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“WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic party officials said a committee agreed Saturday on a compromise to seat Michigan and Florida delegates with half-votes after Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton failed to get enough support to force their positions through.”
Fair, great, it’s over, HOORAY! But…
Clinton’s chief delegate hunter Harold Ickes angrily informed the committee that Clinton had instructed him to reserve her right to appeal the matter to the Democrats’ credentials committee, which could potentially drag the matter to the party’s convention in August.
“There’s been a lot of talk about party unity - let’s all come together, and put our arms around each other,” said Ickes, who is also a member of the Rules Committee that approved the deal. “I submit to you ladies and gentlemen, hijacking four delegates … is not a good way to start down the path of party unity.”
Fuck Harold Ickes. After this decision, however — which is about as fair to everyone as can be, considering the 4-state pledge that all candidates agreed to before the primaries — Clinton cannot appeal to the credentials committee, which would convene at the convention, without ruining her standing within the party. They’ll stop her after the last states vote on Tuesday. It’s over. Again.
Officials say Fla., Mich. delegates will get half-votes [AP]
Stop!
Hey, what’s that sound?
The Clinton dynasty, going down…
THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR HILLARY!!
Ding-dong…
I miss alt text.
This will never end. Hillary Clinton will become Lieberman 2.0 and run as an independent before dropping out and endorsing McCain in October.
Jim Newell: Praise Allah!! It is not such bad news for Senator Obama.!!
Great, now we have to fall back on Plan F, which involves Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean sneaking into Hillary Clinton’s house in the middle of the night and torturing her until she drops out of the race.
she just keeps not going and not going and not going….
This is the first time in my life I’ve felt misogynistic. I even hate my own uterus right now.
And we think the Clintons would stop before ruining their stand in the party?
Nice pants.
This is a first in the US. “Half votes.” The one year the Democrats should have waltzed into the White House, they seem determined to lose, to throw down on racism vs. sexism, to raise incredibly serious idealogical issues but without any sign of policy or platform. And this is going to get a Democrat in the White House how, exactly? Oh, yeah. It won’t.
@Black Cat: We’ll see how far it goes! Maybe Bill is starting to get a little worried about his legacy, finally…
The worst (and well… probable) way to look at this is that Harold Ickes thinks he can do it, and needs more time. That’s what I’ve heard is the Dark Clinton Gossip. If they appealed it would give him all summer to try to persuade ALL delegates — pledged and super — to vote for Hillary at the convention.
I honestly believe they won’t buy it.
Geez, did that guy on the right purposely match his clothes to Hill’s? Including the visible panty lines?
@Black Cat:
She’ll take it to Denver and make an ass out of herself in front of the cred committee and everyone..
Why didn’t they just seat Michigan and Florida in Hillary’s enormous pants?
@Rev. Peter L:
Florida is technically a penis (penisinsula?) so it would fit well up front by Hillz’ balls.
@Smoke Filled Roommate: Judging from that picture, it’ll be a pretty big ass.
What they should have done is given the women delegates from those states full votes, and the men 3/5ths. I mean, half votes are just insulting!
I hope she, uh, “bites the bullet” when her hired assassin (Chelsea) turns on her.
Time for an HRC haiku.
Now on to August.
Primary farce unending.
Clintons hurt my soul.
Don’t forget that all these delegates are only pledged for the first ballot at the convention. When that ballot fails, they are free to vote however the cat ransom notes stipulate.
Let’s face it: Two Dem candidates with very similar policies. That’s why it so hard to pick between them; they are too similar. The problem now is that their supporters HATE on each other, all the time.
McCain FTW 08! Woo-hoo!!! Go McMcain!! GO MCCAIN!! 8 MORE YEARS!! 8 MORE YEAR$Z!!!!
Nice camel toe Hill (although small), and with that little antenna pointing right at the hoohaa, it’s even better.
I Have Your Kitty.
Kitty Will Die Painfully.
Do You Understand?
