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Al Franken has just announced he will be resigning from the Senate in the coming weeks. His announcement came a day after a majority of his fellow Democratic senators decided that yeah, if they are going to have the moral high ground over a party led by an admitted sexual predator, a party that’s currently keeping a Senate seat warm for a man credibly accused of molesting children, they have to walk their talk. So Franken will go.

We know many Democrats have mixed feelings and emotions about this, and that’s OK. Nobody said the cultural shift happening right now was going to be comfortable.

Here’s the announcement:

Franken began his speech by saying how happy he is this conversation about sexual harassment and assault is happening, and he seemed a bit frustrated that the conversation had turned to him. Franken, for the record, still denies some of the allegations against him, and said he remembers other encounters “differently.” But, he said, “all women deserve to be heard and their experiences taken seriously.” We’ll co-sign that.

Also:

I, of all people, am aware that there is some irony in the fact that I am leaving while a man who has bragged on tape about his history of sexual assault sits in the Oval Office, and a man who has repeatedly preyed on young girls campaigns for the Senate with the full support of his party …

It’s a valid point. To be clear, Republicans will not stop ignoring motherfuckers like Donald Trump and Blake Farenthold and Roy Moore, and they will not hesitate to campaign against the Democrats’ “Al Franken problem.” As the Moore race has shown us, many in the GOP clearly believe it would be OK for a candidate to fuck a child in the middle of 5th Avenue, because hey, at least their candidate isn’t a DEMOCRAT.

Here’s hoping Democratic candidates in 2018 are ready for all this. The Wall Street Journal editorial board seems to think Democrats know exactly what they’re doing right now:

It is not hard to see what is going on here. The Democrats are creating a Frankenmoore nightmare for Donald Trump. Monday brought Mr. Trump’s [Roy] Moore endorsement, followed by a commitment of support from the Republican National Committee. The next day, Rep. John Conyers stepped down from his House seat, clearly under pressure from fellow Democrats.

This is what the state of play looks like: The Democrats are eliminating their stains, while the Republicans are endorsing theirs. You have to believe in magic to think this is going to end well for Republicans.

Do you believe in magic? We’ll see.

Here are a couple more quotes from Franken’s announcement:

“Serving in the United States Senate has been the honor of my life,” Franken said, choking up as he read his remarks, and vowing to stay active in public life. “I may be resigning my seat, but I’m not giving up my voice.” […]

“I know the work I’ve been able to do has made people’s lives better,” he said. “Even today, on the worst day of my political life, it has been worth it.”

Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton will appoint a replacement for now (it’s expected to be current Minnesota Lt. Gov. Tina Smith), and in November of 2018, there will be a proper special election for the rest of Franken’s term. If the GOP is lucky, Roy Moore might have a Bible-believing Christian friend in Minnesota who likes to fuck children who could be convinced to answer the call of duty and run.

Regardless of who the GOP runs, we will beat that person’s ass. (With votes!)

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  • canes_pugnaces

    Goddamn it, Al. Period.

  • TundraGrifter

    He didn’t mention David “Diaper” Vitter. Too bad.

  • armed_bears

    Evan Hurst FTW. But, dammit, I do not donate $11* a month to get rational, reasoned commentary here, people.

    * Cannot figure out how to cancel my initial $1 a month.

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      • armed_bears

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        • Johnatx

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          • armed_bears

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  • Joe Beese

    I don’t have to believe in magic to think that Republicans don’t have to worry about this. I just have to believe in the ignorance and hatred of Republican voters.

    • Meccalopolis

      we will never convince them, go for the fence sitters

      • armed_bears

        Yes. I am one. So no purity ponies, please.

  • anon_the_great

    Once more in the Culture Wars gutless LibDems shot themselves in the fuckin head rather than fight.

    • Machnethylsteinerbincolabird

      I am starting to think this guy might be a troll…

    • Bill O’Neil

      Indeed, Al should have stuck with “I’ll resign when Trump does”.

  • Meccalopolis

    hate being right about this. Time to start airing some pug fuckers dirty laundry

  • ArgieBargie

    This was the right decision with zero benefits for anyone but the victims, some of which even said they didn’t think Franken should resign.

    Now Republicans can continue focusing on getting more seats in Congress while Democrats are busy celebrating yet another empty moral victory (and yes, I know Minnesota’s Dem governor will appoint a Democrat, I mean long term).

    Remember: Republicans believe you are only guilty if you get caught, admit to it AND choose to resign. You can’t shame the shameless.

  • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

    Do you believe in magic?

    No. I hate that the right thing to do may help others kick our asses. But it’s still the right thing to do.

    Gonna be wine o’clock when I get home.

    • Oblios_Cap

      I don’t believe in magic either. But I do believe in due process.

      • ahughes798

        Which Franken didn’t get.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          Again, he’s not entitled to it. No one is unless they are in court on trial for their life or liberty. And it’s the same argument the Republicans are using to defend Moore – “He didn’t get due process. He didn’t get due process.”
          If we say our side is entitled to due process but their side isn’t, how are we better than them?

          • Oblios_Cap

            So just roll over at every accusation? Where has that gotten us? We’ve been doing it since the late 60s and look where we are now.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            I didn’t say that. All I am saying is that it’s hollow to use “due process” as an argument for this situation.

          • ahughes798

            He was entitled to a Senate Ethics Committee hearing, which he asked for. And didn’t get, because of unsubstantiated rumors.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            Again, how fast do you think the Republican who chairs that committee was going to move to honor that request?

          • ahughes798

            We’re a nation of laws, or we aren’t. Until this matter, innocent until proven guilty was how things worked. But now it’s the opposite, and only for Democrats.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            We are a nation of laws. But what laws apply here? Due Process and the presumption of innocence only apply in a courtroom. They don’t apply in the boardroom, the cloakroom, or the public arena. If they are given there, it is a privilege and not a right.

    • LeftyProud

      OMG, I have been thinking the same exact thing.

    • Daniel

      I can’t believe you said that. That writer on the Outline was so right. Or something less nineties. Dammit! How do I say that in a way that’s relevant to today’s youth? Aaaaaargh!

  • Tetman Callis

    Even were the Goppers inclined to scour, they would not be able to get their damned spots out.

  • Ricky-pus gutted tub of guts

    Yay! We are clean and superior again.
    I am off to do my superior dance!
    So much winning. Cha Cha Cha!

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • Anna Rompage

    Maleficent
    Assholes
    Groping
    Adolescents

  • Joe Beese

    He’ll be eligible for health insurance through the Screen Actors Guild after he gets kicked off the Senate plan – though the coverage probably isn’t as generous.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      I think he has enough money to self-pay.

    • Arolpin

      He’s probably in the Writers’ Guild too, and they have a fucking POWERFUL union. My brother’s life goal is to be the head of the MLBPA (baseball players’ union) but he would accept being the head of the Writers’ Guild, because neither of them accept any crap from the bosses.

  • anon_the_great

    Once again gutless LibDems shot themselves in the fuckin head rather than fight the Culture War.

    • anon_the_great

      This is how the Shitting of Hillary happened.

      • Andrew Rheinheimer

        That’s not an answer to the question. Care to go into detail?

      • sarafina

        Pretty much.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Tell me how we could have possibly won. They were never going to let it drop – they already set the equivalence, the media already bought it, and the public swallowed it. As long as he was there, no one on the right was going to let us say two words about Roy Moore without throwing Franken back at us. So I ask you again – tell me how we could have won.

      • jesterpunk

        Waiting for the investigation to complete and going with their recommendation would have been the way to win.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          Perhaps. But given how the Republicans are using every lever of power to bludgeon us how fast you think the three that sit on the Ethics Committee were going to move?

          • ahughes798

            We are going to get bludgeoned with this, anyway, and now we have 1 less senator who speaks for the little guy.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            He’s going to serve until Dayton appoints a new D to take his place, precisely to avoid any sort of GOP procedural twisting.

          • ahughes798

            Yeah, I bet that person will be a real fighter, just like Franken. I can hardly wait.

          • jesterpunk

            They would move pretty quickly if it meant they thought they could hurt democrats with it.

      • sarafina

        They are STILL going to throw Franken and Conyers back at us. Dirty Joe Barton is leaving, but Ducky Pajamas Blake may well stay there. All Dems have is fewer people on their side. (I do think Conyers should have stepped down. Paying people off is not a sign of innocence.)

    • If we clean house of sexual predators, surely that’s WINNING the culture war? I thought the culture war was partly about whether sexual harassment is “no big deal” or a shameful deed.

  • Scooby
  • Johnatx

    So, we can expect Farenthold’s resignation tomorrow? Franken did the right thing. Will it make any difference?

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      No one iota of difference. The purity ponies will jump and shout victory while the house is burning down around us.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Rethuglicans do not do “the right thing” in the conventional sense. Ever. They bask in their wrongness.

    • ahughes798

      Yes. It will continue the grand tradition of the Democratic Party’s circular firing squad. Franken shouldn’t have resigned. We have one less person on our side.

      • sarafina

        He shouldn’t have resigned before an investigation.

    • Of course not. Republicans are already the Party of Personal Responsibility. They don’t have to do stuff.

    • Ill-Advised

      I’ll disagree.

      I think it makes a huge difference to show that there are people who will put moral considerations above Party. Franken’s decision — which I disagreed with, but it’s not my life– shows what goodness looks like and serves a longer game.

      This is a politically smart move; in chess, it can be likened to a poisoned pawn (or a queen sacrifice).

      Take the piece.

      Lose the game.

      I am really putting a lot of trust on the Democrats on this: I hope they all gamed this out thoroughly.

  • Bitter Scribe

    God damn it.

    That’s all I got.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    This is so fucked up.

  • GoutMachine

    I’m in the middle of reading the Time “person of the year” cover story. This struck (emphasis mine):

    That political divide was revealed in the TIME/SurveyMonkey poll, which found that Republicans were significantly more likely to excuse sexual misdeeds in their own party. The survey found that while a majority of Republicans and Democrats agree that a Democratic Congressman accused of sexual harassment should resign (71% and 74% respectively), when the accused offender was in the GOP, only 54% of Republicans would demand a resignation (compared to 82% of Democrats).

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    OK, Republicans, we cleaned our house: don’t think we’re not going to let the crap on your side go:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f3562216f4d03f1fc7304f2a55aaff86b44b4b65429cd79f553a6678f833391.png

  • MynameisBlarney

    Yeah…
    I’ll be taking a break from commenting for a while.
    Have fun.

    • Victoria Ricola

      I’m not sure why you are taking time off and we may or may not be on a different page on this particular issue, but I’m on a break too and hope we both come back eventually because I like you. #meeeeetoooooo

      • MynameisBlarney

        Well, as you can see, my self-imposed exile lasted all of 3 minutes.

  • anon_the_great

    Meanwhile the fires in California will end only once they have burned to the Pacific Ocean. But please, let’s let Steve Bannon define the conversation

    • Ill-Advised

      *sprays Troll-B-gone*

      *shakes can*

      Should’ve gone shopping this morning.

      Fortunately, the rest of us can talk without your permission.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    We’ll always have the Al Franken Decade. https://view.yahoo.com/show/saturday-night-live/clip/40030884/the-al-franken-decade
    Sorry to get Dennis Miller on your Al Franken.

  • Pat_Pending

    I am really not happy about this. His behavior has been conflated into the bigger sexual predation issue. I understand the zero tolerance the Dems may be going after, but once again they’ve gone after a circular firing squad approach, weakening themselves further when they’re already weak. How about a censure and move on to the scary issues of keeping our Nation together? Fuck, man, we are dealing with REAL TRAITORS in the White House.

  • ahughes798

    Well, I hope all the purity pony police are content now. Now Dems can go back to losing. Hope you assholes are happy. You’re making me start to hate feminists and feminism.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I’m not happy. But I’m a realist and a pragmatist. This is gonna suck, but at some point we can’t defend our principles if we’re willing to sell them out to save one of our own.

      • MynameisBlarney

        He was thrown under the bus with no investigation.
        Mob rule forced him out.
        What principles are there to defend here?

        • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

          It really was mob rule.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          Well, we can start with the fact that we actually give a shit about women’s issue rather than pay lip service to them when it benefits us politically.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Why does wanting due process mean not supporting womens issues in this case?

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            Okay, so let’s play this out. There are three Republicans on the Ethics Committee, and since they hold the gavel they run the committee (it being an evenly-divided committee). Keeping Franken in the news cycle allows the GOP to deflect accusations against them and claim we don’t care. So how fast you think Johnny Isakson was going to move, and how much grandstanding was he going to do in the meantime?

          • MynameisBlarney

            Goddammit.
            They have totally rigged everything in their favor.
            The fucking fascist bastards.

          • BJW

            Truer words…*sigh*

          • weighmaster

            FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK

          • GlazedHaim

            It’s related to the notion that suggesting HRC was a problematic candidate was an opinion worthy of only the most sexistest.

      • ahughes798

        If I recall correctly, none of the Dem harridans called for Trumps resignation at the same time, did they? You’re right, it’s gonna suck. Because the Repubs are going to use Franken anyway, and will eventually win the seat in Minnesota. A totally worthless, hollow, pointless moral victory is what we “won.”

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          Considering the seat was “safe Democratic” (and Amy Kloubchar’s seat is also “safe Democratic”, and she’s up in 2018), saying that the Republicans are going to capture it is severely pessimistic considering the terrain there.

          • ahughes798

            Franken won his first election over Republithing Norm Coleman by a little over 300 votes. Those Coleman voters didn’t just vanish from the face of the earth, and now they have ammunition, thanks to the fake shitstorm around Franken.

          • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

            Coleman had the incumbency advantages in 2008 that Franken then used to win in 2014 by 6 points. Any R who runs for the open seat won’t have them, and the DFL party has the registration edge. Plus with another Senate seat on the ballot with a D incumbent they have an advantage Coleman didn’t have.

  • Joe Beese
    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Not sure how being skeptical of their stories is calling them liars.

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        this one is a sweeping enough statement, I’m on board with you. He recalls some of these encounters differently, but, at least in the excerpt, DID NOT call them liars.

      • Joe Beese

        It depends on whether we read “women” as “these women” or “all women”.

        “Some of the allegations against me are simply not true,” Mr. Franken said.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/us/politics/al-franken-senate-sexual-harassment.html

        • MynameisBlarney

          So it’s ok to call him a liar?

          I’m confused.

          • Joe Beese

            I believe the women. I don’t believe Franken when he says their allegations are untrue. (Or are being “remembered differently”, because who know what crazy things go through over-sensitive women’s minds, am I right, people?) So I call him a liar.

            Whether that’s “OK” is up to the individual, I guess.

          • MynameisBlarney

            I was giving Ms. Tweaden (sp) the benefit of the doubt, but then it was made known she was a Hannity contributor. Then a picture of her was shown doing the exact same thing she accused Franken of with Robin Williams , I believe. The next accuser claimed he sexually harassed her with math.
            And this last one is accusing him anonymously.
            And Roger Stone is fucking crowing about it.
            This stinks to high fucking heaven.

            But yeah, you go on ahead and support that Mob Rule, Joe.

          • sarafina

            I like Al. I’m not calling him a liar, and I’m not feeling that charitable towards his (some anonymous) accusers.

        • jesterpunk

          Which is why the investigation should have happened. We have actual proof the republicans will make up lies to try and trick liberals so they can claim accusations into republicans are faked. Look at the project veritas story with the Washington post. They got caught but now they are claiming they only got caught because the Washington Post made up the other stories and the voters on the right are buying that bullshit.

        • Dept. of Space Tacos

          which i think is pretty clear is SOME of “these woman.”
          This AINT “bitchez be lyin.”

    • Oblios_Cap

      And I should value her opinion highly because…? Who is she?

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        Russian bot

  • WIDTAP

    There is one, and only one question now. Will women step up to lift up the Democratic Party and get qualified Democrats elected. They did so in Virginia. It’s iffy in Alabama.

    The door is open, ladies. Are you going to walk through it or just sit there crossing your arms?

    • sarafina

      Once again, you guys want Mom to clean up your mess.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        Yeah, I think mom’s the only one that can handle this one. Dad and the bros keep stepping on their dicks.

      • WIDTAP

        Perhaps, but you live here too.

      • Meccalopolis

        I’m ok with the matriarchy

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Roger Stone gets what he wants. The removal of an effective Dem Senator who exposed Jayuff Sayshuns for being a perjuring beeotch.

    A silver lining: Al’s resignation may have unintended (by Roger Stone) consequences that will bite the GOP on its ass.

    • Lascauxcaveman

      God, I hope so. Not counting on it, though.

  • altleftjohn

    Harrumph! Just like those sneaky Dems to live up to their principles.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    MN gov needs to appoint a Native American woman to that seat.

    • Lascauxcaveman

      Realistically? They need to appoint someone who will win against whatever Minnesota-nice white male that the R’s come up with to challenge in the next general cycle. Considering the demographics for the state, you better be very careful on that point. If we can’t keep this seat D over the long haul, Al’s seppuku is for nothing,

      • House0fTheBlueLights

        If they put some nice white D male in that seat, then Al’s seppuku is also for nothing. I’m not taking this pain just to see more bullshit.

  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    “You have to believe in magic to think this is going to end well for Republicans.”

    unfortunately I believe in Republicans and their voting base – neither cares about sexual harassment/assault, the truth, or shame.

    • TJ Barke

      You are correct, sir! And they’ll bash us over the head with this in perpetuity, despite their party being infested with even worse scum, that just don’t admit it.

    • JohnBull

      Their voting base isn’t being removed from the voter rolls. Somehow that only happens to democrats.

    • diane surette

      Science

  • Oblios_Cap

    Just as I was about to post, I see there’s been another senseless school shooting. Thanks, NRA!

    https://twitter.com/AngrierWHStaff/status/938771847080013824

    • kilgoretrout

      So much psychotic anger in that sig.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Get him a bucket of KFC STAT!

    • toughsister

      Maybe a stroke? One can only hope…

  • UnsaltedSinner
    • King Beauregard

      We hold Republicans accountable by voting them out of office. That means showing up in every goddamn election.

      • Relativicus

        Then obviously, since they control congress, the White House, and two thirds of our state legislatures and governorships, Republicans have done nothing by which they should be held to account.

        • King Beauregard

          No, people haven’t been holding them to account.

          Hooray democracy! We all have a say how things are run!

          … wait, that means we have responsibilities to our system? NO FAIR!

    • Shan

      This. Everyone seems to be focusing on politics and men’s “ruined careers” but what about all the victims of harassment who never HAD a career or had theirs derailed, especially if they tried to fight back?

      • Daniel

        They’re women, right? They’re probably happier this way. Let’s just get back to handwringing about the men. They’re the last group it’s OK to persecute.

  • onedollarjuana

    Clarence Thomas must resign.

    • Notreelyhelping

      Shh! Trump would just replace him with a younger conservative.

      • C4TWOMAN

        Sadly you have a point.

      • goonemeritus

        I believe this is what will ultimately happen in Alabama Moore will win the seat, the Senate will throw him out and Kay Ivey will appoint the parties choice.

        • Notreelyhelping

          It seems likely. Otherwise he’s a millstone around the GOP’s neck.

    • Ryan Denniston

      Republicans have no shame, silly!

    • C4TWOMAN

      I’ve never liked that man.

  • ArgieBargie

    Democrats are adorable; they think they will win big in the 2018 elections by taking the high moral ground.

    How about an actual fucking strategy, DNC? This shit already failed in 2016.

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      Would then the alternative be to not take the high ground and let politics be politics as usual?

      • ArgieBargie

        The problem is when taking the high moral ground is the only strategy.

        • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

          It worked for Carter v Ford.

          • ArgieBargie

            That was 40+ years ago. We live in a much different country with a much weaker moral fabric.

          • Arolpin

            And Carter won a portion of the Evangelical vote, which will not happen to any Democrat now. (Because he actually followed the law and the Constitution and the Bible and practiced what he preached, all of which are anathema to the current batch of god-botherers.)

          • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

            And Watergate was much more of an influence.

          • FlownΩver

            Today’s Republican “moral fabric” is a available on a perforated roll from Kimberly-Clark.

      • sarafina

        Get in the mud and start throwing.

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      What do you suggest?

      • MynameisBlarney

        Growing a fucking spine and not rolling over in submission when the ignorant redneck GOP starts talkin loud?

      • ArgieBargie

        Look, I’m no political strategist, but For starters? A massive, unprecedented voter registration/voter ID effort. We can’t fight gerrymandering when Republicans control the majority of state houses everywhere.

        Secondly: focus on your policy goals, on how they will help everyone (including the very same morons who voted for Trump, because some of them might actually listen this time).

        Thirdly: instead of merely pointing out how morally awful Trump and the GOP are, focus on how their policies are hurting everyone who isn’t a billionaire.

        Last but not least, understand that change can only occur when you win elections. Focusing on social justice for women and minorities is a must, but very sadly, it doesn’t always help you win elections. While it still needs to be a campaign issue, you can’t make this your main campaign strategy. At the end of the day, most voters care about their paycheck more than some wedding cake incident.

    • toughsister

      Sadly, you may be right.

  • mrFawkes

    It wasn’t that long ago when eight veterans came forward with lies and fabrications to help derail John Kerry’s bid for the oval office. Deja fucking vu all over again.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      We call people like these “buddy fuckers”.

    • C4TWOMAN

      Slightly different in that the allegations were thoroughly debunked but they damaged Kerry anyway.
      .02

  • Christian O’Bummer

    Matthew 7:3-5
    “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

    • kilgoretrout

      Can you brain your bro with the plank?

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Or build a bridge out of it?

    • toughsister

      Quoting the bible is like thrusting a sword in water. Same effect.

      • Christian O’Bummer

        I know. Just the GOP hypocrisy in this matter really grinds my gears and made me think of this one.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    THE SECOND COMING

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
    The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
    Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

    The darkness drops again but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

    • altleftjohn

      What orange beast slouches towards Washington. . .

    • sarafina

      Great poem, thanks.

    • aureolaborealis
    • ahughes798

      One of my all time favorites. Thanks!

    • Ill-Advised

      Yes! Thank you.

  • Anne Of Green Bagels

    “You have to believe in magic to think this is going to end well for Republicans.”

    belief in magic is one of the core problems of and with the GOP.

    • ((( Augustus )))

      feature not bug

  • MynameisBlarney

    Aaaaand thats about as long as my actual non-commenting can last.

    *looks at wrist sans watch*

    That was what? 3 minutes?

    Anyway..

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029942602

  • LiberalANDProud

    “You have to believe in magic to think this is going to end well for Republicans.”

    You would have to completely ignore the last 10 years to think that there isn’t some way for the Democrats to fuck this up.

    • Arolpin

      Basically the Corporate Wing of the Republican Party is aware that there is a huge sea-change coming, and they want to get out in front of it. They know that they are going to get slaughtered in ’18, and they want to be able to blame it on the rapey-god-botherers, not the trickle-down granny-starvers. If they don’t start screaming how this is going to hurt Republicans, the Drumpf base might turn on THEM.

    • sarafina

      Just look at the last 20 years. It WILL end well for the Rs.

      • ((( Augustus )))

        I’m not sold on “what happened in the past guarantees what will happen in the future”

        if that were true, I’d have killed myself years ago

  • Lance Thrustwell

    This may be a fruitless request, but could we not fight about Franken anymore, please? Regardless of whether you think this is a self-destructive or self-preserving action for the Democrats, regardless of whether you think he’s not guilty, part guilty, or hella guilty, it’s over. He’s leaving, and it sucks, but we’ve gotta stick together, Wonkrels.

    My attempt to herd cats, I guess. Anyway, carry on.

    • Villago Delenda Est

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    • C4TWOMAN

      *purr*

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      sadly, that’s not gonna happen – at least today (or this thread).

      • Jackie Jackstein FTW

        Sad but true, TX.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Well, I’ve got to go get ready for work. But thanks. And I’m pretty damn sad about this.

    • guppy06
      • SisterArtemis

        Where do the extra cats come from? THE LASER POINTER! THE CATS ARE COMING FROM INSIDE THE BOX!!!!

        • guppy06

          Schrödinger didn’t know the half of it.

          • SDGeoff3

            He wouldn’t have admitted it.

          • guppy06

            As there was nobody there to hear him say it at the time, he both admitted it and didn’t admit it.

      • SDGeoff3

        My cat lasts about two minutes with one of those and that’s it.

    • canes_pugnaces

      The reality is that until (if) a universal review process is accepted, most of these he-said she-said accusations will have a lot of shade. Add to that it’s only a one-sided game–the GOP simple doesn’t care who rapes whom. But yeah, time to cool the fuck down.

      • ahughes798

        I can’t cool down because justice was not served here. There was no ethics investigation. A great Senator resigned because of unsubstansiated rumors, and until the election to replace Franken we’ll get a machine apparatchik, then in 2018, a Republican will win. So good work, Dems! Enjoy your hollow, less than worthless moral victory.

        • “…then in 2018, a Republican will win”

          Show your reasoning for this part.

          • ahughes798

            Who held Franken’s seat before he did? Norm Coleman, a Republican. Franken won that election by 300+ votes.

          • And before him? Paul Wellstone, the martyr of Senate liberalism. Perhaps you underestimate the quantity of “Trump Remorse” there may be in Minnesota – as long as Dems find a good candidate.

          • ahughes798

            Are there any?

          • Tell you what – if you guys are right and these allegations are bullshit (even the ones Al has admitted to) – Al can run again in the special election.

          • valgalky23

            He won’t, he can help more now that he can speak out. I’m totally pissed about him being forced to resign by Dems and frankly, if MN ends up with Senator Michele Bachman I will laugh my ass off and consider it well deserved.

          • Christopher Smith

            And even Franken’s approval rating has plummeted (I hasten to add, before this hit job) as MN turns more and more blood-red, thanks to the gerrymandering that gave us Bachmann among others. Sorry–you’re completely wrong about trends in MN.

          • … how about you explain how gerrymandering is supposed to effect state-wide races?

          • Christopher Smith

            ….how about you provide one shred of evidence that MN is becoming more progressive and/or is capable of the slightest remorse? And how about you sticking to what I actually said–that Bachmann and the red trend were the result of gerrymandering. I said nothing about gerrymandering affecting the Senate race, and the word, by the way, is affect, not effect.

        • AnneBonny

          What unsubstantiated rumors? I only saw credible allegations.

          • Christopher Smith

            What credible allegations? From Rethug partisan women with everything to gain from spineless anonymous pile-ons?

          • Tiny kaiju

            Really? Where?

    • SisterArtemis

      I hear you – don’t know if cooler heads will prevail, but I hear you.

      I don’t want to fight about it, but I do want to keep having a nuanced, serious discussion about it. It’s NOT over, because this is just one moment in a much larger cultural shift (or at least, I hope it’s a shift.) We have to keep talking it through. But less fighting, yes, that would be excellent.

      I for one hope Franken keeps talking – he’d be a good one, I think, to keep the discussion going about how his own perceptions and his own behavior are changing, and how other men can do that too. I’d like to see him model the internal shift that goes along with the cultural one which seems to be happening. And yes, I’m skeptical about that shift – seems like it’s 2 steps forward and one step back, over and over again. But keeping the conversation going is a major part of it, and infighting only distracts from that process.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        He has to take full ownership…he’s come closer than most, but he still hasn’t done it. And that will be difficult, since there do seem to be real charges, exaggerated ones and probably some damned lies together in the mix.

        • AnneBonny

          Today he actually backed away from ownership! His speech was like, “I said we should generally listen to women which gave people the impression I was confessing which I was NOT because I did NOT do these things and I totes thought an ethics investigation would work out in my favor.”

          • BreakingDeadMen

            Yes, that was very disappointing. I was hoping for a mea culpa (mea cop-a?), but he couldn’t get to that.

