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Paul Ryan is pretty chuffed about the trillion-dollar hole the GOP tax bill will blow in the federal budget over the next 10 years, so even though the bill hasn’t yet made it out of the conference committee, he’s already looking forward to the cuts America will absolutely have to make to Medicare, Medicaid, and — maybe — Social Security starting next year because we’ll have so much darn debt. In an interview on talk radio, the House speaker said it’s essential that we start chopping up the social safety net because we can’t afford the old or the poor to hold back America’s rich people anymore:

“We’re going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,” Ryan said during an appearance on Ross Kaminsky’s talk radio show. “… Frankly, it’s the health care entitlements that are the big drivers of our debt, so we spend more time on the health care entitlements — because that’s really where the problem lies, fiscally speaking.”

Ryan also said he thinks he’s making progress in convincing Donald Trump to “rein in” Medicare, although he didn’t explicitly mention that Trump had promised during the campaign that — unlike other Republicans — he would never, ever cut Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid. Obviously, Trump’s willingness to flush Medicaid during the ACA repeal debate made the point that his campaign promises were lies, so apart from un-American journalists pointing out what Trump repeatedly said, no one really cares.

Ryan did at least acknowledge there was little chance of slashing Social Security, since Senate rules won’t let Congress make changes to that program through the reconciliation process that was used to pass the tax cuts and to try to kill Obamacare. Nonetheless, Marco Rubio has already said Social Security should go on the chopping block as well as Medicare, as long as it’s only slashed for people who aren’t yet retired and receiving benefits.

Ryan also signaled that when he says “reform,” he’s really talking about some kind of Medicare privatization scheme, possibly through block grants:

“I think the president is understanding that choice and competition works everywhere in health care, especially in Medicare,” Ryan said. “…This has been my big thing for many, many years. I think it’s the biggest entitlement we’ve got to reform.”

Same goes for Medicaid, which Ryan has dreamed of killing off since he was a frat boy at a keg stand in college. These are truly exciting days for Republicans, who are certain they can do all sorts of things the majority of Americans don’t want done, because isn’t that what a mandate means?

“What it is we really need to convert our health care system to a patient-centered system, so we have more choices and more competition. Choice and competition brings down prices and improves quality; government-run health care is the opposite of that,” Ryan said. “So I think these reforms that we’ve been talking about, that we’re still going to keep pushing, that will help not just make Medicaid less expensive … but it will help Medicare as well.”

Ryan seriously believes that Medicare and Medicaid don’t offer “choice and competition,” even though Medicare has fewer restrictions on which doctors a patient can see than private insurer networks do. True, fewer doctors take Medicaid patients because the reimbursements are lower, but Republican proposals to convert Medicaid into block grants are likely to make that problem worse, not better. But evidence doesn’t matter — the belief that dismantling Medicare and letting the market fix everything is every bit as much a matter of faith as the notion that cutting taxes on the wealthy will help everyone else.

Other Republicans are just as hot as Ryan and Rubio to start saving the nation from the damage their own tax bill will do; during debate on the tax plan, Bernie Sanders challenged Rubio and Pat Toomey to promise that the next Republican move would not be to go after Social Security and Medicare. Toomey said there was “no secret plan” to cut the programs, which was accurate enough because they’re planning it right out in the open — the cuts will simply hit those who haven’t yet reached retirement age:

“I am not going to support any cuts to people who are on the program and need those benefits. But I want this program to survive,” Toomey said. To which Sanders responded: “He just told you he’s going to cut Social Security.”

Yes, we verified the quote

Remember when cuts to Social Security and Medicare were supposed to be the “third rail” of American politics, something Republicans couldn’t touch without getting electrocuted? They seem to think their huge tax cuts will turn the power off so they can fiddle around with those essential programs. We have a feeling that if they try it, they’ll get a very unwelcome jolt in the 2018 midterms.

Obviously, they’ll need to eliminate funding for public transit so no one uses that metaphor anymore.

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  • Mavenmaven

    They’ve already cut all the support for cancer treatment, so everyone will be dead anyway.

    • goonemeritus

      This is my point about global warming, the GOP has a fool proof plan to combat it with nuclear winter.

  • The Wanderer

    The moral worth of a society can be gauged by how it treats the old, the sick, the young and the poor.
    We’re boned.

    • Anne Of Green Bagels

      there’s a version of that one in pretty much every holy book but that page always gets skipped by their respective fundies.

      • BearDeLaOursistance

        In their defense, obsessing about sex is a lot more fun than working in a soup kitchen.

        • Anne Of Green Bagels

          obsessing over sex while having a nice shellfish dinner.

          • BearDeLaOursistance

            The psycholinguistic implications of canned clams cannot be overstated.

          • Anne Of Green Bagels

            you monster!

  • MynameisBlarney

    Ladies and gents.
    The Real Death Panels!

  • proudgrampa

    I LIKE IKE!

    • SpideySenser

      Me, also, too!

  • A Groucho Marxist

    Well, we can’t increase military spending without cutting something somewhere.

  • proudgrampa

    Where the FUCK is the AARP???

    • ManchuCandidate

      Still at the bank machine trying to talk to the teller.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Sending me 20 postcards a week, not realizing that I will never be able to afford to retire.

    • jesterpunk

      They are against the tax bill but it seems their voters dont care.

      • Cornelius Fussbudget

        RINOs, the lot of them.

      • Historicat

        They’re too busy watching Fox “News” to read what the AARP is sending them.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      I thought you said What is the AARP, to which I was about to answer: ‘the sound Grandma Millie makes as she falls off the cliff.’

      • onedollarjuana

        An insurance company.

    • dslindc

      Sending me snail mail despite the fact that I’m at least three decades shy of retirement.

      Joke’s on them though. I don’t think the world will survive that long.

    • BearDeLaOursistance

      Tallahassee?

      • Oblios_Cap

        The Villages.

  • BearDeLaOursistance

    “Let’s make sure a heavily armed nation has nothing left to lose! What could possibly go wrong?”

    • Historicat

      Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.

  • Hanaka

    Evidence doesn’t matter – the new motto for this administration. CHIP, Medicare – they are fucking over kids and the elderly after their tax gift to the wealthy and aren’t even trying to hide it anymore. Shameless bastards!

  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    ““We’re going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,” Ryan said during an appearance on Ross Kaminsky’s talk radio show. “… Frankly, it’s the health care entitlements that are the big drivers of our debt, so we spend more time on the health care entitlements — because that’s really where the problem lies, fiscally speaking.”

    This whole statement…it’s just…fuckin’ hell. I never really GOT the hate for paul ryan, but given he was probably making a serious/but smug face while spewing this intellectual sewage, I GET IT NOW.

  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    p.s. everyone in power is crazy – and they’re making the rest of us crazy.

    can we just get to the dystopian hellscape nao? while I remember survival tips from TWD and disaster movies?

  • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

    I’m just gonna stuff my face with chocolate until I can go home and drink myself stupid.

    • Crystalclear12

      I support that.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    A “patient centered” system means patients can figure it out for themselves.

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      and operating on your friends and neighbors! In return for live chickens!

    • Anne Of Green Bagels

      GOP bills are written on opposite day.

      • Oblios_Cap

        They’re usually named that way.

  • therblig

    ryan’s dead father is lucky he never lived to see what a little shitbag his son turned out to be.

    • ManchuCandidate

      He would have been so proud…

  • Msgr_MΩment

    “We’re going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,”

    No, you tackle the debt and the deficit by not blowing a trillion dollar hole in it, brah. Do you even economic?

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      i suspect that cutting a loophole for ONE major corp would keep entitlements level, do it for three and you’re close to solving the debt.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Or they could rein in military spending. How about a more “soldier centered” system for that?

    • Gigglesnort

      Seriously. He can say this with a straight face? How about we not do your tax plan, and leave Grandma alone, or maybe slip her a few extra Ameros?

  • dslindc

    We have to cut the earned benefits of the social safety net because people continue to be old and/or poor! When will they learn to stop that!