That photo, jeebus, the gaping mouth slathered in FMR lipstick… she looks like a misshapen blowup doll with a cubic yard of sand in her drawers. Would one of you fashionistas out there kindly inform Madame that pants aren’t supposed to have an empire waist?
@ Kendoway: Oh jeebus. It’s true about the camel toe. I did not want to see that.
If the Florida and Michigan delegates “won” by Hillary!(TM) only get half-votes, I think the only fair recourse is to relegate Obama’s delegates down to 3/5 votes. Under this formula, Hillary!(TM) is the clear winner.
@edgydrifter - it just looks weird because those are the back of the pants. Don’t you see? Her torso is turned 180 degrees. That’s all.
@Cicada I hear you, sista’. (I’ve hated my uterus long before Hillary started fucking up the country, though) Never have I felt so ashamed of being a woman. Men, we’re not all like that, I assure you. The majority of us are actually quite rational and attractive.
What the fuck is up with all the political pundits saying that the Democratic Party is going to be unified at the convention? What planet are these people living on? Did they not just hear all of those livid irrational Hillamonsters chant “DEN-VER! DEN-VER!”? Clinton supporters have no shame, no boundaries, and certainly no sense of reality. Hillary and her klan of Satanic reptiles are going to see this out to the BITTER end. You thought 1968 was bad! 2008 is going to make that election look like a Disney movie. The Clintons are bound and determined to get back in the White House and if it means completely ripping the party to shreds until there is no way Obama can win in the fall and thus setting up the scenario for her to run again in 2012, than they’ll do it. The Clintons are power-hungry, ruthless villains who are always looking out for their best interests. The Clintons should just form their own party.
@Black Cat: you mean like in Spaceballs?
@ JimNewell
Why hasn’t Harriet Christian’s “Goddamn the Democrats!” video earned its own post yet?
They should start making mannequins of Hillary and set them up in Cato’s stores around the country. I’d hate to be the employee, though, who’d have to dress her in the latest pair of khaki high-waters and a christmas sweater (and not to mention the Keds).
@everybody
Oh, it has.
Who’s the dude in the stripes? ROOOOWRRR.
@ AudicityofHope:
Srsly?
Oh come on. Why should there be so much animosity, when Obama and Clinton agree so much on policy?
I repeat: McCain FTW. Go McCain!! GO MCCAIN!! EIGHT MORE YEARS!!! EIGHT MORE YEAR$ZZ!!!!
How many delegates do you think the acreage that is her saddlebags-n-cameltoe combo should get seated?
@StrangelyBrown - I was thinking more like a more extreme Exorcist. Pure horror. No humor.
@Rev. Peter Lemonjello: Those pants are enormous cause ‘ol Hilz been washin down the donuts with brewskis. I’m still waiting for the video of her blastin’ away with her personal pink duracoat SKS at BillyBob’s Gas ‘n Go & Cowboy Shootin’ Range.
@Novaload: This is a first in the US. “Half votes.”
Um, actually it’s not new at all. You might recall that the Republicans are doing exactly the same thing to Florida and Michigan. According to this history of convention delegate apportionment, the “half vote” idea goes back to at least 1852.
States have been penalized or rewarded in delegate numbers for all sorts of things in the past. Interestingly, the Democrats added a bunch of half-vote at-large delegates in 1924 in order to - wait for it - increase the number of women delegates at the convention. (I guess the thinking was the state parties would be more likely to name women if they were only getting half a vote anyway.)
Is she wearing blow-up legs?
Look at that camel toe on Hillary! She really does have a snatch, after all! Well I’ll be durned.
@Aurelio: I always knew she was connected to the Saudis. Now we have proof.
If HIllary had one tenth of the free passes that Obama gets, and if Obama got the same amount of racism that she gets of sexism, he would have gone back to Detroit long ago. All these rants about her clothes, all this knee-jerk repeating what everyone else has said. No wonder the Democratic party is going down.
Oh, that’s right, it’s only about the presidency. Obama=snappy dresser, Hillary older and not so snappy. Therefore, vote Obama. Oh, and Hillary a woman. Very bad.
