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You don’t have to tip for fast food. It’s the best!

As we noted back in December, the Labor Department is pushing a beautiful new rule that will allow restaurant owners to take servers’ tips, ostensibly to “pool” them and share tips with workers in the back of the house, just as long as everyone makes at least minimum wage before tips. At least, that’s how Labor is selling the rule change: as a way of sharing the wealth (but not socialism, heavens) and giving employers a way of fairly compensating everyone, as long as your definition of “fair” means taking servers’ tips away. Besides, the rules that currently protect workers from having their tips taken away by employers were put in place by Barack Obama, so you know they have to be rescinded.

There’s a little problem with that selling point, of course, as the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) points out:

DOL has masked the fact that this rule would be a windfall to restaurant owners and other employers — out of the pockets of tipped workers — by making it sound as if this rule is about tip pooling. Of course, once employers have full control of tips, one of the things they could do with those tips is distribute them to “back of the house” workers like dishwashers and cooks. But the proposed rule does not require employers to distribute the tips, so employers would be no more likely to share tips with back-of-the-house workers than they would be to make any other choice about what to do with a business windfall, including using the money to make capital improvements to their establishments, to increase executive pay, or to line their own pockets.

To add to the awfulness of the proposed rule, EPI’s look at the possible effects of the tip-stealing rule includes a hell of a surprise, at least if you’re still capable of being surprised by anything this administration does:

We estimate that if the rule is finalized, every year workers will lose $5.8 billion in tips, as tips are shifted from workers to employers.

Of the $5.8 billion, nearly 80 percent — $4.6 billion — would be taken from women who are working in tipped jobs.

It’s worth noting that the analysis includes not just restaurant servers, but other occupations where tips are common, like bartenders, casino workers, hairstylists, and “other personal appearance workers.” Also, if you want to quibble with the numbers some, the EPI analysis appears to assume a worst-case scenario where all employers who couldtake employees’ tips would actually do that, and we’d like to hope that there is at least some tiny percentage of employers who are damnfool liberals who think paying a decent wage is worth doing. We could be wrong about that, but Yr Wonkette is an invertebrate quibbler — we’ll nitpick, but without much backbone.

In any case, there’s plenty of reason to think EPI’s numbers are grounded in justified economic pessimism. As the authors note, research already shows that 12 percent of tipped workers have their tips illegally taken by employers or supervisors — and that’s with laws prohibiting such theft:

The fact that illegal tip theft is so prevalent underscores that when employers can legally pocket tips, many will. And basic economic logic dictates that it is highly unlikely that back-of-the-house workers will get more pay. There is currently no limit to what these workers can be paid, so employers are already paying their back-of-the-house workers what they need to pay to attract workers willing to work in those jobs. If employers do share some tips with them, it will likely be offset by a reduction in their base pay, leaving their take-home pay largely unaffected.

Not surprisingly, the Labor Department hasn’t seen fit to offer any analysis at all of the potential amount of tips that might be shifted from workers to employers. Why would they, apart from some silly legal requirement that the costs and benefits of any new rule be quantified “to the fullest extent that these can be usefully estimated”? A full accounting would put the lie to the notion that this rule is mostly about benevolent employers pooling tips to help line cooks and dishwashers. As EPI notes, the Labor Department

couldn’t both produce a good faith estimate (which would necessarily have shown a substantial shift of tips from workers to employers) and maintain the fiction that this rule is primarily about tip pooling, so they opted to ignore legally required steps in the rulemaking process.

The new rules have not yet gone into effect, and the public comment period on this abomination remains open until February 5. To leave a comment for the Labor Department (or for Labor to ignore, this being the Trump administration), point your browser thisaway.

And don’t forget to tip your server — or after February, their boss.

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  • armed_bears

    These are the kind of rules promulgated by folks who never had to work for tuition money, child care, or a living.

  • yyyaz

    One word: Unions.

    • 🍁 Møøse Fuddlin’ Girl Guide 🍁

      Pfft. Commie. What do you think this is, a civilized country?

    • Oblios_Cap

      Our media is all over that. Why, just yesterday the USA Today had an article about all the “unions having problems with embezzling” with accompanying headline above the fold. Buried deep in the article was the disclaimer “like all organizations with access to large amounts of money”, but the damage was done.

  • memzilla Ω

    If you look at that photo of Twitler, with him trying to look all S-M-R-T reading the Wall Street Journal, you’ll notice that all the papers are turned towards the camera and away from the putative “reader.” No one who’s actually reading the paper does that, ever.

  • LesBontemps

    Wait, who gets the tips if you work as a mohel? (That’s a “personal appearance worker,” isn’t it?)

    • Oblios_Cap

      You could fry them up and sell them as calamari.

      • elviouslyqueer

        Aaaaaaand there goes my dinner plans.

      • Werewolf

        Und you should never eat gribenes by a mohel. Chewy!

  • yyyaz

    Meanwhile, Katy Tur grills Rep. Luis Gutierrez: “Yes or no: are you going to vote with Democrats to shut down the government?” Our “liberal” media in action.

    • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

      Great framing.

      • Oblios_Cap

        I’d expect better from Katy.

        • SDGeoff3

          We deserve better from the whole lot of them.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Screw the working class. They just do the work. The Idle Rich deserve all the money because they know how to use it wisely.

    • ScottGoode

      Yeah the poor just waste it on food and electricity.

      • Oblios_Cap

        Booze and lottery tickets.

      • Lefty Wright

        Yeah, which North Carolina taxes. Especially that luxury, electricity. The 300 foot yachts, not so much.

    • yyyaz

      Those 300′ yachts with double helipads aren’t going to sail themselves.

    • 🍁 Møøse Fuddlin’ Girl Guide 🍁

      Well, they’ll just spend their money on booze, hookers and movies about boozing hookers. Chuck “Your Ass is” Grassley said so, therefore it must be true.

      • Arolpin

        Mrs. Arolpin made the mistake of watching clips of the Senate testimony yesterday. She almost had a rage-stroke over Grassley. She is a speech-language pathologist and she really thinks he’s in serious cognitive decline, because he read every question directly from the paper in front of him, never lifted his head, and still stumbled over the words multiple times. I said that he’s just an asshole, but she was not convinced. (She also asked why I didn’t tell her to disengage from the news, like she tells me when I get ragey and stabby.)

  • Anna Rompage

    Porn star Stormy Daniels to ‘In Touch’: Trump said I was “just like his daughter”….

  • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

    “Holy shit! That’s the third table tonight that stiffed me! Uh . . . fuckers!!!”

  • Anarchy Unicorn

    I own a bar, pay above minimum plus tips. I’m not changing that anytime soon. So there are at least 3 employees who won’t get fucked by this. More if I ever manage to expand my boozy empire.

    • LesBontemps

      I will happily come drink in your bar. Are you open for breakfast?

      • Anarchy Unicorn

        Only on Saturdays and I have a good Mimosa or Bellini special.

        • Oblios_Cap

          I just realized that you look nothing like a unicorn.

          • elviouslyqueer

            ANARCHY!

      • Anarchy Unicorn

        Fine Vines Wine bar, Reno nv

        • rosenbomb

          I was just in Reno a few weeks ago. Next time!