    • PubOption

      Soon.

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        “we’re doing everything we can to prevent people from getting proper healthcare – WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT?” – Conservapublicans.

    • Anne Of Green Bagels

      being poor is a lifestyle choice that gives rich people economic anxiety.

  • Crystalclear12

    “choice and competition,”
    Because during a heart attack I always call around to get the best price.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      It’s the only responsible thing to do.

      • exinkwretch

        No, the responsible thing to do is die quickly to the insurance company doesn’t have to pay out any of your premiums for care and the execs are that much closer to collecting their quarterly bonus.

        • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

          And also make sure your employer has “dead peasant” insurance on you so that they aren’t inconvenienced by your death.

          • Dept. of Space Tacos

            they could even turn a profit on your death!

      • Crystalclear12

        I can just hear them telling me there is an extra charge for home pick up, can’t you?

        • Dept. of Space Tacos

          well, i got a $900 bill for my last trip to the ER via the Fire Dept. (But they were cool and wiped off the $750 or so I couldn’t pay).

          • Arolpin

            I’m still dealing with the bills for when one of the Arol-twins fell and concussed himself at Home Depot. The ER bill (and the off-duty police officer helping, the retired assistant fire chief calling the ambulance, and the EMT all recommended a specific hospital for their neuro-trauma ER) was almost $8k, but the insurance payment PLUS my (miniscule) co-pay was less than $2,000. The ambulance ride was almost $1,500, and the insurance paid the vast majority of that, because the ambulance company doesn’t have a pre-negotiated rate with the ambulance service.
            If a HUGE insurance company can’t negotiate with an ambulance service, how the fuck is the average person supposed to do so while suffering a medical emergency?

    • ArgieBargie

      It depends. Will you call using your Obamaphone?

      • Edie

        Google is paying 97$ per hour,with weekly payouts.You can also avail this.
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    • goonemeritus

      Or you could just negotiate pricing from the gurney.

      • Non-Threatening Ron

        ‘That better be generic nitroglycerin!’

        • GoutMachine

          And organic!

  • exinkwretch

    Do pet food futures trade on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange? Because I have a feeling Ryan is gonna make a move to corner them.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    “I think the president is understanding that choice and competition works everywhere in health care, especially in Medicare,” Ryan said.

    Never mind for the moment that this is pure crap–I think it’s cute that Paulie actually thinks Donald would understand a concept that complicated, LOL…

    • ((( Augustus )))

      really that he would understand anything at all is laughable

    • Oblios_Cap

      It works for the insurance companies and their shareholders, sure. For the insureds, not so much.

  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

    Hey Paul, wassup? Why is there no competition for the VA health care system?

    Why can’t the media pin down these bastards on their own fucked up shit?

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      Because Hillary almost certainly said something similar, and they’ll stay on that story until they unearth the truth, or until Two Scoops gives a speech. Either/or.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    At the same time they’re talking about this, they are drafting a budget that increases defense spending again. Despite current levels being more than the rest of the world combined.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Gotta payback your backers.

      • Oblios_Cap

        What was that Eisenhower said about the military-industrial complex? He was such a raging liberal.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Gee, maybe that’s because America wants to blow the shit out of every country in the rest of the world combined. (Except Israel and Russia, because they’re special.) NB: Trump did say during the campaign he wouldn’t rule out nuking Europe as a final solution to their Muslim problem…

  • Tragic Typos

    I look forward to moar stories about Ryan’s budget-hawking keggers in college.

  • IdiokraticKulturKommissar

    “Medicaid and Medicare will be much less expensive because they will no longer exist.” – Shorter Paul Ryan.

    • Politifact rates that as Pants on Fire because even though Grandma’s health care will now be administered by the Christian Scientists, it’s still technically called Medicare.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        You mean I get to break out my “Just because I’m standing in the garage doesn’t mean I am technically a car” analogy again? SWEET!

      • Historicat

        I really want to find the car of whoever thought that was a valid criticism and then steal it. I would of course be happy to replace the car with the equivalent from either Hot Wheels or Matchbox.

  • Bananas Foster

    If I had a time machine I would take Paul Ryan back to Victorian England and lock him in a workhouse.

    Or may let’s just lock him in one of Ivanka’s factories…

  • Choice and competition? Because hospitals and insurance companies are really open about how much they charge and just print up nice menus of services for you that you can browse in the ER to decide if they get to treat your heart attack or stroke.

    • h4rr4r

      I distinctly remember the paramedics during my last ER ride ask at what hospital I wanted to be treated. No wait, a cop forced me into the Ambulance, then we got a bill for a ride we did not want. All for having been in a minor car accident.

      • BosGrl

        And of course if you didn’t run it by the insurance company beforehand, they don’t pay.

    • if “choice and competetion” meant what it SHOULD mean and HMOs/hospitals/ins companies went for a more humanist approach over profit, I guess I’d be all for it. But something tells me we’ll end up with…

      Choice: You can choose to go to the doctor if you become sick, or you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and deal with it. You can also choose to go bankrupt from a persistent medical condition, or you can die, slowly and painfully, because we don’t believe in right to die legislation.

      Competition you can “compete” with millions of other Americans for donations to treat your or your loved one’s medical ailments on Gofundme, your new catastrophic health care plan!

      • jesterpunk

        They will just make it harder to file for bankruptcy too since medical bills are the main reason for bankruptcy.

        • Frenchie Renard

          Can confirm, sadly.

    • goonemeritus

      The whole point of drug formularies and in service providers is the insurance companies have already negotiated on your behalf.

      • Non-Threatening Ron

        Psst… they’re not actually very good at that, are they?

    • jesterpunk

      You mean you dont look on the interwebs and decide if your current location is a good place to have a medical emergency?

    • Doug Langley

      Yes, every trip I’ve made to the ER was always an episode of “Let’s Make A Deal!”

      • Non-Threatening Ron

        ‘I’ll go for the doctor behind curtain number three, Wayne.’
        ‘Oh, no, it’s Doctor Nick! It’s a Zonk!’

    • mardam422

      I can see it now. In five years the airwaves will be filled with commercials for doctor’s offices and hospitals that will look like the ads for department stores today.
      Lana: Where did you get your appendectomy, Doris? The scar is so perfect.
      Doris: I went where all the smart people go. I went to United Mercy. Private rooms, free breakfast the day after your operation, and the friendliest staff in the business.
      Lana: I need to have this tumor removed. Should I go to United Mercy?
      Doris: Like I said, smart people, Lana.
      Lana: Oh, Doris!!

      • Lancelot Link

        In five years? Seems you haven’t seen the ads they have out now

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    “…because that’s really where the problem lies, fiscally speaking.”

    “…that’s because really, lies are the problem, fiscally speaking.”
    FIFY

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      you’re not wrong.

  • Thiazin Red

    Just give Fox News and nazi Breitbart a few months where they say that most of the Medicare payments go to black people, or illegal immigrants. Who the fuck cares that its completely not true?

    You’ll have republican voters demanding that those programs be cut, because they would rather lose their safety net than have a minority possibly get something.

  • canes_pugnaces

    It’ll be interesting to wake up again. I feel like this nightmare goes on and on and on…

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      Please do wake up. You’ve dragged the rest of us into your nightmare as well.

  • Ryan is an ass clown of the first water. Who at a college party would be dreaming about hurting poor people?

    • Thiazin Red

      Did he go to 80s movie villain college? I’m pretty sure thats all they talk about there.

    • yyyaz

      An insecure, self-hating POS who went to college only because he was receiving Social Security payments because his daddy died? Just spitballin’ here.

      • therblig

        so, instead of blaming god or being thankful for the safety net that caught him, he decided that one day he’d get his revenge on everyone whose daddy didn’t die?

        what a motherfucking piece of shit.

    • Anne Of Green Bagels

      didn’t Social Security pay for his education?

      • Thiazin Red

        But that was different, he deserved it not like those other icky poor!

        • Anne Of Green Bagels

          takers!