Disgusting.
@Novaload: Obama is a very classy politician. Hillary, not so much.
Harold Ickes is a fucking hypocrite and should be flipping burgers at In-and-Out. First it’s “respect the rules” and then “this is sexist, you bastards.” Someone needs to gag him, throw him in a box, and wait it out till November, when he can finally be released to his pretentious first-life again.
@Novaload: Go back to Jezebel, honey.
@Novaload: HRC hacks in Obamaland! How did they evah get in?
@Novaload: Also, “gone back to Detroit”? WTF?
@Novaload: You’re either with us…or your with the terrorists.
@Q: You’re
Here is a Paultard! He sounds like a Hillary supporter to me though…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkvIba0joo8
@Novaload:
As has been stated many times before, their policies are not that different. That could lead one to believe that Hilz is being mocked strictly because of her gender….or that she is being mocked because she has demonstrated that there is no desperate, low move she wouldn’t pull to get this job. Seriously, does she need to eat a baby? Cause she would eat a baby.
Detroit, Chicago… same place.
@ivenson: She would eat a baby’s baby garnished with butterfly wings and the whiskers of puppies.
@ivenson: When Andrew Sullivan and Peggy Noonan start making sense, you know that baby eating can’t be far off.
Yes — my mom says there’s lots of black people in Detroit.
@ivenson: If she ate it in Wisconsin you can bet she’d put a big wedge ‘o cheese on that baby.
@Novaload: I actually had a favorable view of Hillary coming into this election season having cast my first presidential vote for her husband in 1992. My opinion of her quickly soured when it became obvious to me that her tactics were not unlike the Republican Shit Machine which, as we all know, lies, cheats and steals elections. Open your eyes– if you did, you might not be so supportive of her.
@ivenson: She’d drink a baby, too.
@Novaload: Sweetie, it looks as though you have walked through the wrong door. 99.9% of us on this here site are not “Hillary Sup.” who “will vote for McCain if Obama is Nom.” If you would like to comment on this site in regards to this political campaign, than you might want to at least get your facts straight. Since when was the Jeremiah Wright controversy, Michael Pfleger, accused of being a Muslim, and bitter-gate considered a “free pass”? You sure as hell don’t hear the media reporting about Hillary’s church (which is a cult called “The Family”). No, no, no. That would be “sexist”. Being a staunch femi-nazi, would you please enlighten me as to why you think Barack Obama is sexist? Also, since when did Hillary start caring about what those supposed “hard-working whites” think? Oh yeah! It was when she started getting her ass handed to her by a black man! But don’t worry. Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June.
Face it. You can’t stand the fact that a white woman, especially when her last name is “Clinton”, is losing to a black man. Your beloved queen is not going to become the first woman president, not because people are sexist, but because she is a lying Clinton (which is redundant). As a woman, I would love to be able to vote for a lady, but not this lady.
@AudicityofHope: Marry me.
I’m glad it’s as over as it can be with Hillary still breathing. However, watching that grabasstical loonfest, that they called a “committee meeting”, was enough to make anyone question the sanity of this whole idea of letting people vote. I know, I know, “better than the alternatives”, but…damn.
@Q: And if she ate it in California, it would be adorned with avocado slices..
I’m doing this so you don’t have to, but check out some of the comments on Hillary Clinton’s “website”:
Me too! Rise, Hillary, Rise, You can Rise above all of this as well! God is preparing you for what is to come in the Presidency and you will be able to withstand it all!
we need to find out first what hillary is going to do. if she runs as an independent its a no brainer. vote for hillary. if write ins are not allowed in all states we might want to all vote for mccain. we need to have a plan so lets not make any hasty decisions right now. we are all upset with the outcome we must work together as a team.
ALL I CAN NOW SAY IS DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER DENVER. THE DNC HAS NOW RATIFIED MY VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN.