          • Christopher Smith

            Absolute garbage. He gave an astoundingly gracious and magnanimous speech, particularly considering the lunatic circular firing squad which he faced. Want to keep fighting over this, purity-pony troll? You’re responding to a post which made a plea to stop the fighting. Nice bomb-throwing, little witch hunter!

          • AnneBonny

            Whoa, fine, continue to lie to yourself about what he said. Men are so touchy!

            For everyone else:

            https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/7/16746786/al-franken-resignation-speech-sexual-harassment

          • Christopher Smith

            Whoa, fine, continue to lie and distort what he said and twist it all into your own agenda. Women are so hysterical!
            The screed you posted, of course, ignores the fact that Franken denies several of the allegations, as well as the fact that he has had no hearing and no investigation afforded him.

          • AnneBonny

            Bro why are you so mad? How am I ignoring that he denied the allegations, but you got mad at me in the first place because I said he denied the allegations?

          • Christopher Smith

            Sis, why are you bent on hysterical doublespeak? Why are you buying into yet another tired Rethug smear job? Never heard of Swiftboat? Never heard of the Clintons? Are you really as sexist and gender-fascist as your comments?

          • AnneBonny

            This is obviously very emotional for you, and I admire your passion.

          • Christopher Smith

            I’m so glad you have zero emotional investment in anything but partisan, anonymous, highly implausible allegations against progressive and intelligent men. Delighted that you find nothing to worry about in dRUMPf’s stacking of courts with incompetent fascists, his theft of the Presidential election, his tax cut bill, and the Rethugs who find him the world’s most useful idiot for their implementation of fascism. I’ve wasted far too much time on you and regret thinking you were worth engaging in any way. Bye.

          • AnneBonny

            (This is apparently how Christopher Smith has a “nuanced, serious discussion.”)

          • Christopher Smith

            (This is apparently how AnneBonny accedes to requests for cessation of hostilities, and how she doubles down on her sanctimony.)

          • AnneBonny

            Dude you got mad about a totally non-hostile comment, in which I was agreeing with the person I was replying to. Why are you losing it over that particular comment?

          • Christopher Smith

            Your definition of ‘totally non-hostile’ is absolutely riotous–it’s right down there with your logical threshold for plausible accusations.

          • Christopher Smith

            DudETTE (of course you begin with a sexist appellation, don’t you?) people like you are the reason we face the abattoir of dRUMPfworld, a soon-to-be permanently fascist SCOTUS, a Rethug party which will continue this sort of dirty tricks ad infinitum to take out every intelligent, effective crusader the Democratic Party ever produces–because you do the final dirty work before the Rethugs and their anonymous accusers even have to try to fabricate proof and face actual investigation.

          • AnneBonny

            For those keeping score:

            Calling someone “dude” = sexism
            Going ballistic defending a probably-creepy Senator who’s being replaced by another Dem = sensible liberal discourse

          • Christopher Smith

            For those who wish to speak exclusively in cliches, and–revealingly–cliches about games, winning, and losing, at that:

            Calling out someone on sexist discourse= unacceptable
            Being hysterical in pursuing a witch hunt against a Senator with flaws, like all other humans, and refusing even to consider the deeply suspicious allegations against him with a grain of salt….and deliberately ignoring the consequences of such behavior for the future of an already imperilled Republic= marvelous feminism.

          • Christopher Smith

            That’s because he does not OWN these purported ‘crimes’ –concerning which more than half the accusers are anonymous and the accusations themselves full of holes!

          • AnneBonny

            Dude you can disagree with me but why are you pretending I’m some hysterical troll?

          • Christopher Smith

            I’m sorry. That is the impression all of your posts have given me.

          • AnneBonny

            So you responded to that particular comment by mistake?

          • Christopher Smith

            I responded to none of your comments by mistake.

    • Jackie Jackstein FTW

      Agreed. ‘i think we’ve all made up our minds about this by now. We should get back to being friends, despite our differences of opinion on this matter

    • Moar Wordz

      No, I’m not o.k with that, as there’s a fine line btw mudslinging and useful dialogue,
      ( or if that phrase was nauseatingly p.c ) online discussion.

    • Ill-Advised

      Mrrrrrrr.

    • AmazingProfessionalCrastinator

      We (lefties/progressives/Dems) will just go back to fighting over Hillary & Bernie or something else. Wish we would unify like the Right does.

    • Christopher Smith

      Do you see the responses (within minutes) to your plea? Does that answer your first question?

    • Margling53

      Nope. Sorry. Not on your life. I am a woman who has seen more than 80 years of historical idiocy and I will not back down. The Democratic women Senators have made the most stupid, ill considered decision in political history. In their misguided effort to “prove” that Democrats are more noble and good and ethical than anyone in the world, they have proved only that Democrats are more stupid and incompetent than any other party ever created on this earth.

      Too bad these brilliant tacticians couldn’t time travel so they could go back in history and “take down” JFK, FDR, Jefferson, LBJ, Bill Clinton, every good Democratic President in history, and then destroy MLK, Ghandi, Picasso and thousands more leaders and artists and writers and philosophers until this world is CLEAN—clean and totally bereft of male heroes and intellectuals of any kind. But our pure, fragile, helpless women will be safe. Mostly because no man in his right mind will go near one.

      Even if Senator Franken did everything he is alleged to have done (https://cnbc.com/2017/12/07/al-franken-news-list-of-sexual-misconduct-allegations.html), and I would bet my life that he didn’t, given the dubious credentials of his accusers, these allegations about minor incidents many years ago don’t amount to the proverbial hill of beans in comparison to those of Weinstein, C.K., et al. The only thing his resignation did was to deprive us of another good Democrat in the Senate and make it far more difficult to bring down the real criminal in the White House, who is guilty of a lot worse crimes than a litte dirty talk.

  • JackLinks

    Hey trolls answer the following question:
    When is this republican pervert going to resign, inquiring minds want to know?
    Republican Congressman Apologizes After A Picture Of His Junk Surfaces Online

    https://www.chicksonright.com/2017/11/22/republican-congressman-apologizes-picture-junk-surfaces-online/

    • SDGeoff3

      By the looks of his physique, that photo of his junk is the first he’s seen of it in a long time.

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      It doesn’t matter what the trolls do or say. What matters is what American voters actually do in the voting booth. However their minds may be corrupted, the election results are a fact. Congress could impeach but that’s not happening yet.

      Reality is just perception and perception is just an empty box in the corner.

    • Notreelyhelping

      He’s announced that neither he nor his dick will run for re-election.

      • mary5920

        Yay!

    • mary5920

      I remember a tame routine that Jerry Seinfeld did about men trying to attract women by wolf whistles at construction sites. This brings up the same question: Is this the best idea that these men have for attracting women?

      • ((( Augustus )))

        yes

  • proudgrampa

    I am just sad.

  • Bananas Foster

    It just occurred to me that it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that Franken might change his mind. Or, rather, not change his mind, but utilize the time he built into his resignation to see if the winds change. I think that’s why he’s not resigning immediately.

    • sarafina

      “Weeks” is kind of close to immediately.

      • guppy06

        It’s about how long it took national Republicans to get back to throwing cash at Moore.

    • CircusMcGurkus

      He is taking one for the team. My guess is there is some kabuki theater going on here – some accusations against others coming up and lots of discussions on who will be appointed. Keep in mind that Mark Sanford resigned his gubernatorial position in disgrace, facing impeachment, having put his state at risk by leaving without notifying anyone where exactly he was on the Argentinian Appalachian Trail. A few short years later, divorced and no longer involved with the love of his life, reclaimed his former seat in Congress where he sits today happily voting to end medical care coverage for millions of Americans and increase taxes on the poor and middle class. i do not think Franken will change his mind. I think he may decide to run again when people realize how petty some of these claims are and how the GOP knew them years ago and did not use them because they had no legs then – peole thought it was weird, a little creepy but not something to lose a Senate seat over because – let’s faceit – he was a comedian, most of the actual claims against him sound in-the-moment-childish-but-not criminal. No one was ever scared of Franken, no one lost a job because of Franken and the whole thing is so stupid that he is a freaking hero to do what he is doing right now. The people should decide. I felt that way about Barney Frank in MA (re-elected after the page boy scandal), I feel that way about Roy Moore if the people of AL want to elect him (best line about this was from a supporter denying the claims but reasoning: Franken runs against Cruz. Allegations come out against Franken. Let’s say one is of an underage girl. You vote for Cruz?) Some of us believe in democracy. As James Madison explained, “What is government itself but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.” We’re not angels. None of us.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    I ordered sweet and sour, not bittersweet!

    • Ill-Advised

      You didn’t get a grain of salt on the rim, either. Send it back!

  • A Groucho Marxist

    I know that Franken resigning was the right thing for him to do in and of itself.

    But, when Roy Moore wins the Senate seat because Republicans don’t care about doing the right thing, I say we riot.

    • mary5920

      I shot an elephant in my pajamas; how he got in my pajamas I’ll never know.

      • JohnBull

        Happened to me once. I have no idea how it got there or why three bottles of peach schnapps were empty the next morning.

      • A Groucho Marxist

        Perhaps my phrasing was confusing because of my use of the past tense. We’re way past tents now, we’re living in bungalows.

      • Msgr_MΩment

        Those ducky pajamas? I say burn them.

    • Anarchy Unicorn

      I can get behind a good riot!

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      Since Dok made me trade in my guilotine parts for boring pitchforks and crappy torches, I have some riot supply.

    • sarafina

      I’ll bring my own torch and pitchfork.

    • guppy06

      Isn’t your handle an oxymoron?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lad5bc6Gpb4

      • A Groucho Marxist

        Sorry, but those are my principles. And if you don’t like them…well, I have others.

        • guppy06

          My principals tend to be vices.

        • arglebargle

          Old principals never die, they just lose their faculties.

    • Jmom

      What good is taking the moral high ground if no one cares? I feel like that’s where we are right now.

  • King Beauregard

    People worry what this will mean for the 2018 and 2020 elections. But I say, if people on the Left will just commit to voting, 2018 and 2020 will take care of themselves, Franken or no Franken.

    Hell, the Democrats wouldn’t even need to raise money if the Left would commit to voting in every goddamn election.

    • Jackie Jackstein FTW

      As it is with every election, higher voter turnout always works to Democrat’s favor.

      • guppy06

        Democrat voters are more likely to be high.

        • Jackie Jackstein FTW

          hehe! That’s certainly true of this Democrat voter.

        • ahughes798

          It’s “Democratic.”

  • Lascauxcaveman

    “Do you believe in magic?”

    Not really, but that’s what it’s going to take, apparently.

    That and a 24/7 drumbeat of “Republicans are the party of childmolesters and sexual harasses” during the 2018 campaign season.

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    I like Al Franken. Sorry to see this, but damn — 7 women with the same story — is difficult to ignore.

  • Joe Beese
    • Victoria Ricola

      Yep. This.

    • ahughes798

      Well, when they find that completely perfect person the purity ponies will be happy with, he should let us know. The seat will go to a Republican. Congratulations, Dems!

  • mary5920

    It was easy for me to believe (and I still do believe) that this USO lady and her state fair friend went after Franken as a right wing hit job.
    When the other ladies came forth, it got harder.
    Now I don’t think this merits his resignation but that’s politics and it’s never been pretty. The right wing got their poison pill inserted and it isn’t likely that Franken would have been effective or gotten re elected, as bitter as that is.

    • renegade500

      I still think this started out as a hit job, and it’s shown Republicans they can go after anyone who ever even hinted at having a dream when they were 3 years old that they might want to run for President.

      • mary5920

        They started on Elizabeth Warren several years ago, and it will continue. I don’t think that their attacks have been effective except with their own base so far, but they keep at it.

  • Joe Beese
  • JohnBull

    Anyone know when Chuck Both Sides Do It Todd will be asking for Trump or Farenhold to resign?

  • Relativicus
    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      So, you’re not a republican, yes?

  • canes_pugnaces

    It’s time to start formalizing this process. It could go very wrong, especially when only one side is allowing accusations end careers.

  • Joe Beese

    Meanwhile:

    Former Congressman Harold Ford Jr. Fired For Misconduct By Morgan Stanley

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/harold-ford-fired-morgan-stanley_us_5a29743ee4b0b185e53a0ce6?psa

  • CindyinEncinitas

    I wish you all the best, Senator, and I hope that at least you will find your return to the private sector to be liberating, in the sense of your now being able to freely speak your mind and help the Resistance rid the country of the evil that is upon us.

    • ahughes798

      He would have had much more impact in the senate. We have lost, big time. Now he’ll be considered just another comedian shooting off his mouth.

  • george lastrapes

    We liberals have such respect for the past that we have revived a long-gone art-form, the Auto-da-Fe.

  • sarafina

    FUCK-FUCK-FUCK!!! This is why the Rs always win. Since the Dems don’t have control of the media, we will continue to lose going forward. I grew up in a rural area, the people there don’t have the variety of individuals or media to see anything different than the simplest answers. Franken should have fought. Gillibrand has severely damaged her brand with me. Also, my slightly younger sister thinks Bernie will run and win in 2020. I’m starting day drinking in 20 minutes.

    • SDGeoff3

      Where are you that it is 11:40 pm?

      • aureolaborealis

        Where are you that it needs to be noon? Saudi Arabia?

      • Juan de Fuca

        Mountain Time.

      • sarafina

        DFW – I find the internet has an interesting sense of time.

    • Juan de Fuca

      If Gillibrand has seriously damaged her brand with you over this, wouldn’t that be another reason why “the R’s always win”? We’re going to declare Gillibrand as persona non grata, now?

      No. I mean, you do you but it’s not happening with me.

    • ltmcdies

      Gillibrand is the only Democratic senator who voted against Trump’s many awful appointees. I think she only voted for 5.

  • Shelli Kae

    Regardless how one feels about Franken resigning, in today’s political climate I think he can do a lot more harm to Trump & his merry bad of misfit zombie thieves out of the Senate. Now, with an insider’s perspective, he can fight Trump with the gloves off. And that is exactly what we need, high-ranking, known democrats telling the absolute truth of what we are up against without sugar-coatings like saying misinformation or misstated or untruth instead of a damn lie.
    And once again we do the right thing while wingnuts continue to poke and prod us by not just accepting Frankin did the right thing. Since these fuckers don’t know what the right thing is they do the wrong thing and say shit like, “about time” or “right, he denied he did it then resigned so doesn’t count” or some other shit thing to say because these fucking people are obtuse as fuck and they can’t see what god damn hypocrites they are. So, I’m glad I’m on the side who holds their people accountable. Which in a real world would be applauded by your opponent but not in the US of Jesus, hell no. Here these people see us contrite and doing the right thing and those raccoon dicks walk up to us and instead of saying thanks for doing the right thing they spit in our faces and
    *tell us to go back to our own country (insert appropriate racial slur) or
    *get a job loser or
    *how do you like Trump and all his winning now, you loser or
    *stop whining and find a safe place snowflake or
    *Hillary, Obama, Comey
    I’m sure I missed a few of their favorite comebacks that they think qualify as a comeback.
    I turned 50 today and I’ve decided if I’m now officially old enough to shit my pants in public and people say, Oh dear, someone help this dear old lady instead of Holy shit, some crazy bitch shit herself! I’m old enough to start telling these brainless zombies jizzballs exactly what I think.

    • CindyinEncinitas

      I loved turning 50. Life definitely looks different then. Happy birthday!

      • Shelli Kae

        Thanks! I’m looking forward to it. Is there a particular age where men stop expecting us to go through the daily regime of painting ourselves and spraying shit tons of product on our hair and not get the evil eye from them for looking “inept, tired, sick”? I’m really hoping it’s 50 cause I’m tired of all this pruning and prodding to fit in to the man’s world?

    • JohnBull

      You shouldn’t be talking to these people at all. Life’s too short.

      • Shelli Kae

        That’s the best advice I’ve received in quite a while! After being on Twitter, Wonkette is a retreat from the vitriol anger they have towards me! I can be quite the bitch if need be but those people act like I ran over there dog then backed up and ran over there mom. Trump’s hoard of zombies can’t grasp the concept of not taking things personally. It’s quite a fun way to torture oneself!

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          Your idea of “fun” sounds quite novel.

        • Daniel

          Was their mom walking the dog or had she just come out to see what the noise was?

    • jodyleek

      Hey, Sister Sagittarius! I turn 50 on Saturday. Happy Birthday!!!

      • Shelli Kae

        Happy Birthday! Hubby is taking me to Colorado for my birthday. I’m one of those lucky people living with chronic pain (and we live in Oklahoma) so going to Colorado is the best present he could give me. Can’t wait to get to a disp…I meant I can’t wait to see Pikes Peak!
        Enjoy your Birthday!

    • LeftyProud

      OT, I just turned 50 last week. But I have been telling brainless zombies jizzballs exactly what I think from day one. So, I’m just a crazy bitch all around.

  • Dept. of Space Tacos
    • SDGeoff3

      That’s ok. Tic tic tic tic…

    • Oblios_Cap

      STFU, Donnie.

    • Riley Whodat Venable

      I hope he keeps that witty personality in jail.

    • Bananas Foster

      The fact that he doesn’t realize that it’s not a good idea for him to gloat on this topic makes me wonder how he manages to pee without drowning.

      • Arolpin

        Very small penis, even lying on his back the pee only reached his belly button. It’s an evolutionary advantage for morans.

    • Juan de Fuca

      Your college roommate’s claim that you literally shit in your pants and that your father smacked you in the face, in front of them.
      http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/813/372/c30.gif

      • Shelli Kae

        Damn, I wish I would have seen this before I tweeted Jr. I forgot he shit his pants. From what I read he also pissed the bed almost nightly, sometimes in other people’s beds. That just strengthens my argumenf Jr is an alleged serial killer. The bed pissing thing reminds me of signs of a serial killer. Is Jr an alleged serial killer. Hmmmm. Shall we investigate?
        Here we go;
        1.) Signs of a social disorder. Check
        2.) Arson. Not sure but I think he’s the guy that set all those fires in Phoenix a few years back. So check
        3.) Torturing animals. Fucking duh, check.
        4.) Poor family life. Had an absent dad, check.
        5.) Childhood abuse. Once again, check.
        6.) Substance abuse. His dad sniffs a lot and I hear Jr does too so check.
        7.) Voyeurism. Peeping tom? Of course he was the perv, check.
        8.) Intelligence. He can’t have them all!
        And finally…
        9.) Shiftlessness. We all know he only has a job because his dad owns the company, so check.
        Normally I would say I’m just kidding. With the Trumps? It would not surprise me at all if they keep frozen body parts to use when they hunt big game. Allegedly of course!

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Eat my farts, Yunior.

    • Daniel

      It’s important to remember he’s quoting there and not saying this himself.

    • Persistent Demme

      OMG, he’s an ass!
      (Can’t wait till he’s trying to tweet from the pokey!)

  • Gorillionaire

    Franken’s colleagues abandoned due process for political expediency. He took the hit about as gracefully as anyone could.

  • Michael Smith

    “You have to believe in magic to think this is going to end well for Republicans.”

    Thanks, Wall Street Journal, for showing again that the conservative “elites” don’t understand their own party. For the once self-respecting conservative establishment, is it almost wishful thinking at this point to believe that embracing a child molester while attacking the other party for sexual misdeeds might hurt Republicans’ electoral chances?

    • Shelli Kae

      Wow. That’s the shit and it’s true. You have to be a pretty awful person to demand someone not do what you are doing except what your doing is actually worse because a child is involved and still be able to look at yourself in the mirror without punching it. Republicans are pretty much pros at it, though.

  • Riley Whodat Venable

    I’m sorry he is leaving for this reason. It’s like that “friend” who stole your car. He was a nice enough guy superficially, but no longer a friend.

  • Juan de Fuca

    It’s sad but I agree with what Lizz Winstead said.

    Now, how about we move onto the sexual assaulter in chief?

  • SDGeoff3

    Looks like disqus is having tantrums again.

    • SisterArtemis

      Could Disqus be a liberal? Is that why it keeps having tantrums when horrible shit is going on?

      • SDGeoff3

        It wouldn’t shock me much.

  • Anne Of Green Bagels

    this tragedy only becomes a disaster when the Dems don’t hang this around the GOP’s necks from now to eternity. but then, who am I kidding?

  • Cogswell – Overlord of Barsoom

    On the upside, Al is sticking around long enough for the Alabama election and if the child molester gets elected, he can call for his immediate expulsion.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    We have lost one of the most articulate, witty, and smart voices in the Senate. This stings. Because Dems believe in intelligence, articulation, wit, and empathy.

    But, as Mike Tomlin would say, “Next man person up.”

    • JohnBull

      We do, but none of that stuff gets you elected anymore. When was the last time you saw a Republican campaign ad that included any of those words?

  • insolenttomato

    I’ve had mixed feelings about the Franken fiasco from the beginning which have been articulated by the wonderful non-commentariat. It’s done now. Hopefully Democrats will actually take advantage of the very different public treatment of Franken vs. Moore/Farenhold/Trump and hammer it like a hyperactive carpenter. Excuse me if I don’t hold my breath for that, though.

  • Ron Spangler

    “The Democrats are eliminating their
    stains, while the Republicans are endorsing theirs. You have to believe
    in magic to think this is going to end well for Republicans.”

    Sixty-three million Americans voted to make an admitted sexual predator the leader of the free world. What makes anyone think things will go differently in the future?

    • Ron Spangler

      Seriously, what am I missing here?

      • OutOfOrbit

        the echo chamber, stay inside dammit

      • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

        I’m not sure but it may end well for Republicans. And it’s not just party members as there are a lot of unaffiliated voters out there who think the GOP is too soft or the Democrats are too weak and a lot of anger at everything. Because of the 2010 Census and redistricting, the GOP has the edge. What Dems can do is just get out the vote at this point and message hard and for the jugular.

        • Rebel Scum with permit

          If Virginia is any kind of indicator outside the reddist Of red strongholds, Democrats will do much better than they expected. The energy is on our side.

          • AmazingProfessionalCrastinator

            As long as Dems actually have candidates running. There have been far too many Reps running unopposed for too long.

    • Joe Beese

      Josh Marshall emphasizes the point that the reason Trump and Moore aren’t paying the same price as Franken is that their supporters don’t care.

      • atheist

        I always believed Republicans were shitty people and here’s your proof

        • Persistent Demme

          Demme’s Deal Breakers:
          1. Being a Republican
          2. Not liking any kind of animal
          OK, I’ll let the people that hate coffee go. (I don’t understand ’em, but…)

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        The fact that these vermin don’t care cannot be emphasized enough!

        • Relativicus

          Emphasize all you want, they don’t care.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            I have long given up on emphasizing anything in the hopes that righttoad vermin give a flying fuck about anything that I say.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      ixnay on the leader of the freeworld stuff. He got selected as President of the US but the world has said no way. The US is now just the bloated, stupid bully of world affairs.

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-foreign/germany-must-stop-relying-on-u-s-for-foreign-policy-foreign-minister-idUSKBN1DY2U1?il=0

    • MynameisBlarney

      Talk about believing in magic.

    • Relativicus

      Nothing makes me think that.

    • OneYieldRegular

      As James Baldwin said, one can always fall further.

    • johnnyknj

      So, the Democratic political calculus evidently is this: Purge from our ranks those who are impure, so that we may point to our moral superiority to the Republicans and be awarded with votes by the American public. Yet, as you point out, this same public just elected a man who was caught on videotape boasting of assault. And is about to elect a Senator credibly accused of pedophilia. So, the the public is going to vote against random Republicans because their party tolerates molesters but will vote for the molesters themselves? I’m confused.

  • TootsStansbury

    I don’t believe in magic but fucking republicans sure as Hell do. Cultists believe in every lie they’re told.

    • Bobathonic

      Roy Moore searches for magic in very young girls’ panties.

  • Bananas Foster

    I wanted Franken’s resignation. I’m not happy about it, but I wanted it.

    Now I want him to go on every goddamn talk show that he’s invited on and hammer the fucking Republicans mercilessly over this.

    • Johan Meijlaers

      Tomorrow Al Franken will wake up and say to himself “I Have a Job to do….”

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      I know but as he might try, Al no longer has any credibility with the soft middle of American voters.Very few pols have ever made a successful comeback in any way that matters. Gary Hart had a brief resurgence as did Al Gore but they are now offstage. Newt, otoh, had made a more profitable return but here we’re dealing with conservatives who may not really care that much about morality as tribe.

      • Rebel Scum with permit

        He doesn’t run for office, but becomes a merciless thorn in their side. “ I resigned what about you?” Over and over and over again. “ I didn’t call my accusers liars and criminals. I didn’t threaten to sue them. I didn’t fund raise off of their accusations.”

        • WIDTAP

          Which Republicans will wear as a badge of pride. “Look. Al Franken is haranguing me. I must be doing something right-of-center.”

      • tomamitai

        Bill Maher will certainly have him on his show, which we all know is very influential among reluctant republicans just aching to be wooed to the Dem side. ◔ ⌣ ◔

      • Opalescent Riddles

        “conservatives who may not really care that much about morality as tribe.”

        You’re right. All they seem to care about is “tribe”. To diverge from the tribe requires the opposite of conserving the status quo. Thus the progressive tribe may be evolutionarily doomed to be less cohesive in the voting booth.

        And on that thought, I must refill my drink.

  • proudgrampa

    “You have to believe in magic…”

    There is white magic, and there is black magic.

  • (((Aron)))

    Son of a bitch. This is how the GOP beats us.

    • Princess Erika the Radiant

      the emphasis on winning over everything is how the right wingers have wound up so degraded that they embrace a Roy Moore or Donald Twump

      maybe had the Democrats not spent the past 20+ years defending Bill Clinton and dismissing the significance of a President of the United States lying under oath in a deposition for a sexual harassment law suit we wouldn’t have a country so degraded that a Roy Moore or Donald Twump could be elected.

      • (((Aron)))

        You and I are going to have to disagree on that one.

        • Princess Erika the Radiant

          its easy for you to dismiss concerns about sexual harassment because you are a man and i’m pretty sure you’ve never been sexually harassed.

          Having been actually sexually harassed – i’ve even been sexually assaulted by a coworker – i don’t have that luxury.

          okay, the lying under oath thing bothers me much more than a normal person because i am an attorney – and Bill Clinton *was* one too – and since Bill Clinton put so much at risk to lie about a small matter that might not have even been admissible at trial under the Federal Rules of Evidence – well, that just shows some seriously bad judgment.

          even if all you care about is winning, the Democrats can’t win without a large turnout of young women – embracing men who admit to sexually harassing young women is a terrible strategy.

          • (((Aron)))

            Erika, you can stop right there.

            You have no idea what I have experienced. You have no idea what I haven’t experienced. And I am allowed to hold my own opinions.

            I am leaving it at that.

  • ltmcdies
    • But, are we going to get one who is as vocal and effective, and one who so clearly and masterfully points out GOP hypocrisy, becoming a thorn in their sides at every turn? Make no mistake, this is a win for the GOP, they are thrilled that, even though it will be another progressive, it won’t be one with the showmanship of Franken.

      • ltmcdies

        Or possibly there are other bright progressive sharp Democrats who will step up and be noticed.

        • Non-Threatening Ron

          I’d think the ideal (and an achievable one) would be a young, feisty scrapper who looks up to Senator Franken as a role model, who is willing to take up exactly where he left off.

          • blaid droog

            Thanks. That was the most hilarious thing I’ve read today.

          • Non-Threatening Ron

            I know. I keep interpreting things in Canadian terms, where people like this are actually pretty common.

        • I sincerely hope so.

      • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

        Striving for a showman isn’t always the best way to go. Anthony Weiner and Alan Grayson were both animated showmen that loved sticking it to the GOP and look what happened to those guys.

        • blaid droog

          Instead of Grayson the dimocraps chose to back patrick murphy. A republican. Harry Reid literally told Grayson that he didn’t like him and didn’t want hom to win. Fuck the dimocraps. Next year the thugs will fulfill their goal of turning the clock back to the era of Dickens.