    • Is the term for that “edgelord?” There are plenty of college pukes who offer up that position to try and be edgy, when really they are taking the easy way out through cruelty.

    • Kryptonian Canis

      A zombie-eyed white walker, that’s who.

    • Cosmic Owl

      A fella drunk on beer and Ayn Rand.

      • Non-Threatening Ron

        I know which of those two causes the most long-term damage.

    • jesterpunk

      Grover came up with his “taxes are bad”plan as a kid and stuck with it his whole life. They seem to go with childish understanding of how government works and stick with it.

    • Daniel

      The guy who wasn’t invited and is lurking in the bushes with the easily available gun and the pre-written manifesto.

  • Kryptonian Canis

    The backup insulation against grabbing the third rail is that the Republican Party largely controls the voting apparatus in this country, while Fox & Friends controls the brains of their supporters.

    • h4rr4r

      And they have the votes of a high percentage of the people getting those benefits.

      Every single white person I know with kids on CHIP or similar programs voted for Trump.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        It’s all about their anger and jealousy that the “undeserving people’s” kids get to have it too. (Undeserving meaning black or brown, or “slutty” single moms).

        • h4rr4r

          The white folks I know with kids on CHIP are single mom’s. Only two people, but sold Trump voters. One of them has a half black kid.

  • Oblios_Cap

    They had better not slash my Social Security. I can start drawing it in three years.

    • Crystalclear12

      What Social Security?

    • kilgoretrout

      You can still draw it and hang a picture of it on the wall of your tenement.

      • Oblios_Cap

        I’ll be able to afford shelter?! Thanks, GOP!

        • kilgoretrout

          You get the northeast corner next to Phil and Sylvia.

          • Oblios_Cap

            I’ve bee eyeing a refrigerator box…

    • OutOfOrbit

      the cuts will be waylaid until the voting-age [takers] are mostly dead

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      It’s now re-branded as working at Walmart.

      • Oblios_Cap

        Dear God, No.

        • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

          In my case, very close to it. I’m getting desperate for a job @ 59, pushed out because school district politics run by Democrats. And I thought we were all on the same page. Reality bites. Ageism is a thing. Trust me.

          • Doug Langley

            And don’t get me started why, even with a college degree and years of experience, I’m laboring in a warehouse at 61.

          • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

            I’m with you Doug.

          • Doug Langley

            Great! You can take this pallet of boxes to loading door 8 . . .

          • Oblios_Cap

            I’m about to be downsized at 59 because, Republicans. No one wants a 59 year-old MBA with 2 bachelor degrees. At least, not to pay him anywhere near what they are currently getting. So I feel your pain.

          • kareemachan

            The thing that gets me is that my SO has *so* much experience in his field. Yet, they won’t hire him because of his grey beard.

            Okay, and demands for adequate compensation.

          • kareemachan

            School politics are weird, I’ll be the first liberal to agree with you on that. BUT much of the things decided are those decided by oldsters. They say why should they pay for education when they don’t have kids in school any more.

            AND I totally agree with ageism. My SO has a license in two, count them two, states. All he gets is “We’ll get back to you ASAP.”

    • jesterpunk

      Dont worry, you can get all the guns you want once the GOP finishes loosening or eliminating gun regulations.

  • OutOfOrbit

    Q?: What part of the word “entitlement” does the gop not understand?

    • Kryptonian Canis

      Hey you paid into the system your whole life. But don’t be a greedy-Gus expecting to benefit from it at the end, because now it’s time for Trump’s kids and the Mercers and the Kochs to cash in on all that sweet government cheese.

  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste
  • “Dead-Eyed Paul Ryan” would be fitting if you couldn’t apply it to nearly everyone else in the GOP and the Trump admin. “Dead-Eyed Mike Pence.” “Dead-Eyed Steven Miller/Mnuchin.” and so on. The Dead-Eyed GOP!

    • jodyleek

      It’s not just their eyes that are dead.

    • FukuiSanYesOta

      Dead Eyed Ryan, Paul

      • george lastrapes

        For cryin’ out loud,
        Fuck Ryan out loud.

      • mardam422

        ISWYDT.

    • Daniel

      Mike Pence is “dot-eyed”. Stephen Miller is “eyes like pencil holes in blue-tac”. Mnuchin has eyes like marbles that only light up in the presence of money.

  • Persistent Tennessee Rain

    I hate that smarmy little fucker

    • yyyaz

      The heat of a few large galaxies isn’t enough to describe the hate I have for the whole villainous lot who have debased our country to the point it will not recover in my lifetime.

  • Jmom

    The problem is that they only have a short amount of time to get their agenda through. And they don’t give a damn about what their base or voters think. If they are not re-elected they all get lobbying jobs. WinWin for them!

    • yyyaz

      Bonus: all the tax munnies they just gave away to the Owner Class™ means their new salaries will dwarf the pittances they’re forced to live on now. As if a Congresscritter’s salary and perks could be considered enough to live on, jeez.

      • Jmom

        IKR?! They must make at least 5 million for the estate benefit.

      • Doug Langley

        Who was it whining that Congresspeople need a housing subsidy cuz they just can’t live on their puny pay?

  • Tetman Callis

    Competition will be brought to entitlement programs. We can probably round up enough torches (not those nazi fanboy tiki toys, those won’t do the trick), though we are probably going to come up short on pitchforks. Reckon we’ll just have to use guns.

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

  • BadKitty904
  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    How long have we heard this BS from Mr. BS and the rest of the right? They certainly don’t offer the public a very wide range of ideas, just the same old shit, different day. JFC, if choice and competition are good, GETS SOME NEW IDEAS!

  • TJ Barke

    The problem is lies, fiscally speaking.

  • goonemeritus

    Clearly the old and sick have had it too good for too long.

    • Daniel

      If only the GOP believed in climate change they might have saved enough ice floes to sail them out on.

      • Non-Threatening Ron

        It’s okay, I found a whole bunch!
        – Rupert ‘Good thing I own more than one house’ Murdoch

  • Michael Smith

    “And they are stupid.”

    Hahaha Ike.

    But, no, Ike the splinter group in the GOP was enraged by this very attitude held by you and “mainstream” Republicans, and they slowly used demagoguery to push the party’s mainstream in their direction. Now the party is absolutely batshit. Your average middle class republican voter in 2017 hates government assistance to workers as much as a CEO in 1952 did, if not more so.

    • Arolpin

      Your average middle class republican voter in 2017 hates government
      assistance to workers THAT EXPLICITLY HELP THOSE SAME WORKERS* as much as a CEO in 1952 did, if not more so.
      FIFY

      *See unemployed coal miners not accepting free job training, for jobs that pay more than coal mining jobs, and actually exists

      • kilgoretrout

        I blame country music. And Billy Joel’s Allentown song.

        • Arolpin

          Yet another reason to hate Billy Joel. I would say the day isn’t a complete waste, but I already hated Billy Joel for that song (well, for pretty much every song he ever did, but especially Allentown and We Didn’t Light Ourselves on Fire or whatever).

          • mailman27

            The one that just listed a bunch of cities? Oh, please, drive an ice pick through my ear drums right now!

  • mardam422

    Grandpa, Paul Ryan told me I was gonna get a good job with high wages. But he says now that the only way that will happen is if you live in your car and eat catfood. You understand, don’t you. I mean, I have no choice. Here, take this can opener. Now GTFO.

  • kilgoretrout

    Remember that photo of the Lower East side street urchins playing in the gutter next to the dead horse? That’s our future.

    • altleftjohn

      Well, look on the bright side. . . we could eat the dead horse.

      • kilgoretrout

        But it looks kinda rotten. I guess we could call it finely aged.

      • TJ Barke

        Unfortunately, you can’t eat a dead car.

        • Arolpin

          Leon Sampson begs to differ. And Micheal Lotito would too if those bastards at Guinness hadn’t ended the record for eating a car.

      • yyyaz

        It will be illegal, count on it.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      We need a Jacob Riis for Instagram.

  • Scooby

    He’s right, how else are we going to pay for war with Iran, NK and China.

