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He really should have seen it coming. Metaphorically, of course.

Monday, as the House and Senate groped toward reconciling their terrible tax cuts for the super-rich and corporations, MSNBC’s Ali Velshi and Stephanie Ruhle did some excellent taxsplaining on the perfectly dishonest economic assumptions behind the plan. First, Ali Velshi offered a brief review of the research on a central basic question: Do tax cuts for the rich stimulate economic growth? Heck no!

The bottom line takeaway — see, we know lame business clichés too — is that there’s no evidence behind the GOP’s favorite belief since FOREVER: As Velshi notes:

There have been huge changes made to our tax code throughout US history, yet we’ve seen no observable shift to long-term growth rates in the last 150 years, which have hovered at an average rate of between 1.8 and two percent growth per year.

He also called attention to a recent survey by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business — hardly the home of a bunch of wild-eyed Marxists — in which not a single one of 42 top economists thought the GOP tax bill would result in higher growth over the next decade. (They did agree — with high certainty — that we’d end up with a much higher debt-to-GDP ratio.) On top of that, Velshi noted that Goldman Sachs — again, folks who are totally into big profits — just released an analysis predicting only a short-term uptick in economic growth, a whopping three-tenths of a percent rise, followed by a leveling off after two years, and by 2020, flat or even declining growth. Sorry, the jobs won’t all come back from China. But investors will be happy to reap the (extra, extra) profits, hooray!

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After that brief review, Velshi and Ruhle welcomed Utah Republican Congressman Chris Stewart and his canned talking points to the show, and proceeded to debunk virtually every point he tried to rush past them. They’re awfully good at not sitting back and letting rightwing guests just spew nonsense unchallenged, as we saw when, on a completely different topic, they dismantled that Roy Moore lawyer who wanted to make snide asides about Velshi’s weird Canadian (MUSLIM) family values. Velshi and Ruhle tag-teamed poor Stewart, who was apparently expecting to just sit there and run through his bland supply-side mantras without being challenged. Let’s watch a couple of pros teach the rest of the media how to debunk a bullshitter with facts and logic. It gave this rhetoric teacher a fine old Aristotelian leg tingle:

From Stewart’s very first “gotcha,” Ruhle and Velshi made it clear they weren’t about to be got. Dragging up the slogans of tax cuts past, Stewart asked, “Why is there so much resistance to letting the American people keep more of their money? Why is there so much resistance to trying to achieve better economic growth?”

Velshi wasn’t having it, pointing out the four studies he’d just cited from think tanks saying, no, this is not going to create an explosion of growth. Stewart tried to accuse Velshi of cherry-picking his analyses, but Velshi just asked, “Goldman Sachs? The Tax Foundation, the Wharton School…?” All nice choices, especially given the “president’s” unrequited love for his alma mater.

Velshi also pinned down Stewart on the Republican fib that the USA has the world’s highest corporate tax rate, which simply isn’t so: “You know that’s not true,” and then Stewart backed down, a bit, but still asserted “it’s higher than it should be.” And so on, for 11 delicious policy dweeb minutes of debunking, right down to Stewart’s lie that “the American people” are calling for lower taxes — sure, maybe for the middle class, but not on corporations and the wealthy — as we’ve noted, this tax bill is the least popular in 40 years.

By the end of the interview, Stewart was reduced to trying to defend “trickle-down” economics, which didn’t go well at all. When Ruhle and Velshi pointed out that corporate America is not having any problems with investments and profits, and that the tax savings wouldn’t go into creating jobs (which come from consumer demand, not from having another sack of money), Stewart grasped blindly for the idea that even if the tax cuts mostly go to dividends for stock shareholders, then that will somehow create jobs, because those higher dividends will go to ordinary folks. Who, unfortunately for Stewart’s argument, don’t actually own stock. That’s a rich kids’ game.