MEET YOU IN DENVER…THE DNC WILL REGRE THIS VOTE TODAY FOLKS……..COMRADE..JJ
I REALLY FEEL LIKE EMAILING THEM RIGHT NOW AND TELLING THEM HOW WE ARE OVER 17 MILLION STRONG AND WHAT THEY DID WAS WRONG AND THEY JUST SHOOT THEIRSELVES IN THE FOOT!!!!!!
This is just incredible…The injusticeS of our own party. That my friend us UNACCEPTABLE!!!!I guess the real definition of a democrate is:
D Demoralize
E Ego’s
M Meaningless
O Obnoxious
C Care less
R Rules, Rules, Rules
A All About US
T Tell them who to vote for
E Eliminate them from the democratic process
Now, how sad is that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, I from Jalopnik. Sweety–oh, wait, that’s Obama’s term for women.
I only shifted, as a desperate Democrat, to Clinton because Obama’s foot was stuck in his mouth too much. Sweety. “Typical white person.” That and he’ll get eaten alive by the Republicans because he has no experience. Because he and his wife are hardcore separatists. (Read her thesis?) He had a chance to be a uniter but he didn’t.
And what low moves wouldn’t Obama pull to get elected? Who/what hasn’t he thrown under the bus when it got inconvenient? He only bothers to mention his white relatives when there’s political hay to be made. So many Democrats are projecting their own ideals onto him.
The Republicans are, I’m sure, hoping he’s the nominee. Karl Rove will beat him like a drum. Dean and the other Democrats stood by and let this all get out of control because the Democrats have no leadership as a party. Because certain forms of liberalism forbid criticism of anybody, but is very pro photo-ops and sound bytes that will look good at re-election time. I’m sure there must be a few Dems around who are sorry they threw John E. away so easily, or Dean, for that matter.
Oh, Detroit, Chicago. Auschwitz, Buchenwald, what’s the diff.
@loquaciousmusic: I like the end comment there..
E– Eliminate the ‘e’ from Democrate, because it’s not supposed to fucking be there!
Moran.
@Novaload Obama got the same amount of racism that she gets of sexism, he would have gone back to Detroit long ago.
Good god, you’re either a bad troll or really stupid. Speaking of racism and sexism, were you planning to vote for Carol Mosley Bruan when she ran, in fact, Cynthia McKinney is running too.
Hmm, I’m thinking no.
@Cicada and AudicityofHope. Don’t say that. I could never hate my uterus (wouldn’t have had work done on it if I did). However, I don’t mind not being a white woman right now.
If McCain is elected, we can count on a few things happening:
1) A Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
2) The repeal of federal abortion-rights laws.
3) The continued forward progress of school voucher programs.
4) A lengthy occupation of Iraq.
5) Additional tax cuts for wealthy Americans.
6) Possible military intervention in Iran and other Middle Eastern nations.
I’m straight and single and male, so I don’t have to worry about points 1) and 2). I have public school certification and currently teach in an independent school, so there goes 3). I am past the legal drafting age — and would be passed over because of nearsightedness anyway — so goodbye to 4) and 6). And I make a comfortable middle-class living, so 5) doesn’t affect me much. According to this list, I should be voting for McCain. None of his policies would affect me negatively. Some wouldn’t affect me at all.
But here’s the thing: I can’t vote for McCain because my view of the world is one that, over the course of my short 28 years here on Earth, has grown into this: when all is said and done, it’s not all about me. I care for the well being of my fellow Americans — gay, straight, black, white, male, female, rich, poor, young, old. My parents raised me to embrace qualities of empathy and compassion and to understand that there is a big world out there that I can make better or worse due to my own actions. Of the three candidates currently running, my world view more closely meshes with Barack Obama’s world view. That’s just the way it is.
I see Hillary Clinton’s campaign as mirroring McCain’s because both look inward. This divisive battle in the DNC makes that all the more clear: it’s all about Hillary. I don’t want a leader like that. I don’t want a country like that.
I’m sorry; I’m usually snarkier than this. This whole thing just gets me down.
@loquaciousmusic: Geez Louise. Now I’m all Qonfused. “E Ego’S?” I thought that E was for Baby Eating. “E Eliminate them from the democratic process?” And I thought that one was for Encourage Enormous Pants.