        • Zango’s Stunt Liver

          Gonna have to stop in!

    • rosenbomb

      where’s your bar? I owe it my patronage if I’m ever in that zip code

    • goonemeritus

      Good for you, I think happy servers are key to a good dining experience. I will say having worked in kitchens in my youth I do understand why some restaurant owners that aren’t dicks support this change.

    • Cock Blockula

      I go to Reno about twice a year. I will be a future patron!

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Good for you.

  • Cornelius Fussbudget

    I see the logic here: if a waitress has to get a second job to afford her rent, then we’ve just created a job. Multiply by a few million and we’ll be at full employment. Well played, Rethugs.

    • Wonky “TransgenderFetus” McGoo

      If you work enough jobs, you don’t even need to pay rent! Family time is for winners, and you can sleep when you’re dead.

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        You also need a father at home to prevent stuff.

        • FlownΩver

          Just ask Ivanka.

  • Rebel Scum with permit

    Here’s another issue- doesn’t the IRS tax these employees as if they are being tipped? So if their tips are taken away, are they taxed as if they were being tipped anyway?
    And is the employer being taxed on the value of the tips they are making off with?

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      It as GOP demands.

      • Oblios_Cap

        And God intended.

        • SDGeoff3

          So there. Done.

    • cmd resistor

      When I was a waitperson, I think you got taxed as if you were making 8%, whether you were or not. That was at a restaurant that didn’t take credit cards. Then at the places that did, I guess the credit card tips were taxed but still if you didn’t get the 8% you were taxed as if you did. Couldn’t swear to that because I didn’t work at the credit card places very long.

  • So, I guess I’ll be asking my servers come February if they are actually getting their tips or if they’re being pocketed by the boss.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      And if they aren’t, leave and never return.

      • wide_stance_hubby

        And be very clear why.

        • SDGeoff3

          I write letters that my friends call Geoffmail.

          • puredog

            I continue to specialize in the “Bob Blatt.”

          • SDGeoff3

            Has a nice ring to it.

        • Lefty Wright

          In fact, start insisting on a tip policy being posted at the front of the restaurant, or whatever place of business you are going to. If it’s not there, tell the seater you are leaving and why. Restaurants cannot afford to lose too much business, their margins are too tight.

    • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

      I’ll probably be palming it to them under the table.

      • SDGeoff3

        Yes.

        • coozledad

          Tip in cash only.

          • Bobathonic

            I always make sure I have cash for the tip, even if I pay with a card.

      • puredog

        Tuck it into their lingerie. They respond favorably to that.

  • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

    Well, if workers didn’t want to be ripped off they should have been born to owners.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      It’s all about the uterus you fell out of. Which is kinda the opposite of what the Founders intended…

  • vukojebina_MΩment

    Is that the Russian Imperial Seal on Prezy Pantyload’s headrest in that aeroplane picture, or is he hemorrhaging out the back of the skull again?

    • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

      I’m more disturbed by the fact that he’s eating fast food chicken with a knife and fork. And that someone thought it was OK to give A Idiot like him access to a knife.

      • vukojebina_MΩment

        Gravy so greasy you can eat it with a fork. At room temperature.

      • SDGeoff3

        Putting all that food in front of him and giving him a knife while he’s strapped in keeps him from running with scissors.

  • SDGeoff3

    And those appear to be the large tubs of gravy and mashed potatoes in front of him. Good golly, he really is full of shit.

    • msanthropesmr

      Tubs o; slaw
      Gimme two
      Sorry, only one per customer.

      • SDGeoff3

        (I confess, extra crispy and large slaw for me).

        • DrBigHead

          I prefer Popeye’s. Much better biscuits

          • SDGeoff3

            I’ve tried Popeye’s, and like it very much. Around here, we also have a Filipino franchise, Jolly Bee, and their fried chicken, hands down, is the best I’ve had.

          • DrBigHead

            If you don’t mind my asking, where would that be?

          • SDGeoff3

            San Diego, especially in South Bay area. There might be three or four of them around here.

          • Oblios_Cap

            That explains the SD! I thought it was a clue!

          • SDGeoff3

            Take a gander at the avatar, and you’ll know it ain’t South Dakota.

          • Oblios_Cap

            I had always assumed San Diego because of that.

          • DrBigHead

            Driving distance!! Next summer when it heats up I will risk all the ‘Zonie disparagement and make a fish taco — Jolly Bee run with the family.

          • SDGeoff3

            I bet you’ll love it. And now that you mention it, and it is lunchtime…Jollibee it is! A five minute drive away.
            I can recommend a great Baja-stlye seafood place in Bonita, where they have great tacos, burritos and a Baja shrimp cocktail that will take you to heaven; TJ Oyster Bar. Check the website, and let me know when you’re coming.

          • DrBigHead

            Will do!

          • SDGeoff3

            And TJ has boozes too.

          • Bobathonic

            Best chain fried chicken I recall was Mrs Winners. I might be delusional, though, that was decades ago.

          • SDGeoff3

            Never heard of that one. Was it regional?

          • Bobathonic

            Yep. Mostly Georgia, some in NC.

          • I like Popeye’s too. There’s a Korean fried chicken place opening up soon near me, and I’m eager to try it. The single greatest meal I’ve ever eaten was Korean food. If you’re ever in Maynard MA (near Concord), there’s this tiny Korean place that seats MAYBE 12, that is just phenomenal. Can you tell I haven’t had lunch yet?

          • SDGeoff3

            And Jollibee is five minutes down the street and it is noon, and I will shower and wear pants until I get back.

          • puredog

            Reel ’em Inn Tavern.
            Se 25th and SE Division.
            Portland, OR.
            Chicken fried to order.
            ‘Nuff said.

          • SDGeoff3

            I’m on my way! (I get to Portland once in a while.)

          • Arolpin

            I prefer Popeye’s for everything except the slaw. I have picked up dinner at Popeye’s, then driven to KFC just for a tub of slaw. (A small tub, because nobody else in the family likes slaw.)

          • Lord Jim

            Horses for courses, I guess. I ate at Popeye’s onceand couldn’t believe I paid so much for so little of such meh quality. On the other hand, we used to have a chicken place called Arnold’s in Bowling Green. They served a crispy chicken that was also spicy. ‘Twas purt good.

      • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

        YOU HAVE YOUR SLAW, SIR!

      • FlownΩver

        Offer not good after curfew in Sectors R or N.

    • OrG

      Nothing wrong with mashed potatoes and gravy. But that shit’s from KFC so it doesn’t really count.

      • Spotts1701, Porg Wrangler

        Mashed foam-tatoes don’t do it for you?

        • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

          I must be weirder than I thought. I actually LIKE KFC mashed potatoes. I mean, they’re not as good as home-made, lots of butter and cream, honest to God mashed potatoes, but I still like them for what they are.

          • Bobathonic

            A floor polish?

          • MynameisBlarney

            It’s actually the least disgusting thing they have on the menu at KFC.

          • mike

            I understand why you dont have time

          • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

            AND a dessert topping!

          • You beat me to it! (See above!)

          • wide_stance_hubby

            “You’re soaking in it, right now.”

          • yyyaz

            Gotta be rilly old to get that one.

          • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

            Hey, I resemble that remark!