This is how an interview should be conducted: Ruhle and Velshi don’t badger Stewart with slogans or insults; they’ve done their homework and hit him right in the fact-bag. Now, if only more cable news people actually had the smarts and motivation to do that homework. And Yr Dok Zoom has some homework for you, Wonkers: Inform your own discussions of supply-side fakery with this excellent 2012 Congressional Research Service analysis which found that since 1945, there’s little evidence to suggest that lower taxes on the top income brackets result in better economic growth. Get wonking, you.

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  • Machnethylsteinerbincolabird

    Watched this hoping to see someone get tossed out a window, was disappointed.

  • BreakingDeadMen
  • jodyleek

    “…not a single one of 42 top economists thought the GOP tax bill would result in higher growth over the next decade.”
    Since when have the GOP been swayed by facts?

    • BreakingDeadMen

      How about never? Does never work for you?

      • jodyleek

        Not for me so much, but seems to work just dandy for the GOP.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Are you talking about actual facts? Or “facts” that people provide to the GOP that are on their payroll?

    • The only growth that matters is their patrons’ bank register totals growing.

    • TJ Barke

      “Facts are stupid things” -St. Reagan

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      But in the universe of Alternative Facts(TM), the economic bounty is a cornucopia of plentitude!

  • MynameisBlarney
    • BreakingDeadMen

      Yeah, I’m glad the US missed the World Cup, too.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        Really? I kinda like to see them flail against the really good teams.

        The shocker is of course the Italians not qualifying.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          I’m glad for Italy and US both that they will be avoiding the Russian shitshow altogether.

    • ltmcdies

      I just saw that….I understand not everybody gives a shit about the Olympics but seeing somebody finally tell Vlad to fuck himself is a treat.

      there is/was a documentary on Netflix about this fuckery….it is quite something

      Icarus….

      • MynameisBlarney

        Makes me wonder if there are ANY rooshan Olypmic athletes to actually feel sorry for.
        Yanno, ones that didn’t cheat.

        • ltmcdies

          I didn’t feel sorry for Lance Armstrong or his cadre of cheaters, I didn’t feel sorry for Ben Johnson, and don’t feel sorry for one fucking Russian athlete.

        • Persistent Tennessee Rain

          Don’t look at me. I’m still salty about the 1972 US v. Russia basketball game debacle.

    • PubOption

      “Sorry, Vlad, not enough bribe money” – IOC official

    • Joe Beese

      ANY ANALOGIES TO THE 2016 ELECTION ARE COMPLETELY UNWARRANTED

      Thomas Bach, president of I.O.C., has said he was perturbed not only by Russia’s widespread cheating but by how it had been accomplished: by corrupting the Olympic laboratory that handled drug testing at the Games, and on orders from Russia’s own Olympic officials.

      • Joe Beese

        Like Mission: Impossible, with piss.

        In an elaborate overnight operation at the 2014 Sochi Games, a team assembled by Russia’s sports ministry tampered with more than 100 urine samples to conceal evidence of top athletes’ steroid use throughout the course of competition.

        • MynameisBlarney

          No fucking WONDER the GOP has such a massive love boner the for the fuckin russkies.
          They cheat at every-fucking-thing too!

          • Jenny

            But that’s always been their way. Shame on us for thinking they’d ever be anything more than liars and cheats.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Wait…the GOP or the rooshans?

          • AmazingProfessionalCrastinator

            Yes.

        • Bobathonic

          So, Pissin’: Impossible?

          • Non-Threatening Ron

            Bad! Bad Bobathonic! You go sit in the corner and think about what you did!

        • Unclejeems

          So, is it any wonder Donnie wanted his very own Russian urine samples? He was working undercover (sic), spying for the IOC.

    • La forza del resistino

      ‘Donald, This Vlad calling and I thought I could count on you to DO SOMETHING’

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      It’s supposed to be in South Korea. I doubt Russia will be missing anything.

      • MynameisBlarney

        I bet South Korea won’t have a major clusterfuck like roosha did when they hosted the Olympics.