      • Marceline

        Yeah, when I think of the way Franken nailed Sessions on Russia…. sigh.

      • puredog

        It is particularly sad to think that Al will not get to keep sticking it to Sessions, and doubly sad to consider how gleeful this news makes JeffBo.

    • Me not sure

      The story coming out of Minnesota is that the Lt. Governor will be appointed as a place filler with a promise not to run in Nov. to fill the remainder of Frankin’s term.
      I would, for purely political reasons, like to see someone appointed to run who would run again as an incumbant.

      • tomamitai

        At least they’d have that advantage, plus seniority for committee assignments.

        • Me not sure

          Bingo! Incumbency is the single most consistent predictor for electoral success in US Congressional races.

      • sarafina

        I heard this morning that Dayton would appoint Keith Ellison. But that would leave a seat open in the House.

        • Me not sure

          Is his seat safe? I would think so. He’d make a good choice if he will run in the fall.

    • Relativicus

      The problem with that is, though anyone can be a senator (in theory), not all people will be good senators. Al Franken was a good senator. Regardless of ideology, having more senators like Al Franken would ensure a properly functioning senate.

      So yes, his replacement may be a Democrat, and the person who wins his seat in 2020 may be a democrat, but that doesn’t even mean the person will be a reliable progressive vote (Lieberman and Manchin to the white courtesy phone please), let alone a good senator.

      • ltmcdies

        does the post above sound like Minnesota needs to send a Lieberman to Washington?

        And I’m betting their are many good senators …we just don’t know their names because they don’t have a national profile

        • WIDTAP

          It will not be Garrison Keillor, that I can tell you.

        • Relativicus

          Thing is, you don’t know you’ve got yourself a Lieberman until you have one. Lieberman only really established his ignoble legacy after 9/11.

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      Also something to consider: Al won by a mere 300+ votes in 2008.

      • ltmcdies

        yeh I remember that. Tim Pawlenty was the governor with a Democratic majority……so…yeh something to consider but if Franken damaged going into his own election you’d still get a tight race.

      • Skeptical_thinker

        He beat an incumbent by 300+ votes. The incumbent usually has an advantage in an election. The appointee should be free to run again as an incumbent.

        • IdRatherBeDancing

          And people may not have taken him that seriously — he had to also overcome his SNL characters — he proved himself to not only be serious, but a damned good senator — which is why his resignation hurts

  • See, the problem with us being ideologically pure (on this, and many other issues) is that this is a reasonable approximation of the average Republican voter…

    https://twitter.com/simpsonsqotd/status/457945687154782208

    • Ling Ling

      No Republican voter reads the ballot manual.

      • Non-Threatening Ron

        They don’t need to. They have Faux News to instruct them how to vote.

  • Mavenmaven

    Trump will go on the air with his loose teeth and announce official recognition of sexual harrassment as legitimate in the capital of the United States.

  • CripesAmighty

    In a nation whose political and ethical currency has been distilled to equal parts greed and malice, the moral high ground is in the desert.

  • Cogswell – Overlord of Barsoom

    The only other words I have are… This is what integrity looks like.

  • Edith Prickly

    This sucks, no question, and there is more than a whiff of ratfucking around it. But Franken was in an impossible position. Every time the Dems bring up the multiple sex monsters in the Rethugs they’d get WHATABOUTFRANKEN in return. He did the right thing. The party isn’t going to collapse with the resignation of one person. And I may be more optimistic about this that a lot of people, but the Rethuglicans are definitely falling apart. They’re like a bridge with metal fatigue. Small cracks accumulate, the supports start failing, then finally the whole thing collapses.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      Dems clean house. Reps keep the garbage in the living room and tell you there is something wrong with you when you mention the stink.

      • Non-Threatening Ron

        Perfect description.

    • SisterArtemis

      I do think we’re going to see some defections or at least alliances with moderate Republican voters, who while they don’t particular sympathize with many Dem platform points, appreciate serious attention to ethics, and serious discussion of law. That’s just not happening in the GOP and it’s disgusting to many old-school Republican voters. We saw some defections in the 2016 election – many moderate GOP voters did vote for Clinton, if only as a nod towards sanity – and I think those cracks are growing, and will continue to do so.

      • tomamitai

        I do think we’re going to see some defections or at least alliances with
        moderate Republican voters, who while they don’t particular sympathize
        with many Dem platform points, appreciate serious attention to ethics,
        and serious discussion of law.

        How many of those do you think there are among the approximately 80,000 voters in three rust-belt states that put Trump in the White House? And what more should we be willing to give up to form these alliances, if what we’ve already given them, like Bill Clinton’s welfare reform and crime bill and Glass-Steagall repeal weren’t enough?

      • Persistent Demme

        I hope you’re right.

  • bobbert

    Dump the Hump =======================> Nixon

    Teddy thinks Jimmy isn’t liberal enuff ========> Raygun

    Al can’t associate with Bill ================> Shrub

    But her speeches, emails, etc, etc ==========> Drumpf

    Ain’t Purity Wonderful?

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      When did all y’all forget that ALL politics is compromise, in one form or another? Compromise built your country, but suddenly it’s a Bad Word.

  • Ninja0980

    Sad to say but when the Politico story came out, I knew it was the beginning of the end.
    Not that will it make a damn bit of difference since the media will still talk about Bill Clinton, especially with his “accusers” in the mix.

  • Marceline

    I’m increasingly leery of anything that gets justified by “This is going to hurt a lot but it’ll be better when it’s over.” I’m pretty sure that’s the justification I still hear from people who voted third party.

    Also we keep talking about having uncomfortable conversations. Here’s a few uncomfortable statements:

    1.) Not all women should be believed. (Women are people and some people lie.)
    2.) Just because someone stands up to harassment doesn’t mean she can’t be a garbage person. *waves to Megyn Kelly and Gretchen Carlson*
    3.) Sooner or later we need to talk about white feminism.

    • ltmcdies

      and just because somebody is a garbage person doesn’t mean their description of an incident isn’t the accurate one.

      • Marceline

        True but don’t expect me to suddenly embrace Kelly or Carlson as some kind of feminist heroes. They are racist propagandists and I’m tired of people acting like the fact they were harassed washes all that away.

        • Edith Prickly

          I haven’t seen anyone arguing that they are feminist heroes. They have the same right to a harassment-free workplace as anyone else, but they’re still right-wing propagandists who only care about women’s rights when it affects them. I’m not putting Megyn fucking Kelly on any pedestal.

          • Non-Threatening Ron

            ‘I haven’t seen anyone arguing that they are feminist heroes.’
            KAC was sure as hell implying that she should be one. You know, for all the harassment. That she said happened.

          • Edith Prickly

            When she stops using those stories to defend an admitted pussy-grabber, I might (emphasis on MIGHT) take her seriously.

        • SisterArtemis

          One of the most difficult things to do – and both these women and Al Franken are examples – is to separate the shitty stuff from the worthy. We’re not very good at it as a society, and most of us as individuals struggle too. I can get there with some people and not others.

          With Franken, I can simultaneously condemn his stupid behavior and appreciate his value as a politician, comedian, and a mostly-decent human being. With Carlson, Kelly, Palin, et al, I have a reserved empathy and ability to condemn their harassment and assault, but their other not-so-lovely behaviors and words have worn me too far down to put much energy into it. With Moore and Trump, I haven’t found a side I can sympathize with yet, and don’t really care to search for one.

        • SisterArtemis

          I agree, but haven’t seen anyone washing it away; I have seen a lot of people (including me) struggling to balance the empathy with the disgust. You read Robyn’s article earlier, right?

    • canes_pugnaces

      These are good points. The process of vetting ‘complaints’ must be formalized, otherwise there is no way to evaluate. The Duke team is a case in point. But what did Franken in was the photo.

      • jesuswasablack

        Yes the photo, right the photo?
        https://i.imgur.com/hAeCQXm.jpg

        • canes_pugnaces

          Wow… I suppose I’m the last to see this, but wow.

        • An Outhouse for the résistance

          She’s much more believable with her smart glasses on.

        • eyelashviper

          Apparently that was her comic schtick, there were photos posted somewhere today showing her doing the same with Robin Williams.
          But she’s the victim, dontcha know?
          She at least accepted Al’s apology and moved on, and had no political ax to grind.

      • Marceline

        And there could be a lot of explanations for that but I don’t want to relitigate that photo. I saw enough talk about Photoshop and metadata to last me forever. I’m just saying that we’re going to have to move past the “throw the bums out” phase and realize that we are talking about human interactions. Human interactions are messy and the conversations I’m seeing now are way to simplistic. Every time I hear the phrase “zero tolerance” I want to puke.

        • jesuswasablack

          Please keep talking sense to these people, your making much more progress than I and your not pissing anyone off! Keep up the good work!

          • Edith Prickly

            That’s because she’s arguing like a adult instead of a puerile shit-disturber.

          • Shan

            Bingo.

          • jesuswasablack

            Are you stalking me?

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Oh, FFS!!

            *Plonk*

          • jesuswasablack

            Yes your an adult as well “puerile shit-disturber”

          • Edith Prickly

            Bratty troll said what?

          • jesuswasablack

            why yes how grown up of you!

        • Ninja0980

          I agree.
          Going from one extreme where no victims are believed to one where they are never challenged and a person is tossed out on an accusation alone is NOT the road we want to go down.

        • SisterArtemis

          Yeah, I ran across the “zero tolerance” thing in the first article about Franken that popped up this morning. It makes me cringe. So does the behavior, but seriously, if I had to cut to the curb every guy who ever said a dumb, crude thing to me, I would have no male friends or family members. There are degrees of shittyness, and while I’m all about accountability and taking responsibility, seems like some folks are having difficulty conceiving of a range of responses appropriate to a range of behaviors.

          • Shan

            You don’t shoot your puppy every time it pees on the floor. Otherwise, you’ll never end up with a housetrained dog.

          • SisterArtemis

            Plus, a bigger mess to clean up. It’s a wonderful analogy.

          • Marceline

            I DESPISE the concept of zero tolerance for anything. It almost always ends up backfiring.

    • Ellen Catalina

      The chances that some one is lying diminishes significantly when more than one person says they experienced the same behaviors from the same perpetrator.

      • tomamitai

        Well, if that’s the only criteria, then I guess we have to believe in alien abductions?

        • eyelashviper

          And Jebus, walking on water, etc…also too.

      • Marceline

        I’m not talking about Franken. I’m talking about this general “believe women” and “trust women” mantra I keep seeing. For example look at the piece about Kellyanne Conway. That woman is a pathological liar. Should I believe her if she says she was harassed?

        • Ling Ling

          KAC is a pathological liar, no argument. She probably has endured some harassment as well. Should you believe any specific KAC anecdote? Probably not, but in general there might be some truth.

        • ltmcdies

          she might have been in younger days when she just another nameless blonde working with a grabby boss.

          I actually do believe her because her attitude is that so last century….well just the way things are so put up and shut up, you whiny feminists.

          like I said, garbage person but she likely was “pestered”

        • Shan

          I believe her but I don’t really *care* for HER sake, personally. She’s not only not trying to do anything about it in terms of outing her own harasser/s, she gets paid to protect a whole bunch more of them.

    • Juan de Fuca

      Boy, you’re on the white thing today, aren’t ya? And now you’ve added “not all women should be believed unless they’re on our side” as a side dish.

      Lemme know when you women figure out who should and who shouldn’t be believed. I’ll just continue on as a white dude who gives at least a slight benefit of the doubt to a woman who claims she’s been sexually harassed. Or someone who uses basic common sense.

      • Marceline

        “And now you’ve added “not all women should be believed unless they’re on our side” as a side dish.”

        That’s not what I said. My point is that being harassed doesn’t suddenly turn a bad person into a good one. But yeah, I’m on the white thing today. Don’t worry. No one is asking you for intersectionality.

        But you’re kind of making my point. People love to say that we have to have uncomfortable conversations but only a specific *kind* of uncomfortable.

        • SisterArtemis

          Kind of think everyday should be an “on the white thing” day….

          • Marceline

            Every time I bring up that this country has a history of lynching black men on the word of white women I get that kind of reaction but I think of Terry Crews who specifically said he didn’t fight back against his attacker because he was afraid of going to jail. The whole POINT of his assault was that a white man wanted to put him in his place.

      • Shan

        Dude, what?

  • You should ice that burn

    “You have to believe in magic to think this is going to end well for Republicans.”
    Umm..I don’t know, If history is any sort of guide Republican magic* is strong.
    (*in your face corruption and disloyalty, served up with generous heaps of self described piety)

    • Cock Blockula

      The delusions of piety and always being right (because Jeebus) are too strong for them to overcome. Plus Fox and preachers and Rush yammering all day… it’s hard for them to turn the channel/station when their confirmation bias can’t stand to hear anything else.

      • Strepsi

        Seriously, yesterday was hearing that the Mueller investigation has found NOTHING, no evidence at all on Trump’s team, and he’s 100% corrupt, so now it’s a Dem witch hunt. 😭 People suck

  • canes_pugnaces

    It’s not magic one must believe in. It’s the moral fiber of Trump supporters and GOP voters. I have zero faith in either.

  • GlazedHaim

    You know, you’ll wish he was still in the Senate when the reports of state fair fondlings sky rocket.

  • Nasty Woman Persisted

    OT but We need more gunz!!1!1!!!! And this occurred a block away from my wife’s work.
    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/watch-tv-news-crew-stumbles-on-road-rage-shootout-that-left-innocent-bystander-wounded

    • Great, and now the GOPers want assholes like these two to be able to carry in my dear old New York. Fuck that!

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Once again it’s angry dudes wagging their dicks and a woman gets hurt!

  • akryan

    Well, thank fucking god we have the high ground. I’m absolutely thrilled that we’re willing to play into the false equivalency game. Do you think anyone will give a fuck that our guy was accused of being too grabby in pictures and their guy tried to fuck little girls? No. We’ll hear “both sides have issues here” over and over again, but the “well, at least Democrats are doing something about it,” part will be tepid at best.

    • Daniel

      And if this hadn’t happened you would still hear that coupled with “and neither side is doing anything about it which makes Democrats worse!” That’s how US news media works. Both sides do everything, here’s why Dems doing it is terrible.

    • DrBigHead

      And if you think it is only the folk in Alabama who believe a child molester is better than a Democrat, you are delusional.

    • pstokk

      Not having to play defence frees you to concentrate on offence. Bug your congress critters to not be tepid.

    • Strepsi
  • Carpe Vagenda
  • jesuswasablack

    Gosh I hope that nobody accuses Kirsten Gillibrand of any inappropriate behavior, it would be a shame if she had to resign?

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      Why do you keep mention this?

      • Shan

        Because he’s an asshole who says #meetoo-ers are hysterical.

        • FukuiSanYesOta

          This is the second time I’ve seen this person do this. Wtf? I don’t block people most of the time, but tempted with this one.

        • jesuswasablack

          Not all or even most just some #metoo’ers, hey I thought you blocked me I liked that better?

        • theblackdog

          Well if he wasn’t already blocked because he kept posting the “naked Donnie” drawing, he would have been blocked by now.

          • Shan

            I don’t like blocking people. And I use the “hide media” feature so I don’t have to look at that portrait any more.

        • IdRatherBeDancing

          His schtick has a very short shelf life indeed.

      • jesuswasablack

        I just hope more democrats don’t have any unsubstantiated allegations of miss-conduct, you once you get eight allegations your forced to step down, Kirsten Gillibrand said so??

      • Carpe Vagenda

        If history is our guide, because s/he really likes starting shit.

        • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

          Yeah, my “asshole meter” was doing double time.

    • Juan de Fuca

      Show us on the doll where Kirsten Gillibrand hurt you.

  • goonemeritus

    In the spirit of full disclosure I donated to Senator Franken’s first run for the Senate. I live half the country away from his beautiful State but I donated because I believed in him. I am sad to see his voice leave but I understand that it is right that he should go. I will however say that I disagree with my Senators point that there should be “no gradation” in harassment.

    • eyelashviper

      He had no choice at this point, after the pile on yesterday.
      Agree that the concept of “no gradation” is silly, just as equating smoking pot with manufacturing meth are even similar.
      I have said it many times since this erupted, that there is a vast difference between foolish and stupid jokes or touching, and serial predation and abuse.
      I do believe that making everyone more aware of their behavior, biases, and thoughts is extremely important in relation to gender issues, but also to become hypersensitive to any perceived word, behavior, or whatever can only cause more frustration, confusion, and ultimately more prejudice.

      • Persistent Demme

        Well said.
        It’s too bad that some people see the world as black and white, (easier, I suppose), instead of shades of grey.

        • eyelashviper

          Absolutes are easy, the rest requires thought, reflection, and even education…

        • cmd resistor

          I have become convinced lately that this black/white thing is a huge part of the problems.

          • Persistent Demme

            Yep.
            It’s what elected the orange idiot.

      • SisterArtemis

        Also, as part of that discussion: all of this is happening in the context of cultural norms that have sanctioned the behaviors for thousands of years – both men getting the message that this bullshit is ok, and women getting the message that we should just smile and put up with it. That stuff is not easily unlearned, and not everyone is starting at the same place. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t put the effort in, but it’s not quick. This is a BIG ship, and turning it around is neither fast nor easy.

        • eyelashviper

          Absolutely.
          There are probably few guys who did not make sexist jokes, oogle someone lewdly, or just be crudely flirtatious, and it was the norm then.
          Also too, very serious sexual harassment or assault must be dealt with firmly and without exception.

  • pstokk

    I hope he does stay active. And now he won’t be hobbled by the need to observe the decorum of a senator. Well I hope anyway.

  • eyelashviper

    Hmmm, how long until someone comes out with a story about how Bob Mueller touched her butt decades ago?

  • The real lesson here is that we need more women in Congress.

    2017: Women are the wall
    2018: Women are the wave

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      Everywhere, from municipal level up. Top to bottom. It’s a good century since it’s been time the Old Boys Club was turfed onto the compost heap of history.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        See above. I got chased off a blog for pointing out how we need more women in power to counteract not only rape culture but its equally violent power-dynamic cousin, gun culture. That 99% of mass shootings are committed by angry white guys who feel threatened and emasculated and if we want the bloodshed to stop, we have to do something not only about guns, but about toxic-masculinity culture. (I also pointed out Trump as the epitome of that culture, and your PM’s promotion of feminism as the antidote for it. Boy, did that hit a nerve.)

        Nobody wanted to hear my explanation of the connections between the two, and instead called me sexist and rude and accused me of hijacking tragedies for political grandstanding. Which seems to be the standard accusation anytime someone points out that action needs to be taken to ensure that victims of gun violence don’t die in vain — in other words, that no more innocent lives are lost by a “bad guy with a gun” (the opposite, in my view, doesn’t exist).

        I don’t have the social stamina to run for office myself, but if Michelle Obama becomes president and moves back into the White House, I think I want to go to there and work for her.

        • Lord Jim
        • Non-Threatening Ron

          Don’tcha love how decrying sexism makes YOU the sexist? Another small part of the fascists’ war on words.

    • Rebelle Onion

      Yes! This is the magic I believe in.

  • Strepsi

    I believe in magic, it will end well for Republicans. I predict this plan of shaming the GOP into a changing hearts and minds will go no NOWHERE because we know from Trump and Moore’s endorsements by the party that they have no shame, no hearts, and no minds.

  • MynameisBlarney

    So…just gonna leave this here.

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029943676

    • chiefkurtz

      She was proved a liar when photos of her and Al at the USO Gala show her smiling congenially w/ Al, supposedly while still ‘damaged’ from his attack three years prior.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Well, maybe not proven to be a liar, but it damn sure makes her accusations look kinda…like not what actually happened.

      • SisterArtemis

        I think people put too much stock in a smile on an accuser’s face. Women are taught to smile as a basic response to “I’m just gonna get through this” situations. “Don’t make waves,” and “don’t give them anything to hurt you with later,” and all manner of reasons play into this. I have multiple pictures of me smiling in family photos with my abuser’s arm around my waist. Didn’t make the abuse imaginary. For a lot of women, it’s just how you get through the moment, and get out of there quicker.

        • chiefkurtz

          I’d put more stock in her avoiding him and the event entirely, which was done in his honor. She did neither.

    • eyelashviper

      Shocking, I tell ya, whooda thunk it??

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      I’ll act surprised about this tomorrow. I promise.

    • jesuswasablack

      Didn’t you chastise me a couple weeks ago for questioning this women’s motives?

    • Bill D. Burger

      I’m still wondering how many of the ‘anonymous’ accusers were groupies/fans of Project Veritas.
      (Only slightly kidding.)

    • Lord Jim
      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Sigh. Well, this makes me feel… vindicated. Not necessarily “better,” but vindicated. Another insecure, macho prick waving his Die Hard machine gun to exaggerate how big is his Santa sack. Ho ho ho.

        If anything, this proves Hans Gruber right. Americans, especially (a certain subset of) American men, are “orphans of a bankrupt culture” who fantasize about being John Wayne, Rambo, and Marshall Dillon. Or, ever since Ronnie Raygun let all the wannabe cowboys cosplay as lone-wolf heroes with overpowered pea shooters… they fantasize that they’re John McClane.

        • Lord Jim

          I’m gonna speculate that it’s no coincidence that his mention of keeping a round in the chamber (“pipe”) is invoking the use of “pipe” as a slang term for “penis”.

  • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

    Semi-OT and TL;DR: Wonkers, I am bummed. Amid all the conversation surrounding #MeToo, I got chased off a blog for pointing out in considerable detail that there is a connection between gun culture and rape culture, because both are about asserting power and control over another’s life — especially with regard to men who don’t feel secure in their “power and control” and seek to “reclaim” it in unhealthy ways.

    It was a response article to this study and a BTL discussion about some high-profile massacres, including the Vegas shooting (now the worst in American history), the Polytéchnique (which, like Isla Vista, was blatantly about hatred of women) and the upcoming fifth anniversary of Sandy Hook (wherein the shooter actually killed his overprotective mother as the first victim, even before mowing down 25 Kindergarteners — can’t get much more Norman Bates than that). Each one of these tragedies, I pointed out (as does this and other studies), was the fault of angry white men — and I got a real beatdown for it.

    I hate that the format of the non-comment section doesn’t allow for nuance or explanation of in-depth concepts and that the Internet has given rise to the phrase TL;DR, because one person accused me of hating on men, when what I said specifically was toxic masculinity and even provided a link for further reading. Nobody read any of the links and instead got angry with me, even said that I was being “sexist and rude,” and that I was hijacking the memory of gun violence victims for political grandstanding.

    I explained that that wasn’t my intent, that I am angry that so much gun violence and rape is happening (and did apologize if my tone came across as hostile), and that all I want is for the underlying roots of this problem to be addressed with something besides “thoughts and prayers” and the NRA CEO asserting his dickishness to the moms of Sandy Hook victims (again, the gendered power dynamic), or Alex Jones siccing his rabid audience on them to accuse them of being participants in a false-flag conspiracy theory. That the problem is too many guns (or any guns at all), and too-easy access to guns, but beyond that, a culture (nobody addressed the word “culture”) that aids and abets and justifies resorting to violence against the vulnerable (women, especially) instead of agreeing to be partners in a kinder, gentler, and more equitable society.

    I said the NRA and gun culture is a culture of death, and that just like with rape, gun violence is a violation of the body — which therefore means rape is not only about sex but about power, first and foremost. But I probably struck the biggest nerve where I brought up Trump’s obvious insecurities and him being a sexual predator, and his assertion of his “macho-ness” talking about shooting people on Fifth Avenue and blood coming out of wherever. Nobody wanted to hear it, and said instead that I have a wild imagination where I talk about women now resorting to packing heat to defend or “equalize” against abusive domestic partners (again back to the obvious Freudian symbolism). But because I kept bringing up that obvious “tiny hands” symbolism, the gendered insecurity factor, castration phobia, and toxic masculinity, I’m now a “dime store ripoff of Freud” according to one.

    I don’t think I’m outright banned, but judging by the responses (all of which were by “Anonymous” or “Guest,” but this seems to be rather common), I’m probably not going to be welcomed back for a long, long time. Which depresses me, because I don’t get out much or have outside hobbies and comments that don’t exist are really my only outlet to maintain some semblance of sanity.

    I stand by everything that I said, but I have to say I really was shaking in typing my contrite apology that I caused so much upset, and that my intent was never to demonstrate animosity toward anyone. I just want peace, and I don’t want the cancer of hatred and violence to keep spreading.

    Anyway, that’s my story of being shamed off the Internet for trying to get to the, uh, “root” of the problem. I’m sad. But, now back to your regularly scheduled program of other insecure, violent, and entitled men.

    • eyelashviper

      From what you say here and explained about what you posted, they are all idiots for not getting it.
      I find that my online commenting has become much more circumscribed, as I just don’t want to deal with hatred, ignorance, and vitriol.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Right, and I did say it was men who act or behave in a particular way, and the culture that rewards and enables this. Nobody wants to address that word culture — it doesn’t mean you, individually, are a gun-toting potential rapist, but that there is an environment which allows these attitudes to thrive and be justified and which you may and probably do benefit from in some way, shape or form. Like the white-privilege (or “double standard”) concept that always gets people riled up with defense that “I’m not one of those Charlottesville punks!”

        No, no one is saying that you’re a brownshirt, just that because we have a culture that prioritizes whiteness as the default or the benefit of the doubt, even poor whites do have advantages inadvertently conferred upon them that black and brown people of all walks of life do not. It’s a complicated subject that really can’t be explained adequately within the limitations of an Internet replies section; however, this is really all we’ve got to explain to people, especially if they’re not willing to go out and do further reading to educate themselves on the subject.

        Carl Sagan was a prophet who foresaw this. He called it the 30-second soundbite culture being a hallmark of our “celebration of ignorance,” because the Internet wasn’t yet so widespread when he died in 1997 (or when he published Science as a Candle in the Dark in 1995). 30-second soundbites then = 140/280-character tweets and fired-off comment replies today.

        • eyelashviper

          So well said, and again, if they didn’t get it, they are incapable of ever getting it.
          You write well, bring it where it is appreciated!

    • SisterArtemis

      Well, don’t let it shut you up – that was a good read about your thinking right there. I’m sad you got shamed, but not sad you put your two cents in, and glad you shared it with us.

      If you blog, I’d suggest you polish that up a tiny bit, and post it.

      • ltmcdies

        it’s a good post. And you are right…a lot of discussion in both spheres does revolve around the notion of “entitlement”….

    • One common characteristic of men who go on mass shootings is a history of domestic violence. No need to apologize, you are right and just.

    • Gosala

      You made a lot of people uncomfortable. Good for you!

      We need to be uncomfortable. We need to confront exactly the issues you raised.

      Unfortunately we have a terrible tendency to shoot the messenger. We blame them for politicizing, for being tone deaf, being overly sensitive. When actually all we,ant is to not think about things that are uncomfortable.

      I think that’s what happened to you. I, for one, support you.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Thanks. I actually went to bed and started welling up. I know, it seems silly, find another non-comment section and move on, but when you don’t have a lot of outlets for expression and you’ve got stuff bottled up inside, things just sometimes kind of… flow.

        That Ars Technica thread about the same study (I think the link I posted on the blog was from Newsweek) is also a bar fight in and of itself. Emotional issue that really hits a nerve.

        • Gosala

          Not silly at all. Hang in there.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      GGS, anyone who thinks you intend harm, or are engaged in disingenuous trolling, or are a basically irrational person, is not capable of reading or thinking well. I’ve been reading you long enough to know you are and do none of those things, and I think I may be speaking for all of us in that regard.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Thanks. I appreciate the support I’m getting back here at “home base.” Which, I guess, does tend to demonstrate the whole “echo chamber” criticism of “partisan” blogs and forums as part of the reason why there’s so much polarization in not only politics but our society as a whole. It cold be a chicken-and-egg scenario, though, in that the Internet isn’t so much the cause but a symptom of a phenomenon that was already occurring, which either exacerbated or accelerated it to a point where everyone just ends up in their own “safe space,” as much as that term gets mocked and misunderstood.