    • kilgoretrout

      The blood of 18-year-olds?

      • Oblios_Cap

        That costs less than the weapons.

    • JohnBull

      Throw people at it. Stalin didn’t have money to fight the nazis. But twenty million people can wear down almost anyone.

      • Scooby

        I think China is going to win that one.

  • Parakeetist

    Paul Ryan eats people.

    • JohnBull

      So does Roy Moore.

    • ariel_gee_398

      You’re lucky if you’re one of the ones he decides to eat – at least he has an incentive to keep you from starving before he dines.

    • Daniel

      Libel.

      He mixes them into a protein shake as part of a calorie controlled diet.

      • TJ Barke

        But he skips leg day.

    • yyyaz

      There is a part of my anatomy that he can eat one lick at a time. As long as I am unconscious while he does it.

  • canes_pugnaces

    The liberal media has bought into the notion that they must be fair and air ‘differing’ [read: conservative] views. The conservative media plays by a different set of rules, and they cry crocodile tears when they are criticized. It really is past time to admit we’re a divided nation, get off our collective asses, and fuck the GOP.

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      Could be, we have never been a nation. Because it was never really meant to be a multi-ethnic republic but rather a whites-only golf ‘n god club.

      • ((( Augustus )))

        probably shouldn’t have imported by force over centuries so many people of multiple ethnicities if that’s what they wanted

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          They never intended for the forcibly-imported human livestock to vote. Let alone the forcibly-shackled brood mares called “wives.”

        • chortlingdingo

          Or, you know, set up the club where people were already living.

    • GoutMachine

      I have to hand it to them, the GOP really does know how to work the refs.

  • OutOfOrbit

    pitchforks & torches have been upgraded to (banhammer)s and (banhammer)s. btw, the recipe for napalm is (banhammered) and both ingredients are available at you local convenience store

    • Daniel

      Your convenience store of votes.

    • therblig
      • Arolpin

        Is that from the Ken & Barbie Murders or should I get the reference?

        • MynameisBlarney

          Terminator.

          • Aww the K and B confusion was the first grin I had all day.

          • clubseal

            But I hardly know ‘er

          • Arolpin

            OK, now it makes sense. It’s been a couple years since I saw the original. I watched Terminator 2 with the Arol-twins a couple months ago, and I forgot how young Sarah Conner looked in the original vs. the sequel.

        • therblig

          Terminator – making plastique from hardware and grocery store ingredients.

    • yyyaz

      Is Ivory Snow still a thing?

  • JoeChristmas

    When do we get our coupons?

    • kilgoretrout

      During the 12 Days of Christmas

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      2 for 1 on MRIs.

      • yyyaz

        My (current) Medicare co-pay on those would be only $1200! Which is why I am postponing the one I need now indefinitely.

  • Relativicus

    I anticipate the people I know who say such things will pick up the ol’ “we’re broke!” mating call shortly after the New Year.

  • Johnatx

    They will keep voting for anyone with a R after their name. It’s a fucking cult.

  • freakishlypersistent

    If they’re upset about all the thugs in their pussy hats now, just wait until people like me, who’ve paid in for 40 years, get told that Paul Lyan just made me work until I die. The Unrest. It won’t be civil.

    • kilgoretrout

      I am counting on Social Security since I’ve paid in for almost 40 years. If they fuck with it then shit’s going down.

      • freakishlypersistent

        So true. If I have no hope of having at least a dignified if lessened retirement, I don’t really care what happens to me.

        • kilgoretrout

          Yeah, freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.

          • Oblios_Cap

            Who is freer than a dead man?

      • yyyaz

        Unless you can afford a $30,000/year health-insurance policy when you retire, your Social Security won’t mean shit when Medicare is gone.

        • Marion in Savannah

          Too, too true. I’m already planning on telling my docs, if I should get something “too expensive,” like cancer, that I’m simply going to opt for palliative care and death. It’s a win-win — I won’t be bankrupting myself (I have a will and I’d like those in it to actually, you know, get something out of it), and I won’t have to live to see any more of the world we’re heading into.

      • Arolpin

        Hell, I’m not even 50 and I’ve been paying into it pretty much year-round for 35 years. I’ve already paid in more than I could ever expect to get out of it, and I’m OK with continuing to pay into it, because I understand math and societal benefits, but there better fucking be some benefits when I retire, or Paul Fucking Ryan better go fucking Galt before I find him.

    • Amen to that!

    • kilgoretrout

      65 is the new 20 (year old radical)

    • Tetman Callis

      Wait till they default on the national debt, the bottom falls out of the dollar, and we all get to emulate Russia 98. Oh, but not all of us, my mistake — those with the means can always switch in a flash to other currencies.

  • jesterpunk

    OT but is anyone surprised by this?

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nick-sarah-jensen-divorce-gay-marriage_us_5a296d31e4b0fa798612bd71

    An Australian couple who vowed two years ago to divorce if the country legalized same-sex marriage is now backtracking on their promise.

    In 2015, Nick Jensen wrote in an op-ed for the Canberra City News that he and his wife, Sarah, would, “as a matter of conscience, refuse to recognize the government’s regulation of marriage if its definition includes the solemnization of same sex couples.”

    The letter received international attention then, and wasn’t forgotten when the Australian Parliament passed a bill on Thursday to legalize same-sex marriage.

    Now, many are wondering when the Jensens are going to call it quits. There’s even a Facebook group called “Celebrating Nick and Sarah’s Divorce” dedicated to the big day.

    However, it doesn’t look like the Jensens plan to follow through with their divorce decree.

    “My previous public comments regarding civil divorce never envisaged me separating from my wife, but rather our marriage from the state,” Nick Jensen told News.com.au. ”The legislation currently makes it untenable for us to do this under the law.”

    • TJ Barke

      *yooge fucking eyeroll*

    • therblig

      another principled religious bigot.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      I’m offended they would try to change the meaning of traditional divorce. It’s supposed to be between one man and one frozen dinner!

    • Dudleydidwrong

      “Jensen big smoke but no fire,” said the Aboriginal. The wallaby nodded assent. The kangaroo was unavailable for comment because he and the pig were busy.

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      Another Profile In Courage.

  • Belasaurius

    FUCK HIM. FUCK THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR HIM. FUCK THE PEOPLE WHO THINK LIKE HIM.

    • Tetman Callis

      FUCK THE PEOPLE WHO FUCK LIKE HIM. FUCK THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE HIS FUCKING. FUCK IT, FUCK THE FUCKING FUCKED FUCKERS IN THEIR FUCKS.

      There. Bases covered. If I missed a spot, please feel free to fill it in.

      • Marion in Savannah

        Needs moar bold, italics, and exclamation points. Other than that you covered all the bases.

  • OrG

    This is not going to end well.

    • Crystalclear12

      Sorry, what was that?
      I was busy making torches.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      My grinder wheel is in need of replacement after sharpening all of the tines on all of those pitchforks. Say again what you said about “end,” as that’s where I want to start using the pitchforks.

  • freakishlypersistent

    I keep telling all the people I know who are Republicans, (dwindling), that their fucking lazy asses need to be out in the streets with us. The cruel, hateful shit these assholes are passing does not specify benefit cuts by party, not yet, anyway. Republicans will keep doing this shit until their idiots are protesting them as well. It shouldn’t always have to be US, fighting for their bennies as well.

  • TJ Barke

    Bye bye New Deal, hello corporate feudalism.

  • JohnBull

    Ironic that the “entitled” Millennials are the ones who won’t be getting any entitlements. Not that this will change the fucking narrative.

    • TJ Barke

      Note: “entitlement” means anyone standing up for a fair shake.

      • Bitter Scribe

        “Entitlement” means something that is earned. If I pay X number of dollars into the Social Security system on the understanding that I will get Y number of dollars when I retire, and then I get Y minus whatever Paul Ryan thinks I shouldn’t have, that is called “welshing.”

        • Non-Threatening Ron

          Or ‘grand theft.’