          • cmd resistor

            I’m still under 60.

          • yyyaz

            Braggart.

          • cmd resistor

            But I remember Madge, so is that Old?

          • wide_stance_hubby

            Pre-Madonna Madge liblez!

          • yyyaz

            I’ll allow it, but …

          • wide_stance_hubby

            Fine, I’m an Olde, ok? Old enough to have stopped worrying about it, even.

          • yyyaz

            Sorry, but Pre-Madonna triggered my puncipient reflex. So, now we are All-a-Gaga?

          • wide_stance_hubby

            No worries. I barely appreciated Madonna, but have nothing to add about LG. Mostly I know her from ‘American Horror Story’ and remain unimpressed.

          • yyyaz

            I still have an ember for over-mixed disco (shut up! w/evil side-eye) and doomed-love ballads. *my CD player just popped out the “Immaculate Collection.”* BBL. : )

          • No, it’s a dessert topping! (Folks below the age of 50 won’t get this.)

          • Arolpin

            i am (barely) and I do. I also know what a Bass-o-matic is, because my parents thought it important to let me watch a little SNL as a kid (it started at 10:30 in the mythical MTZ).

          • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

            This is still my all-time favorite SNL sketch:

            http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-french-chef/n8667?snl=1

            (Sorry, I guess NBC doesn’t like embedding….)

          • I like the gravy on the heated spackle at Popeye’s.

          • Oblios_Cap

            Spackle fills holes. Are you talking about Spätzle?

          • DrBigHead

            Oh
            My
            God

            I know what I am making this weekend

          • Oblios_Cap

            with some Wiener schnitzel…

          • DrBigHead

            Thinking of saurbraten. In for a penny…..

          • cmd resistor

            My kid is like that.

          • DrBigHead

            Hell, I live in Tucson and I like Taco Bell (wait, was that my outside voice?).

          • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

            OK, now you’re just being silly. NOBODY likes Taco Bell.

          • MynameisBlarney
          • Oblios_Cap

            I hear that in the future, Taco Bell will be the only restaurant around.

          • Lord Jim

            Great Scott!

          • MynameisBlarney

            That is a…(WAIT FOR IT!)

            shitty future.

            http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/square/000/011/203/Capture.PNG

            YEEEEEAAAAAAAAH!!!

          • Lord Jim

            I like KFC too. Even Mickey D’s sometimes (mostly for the cheap). But I also like other things, occasionally. Unlike Drumpf, I don’t think I could subsist on just KFC and McD.

        • MynameisBlarney

          Heated Spackle in a tub and simulated “meat” gravy.

      • DrBigHead

        Used to be a German/Czech restaurant in Tucson that provided individual gravy boats with some menu items. This was excellent gravy, though.

        I loved that place.

        • vukojebina_MΩment

          You had me at German/Czech.
          Now please excuse me while I grab a new bundle of paper towels to clean up the drool.

    • LesBontemps

      Hey, you don’t get to be “239 lbs” by eating salad.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Depends on the salad actually.

        • mike

          Still here? You missed another comma.

          • Gosala

            @WomanInAMood

            Waiting time’s over.

        • yyyaz

          Tater salad, macaroni salad, Waldorf salad …

          • MynameisBlarney

            Or an otherwise perfectly healthy salad drowned in ranch.

          • yyyaz

            Ooh, that reminds me: Bachelor salad — head of iceberg held in one hand over the kitchen sink and a bottle of Hidden Valley in the other hand. Bon apetit!

          • puredog

            Cobb salad, Caesar salad, taco salad. . .

    • Cornelius Fussbudget

      Those tubs of gravy and mashed potatoes in front of him are really enormous. Also, there is some KFC take out in front of that, also too.

      • cmd resistor

        Aren’t the tubs KFC sides?

        • Cornelius Fussbudget

          I guess I was being to subtle, but I was trying to make a jokey about his belly being described as tubs of gravy and mashed potatoes. Oh well, I’ll try harder next time.

          • SDGeoff3

            I got it.

        • wavicles

          Usually people call ’em love handles. But in the case of this person, ‘kfc side tubs’ works.

          Also too, Trump and love handles in the same sentence breaks a sentence’s leg and you have to shoot it.

    • ziggywiggy

      What’s really crazy about that pic is that he’s eating KFC with a FORK AND KNIFE. Who does that?

      • SDGeoff3

        The heathen.

      • cmd resistor

        Rich people don’t use sporks.

      • Crank Tango

        This^^^^^^^!!!

      • He eats pizza like that too.

        • ziggywiggy

          Ugh, that give me a shiver.

  • Swampay

    Also! Too! If you use FOH tips to increase the pay of the cooks, then you can reduce the amount you pay the cooks directly! ERRBODY wins!

  • Ryan Denniston

    “Also, if you want to quibble with the numbers some, the EPI analysis appears to assume a worst-case scenario where all employers who couldtake employees’ tips would
    actually do that, and we’d like to hope that there is at least some
    tiny percentage of employers who are damnfool liberals who think paying a
    decent wage is worth doing.”

    Editrix doesn’t strike me as someone who would come for your tips Dok.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Just the tip…

      • wide_stance_hubby

        I doubt she’s Shy about that.

  • vukojebina_MΩment

    I’m currently revising my list of the first motherfuckers to be put up against Trump’s beautiful wall come the revolution.
    I am forbidden by the rules from listing my current draft list.

    • DT

      DM me..

    • elviouslyqueer

      Oh please. Just put down AOT,K – R and boom, done.

    • OutOfOrbit

      I am into guillotines & nooses

    • Bobathonic

      Can you post a list of folks you think could use a tumbrel ride (no need to declare a destination)?

    • PlutoAnimus

      Ooh! Ooh!

      Can I be in the firing squad?

      Pleeeeease?

  • Teecha

    Now, you could call me crazy, but when I worked in a restaurant, and in a pub, I earned an adequate hourly rate and any tips (rare in restaurant, unheard of in pub) were a lovely little extra on my wages. And that was in the days before a minimum wage* existed in Britain. So maybe, employers could just directly charge their customers for the cost of the goods and the service and a tip would be a lovely little extra if service went above and beyond.

    *was meant to be the end of the fucking world IIRC. world is not ended.

    • Martini A, very stable genius

      Here in socialist shithole France, they don’t really have a tipping culture. That’s because employers are obligated to pay servers a living wage. So far, the country hasn’t blown up.

      • 🍁 Møøse Fuddlin’ Girl Guide 🍁

        “That’s because employers are obligated to pay servers a living wage.”

        …which is probably because France has a history of letting aristocrats know where they can stick their cake…

        • Martini A, very stable genius

          There is a saying that goes something to the effect of “in the US people are afraid of the government, in France the government is afraid of the people.” Seems accurate.

        • And yet jokes of the LOL FRENCHIES ARE ALWAYS ON STRIKE are common among even US libruls. Perhaps it’s because Frenchies are always on strike that poverty isn’t so bad and the fascist didn’t win the last Presidential.

    • SayItWithWookies

      I don’t think Egalitarian Fairyland is the direction this particular handbasket is headed.