        In the meanwhile, as people attack the messengers who are trying to point out the problem in hopes of coming around with a solution, people are still dying from gun violence, and angry dudes are still on the warpath against women challenging their exaggerated prowess. I don’t want to kick another hornet’s nest, but blood is still being shed needlessly as these guys are waving their dicks around claiming victory over (who else) a random girl on the Internet.

    • DrBigHead

      IMO, the problem you mention extends well beyond the internet. The internet just exacerbates the problem because of the relative anonymity of the participants. This is an emotionally charged issue where it may take some time before more nuanced discussions can be had.

    • Lord Jim

      I guess it wouldn’t have helped to speculate about possible parallels in psychodynamics b/n firearm assualt and piquerism. In any case, I’m guessing that some (particularly men) folks got a little uncomfortable with the thought of being tacitly complicit with violence culture on account of inaction. I’ve been wondering recently how many times I could have made a difference, but kept my head down to keep my privelege.

    • SayItWithWookies

      It sounds like you made an excellent argument and people who didn’t get it or who saw themselves in it lashed out. It’s polite to apologize for going overboard (even if you don’t think you did — diplomacy has to start somewhere) and understandable that you were upset — it’s probably happened to lots of us who’ve asserted controversial or uncomfortable opinions at one point or another. But I think your summary is quite sensible and the poor fools who lashed out at you don’t want to acknowledge that their attitude is part of the problem.

  • Persistent Demme

    I hope this pays off somehow.
    The cultural shift is a good thing, but I fear that the current climate of pussy-grabbers and pedophiles will prevail.
    I hope I’m wrong, but color me skeptical.
    I am sad.

    • eyelashviper

      Well, we all know tht GOPers are sociopaths, and narcissists, also too, so we cannot expect any change from their behavior of ugliness and assault.

      • puredog

        In fact, we’re banking on it.

        • TootsStansbury

          It’s a Hella gamble, the other guys are out and out fascists. I hope it works the Republic is hanging by a thread.

    • SisterArtemis
      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Another hero taken down by a bad guy with a gun.

        • Roadstergal

          But the murderous motherfucker failed to silence Dr King’s voice.

          • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

            True.

            I will never forget either that not a single Republican showed up in 2013 for Obama’s commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the I Have a Dream Speech. Even Billo called them out, which I was surprised to see (although in all honesty it was more about “this is bad for PR” than an actual “calling out” of the not-so-subtle racism).

            But it should have been blatantly obvious at that point that the GOP was going full-throttle in openly being the party of (rich) white guys with a few tokens thrown in as a pathetic excuse for plausible deniability. Romney lost. They had nothing to lose the next time around and knew that if they doubled down and amped up the blame-Obama rhetoric enough, they’d have their “good old days” back by 2016. Wouldn’t you know, it worked.

          • amrak63

            “Wouldn’t you know, it worked.”

            With a little help from their comrades friends.

  • puredog

    “D’you believe in magic,
    In a young girl’s pants. . .” etc.
    — The “Lovin’ Spoonful”

    • Bill D. Burger

      That’s how Roy Moore remembers the lyrics.

    • mardam422

      Like my penis gets chubby
      when I get rid of their aunts.

      • BreakingDeadMen

        If it makes you feel groovy
        like a Traci Lords movie

        • mardam422

          Come to my house and then you’ll know
          how the magic’s in my penis
          and my penis is in you!!

  • Ducksworthy

    Get ready to welcome your new champion of women’s rights. Senator Roy Moore.

  • eyelashviper
    • Bad Tom

      Your accusers can be totally anonymous, too. Not even the news outlets that publish their stories know who they are.

      That wouldn’t fly with the Washington Post. But it sure did with Huffingtonpost.

      • eyelashviper

        And all the Dem Senators yesterday, it was just irresponsible and stupid.

  • Bill D. Burger

    ot…but …. Surra’ Sanders says Trump will have a full physical at Walter Reed Medical Center early next year, and “those records will be released by the doctor following that.”
    (*Guess he’ll bring in his personal Dr. for the final evaluation.)
    http://desispeaks.com/wp-content/uploads/trumpcare.png

    • eyelashviper

      I’v got some rusty old scalpels, dull as hell, but sure will be fun..

    • Rotisserie Teal

      Yeah, around the same time he releases his tax returns right?

  • Lord Jim

    Will we now be hearing calls for the resignation of Clarence “Have a Pubic Hair and a Smile” Thomas? Anyone? Bueller?

  • galdebord

    “You have to believe in magic to think this is going to end well for Democrats.” – there, fixed it for you WSJ (which is, as we all know, a renowned repository of left-leaning wisdom).

    • Johnny Appleseed

      Owned by Rupert Murdoch.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        With the Koch brothers at the helm of Time now, something tells me this year will be the last time something like #MeToo gets any positive press. It’s going to end up looking like the National Review by next year.

        • Johnny Appleseed

          Another GOP joke rag?

      • Persistent Demme

        He of climate change denial, and a burning house in CA?
        (Boo-fuckin’-hoo.)

        • Johnny Appleseed

          He formerly of Fox. Reality scares you that much, huh?

          That fire is only burning Republican houses dummy.

  • BigCSouthside

    Here’s the thing, I think that Senate Dems missed a few opportunities and at least in the short term, caused a regression in how we handle this

    The first is that they should have allowed the ethics investigation, because it would set procedural precedent on how to handle these issues in congress. Now, as it stands, it just appears that we will go ahead and pull the trigger on anyone if someone can dig up some allegations against them

    Second, it sent a really loud and regressive message: if you want to keep your job, ADMIT NOTHING. This isn’t encouraging people to accept responsibility and learn, and that is partially due to the unwillingness of republican leadership to punish their people who just flat out deny. This also makes it LESS likely for victims to come speak out. I think ousting Franken without the hearing, with the GOP unwillingness to punish their own just made it harder for victims.

    Finally, because of the current environment, in trying to hold the moral high ground, we gave the GOP plausible (albeit incorrect) claim to the high ground. “Your guy resigned. He wouldn’t fight. Obviously guilty and therefore he’s WORSE than our guy”.

    So basically, this made it harder for victims to come forward, regressed our approach to these situations, created an environment for ratfuckery, and handed the perceived moral high ground to the conservatives, who will now ABSOLUTELY get Roy Moore elected, and will continue to not punish their own.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Disagree, they are in the moral gutter and know it. If they want to rationalize it, that’s their problem. As for the committee, with new and more credible accusers coming forward, it had progressed from a venous to arterial wound and it was important to staunch the bleeding. I think the messaging has to be: we keep our house clean. The GOP is the party of Farenthold, Trump, Moore and Barton. They can do what they want, we do what’s right.

      • BigCSouthside

        That message doesn’t win seats, and their actions yesterday and today make it easier for those assholes to cheat to win.

        This game is about power. We can be as “clean” as we want but it won’t mean shit when we are living in a theocracy where no one gets health care, education, or housing unless they have 7 figure bank accounts, are white, and have a penis

        I know I sound alarmist, but now is definitely the time to be fucking alarmed

        • BreakingDeadMen

          I like Al, I don’t think he did was in the same moral universe as the Moores and Trumps of the world, and I hope he is able to continue to contribute to the discussion. But the truth appears not to be on his side. The answer is to be more outraged about Farenthold and Moore, not to excuse Franken.

          • BigCSouthside

            Our outrage gets us nowhere, if there is no mechanism in place to procedurally investigate and enforce.

            They deny, ignore, and it eventually fades from the spotlight

          • Persistent Demme

            Good point, but BigC is right, too.

          • BreakingDeadMen

            Wonket contains multitudes

      • Shan

        I don’t think it’s that simple.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          It’s that simple, it just isn’t easy.

    • eyelashviper

      Agree, and having a venue where the issues can be investigated, and are not just vague or innuendo, which will never allow the accused to clear up anything,
      Especially in the political realm, this methodology can be utilized against anyone, though Gopers don’t care, and Dems throw in the towel without looking at the facts.
      It is a good thing that we are all discussing this, and that everyone hopefully will look at their past and present behavior, and take responsibility for their words and behavior toward others.

      • jesuswasablack

        We already have a venue for litigating these issues, it’s called Twitter!

    • ltmcdies

      I have an idea…how about in the future instead of admit nothing…how about do nothing for which you might have to admit to later to begin with.

      or as my mom used to say…keep your bloody hands to yourself.

      • tomamitai

        “or as my mom used to say…keep your bloody hands to yourself”
        Isn’t that what Louis CK allegedly did?

        • ltmcdies

          I guess it never occurred to mom to add…and keep it in your god damn pants

    • CaliCheeseSucks

      This x 1000.

  • Belasaurius

    “You have to believe in magic to think this is going to end well for Republicans.” Well, most Republican voters already believe in imaginary friends in the sky, so I’m guessing they’ll continue to win elections and slowly kill the rest of us.

    • Belasaurius

      also thank you for your service and fuck you for doing this to us

    • Rotisserie Teal

      I’m not sure it’s going to be all that slowly.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Ultimately there are enough good, able, feisty, righteous Democrats willing to take Franken’s place that his resignation won’t cost us. It’s when your party is supporting racists, theocrats, child molesters, thieves and traitors that you know they’re scraping the very bottom of the barrel.

    • Rotisserie Teal

      Um, may I point out that Al’s first win was a squeaker against Norm Coleman?

    • miss_grundy

      And yet these racists, theocrats, child molesters, thieves and traitors keep winning their elections.

      • SayItWithWookies

        Not this year in Virginia. It can be done.

  • OrG

    The “moral high ground card” is pretty much useless in this game.

    • Bill D. Burger

      They went low and we went high! ___ OK …..
      After last November__

      http://i.imgur.com/FEq1Txo.gif

    • Iron Monkey

      Right. When the opposition thinks morality is whatever is expedient there is no high ground, just the valleys of darkness in which they wallow.

    • ariel_gee_398
      • OrG

        LOL

      • miss_grundy

        This is why I am so envious of Charlie Pierce. He is such an excellent wordsmith.

    • lunar62

      The high moral ground gives us people like Donald J Trump and his amoral, win-at-all-costs enablers. The high moral ground is going to fuck up this country for decades to come. This is bullshit. Republicans are laughing their asses off as they continue to support Roy Moore.

      • lunar62

        I thought I was done venting but apparently not. I’d be very careful about buying into this cultural shift business. I was born in the 50’s and have seen how many of these so-called cultural shifts didn’t quite go as expected.

        Women in power in Washington need to look at the long game and proceed with caution. Treating Franken as the moral equivalent of Moore without any kind of investigation may be emotionally satisfying, but they need to ask who they want by their side to fight the big battles. Sometimes it seems like the very soul of this country is at stake and we have a madman as President.

        I’ve been the victim of sexual harassment and was close to being raped by a boss 40 years ago. I know the shit that goes on. I don’t believe what’s happening now is going to change much for women. The truly bad men who do this stuff will just target their victims more carefully and offer pay-offs quicker. Getting rid of Franken isn’t changing anything.

        • miss_grundy

          Amen, sister.

  • Johnny Appleseed

    I respect Senator Franken’s and Rep. Conyers’ stepping down and the view that “it’s the right thing to do”. It saves potential victims from further suffering IF these acts were indefensible. But I hope to God the non-actions of Farenthold, Moore and Trump (maybe others) are brought in to a bright spotlight after the Dems take control next November.

    • tomamitai

      “…after the Dems take control next November”
      Control of what, the moral high ground? They sure as shit won’t be controlling the Congress, not unless they can get full turnout of their voters and the republican’s all forget to show up.

      • Old town Urbandale

        I think the Dems will continue to splinter and the freakin’ GOP will make gains in 2018. Moving to Scandinavia and renouncing American citizenship is looking better all the time.

      • Johnny Appleseed

        Yes, full turnout. Something the GOP still didn’t get last year. She got almost 3 million more votes and he only got 307 Republican E. C. Votes. He’s a serious liability, if he makes it much longer before Indictment.

    • miss_grundy

      You still do not understand how the political game is played if you believe that the Dems will take control next November.

      • Johnny Appleseed

        Time will tell, but we’re most definitely going in on offense and as the favorite. As long as Trump is goof of the world, we’ll be fine.

  • georgiapeach

    I don’t blame him for resigning. There is no way to combat accusations made and so far not proved when your own party is afraid of losing some sort of moral authority for combating pussy grabbers and pedophiles. Democrats in office are proving to have no freaking backbone and are willing to eat their own for personal political profit.

    • Lily412

      If what they wanted was political power, I think they would have been fine with him staying in office. Believe it or not, it is an actual sacrifice to ask someone in their party to step down, because they need every person they can get in Congress to keep the majority from pushing through horrible bullshit.

  • Moebym of the Returners

    Over at Democratic Underground, there’s something of a mutiny going on. The users are taking their anger and grief out on the Democratic Senators (and a certain Independent I will not name) who called for Franken’s resignation, calling them “fake” Dems, swearing never to donate to them again, and even threatening to primary them. I’d go so far to describe their behavior as vitriolic.

    We are all upset about Franken’s resignation (especially given how his seat was a hard-fought victory), but calls for primarying these senators, especially the ones in vulnerable seats? What does this accomplish, exactly?

    • SDGeoff3

      I’m not even going to venture to Kosland. There’s only so much false outrage I can handle in a day.

      • Moebym of the Returners

        You’ve made a wise decision.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      Bernie should be primaried. The others not so much.

      • tomamitai

        How do you primary an independent? ( ͡ᵔ ͜ʖ ͡ᵔ )

        • BreakingDeadMen

          Well, you can hold a Democratic primary

          • miss_grundy

            A closed Democratic primary in which only Democratic candidates are on the ballot that have been checked to be registered members of the party.

          • tomamitai

            Vermont has open primaries, and there are already two Dems running, according to https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_election_in_Vermont,_2018

          • BreakingDeadMen

            No support from the DNC, though. They are afraid of his nihilistic cultists.

      • Marceline

        That’s the reason Bernie ran back to being an independent. He knew if he stayed a Democrat that’s exactly what would happen.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          If he became a Democrat it would give him more legitimacy in 2020 and it would give him some help in terms of cementing his legacy in VT when he has to step down in a few years. But there’s no getting through that gray mound of vanity in his skull.

        • miss_grundy

          Bernie was never a Democrat. Even when he ran for the nomination. You will need to show me proof that he registered as a Democrat in Vermont. I’ll be around whenever you can show me the proof.

          • Marceline

            Good point.

    • eyelashviper

      I am angry at many of them also, and just spent some time unsubscribing to the vast array of emails from dems and dem organizatins. I tell them the reason for unsubscribing…”you dumped Franken, I am dumping you”.
      Of course, when elections come along I will do the right thing and vote for the sane person (dem or ind).

    • Marceline

      Yeah, I’m seeing that on Twitter. A lot of rage and people declaring they are leaving the party.

      I mean, I hate this for a lot of reasons (I really didn’t like that whole “I am Spartacus” routine yesterday) but there is a small plus to this. Cory Booker and Deval Patrick are going to Alabama to campaign for Doug Jones. This officially shut down any whataboutism they might have encountered.

      • BigCSouthside

        Nope. Here is what they’ll say: “did you see that today? Disgusting. Democrats like Franken are disgusting, and I bet they are really regretting putting these false accusations against the judge because it just exposed their corruption. We cant have that democrat corruption in the senate”.

        There, I just turned any fence sitting registered republican in about 10 seconds

        In a few sentences I have used a deep state dog whistle, equated democrats with sin, delegitimized Moore’s accusers, and taken the moral high ground.

        • Rotisserie Teal

          This^^^^^

      • Rotisserie Teal

        That is where I’m at as well. And sending a couple of articulate men of color down to Redneck central to espouse the Democratic party and its “baby killing, gay rights agenda” is unlikely to change any minds to our side. More likely, quite the opposite.

        • Marceline

          I think the goal is to turnout the black and brown vote not to change any minds. This is going to be about turnout.

          • miss_grundy

            Hmmmm, will black and brown voters have an easy time voting on election day??? We are talking about Alabama, right?

        • miss_grundy

          Yes, having two men of color going to Alabama to speak on behalf of Doug Jones will go so well because Alabamans have always been so color-blind. Not!

      • LaChatSayWha

        It occurred to me today, once I’d spent hours angry and thinking about this political move: I suspect that Al also fell on a sword to pre-empt more Conyers stories, about both son & father. The stories were sounding very bad. And the nepotism is awful as well.

        Of course, the Repukes are unlikely to let the Conyers story go, but they’ve got a little trouble right now themselves. Watching this drama play out today was intense, w/ Trent Franks pushed out as an attempt at a counter to the Franken resignation. There’s more to Franks’ nasty Handmaid’s Tale freakery & if he’s the most benign predator the Rs offer up, shit’s gonna get much wilder.

        I’m hoping Franken will return to public life. There’s no question about his desire to make amends for whatever he did (& I have no idea what is ratfucking or not), & that’s important to me.

        We are at war. Or rather, the republicans are waging war on us. We need every competent person w/ integrity fighting for us. Stakes is high.

    • MynameisBlarney

      It accomplishes phase 2 of putin’s Operation: Kill Moose and Squirrel?

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        yes.

  • Belasaurius

    ah Democrats, always bringing nail clippers to a gunfight, and then trying to figure out why they lose so much

  • Paperless Tiger

    Democrats: If there’s any question of my integrity, I must step down.

    Republicans: Junior high school bitch set me up!

    • Bill D. Burger

      “Lil’ jessebelle’ harlot Lolitas set me up. ___ uhhh, they would have but I never met eny’ uv’ em’. Yeah…that’s it.” ____ Roy Moore

    • Bad Tom

      And we just have to raise the question. No need for answers.

  • William

    Well he can always run on a GOP ticket.

  • Out of Patience

    Is everyone guilty of vague crimes and soft accusations have to resign? Is there a statue of limitations? Moore is a degenerate pedophile, but honestly there are a 1000 other reasons not to vote for the fake christian hypocrite. Where are we going with this?

    • Bad Tom

      “Where are we going with this?”

      The Republicans win again! And we helped!
      Roger Stone is laughing his ass off.
      We were punked.

      • ((( Augustus )))

        portions of our delegation are very easily played, I believe, due to their naiveté

        • miss_grundy

          Sometimes I believe it is not naiveté.

  • Anne Of Green Bagels

    wtf does she want? his head on a silver platter? this is getting absurd. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/stephanie-kemplin-franken-not-owning-up-actions

    • Belasaurius

      fuck her and her shitty hairstyle

    • Iron Monkey

      She should take a hike–nothing more for her to add to the discussion although MSNBC will cover it.

      • Anne Of Green Bagels

        that’s the only thing you’ll hear them talk about until it’s time for Lock Up again.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    I was the first to defend against Tweeden. But it’s no longer about only Tweeden.

  • rocktonsam

    and president pervert crawls the earth.

  • Jenny

    So are the dems going to weaponize their higher morals now?

    No? Well shit.

    Also don’t take selfies and don’t grab butts while doing it!

    • Mike Minden

      Weaponize? More like unilateral disarmament.

      • King Beauregard

        Right, because Democrats are somehow stronger for tolerating mistreatment of women.

        The net number of Democrats in the Senate has not changed here, you know.

        • Mike Minden

          When you try to draw a moral equivalency between Franken and Moore, you are only serving the interests of the radical right. Do you not understand the difference between “people are flawed” and “evil”???

          • King Beauregard

            Sure I do.

            Flawed: “I made a mistake.”

            Evil: “I will tolerate behavior I know is wrong because it is convenient for me to do so.”

      • Jenny

        I liked Al Franken’s politics, but I’ve never been a fan of his both comic and as a political personality. You have to be real fucking dumb to think a hollywood comedian doesn’t have some wild shit skeletons in his closet.

        1-2 accusers, manageable. Over that? Total shit show that doesn’t need to be in a position of power over anyone. If he’s willing to violate a person’s space, what else is he willing to violate? Kick backs? Dark money? Too easily corrupted in my opinion.

        I really don’t give a shit he’s gone. A democrat will take his place. Shit is all good in that perspective.

        If the dems squander this opportunity to deride the Republicans on their values, THEN I will be pissed.

    • miss_grundy

      Keep your hands in your pockets at all times. And don’t stand so close next to the person that your arm touches his/her arm by mistake. They may decide to say you are a groper.

  • Mike Minden

    Franken, flawed human but good Senator goes down in flames. Roy Moore, pervert and horrible Senator-to-be thrives.
    I have officially lost my last shred of hope for this country.

    • AnneBonny

      We’re working from “women are safe nowhere” to “women are safe somewhere at least.” That gives me hope.

      • miss_grundy

        Until a woman is accused of being a sexual harasser…..

  • Marceline
    • jesuswasablack

      I don’t know she looks kind of grabby to me?

    • weejee

      Yay. Welcome to the two female US Senator club Minnesota. Amy is just great, and pretty sure that Tina Smith will be as well.

  • NotReallyHere

    Really great article by a Senate page giving yet another reason why Roy Moore would be terrible for the Senate.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/12/07/i-was-a-teenage-senate-page-the-thought-of-senator-roy-moore-makes-me-sick/?utm_term=.71cdc6e78318

  • jesuswasablack

    Congrats Evan you and Trump Jr. are on the same page!
    https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/938815409737928704

    • BreakingDeadMen

      But they don’t, Donnie. They really, really don’t.

    • ((( Augustus )))

      what a vile specimen

      • Shan

        He couldn’t even get the quote right.

    • mailman27

      Have your big laffs while the laffin’s good, pink boy.

  • Lily412

    Roy Moore is going to win. Because Alabama.

  • Rok E Raccoon

    I’m not ready just yet to lend my voice to a few verses of Kumbaya, but you all go ahead if it floats your boat. I hope your position atop the moral high ground allows you a great view of the Republicans laughing their asses off, as they watch you cave in, roll over, and fold up like cheap tents. Devouring your own hardly sounds like a winning strategy, and neither does surrendering before the fight begins. I guess terms like loyalty, proportionality, and due process are now meaningless in the face of the current hysteria. Good luck ya all, you’re gonna need it.

    • SisterArtemis

      And who are YOU, that you stand outside this process looking in?

      • Rok E Raccoon

        If by process you mean the election process, I contribute to candidates, sometimes volunteer my time, and always vote. If by process you mean calling for a sitting Senator’s resignation, I had no choice but to stand outside and watch as my Party threw a good man and an even better Senator under the bus without an investigation, a hearing, or a chance to defend himself. He, and the people of MN who elected him deserved better.

        • SisterArtemis

          Indeed they do, and the rest of us too. There has to be something in between total ouster and just sitting back and doing nothing.

    • Shan
      • jesuswasablack

        If someone is sexually harassed they should report it to the proper authority, employer, police etc. Waiting 10-15 years doesn’t seem like a good way to proceed?

        • Shan

          Did you read the article?

          • miss_grundy

            If you bump into a famous person and ask to have a photo taken with said person and he tries to get handsy, it is alright for you to call him on it right there. Like saying, “back up, buddy! I just want a photo!”

          • Shan

            Not everyone reacts the same. That’s what they count on and why so many of them get away with it for so long.

            I hope that’s changing now.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            Respectfully disagree. They ‘get away with it for so long’ because women remain silent. Every woman after the 1st is at least partially due to her silence. Remaining silent only emboldens the groper, and encourages his to continued inappropriate behavior.

            Maybe I only know ballsy women, but none of them would meekly submit to a groping in silence.

            I’m guessing AF must be gifted on determining which of his intended victims would stand still for it and remain silent, as I don’t recall a single incident where he was publicly embarrassed by women as the groping occurred.

          • Shan

            Fuck that. Women who speak up have been pilloried for centuries. Now we’re just supposed to jab them in the ribs and, what….hope for the best?

            JFC.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            I was referring to the alleged victims of Al Franken’s alleged serial groping? Not rape? Not sexual harassment in the work place? Not domestic violence? Not how women have been treated in the past as if they were property. If a woman is touched inappropriately,especially in a public setting, she should not let it slide. Speak up, move away from the offender, embarrass them, report it immediately. Do something. Do anything. Don’t do nothing.

            If I were groped and I said or did nothing and the perp went on to do it to someone else, or 7 more people, I would always wonder if I could have prevented those people from suffering the same fate if I had only done something when it happened to me.

          • Shan

            Again, fuck your victim-blaming rape culture apologist bullshit. Do some research next time.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            NO, fuck your-women-are-powerless-victims who can’t speak up or act because male dominated society has oppressed them for centuries bullshit. Silence is the enemy. Inaction perpetuates the status quo. Women have a voice today, and an obligation to use it. They are no longer bound by the inequities of the past. The power is theirs for the asking or if necessary by the taking. I don’t blame the victim of a violent attack, they have my sincerest sympathies, and I admire the ones who are courageous enough to say NO, this stops here, this stops now, I refuse to be a victim any longer.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            Buh bye.

          • Shan

            Glad you learned something.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            From you? pulleeze. Now unless you absolutely need the last word, please go lay by your dish.

          • Shan

            Y’all are so easily outed.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            You can’t out me, I was never in it.

          • Shan

            Also, fuck your blaming silenced victims who have been abused for their abusers moving in to other victims. That’s some Geade A rape culture bullshir right there.

          • Marceline

            That assumes everyone considers it assault. There was stuff described by some of Franken’s accusers where my reaction would be “Is this dude hitting on me?” and then gone on about my business.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            Or a short, quick elbow to a floating rib would also work.

      • Rok E Raccoon

        Interesting read, thank you. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the author of the piece referred to sexual harassment in the workplace, yes? A situation where a person in power makes unwanted and repeated efforts to coerce, threaten, and abuse their subordinate/s. A charge that has never been leveled by anyone who has ever worked for AF.

        My idea of due process in this situation is not the legal concept guaranteed in the Constitution, but a less formal, but thorough investigation, followed by an Ethics Committee hearing, and a findings report issued The Senator as well as the people of Minnesota who elected and reelected him deserved at least that much ‘due process’.

        • Shan

          If you don’t think his celebrity status put him in a position of power, you’re missing something

          And I would have preferred an investigation as well, for various reasons.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            Sorry, but I really don’t grok the ‘position of power’ that AF had over any of his accusers, either the ones who have courageously identified themselves or the others who’ve chosen to remain anonymous. Could he demote them, deny them raises, delay promotions, or fire them?

            At best his celebrity put him in close contact, albeit very briefly, with females he absolutely zero power over. Anyone of his accusers could have, and should have addressed any inappropriate behavior immediately without fear of reprisal. I have two daughters, and I’d like to think I’ve taught them not to be a silent victim in situations similar to what AF accusers have suggested.

          • Shan

            There’s a reason victims remain silent, and it’s not just because of how their parents raised them, it’s how they see victims treated and perpetrators mostly go unpunished.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            Totally agree in cases of rape and domestic violence. In a case of a grope or inappropriate touch in a public place, there is no excuse for silence and inaction. Part of the perps punishment would be the public embarrassment and humiliation of getting caught and called on it. Additional punishment might include a possible beat down by a friend, family member, or good Samaritan.

          • Shan

            You’ve obviously never been groped in public. No excuse for silence and inaction? Fixk you.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            No I haven’t, but I promise you I would be neither silent or inactive. I would not be a docile victim.

            And to your last statement, Same to you, and the horse you rode in on.

    • Mike Minden

      Amen! Instead of trying to win, the Dems are creating excuses for their upcoming failures.