      • ((( Augustus )))

        it’s like “law and order”

        “conservative”

        “Christian”

        “liberal media”

        it’s 150% pure grade A bullshit and no one in power ever, ever calls it out

  • OrG

    THEY ARE NOT ENTITLEMENTS!
    THEY ARE EARNED BENEFITS!

    • Crystalclear12

      en·ti·tle·ment
      inˈtīdlmənt,enˈtīdlmənt/Submit
      noun
      the fact of having a right to something.
      “full entitlement to fees and maintenance should be offered”
      synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More
      the amount to which a person has a right.
      “annual leave entitlement”

      Problem is we let them warp that word.

      • Oblios_Cap

        Just like Cost of Living Allowances are now “Raises” in GOP land.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Entitlements are things like churches not paying taxes.

  • ltmcdies

    OT….a little cheer courtesy of the Boys Kenyan Choir….at the Ottawa airport
    https://twitter.com/WestJet/status/938846082611625984

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      Whew, for a sec I thought they were outside.

    • Cock Blockula

      I like choirs that can both sing AND dance!

  • MynameisBlarney

    Behind the gif.
    Because, shit’s fucked up and I need a chuckle.

    https://katraccoon.com/

  • Ωbjectifier

    Remember when cuts to Social Security and Medicare were supposed to be the “third rail” of American politics, something Republicans couldn’t touch without getting electrocuted? They seem to think their huge tax cuts will turn the power off so they can fiddle around with those essential programs. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c7a2e81da5e73f39e190331bb1599e14492d83e1cb5b62383f745e4c87669991.jpg

  • cheetojeebus

    Go ahead, talk all about cutting social security and medicare right up to election day next Fall motherfuckingshitgibbondickwadfuckingfucker see who’s the majority leader after that.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      They’ll stop talking about those things about a month before the election and assume that the voters will forget about it. They’ll use dog whistles and secret Republican decoder ring code but won’t mention it overtly until the electorate, having gone to sleep murmuring “Benghazi” and “emails,” etc. wakes up to find themselves fucked beyond repair without any lube.

  • Joe Beese

    Charles Pierce:

    There is no commonly accepted Moral High Ground left to occupy anymore, and to pretend one exists is to live in a masturbatory fantasyland. It’s like lining yourself up behind Miss Manners in a political debate against Machiavelli. Until the Democrats are willing to think asymmetrically about the very real political danger posed by the president* and his party, the danger will grow until it becomes uncontrollable, and that point is coming very soon, I fear. By the time the Democrats admit to themselves that their political opposition has moved so far beyond shame that it can’t even see Richard Nixon any more, the damage wrought to our political institutions may be beyond repair.

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a14381583/al-franken-resign-moral-high-ground/

    • Tetman Callis

      When the termite infestation gets too bad, all you can do is tear down the structure and build a new one.

      Hang on, kids, this could be a bumpy ride.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      The problem with getting your hands dirty, though, is that it rarely stops at your hands.

  • cheetojeebus

    No longer difficult for R’s:
    pedophilia
    planning shit with fucking Russian spies
    sexual assault
    cutting Social Security
    what the fuck does that leave?

    • MynameisBlarney

      Death squads and concentration camps.

      • Paperless Tiger

        So far it’s just concealed carry for gun fanatics and mass incarceration in private prisons for minorities, but we’re getting there.

      • Thiazin Red

        The president already said Duarte was a cool guy, so death squads are fine now.

      • Non-Threatening Ron

        Donnie’s new SS will take care of that first one.

    • Crystalclear12

      Necrophilia, hence the need to produce dead people.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Shooting the poor on Fifth Avenue?

  • Anna Rompage

    Guillotines, get your hand made, fully functional guillotines right here…..

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      I’m tired of waiting for mine to be delivered. I’m just gonna sharpen my machete. You know, in case I have to hack my way through the jungle later.

  • Ωbjectifier
    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      He sure is a Rand-y feller, isn’t he.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    I knew grandma Millie back in the day. I know grandma Millie today. Paul Ryan has NO chance with grandma Millie. Grandma Millie has standards.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Oblios_Cap

    Grandma Tillie would never fuck Paul Ryan.

    • Resistor Radio

      Grandma Tilly may be kinky, but she ain’t no freak!

  • Viktor

    Entitlement reform, meaning no more tax payer funded private flights for cowboy hat guy and his wife to destroy the national parks? Or the tax payed funded Trump golf outings?

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Now, let’s not be silly!

    • jesterpunk

      Woah woah woah, that is crazy talk. They deserve those benefits and those lazy moochers who chose not to be born rich don’t.

  • JD Mulvey

    Oh they are cutting off funding for mass transit.

    But that’s not what’s got me fuming this morning. Today’s fume is over threats to cut the voucher program that’s been succeeding in getting homeless veterans off the streets.

    Homeless…

    veterans.

    Let’s let that sink in for a moment.

    Ben Carson says helping vets get off the streets is “the old paradigm of dumping money on problems.”

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      Instead they’ll dump thoughts and prayers, I’m sure.

    • ((( Augustus )))

      the new paradigm is FUCK YOU I’MMA GET MINE

    • Resistor Radio

      Support the troops, my ass

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Mass transit?

      LET THEM EAT CHEVYS!

    • Bananas Foster

      Right, because money never helped anyone get a roof over their head.

      Ever.

      (Now, it is more complicated than money, because some homeless people need a lot of outreach, support, counseling, meds etc. before they’re remotely capable of functioning well enough to navigate a housing system, but money still fucking helps.)

      • JD Mulvey

        Ben paid his rent with bootstraps and gumption!!

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          And JESUS! Don’t forget thoughts and prayers to JESUS!

          • therblig

            and stabbing! lots of stabbing!!

      • JD Mulvey

        The only model that is proven to help homeless people is called “Housing First,” and it’s based on the exact opposite of what you’re saying.

        That is, for people living on the streets, the deprivation and trauma that’s a normal part of their existence exacerbates any other issues they have –mental illness, addiction, women getting out of the sex trade, etc.

        The cure for homelessness is a home, FIRST. With it, people can begin to address other issues they may be having. Without it, other help is doomed to fail.

        • Bananas Foster

          That model does work.

          I wasn’t talking about that.

          What I was mentioning is the subset of homeless people who are no longer able to really function in society and are incapable of adhering to the rules that they normally have to follow to attain/retain housing. People who choose to live on the street, in other words, and need more outreach. This is a problem that just throwing housing dollars at doesn’t work.

    • Frenchie Renard

      You’ll be glad to know they chuckle-shuffled Carson away and Dr. Shulkin completely walked back Ben’s looney-tunes “threat”. Not happening.

      • JD Mulvey

        Not happening, for now. These people don’t take anything off the table once it’s there. I will guarantee that this comes back when they think they can get away with it.

    • Arolpin

      So I guess they want to cancel the ‘tax cut’ because all that does is dump money on people who already have money, by taking it from those who don’t.

  • Resistor Radio

    OT: just got an unsolicited email from a credit card company I’ve never heard of telling me
    “We’re stoked to inform you we’re raising your limit to $, just click here!”

    Seems totally legit, huh? They’re “stoked!”

    • Andre

      Dude, I’m so stoked that they are stoked for you. You should totally click on that link. It will be like the Instokening.

      • Resistor Radio

        That’d be hella gnarly, brah!

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Forward it to Paul Ryan. He’ll believe anything.

    • NastyBossetti

      Are you sure they’re not just trying to sell you a snowboard?

      • Resistor Radio

        I’ll let you know, I’m giving them all my personal information right now. :p

    • OutOfOrbit

      a bran stokes reference mebbee

      • Resistor Radio

        I’ve not yet reached the age where I need bran flakes to stay regular.

        • OutOfOrbit

          r.e. Stokes the writer

          • Resistor Radio

            (I know, I was free-associating. Poorly.)

          • OutOfOrbit

            WUT?! why, this is a outrage! meat me in the alley naked & we sort this out the hard way

          • Resistor Radio

            Oooooo, dirty!

          • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

            Well, I’ve seen enough of the internet to know how that’s gonna shake out…

          • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

            Or Stoker?

        • Non-Threatening Ron

          Be glad. Be very glad.
          Which reminds me, I’m out of date-filled cookies again.

          • Resistor Radio

            I bet someone on this here recipe hub has got some good baking ideas for ya.

          • Non-Threatening Ron

            I’m waiting with anticipation. My Better Homes And Gardens New Cook Book (the book I ate from until I was 22) is kind of indifferent about desserts.

          • Resistor Radio

            Did you eat the pages with the pretty pictures? Yum!

          • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

            Date Newtons?

          • Non-Threatening Ron

            I wish. Last time I had those would have been 1977 or thereabouts.

    • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

      Steak and Lobster on you!

      • Resistor Radio

        And all the cakes we like, topped with gold flake and designs advocating ghey secks!

    • Aunt PithyPat

      Seems totally Millennial, that’s for sure.

    • SeeTrainOffTheRails

      Could have my spam emails.

      Yes. I get it. I’m fucking old. Thanks, Yahoo! Mail!
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4e1e3ed16b6cf07d1ade0a60f1a576a34228b20aaa73a9bf6cdd9838f05776ef.png

      • Resistor Radio

        Aw, that’s kinda sweet that yahoo is concerned about your urinary health.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • Resistor Radio

      So we’ve lifted the ban on granny trophy imports, too?

      • Bill D. Burger

        Imagine how excited the Trump spawn, Huey & Dewey, will be.

        • Resistor Radio

          It’ll have to tide them over until Puerto Rico is rebranded as Most Dangerous Game Island.

    • Lance Thrustwell
      • Jesus, is that Ryan squeezing on Rep. Virginia Foxx again?

        That’s enough Ryan and Foxx for me.

      • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

        “You’ll have a warm glass of shut the hell up” would be a better caption, methinks….
        [sorry for invoking Adam Sandler, but he does have some funny lines…]

    • The top pic shows my US Rep. Virginia Foxx copping a feel of Mr. 93x.

      I’d put her up for Legislative Shitmuffin of the Year anytime.

  • GoutMachine

    Ah, Eisenhower. The last sane Republican.

  • Bill D. Burger

    Well, it’s about time. Corporations are people too, my friend___ and we need to be kind & gentle with them.
    The Trump admin is easing the policing of Wall Street and big ol’ wonderful banks.

    —Treasury making it harder to label firms “too big to fail”
    —Banking regulator now more forgiving of enforcing laws with big banks
    —SEC curbing power of regional directors to issue subpoenas

    [Casting Wall Street as Victim, Trump Leads Deregulatory Charge
    By MATTHEW GOLDSTEIN and STACY COWLEYNOV. 27, 2017]

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/business/financial-regulation-rollback-trump.html

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      See? Economic prosperity is just around the corner, you Doubting Doras!

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      The guy who is CEO of the firm that Reddit’s Ellen Pao sued for harassment wrote an op-ed in (of course) WSJ during Occupy Wall Street that hostility towards banks and the rich is literally the same thing as Kristallnacht.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/progressive-kristallnacht-coming-1390600169

      If anyone can figure out how to subvert the paywall, there’s the link.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Thiazin Red

    My great aunt is 92 this year, she loves to party and she would never fuck Paul Ryan.

  • Anne Of Green Bagels

    meanwhile in the alternate universe of, ahem, “moderate” Republicans… http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/flake-collins-promises-tax-bill-daca

    • SayItWithWookies

      They held their noses and voted yes, all for a promise from Mitch that he’ll bring up a bill that he doesn’t want passed, at some time in the future. I am shocked — shocked that this miscarriage of decorum has taken place.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        At least the Native Americans got some beads out of the deal for Manhattan.

      • Anne Of Green Bagels

        the part that really pisses me off is the grand finale where they all get to play victim.

  • Joe Beese

    Franken made it clear that he doesn’t think he did anything wrong. The women accusing him are either making “allegations that are not true” or “remembering things differently”.

    What about the women in his party, his colleagues in the Senate, who all stood up yesterday to tell him he needed to leave?

    Are they also committing an injustice against women’s champion, as he sees himself, Al Franken?

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Were they there?
      Do they have inside information?

    • Anna Rompage

      Isn’t there a Franken story somewhere down below that you can go vent your frustrations on?

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        Oh God, don’t make me go back there.

    • jowgajen

      Did he kick your puppy or something? You seem a little overly focused on Franken.

    • Thiazin Red

      Can we contain this to the thread about this topic?

    • OutOfOrbit

      have these same women also banded together and collectively called for the tRumpsterfire to resign?

      • MynameisBlarney

        Or Moore, or whats-his-face from Tejas….the ducky pajama creepy fucker…

    • Resistor Radio

      The important thing is that the Franken story has sucked all the air out of the room and nobody is shaming Alabama into voting against Roy Moore. Neat.

    • MynameisBlarney
  • Mr. Blobfish

    As long as a portion of the white population believe Democrats will take your guns, make you gay-marry an abortion doctor, give all your jobs to Mexicans, give all your welfare to African-Americans and make you Muslim, Republicans will be free to slash and burn America.

    • therblig

      is the abortion doctor tall and handsome?

      asking for a friend.

      • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

        I now want to print up business cards:

        Dr. Nigel R. Toppinglift, III, M.D.
        Abortion Doctor

    • Thiazin Red

      I heard that the abortion doctor will also replace all your white fetuses with muslim anchor babies!

  • jesterpunk

    I think everyone is missing the big picture here. Sure the poor will pay more taxes and no one will have health insurance and the Middle East and Asia are going to hell and social security is going to be cut. But Susan Sarandon is getting a tax cut and she gets to be smug about it. Why won’t anyone think of her feelings?

    • Prollynottoday

      I would but I don’t even know who that is.

    • BJW

      After reading about how she thinks Hillary would’ve been worse and gotten us into a war? She can go take a short walk off a long cliff. (With votes.)

      • jesterpunk

        Wouldn’t it be a long walk off a short cliff?

        • BJW

          Probably…I don’t brain too gud.

        • BJW

          I accidentally deleted. But you’re right…and I even thought that is what I posted. D’oh! This is what approaching near senior citizen status does.

  • VirginiaCannedYuleLog

    This is why it doesn’t feel like the holidays. Come on and get here 2018! November 2018 to be exact.

  • Royal Ugly Dude

    My like of Ike has been growing as of late.

    • ((( Augustus )))

      he told us to watch out for the Military Industrial Complex

      Ike knew what the fuck he was talking about

  • SayItWithWookies

    Paul Ryan despises the government — the one he’s been working for most of his adult life.

    • OutOfOrbit

      also the one that kept him in food, clothing, shelter, medical care and school FOR HOW FUCKING LONG?!

      • vivian

        until he started to work there

    • Paperless Tiger

      Someone should tell him that wrecking the government won’t fix his father complex.

  • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

    Ike? He was a Republican!

    Many, many people on one side would rather not admit to that.

    Personally, I’d rather have Ike be in charge of things around here.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7f2ab5d9d93061aa1441b0b777b5a27a7578b10627ea6f9b553f08e933594ce7.png

    …as Her Majesty’s appointed unitary leader of the British Protectorate of Lesser Canada.

    • Poly_Ester

      He’s now known ia s a “New Deal” Republican.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Or “Jew Deal.” You’d be surprised the number of Brainfarters and ‘chan scum who dedicate entire multipage threads to playing Ancestry detective and offering up various arguments for why the Roosevelts (aka “Rosenfelds”) and Eisenhower (aka “Eisenhauer”) were totally (((cryptos))) because blah blah libruhl commies and Ike only fought in the war because he believed Hitler did something wrong.

        Actually, no — you’re probably not surprised. It is the Trumpublican Party, after all. The party of Sergeant Schultzes who know nothing and see nothing about David Duke and who believe that many, many good people on all sides had nothing to do with Nazis, believe me.