I can’t read Wonk’s anymore. New format baaad or me just getting old?
@Novaload: I’m a southern woman who calls complete strangers “sweetie” all the time. It’s a colloquialism some of us down in the south and black folk like to use. I suppose you prefer old white men to call you a “cunt”; I guess it’s a regional thing.
Ok, now onto business. First off, Jeremiah Wright threw Barack under the bus. Barack gave him the benefit of the doubt until the media attacks being made in regards to Obama’s ties to Rev. Wright, etc. began to dominate the news cycles EVERY SINGLE DAY. Barack did what any sensible man would have done in his position and repudiated the Reverand’s remarks in hopes that he could then move on to talking about more serious matters. The politically expedient thing for Barack to have done would have been to denounce Wright and the church after the intitial comments broke. But, unlike Hillary, Barack has class and knows a thing or two about what Jesus taught.
Karl Rove, along with the rest from the far right-wing, can and will attack Barack on his supposed “inexperience” but not as much as they will be bringing up his pastor and his foreign policy views about talking with our adversaries and sending out more false e-mails about Obama being a radical terrorist-appeasing Muslim; however, that’s nothing compared to dirt they have on Hillz. Are you familiar at all with “Operation Chaos”? Of course you are. You’re probably a dittohead parading around as a “democrat”. Barack would be a fool to choose Clinton as his VP.
Oh, sniper-fire, no sniper-fire. Hoping Obama gets assassinated, making a historical reference. What’s the diff, right?
This whole sad business leave me with two very important questions: who’s the smoldering hotstuff behind Clinton in that pix and how quickly can I get to where ever that picture was taken to console him on Clinton’s latest victory?
I have inferred that Clinton is monstrous and, since she is a woman, calling a woman a monster means I am a sexist. It does not matter that I believe McCain is monstrous too. Because anything negative I say about Clinton must be because she is a woman, and I therefore must be sexist.
The Clinton supporters who say every criticism of Clinton is sexist are doing more damage to women than I thought possible.
@btwbfdimho: The site CSS is hosed.
@Novaload: Just be quiet and learn something about the monument..
@LoquaciousMusic Sure. But we’d have to wait a little over a month before it would be legal.
@Novaload: I tried to think of something “funny” to say about your garbled ranting. But, here’s the sad thing: it’s not funny. People like you just depress the hell out of me. You may be right that Obama has been too damaged by this process to beat McCain at this point. But, hell, I’m damn proud of the Democrats for sticking with him despite the mountain of stinking shit Hillary and her throngs of sleazy, morally and ethically bankrupt mouthpieces have spewed upon him day after day, week after week, month after month. Over and over again she, her surrogates and her “family” have mis-underestimated the ability of us elite, educated folks to use the internets and the youtube to fact check their disturbing lies, subtle-as-a-brick-wall smears, and endless Calvin Ball tactics. That’s what really lost this for her. Not her race; not her gender; not her stupid, hideous clothes (Maggie Thatcher was not a freaking fashion plate — sister had BALLS!). No, what lost this for her is that this time, in this election, we (warning, warning, sap alert) have places like Wonkette, (gulp) Politico, even hacks like (gasp) freaking Drudge, that ensure that Clinton-style politics (”punching your opponents in the face” with lies, and then cleaning the mess up later) cannot succeed like they ALWAYS had in the past. So, again, maybe you’re right; maybe picking Obama is a stupid, naive gesture doomed to failure. But you know what, just the fact that we were still capable of such a gesture has (I know, I know — pathetic) filled my heart. And, finally, yes, style does matter (though the ways in which we articulate someone’s utter lack of it may be crude). It’s not clothes or looks that give one style; it’s something you must be born with.
wait.
if detroit and chicago are interchangeable, i could be almost in canada.
that would be awesome.
Stop thinking and analyzing and focus on the camel toe. Be the camel toe.
also and of no particular snark originality and i NEVER thought i would say this:
she should go back to pantsuit.
@Buffy and Hildegard Nicely said, my good woman/man.