        • Persistent Tennessee Rain

          Oh sure – if it hasn’t been blown off the face of the earth by then.

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      So what? Will not be any South Korea by then anyway!
      – Russian Olympic Dope Pushing Team

  • ltmcdies

    that takedown was brutal….and it’s not the first time these two have decimated an idiot who didn’t do his/her homework

    • SDGeoff3

      Lovely, isn’t it?

  • elviouslyqueer

    they’ve done their homework and hit him right in the fact-bag

    Is said fact-bag above or below the waistline? I know, I know… why can’t it be both?

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      “I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine!”

    • MynameisBlarney

      If ones fact bag is above ones waist line.
      Perhaps one should consider wearing supportive undergarments.

  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

    It gave this rhetoric teacher a fine old Aristotelian leg tingle

    “But it was only a Platonic relationship.”

    • ((( Augustus )))

      you take your up vote and get out

  • Shibusa
    • House0fTheBlueLights

      But the you just say “we did this by regular order” even though it’s a lie and that totally counts.

      • Rushing through secret legislation that Democrats don’t even get to see much less contribute to is the GOP’s new regular order. Just like not voting on Supreme Court nominees when they don’t hold the White House.

  • Crystalclear12

    Smart people going to town on dumb people.
    Was isn’t this an Olympic sport?

  • Asterix

    I hope other journalists watch and learn from this.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    That was a good, old-fashioned horse whipping.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    You don’t have to be an economist to understand economics. You just need common sense. Also true of, constitutional law, international relations, military strategy, climate science . . .

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      pedophilia, nepotism, insider trading, colluding with a hostile foreign power…

    • It actually doesn’t take anything more than common sense to realize that incredibly wealthy people don’t get that way by putting all the money they can spare into hiring and wages.

    • Arolpin

      ….surgery, nuclear physics, rocket science, and opening vacuum-sealed packaging.

  • Swampay

    The way I remember it from business school a hundred years or so ago, corporations make their investment decisions based on capital acquisition costs. Profits are what’s left after you do all of your planned business. If they pay lower taxes on those profits it’s not likely to affect their investment decisions at all. “Hey, look, we’re going to pay less taxes, let’s start up another business!” said no CEO ever. It’s not like with poor people – “Hey, look at my tax refund! I can afford that dental work after all!”

    • theCryptofishist

      Cannot upfist enough.

      • Gosala

        Have one of mine.

        • JAKvirginia

          And mine.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      File that under “DUH!”. A corporation will hire exactly as many people as they need to meet demand, and not one person more. And they will pay exactly the amount necessary to hire those people and not one cent more, no matter how many sweet tax breaks you throw at them. To do anything else would be to violate their fiduciary responsibility. They are businesses, not charities. It’s not their job to demonstrate social concerns or to have empathy for anyone.

    • A lower tax rate can lower the capital acquisition costs, and so can be slightly stimulative. Likewise, a lower tax rate can improve margins, encouraging expansion if there’s potential capacity for expansion but a lack of capital to do it.

      Neither of those have anywhere near the economic stimulative effect of giving that money directly to the poorest people, who will immediately put it back into the economy in the form of buying things to live. Likewise, any small stimulative benefit produced by giving a tax break to the wealthiest people and businesses will be undone many times over by something as stupid as clawing back tips from the poorest workers in an organization.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Especially if there is no concurrent demand to incentivise them to expand

      • Lascauxcaveman

        Exactly. Want to stimulate the economy by, let’s say $1000 worth? Give a million bucks to a multimillionaire. Or give a $1000 to a broke guy. Either way the stimulation is about the same.

        • Mary

          Google is paying 97$ per hour,with weekly payouts.You can also avail this.
          On tuesday I got a brand new Land Rover Range Rover from having earned $11752 this last four weeks..with-out any doubt it’s the most-comfortable job I have ever done .. It Sounds unbelievable but you wont forgive yourself if you don’t check it
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  • Ryan Denniston
    • kilgoretrout

      Russia is hosting the most watched sporting event in the world in summer 2018 – the World Cup – probably bribed their way into it – FIFA is freakin’ corrupt as hell.