  • mardam422

    Well, that Kenyan Usurper Obama was just letting those terrible wimmin servers take money from those poor immigrants in the back. Whereas Donald the Greatest is actually helping those poor starving, maybe even undocumented, immigrants make a better life. No business is ever going to just STEAL them. Gracious!! The thought!!!
    Libtards.

  • P S

    if it passes, I will stop tipping. Done

    • h4rr4r

      Just tip in cash, or stay home.

      • weejee

        FWIW, we almost always do.

  • Martini A, very stable genius

    If employers aren’t going to be honest about distributing tips to the people that are busting their humps to earn them, I don’t see any reason for servers to be honest about pooling them. Another reason for all of us to tip in cash—way harder for employers to steal something that can’t otherwise be tracked.

  • Gosala

    Pffft… why do workers need monies? Its not like they’re the job creators!!1!

    Make America Gay Again

    • 🍁 Møøse Fuddlin’ Girl Guide 🍁

      When are we going to start talking about automation already?

      Never, Katie?

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Heads need to roll in this country. Down the lane, down the gutter, into the Trump sewers.

  • vukojebina_MΩment

    OT
    Heilige fliegendefledermausscheisse*, Batman!
    Pentagon Suggests Countering Devastating Cyberattacks With Nuclear Arms
    That 400-pounder in mom’s basement is just asking for it now!

    *Holy flying batshit.

    • Bobathonic

      Well, that will really change the nature of those SWATting attacks.

    • 🍁 Møøse Fuddlin’ Girl Guide 🍁

      Trump lives in his mother’s basement?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      “By golly, these gnats won’t stand a chance!”

    • yyyaz

      Zombie Curtis LeMay has been unleashed!

      • Toomush Stability

        Why can’t I double upfist this????…

      • mailman27

        No cyberattacks in the Stone Age.

  • h4rr4r

    All I am hearing is to start tipping in cash.

    I normally avoid it as I do expect servers to pay taxes, however this changes that dynamic.

    • elviouslyqueer

      Your base rate is taxed (that would be the $2.30/hr “salary” you get) and, IIRC, you had to keep track of your tips and report them at tax time.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        you’re supposed to, but many don’t.

      • h4rr4r

        Yes, and many don’t. Underreporting was very common.
        Taxes are how we buy civilization.

        • MynameisBlarney

          Pretty sure civilization won’t crumble from servers under-reporting their tips.
          I’m kinda thinkin’ it’s the corporate fuckholes evading taxes that will aid in our demise.

          • h4rr4r

            No, but I think it is important everyone play their part.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Like the corporate fuckholes gaming the system to make us pay the lions share?

          • h4rr4r

            The same crime, just a different scale.
            The kid that steals your TV while you are at work, would be just as happy to steal your 401k.

          • MynameisBlarney

            HA! I don’t got neither of them!

          • h4rr4r

            OK hipster. The same person that would steal your computing device would gladly ruin our economy to make a buck.

          • Lord Jim

            We’d certainly be better off if we just required servers be paid a living wage instead of having to rely on tips.

      • notaten

        Some places assume you get a percentage of your check as a tip and withhold taxes from your pay based on that assumed amount. So if the total of all of your checks for the shift was $350 then they would withhold taxes from $35 based on tips they assume you’ve made.

    • Magma Cardhole jesterpunk

      Then you have to worry about the employers firing the employees for not making enough tips and being bad at their jobs if they don’t report the tips. Its going to be fucked up.

      • goCatgo

        I hired terrible servers. They never made more than $5 a day in tips.

  • vukojebina_MΩment
    • OutOfOrbit

      had to cross my eyes to see it & now they are stuck

    • elviouslyqueer

      You know who else had Nein on his clock?

      FINE. I know the way out.

      • TundraGrifter

        Herman Cain?

  • Crank Tango

    Who eats fried chicken with a knife and fork?

    • elviouslyqueer

      The same bloated asshole who eats pizza with a fork.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      OK, pizza is one thing, but this is pretty ridiculous.

      • Crank Tango

        Like the Colonel always said, it’s fork lickin good!

    • MynameisBlarney

      Same folks that eat pizza with a knife and fork.

      • Crank Tango

        I’d hate to see him eat chicken wings. He probably uses an oyster fork.

        • elviouslyqueer

          *confession*

          I eat cocktail weenies with an oyster fork.

          /*confession*

          • Crank Tango

            I don’t blame you. Have you seen the price of cocktail buns lately?

          • SDGeoff3

            Glad to hear someone has found a use for them! Pinky up or down?

          • elviouslyqueer

            Up, always!

    • Who eats a steak well done with ketchup?

      We already killed the poor cow, don’t cremate its remains and pour garbage sauce on it.

    • Manders

      Someone who eats garbage, but is too fastidious to actually *touch* the garbage.

  • I wonder if he ate the whole bucket?

    • Edith Prickly, Stable Genius

      I don’t. You know he did.

    • I think he’s more of a eat the skin and throw the rest away kind of guy.

    • Crank Tango

      Plenty of roughage in those buckets. Closest he’s come to vegetable in weeks.

  • MynameisBlarney

    I’ve started tipping bigger since I heard about this shit.

  • Michael R

    Stormy Daniels claims Trump told her she was ‘just like his daughter’

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/92ec70dff1586a4af55759ca41ae23548a5487cd61c86fd574842aa7b8da0684.jpg

  • Squeegee

    Trump should send unofficial third daughter Stormy to Oslo in exchange for more blonde haired blue eyed Norwegian immigrants to America.

    That is what I call free trade!!!

    • Me not sure

      Ladies and gentlemen, your new ambassador to Norway. The reception line will form to the right. Latex gloves available upon request.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      OTOH, he should not send that daft DHS head there, lest the Norwegians take offense.

      • Magma Cardhole jesterpunk

        He will just pick someone like his Ambassador to the Netherlands.

        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42460055

      • I like to think that Obama spends his days phoning up world leaders saying, “Seriously… yeah, yeah, I know… I know he’s an idiot, but it’s just three more years…”

    • Beelzebubba

      A fake blonde with fake tits -the perfect Trump representative.

  • Me not sure

    Here’s a nice tip. If you are a working person don’t vote for Republicans. And you can take that to the bank.

    • TundraGrifter

      A working person voting for a Republican candidate makes just as much sense as a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.

      • Oblios_Cap

        I’ve seen that bumper sticker.

        • TundraGrifter

          It certainly isn’t original to me. I continue to think it’s pretty funny. Right up there with “…like a whitetail deer joining the NRA.”

  • Paperless Tiger

    This reminds me of a pattern I noticed when I was a labor representative. The companies routinely break a contract rule, then, in negotiations, they propose getting rid of the rule since it’s not being enforced anyway.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    I worked BOH for years. Frankly, I think tips should be shared.

    • Me not sure

      Not shared with the boss, though.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        Of course not. But I worked in kitchens for a long time. And made a pittance.

        • Me not sure

          People don’t realize how gruelling that work can be.

      • Bobathonic

        Hey, if you can’t trust the boss to divvy it up fairly…oh wait, you CAN’T trust the boss to divvy it up fairly.

        • Me not sure

          What is this “divvy” of which you speak, vassel?

    • TundraGrifter

      How about just paying everybody what they should earn and giving up on tips entirely?

      • Me not sure

        Commie!