      • Moar Wordz

        Awww, that’s cute. Are you a bootstrapper ?
        Because Meuller isn’t failing, Trump’s Oligarchy is the whole world knows it.
        Guess you missed the memo ?
        And Trump’s 24/7 ” Twat’s ? ”
        First President whose as addicted to his own pontificating on Social media as an egomaniacal little girl , Twats foreign policy, political endorsements, jibberish, and lies.
        ” There was nothing to hide ! “

        • miss_grundy

          Mueller is a Republican, in case you have forgotten. He is also a public servant, so he is doing his job. At least, he is probably one of the few Republicans who put country over party.

          • Moar Wordz

            Oh, shucks, I meant to write ” Mueller (THE REPUBLICAN, EVERYONE READ THAT ?!?! MUELLER THE GINORMOUS, GIANT, BIG-PHAT-REPUBLICAN) isn’t
            FAILING. He might not vote Republican but he’s sure aiding the Dems now.
            O.K. I’ll indulge your petty argument.
            Warren was originally a REPUBLICAN !!!
            SHHHHHH.
            It’s a SEKRIT
            Wonkette
            Very top sekrit
            Clandestine
            Club members only
            Miss Grundy !
            Hey – can I call you Mz.Grundy ?
            Now that we’re friends ???

    • Rotisserie Teal

      A-fucking men-Rok.

    • Moar Wordz

      Oh, we’re not just devouring our own, we’re devouring yours 2. When we’re not choking on GOP birdbrain hypocrisy.
      And nobody “devoured” Franken, they held him accountable for his predation. Just as Trump et all is accountable to the American people.
      I’d say Trumps, Flynn, Manafort, Moore, Shortey, Sessions, and Franken are feeling Democratic due process right about now.
      (Cough, ) Mueller-Yates ?
      Hey, BTW ? Charlene Lamb of State Department shot down requests for additional security at the embassy where Stevens was assassinated, among many other proud service men by terrorists. I’m pretty sure she’s one of yours. Psssst -there was an investigation into her role during Benghazi. Check it out ! Ya might learn something.

      • Rok E Raccoon

        Life long Democrat here, just tired of losing and watching my Party bring rubber knives to gunfights, and waving white hankies before the first punch is thrown..

        • Moar Wordz

          Gosh, you really fooled me. Giggle !
          A wolf in sheep’s clothing then

          • Rok E Raccoon

            Fooling someone who only sees what they want to see is not exactly a Herculean task.

          • Moar Wordz

            Remind me of that when I post the recording of the snazzy helicopter doing three lazy circles directly above my home this afternoon. Happens -oh- least five times a month.
            ” Mebbe she’s uh-mag-in-in-it ! ”
            Yeah, that’s the kid.
            So if I’m skeptical of your Donkey flag waving when you just did a proverbial donkey punch to my party, it definitely wasn’t born overnight.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            Put down the bottle, or pipe, or tube of glue. You’re fading fast.

          • Moar Wordz

            Bwahahaha. You’re delightful.
            Has nothing to do with ANY of those substances.
            Thanks for naively and condescendingly dismissing me, tho’ !!!!
            Why- why- I feel like the plaintiff in the Clarence Thomas investigation.
            ” What was it again ? ”
            ” A pubic hair, Sir. ”
            ” A what ? ”

            Substitute ” pubic hair ” with ” helicopter ”
            Add bourgeois complacency and status quo, whose lofty heights
            you peer down from.
            White male syndrome

          • Moar Wordz

            You know, I’ve been thinking , since my accident and trip to the ED, I could REALLY use some 420.
            Do you know where I could score a prescription to a dispensary ?
            Thanks, you’re the best.
            You keep doing you.

          • Moar Wordz

            Thanks. Since my trip to the ER I could REALLY use a prescription for some 420.
            Know where I could score one ?
            Legal like, a dispensary prescription.

      • kathyseivers

        Predation? WTF? Are you nuts?

        • Moar Wordz

          No

          • Rok E Raccoon

            I think you should seek a second opinion.

          • Moar Wordz

            You too, Doctor

          • Moar Wordz

            U 2 Doc. Complacency is not a family value.
            Do you walk in my shoes ?
            NO.
            You wouldn’t last a day, hour, or hot minute in them.
            Yes,yes, y’all. You heard me.
            FRANKEN’S REPREHENSIBLE PREDATION !!!!!!
            You know, as well as I, that the Derp State takes no prisoners.

          • Moar Wordz

            YAH !!!!! Second opinion !!!!!!!
            Cuz wimminz be Kray-z-z-z-y when they object to surveillance….oh, all that silly
            stuff we learned in school. Bannana Republics, Military Industrial complex, Bay O pigs, the attempts against Castro’s life, the infiltration of the FBI into the Black Panther movement, Iran-Contra affair, Ollie North, Snowden’s testimony….oh all it needs is a ” 2nd opinion.” Jay-Z Booz Hamilton and Monsanto – HYSTERIA !!!!!!!
            I called you out. And you didn’t care for it while you were trashing the Dems, so you belittled and minimized what I said.
            Nice try, tho.
            ” A ” for effort.

    • William

      Holding yourself to a higher standard is also a good idea. Of course Republiclowns are laughing. They happily invite an admitted sex offender into the White House. Dems get rid of their unsavory individuals. GOP-ers embrace them. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1818005ba654a20d4a1bb19f994a1eb3cf7aa4026f7dcf22b0d5561e12b5a074.jpg

      • Jeffery Campbell

        And the GOP understands that there is NO PRICE TO PAY. At all. None. Zip.

    • Aaron Wise

      This is a new way forward.
      Republican women are going to flock to Democratic candidates forever and ever…amen.

  • SisterArtemis

    So, the one true upside I see to this resignation is that Franken will be more free to speak his mind, and to use his ascerbic wit in the process. His unedited take on Jeff Sessions alone would be wonderful to hear.

    • jowgajen

      I am hoping this is the silver lining.

      • Jeffery Campbell

        Don’t hold your breath.

    • AnneBonny

      The true upsides I see are that allegations of harassment and assault are now being addressed seriously by one of our two national parties, and that a woman is replacing an ass-grabber.

      I liked Franken a lot but will definitely change the channel if I ever see/hear him pontificating on things.

      • SisterArtemis

        You are right that “allegations of harassment and assault are now being addressed seriously by one of our two national parties” but I think that was happening with or without Franken’s resignation.

        For my part, I won’t be changing the channel on him – though I’m not trying to argue you shouldn’t – because I think he’s grappling with his own behavior in ways that few men in public are, and because of his take on things is valuable to me. I think he may be able to model what men in power should do when called on their b.s.

        • AnneBonny

          Without Franken’s resignation, it wouldn’t be happening, because it would mean there was a Democratic Senator with multiple credible harassment allegations.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            Define credible please.

        • AnneBonny

          Wait how is he grappling with his behavior? In his resignation speech he said he didn’t do anything.

          • SisterArtemis

            I didn’t read it that way. I think he didn’t admit – on the record – absolute guilt. That’s probably a legal calculation, which might be callous on the face of it, but it is smart. As this story was unfolding, he admitted to poor judgment, poor behavior, and looking back on past actions with regret and shame. Now he’s stepping down, and I think he knows it’s not over yet.

            Franken is probably being honest when he says that his memories of what happened are different – I think most men wouldn’t harass or grab women if they understood in the moment what it’s like to be on the receiving end of that stuff. He did not say he was not guilty, though I suspect he realizes that in at least some of the cases, he is.

          • AnneBonny

            “I also think it gave some people the false impression that I was admitting to doing things that, in fact, I haven’t done. Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others, I remember very differently.”

            He later emphasizes he has done nothing “as a Senator” to dishonor the institution, which is interesting because a lot of the alleged incidents took place before he was a Senator.

          • Marceline

            Yeah, I see people jumping on him for saying that he remembers things differently but that is the reality of human behavior. I’ve remembered perfectly pleasant events differently from friends and family. Human memory is malleable.

            This is another example of what I meant when I said that I find the conversations being had around this as too simplistic.

          • AnneBonny

            I’m not jumping on him, but a lot of people are under the impression he’s confessed, when he has not. You can take that as a pro or a con on him, but it’s worth correcting a misconception.

      • miss_grundy

        I won’t. I will listen to every interview. It will be interesting to see if any reporter will follow up on the anonymous accusers and those charges.

      • kathyseivers

        Pathetic.

        • AnneBonny

          Um, ok.

    • Aaron Wise

      No doubt.
      Maybe he can grab Kellyanne’s snatch on live teevee.

  • Pluto Animus

    How many thousands of progressive young men who have stolen a kiss or two have now decided never to enter public service?

    We will never know.

    • Shan

      Maybe thousands of progressive women who don’t get hounded out by harassment will enter public service instead.

      • Pluto Animus

        One can only wish.

      • King Beauregard

        This. For every progressive man who is okay with ramming his tongue down a woman’s throat without consent, there have to be at least two progressive women who can explain why that’s wrong.

        • Shan

          Kindergarteners can explain why that’s wrong.

          • Msgr_MΩment

            Cooties?

        • House0fTheBlueLights

          Quit with the “progressive.” That’s how we got here. #yesallmen and #metoo, and it’s got no red hat or blue hat.

    • AnneBonny

      I hope all of them!

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      How many thousands of ALL women got hounded, shamed, or just decided the fight wasn’t worth it and gave up their careers wherever? How many working class women are still putting up with this shit because they have no place to go? Just FUCKING lay off today.

    • Rebelle Onion
      • Shan

        Yup.

    • Hesster

      Or maybe more men will think twice before forcing themselves on women who don’t want their attention.

      It makes me really angry that some people seem to think it’s OK behavior to do this. “Stealing a kiss” and “grabbing them by the pussy” are different only by degrees. It smacks of “I don’t need to ask, I can just take because I’m a man and I want to and it doesn’t matter what she wants.”

      • Rok E Raccoon

        Yah, I’m gonna say ”stealing a kiss” and ”grabbing a pussy” are 179 degrees different. Not exactly Polar opposites, but very close. Not even apples and oranges, because they are both fruit. More like an apple and a hand grenade.

        • Hesster

          And why do you think so? Both involve invading someone’s personal space and doing something they may or may not like to them without asking first.

          So yeah, it is along the same line. Pussy grabbing is further along the line, but both spring from the idea many men have that they are owed access to a woman’s body without having to ask what the woman thinks about it first.

        • Shan

          Have you had both things happen? I have. And they’re NOT so many degrees different for me. You might be trying to say that getting your genitals randomly grabbed is orders of magnitude worse than a “stolen kiss” but even if you HAVE had those things happen, it’s not for you to tell anyone else how they should feel about it. Personally, the random grab through clothes is a lot less disgusting than someone putting their nasty wet mouth anywhere on me.

          Hesster below is right. Those actions come from the same place of feeling entitled to someone else’s body. People who have had it happen to them, often repeatedly since childhood, don’t have the intellectual luxury of being able to stop and differentiate the reactions they’re supposed to have.

          • Rok E Raccoon

            I’m sorry, I was only expressing how I feel about the two distinct acts, didn’t mean to suggest everyone should feel the same way. Yes I have experienced both, and for me I thought the south of the border grab was way worse. I must confess that through inexperience, clumsiness, misreading signals, and over use of alcohol I have in my past kissed women before, only to discover it was unwanted. I’d like to think I learned from those experiences and have spent the remainder of my adult life trying not to repeat those mistakes. I can assure you though I’ve never felt entitled to someones else’s body and have way too much respect for women to ever even think about copping a cheap feel.. I’d like to think I’m one of the good guys

          • Shan

            Oh, FFS. Who DOESN’T think they’re one of the good guys?

      • Jeffery Campbell

        It does vary by degrees. It just does.

  • Rotisserie Teal

    “Mixed feelings”?

    No, my feelings are disgust and revulsion at the Democratic party and all who pushed for Al to resign. I am wholly disappointed in Franken’s decision to capitulate. I thought I’d sent money (twice) to a man who would FIGHT the good fight against all comers, not cower in the face pressure from anyone. I am sad and more than a little ashamed that this is what the Democratic party now is.
    Chuck Shumer is an ineffectual coward. Yeah, good luck with that whole “moral high ground” approach to getting people elected in a country where 60+ million people voted for a an “admitted” sexual predator. Not just in Alabama but in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Yeah, because America just loves a ‘quitter’. Not only did we leave a soldier on the battlefield, we shot him in the back ourselves.

    What a terrible fucking day.

    Mr Cohen, please play us out….

    Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
    Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
    Everybody knows the war is over
    Everybody knows the good guys lost
    Everybody knows the fight was fixed
    The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
    That’s how it goes
    Everybody knows

    • Moar Wordz

      I think there may be a few, just a couple here and there, of Rap Superstars who might, maybe if they were feelin’ Ya, (which they probably won’t) giggle just a teeny bit all the way to the bank.

  • Peripatetic Poltroon

    Is it possible to rehab someone in this state, and if so, how? Obviously, fessing up & apologizing is a necessary first step. Please note that I am in no way condoning Franken’s behavior.

    • Shan

      What do you mean by rehab?

      • AnneBonny

        Replacing a dude with a woman is my new favorite form of rehab.

        • Grokenstein

          Someone like Kellyanne Conway, maybe?
          Or Michele Bachmann?
          Got a whole list here…

          • Rotisserie Teal

            Well said.

          • AnneBonny

            I don’t think any of those women were VP of Planned Parenthood at any point, but way to trot out a zinger that no woman has ever heard before.

          • Grokenstein

            You’re the one basing your approval on genitalia.
            It’s a stupid idea regardless of the gender involved.

          • AnneBonny

            1) Women aren’t defined by genitalia.
            2) Eh, sure, you’re right about my argument. Kill all men. I’d rather just all of them be women, including the villains.

          • ahughes798

            I don’t care who gets his seat as long as it’s a liberal Democrat. Haaaaahaaaahaahahaha! Fuck…who am I kidding?

          • ahughes798

            You left out Lou Sarah!

    • Marceline

      That’s another part of the uncomfortable conversations we need to have. What’s next? This isn’t a Matt Lauer or a Kevin Spacey this is someone who was good for women. He backed policies good for women. He clearly treated his staff and coworkers well given how energetically they defended him. Is there a way for someone in his position to make amends?

      Mind you this isn’t me crying about “What will happen to poor Al?” It’s me going back to the position that we need a broader ranger of responses for a broader range of behaviors.

      • Jeffery Campbell

        That’s cute. You’re describing “nuance.” Also, no longer available.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Meanwhile, we still don’t have Joe Piscopo to kick around any more.

  • AnneBonny

    lmao at any so-called progressives wringing their hands over this. Are you worried we’ll run out of men??? I am not.

    (Hopeful, but not worried.)

  • King Beauregard

    So, about all these LYING WHORES making false accusations against Bill Cosby Louis CK Al Franken … why don’t any of them go after Obama? They sure don’t target the best figures they could.

    In fact, why is it that these LYING WHORES only go after guys who, when pressed, end up admitting that they did what they were accused of? What’s with these LYING WHORES anyway?

    • AnneBonny

      You know us whores, we’re too dumb to know how to lie good!

    • Moar Wordz

      Bwahaha ! You’re delightful.
      A self-avowed King no less !
      But Kingdom of what ?
      That is the question.

    • Moar Wordz

      Uhhhhhh, they didn’t want to be groped, fondled, or French kissed against their will, and without giving consent.

      • ltmcdies

        I could be wrong but the post above comes across as a pointed reference to two other comedians who’ve been accused of gross behavior.

        • Moar Wordz

          No, you’re not wrong, just making a moot point.
          I know Louis C.K and Cosby were accused of sexual predation.
          Louis C.K admitted it, and Cosby’s many, many accusers told nearly identical stories of being slipped narcotics and then RAPED.
          Perhaps your point isn’t moot, it just doesn’t make any sense to me.
          Are you agreeing that all three men’s accusers were [ sic ] ” Lying ” hoars ?

          • AnneBonny

            Sigh, okay. The point is that these women obviously aren’t lying, because if this were politically motivated they would pick other targets.

          • ltmcdies

            Cosby’s accusers particularly were called liars and “hoes” And aren’t we seeing some of that leveled a Frankens accusers now. Not so much here but other spots online

        • Shan

          Yeah.

      • Mary Ann Swissler

        Did you or anyone else think Franken arrogantly refused to accept that he did these things to women who reported? He was all humble until he mentioned his accusers: they weren’t telling the truth, he remembers instances differently. Total cop out

        • Jeffery Campbell

          Like his accusers, Mr. Franken also has a memory and his memories may differ.

    • Miles Monroe

      Looks like somebody has MOMMY ISSUES …

  • Hanaka

    I don’t believe in magic, but I also don’t know if anything will ever be enough for people to stop voting for the GOP.

    • amrak63

      The GOP’s base of orcs (and “base” they are, in the adjectival sense of the word) will back their Dark Lords to the hilt, as long as the DLs promise to stick it to the gawdless uppity intelekshuls, and the lazy criminal ni*CLANG*s and other dusky folks.

      My tribe consists largely of morons. I fart in their general direction.

    • Aaron Wise

      Hope and ethical behavior wins every time.

  • cheetojeebus

    Got a minute? Call Blake Farenthold and tell him to fucking resign already, btw he has yet to pay back the 84K. The weasley little dirtbag. (202) 225-7742

    • miss_grundy

      And a staff member will thank you for your comment, hang up the phone and fall off his/her chair laughing his/her butt off. Yeah, do that.

  • blarg

    As others have stated, if being on tape bragging about grabbing women’s pussies was not enough to prevent Republicans from voting for their guy, then I think nothing is. I’m not sure holding the high moral ground matters anymore to most republicans. They sneer at our “virtue.” They’re nihilists who only care about themselves and their money. Nothing else would explain Trump and Moore.

    • Rotisserie Teal

      Yes, and as is now evident, rolling over and quitting at just the accusation of wrongdoing is going to cost you Dem and independent votes as well.

      Lose/Lose

    • amrak63

      Not even money for many of them, because they have none to speak of. They just don’t care how many shit sandwiches they have to eat as long as the ni*CLANG*s don’t even have any bread, so they just have to eat shit.

      My tribe. They suck like the surface gravity of a neutron star.

  • gratuitous

    “Moral high ground.” Bwahahahaha! Cracks me up every time. “Oh, the moon won’t affect the tides and wipe out my sand castle because I have the moral high ground.” “Yeah, that shark bearing down on me with teeth bared looks pretty hungry, but luckily I have the moral high ground.”

    What. The. Actual. Fuck. Is anybody invoking the chimera of “moral high ground” thinking?

  • miss_grundy

    And the Republicans will be applauding and cheering as Pence swears in a serial pedophile in the Senate. Good job, purity ponies! We still have a pussy-grabber/purported rapist (as his ex-wife swore in a deposition)/sexual harasser in the Oval Office. But you do you!

    • Parakeetist

      Goddamn trash

  • William

    I’m actually surprised that anyone who identifies themselves as a republican is opening their yaps about anything remotely smacking of sexual harassment or assault. History will forever show that they are led by a three times married, four times bankrupt draft dodger who boasted about walking through the dressing room of half naked teen beauty contestants and stepping off a bus and bragging about sexually assaulting women. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e8534144347910babe211790fbb2da249b4a8aa1487daf7890b3bb380f47fa0.jpg

    • ((( Augustus )))

      some of us are like, “WE’LL NEVER WIN BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NO SCRUPLES,” which is true and fair enough, but, most people–people everywhere, around the world, throughout history–do have limits to how far they are willing to go for the sake of tribalism or comfort or convenience

      one day this all will come back around on them

      the only question is how many lives will literally be destroyed before that day of reckoning comes?

      keep fighting, keep uncovering fraud and corruption and avarice, keep shining sunlight on the disgusting parts of our society we’d rather not know existed

      WE CAN DO THIS!

      • William

        I hope you’re right, however please consider this. The GOP installed a man who lies publically and without shame or retraction. (Some 1600 plus times so far since swearing in). He brags about assaulting women. Calls them dogs and pigs. Insults a decorated war hero. Picks a fight with a gold star family. The list goes on and on. It’s so bad that we’ve actually forgotten all but the most egregious acts. So why did the GOP for him? Well at least he isn’t a woman or black huh?. Nothing will ever convince me otherwise.

        • ((( Augustus )))

          oh, it’s fucking disgusting and I hate every single day of it

          I just believe strongly that karma is real

          sometimes it just takes a while

          • William

            Lets hope it’s swift, just, and if it’s sorta’ funny, I’m ok with that as well

          • Jeffery Campbell

            Karma does not count unless I am there to pull the fucking levers.

          • unionthuggery

            That’s not how karma works, and I’m not too keen on hoping they get a shitty reincarnation in the next life, while watching them ruin everyone else’s life in this one.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    I just had a thought. We know that there are more, maybe lots more, allegations of sexual harassment goings-on in Congress. What if… the Democrats knew that the fewmets were about to hit the windmill on lots and lots of Republicans? And that the fewmets were all loaded into the trebuchet and ready for flinging? Strategery! Wouldn’t that be something?

    • SisterArtemis

      A move worthy of Nancy Pelosi and some of the other sage women in Congress, I might add.

    • BigCSouthside

      They will just deny and ride it out. They missed their opportunity to set precedent with ethics hearings

    • Rotisserie Teal

      So what if there were? What difference does it make? POTUS is on TAPE admitting to assault. It makes no difference to the GOP or to their mouth breathing supporters if ‘their guys’ are guilty of such behavior.

      Unless they vote to raise taxes or limit gun access, they are going to keep voting for them.

      • miss_grundy

        Those boneheads do not understand that the “tax cut” bill will actually raise their taxes while cutting it for the people who should actually pay more.

    • Tony Prost

      IOKIYAR

  • Aaron Wise

    Let’s hope we can get back to our winning ways, now that we have been cleansed of Al Franken.

    –Pelosi, Shumer and The DNC

  • Ernie

    My response to everyone, including Kirsten Gillibrand, that thinks Al Frankens resignation was a good thing: https://youtu.be/QaKj9iISQUE

    • AnneBonny

      Ok.

  • Unsaintific

    I posted this yesterday on another site:

    Ok, so the Democrats are as usual folding down and asking Franken to resign on the false belief Republicans will also stand up for morality to get the accused in their party to resign. Let them have their way and if it means Frankers resigns it’s alright.

    But only if Americans prove their moral values. The real moral test is for the voters. In the upcoming elections if a considerable majority vote for the republicans and not for the democrats then America as a country is over. If people choose to vote for a party that elevates pedophiles and sexual abusers like Roy Moore and Trump it’s all over for America. If they vote for the party that promised to drain the swamp then goes on to vote for a tax cut that benefits millionaires and billionaires and for their private jets and yachts while increasing the taxes for the middle-class and the poor, then this nation is screwed.

    If Americans choose to vote for the republicans in the upcoming elections, it only proves that the beginning of the end of America has started along with its moral standards.

    • Aaron Wise

      Since 2008

      Governors down 35%
      Senate down 10%
      House down 19%

      This ouster isn’t gonna help.

      Ethics is the last thing that voters care about.

    • Rotisserie Teal

      “started”? I’ve got some bad news for you about the horse that used to be in the barn.

    • AnneBonny

      Maybe they’re asking Franken to resign on the belief that there should be at least one major party that stops harboring gross harassers.

      • Jeffery Campbell

        I supposed it’s magical thinking to think that Democrats might benefit as a result.

    • Gee. I never knew we would have to politically benefit in order to do what is right.
      HUH.

  • amrak63

    GOP politicians are merely a symptom.

    The GOP Base is the disease.

  • Gayer Than Thou

    Darn it! I had something for this – something about how it sometimes feels like we’re still just doing politics through women’s bodies something something something. It sounded smart in my head in the car.

    • SisterArtemis

      I think I know where your head was headed, sort of .

      A month or two, I ran into a video of this Hillary Clinton flash mob (was pointed to the 3:10 mark, due to kneeling/hand over heart issues) paired with “Got this feeling in my body” – which got me going on this whole thought spiral about how so much of our hope in the 2016 election was about issues of the safety and integrity of our very bodies – reproductive rights, sexual harassment and assault, every aspect of Black Lives Matter, LGBTQetc, safety of immigrant families, food and poverty and security issues, on and on and on.

      Also, have not read it yet, but I’m told Ta-Nahesi Coates “Between the World and Me” also deals with the site of oppression being in the very bodies of certain groups of people, which is sort of where I first ran into this idea, seeing him interviewed on Chris Hayes or Joy Reid or some of the better MSNBC fare.

      • SisterArtemis

        oops, forgot the link to the video (warning: Justin Timberlake ahead!) in case you have interest; again, it was the 3:10 mark that I was pointed to, but the whole thing makes me want to boogie, while sobbing quietly about the election.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiCXnEWiXSw

      • Gayer Than Thou

        Yes – this kind of thing. At times, it feels like the conversation ends up being about how power gets reallocated among powerful men based on the way they have treated women’s bodies. And I know women are reframing the conversation in terms of their own physical autonomy, but I am not always sure I’m seeing concrete changes that would ensure that autonomy. Still made more sense in my head than it does here.

      • Ross Vachon

        ID Politics. Loser Politics. Talk about Race, Race, Race and the Republicans will win every time. The people you cited only appeal to latte NPR liberals. to get

        • SisterArtemis

          So you reply to me to dismiss me? fuck you.

  • William
    • Beelzebubba

      I sure do have some thoughts – where can I send them?

    • Jeffery Campbell

      Why, it’s as those “with votes” turned magically into “with FLAMING votes.” I knew there was a way to make this work.

    • miss_grundy

      He has made billions publishing right-wing lies to idiots. No thoughts or prayers.

  • William
  • Beelzebubba

    Al did us one last favor: showing the difference between how liberals treat sexual abusers (they get fired), and how conservatives treat them (they elect them to Congress and the Presidency.) This is a profound distinction, to which the wingnuts will never have a credible response.

    • amrak63

      Alas, they do. Their answer is “We don’t care, just so Our Boys punish them gawdless uppity intelekshuls and them damn lazy criminal ni*CLANG*s and Meskins!”

      Again, the GOP politicians and their wealthy owners (and the Right’s self-hating journalists, and self-hating intellectuals) are just the symptoms.

      The GOP base is the disease.

    • William
      • jesus christ that’s gross.

    • Duke

      Oh… “Credible” response. I was thinking “all those women are liars!” Sadly, it’s credible enough for some.

    • miss_grundy

      They don’t need to. They have their own propaganda network that spews lies 24/7/364 and people who believe them. And these people do not understand “profound distinction”.

      • Beelzebubba

        I don’t care about the deplorables – they’re a lost cause, and fuck them. Let ’em drool over Hannity and Alex Jones, and whoop it up at Trump’s “rallies”. They’re also about 25% of the electorate. There’s a huge majority who are paying attention to reality, and it’s becoming impossible for them to remain ‘undecided’. Fox “News” is losing viewers, which is a tremendously positive sign.

        • Shan

          Gods, I hope you’re right.

        • Ross Vachon

          78 percent of the American public lives paycheck to paycheck. The Deplorables are the economically disenfranchised. A group that in FDR’s time was the base of the Democratic Party.

    • covfefesumgame0005

      the thing is, Moore will STILL get selected and will be sitting in the Senate, and you can bet he will immediately be set up in committees and will vote however he is told to. meanwhile no matter who will be appointed to Al’s seat will limp along and be rolled over. so this is good how again?

    • this was the entire point.

    • unionthuggery

      They don’t need a credible response. Their base doesn’t demand it, and swing voters are notoriously short-sighted idiots with swiss cheese memories. But rest assured, “remember when senator Franken resigned for assaulting all those women”, will be fresh on the lips of every GOP campaign director, and Republican propagandist. The airwaves will be inundated with this come midterms, bought and paid for by rich donors out of their spare change jars flush with cash due to those fat tax cuts they’re getting. Anytime an opponent brings up accusations of molestation, pedophilia, or any other horrible sexual misconduct, they’ll just trot out an edited clip of this resignation so they can say, “waddabout Franken!!1!1!!”