      • Non-Threatening Ron

        There’s no ‘probably’ about it. FIFA is more for-sale than even the GOP.

  • MynameisBlarney

    Oh for fucks sake.
    I think these people may almost be as fucking stupid as turmps smartest supporters.

    https://twitter.com/WaltMancini/status/936695535926308864

    • Asterix

      Nice hats.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      It’s my local BernBots who are organizing the Jan 20 march again, and I really do not want to help them. Very torn about this.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Show them this vidja.
        And then glare at them, daring them to say something.

      • ltmcdies

        wear your “I’m with Her” tee shirt and wear it proudly.

        You can’t have a successful march and chase people away….

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Go and be proud for not being a sucker like they were

    • ltmcdies

      if one has been following the whole Joy Reid controversy (mostly on the tweeter) surrounding a comment in a blog post she made a number of years ago….it’s the same group pushing the “Joy made a stupid comment 10 years ago..we must slay her in the tweeter with posts now” line.

      I think it’s spinning itself out but it’s the same group of alt lefties….

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        WTF did she actually say? I’ve been ignoring this particular tempest in a teapot

        • ltmcdies

          I believe in the post she called out some anti gay policies of then Gov Crist’s Florida then called the gov “MissCrist” or something.

          Basically insinuating Crist was gay at the time he was also pushing anti gay policies. Also I believe it was around the time Crist was going to get married but many believed it to be sham.

          I’m kind of following it for a couple reasons….it’s seems to be being pushed by the alt left who apparently still have yet to figure out the danger of attacking powerful black women (Kamala Harris another example). How alienating to such a large chunk of the Democratic base they need if they want St. Bern to the nominee in 2020.

          Also, time and time again I see the “MissLindsay” thrown at Senator Lindsay Graham. Jon Stewart used it a lot.
          But it doesn’t get highighted as a bad thing until it’s found that a black woman used the same comment in blog post over ten years ago.

          So Fuck That.

          • Persistent Tennessee Rain

            She also apologized to him. He not only accepted her apology, but stated he had forgotten all about it until it was brought up recently. So, yeah, she really did some damage to him.

          • ltmcdies

            this guy says it in a nutshell tweet

            https://twitter.com/jkfecke/status/938143174152900609

      • SDGeoff3

        I’m ignoring it.

    • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

      Fuck them.

      • Lord Jim

        In the votehole. With rusty, splintery votes.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      Flip side of the same coin- weapons grade stupid and gullible as hell. No nitwits, that fault belongs to every single person who didn’t vote for her for whatever reason- including your dumbass reasons, based upon being conned by Macedonian teenagers on your faceplace wall.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        The way to address this is “Despite your hopes and aspirations during the rest of the campaign, on November 8th you had a choice of Trump or Not Trump. If you didn’t vote for Hillary, then you, personally, are to blame.”

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          First past the post, bitches! There were two viable candidates that day, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. If you did ANYTHING, including voting third party, writing in Sanders, leaving that part of the ballot blank or just not showing up to the polls that day, besides voting for Hillary Clinton- you voted for Trump. Those arrogant assholes love to hang on the technicality that they didn’t actually fill in the oval next to his name as some sort of exoneration, but fuck that shit- it was one or the other at that point.

          • Lord Jim

            If you wittingly failed to fill the brake fluid reservoir, you really can’t disclaim responsibility for the car wreck.

    • Jenny

      Oh I wish I still had their imagination! I grew up way too early, it seems!

    • SDGeoff3

      Oh please. Grow up. Get over yourselves.

    • elviouslyqueer

      Psssst, BernBots. The Go Fuck Yourself line forms over yonder.