      • Jeffery Campbell

        Already happening here at Danny Meyer’s restaurants.

    • msanthropesmr

      WE always shared tips in all the restaurants I have worked in. I always worked BOH.

      • WomanInThePersistence

        You worked in a decent place.

        • msanthropesmr

          Last place I worked was the Cellar Restaurant in Blacksburg. Best boss I ever had.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Should i ever find myself in Blacksburg, I will eat there.

    • Magma Cardhole jesterpunk

      I really think workers should be paid enough by their employer to not need to rely on tips. Europe manages to do it and consider it an insult if you tip.

      • Bobathonic

        If McDonald’s can do without tips, it seems anyone could.

        • Magma Cardhole jesterpunk

          I work with people all over the world. We had one training class for work where someone came over from Spain and didnt understand tipping because its not a thing over there. All their workers get mandatory paid vacation, sick time and are paid enough to not have to rely on customers paying their salary.

  • TundraGrifter

    There’s another piece to his terrible idea. The IRS will estimate what tips an individual “should” have received in a given occupation in a given area of the US of A. If the amount declared on that person’s Federal tax return is lower – the taxpayer will have to prove she or he didn’t receive more. Good luck with that! Also.

  • Mavenmaven

    Stormy Daniels will tell us about Trump’s tip.

  • Ryan Denniston
  • Beelzebubba

    “Comments not accepted” is what you find when you try. More Trumptastic fuckery/incompetence.

    • Ryan Denniston

      Is the link a redirect to Wonket?

    • puredog

      It is, like everything else cyber-federal, a terribly user-unfriendly website, but I did manage to post a comment. When the linked-to place says “to post a comment, follow the instructions at etc.” and you go to THAT link, then search for “pooling tips,” and look for a button that says “comment now.”

  • tomamitai

    My Mother used to work as a waitress and she said the worst tips she ever got were from rich republicans, so it doesn’t surprise me at all that a republican administration would want to stiff every tip-dependent worker in the country.

    • elviouslyqueer

      I did a server gig for a while out in a rich suburb. By far, the absolute worst tippers were churchgoers who came in to graze at our buffet after getting their Jesus on.

      And before y’all say “But it’s a buffet,” I was still getting them water, coffee, tea, replacing their used plates with new ones, doing special orders (eggs, mostly, because our resto offered that option). I would almost invariably get stiffed by these folks, when I wasn’t getting “tracted” or, once, told that “my reward would be in heaven.”

      • tomamitai

        I always tip at a buffet, even when all they do is bus my table.

        • Oblios_Cap

          Most buffets I go to are owned by working immigrant families, so I do it too.

        • SDGeoff3

          Twenty percent.

        • Mentally Stable Ron

          Yup. And it’s depressing how grateful they are – I assume because most of the customers don’t.

      • Lord Jim

        “Christians” are notoriously the worst tippers in all all service industries. Their lousy-ass excuse about heavenly rewards is just them using religion as a shield for selfishness. Jesus gonna have a couple of words for them, and neither one of them will be “Happy Birthday.”

      • Bob

        A lot of fundies get bible tracts disguised as dollar bills, so they can be out the door before the server realizes they’ve been stiffed

  • Red Bird

    I’m not surprised by this. I hope people stop tipping because of this.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Yeah. Because people waiting tables are so overpayed. Im generally a nice person, but you genuinely have pissed me off.

      • amrak63

        I’m not agreeing with RB, but I’m guessing RB is thinking that the workers aren’t going to get the money, anyway.

        • Oblios_Cap

          Make employers pay their labor costs and we won’t have any more Guy Fiere types being able to open multiple restaurants.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          I’m from the BOH team. But stiff a server? Fuck that.

      • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

        I am absolutely NOT approving of this bill at all, but there is one part of it that’s being overlooked: It forces businesses that want to do this tip-pooling stealing to pay everyone at least minimum wage. So the days of $2.39 an hour plus tips would be over.

        Yes, yes, I agree…that’s little consolation. But I always hated that law anyway.

        • gd

          I don’t think that’s quite right. They can still pay 2.39 but have to give you enough of the tip money to make minimum wage. Anything over that, they can now keep.

      • Red Bird

        Sorry. It wasn’t meant to sound harsh. I’m just upset that the servers may not actually get the tip I give them.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          It’s appalling that people aren’t paid a decent living. Seriously. But, and I say this with friendship, suggesting that folks be stiffed, well that doesn’t work for me.

          • Red Bird

            I understand what you’re saying. I don’t want them to be stiffed either.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            Then may I gently suggest you not advocate doing that?

          • Red Bird

            Sure. I have no problem with continuing to tip.

  • Rick Hill

    Another side of this becoming law: Those cheap asshats *cough-libertarian-cough* who will have another excuse not to tip, claiming it will only go to the business who already will not pay their workers a decent wage.

  • amrak63

    How about a basic income for all, and the necessities of life such as health care being provided by taxation, as is done in civilized countries, in addition to fair pay for workers?

    By taxation, I especially mean heavy taxation of the McDucks, which would have the added salutary effect of leaving them less money to buy candidates with.

    • Magma Cardhole jesterpunk

      You mean kind of like how we used to do it where the top marginal tax rate for businesses was above 90% and they tried to keep employees?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Ah, the good old days…when businesses thought beyond the mentality of MBAs totally focused on the current fiscal quarter.

        • amrak63

          “Mentality of MBAs”

          Oxymoron alert!

          • Oblios_Cap

            I resemble that remark! But I’m not a corporate MBA type. I guess that’s why I can sleep at night.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Thanks Mr Hedo has an MBA as well. (of course he is Canadian.)

        • Lord Jim

          Businesses in those days prided themselves on serving all stakeholders – shareholders, employees, and the community in which they were located.

          • Oblios_Cap

            How quaint!

      • amrak63

        Yeah, wasn’t that how we did it under that [snark] librul Democrat Commie traitor [/snark] Eisenhower?

        • Magma Cardhole jesterpunk

          Yep it was high up until Saint Ronny Raygun.

      • georgiaburning

        90% top rate, with deductions for reinvesting money into plant equipment and employee development. That worked!

        • Magma Cardhole jesterpunk

          Those deductions lower profits which means less money gets taxed. You don’t even need deductions for things like that since business tax rates are on profits already.

          • Jeffery Campbell

            What?

    • 🍁 Møøse Fuddlin’ Girl Guide 🍁

      I would go further than that and say we should also too have a jobs guarantee program, like FDR’s CCC and WPA. Since it’d be almost entirely public-sector jobs, like education and, I don’t know, tourism? Parks preservation? it’d of course be funded by taxes. But you can’t just mete out a check without providing some replacement for the position that people did previously. People need to feel like they’re doing something “meaningful,” otherwise they’re going to go stir-crazy with nothing to do. The people who are unemployed even now want to work. Especially the ones who are disabled and can’t.

      My mother has friends who are terrified of retirement, not because they don’t have enough money but because they don’t just want to sit in a rocking chair and atrophy into old age. When the majority of the population gets made redundant and is left with nothing but that dreaded rocking chair — in their thirties — you’re going to have a mass existential crisis on your hands. We have never in the history of human existence had a situation where the mere concept of human labor is effectively obsolete.

