cannot believe such malevolence could issue forth from such a fuzzy man with such shiny button eyes. Obama shall make Krugbear his teddy soon enough– the next 6 months should prove pivotal in this ongoing conflict…

Quacker June 9, 2008 at 6:56 pm

It’s arrogant pantywaist loser fucks like this that made people to vote for Bush in self defense. NObody wants any friend of nutless charisma-free post-Keynesian bubbleheads like krugman to be anywhere near the panic button.

wallythepug June 9, 2008 at 7:29 pm

[re=11194]Serolf Divad[/re]: I always thought he was Wolf Blitzer’s evil twin.

populucious June 9, 2008 at 7:39 pm

Well, I’m so glad to know that the scorge of racism has been erased from this nation, and I thank Mr. Krugman for pointing it out to me.

I’m also greatful for both Krugman and the Hillary Clinton campaign for educating me, a middle class white woman whose parents put off buying their vacation home to put me through college and who has never been unemployed except when I wanted to be, that I actually suffer on a daily basis from horrifying misoginy and sexism. I thought I was blessed and fortunate, but now I see I was actually buffuddled by repeatedly banging my head against the glass ceiling. (Did I mention that I work in a profession that is about 70% female, including middle and upper management? Damn those women for sexistly keeping me down.)

Thanks Mr. Krugman for opening my eyes. Now, when are you going to do more episodes of Quincy? I really miss that show.

norbizness June 9, 2008 at 8:55 pm

You’d be pissed if your dreams for a Council of Economic Advisers job just went splat into the toilet, and you were faced with another 4-8 years hanging out with MoDo and Billy Kristol on the shitty NYT op-ed pages.

DoctorCulturae June 9, 2008 at 10:05 pm

[re=11492]populucious[/re]: owned.

When will the boomers realize they have become passe? Sad. Perhaps Hilz losing will mark the beginning of that painful process. Kruggy is a posterchild for this irrationality and yes, bitterness.

These are the same folks who sold their original 60′s idealism out in the 80′s by blowing the future up their nose while Grampa Raygun shifted the trajectory of the country. The boomers were too high to step up and be counted. And now, omg! the environment has gone to pot and the entire generation has proven then cannot get along. Peace, love, sex, social stalemate. Thanks for the instruction. I feel so much better after you’ve told me what is wrong with me. Flush.

donner_froh June 10, 2008 at 12:41 am

give the generation that brought about this change, fought for civil rights and protested the Vietnam War a bit more credit.

Boomers protested getting drafted. If Vietnam had been fought by an “all-volunteer” army it would have been Woodstock 24/7.

Krugman gives being a pompous, self-righteous fuckboy a bad name.

villageatrois June 10, 2008 at 3:59 am

“Despite the fact that he is a liberal economist, Krugman really wants to see McCain elected. Which makes sense… right?”

Sure. “Liberal economists” don’t know shit about shit. They think that re-distributing that which isn’t produced makes us all richer. And then there’s McCain, who doesn’t know that he doesn’t know shit about shit. But he’s willing to kill for it. Yay!

Securicom June 10, 2008 at 9:54 am

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Bilderberg Group info at infowars.com

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starstream June 12, 2008 at 4:30 pm

I find the genetics joke ironic what of white-asian-arab-blackicans? I yhink I have
some Irish too probably all the worst of everything ever concieved!!
America the melting pot! (joking of course but probably true w/ my luck)

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