      This was purely an exercise in moral superiority. While it’s nice to have principles, and good to demonstrate them as virtues, let’s not pretend that it will in anyway transition into victory.

    • Mutaman

      You needed Al to explain that to you?

  • nightmoth

    “The Democrats are eliminating their stains, while the Republicans are endorsing theirs. You have to believe in magic to think this is going to end well for Republicans.”

    I don’t believe in magic, but I do believe in history, and it seems to me that every time the Democrats take the high road, they fall off a cliff.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      You are EXACTLY right. I enjoy moral superiority as much as the next fella, but the Republicans are going to rat-fuck us every time. EVERY. TIME. I can imagine a scenario where we get back in power, and because we know we should try to act in a responsible bipartisan way, we do that. When we do, the Republicans will take advantage of us. I want us governed in just and responsible way. It is never going to happen with the Republican party so I say FUCK THEM ALL. We need to be as ruthless as they.

      Al Franken should have stood up there and said I’ll resign over this just as soon as Fucking Donald Trump does, dropped the mic and gone back to his senate office.

      • Shan

        Part of me wishes he had done that.

        • eyelashviper

          All of me wishes he had.

          • Shan

            Yes, well, maybe we feel differently because we have different parts or have parts that weren’t molested, assaulted, harassed, or used against us to derail our lives or careers.

            I’m just not really feeling very sorry for any particular dude who some folks around here like to claim got caught up in the “#metoo -er hysteria” even though I would have liked it if he could have stayed in his job.

            There are so many victims of harassment whose stories of job-loss or career derailment we will NEVER HEAR. Even ones who, like we keep hearing about Franken, could have done “us” some good.

          • Mutaman

            Such nonsense. The end justifies the means and whataboutery is not much of an argument. I’m sorry for the millions of women who have been fucked over during the past 50 years, I know a few, but that has nothing to do with Franken.

      • Marceline

        I was hoping he’d announce he was switching parties.

        “Hey Republicans, I’m YOUR problem now.”

    • mt2099

      I’m pretty sure the Dems would not have taken the high road if Franken had been from a state with a GOP governor.

    • King Beauregard

      The off-a-cliff-falling is always on Election Day, which is to say, it’s the VOTERS who point the bus right at a cliff and floor it.

      So the question is, come 2020 (when Franken’s / Smith’s seat is up again), will fewer voters turn out to vote Democratic because Franken is no longer there? I guess I’m not seeing it.

      • Do you not know? It is ALWAYS the Dems fault. It is never voter apathy, or voter suppression, or GOP rat fuckery. Even in red state alafuckin bama if Roy wins, there will be a billion articles on how the Dems are failing to reach the common man.

      • nightmoth

        Fingers crossed. I think Franken didn’t win by much to begin with. Hope the state goes Democratic again and does it by a larger margin.

        • ahughes798

          He won his first election by around 325 votes.

    • Ross Vachon

      If the Democrats had been really dumb and nominated Franken for POTUS – it wouldn’t have turned out well for the Democrats. Most of America was as grossed out by Al Franken as Leeann Tweedon was before we all learned what a perv he is.

      • Sure.
        If america can not be grossed out by Trump, anything goes. Hey, sparky, in case you did not notice, most the country, even those who voted for your boy, find him horrible. You assholes are going down so hard your whine will be epic.

  • Resistor Radio
  • Al went out so others can pick up where he left off. He will continue to work behind the scenes most likely, he’s still got passion for this and good work to do. Now he is no longer the both sides do it, and the press cannot focus on that.
    Will it work? Probably not. But it’s valiant and he is right and I respect him for it even if it makes me sad.
    Everyone else, remember kindergarten: Keep your hands to yourself.

  • Lucas Foxx

    Oh my stars and garters. I guess Al Frankin should get the death penalty for running around greeting people by kissing them on lips like my grandmother always did. LOCK HIM UP! PUT HIS HEAD ON A PIKE! CUT OFF HIS DICK! We can’t have nice things. Wonder if Norm Coleman wants his Senate seat back. I give up. Fuck us all. Let Russia win. I don’t care anymore. Fuck it.

    • Yes. It is precisely the same thing and no difference between getting the death penalty and resigning from the Senate to work elsewhere.
      No difference at all.

      • Lucas Foxx

        Why stop there? HUNT HIM TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!!1!!

    • Ross Vachon

      Groping, assaulting with his “wet and slimy lips” (Leeann Tweedon), handling rejection like a fucking creepazoid, humiliating, grossing out God knows how many women, yeah this guy’s a real saint.

      • Lucas Foxx

        Grandma kisses are gross. It’s definitely an unwelcome assault. Not sure its sexual. Seems like old europeans do that alot. Not my culture. So, I don’t know. I’m sure some of his SNL comedy was criminal. Not sure about the greeting kisses.

      • Again, says the guy who supports Moore and Trump. And I am sure somewhere in his history, we’ll find some Hastert was set up stuff.

    • Marceline

      Your hyperbole aside, the Russia/Roger Stone angle really worries me. Franken nailed Sessions on his perjury and I feel like the Dems handed Putin/Stone a really powerful weapon by doing an end run around the ethics investigation.

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    My feelings on this one are mixed, but oh well.

    On the one hand, there was clearly Republican ratfucking involved in the timing (the scandal had obviously been kept on tap till needed, and it turned out that it was needed right after that Washington Post expose of Roy Moore began to do real damage). And perhaps some of the allegations were disingenuous or even untrue. I don’t know. I suppose it’s possible that from a God’s-eye view, Franken never did anything worse than act like a bit of a schmuck, trying to be a cut-up and being merely crude. I suppose. I don’t know.

    On the other hand, done is done: and if a lesson can be learned from it, and some momentum gathered going forward in this terrifyingly uncertain time, as the Republican Party lurches surprisingly swiftly into the territory of full-on fascism, then even if a (relatively) innocent man has had to sacrifice what had been a promising political career, maybe something good still comes of it.

    The fact is, the Republicans were following the old Karl Rove playbook here—Rove’s rule is to hit your enemy, not where he’s weak, but where he’s strong. Democrats claim to be strong on women’s issues, so that’s where Republicans targeted this hit. (And again: I’m not exonerating Al Franken, or calling women liars, or anything: I’m talking about the simple facts about how this accusation came to light and its impact in the press: you can’t deny the stuff about Roger Stone and that woman who was a regular guest on Sean Hannity’s show, and you can’t deny the fact that the minute the political press got hold of this one, they changed the narrative respecting both Roy Moore and Donald Trump).

    The way forward for Democrats is to retake that strength: to retake a strong stand—even stronger than before—- on women’s issues, which include issues of sexual justice but also issues like the safety net, a strong commitment to public education, environmental protections, progressive taxation, etc.

    If the filthy Republicans are going to hit Democrats for being strong on progressive issues, that means Republicans are genuinely afraid of the strength and appeal of progressive issues.

    Thus if Democrats can exploit that fear—double down, instead of falling back—then something good will have come out of this whole, vile, sad, toxic little moment.

  • covfefesumgame0005

    one stupid photo of NOT groping a woman who was awake and going along with the :”joke”! sheesh, and you force a good guy out of office and leave the pussy-grabber in fucking charge.

  • EER

    Rope-a-dope. Dems fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Get rid of your best legislators, and…….what…….we’ll do the same? Came to a rock fight with marshmallows.

  • Ross Vachon

    Al Franken, *The Peter Principle at work. In Hunter Thompson’s redolent Itwist “The Scum Also Rises”. Even before he was stunned by *They​I have no Harvey Effect, the country at large wasn’t terribly smitten with his brand of obnoxious idiocy. And, for those gormless acolytes of the poisonous toad, drown your bitter tears in Hillary’s sodden Chardonnay, for we got a good look at that incriminating photograph too. And, we saw a creep whose hatred of women began in the 6th grade, and it’s only gotten more malignant over time. Thank you, Leeann Tweedon! Thanks to all the good and truly brave women who felled another giant (sic), another sexual harasser, another Tartuffe.

    • Ducksworthy

      You’re still here Ross? I thought the Roy Moore Fake Moral Outrage Campaign quit paying you. Are your pals at Breitbart picking up the tab now? Putin?

    • Smoke O’Hontas

      Hi, you window liking tool! Fuck right on off.

    • Says the dude who supports a serial predator and a pedophile so….
      Grains of salt are oceanic.

    • speaking as a woman, me personally i can’t wait til roy moore gets what’s coming to a creep whose predation of woman began when his victims were in the 6th grade.

      oh wait! sorry! my bad! republican family values celebrate that pedophilia shit.

      carry on.

      • Mutaman

        Moore will not only win, but a year from now when they go after a liberal senator from a state with a Republican governor, Moore will go on Hannity and condemn the horrible alleged actions of that senator.

    • CaliCheeseSucks

      Go back to Fartbarf, loser.

  • shivaskeeper

    Here’s my thoughts on this. FWIW.

    I’m not happy Franken is resigning. Not because I don’t believe the women involved, but because I think due process should always be the rule, High profile people being judged by social media and mob rule is not what we should be advocating for. Ever. Allegations, by named accusers, should always be investigated. Because he is stepping down the ethics investigation in Congress stops the second he is out of office. That is too bad. This, like all such cases, should be judged on it’s own merits.

    I know why he had to step down and it’s because perception=reality far more often than it should. It sucks, but that’s the way it is. It’s the way it’s always been and it’s the way it will always likely be. If this was not so, there would be no need to craft or spin a message to alter the perception of anyone or anything. Was there political fuckery going on with the Dems to push him out? Of course there was. But he was going to hurt the party no matter what because of the perception that he was in the wrong.

    Socially and politically, if this was a ratfucking, and there is a chance it was at least partially a ratfucking, the worst thing that can happen is some of the women either coming forward and stating they lied or being found out that they lied, exaggerated their claims, or were politically motivated. Not worst from Franken’s perspective, although that would be bad, but worst from a perspective of the narrative that will be screamed out from the right that we can not trust accusers. The bitches be lying will be the dominate narrative. We will be back to square one all over again. Cernovich is already claiming old Tweets can’t be used against anyone over the whole Seder shitshow with MSNBC. If he can get someone fired for false out of context accusations, then anything he has said in the past will be out of false out of context accusations. It does not matter if the accusations are true at that point. Perception=reality. All that has to be done is cast enough doubt on the accusers. This is going to be the digital version of looking into a woman’s past relationships or questioning what she was wearing.

    Now with all that being said: Going low vice going high. I have seen far, far to many calls to ignore anything Franken may or may not have done in the interest of politics. Too hound Moore, and Farenhold, and Barton instead since they were worse. This is so fucking past stupid as to be a stupid singularity. This is not a contest to see who’s got the bigger scumbags in their midst, or which victims may or may not have had it worse. Ignoring this shit for partisan political reasons is different from the GOPers support of Moore how exactly? Because this is a less serious accusation than Moore’s? Wrong. So wrong. If you are willing to adopt the tactics of your enemies to win, you will become them in the end. History shows this over and over again. The GOPers did not just start being willing to support a likely child molester overnight in a vacuum. This is the result of them selling out their principles for power. For selling out their morals for partisan gain. History shows this over and over again. To think that we will be immune because we are willing to sell out for the right reasons is stupid and unrealistic

    • SisterArtemis

      So much on the mark there, Shivaskeeper. But your last paragraph in particular!

    • SisterArtemis

      So much on the mark there, Shivaskeeper. But your last paragraph in particular!

      • shivaskeeper

        Thank you. It was kind of stream of consciousness and after I hit post and looked at I thought, “fuck, that is too long”.

    • Ms.MLG on Maui

      You really are a jewel.

      • shivaskeeper

        Not really. But thank you.

      • pstokk

        I like shiva’s arguments and approach even when I disagree with him. (In this case I agree.) I find myself saying “yeah, that the ticket, well said. Oh wait a minute, I don’t actually agree with you, wtf.” That’s what I call some persuasive non-commenting.

    • jrzy78 .

      These are my thoughts, I just can’t help thinking that some of these accusations were not valid and may have been set up to take down a true progressive fighter. I understand why Franken resigned and I really give him credit for taking the fall for the party but something about it just doesn’t seem right.

    • ahughes798

      Going high lost us the Senate, House, and White House. How’s that working out for us?

      • shivaskeeper

        Lost us the White House? The Seante and House too? There were no other factors involved?

        Doing what is right, and having the integrity to do it, is simply this: Doing the right thing even when no one is looking. Doing the hard right, even if no one will ever know you did the easy wrong. It’s doing the right thing with no expectation of reward, not even so much as an “attaboy”.

        What is your suggestion? Adopt their tactics? Go low at all times? Some of the time? Destroy the village to save the village? Become them to beat them? In that case we may as well stop fighting them if we are willing to become them.

        I never, not once, said we don’t fight. Not once did I say we should not give our all. Just not adopt their tactics. There is no way to stop us becoming them if we do that. Doing the wrong shit for the right reasons ends up with us being exactly them sooner or later.

        • ahughes798

          Our tactics are NOT WORKING. You don’t come to a gun fight armed with a stick.

          • Shan

            How about coming to a shit-slinging fight armed with a water hose?

          • ahughes798

            Or armed with bigger, better shit.

          • Shan

            Nope.

          • Old Man Yells at Cloud

            That would be a good thing to have so that you could eliminate the BS and get to the truth unlike what happened to Franken since he was forced to resign before the hearing he had requested.

          • Kooolest G

            I remember about ten years ago both Elliot Spitzer and David Vitter both got caught hiring prostitutes. Spitzer resigned immediately, depriving America of the one watchdog who saw he economic collapse coming and tried to stop it. Vitter kept his seat for another ten years, crafting laws to control women’s bodies and fuck the poor. But we sure showed them didn’t we? Shaming the other side only works when the other side actually is capable of having any shame.

          • Spitzer would never have been elected by the left.
            We do not elect this sort of person.
            He did the right thing

          • shivaskeeper

            Adopting their tactics makes us them. If we are willing to abandon what we are supposed to hold dear to win then we lose. There is no other outcome to that.

            Tactics can be changed. Adopting what you are fighting to beat what you ate fighting is not the right way to change them.

            Here is a thought exercise.

            I spent over two decades in the Army. War was my profession. I spent just under four and half years in shooting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I know that if the enemy ever captured me I was going to be tortured. For information, or just for fun. Because it’s what they did. Does that make it ok for me to torture one of them if I capture them? Why or why not?

          • ahughes798

            We’ve already tortured captives, so the answer must be it’s okay, because the military is doing it, right? The Democratic Party hasn’t been a party of the people for years, and they spent a lot of energy and money proving their moral superiority by losing elections and getting a progressive Senator to resign. Expect more progressives to be forced to leave by the party. The knives are out. Except they won’t be used on Republicans.

          • shivaskeeper

            And that is where you are wrong. Torture is not and was not ok. An administration decided it was. As soon as they authorized it they put a stain on our honor that is still not healed. That turned us into what we were supposed to be fighting against. That stain lost, and continues to lose, us trust throughout the world.

            Adopting the worst of your enemy’s tactics make you the enemy. Period. Full stop.

            If the Dems aren’t the party of the people, who is?

          • ahughes798

            I don’t know any more. I really don’t.

          • shivaskeeper

            Comic book superhero bullshit. But there is more than a little truth to this.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/30c1a8d031103f3cd8da7d463bfa9a1bc93ef674553f6098e16be3d75f2a5dce.jpg

          • ryp

            Of course that kind of attitude is easier to get away with when you are Captain America.

          • shivaskeeper

            Didn’t say it was easy. Just said there was some truth to it.

          • Old Man Yells at Cloud

            I was not in the military, but I fail to see the equivalence of waiting for a hearing to establish the facts and torture. This was a rush to judgment without the evidence being examined and that is what I am objecting to.

          • shivaskeeper

            Right is right. Wrong is wrong. That is the only applicable equivalence.

        • Shan

          “Doing the right thing even when no one is looking. Doing the hard right, even if no one will ever know you did the easy wrong. It’s doing the right thing with no expectation of reward, not even so much as an “attaboy”.”

          That’s what my mama taught me. Almost word for word.

          • shivaskeeper

            My first 1SG told me that.

          • Shan

            I can’t even remember the situation that prompted it, can you?

            I remember the one where she taught me about tne futility and inherent insult of lying, though. I was about 8 or so, left at home for the day (I was what is now known as a “free range” kid). My mom had baked a tray of turnovers that morning before leaving for work and told me not to eat any (yes, I know, bad idea, Mom).

            I ate one, of course. In order to disguise my misdeed, I rearranged them on the baking sheet. As if my mom couldn’t count. Which she did when she got home.

            Mom: Tnere’s one missing. What happened to it?
            Me: …it fell on the floor.
            Mom: And then what?
            Me…I threw it in the trash?
            Mom: Let’s look in the trash for it.
            Me: (panicking) I took the trash out!
            Mom: Let’s check the bins outside, then.
            Me: THE GARBAGE MEN TOOK IT!!!
            Mom: It’s not garbage day.
            Me: …

            I love my mom.

          • shivaskeeper

            I got caught doing some minor dumb shit and cutting corners. After he told me that he told me to get out of his sight for the rest of the day because I disappointed him. That I should have been better than that.

            It stuck with me from then and still sticks now.

      • Ya know….
        I’d rather lose a hundred times than actually become Republicans and give credit to the both sides do it.
        Maybe we won’t be able to eat off that plate, but I sure as shit won’t loathe myself.

        • ahughes798

          It won’t matter. If the Republicans continue to win, we’ll all be dead, anyway.

          • Mike Minden

            Bingo. This isn’t a game. This is literally becoming a matter of life and death.

      • Old Man Yells at Cloud

        But we get to enjoy our moral purity while getting kicked in the head by the Republicans.

    • EER

      you lost me at “low vice going high” and as soon as I typed my question to you, I understood it.

      • shivaskeeper

        Vice instead of vs is an old habit from my previous professional life. I doubt I will ever stop using it as it is too ingrained and there is no reason to since it is a legitimate use of the word. Vice is Latin for “instead of/in place of”.

    • thanks. so well said. and i’m too tired to do it.

    • Mike Minden

      While you raise some good points, you totally lose me when you try to draw a moral equivalency between Franken’s misdeeds and Moore’s.

      • shivaskeeper

        I did not. Read it again.

        I specifically said each should be judged on it’s own merits. Merits as in legal merits.

        I very specifically said drawing a moral equivalency is the wrong thing to do. That was the whole point of the last paragraph. Ignoring and overlooking our faults because theirs are worse is not drawing a moral equivalency.

  • EER

    Let me be clear, I was expressing my comment from Repub point of view. We had a senator who was supportive of women’s rights, opposed to the legislation proposed by Republicans, and he, after all the good he has done, is targeted as some sort of enemy? Dems were played. Sessions still has his panties in a bunch because, skillfully, and with no malice, Franken made him go into the briar patch.

    A smart person in Congress is hard to come by. I swear, by accident, the Democratic Party found one and, what does he get?

    • King Beauregard

      Grabby, that’s what!

      • EER

        Are you an adult?

      • Um. From what I’ve read, the most recent incident was seven years ago. Nothing about him groping passersby in the halls of Congress….

        • ahughes798

          I know, right? Before he was a Senator.

  • I’m really sick of the “Dems take the high road, but don’t hold the GOP to the same standards” bullshit. They are CREATING the new standards. And, yes, it sucks that we lose our best fighters in the “war”… but that’s what happens… and you don’t NOT do the right thing just because your opponents are gross assholes. You continue to do the right thing, or you become just as wrong as your opponents. Does it have a tainted air of superiority? Maybe… but that goes with the territory of actually doing the right thing. Oh fucking well. You don’t want us to be smug? Raise your own fucking bar, RWNJs.

  • (Hopefully you can sense the sarcasm)

    Dear Senator Gillibrand:

    Congratulations!

    You have successfully rid the Senate of that notorious serial groper and sexual deviant Al Franken!

    No longer will the women (and men too, presumably) of those august halls live in abject fear of running into someone who stood accused of being a little too “hands on” during photo ops over seven years ago! Even though his current staff and former co-workers have no ill to speak of him, being a former “dirty old man” makes one obviously unsuitable for even the smallest role in the Federal Government!

    You can take pride in knowing that you have done your country a great service. Even though Mr. Franken was one of the sharpest interrogators in Senate hearings and a bastion of feminist and Democratic principles, one has to draw a line!

    While you may be tempted to consider this a job well done and look forward to a relaxing holiday season, I urge that you do not put your weapons away just yet.

    Infamous child molester and general creep Roy Moore just might be sent by the people of Alabama to represent them in the same Senate that you have just finished purging. Be ready to lead the charge against him should it prove necessary!

    And then, keep your Sword of Righteousness at hand! Consider these bouts as training for the biggest target: the self-confessed “Pussygrabber-in-Chief” Donald Trump. Surely, if Franken had to go, Trump should be shown the door, too?

    Yours,

    A Constituent

    p.s. Get ready to help with a campaign, too! A Senate seat in safe Democratic hands through 2020 is now going to be up for grabs next year!

    • Moar Wordz

      “A Little Too Hands on ? ”
      He was grabbing ass like he’d just been kicked out of seminary school !
      Downplaying sexual predation won’t win you any favors here.
      No one accused him of not being a keen legislator for feminism ! No one denied his staff respected him, except for perhaps some swept – under – the – rug files in HR, (what – what ?!? )
      He couldn’t watch his hands and the public, especially women, called him on it.
      Why is making excuses for him your M.O ?

      • ahughes798

        How are you SO certain he wasn’t set up? How do you know his anonymous accusers weren’t lying, or paid to do so?

        • Because he stepped down rather then fight.
          I do not know if you ever noticed, but Al is a fighter. Were it nothing I am pretty confident he would have fought.
          Was it horrible no plus worse than moore? Hell no.
          He will continue to do good. He made his choice and I support him.

          • Margling53

            He stepped down after taking very bad political advice that erroneously told him it would be better not to suggest that women (oh my god, our precious women), that women just might, maybe, possibly could lie. Having been a member of the female persuasion for many, many years, I can say with absolute certainty that women lie quite frequently. Poor Al was trying to be a gentleman. But there are no rewards for being either gentle or a man these days.

          • Bangkok Taxi

            Well said. Really well said.

        • AnneBonny

          Because that’s not a thing that happens that much, and is very unlikely based on the number of accusers and what we know about them.

        • Moar Wordz

          Because I don’t believe in dubious conspiracy theories regarding Franken.
          Why don’t you share yours as I have no idea what field you’re batting from.

          • ahughes798

            I think he was set up. The one picture of him pretending to grope the Playboy Bunny was a staged shot, according to his minder and several other witnessess. The photos of the other women Franken allegedly groped do not show him groping anything, and the women are smiling broadly in the pictures. The other women who have come forward have made accusations with no substantiation. And let us not forget, Gillibrand got a potential rival eliminated.

      • Tiny kaiju

        WHAT?! Granted I haven’t been following too closely, but were there more than 3 accusers? One with a photo that was staged according to the photographer, one who was either full of shit or used to smiling with a strangers hand her ass. I dont’ know who the third was and I dont’ fucking care. Why are these people (and I really thought Gillabrand was smarter than this) are screaming for Roy Moore to quit his senate race, all the other slimy creeps the congresswomen and female staffers evidently know by name to quit, apologize or even fucking acknowledge there is a problem and they contributed to it.
        Franken’s staff defended him. Fuck it, there is way too much involved with whole thing to vomit it up here. Sorry for flying up your ass personally, but your analogy is so far off the mark it’s sad.

        • Bangkok Taxi
        • Old Man Yells at Cloud

          Gillibrand doesn’t give a crap whether Franken is an ass grabber or not. She used this as a way to eliminate Franken from the 2020 primaries. The irony of this will be that if she becomes the front runner there will suddenly be allegations about her.

        • Moar Wordz

          There were more accusers than three in Franken’s history. I’m quoting what you wrote in you’re response to me :
          ” Why are all these people/ are screaming for for Roy Moore to quit his Senate race…. ” It took me a while to understand that sentence as it was grammatically incorrect , but you appear to be defending Moore. That’s sad to me.

          • Tiny kaiju

            Rage trance. It happens. I also still disagree with you, but we’ll leave it at that.

      • Bangkok Taxi

        He was accused. Must mean its true.
        At least to you.

        • AnneBonny

          Right I forgot! No men should ever experience consequences for assault outside the judicial system, which is notoriously cruel towards and biased against victims of harassment and assault, so everything should just stay the same forever! Roy Moore 4 Prez!

          • Bangkok Taxi

            What assault? Oh you mean the alleged “assault”that you assume happened because an accusation was made.
            Guilt by social media.

          • AnneBonny

            Right I forgot! No men should ever experience consequences for assault outside the judicial system, which is notoriously cruel towards and biased against victims of harassment and assault, so everything should just stay the same forever! Roy Moore 4 Prez!

            (I’ll just keep saying it since you don’t actually have a response.)

      • Old Man Yells at Cloud

        Accused is not the same as guilty unless you are Trump talking about the Central Park 5 who were proven innocent with DNA evidence. Without the hearings we will never know the truth. As a result, you will continue to believe that a serial ass grabber has been purged from the Senate and I will continue to not know if he was or not.

        • Mutaman

          I’d forgotten about the CP5. And even they had a trial. Pretty amazing how the media did absolutely no vetting of the accusers here.
          “The force of the #MeToo moment leaves no room for due process, or, indeed, for Franken’s own constituents to consider their choice.”

  • Bangkok Taxi

    Nice work purity pony left. Our Democratic hand ringers insist he go because Gabby “feels like” not all cozy and comfy about due process, and she and her cohorts want to believe or want us to believe that their disgusting ‘goodness’ will lead the way in DC. somehow as they stand frozen in confusion in the middle of the road sqaure in the signts of the Pubs trash truck.

    Absolute horseshit.

    • Moar Wordz

      So, you feel that Franken’s resignation was a result of ” purity pony ” left wringing their hands, and without due process to boot ?
      Franken was held accountable for his predation on women whom he met on the campaign trail. As a public servant, we expected better from him.
      He knew his credibility is in tatters.
      How is not wanting to be sexually harassed physically suddenly being a
      ” purity pony ? ” How is finding that unacceptable hand-wringing ?
      I know very few prudish Dems, but Republicans ? The conservative Brooks brother’s wearing, floral print dress , all modest with a big Easter hat donning , well it’s attack of the church brigade.

      • ahughes798

        No, he didn’t get due process. Most of his accusers are anonymous, one was in on the joke, and the other one didn’t look like she was being groped. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say this was orchestrated very carefully by the RNC, the women are lying(yes, women do lie), and the Purity Police, led by idiot Gillibrand, cost us an excellent Senator.

        • Moar Wordz

          Is there a special look women are supposed to have while being groped that 100 % confirms it really happened ?
          Hmmm. Maybe they froze, as most humans do when under threat.
          ” Orchestrated by the RNC ,” I wouldn’t put it past them.
          Yet Franken didn’t outright deny the accusations, he stated that he didn’t remember them

          • ahughes798

            Yeah, I think a look of extreme surprise or dismay would happen. Also, they’d probably make some kind of noise indicating surprise and dismay. Please. Nobody smiles like that when they’re being groped. I sure as hell didn’t. Franken denied some of his accusers. The other one he stated that “he remembered it differently” and the initial picture that caused so much outrage was a staged photo, according to many witnesses, including his minder, who was with him 24-7.