      People are very much attached to the idea of work as identity, work as a life purpose. Telling them that the robots will make things easier and leave them more time for leisure and vacations isn’t going to make them feel any better. Maybe it’s just an American thing or predominantly an American thing, what with the Protestant work ethic and all. But Durkheim was French writing about what happened to the previous Industrial Revolution’s manual laborers who’d lost their reason for living because they’d lost their way of earning a “living,” and it wasn’t any more pleasant then than it’s going to be now. You either give people replacement jobs or you let them go to the euthanasia clinics. People may hate their jobs with a passion but they hate unemployment even more.

      • amrak63

        Huh? I think I would love subsidized idleness.

        • 🍁 Møøse Fuddlin’ Girl Guide 🍁

          Subsidized idleness is what we have now and people are already going berserk. The suicide rate has skyrocketed in the USA and it’s largely due to unemployment and underemployment. Not only the poverty connected to it but the feeling of worthlessness. You spend all this time getting a university degree that leads to a minimum-wage burger job that’s going to be replaced by a robot anyway. It’s humbling, and it’s heartbreaking, because basically it’s a form of rejection. You’re not wanted or needed anymore to do whatever it is you do. Nobody here goes to school for its own sake. You start out at 6 years old and spend 12 years training to go to university or junior college. Why do you go to university or junior college? To get a job. If jobs don’t exist anymore, do you really think Americans are going to bother even going to school at all? It’s going to require a massive rethinking on a scale of millions and that’s going to be a catastrophic reckoning that a lot of people aren’t going to be able to adjust to at all. It’s easy to say “well, fuck them” but I don’t really think that’s fair or humane. At the very least give them something else to do that they can just walk into the WPA office and sign on for. Not just that dreaded rocking chair.

          This is why retirees — well, a lot of them anyway — sink into depression, like my mother’s friends above. They no longer have any purpose or reason to get up in the morning (or whenever) and do something toward a goal. It’s more than the paycheck. It’s identifying yourself as “I am a ___”. If that blank stays blank, you’re basically saying “I’m nothing.” A former ___ means you’re not ___ anymore. That chapter is closed; it’s over, it’s dead, and that means sooner or later you will be too. Unemployment is a dreaded chasm. It’s a graveyard. It’s bleak. It’s a wave of mass death. People need a reason to live. And in America at least, the primary reason to live is to work.

          • Yellerduck

            It *does* leave more time for staying home and watching, “Ow, My Balls!”

          • Mentally Stable Ron

            You mention the worker displacement during the Industrial Revolution. There was an option available then that isn’t any more – you could go somewhere else where your skills might still be of some use. You could put yourself to the challenge of really making something of yourself that you couldn’t at home. Yeah, it was risky, but really not much more than whatever it was you’d been doing before.
            We desperately need a safety valve.
            Used to hang around a lot of SF cons. One popular opinion was, well, we can go to space, use THAT as the frontier, send people there. I’d always laugh, because we are CENTURIES from being able to do something like that. And by then the current problem will have to be solved, or we won’t be in any position to send anyone anywhere.

      • One of the things I was advocating for in the stimulus, which didn’t happen, was something like the CCC. I know in my area there are a lot of those facilities, and these days, they need a lot of repair and updating. It’s also not something that’s easily automated.

  • Beelzebubba

    “Public” comments my ass. They’ll just go with the opinion of the Russian bots.

  • 🍁 Møøse Fuddlin’ Girl Guide 🍁

    OT: Jeffbo is an idjit. He knows that Canadia takes in people from Trump’s shithole countries, doesn’t he? In fact, a lot of racist Harpercons are shitting bricks about this more and more, believe me.

    Jeff Sessions says U.S. should be “more like Canada” when it comes to immigration

    Moran. Dipshit ‘Muricans need to stop relying on Canada for their bullshit bigotry. KKKeebler knows fuck-all about Canada otherwise he’d be aware that Trudeau’s own riding of Papineau in Montréal consists of a substantial Haitian population. The minister of immigration himself, Ahmed Hussen, is from Somalia. And he’s a fucking boss.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9EXoKb7el4

    • Lord Jim

      Jeffty is an evil racist – but I repeat myself.

    • jowgajen

      Canada takes refugees. (imagine me repeating this like 100x)

      Also immigration rules between Commonwealth nations (a diverse lot) are more relaxed than rules for immigrants from outside the Commonwealth.

      • 🍁 Møøse Fuddlin’ Girl Guide 🍁

        I really wish NAFTA had a version of Schengen. There is no reason why Mexico shouldn’t be treated like an equal partner with its northern neighbors except that the U.S. is a racist shithole country. Trudeau went ahead and did his own version of sorts, removing the visa requirement for Mexico in 2016 (and on Canada Day at that). But it needs to be a three-amigos partnership. We should make English, French and Spanish the three official languages of the continent and teach them accordingly in school. We need more integration, not isolation. ‘Course I’m preaching to the choir here and morans like Jeffbo will never listen.

        • This is just a gorgeous vision. I love this.

        • Mentally Stable Ron

          Three languages? I could get behind that, though one would have to start young with the kids, and keep at it. The usual suspects would kvetch, but they kvetched when French was made a mandatory course well into high school, and they can be ignored.
          I’ll mention that in Toronto, it’s usual for kids to learn English, French AND whatever language their relatives speak. It’s part of the curriculum, in schools in heavily ‘ethnic’ (sorry, can’t think of a better word) neighbourhoods. This is why it’s the most popular place for immigrants to Canada to wind up – you get your new land plus that connection to the old.
          Now, if they’d just hire fewer godsdamned racist cops…

    • OrdinaryJoe

      We need to crack down on the flood of Keebler Elves. We have one too many already.

  • One of the worst, if not the worst, jobs I had was working for a chain convenience store. Every month, corporate would send the manager a “profit share bonus” to be split among the staff as a reward for performance. Amazingly, somehow, the manager never managed to give out any it, since we weren’t “performing to standard” according to her. Then she was complaining around town that everyone kept leaving.

  • Me not sure

    I don’t care how good the service is, I ain’t tipping these guys https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c1864e9270ed0561b00e07bc4c47698c0e3385c70632f18bae5262a91aff65dd.jpg

    • Nockular cavity

      Slogan: “Today your cup, tomorrow the world!”

      • Lord Jim

        🎵The best part of wakin’ up
        Is Nazis with your cup!🎵

    • You think they’ll give you a choice?

      • Me not sure

        “When your name is called pick up your latte and get on the train!”

        • OrdinaryJoe

          But leave your suitcase.

          • Me not sure

            There’s creamer and sugar in the boxcar. I swear!

    • Oblios_Cap

      “No soup for you!”

    • Doug Langley

      I hear their Zyklon B roast blend is to die for.

      • Me not sure

        It’s a gas, man!

    • Bob

      I did nazi that coming O_O

      • Me not sure

        Neither will Starbuck’s. Blitzcafe.

  • But, of COURSE it’s OK for the employers to keep all the tips. That way, the economy grows, and they hire more workers, and pay them all well, and give great benefits, like health insurance and company parties where they have unicorn rides, and everybody wins so much they get tired of winning so much.

    • Me not sure

      Don’t piss on my head and call it trickle down.