Focus on the camel toe is frustrated by the pants’ exposure of the beer-swollen FUPA.
This just in…
Look, I have nothing against Hillary - other than that she’s a crazed power-hungry vampire - but seriously, that outfit is wrong.
It’s like someone took the lower body off your standard DC middle aged man and stuck a ‘Hillary topper’ on it. People just shouldn’t let themselves go like this, and if they do they should have the decency to wear dark, baggy, concealing clothing.
Blame the Camel Toe! OMFG, I am sexist!
I nominate you all as traitors, You people make Jeebus look like a patriot.
I can’t figure out the picture– where are the other 14 hijackers? And why does it look so green and non lava-y?
Am I the only one disturbed by that small wedge of stomach flesh & fat peeking out from between the shirt and the pants?
But I would still get right up close and personal with Hils only to get close to the stripe-y shirt man immediately to her right in the picture. Yum.
This is a first in the US. “Half votes.”
No, it’s not a first at all. Half votes among the Democrats go back
officially to 1852, and unofficially even longer, when states would
send more delegates than they were authorized, just because they
could. Republicans have had half votes from the start - the crucial
point in Lincoln’s nomination in 1860 was when he reached 230 1/2 votes.
Parties have awarded and penalized delegates for all sorts of
reasons. Commonly, states get awarded additional delegates if they
have voted consistently for the party in congressional or presidential
elections. My favorite example is that in 1924, after woman got the
vote, the Democrats added a bunch of half-vote at-large delegates,
in the hopes these would go to women and attract them to the party. I
guess the thinking is that women were more likely to get the seats if
they were only half votes.
There’s a nice history of how delegates have been apportioned at:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/Hx/NatDelegates.html.
This is a first in the US. “Half votes.”
No, it’s not a first at all. Half votes among the Democrats go back
officially to 1852, and unofficially even longer, when states would
send more delegates than they were authorized, just because they
could. Republicans have had half votes from the start - the crucial
point in Lincoln’s nomination in 1860 was when he reached 230 1/2 votes.
Parties have awarded and penalized delegates for all sorts of
reasons. Commonly, states get awarded additional delegates if they
have voted consistently for the party in congressional or presidential
elections. My favorite example is that in 1924, after woman got the
vote, the Democrats added a bunch of half-vote at-large delegates,
in the hopes these would go to women and attract them to the party. I
guess the thinking is that women were more likely to get the seats if
they were only half votes.
There’s a nice history of how delegates have been apportioned at:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/Hx/NatDelegates.html
(Sorry, this didn’t seem to post the first couple of times. No
doubt now I’ll end up with a dozen copies posted…)
I have only one response to seeing Hillary Clinton camel toe:
AGGGGHHHHH!!! MY EYES!!! MY EYES!!!
*gropes around for bleach*
It bespeaks well of HRC’s generosity that she’s got the whole world…in her pants.
Sorry. She really does need to hit the hoops or something, though.
I’d recommend ballroom dance, but then I would.
A waist measurement of more than 35″ is very unhealthy for any woman. Which reminds me- where are Hillary’s health records? Or is she going to whine and pout about that, too?
@Buffy & Hildegard: Points well taken, but I wasn’t intending to be funny. I was amazed at the ongoing negative coverage of Hillary constantly, constantly on every major media outlet. Whereas Obama got just no major coverage for “typical white person” etc. It was like he farted at a fancy dinner–everyone pretended it never happened. The issues I’ve seen with Obama are self-generated. “I, too, was born on an island” –right. Hawaii and Puerto Rico.
And the deeper problem is the Democrat’s “idealism” will set the country back at least another 4 years. There has to be a bigger picture than a fan club for this or that person to get in the white house–get the White House back, that should be the goal.
And it is hard to be funny about this–it was so exciting for the Democrats to win seats and hear Nancy Pelosi talk about the coming changes and then to find out the only thing that happened was NO party unity and just snippets on Dem X, Y, or Z asking a really tough question at a Senate hearing but zero action–but no pro