          • Moar Wordz

            I was groped by a manager while talking to some one else. My face remained pretty neutral. No wince, no mouth hanging open, no furrowed brow or recoiling instantly, tho’ certainly I’ve had that reaction too.
            The reason it remained neutral is because to survive in my profession, you can’t get flustered. You freeze, just like I said. Until a defense strategy becomes cognizant.
            When posing for a picture, smiling is what’s expected, and that’s exactly what she was doing.
            Did you have a stopwatch and were you standing behind them to ascertain the second his hand landed on her ass and how long exactly the smile stayed on her face ?
            Some one else on Wonkette mentioned the way Taylor Swift smiled for the camera while being groped by a man. Maybe you should Google that story for a different perspective.
            The initial picture you mention -of Franken air squeezing the actresses boobs ?
            She stated that she was asleep.
            So post a link of this so called staging if you think you have solid proof.

          • Moar Wordz

            O.K, he denied some of his accusers. I don’t know what newspaper, website, or magazine he was quoted in denying his accusers.
            I’m willing to consider the other side of the argument.
            I feel Republicans are greedy and sleezy, so a smear campaign isn’t off the table for me.

          • ahughes798

            I heard it on NPR yesterday. They were quoting him. I think everybody has a right to face their accusers(and maybe Franken has), but I haven’t heard anything about the other women he allegedly groped, what their names are, what their political affiliations are, etc. Which is why I’m extremely skeptical of some of the claims. *i* could say Al Franken groped me. Should I automatically be believed, just because I’m female? Like the woman who said she had a photo of him groping her breast. Unless her breast was located on her back, he was not.

      • Bangkok Taxi

        Yes I do.
        Held accountable? Hah.
        He stands accused by anonymous sources. The accusation are murky at best.
        Without an investigation and establishment of facts, what form of justice and accoutabikity do you propose this is?
        Hint: MOB.
        The Dems cave, seeking to reclaim their purity and supposed moral superioity by turning on their own, demanding the sacrifice of not investigated,with nof factual finding or substatiation, but merely accused, Al.

        Even the accusations he is accused of do not rise to the admitted predations of those now in office or standing to be elected

        Whether its murder or grabbing someones arse, accusation is simply that.
        Accusation.

        What credibility do we assign anonymous accusors? Further, even those accusors who have identified themselves we are to believe because…. they made an accusation? WTF?

        Credibility? Well we know a lot more about Franken as he is a public figure and has been for a long long time.
        What do we know about his accusors? Oh thats right, I forgot because they are ______ how dare we question them.

        • AnneBonny

          Many of the sources are non-anonymous and told people about the harassment at the time it happened. Like, fucking google this shit before you run your mouth.

        • Moar Wordz

          They’re not all anonymous sources, nor does the anonymity of some of those sources mean that they should be discredited. You wrote : ” Even the the accusations he is accused of do not rise to the admitted predations of those in office….”
          I argue that they do.
          You wrote : ” …sexual deviance and or incompetence seem to be a feature in Republicans, not a flaw. ”
          I don’t think incompetence is a ” feature, ” I think it’s flaw.
          You seem to take Franken’s accusations, and perhaps those leveled against Moore personally.
          Therefore, I surmise similar accusations have been made against you. Or that you’re a Men’s rights fanatic.

          • Bangkok Taxi

            I would argue that you have a tenuous grip on reality.

    • Old Man Yells at Cloud

      It wasn’t the purity pony, it was Gillibrand’s fear of Franken running in the primaries in 2020. She knows she would lose to him. She saw the opportunity to eliminate Franken from the competition and took it.

      • Bangkok Taxi

        Ah Grasshopper, you have become wise beyond your years. Now it is I who am your student . Humble greetings and salutations.

      • ryp

        There is no way Franken was going to run in the primary after the initial accusations, and given that there may be 20 people thinking about running there is no guarantee one or either of them would make it past Iowa if they both had decided to run.

        Gillibrand may be ambitious, and she may see this as an opportunity to grab a piece of the national spotlight, but then again if she were only about political advantage shecould have decided to play it safe, and avoid the blowback.

  • Jim

    Chickens came home to roost for that holier than thou smug hypocritical predatory creep. Won’t miss that ugly mug on tv and certainly not in the Senate

    • You mean intelligent sarcastic fellow who showed the republicans how god-awful they were on the regular?
      I’ll withhold judgment on his looks seeing as that is a personal thing

    • mcconnell?

      • Bangkok Taxi

        In his case it would be a flock of turkeys.

  • Shan

    I have a lot of conflicted thoughts about this but this article encapsulates a lot of them.

    Dear Al Franken: I’ll Miss You, But You Can’t Matter Anymore

    https://theestablishment.co/dear-al-franken-ill-miss-you-but-you-can-t-matter-anymore-f2f690672b4f

    • I disagree with the article because his guilt hasn’t been established which makes very legitimate concerns that this is the “Salem witch trials” all over again. The reaction of “no, no, I hope this famous guy didn’t do this” misses the point that you have the option to critically assess the degree and veracity of guilt.

      The article mentions that Al Franken should have confessed to these things, but the public is not mature enough to handle such confessions at the moment, so I’d have advised it to keep it wrapped up in the name of bigger goals “a la” primary colors.

      My opinion (and maybe I’ll change my mind about this):
      We have not always been a permission based culture. Watch nearly every movie and the man just kisses the woman when the time is right: That’s a pretty strong argument that men (which take a greater burden of risk for initiating relationships) are socialized that way. If sexual harrassment is defined by degree of discomfort, it’s between the victim and the harrasser to determine whether restitution is paid. Rape and sexual assault are other matters altogether.

      The article also makes it sound like anyone who has ever done anything wrong is some sort of “serial abuser.” I’m having trouble grappling with where feminism is going because while this article was compassionate, it seems like feminism has gone from something that’s pro-women and pro-equality to something that just wants to tear men down. Look at the hallelujahs and eagerness to jump the gun on all these accusations.

      At the very least, Franken deserved to go through a congressional hearing. I’m not saying don’t hear victims out, but don’t throw away justice as a result. Both sides deserve their say.

      • Shan

        *sigh*

        Both sides deserve their say?

        Victims have been asking for a say for HOW LONG? And already, after about the 20 minutes (relatively) of the #metoo movement, the conversation is being focused back onto protecting the abusers?

        I’m not saying Franken didn’t deserve an ethics investigation. I’m saying that every single person who was harassed or abused or raped deserved just as much fair treatment as we’re demanding for anyone who’s Ben accused.

        We’ve NEVER had that.

        • Bangkok Taxi

          The legal justice system in America is adversarial by nature.
          I dont mean to suggest it is perfect.
          Due process protects both sides, seeking justice.

          Being gleefully tolerant or advocating miscarriage or abrogation of justice/due process now, as a mental/emotional satisfaction or recompence for past percieved injustices may seem righteous emotionally but in actual practice is simply more injustice.

          Vengece is as it has always been, a poison drink.

          • Shan

            I don’t care right now. Lots of other victims don’t, either.

            It’s not vengeance. It’s a pendulum swing.

          • Bangkok Taxi

            You dont care about justice. Yes, I understand that. What you then care about-by default is vengence, and you think of it as justice. IMO

          • Shan

            Actually, no, fuck you.

          • Mutaman

            Eloquently put Robespierre.

          • Shan

            Actually, no, fuck you.

          • Bangkok Taxi

            Thanks i will pass.

          • Bangkok Taxi

            You dont care and a lot of other victims dont. I do care along with a lot of other innocent people who do not wish to be vitimized by your indiscriminate anger
            and the untruths it may compel you to support if not engage in, because of it.

          • Mutaman

            sounds like McCarthyism. End justifies the Means. Plus incredibly politically stupid.

      • Shan

        Thing is, tne author doesn’t need to know whether Franken’s guilt has been established. Because, as the headline says, it’s not about him any more. It’s about something else.

        • Bangkok Taxi

          Its about due process always and forever.

    • Bangkok Taxi
  • Ken Berry

    If there is an afterlife, George Orwell is screaming at Democrats. Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. Democrats view the Third Reich as a cautionary tale. Republicans are using it as a playbook. Now, every woman will be Hillary Clinton, the most awfulest liberal vampire harlot ever.

    • AnneBonny

      Why, how many asses did George Orwell grope?

    • Ken Berry

      The exact same number that Al Franken has been proven to grope. Not all women tell the truth. I have first-hand knowledge. I was accused of creating a hostile work environment after I objected to a woman receiving a promotion that was not published and not offered in competitive fashion. It was horseshit, and I received a five-figure settlement after an investigation. Which Al Franken DESERVES.

  • Rotisserie Teal

    So, for all the right wing “values voters” out there that are cackling with glee at AF’s resignation, I just want some clarification that “unwanted physical contact” with a women is still OK if you have an ultra sound wand and she’s pregnant and wants and abortion, right?

    • Bangkok Taxi

      Sexual deviency is a feature of the right, not a flaw.

  • ryp

    If Franken thought the accusations were all bullshit he wouldn’t be resigning. This was his choice, and maybe he’s the better man for it, but blaming his accusers or loss of support in the Senate is deflection.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      Where did Franken blame his accusers?

      • He didn’t. A few people here however…..
        But I chock that up to being upset, which is understandable right now.

      • ryp

        I never said he did, but there are those here that apparently do.

      • Bangkok Taxi

        Any questioning of an accuser is blame. Just read the comments here and you will be informed of such.

        No relubs called for Franken to resign.

        https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/the-most-mind-blowing-aspects-of-al-frankens-demise/

      • Ross Vachon

        The pervert’s apologists on this site victim blame and slut shame. They also call the Democratic Women Senators who called for weird Al to resign – “harpies” As if they were malicious females and not the thoughtful leaders they are. we

    • It was not his choice, he was pressured to do so by his party who were pandering to a public that’s trigger happy.

      • No, it was his choice. He could have chose to remain and fight.
        Dear lord, you guys are acting like we’re not talking about Al here. He is a fighter. He could have fought.
        For whatever reasons, probably good ones, he decided not to.
        We can at least respect him for that, right?

        • Of course, I respect him for everything.
          I don’t respect the people who called for his resignation without letting it go to an ethics committee.

          • Ross Vachon

            The poisonous toad is a bilious misogynist. If you respect him for that, you’re a POS who should be banned from this site.

          • I have no idea who the poisonous toad is, but yeah, let’s suppress free speech. You, my friend, are the dark side of feminism.

          • CaliCheeseSucks

            Ross is a Breitbarter. If any one is in line for a bannhammering, it’s gonna be him.

          • Ross Vachon

            Breitbart, give me a break. I contributed essays to Counterpunch when It actually had left wing cachet in ’03. Breitbart can be mildly amusing at times but I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life and the last time I voted it was for Kerry in ’04. I support Universal Health Care, pro-choice, more pay for working people, climate change, pay equity, gay rights, all the bedrock progressive causes save gun control because I don’t think gun control as it’s generally layed out by Democratic Legislators will solve the current wave of mass slayings. I may post occasionally on Breitbart but that’s it. I also post quite a bit on “Animal Rights” sites and I’m very close friends with Norman Finkelstein and narrated his online documentary on *The Goldstone Report, the U.N. directed examination of Israel’s war crimes against the Gazans in 2008-9. I’m producing a feature length documentary on the American Indian Casinos with Sundance funding. The good, the bad, and the wildly lugubrious. we

          • Ross Vachon

            Look at Franken. He belongs on a fetid lily pad squirting out venom. Leeann Tweedon was in a near panic to get his taste out of her mouth.

          • CaliCheeseSucks

            There are lots of people here who share the same view on Franken. Are you that sensitive that you think we should all be banned? Wow.

          • Ross Vachon

            What are you doing on what purports to be an edgy feminist site making apologies for a sickening little fraud who gropes, assaults, shoves his “wet and slimy lips” (Leeann Tweedon) down the throats of women who reject him, where the fuck do you get off building a monument than this lying little creep. Good men do not pay obeisance to Al Franken, Weinstein, Toback, Ratner, Wieseltier, O’Reilly, Louis C.K., Rose, Lauer, Halperin, Zimmerman, Dustin Hoffman, and all the other pos dickwads who’ve been ensnared in this righteous hunt. I have always respected and appreciated women not least for their ability to cut thru the grease to see the unseen, but no more so than now.

      • ahughes798

        And at least one of the harpies has presidential aspirations. So this was a political move on her part.

        • Bangkok Taxi

          Who dat?

          • ahughes798

            Gillibrand.

        • Old Man Yells at Cloud

          Can you blame Gillibrand? He would have clearly beaten her in the 2020 primaries if he ran. If you step back and disconnect, its kind of fascinating: The Republicans put party above nation and the Democrats put losing to Trump in 2020 ahead of party.

          It’s a mixed up muddled up shook up world
          except for Lola Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola

          • ahughes798

            If she runs, I’m sure as hell not voting for her now, and will discourage others to do the same.

          • Ross Vachon

            We’ll sure miss ya.

          • Ross Vachon

            Stay in your circle jerk, old-timer, you’re not fit for mixed company.

        • AnneBonny

          Wow.

        • Ross Vachon

          “Harpies”. Why not use the C word to describe your true feelings?. The truth is Franken was a loser whereas at least Gillibrand is a viable candidate.

          • ahughes798

            I would if I felt they were. Right now, I just think they’re a bunch of DINO harpies.

          • Ross Vachon

            That’s because you identify with a sexual harasser. One has to think you’ve probably had the same luck with women as Al Franken and when they rejected you – you were creeps just like the poisonous toad, a.k.a. Al “Wet and Slimy Lips” Franken So, you’re morally bankrupt, Sissiphys.

          • CaliCheeseSucks

            Maybe you should stick to Breitbart, you seem more on their level.

          • Ross Vachon

            Maybe you should stick to circle jerks. Your pervert role-model would like that. Hell, now that he knows he’ll never be able to humiliate and demean another unsuspecting woman from a position of influence – he’ll probably join ya. Jerkoffs For Franken currently polluting Wonkette with their victim blaming and slut shaming and neurotic allegiance to a cockroach Tartuffe.

      • Old Man Yells at Cloud

        Don’t kid yourself. The public does not give a rat’s ass about Franken and certainly the Democratic base doesn’t believe in condition without a hearing. This was Gillabrand wanting to eliminate him from being competition in the 2020 primaries pure and simple.

        • Ross Vachon

          Go Kirsten!

    • Bangkok Taxi

      You assume much. Having that many Seantors from ones own party including the minority leader turn on you is not like a walk in the park.

      As much as I and many would like to see Al stand up loud and proud amd demand due process, no one lives in a vacuum.

      • ryp

        If Al was confident that he would have been vindicated by due process, I think he would have fought for it.

      • AnneBonny

        Being groped by someone you trusted and respected is neither a walk in the park.

        Nor is having to demand the resignation of a member of your party.

    • Ross Vachon

      The cockroach was as guilty as sin. Girls started throwing up at the sight of him from the 6th grade on and he (like Harvey Weinstein and all the others) vowed to make them pay for it forever. Now, the little pervert is bitter and there’s some small measure of justice for all the women he assaulted.

      • ryp

        Dude, you are projecting like an IMAX GT.

        • CaliCheeseSucks

          It’s nice that he has his own sock following him around with upvotes.

  • Tiny kaiju

    Yeah!!! Once again the perfect is the enemy of the good. Fuck you Bernie, fuck which ever of the other twat waffles suggested Franken resign. Do they not get our people could raise the fucking dead and it will NEVER be fucking good enough for our own purity police. Why is the Democratic Party machine not up everyone’s ass about Net Neutrality, the demise of the ACA and the pit toilet of Congress that’s sucking the wizened cock of that tangerine robber baron who is the real motherfucking danger to us all? Why, because it not fucking trending on the Moral Issues Meter. Nice fucking job.

    • Bangkok Taxi

      Coulent have said it better.

      • Old Man Yells at Cloud

        I had to look up Coulent. C’est un super mot, mon ami.

        • Bangkok Taxi

          My own covfeefee moment. Ugh!
          Beg pardon. Old morning eyes. Time invest in new glasses and that 50” screen
          thats been eyeing me at the store.

    • Ross Vachon

      Aww, the pervert and his apologists are bitter. Such a shame.

  • Margling53

    I just want to say to Wonkette that if this is an effort to take the high road, just stop it. Now. Wonkette is no good at taking the high road and should not try it.

    • H0mer0

      I upvote the sentiment that wonkette seems to be about not taking the high road but digging to find the sexual motivation behind political happenings. However, wonkette is not monolithic and being liberal means we allow ourselves the option of attempting to take the high road. Franken is a smart guy and knows what he is doing. The ratfuckers want us to believe the women when it suits them but tear down the women when it doesn’t fit their agenda.

  • EER

    And, now we get back to rope-a-dope.

  • I feel like this is a turning point where feminism (at least the version of it that I’ve encountered) has gone from being a respectable force that calls for equality between men and women, to one that just wants to tear men down.

    Senator Patty Murray and her colleagues said it was about the Senate setting a higher standard than your average American workplace, but is the standard, you must fire everyone because of accusations rather than actually conduct an investigation? This is a terrible precedent.

    It’s a struggle to still have faith in the movement when you see all the people that are cheering the lack of due process or life ruination. We’ve gone from women are being silenced (a bad thing) to anytime a woman says anything, they are automatically believed (a bad thing). Gloria Alried chastised her own daughter for daring to defend a man on trial for sexual misconduct as if criminal defense isn’t part of the core of our democracy. I was nearly banned from a forum for suggesting with the Louis CK thing, that there should be room to consider the severity of the crime, the possibility of false accusation, and the possibility for eventual reform, and the moderator was like “it’s not ok to talk about the men here” There were people calling on twitter against colleagues who stood up for Al Franken.

    People in all walks of life do bad things whether sexual misconduct or a wide array of other things (being an all-around asshole to both sexes, failing as a parent, stealing, cheating on taxes) and we should certainly hold people accountable. I’m entirely ok with someone like Kevin Spacey going to prison but I’m also ok with him eventually resuming his career once he pays the price. As long as it’s not the death penalty.

    I just beg reasonable people not to feel that they automatically must go with the mob and support condemnation to everyone who has ever done anything wrong ever.

    My life was upended when I had a false stalking accusation at the age of 19 and the criminal defense system and the local press was stacked against me. I’ve looked up the symptoms for trauma and believe me, I’ve had them, so yes, I absolutely believe it’s not being anti-woman or pro-sexual assault to discuss these allegations in a way that treats both the accused with dignity and the accuser with dignity.

    • Maybe

      I think that equality under the law requires that men who assault women be held accountable.

      I believe that Franken’s actual offenses were small compared to Trump’s or Moore’s, but anyone who goes into politics as a career should expect that he will encounter politics. Franken needed to resign not just because of what he did, but as a political statement.

      And he wasn’t fired. He doesn’t have a boss who could do that. Franken chose to resign and I honor him for it.

      BTW, we haven’t gotten to a point where “anytime a woman says anything, they are automatically believed.” Trump’s accusers weren’t believed. Moore’s accusers weren’t believed. A lot of women in jobs where they are powerless don’t even dare to accuse.

      It does seem like common sense that when multiple women who get no benefit from coming forward do so that what they say should be given more weight than one man’s denials.

      • Good points. Agree about the first sentence

        I agree, he made a good political statement. And I’m surprisingly happy to see people aren’t crucifying him for it.

        I agree with the multiple women method, but weren’t many of these ones anonymous. In politics, it seems very very easy for the opposition to just pay off women to make up stuff about him. I’m just saying it hsould have gone to investigation.

        Only idiots don’t believe Moore’s accusers or Trump’s accusers. Those are deplorables. I’m a long way from being a Trump supporter or apologist.

        I’m just talking about the rest of society. I want those women to be able to have a voice but I also want the accused to have a voice. I’m seeing some situations (i.e. Jeffrey Tambour) where it’s shifted way too far into the opposite direction. Also Garrison Keillor and I’m at least glad he has the ability to launch a countersuit.

        • Bangkok Taxi
        • Maybe

          I share your concerns about the evidence against Franken and think he would have come out of an investigation well. (Unless the investigator were Repub congresscritters.) I even have some hope that will run again for Senator in November 2018. And if that doesn’t work out, he is a ferocious writer.

          The bottom line is that politics has little to do with fairness and everything to do with situational ethics. If Franken’s sacrifice appreciably helps the Dems in 2018 and 2020 then it will be worth it. The consequences of Repubs continuing in power are just too great for the Dems to hold back. And one of their best arguments for women and young people will be if they hold to zero tolerance for sexual harassment and have Trump and/or Moore as bad examples.

          Ryan has already announced they are going after SS, Medicare and Medicaid next year. I like Franken a lot and am sad to see him thrown under a bus, but I am even sadder to watch what the Repubs are doing to our government and institutions.

          Dems need to fight like junkyard dogs. They used to, back in the Lyndon Johnson days. They can again.

          • Yeah, I hate the republicans too, make no mistake about it

          • Banquo’s Ghost

            Dems in the LBJ days were Repubs.

          • Maybe

            In some ways, yes, but certainly not in all. Kennedy wrote the Civil Rights Act and LBJ signed it, even knowing that it would hurt Dems in the South for a long time to come.

            Johnson also supported strong federal social programs:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

            Nixon supported the Southern Strategy and Reagan supported tax cuts for the rich.

          • Ross Vachon

            A “ferocious writer”. LOL. Can’t wait to read his next Nabokovian epic: “Short Ugly Perverts And Their Misogynistic Disgusting Sexually Deviant Ways”.

        • Ross Vachon

          He exited without grace. He tried to blame Trump and Moore for him being a pervert. The women he sexually assaulted never heard an apology. Democracy will not miss him.

      • Bangkok Taxi

        Frankens offenses? What offences? Assumed guilty simply by accusation?

        You sound like Rodrigo Duterte,,,,, 7000 dead and counting

        Extrajudicial

        • Maybe

          First, the photo. It is wrong to use another person as an off-color prop.

          Second, Franken’s apologies. I don’t think he meant to offend and certainly not to coerce, but as a comedian he could be vulgar at time.

          Third, seven women have come forward. I wish there was more information on the record and more details. I wish there had been an investigation. But when multiple women make accusations it is sexist to assume that all the women are wrong and/or lying, while a man’s denials must be believed. I don’t believe Trump. I don’t believe Moore.

          I do believe that Franken has done little that was wrong. I think he may not have understood how the women felt when he played sexist pranks. I completely believe that he can and has learned from his mistakes.

          That said, all of the above is irrelevant. Franken chose a career in politics and politics is not about justice and fairness. It’s about winning and having power. If Franken’s resignation allows the Dems to attack Trump and Moore and win in 2018 and 2020 then it will be worth it. Having the Repubs continue in power is a much worse outcome than having Franken resign.

          As for comparing me to Duterte, are you insane? Raving bonkers? My single post is equal to killing 7,000 people?

          Finally, there was nothing extrajudicial about Franken’s resignation. He was under pressure, but resigning was his own personal choice.

          • Bangkok Taxi

            Sounds like you need pure and unblemished beings in the senate.
            Good lick with that.
            A joke picture on a comedy tour with other comedians who behaved similarly on stage.
            You were expecting Nuns and priest?
            Get a grip.

            As a comedian he could be vulgaer at times?
            Youre kidding right?

            The more you write the more the Duterte example is valid.

          • Ross Vachon

            That picture wasn’t “comedy”. It was the cockroach ‘s attempt to humiliate and demean Leeann Tweedon because she had the temerity to reject him. The ugly little worm couldn’t handle it so he took that pose to pay her back. That’s the real.Al Franken. And that picture will be his legacy as long as he drags his foul carcass around this Earth.

          • Maybe

            I didn’t say that. In fact, trying to find pure and unblemished people is impossible. More so if they’re politicians. (Or even if they’re nuns or priests, for that matter.)

            I was answering your question “What offences?” The offenses were minor–especially compared to Trump or Moore–but they did happen. I can believe that Franken does remember the events differently than the women do–that’s the Rashomon effect. But if he did grab women’s butts or try to kiss them without their consent, then he was wrong. He may have thought it was a prank. Women who are grabbed or kissed against their will might not have the same response.

            When I said that as a comedian Franken could be vulgar at times I was being factual (something he said himself). You do know what facts are, don’t you?

            And your comparison of my posts to Duterte’s 7,000+ killings is still ludicrous.

            I like Franken. I wish he could stay. But if the Dems want to go after Trump and Moore then they can’t protect Franken. Too many voters know little detail about issues; we’re lucky if they read the headlines. Add in Repub misinformation and spin and Franken as Senator would confuse the issue. Don’t forget that he chose to resign. He wasn’t expelled.

            The Dems need to win big in 2018 and in 2020. They are going to have to fight with tooth and nail. They can’t afford to be wishy-washy about a hot topic.

        • Ross Vachon

          A picture’s worth 1000 accusers.

    • Shan

      No.

    • Bangkok Taxi

      Was falsly accused once myself.
      Indeed the headlong push to abandon any kind of due process in favor of simply believing those making accusations carte blanche makes a cure worse than a disease.

      • javadavis

        You have nicely stated my objection to “believe the women”. It is arguably no better than the old “she must have asked for it” meme.

        • Bangkok Taxi

          Thank you. Indeed, thankyou.
          You have painted the subject clearer yet, with your reply.

        • Ross Vachon

          Bullshit. Women have been silenced for too damn long. The country, hell The Universe needs this revolution.

    • Old Man Yells at Cloud

      Don’t blame this on Feminism. This stinks of pure political ambition and nothing more. The Republicans wanted to defang Franken since he was pretty much the only Democrat who would stand up them. And Gillabrand wanted to eliminate potential competition in the 2020 primaries and so she took the opportunity.

      This will not help the party. Now that the Republicans have seen how quickly they can make this work, expect more allegations against Democrats.

      In their time honored tradition of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, they just handed Lil’Donnie the 2020 election if he can stay out of jail.

      • Ross Vachon

        Other way around. Now, the Democrats can field a candidate who doesn’t posture as a “champion of women” but really is one. Before he was exposed as a sexual harasser/assaulter Franken would have dragged the party down to a landslide defeat. Good riddance.

    • Ross Vachon

      This whole awakening is to the great credit of women who like Kirsten Gillibrand said: “Enough is enough!” Good men have nothing to fear. Thanks to all the brave women – this is already a better world. Franken didn’t see the *Perverts Beware! sign and it knocked him right on his wicked and odious ass.

  • Bangkok Taxi
    • shivaskeeper

      Your point? Republicans are about to vote for, and seat if he wins, a likely child molester. That is kind of a low bar to set for ourselves.

      • Bangkok Taxi

        I am going to refer you here, where I got it. Much more coherent in the context presented.
        An article I regard but suspect you wont, given your and my history on these matters.

        Franken was sent to the Senate by Minnesota voters and eatin alive by his own party. Sans any investgation.
        Moore may be sent to the senate, sans investigation prior. After?

        Without a detailing of Moores accusors and accusations I dont know that there could be any criminal investgation undertaken. Civil?
        Defamation? Libel?
        I ask the same treatment for the Moores as Frankens of the moment.
        Due process,to determine what is infact credible as opposed to merely granting credibility carte blanche by virtue of accusation.

        • shivaskeeper

          I’m not particularity happy about him resigning with no investigation. I addressed that earlier not far downthread. As far as I goes, with no verification, his accusers are just that, accusers. The flip side is his defenders have nothing more than speculation either.

          As for Moore’s alleged crimes, he cannot be prosecuted criminally. The statute of limitations is up and these happened before AL changed the law to do away with the statute. He could theoretically be taken to civil court, The bar to establish guilt is lower, but I don;t know if a 40 year old case is provable one way or another.

          The question, though, was why does it matter if no Republicans called for him to step down? They have proven time and time again they don’t really give a shit about anything other than money and party in that order.

          • Old Man Yells at Cloud

            For a 40 year old case, I expect you would need some corroboration from disinterested 3rd parties…. If only there were some.. maybe some cops who were told to keep him away from the cheerleaders.. or a mall that banned him… or a school where he called a girl from her class to ask her on a date…

          • shivaskeeper

            I just don’t know how civil cases work for something that old. The yearbook is pretty damning as well.