      • Rags

        He was recruited by both parties.

    • Prollynottoday

      Hey we’re not Lesser Canada YET ! Give us a few years. Or months. Or weeks.
      Or at least until I can stock up on beer and canned beans !

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Hopefully our colonial masters will throw us a few cannabis seeds to sow for the government plantation…

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      Well Ike’s birth parents were Canadian.

  • Royal Ugly Dude

    that will help not just make Medicaid less expensive

    Zombie-eyed granny starver says what?

  • CATMAN

    “patient centered system” is Ryanspeak for “it is centered upon the patient’s ability to pay, thus no money–no health care” These guys have been gunning for Social Security and Medicare since they had their first erection

  • Michael R
  • Poly_Ester

    Did Paul return to the US Treasury those Social Security Survivor’s benefit he once accepted?

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      Hahahahha…he’s a Rethuglican.

  • Michael R

    When Paul Ryan entered Congress in 1999, he wasn’t one of the richest lawmakers, with an average net worth of just $382,865. Ryan’s limited — by congressional standards — wealth came from his involvement in two investment partnerships and his family’s construction business. As of 2011, however, the presumptive Republican vice presidential nominee was worth an average of $4.9 million.

    The massive increase in Ryan’s bottom line didn’t come through exploiting his position for personal gain, the way in which most people think congressmen make money.
    Instead, he made his money the old fashioned way:

    He married into it.

    • wait! what?

      Does that count as turning into the skid?

      • James Smith

        Depends on the bend

  • chortlingdingo

    I’m so tired of the blatant lies and hypocrisy. And that so many people keep buying it.

  • Ron Spangler

    It is unfolding just as Charles P. Pierce predicted it would.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    They just made us sacrifice one of our icons. They better not fuck with us anymore.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      that’s our own fault…they knew once they got the ball rolling on franken, that we would do a better job of kicking his ass than they ever could…we really have to stop eating our own…this going high when they go low bullshit just aint fuckin workin

  • jesterpunk
  • Spurning Beer

    I sent Marco a scathing email about his remarks about “reforming” SS and Medicare last week. I guess I need to keep it up.

    As many old folks as there are in South Florida, you’d think he’d know better than to say the quiet parts loud.

    • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

      It does have a certain “Hold my beer while I piss on the third rail” quality to it, no?

      • Rags

        Unfortunately, according to Mythbusters, pissing on the third rail does not present a hazard. Guess R’s watch the show too

    • James Smith

      If they vote Democrat, he doesn’t care.

  • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

    I try to ‘splain to folks that the Eisenhower model of republicanism would be significantly more welcome than whateverhtefuck we have had the past 20-ish years? (30? OK, 30.)

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      50. Don’t forget Nixon.

      • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

        Ah – fair point. I was only going back to Sir Ronald of Regan.

  • Lefty Wright

    Right. The thirty year old Republicans, including the ones working part time in construction or auto body work, don’t think they will get old. Which might be the case when they die from poisonous fumes and lack of safety equipment. The problem is, they will need health care over the few years before they die at age 57.

  • cmd resistor

    OT, but another school shooting, not dramatic enough to be a big news story, I guess. Only 2 dead students plus the shooter. New Mexico.

    • ((( Augustus )))

      2 dead students barely even registers, sadly

    • theblackdog

      Fuck!

    • chazmanr

      Didn’t make the news? Were the students African-American?

    • Yellerduck

      Obviously New Mexico needs more guns.

    • SeeTrainOffTheRails

      Just another day ending in “Why?,” thanks to the caring folks at the NRA.

  • Paperless Tiger

    The voters wanted to shake thing up, but the Republicans are shaking them down. I don’t look for any great enlightenment, but I think the anger will shift toward the party in power. They’re sure asking for it.

    • chazmanr

      Since when have GOP voters not been able to find a justification to vote against their own self interests? See also Alabama.

  • TootsStansbury

    It’s not an entitlement, you smarmy little shit. Whenever one of these snotweasles says “Reforms” it really means give shit to the rich by stealing from everyone else.

    Entitlement my ass. It’s my money you are stealing.

    • ((( Augustus )))

      by the time enough of us get mad enough to do anything about this shit, I fear, it will be too late

      because they are straight-up just looting and pillaging

    • CATMAN

      “Reform” is what occurs between pig and sausage

    • Edith Prickly

      That an entitled fucker like Ryan would sneer at other people needing the same benefits that his family got after his father died – (redacted) with votes.

    • James Smith

      I prefer the term shitweasal

  • susan_g

    The House Republican tax bill would eliminate the deduction for personal
    losses from wildfires, earthquakes (because California) but keep
    the break for victims of the recent severe hurricanes (because Texas/Florida). There is no end to their fuckery.

    • ((( Augustus )))

      it’s all because they are fucking stupid and we tell them they are fucking stupid and it hurts their feelings

    • Bemused

      Did they forget that Texas burns sometimes?

      • chazmanr

        Probably, not. Nice state you got there Texas, hope it doesn’t burn to the ground.

      • Ωbjectifier

        It explodes also, too.

      • Suttree

        Mr. SMRT Glasses prayed that away.

      • They are hoping it does not do so before 18

      • this country says it’s about

        And Florida, occasionally

  • Entitlement? I am no Entitlement!
    You’re the Entitlement!

    I am, in fact, an Earned Benefit…

  • chazmanr

    “Choice and competition brings down prices and improves quality”

    Maybe in the manufacturing sector, but not in medicine. Competition is why two hospitals in a town of 30,000 people both have multi-million dollar diagnostic equipment (eg MRI) that largely sits unused most of the time, because their isn’t much demand. Both hospitals have to have one to be competitive with each other, even if the town only needs one. Now both hospitals have to pass the costs of that equipment onto all patients even those not receiving tests using that equipment. The other big driver continues to be uninsured. When uninsured ER patients can’t pay their own bills, we pay for them by being charged $75 for a roll of gauze that costs $3 at a drug store. It isn’t lack of competition that is driving medical costs. In many cities, you can’t get an appointment with a specialist without waiting weeks, because there aren’t enough medical providers.

    • James Smith

      Glad I’m canadian.

  • theblackdog

    My dad and I were talking the other night and he said that this is exactly what they were going to do if they manage to get the trump tax cuts all the way through. Besides that, he also predicts they’ll remove the rule saying that ERs have to treat anyone who comes through their doors, so we’ll be back to the days when hospitals could turn anyone away for not having insurance or money.

    Seems like with the way things are going he could be right.

  • Rick Hill

    I wonder how the economy will buzz along when the spending power of seniors are impacted, they are less able to care for themselves until the cost of treatment is astronomical, when families will have to live with their elder parents, when they’ll go bankrupt just maintaining an acceptable standard of living…….

    • Suttree

      Everything will have magically trickled down by then! Duh

      • Rick Hill

        And they will have that soylent recipe perfected.

      • HooverVilles

        Tinkled down is more correct.

  • Suttree

    Since I’m a poor and on Medicaid now, I have much better health insurance than when I wash working 40+ hours which broke my back and made me poor. Fuck you with the third rail Ryan, et al.

    • everyone on ACA medicaid has much better health insurance than those of us struggling with the thin gruel of the individual market. even after obama.

      i told mr fuflans i would totally pay $300 / month to BUY medicaid.

  • Ellie

    He isn’t interested in choice, he’s interested in killing me; me and millions who are sick and poor.

  • James Smith

    Choice brings down costs?

    News to this Canadian. We have lower drug prices and lower per capita health costs.

  • Bemused

    Health care entitlements are NOT the biggest driver of our debt. Republican unwillingness to PAY FOR ANYTHING is.

    • unionthuggery

      They’ve even refused to pay for those wars they like.

  • Tj McGee Wright

    Surely the ‘fiscally responsible’ thing would be to kill grandma and welfare baby (but definitely no fetuses!!!) first, THEN use your available monopoly money to help GOP donors? Did this dipshit even read Atlas Shrugged to the end?!?