    • Ellie

      I have been told that Insta Cart keeps all tips. That is a grocery delivery service found in many places around the country. I don’t know this from first hand knowledge, but that’s what I have been told by someone with a child employed by them.

      • alpacapunchbowl

        I think it’s what they call the service fee, which they have set up in the system to make it seem like it’s a tip that goes to the delivery people. I use Instacart somewhat regularly and I generally like it, but I’ve taken to giving the drivers cash tips. Same as when I order pizza or Thai or whatever. I give them even more actually- I don’t have a car so it’s a good way to stock up on heavy shit that I don’t want to deal with on the bus or train, and they carry that heavy shit up to my 2nd floor apartment for me.

        • Ellie

          I have a shopper who gives me better service than Instacart, both in choosing groceries, and in bringing them into my home and remembering what I like or don’t like. But, if I’m in a position to have to use Insta Cart again, I will remember what you said, and tip in cash, rather that on that form.

          • Karen Marie

            The grocery delivery service from Safeway (bought out by Albertson’s) prohibits delivery people accepting tips. I haven’t tried throwing money on the ground next to their vehicle because I have only had the one delivery, and the person was pretty adamant that he couldn’t take a tip.

  • Blackest Noobs

    O/T: we had some snow but nothing like Boston snow and find out my work has a ton of pussies as in cowards and women. i went earlier to my volunteer gig, and the roads, while it was snowing, were perfectly fine. when i left, the roads, again, perfectly fine. like you didn’t even have to drive cautiously it was that fucking fine.

    and sure the employers said liberal use of leave….but why in the fuck would you waste your leave on a day that you could easily come into work? like there was zero issues….i even went on a back road and IT WAS FINE. NO PROBLEMO.

    • Paperless Tiger

      Atlanta got an inch so they shut the city down.

      • Blackest Noobs

        Hotlanta got a history of bad drivers in 1/4 inch of snow, so there’s that.
        like one of the call outs….she GREW UP IN INDIANA….you know where it actually fucking snows….and she couldn’t drive on perfectly fine roads…no slippery no ice no snow on ’em.

        • Oblios_Cap

          If it was free leave, use it!

          • Blackest Noobs

            it’s not free leave, it’s a liberal use of it, meaning you may take day off using your annual leave….which is usually reserved for i dunno a vacation or a day off.

      • Jeffery Campbell

        Buckhead and the Angry Inch.

        • Me not sure

          Well played.

      • Jeffery Campbell
    • WomanInThePersistence

      “a ton of pussies as in cowards and women”.

      Seriously, what is wrong with you?

      • SDGeoff3

        Nothing that a block won’t cure. It’s a troll. It’s been developing and morphing ever since it arrived some time ago.

        • Karen Marie

          I’ve now blocked him. I’ve never blocked anyone on Disqus before – turns out it’s easy!

          • SDGeoff3

            When it first appeared, it was fairly benign, but things started getting a bit bizarre a couple of weeks ago. And the past few days; geez louise!

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            I was debating but last nights hateful tirade did me in.

          • sarafina

            It is easy. I refrained for a long time, but when I did block a few, I found I really liked it.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            When they are just being obnoxious and add nothing to the conversation, I do as well.

      • hanadora444

        Just a lonely, pathetic soul desperately trying to get some attention.

      • everstar

        I suspect there’s a long, long list somewhere that answers your question.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Yeah, because misogyny is so new to me.

      • Blackest Noobs

        they’re pussies literally and figuratively…geez…can’t take a joke..sure it’s mean….but it’s a joke.

        • Karen Marie

          I think you need to review the meaning of “joke.”

          • Blackest Noobs

            i’ve been called nigger ( A LOT) so there’s that.
            but i didn’t lose my shit about it.

            because it’s a fucking word. a word has only the power you let it.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Well, that makes it ok, then. I mean, you should be able to expect that everyone is exactly like you. Thanks for explaining that so us stupid women can understand with our cowardly ladybrains.

        • mohave rocky

          Another vote against your diction. Also we discourage “tard” in the noncomments

    • Down here in Houston it was below 20s since last night, and the FUCKING METRO WASNT RUNNING UNTIL 15 MINUTES AGO.

      So really, GFY and your “harder-working than thou” attitude – I know enough to not go out when it’s dangerous.

      (I needed advice to keep from cussing out my call center supervisor who chose to encourage me to come in when the buses started running at 2pm. )

      • Blackest Noobs

        it’s not hard work attitude or ethic, just don’t wanna waste my earned leave for a fucking non-snow snow day.

    • Me not sure

      Just like a liberal to try and make the slackers look bad, hiding your laziness behind a facade of working.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      Well maybe 1) you have a better and more reliable car than they do or 2) they hate their job and take every opportunity to not go to work or 3) they have kids and school was canceled and they can’t afford a babysitter or 4) the road where they live hasn’t been plowed yet. There are probably more reasons, but I can’t think of them now.

      The last time we had a really heavy snowfall where I live (22 inches) they got all the main roads plowed within 24 hours, but they didn’t get to the side roads until after 48 hours, and they didn’t plow my subdivision until after 72 hours, which meant I couldn’t leave the house for 3 days. But I was able to work from home using the corporate VPN, so I did.

      • Blackest Noobs

        1) nope, their cars are ok
        2)maybe but why waste your leave ( also they’re cutting us loose earlier)
        3)none of the slackers have kids ( in school, one has older adult kids but im pretty sure they don’t need their parent since they’re adults)
        4) seriously…this was JUST A DUSTING….like i drove down roads i knew prone to being iffy in Inclement weather, which this was soooo not…even those roads were FINE.

        • Karen Marie

          “pussies as in cowards and women”

          Really?

          • sarafina

            I noticed that too. The men on here are not as enlightened/progressive as they like to pretend.

          • Blackest Noobs

            maybe you need thicker skin….hmmm no maybe you do

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Yep, sure…thicker skin.

            Why can’t we humorless bitches take a joke, right?

    • Espadron

      So…you’re upset because they (by your measurements) wasted their leave? or are you upset that they don’t have the inane work ethic of yesteryear?

    • Old Man Yells at Cloud

      Not everyone is as studly a driver as you obviously are.

  • georgiaburning

    I worked in a hotel/restaurant for several months in my younger days and its stuck with me. Tip in cash. Be generous because karma comes back. If a server is really helpful give s/he an extra something on the side.

    • Maclare’s Bodega o’ Crap 🏪

      Will the new law require servers to report to employers all cash tips, though?

      • georgiaburning

        Hard to trace.

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        I worked in quite a few restaurants in my sproggier days. Every restaurant I ever worked for had the servers declare enough cash tips per shift to bring them up to minimum wage – no more, no less – regardless of whether you actually made that or more during your shift.
        Tips from catering, large parties, or credit cards were paycheck tips, and you’d get them on payday (and if you didn’t keep careful track of how much you made on them, this was where “mistakes” that magically were always in the house’s favor were frequently made).
        Sometimes, if you didn’t have a lot of paycheck tips, your check would be ridiculously small (I’ve gotten paychecks of 65 cents) or even negative money because you’d have to pay taxes and FICA on what they assumed you made in cash tips.