    • Persistent Demme

      Shhhhh…don’t tell them, (cause they’ll argue with you, *eyeroll*), that they have A LOT in common with Trump supporters.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Well, we could agree on that at least.
        LOL

  • An Outhouse for the résistance

    “not a single one of 42 top economists thought the GOP tax bill would result in higher growth”

    but that 43rd, he predicted the real estate bubble twenty years before it happened, and he’s convinced the tax cuts will force the government to stop causing chemtrails, dismantle their weather maniopulation, and reveal JFK’s real killer.

  • Jenny

    Hey Editrix,

    Did you know you’re rich? Only rich people create jerbs according to morons at Fox. You must lobby congress immediately and request all the monies because, rich.

    • Nockular cavity

      That, and the wine, in the bohemian loft.

  • Swampay

    I think it was Paula Poundstone, many many years ago, who said about trickle down economics “Hey, how much can these guys tip in one day, anyway?”

    • Lascauxcaveman

      She was funny. I’ve always been a fan of that type of sardonic humor. Too bad about the sex-creep thing though.

  • Michael R
  • theCryptofishist

    “The bottom line takeaway — see, we know lame business clichés too…” Indeed, the synergy is breathtaking.

    • MynameisBlarney

      I like it, it’s an outside the box paradigm shift!

      • Bobathonic

        Alright, which of you Wonkers moved my cheese?

        • Gosala

          * needs disguise. *

      • theCryptofishist

        That envelope? Pushed!

        • MynameisBlarney

          Pushed.
          So. Hard.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      A shared leveraging of synergies will become actionable going forward.

    • Persistent Demme

      Let’s run it up the flag pole, and see who salutes!
      (Some big, swinging, dick told me that one.)

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    I watched this live while waiting for the coffee to kick in and I couldn’t believe how badly that clown was getting PWND. It was a thing of beauty.

  • goonemeritus

    Look if they gave me a tax cut I would just squander it on food and prescriptions. If you give a rich person more money they will create all kinds of tax haven jobs.

    • Weird Fishes

      Homeless tax-shelter attorneys are a pitiful lot, begging in the streets, not maintaining their yachts, wearing last year’s resort wear… What kind of monster do you have to be to be that heartless?

  • Nockular cavity

    Get wonking, you.

    I was told there would be no math.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Besides, I already wonked twice today.
      I don’t want to go blind.

      • doktorzoom

        Then wonk until you need glasses, and take a break.

        • MynameisBlarney

          *sighs*
          Okay.

          The things I do for this country.

  • TJ Barke

    That was brutal.

    • SisterArtemis

      yet delightful in its painful way!

  • Anna Rompage

    It’s getting close to guillotine time!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2B00vqD4zI

    • bbayliss

      Magnificent. I called her office to thank her. you can too. 202 225 6311

    • Lascauxcaveman

      Suzy’s a sharp cookie. Another really good congress critter from WA. Her district used to be pretty red, IIRC.

    • ltmcdies

      and that, kids, is how you shiv a somebody without actually using a knife.

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      I have a crush on Suzan.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        She was at my office a year ago, but I was too shy to say anything to her.

    • Weird Fishes

      Jesus. She undressed him. I hope this is getting air play round the clock.

  • Mavenmaven

    But let’s be honest. The recession and housing bubble burst this will cause will make Bush’s look like child’s play, so many houses nationwide will be “under water” even before climate change makes that literally happen.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Fucking subprime car loans are going to wipe out the people too young to buy houses, too, so that’ll be great.

      • Jenny

        Student loans. That’s what will really do it.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    I can’t seem to get much satisfaction in seeing these stupid, evil motherfuckers get beaten in a media debate like this. They’re too stubborn and dumb to even realize when they’re wrong.

