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Yeah, but he's still going to get paid...I doubt the same can be said for her other creditors.

No Monster Left Behind failed.

Five? They better borrow space in SI, Home & Garden and Cat Fucking Fancy to get all of her campaign's mistakes in magazine form.

aha, but silly old "rules" mean nothing to Hillary, so maybe Penn was just following her lead.

Heck of a job, Penny.

Maybe he's smarter than all of us and realized that eventually, Dick Cheney is going to tire of our silly little "election" games and seize the reins of power, so it really didn't matter who won the Democratic primary.

Call me crazy, I don't know if I buy the Penn story. Hill folks are denying it. And no one in his position could be that stupid, right? Right?

Mark Penn was right all along, and we are fools for not comprehending The Math which shows Hillary is actually winning.

This is also how he got kicked out of Denny's. He assumed they had a policy of "apportioned portions" and began eating off of everyone's plate in the restaurant.

He is also obese and rapes babies.

Hmmm. The only thing the Time article left out was actually mentioning the word "hubris."

@queeraselvis: hubris. H-U-B-R-I-S. hubris.

Penn was under the impression that he could change the law, because he is a self-proclaimed Messiah like this guy:

[www.topnews.in]

Maybe Mark Penn was a mole. Or had a mole. Or all three.

Words, even nasty backstabby ones, are as we know 'just words'. I will not be happy until the people responsible for Hillary's failed campaign start shanking each other.

@EnBuenOra: Not a mole, cancer.

"Clinton picked people for her team primarily for their loyalty to her, instead of their mastery of the game."

How very Bushian. Competence must be too "elite".

according to the Time mag article mark penn was also shocked to find out midway through the primaries that black people were allowed to vote.

So wait... he's ugly, fat, and stupid? How the hell did he get where he is?

I love that self-serving Harold Ickes quote. Just maybe he was one of the "two people who were there" at the meeting?

Math is hard.

@metropolitan: He was counting on the 3/5 compromise.

@El Bombastico: I'd love to believe it, but it seems too good to be true. Plus Ickes would lie to smear him, without hesitation. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

@queeraselvis:
Hubris (n); an anonymous drive by circumcision

It just proves that old adage: "Those who forget Idaho are condemned to being fired for going behind their boss's backs for a Columbian trade agreement."

I can't tell you how many times that has happened to me.

That Loyalty Over Competence thing sounds eerily familiar.

@Cicada:

Sorry. You got there first.

What every one expect? If you can't count calories, then you can't count delegates.

BUT THEY HAD THE BIGGEST NAME BRAND IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! Sorry for the caps, I was trying to yell really loud.

Further evidence that Mark Penn kept forgetting if he was working for McCain or Clinton.

@BlogFather: That reminds me (for some reason) of something that James Carville said recently that was actually insightful:

"Barack Obama has 1.2 million contributors. That's not a fundraiser list that's a Political Party."

Maybe Penn didn't know, but Hils sure as shit should have known.

@Wendy_Kroy: Beat me to the point and stated it 10 times snarkier and subtler than I ever could. (Bastard!)

@Rev. Peter Lemonjello: no i think he got kicked out of Denny's for clogging up all the toilets in the men's room. it was a mess ...

But both Hilz and Penn like the Republican system better.

They made the mistake of not switching parties first, you know, before the election.

Right strategy, wrong party.
Hate it when that happens. Like showing up all tarted up for a blow out dance party when the invitation specifically says History Club meeting.

First mistake they made was having Hillary Clinton as their candidate.

I mean, seriously. This is like those "John Kerry's top 8 mistakes" lists in December '04. Well, whatever, but the main problem was that the candidate was fundamentally a lame Senator who nobody really liked. Yeah, the Clinton campaign made some strategic blunders, but and the end of the day it was the candidate who approved said blunders.

The main problem is that nobody is really all that stoked about Hillary Clinton and she faced a much better opponent and got beat. The end.

@econdave: The Ickes quote is self-serving, yes, but actually reveals him to be weak and impotent. I mean, allegedly he's at a meeting where Penn reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of the very RULES that govern the primaries, and yet that strategy continues to hold sway over the campaign despite Ickes' input? That seems completely absurd to me.

Game over...!

@WIDTAP:

Awww... *blushes madly*

eac,
the games not over. He has an 8 mill bad debt write-off from Hil, (he can make that back selling "I was Hillary's buttboy" T-shirts. Plus that will cover his taxes on the 30 mill he'll make taking care of Columnbia cause he IS hillary's buttboy.....there you go, it's all good.

That quote must have come really early in the morning, because he's not really on top of his game until he's had his 28-egg breakfast.

How can you blame Hillary for all of this. After all, the same level of stupidity got W elected and re-elected.

It's like the time I found out Bowie was saying leper, not leather, messiah.

I was so embarrassed.

What does this remind me of...? Oh!

Obama: "I know that Mark Penn poses an imminent and direct threat to campaigns...I know that even a successful campaign under Mark Penn will require negative politics of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences...efforts without strong grassroots support will only fan the flames of the divisions, and encourage the worst, rather than the best, impulses of the voters, and strengthen the Republican base. I am not opposed to all political campaigns. I'm opposed to dumb political campaigns."

CLINTON: "I warned at the time the "Front Runner" campaign was not campaign with a message of inevitability. Nevertheless, Mark Penn went ahead and claimed inevitability anyway, which has led to the position we find ourselves in today. Now we have to look at how we go forward."

Q: Why can't you just say right now that hiring Mark Penn was a mistake?
A: "I did an enormous amount of investigation and due diligence to try to determine what if any threat could flow from my inevitability argument. The idea of inevitability back in 2007 was a credible idea. I believe in coercive diplomacy. You try to figure out how to move non-supporters in a direction that you prefer in order to avoid more dire consequences. If you took it on the face of it and if you took it on the basis of what we hoped would happen with the inevitability-thing going in, that in and of itself was a policy that we've used before. We used the inevitability argument in the Senate race to try to make New Yorkers forget the whole carpetbagger thing. What no one could have fully appreciated is how obsessed Obama was with this particular mission - this "winning." Unfortunately, I and others who warned at the time, stop with the speeches, stop with the Black people, let the Clinton's finish their work, were just talking to a brick wall."

Hiring and listening to Mark Penn makes it obvious that Hillary is the person you want answering the phone at 3am...

(So she'll listen to this guy, but not to econonmists that ridicule her "gas tax holiday" idea? Brilliant!)

@peace with honor: I, on the other hand, felt neither embarrassment nor relief when I found out Manfred Mann was singing "revved up like a deuce" rather than "wrapped up like a douche" when he covered Springsteen's "Blinded by the Light". Either way, that song blows. Just like Hitlery.

@edgydrifter: thank you. i have never known those lyrics and they have haunted me.

apparently not enought to google them or whatever, but still...

haunted.

@edgydrifter: Even the Boss thought Manfred Mann said "douche" in his cover.

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