          • Bangkok Taxi

            “The flip side is his defenders have nothing more than speculation either.“
            So, sans any establihed ( other than by media) facts evidence of a crime or misdeed….

            Actually I dont know that I have the requisite engeries at this moment to bring
            what those words meant to me in the moment to coherent text.
            The oldness is flaring up today.

            Toward your point about Pubs, I offer this.
            It seems that among Republicans, sexual deviency, venal ambtion, or simple incompetency are more a feature than a flaw.

            <|;-) Nap time.

        • Ross Vachon

          The photograph convicted Franken. A picture’s worth 1000 accusers. That’s what he gets for trying to humiliate and demean a nice woman who tried to be polite about rejecting him. Fucking cockroach got what he deserved. Karma’s a lulu.

  • Charles “Chuck” Gunnington

    Democrats should pick there battles wisely. Getting Franken to resign benefits the Old White Greedy Male Chauvinistic Party of Trump, not women. People need to look at what’s going on in context to our culture and society.

    • Ross Vachon

      It benefits the Democratic Party, Women, and the USA not necessarily in that order. It just so happens that this scrofulous creep got his via The Harvey Effect. For that large blessing, we can all give laconic thanks.

  • Molon Labe

    Al Franken did not do the right thing, he is facing the consequences for his actions. Had Franken done the right thing he wouldn’t have behaved like a pervert in the first place. The Democrats however are doing the right thing by cleaning their house of these swamp creatures.

    The Republicans on the other hand, not so much…. Roy Moore (at the very least) should be a political leper.

    Ever notice none of these sleaze bags get outed from the inside? While the Democrats are responding politically positive. Neither party is proactively up holding any kind of standard on sexual misconduct. Weinstein was acknowledged as being a (well known) rapist years ago in Hollywood. These repeat offenders don’t act in a vacuum, be it in Hollywood or Washington. There are still perverts in both parties that are known by some on the inside but not publicly acknowledged.

    • Old Man Yells at Cloud

      Yes they are doing the right thing, and by right thing I mean politically right. Congratulations to the Democratic party leadership on eliminating the one Democrat who stood up the Republicans.

      • Ross Vachon

        Only the idiots in this ugly little worm’s cult think so. The vast majority of the country was as revolted by him as Leeann Tweedon.

        • Old Man Yells at Cloud

          So America hates alleged Ass Grabbers, but loves self professed Pussy Grabbbers and self professed Child Molesters… yeah, right.

        • Bridget Malone

          Of course you bring no proof with you but he is a Jew….right?

          • Ross Vachon

            Yes, Al Franken is Jewish. So am I. And, as Larry David pointed out on SNL a month ago, almost all the prominent men disgraced as sexual harassers are also. Franken not only was revealed to be a disgusting hypocrite, but he proposed 141 pieces of legislation, none of which was signed into law. He was an abject failure as a legislator.

          • Ross Vachon

            And, Bridget, what proof would you need? Would you rather have risked nominating the fellow (because it was Washington’s worst kept secret that he was forming a muti-billion dollar SuperPac to launch his yearning for the Presidency) only to see him trounced by Trump? Because that’s what would have happened. I won money betting on Trump, I know these things. And Franken as he showed in his resignation speech doesn’t have it. He’s a graceless whiner with an awful voice. He’s hideous looking, he’s got the face he deserves, outside of gormless uncool liberals nobody would vote for him, kiss him, or even shake his hand. The joke’s on Franken, now. Nothing is less appealing than a pervert comic.

      • ahughes798

        That was the plan all along. Gotta get rid of all the liberals. Expect more losses in 2018 and 2020.

      • Ross Vachon

        A pervert who repulsed 85 percent of the country before they saw that picture of him grinning like a 6th grade jerk off as he gropes a selfless USO Tour performer in her sleep all because she had the temerity to reject him as any self-respecting woman would. The poisonous toad (Franken) really thought he had a shot with a Playboy model. That’s the humor in all this. Even his friend and defender Bill Maher said: “Any skit with Al and a model that ends in a kiss isn’t comedy, it’s science fiction!”

    • javadavis

      Weinstein is a red herring – he is not a politician, so his transgressions and crimes are beside the point in the discussion of what to do about reprehensible people running for office or already in office.

    • Mutaman

      “Had Franken done the right thing he wouldn’t have behaved like a pervert in the first place.
      Somebody give me a gun so i can shoot myself.

    • Ross Vachon

      Very true, but at least we got this Tartuffe, this “champion of women”, this ugly little man. His loss is American Democracy’s gain.

    • Bridget Malone

      Nobody ever accused me of being too much of a lady to say Go fuck yourself, when necessary. Moron Labia, Senator Franken has done nothing AFAICT.

  • dieselox

    OK, can we have just one silver lining? Go on a stand up tour, Al, you’ve always been one of my favorite comedians anywhere. Sad that you gave that up for politics, as good as you are at both.

    I suspect this is not the end.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      here’s a silver lining for ya….when the dust settles and it becomes all the MOAR obvious that our taking the high road has gotten us absolutely nowhere (AGAIN), and probaby done us even more electoral damage, i hope al runs for the senate again in 2020…fuck these people

    • Ross Vachon

      Yeah, he’ll be in big demand at the Salute To Perverts Convention held biannually in Nanuet. we

  • Mutaman

    Will someone please ask Gillibrand about her law partnership with now disgraced David Boies? if not I’m sure some rightwinger in Iowa will.

    • Ross Vachon

      Boies was the go to lawyer for many Democrats. Why I don’t know but he was. Harvey Weinstein was tight with both the Clintons and Obamas. You pervert apologists can rag on Senator Gillibrand all you want but it”LL be as otiose as your luck with women. In that respect you’re just like your hero Al “Wet and slimy lips” Franken.

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  • Christopher Smith

    This is a path to perdition, not a path forward.

    Alan Zweibel, former colleague of Franken on SNL, writes:

    If I was Franken, this would be my statement: “You think it’s a coincidence
    that all of these allegations surfaced after I was the only Democrat to pose tough questions to Sessions about the Trump-Russia collusion? Could you possibly be that stupid? After all these years, you don’t know a Republican smear job when you see it?

    I would tell my Democratic colleagues to smarten up, wake the hell up, and show some spine for once. Why are you obsessing about me, and not about Trump and
    his 24 rape charges, and Roy Moore and his 20 molestation charges? Have you lost your minds? Why do you think we’ve lost 800 seats in Congress and State legislatures in the last 8 years?

    The reason is because the public thinks we’re wimps, and that we lack a backbone, and we don’t stand up enough for what is right, and we don’t fight for liberal values and for the working men and women.

    Waging this campaign against me, in the context of the Trump horror show, is
    absolutely immoral — a clear signal to everyday Americans that you don’t give a shit about them or about what is right — that you have again allowed yourselves to be dictated to by uninformed public opinion.

    Do you like what Republican monsters and psychopaths did on this tax bill?
    Do you want to see Obamacare repealed, and 20 million people lose their insurance? Do you like the Trump horror show?

    If so, then by all means, continue this raging jihad against me, and accept that America will again see you as spineless corporatists, who have no backbone and don’t stand for anything.

    If you don’t like the nightmare that Republicans have unleashed on America, then
    shut your prissy sanctimonious mouths and allow me to have my right to due process. Or are you opposed to THAT constitutional guarantee as well, you snide little shits?”

    • Ross Vachon

      Alan Zweibel. LOL.

      • Christopher Smith

        ‘LOL?’ ROTFLMFAO@Ross Vachon.

  • Jet Maier

    I’m thinking back to the comments on a previous story https://wonkette.com/626067/yes-all-men Funny how things change. What I’ve learned from this is my side (Dems and Feminists) don’t believe in due process and have sacrificed one of the best Senators we have so they could look morally superior. This is supposed to set an example for Repubs. Good luck with that. At least they picked a winner. Franken is the only Senator honorable enough to take a bullet for them.

    • dshwa

      If we stand by the “due process” an an argument, then neither Moore or Trump can be criticized, since they haven’t had it either.

      Due process also only applies to the legal system, not politics.

      • Jet Maier

        They can be criticized. That has noting to do with due process. They shouldn’t be forced to resign without an investigation.

        • dshwa

          Then by your logic Trump can stay president and not be pressured over the allegations against him, and Roy Moore staying in the race is fine because he hasn’t had a hearing either. Otherwise, it’s “believe women, but only when it’s not someone from my team. Criticize and pressure bad actors, but only when they’re republicans.

    • zendoo

      Eight women. Eight.

      • Jet Maier

        None of them particularly credible and no witnesses, even though the events allegedly took place on public, on front of cameras.

      • iceweasels

        Not really. At least one of the women saying she was “assaulted” was not assaulted. Squeezing someone’s waist is not assault.

        • ahughes798

          It’s called the “Christian Side Hug.”

  • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

    we’ve had the moral high ground since the civil rights movement…and look at us…just look around, go ahead, lookit us

    • Ross Vachon

      The Vietnam War was LBJ’s war. NAFTA was Clinton, so was the crime bill and welfare reform. The Democrats have been knee deep in blood and muck for 70 years.

      • ahughes798

        Actually, the Vietnam war was Eisenhower’s. He was the first person to send troops “advisors” there.

        • Ross Vachon

          LBJ escalated it big-time. It was his evil folly when he was warned repeatedly that the War was unwinnable. The false flag Gulf Of Tonkin “Incident” was on LBJ’s watch. Of course you’re right about Eisenhower R, this was after the French debacle at Dien Bien Phu in ’54. But, that was infinitesmal compared to what America’s Top Democrat did. 3 million Vietnamese killed, mostly civilians. 58,000 Americans, mostly poor whites, poor blacks, Latinos, American Indians,

    • DC Madman

      We don’t get up in the morning thinking about fucking people over. We need to apply Gingrich rules, in a factual way. Letch Valencia is all I have so far…

    • Ross Vachon

      WTF are you talking about?! The Democratic Party leaders endorsed the Iraq War. Al Franken, darling of all the pervert apologist misogynist losers pullulating like maggots on this site, a site that purports to be lucid, humane, and righteous, ENDORSED THE IRAQ WAR. That’s the kind of vision and moral clarity you got from Al Franken before We learned what an odious little pervert misogynist, liar, classless poisonous toad he really was. Don’t think the Democratic Party didn’t do a lot of polling – that infamous picture of the poor little rejected 6th grade boy trying to humiliate the pretty girl who rejected him as she slept. That picture sealed Franken’s fate with America. Chuck Schumer reportedly told Kirsten Gillibrand: “Al, God bless him…is history. But, he did it to himself. He turned out to be an ugly little man.”

  • reelreeler

    “You have to believe in magic to think this is going to end well for Republicans.”……I hope it doesn’t end well for republicans, on the other hand nothing at all seems to matter to their voter base. Dems had better do more than be comment section geniuses, they’d better get registered and actually show up to vote……in every fucking election.

    • Anne Rogers

      But apparently ebil whitey is somehow magically preventing them from voting!

      • JAFischer

        So, cutting the hours and locations of polling places doesn’t happen in minority areas? Gerrymandering never happens? Those over-stringent voter ID laws don’t exist?

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        Well… you seem nice.

      • The-Timbuktutu

        “Ebil whitey?” Wow, racist blackcent and everything.

  • louwhitaker

    If I’m the GOP (it is a given then, that there is no moral compass to
    impede me) I now target any remotely charismatic Dem who may be a
    plausible national figure and dig up some women who are willing to make
    unsubstantiated charges of sexual harassment. Since the Democrats have
    decided that this is a sufficient basis for drumming somebody out of the
    party without anything remotely resembling due process, they should be able to
    thin the herd quite nicely.

    • Anne Rogers

      So when they accuse a Democrat the charges are ‘unsubstantiated’ (apparently there was Photoshopping going on?). I suppose when they accuse a Republican the cry becomes ‘Listen and Believe’?

      • louwhitaker

        The photo is the only real evidence, and to my mind falls short of sexual assault, or perhaps even harassment. She was in on a lot of raunchy sex role playing herself on the USO Tour, which was documented, and kept the photo for years; it is not at all clear that she was particularly displeased by it until it was useful for her right-wing agenda, which she openly espouses.) The charges against Conyers have a money trail, the charges against Moore have substantiation by third parties, and Moore’s notes to the teenager. Franken just has a lot of women who suddenly say he grabbed them. Maybe they did, but I’m not ready to kick him, or anyone else, to the curb without due process.

        • Ross Vachon

          Leeann Tweedon was sickened as any woman would have been at what Franken did. It wasn’t just his “wet and slimy lips” assaulting her, it was the “petty insults and snide remarks”, drawing devil horns on the 8 X 10’s she was giving to the troops, and then finally his last attempt to humiliate her by groping her as she slept for which thankfully we have photographic proof. The poisonous toad was cast out because of it. Leeann Tweedon is a fucking heroine!

    • Bridget Malone

      Yep, that’s the way I feel.

  • The Librarian

    I’ll miss Mr. Franken, who has been a beacon of light in Congress during this most dismal of years. However, I hope his departure will enable voters to do the right thing and get the GOP cretins that remain out of office. #2018iscoming.

  • Kgprophet

    Al Franken is my senator from here in Minnesota. He has been level headed and has been above the corrosive atmosphere of Washington D.C. He has done well for our state, and…If I was a person easily brainwashed into the idea of “Party before Everything”, I could cop an attitude that “yeah, take that Republicans, I’m going to continue to support him just to piss you off”. However, I am “Country before Party”, and believe it is necessary to keep integrity and morality on your side. Even if it means losing a great senator.

    • Anne Rogers

      Such integrity and morality! He waited until there was enough of a shitstorm about his behavior before he did the right thing.

      • ahughes798

        What right thing? His kangaroo court pretty much guarantee that his seat will go to a Republican, but at least the Dems can sit on their moral high horse.

    • Ross Vachon

      Franken’s brand of obnoxious idiocy alienated 85 percent of the country. Kirsten Gillibrand is smart and she now has my vote.

  • Boko999

    So much being able to confront your accusers or due process.
    Does the “right to be believed” (WTF?) extend to everyone or just women?

    • Ross Vachon

      Women first because they’ve been silenced since the Dawn of Time. Al Franken whined like a sodden jester in his resignation speech. It cheered women everywhere. An ugly little man was forced out of the office he used to commit a fraud upon the nation. The Arc of the Universe bends towards Justice (MLK)

  • Zyxomma

    I’ll miss having Al Franken in the Senate, and I’m still hoping Doug Jones FTW on Tuesday.

    • Ross Vachon

      No woman will miss having the poisonous toad around.

  • Harbinger08

    Can there be any consideration at all that Franken might actually be telling the truth through all this? These allegations assume intent, which can appear different to different people based on the assumptions they start with. I am personally getting a lot of reactions from Democratic women and men who are not at all happy about what looks like a bum rush railroad job. There should have been an open investigation so appropriate consequences could be weighed and a conversation about it taken place. Instead of that we are left stuck with a double standard. Democrats take accusations as proof and the party turns its back and forces its own to step down as a given. Republicans deny everything and stay in office with no investigation, no consequence, and the party supports them 100%. The problem with this approach is that the party’s withdrawal of support is expected to police it’s own members, which immediately reveals the absurdity of that hope. Everyone should be held to the same standard. Open investigations that are fair for both accusers and accused, and consistent consequences imposed across the board. What you will get now on from Republicans is denial, a middle finger and a big belly laugh.

    I hope the Democrats can hang onto the MN senate seat next November. If sacrificing Franken gets the support of the voters they should.

    • JAFischer

      My take on this is that Franken’s grab-ass was playful (if ill-considered). That said, it IS a form of assault, and to play ‘At least it wasn’t X’ does a disservice to women who have to contend with mean-spirited grabbing and similar hostility.

      But this means that Trump, Moore, and others should be held to the same standard and investigated.

      • Harbinger08

        It’s not the same standard. Franken wasn’t allowed to request an investigation. And the Republicans won’t have one, either. That’s my point read my comment again, please.

      • Maybe

        Which I suspect the Dems just may mention in 2018.

      • Ross Vachon

        “Playful”? Ask the women he groped and assaulted if they wanted it.

      • this country says it’s about

        Agreed. Plus lumping the allegations about Moore with Franken’s is a false equivalency. Preying on underage girls is way worse than anything Franken is accused of.

    • Maybe

      I think a lot of people (me included) think Franken didn’t do enough to lose his job over. But politics is not about fairness or logic. The Dems intend to go after Trump and Moore. Franken would have been a distraction, especially after Repub misinformation and spinning.

      I hate to lose Franken, but if his sacrifice helps the Dems win big in 2018 and 2020 then it will have been a worthy sacrifice. The alternative is that the Repubs stay in power and do redistricting after 2020.

      • Harbinger08

        We are of similar minds. I am not certain what the best course was, and am leery of those who are 100% sure they are right. I hope it doesn’t wind up breaking in favor of the Republicans.

      • Jena-Auerstedt

        I’m not sure what there is to “win” if the Democrats keep doing the Republicans’ dirty work for them, by forcing out their most articulate and effective senators. Until this week, when had anyone heard of Kirsten Gillibrand? What has *she* ever accomplished? It was Franken, after all, whose questioning of Jeff Sessions led to the Mueller investigation. I’ll believe that this was worthwhile when N.Y’s Sen. Purity and her fellow professionally-outraged women senators (and the rest of the “me too” brigade on the Democrats’ side of the aisle) do one thing that was as effective as Franken’s questioning of Sessions or that other non-entity, Betsy DeVos.

        • (((Aron)))

          Your name wins everything forever.

          And not simply because I’m a hardcore Bonapartist ;)

        • Maybe

          What there is to win is control of the House, possible control of the Senate, control of state governments and (in 2020) winning back the Presidency.

          Franken’s questioning of Sessions and DeVos was excellent, but it didn’t win a single election for the Dems. His approval ratings in Minnesota have plummeted as of late November and more women have come forth since.

          I’m pretty sure the Repubs would have preferred Franken to stay so they could play the Both-Sides-Do-It game. They’re good at that.

          As it is, Trump’s base will likely stay loyal. Liberals won’t be won over to the Trumpsters, though some may be foolish enough to waste their votes, effectively carrying out the voter suppression the Repubs want. But people in the middle, including mainstream Repubs, are becoming increasingly sickened by the moral collapse of the GOP. Moore is the poster boy for that. If he wins I think it is unlikely he will quietly do his job and play nice with Mitch McConnell. And women and young people may be especially receptive to the Dems’ stand.

          Re your comment about “Sen. Purity and her fellow professionally-outraged women senators,” it’s interesting that you single out women for your name-calling attacks. Why do you feel so much contempt for them?

  • Anne Rogers

    So he’s to be commended for eventually resigning? By that logic Nixon is one of the greatest Presidents given all the skeletons that have been uncovered with regards to everyone else.

    Why didn’t he resign after he assaulted her, or better yet manage to not assault her in the first place?

    • JAFischer

      Hard to resign from a position you didn’t hold at the time.

    • Ross Vachon

      Because he’s a vile little man who thought his sexual assaults were funny. And the losers on this site still defending him are the worst kind of misogynist trolls.

    • Maybe

      There is no solid evidence that he did assault anyone. The photo proves a prank, not an assault. You don’t usually have a photographer along for those.

      Other women, many not on the record, have said he copped a feel or tried to kiss them against their will. I don’t disbelieve them, but I do believe that Franken may have perceived things very differently. It’s called the Rashomon effect.

  • thatdamnbob

    Is there a voice in the wilderness of the righteous Democratic grope thinktank calling for a revelation of all the hidden names of the congress persons that have paid out over $15,000,000 for their predatory behaviors from a slush fund of taxpayer dollars?
    Partial reckoning of just the newly revealed predators in congress, while allowing all the ones who’ve paid taxpayer money to hide their guilt is just as bad as if nothing has been done. Enough of being satisfied with the superficial polish, allowing corrupt characters their anonymity.
    Congressional Democrats who’ve demanded that Franken resign! Demand a reckoning for all the predators in Congress, assembled, who’ve availed themselves of the slush fund of taxpayer dollars to silence their victims. All of them, not just the recently newsworthy. Enough with the superficial polish, demand the resignation of those predators currently hidden from the public’s awareness.
    In for a penny, in for a pound!
    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!
    Do the right thing!
    Wonkette, Editrix and Scribes! Win a Pulitzer!

  • SeeTrainOffTheRails

    You have to believe in magic to think this is going to end well for Republicans.

    I don’t believe in magic.

    I do believe Republicans care only about numbers and power, and will forgive anything to keep them.

  • chimpevil

    Franken being forced out of the Senate is pure bullshit, especially if Roy Moore is allowed in. The Democratic purity police only plays into the hands of Republicans, who now see the chance to gain a seat that was safe Democratic. Aside from politics, if y’all want to equate Franken’s so-called offenses with Cosby, Weinstein, Moore and Lauer et al, then bless your heart. I say that Franken has been railroaded and the fact that Wonkette has bought into the mess makes me sad.

    • Shan

      Franken made his own decision and he’s not officially gone yet.

      • chimpevil

        He hardly made his own decision, but I hope you’re right that he’s not gone.

        • Maybe

          He may have decide reluctantly, but he did decide. He has no boss to fire him. The caucus can pressure someone, but they can’t throw them out.

          I hope Franken stays in politics. Even if he doesn’t he is a ferocious writer.

    • Ross Vachon

      You can’t be a “champion of women” and co-instaneously groping and sexually assaulting women. Franken is not just a pervert, he’s an immoral hypocrite, a woman hater preening with high rectitude as the opposite.

  • RugzYaBurnt

    The idea that Republicans will be forced to discover a sense of shame for their own monsters as a result of Franken’s and Conyers’ resignations is delusional. How much more forcefully can a party indicate that they approve of sexual predation than electing a predator President?

    And everyone ought to be very, very afraid for that Senate seat. The only reason Minnesota went blue in 2016–by way fewer votes than it should have–is because the majority of the state’s population is in the Twin Cities, which appear as a blue island in a sea of red on that state’s electoral map. We’ve got more than our share of yokels who vote–take it from a girl who grew up in the district that elected Batshit Bachmann over and over again.

    • Maybe

      I don’t think Dems expect Repubs to feel shame. I think they expect voters, especially women and young people, to be receptive to attacks on Trump and Moore. Franken would have been a distraction.

      With any luck Dems will do well in 2018, though they may actually lose Senate seats since a lot more Dems are up for reelection than Repubs.. And there’s no guarantee Franken could have won another term.

      • Jena-Auerstedt

        Except that Franken’s seat would have been up in 2020, not 2018 — by which time the Era of Purity would presumably have passed its “Sell By” date.

        • Maybe

          Did you also prophecy that the the movement for marriage equality would have passed its “Sell By” date in a year or two and just faded away?

          This is a real issue and it seems likely that it will have staying power.

      • Linda

        I’m from Minnesota and Franken is the most popular politician in the state. He would have won easily. As a matter of fact, 78% approval rating even now. Look for the possibility of Franken running as an independent in 2018 to either get that seat back. Of course if he loses it will then most certainly go to the GOP. Actions have consequences.

        • Maybe

          I guess it depends on which poll you look at:
          https://thinkprogress.org/franken-minnesota-poll-numbers-06a5f9eb786a/

          Your logic doesn’t follow. You say Franken might run as an Independent in 2018. From this possibility you deduce that if he lost it would certainly go the the GOP. You have no way of knowing that.

          Actions have consequences. And I suspect the consequences of the Dems protecting Franken while trying to attack Moore and Trump in 2018 would have been bad ones.

      • RugzYaBurnt

        That’s certainly optimistic. If Moore wins on Tuesday, it will be white women who put him there. 2016 redux…

        • Maybe

          Moore may well win, but if he wins by a tiny margin that is a good sign for Dems. Dems did exceptionally well in Virginia. A close context in Alabama, a deeply red state, would help confirm a Dem trend, though Moore is a special case and the election results may mean little in the broader sense.

          And don’t just blame white women. White men will have played their part. As they did in 2016.

          • RugzYaBurnt

            I just don’t expect any better of white men. I’ve entertained flashes of hope in the past that white women will empathize with other women, but in the case of 2016, they firmly indicated that they were cool with reaping the dividends of racism instead, thanks.

          • Maybe

            Most men, white or otherwise, are pretty good guys. It’s just sad that it’s mostly the other kind who make the noise and the news.

            I’m not sure if this applies or even if it’s factual, but I watched Law & Order once when they were doing a rape case. One of the characters stated that women jurors actually tended to identify less with rape victims than men did because women did not want to think it could happen to them. They needed to put the blame on the victim.

            At least there are signs we are making some progress. We got marriage equality. Now let’s get equality for women.

  • Serolf Divad

    Fuck the Democrats. This kind of shit is why I’m not a Democrat. They don’t have the stomach to win. They don’t have the stomach to govern. They just sacrificed their funniest, most likable Senator for nothing. They gain NOTHING by this. I’d say “I’m done with this party” but I can’t, because I said that 15 years ago when they voted for G.W. Bush’s war in Iraq. They cave on the important stuff but are steadfast when it comes to bullshit symbolic self-immolation. Enjoy the next fucking 40 years of wandering in the wilderness Pelosi and Schumer.

    • this country says it’s about

      I’m just hoping that Franken makes his resignation contingent on Roy Moore resigning if he is elected. I’m not counting on it, but I am hoping.

      • Ross Vachon

        Franken was very lucky his colleagues didn’t make him pack up his bags and get the fuck out right after his crybaby speech. I thought the little worm was gonna start weeping. Once Kirsten Gillibrand put her foot down and all the Democratic Women Senators followed – Franken was finished. They had been confabbing about this little putz ever since the Abu Gharib like photo surfaced of Franken looking like a 6th grade jerk off. Franken had always given Kirsten Gillibrand the creeps. She wasn’t surprised at all that he turned out to be a misogynist pervert.

    • Ross Vachon

      “Funniest and most likeable”? To burping, scratching, neurotic little nerd whiners like you and your Cult Of The Poisonous Toad maybe. Just not to a hefty majority of the American people. To them he was an obnoxious idiot always sanctimoniously invoking his high rectitude. The motherfucker was a loser. Forget what a witless mediocrity he was, but 141 bills proposed NONE SIGNED INTO LAW, he sucked as a legislator content to harass and annoy his colleagues to play to the peanut gallery the

  • Jena-Auerstedt

    Just got done watching Gore Vidal’s 1964 political opus, “The Best Man.” Same old, same old — the respectable liberal, Henry Fonda, gets his lunch eaten by the cynical gut fighter played by Cliff Robertson. It has a sort-of, kind-of twist ending, but it’s not a “happy ending.” Like the “happy ending” here that could have been: “Al Franken has announced that his resignation will take effect when Donald Trump’s resignation for his far more egregious behavior takes effect, and when Roy Moore announces that, in the interest of decency and safe malls, he’s also withdrawing his candidacy in Alabama.” Until then, I have given my last contribution to any Democrat who called for Sen. Franken to resign. And will the last Democrat in the Senate please turn out the lights?

    • (((Aron)))

      But don’t forget: Senator Franken can always decide not to resign. Crom, but I hope that’s what happens.

  • Linda

    This is one of the stupidest political moves by Democrats of all time. Not once have they unitedly called for Trump to resign over the far more serious allegations made against him and the fact that he even admitted to sexual misconduct on tape. No instead these grandstanding backstabbers get up and alongside Republicans and force him to resign. Mayo Angelou said, ” when people show you who they are, believe them” Well the 32 Dems showed me alright and worse of all the six women leading the charge. None of them will ever get my vote again nor any more of my hard earned money. There are reasons Republicans have control of all three branches of government and the majority of states as well. Democrats need to understand that this is not an issue that is going to win them any elections, and if Trump being elected in spite of the tape, and Roy Moore well on his way to the white house hasn’t taught them this fact yet then they are going to lose in 2018 as well. Hell, Democrats are working so hard at losing, Republicans don’t even have to break a sweat to win.

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