  • I live in one of those solidly Republican rural areas. One of the replies I’ve started to make when people here start complaining about things like this, and the other things Republicans are doing is to ask if they voted Republican in the last election. If they answer yes, then I say “You’re getting what you voted for.”

    • Jeffery Campbell

      And then you just get that vacant stare…..

      • Bitter Scribe

        And then they blame Obama. Because Fox News told them to.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      When Obama was Prez I used to run into retired white people bitching about socialism, and I would ask them if they were receiving Social Security. They always said yes. I’d tell them “You’ll have to give it back.” “What??” “Yes, Social Security is socialism, so if you’re against socialism, you’ll have to give it all back.” Then I got vacant stares and silence.

      • Lisa Churinskas-Hulit

        Used to say basically the same thing when I would help people fill out Medicaid applications for their family members in need of custodial care in a nursing home – “Oh. So you’re saying you don’t WANT to apply and I should tear up the application?” Nervous laughter and sheepish grins inevitably followed!

  • Ellie

    The current President is a big fan of stealing workers’ wages, so I’m quite sure he will back this all the way and fight hard to see that it happens.

  • alpacapunchbowl

    This could be good news for services like Venmo. If this shit goes through, I’d rather get my server’s handle and magically send a tip directly to them through the magic of the interwebzes.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      I had not heard of Venmo, so I looked it up. It sounds pretty much like PayPal. What are the advantages of Venmo over PayPal?

      • alpacapunchbowl

        I think PayPal might own Venmo, actually. It’s an app that’s basically like Chase quickpay or any of those other bank thingies where you can send/request money, but it doesn’t matter which bank the person’s account is linked to. I never used PayPal because I found it unwieldy (and doesn’t PayPal charge fees or something?). Venmo’s very streamlined and makes it easy to find people and exchange funds (and no fees).

        • Angela Ruzzo

          PayPal charges fees for sellers of items or services, but you can send money to friends and family free. I think they charge a small fee if you use a credit card to send money, but I’m not sure because I send directly from my bank account, which is free. All you need to know is the PayPal account ID of the other person. When people send me money using PayPal, I can transfer it to my bank account free, or I can leave it in my PayPal account and use it to buy things.

  • Maclare’s Bodega o’ Crap 🏪

    Pisses me off as a daughter of a waiteress.

  • susan_g

    “These people bust their ass. This is a hard job… Waitressing is the
    number-one occupation for female non-college graduates in this country.
    It’s the one job basically any woman can get and make a living on. The
    reason is because of their tips.” –Harvey Keitel, in Reservoir Dogs

    • Sakonyachen

      I believe he was Mr. White at that point.

  • Nodrama4mama

    I usually tip in cash and joke with the servers its so they can have their tip and not the government- however my tip is not for them to share with their boss. When my kids were small I used to tip the bussers for the additional work my kids made because they are kids.

    On topic, I am raging about this, so does someone have a good comment prepared, since mine will have extensive use of the word motherfucker?

    • sarafina

      I made a very basic comment, while adding restaurant staff should have a higher minimum wage. I am deeply fatiqued by all this winning.

    • Old Man Yells at Cloud

      When its from the heart, prolific use of “motherfucker” is appropriate.

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    All this winning is making me tired.

  • Khavrinen

    And the great thing is, not only will the rest of the employees be sure get a share of the tips now, all the waitstaff will be so incentivized to give even better service, now that they know getting better tips will help out their co-workers, too. /sarcasm.

    • Sakonyachen

      That does seem to be a problem. I will definitely want to know which restaurants are skimming the tips, be it for cooks or the owner. I don’t want my drink poured on my head when I ask for extra horseradish.

  • Herewegoagain

    Have a Big Mac a day keeps the cholesterol .. way to go…………………………….I hope !

    By MICHAEL D. SHEAR
    The New York Times – ‎10‎:‎15‎ ‎AM

    Trump’s Physical Revealed Serious Heart Concerns, Outside Experts Say

    WASHINGTON — Cardiologists not associated with the White House said Wednesday that President Trump’s physical exam revealed serious heart concerns, including very high levels of so-called bad cholesterol, which raises the risk that Mr. Trump could suffer a heart attack while in office.
    Dr. Ronny L. Jackson, a rear admiral and the White House physician, said Tuesday in his report on the president’s medical condition that Mr. Trump was in “excellent” cardiac health despite having an LDL cholesterol level of 143, well above the desired level of 100 or less.
    Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist at the Scripps Research Institute, disputed that rosy assessment. He said on Wednesday that the most alarming fact is that the president’s LDL levels remain above 140 even though he is taking 10 milligrams of Crestor, a powerful drug that is used to lower cholesterol levels to well below 100.

    • Sakonyachen

      If one lives on fried food, Crestor can only take them well below 200. Drugs aren’t supposed to be the whole solution. Unless the subject is fat, lazy and stupid, which Trump apparently is.

    • James Lamere

      Prehistoric monster found dead on My-Lardo 13th green . Due to the creatures enormous weight the green is beyond repair .

  • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

    Also too

    What kind of maladjusted monster eats kfc with a knife and fork?

  • Shawn Renee Ernoehazy

    I wonder how this may impact the newest of the “employees” needing tips to survive; the Uber and Lyft drivers. I still cannot fathom how wages for jobs in the food service industry (also, people with disabilities, a totally different and awful law) can legally be below the $2 and change that has been on the books for so long.

  • jez

    of course you are aware that tipping of resturant employees died out many years ago in fact it was never a thing in the UK because resturant employees are very highly unionised and generally get a pay rate comparable with other service employees such as shop workers.

  • Billy Wigglestaff

    Okay, there’s a perspective missing from this discussion, unless I didn’t scroll down far enough. I worked in the restaurant industry for 25 years,mostly in the back of the house. There’s a hideous class system in many places between servers and cooks. I worked in a large corporate restaurant (4-5 restaurants in the Seattle area) where we sold 10.5 million in food in a year in the mid eighties. Kitchen staff worked for near minimum. I was a line lead, so I think I made 50 cents above. It was not unusual for servers to make $200 – $300 in tips for a four hour shift. There were probably 3-4 times that a server shared a bit of largesse with the staff, but most had little appreciation or understanding of the contributions of the cooks. Keep in mind, it’s probably ten times harder to hire a good cook than a good server. The servers were selected for youthful good looks, and earned their tips from patrons who felt they had a personal attendant while they dined.
    Over the years I worked in many other places, eventually running my own kitchens. The places that transcended the ugly divide were the few that had tip pooling, recognizing the essential team effort which is a successful restaurant. I wholeheartedly endorse the recent movement in Seattle,with the $15 minimum wage, towards paying everyone an equitable wage, raising menu prices, and eliminating tips. But I think there’s a tendency, even among my progressive brethren and sistren, to enjoy being waited on as a vestige of the patronage system and to flatter yourself that you have formed a personal connection with your server and are able to support them through your generosity. Employers shouldn’t be able to steal the tips, but tip pooling, where tips are used, is a wee bit of necessary socialism.

  • LiberalANDProud

    Don’t worry, it will all trickle down in the wash.

  • James Lamere

    According to their web-site , comments closed on Jan, 4th .These slime-ball fucking assholes must lie awake at night wondering how they can screw people who need every penny just to stay alive .

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