  • kLo

    I live in SE Wisconsin inside Jim Sensenbrenner’s district. Ryan’s district is just to the south of me. I hope 2018 the fucking year we elect both of them out. Randy Bryce has a chance against Ryan.

    • keep whispering those sweet sweet nothings in my ear.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    Here is a good article I bookmarked in 2011. I can’t say it this good so I will quote.
    Pay Back the Money Borrowed From Social Security
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-don-riegle/post_1901_b_845106.html

    It would be very unpopular for the opponents to simply state that their goal is to reduce or eliminate Social Security, requiring politicians to eat from a poison apple. Instead, the opponents try to create false fear about the future of Social Security by making it seem as if the program contributes to the nation’s budget deficit and debt. The same Wall Street firms that needed the taxpayers to bail them out…are conducting a massive lobbying campaign to reduce Social Security protections for working Americans and their families by claiming it is a way to lower the federal budget deficit.

    The opponents’ tactic of setting up Social Security as a false culprit in the deficit problem diverts attention away from the real causes of the deficit — two wars not paid for, the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and the costs associated with the economic crisis, such as the Wall Street bailout. If the opponents of Social Security are able to cut Social Security’s benefits, they will accomplish two objectives: (1) reducing Social Security protections while driving retirees into the hands of Wall Street; and (2) hiding the real causes of the deficit and the debt from honest budgetary scrutiny. A look at their claims about Social Security and the budget reveals the falsehoods they continue to promote.

  • Wes

    “Fiscally speaking” it’s the $600+ billion we spend on the military.

  • covfefesumgame0005

    hey, Paul,, I paid my taxes for 45 YEARS , my SS is not an “entitlement” you jacka$$, it is MY MONEY!

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    Why do we have Social Security and Medicare?

    Because until the early 1930s, all we had available to take care of old folks in their so-called golden years was “choice and competition.”

    That meant that a bank failure—quite common, in the era of unregulated banking and regular boom-and-bust business cycles (an Enron or Madoff-level event every couple of years)—could wipe out Gran’s life savings, and everything she had ever worked for, including the roof over her head.

    If her children could not afford to take her in—and in an era of 20% unemployment, yeah, the kids often had to spend too much time collecting coal along the railroad tracks or standing in soup lines or hitching rides on railroad cars going from state to state in search of work, to do a good job of taking care of Gran—-then she had no option but to go into a county home or poor farm. (Well, she had an option: but was “dying in the street,” not anyone’s first choice.)

    These places were contracted out to the lowest bidder, so the odds were good that she was going to spend the rest of her life in cold, hungry, dirty misery, but yeeeeeaaaahhh—“choice and competition.”

    Anyhow, old folks were dying because of the Freedom Agenda, so Roosevelt and the Democrats gave us Social Security. Oh yeah, and banking regulations. And a lot of other good stuff.

    The American people were so horrified by all this “socialism” that they re-elected Roosevelt three more times, and would have gone on electing him forever, only he died.

    As for Medicare, that was another Democratic president, the considerably under-esteemed Lyndon Baines Johnson, and another Democratic Congress, expanding the Social Security act in order to provide health insurance coverage for old people so they wouldn’t be buried by medical debt, or die prematurely of untreated pneumonia, or live out their last years suffering lancinating pain from untreated arthritis, or blindness from untreated glaucoma—little things like that.

    And again, even Republican voters were so outraged by this shameless encroachment of “socialism” on a free, capitalist society, this flagrant violation of the Freedom Agenda, that they literally made death threats to any Republican politician who hinted or whispered at the possibility of taking away their Medicare benefits.

    But that was then and this is now. It’s 2017. Anybody who remembers what it was like to spend their old age under the free market mantle of “choice and competition” is long gone: and the Republicans, having used fascist tactics of propaganda, plus gerrymandering, electoral fraud, and a very useful Supreme Court ruling back in 2000, run literally everything, and are in a kind of “now or never” frenzy of sheer unhinged Kochean destruction.

    And a whole lot of Americans are about to find out what it was like, 90 years or so ago, to live in a toxic, soulless environment of predatory capitalism, with no way out, because these fascist/Republicans hold all the cards.

    It’s a hell of a way for ignorant Republican voters to learn the searing lessons of history: by dooming their grandchildren to live the kinds of lives their grandparents struggled so desperately to escape.

    • David Chaillou

      In countries with no social coverage for the elderly poor people have explosive birthrates, so they can count on at least some children to support them.

      Somehow I don’t think the conservatives have thought this out to its bitter end.

  • Keith Wilson

    The next time they claim that Social Security needs to be cut, tell them to explain exactly how an off-budget program contributes one dime of debt. How can it be the federal government’s biggest expense if its not part of the budget??? Social Security is self-funded with $2.8 trillion in U.S. Treasury Bonds in its Trust Fund. SocSec surpluses go into the Trust Fund and deficits (when they start happening) come out of the Trust Fund. Not general revenues. Not into or out of the federal budget. If I had that much in the bank, would you say that I’m broke?? Any bank manager would be fired for incompetence for claiming that.

    Those assholes better stop pretending SocSec is part of their budget. They pretend it is because SocSec has been running surpluses for decades and because they want to unleash the stock market on our retirement insurance. If SocSec is an unpaid liability, then where are the payroll taxes which fund it?? Any changes to benefits do not affect the federal deficit or National Debt by one thin dime. It only changes the exact date that the Trust Fund, which was built up in anticipation of baby boomer retirements, zeroes out (2034). Starting in 2034, if no changes to payroll taxes are made, Social Security can still pay out 80% of benefits through the year 2092.

    If they claim they need to cut Social Security, call them fucking LIARS!

    • David Chaillou

      Which is only half the lie. The other half is pretending that the $3.5 trillion spent on healthcare are somehow wealth destruction, when in fact they are converted into wages and profits for the US health industry. Cut healthcare spending and you cut a lot of jobs and profits.

      • gingerwentworth

        Nobody remembers how the Depression worked.

  • phoenix00

    > Obviously, they’ll need to eliminate funding for public transit so no one uses that metaphor anymore.

    “Let them take Uber”

    • Odd Jørgensen

      Ìch bin ein Ubermensch?

      • phoenix00

        Oui!

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  • Wm Armstrong

    Which articles did you write in the last eight years about Obama doubling the debt during his regime?

    • SeeTrainOffTheRails

      And, like clockwork, we have Wingnut Alert.

      Bye, bye, Wm.

    • gingerwentworth

      Most of it he spent on his own vacations!

  • David Chaillou

    “Choice and competition brings down prices and improves quality” is such an incomplete trope. Free market theorems require an “informed free choice” meaning a/ that you have access to a large array of options and b/ that you understand exactly what you are purchasing.

    Coming from people who oppose the regulations that would give consumers price and CoS transparency, and who have just passed laws that prevent consumers from meaningful legal options against delinquent providers, this is fucking rich.

    Not to mention that very few consumers have access to health risk statistics, which the DHHS should but does not provide.

  • Ghoti theLinguist

    Of course Social Security and Medicare are entitlements! All working Americans paid into them, so they’re ENTITLED to get something back out of them! Paul Ryan can go fuck himself with a sharp stick.

  • this country says it’s about

    God forbid we talk about cutting the military budget…. or congressional pay!!!

    We supposedly have a representative democracy……who the hell are these soulless puds representing…Beelzebub?

  • gingerwentworth

    Something inside Ryan keeps him smiling that happy smile, he seems to be happy with himself all day long. He grew up in a big brick house and he must have been so fussed over in that house, that he really believes in himself. So that years ago when he was praised so highly for having come up with a “balanced budget,” the last word in SANITY! according to all Republicans who’d had enough of free-spending Democrats– when that budget itself DIDN’T BALANCE, his Republican carers seemed set on shielding him from that knowledge.

    Because he was “Paul Ryan, Republican Rising Star and Budget Wizard!

    How he thinks other people live when they don’t have money I don’t know. Or why he thinks it’s up to him to make sure they don’t get help is a mystery. It makes him happy though.

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