    Pence’s iconic head-shaking condescension during the VP debates is probably the best image I can think of to symbolize this imperviousness to facts and reason. To call it “maddening” is not hyperbolic. I literally can’t watch people like this for more than a few minutes at a time anymore, or I start to get unhinged.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      The worst part is knowing that the dumb bastards who vote Republican are nodding right along, swallowing every spurious statement and regurgitated talking point as though they represent True Wisdom. They fail this test every goddamn time. Morans.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb5906d730dbd573e7ee4ed8caacf84feeb52e0530d8bfab99095598ef63740b.jpg

      • altleftjohn

        Snort!

        • Lascauxcaveman

          The cartoonist should have put a second machine next to it: “Advanced Deluxe Executive Gullibility Test $5.”

          • wide_stance_hubby

            And you have to take the first test to qualify for the $1 off coupon on the advanced test.

          • GHERKINS du RESISTANCE!

            My new “Make A Libtard Cry” machines that take a dollar and just prints out a receipt should also do extremely well in wingnut America.

      • weighmaster

        stolen

      • Run2Live

        “Thank you ma’am. May I have another.”

      • Lord Jim

        Dunning-Kruger is the cognitive pandemic of our time.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      It’s not that they don’t realize they’re wrong- they know full well that they are lying their asses off. You can see the tells when they smirk or grimace, then try to dodge the question. You can tell when they are really getting flustered because they suddenly turn on the spigots and talking points come flooding out.

      The problem is- they don’t care that they’re lying because they will never pay a price for it

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      You and me both.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    If you’re too dense to realize that when Ali Velshi says “well, fine, let’s go through it” what he means is “fire for effect!” you should probably stick to appearances on Good Morning Provo.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      The two of them do a marvelous job of civilly and politely slapping the shit out of republicans

    • Daniel Hooper

      I prefer, “Weapons free” myself.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        Looked to me like they’d identified their target.

        • Daniel Hooper

          And when they’re done? “I don’t know what it was, but I’m pretty sure it’s dead.”

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    I’ll have to watch their show when I can. Well done!

  • La forza del resistino

    Rep Stewart’s real game is privatizing Fed land in Utah. He must of been enjoying a post-coital smoke after Donald’s Monument fuckery yesterday.

  • tehbaddr

    I’m reminded of a toy from way back in my youth. But we’re playing for reals this time!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0DKv6oD1Co

  • ArgieBargie

    Unrelated, but who needs some nice time? Deutsche Bank complied with Robert Mueller’s request:
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/donald-trump-bank-records-handed-over-robert-mueller

    (not sure if this particular point was mentioned earlier)

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      There was some question about whether they’d complied. And the answer is yes. Yes, yes, yes!

  • Scooby

    I’m spending my tax savings on booze, women and movies! Mostly movies.

  • Ruth Serafini

    I was REALLY hoping to see a republican with stupid talking points thrown out a window. With VOTES.

    • Andy

      I vote we throw him out the window.

  • Zonath

    So right now we have very low unemployment, and somehow we need a tax cut for the ultra-rich to create more jobs? Why?

    Likewise, wages have been more or less stagnant against cost of living/purchasing power for decades now, so all this economic growth is helping whom, exactly?

    Seems like all of this grousing over more jobs and higher growth is just pablum for the stupid and the ill-informed.

    • TJ Barke

      You are correct, sir or madame.

    • diane surette

      Yeah, trump voters

    • georgiaburning

      The white middle and lower classes have been suckers for every Repub tax bill since Reagan. Why expect them to suddenly get smarter?

      • Lord Jim

        The blah guy took over an economy with 7+% unemployment and bleeding 750,000 jobs a month and returned us to sub 5% unemployment and constant job gains. And then people voted for a guy who has declared bankruptcy SIX TIMES. smh

      • jez

        also too you are not going to change the minds of people who think hilary and new world order are coming to take their guns unless and until they starve. also plus too as well the democrats have got to stop this nonpartisan approach.

  • elviouslyqueer

    Did this asshole just ask Ali and Stephanie “will you work with us then to do additional cuts so we don’t have a bigger deficit”? That’s not their responsibility, you fuckhole. That’s YOUR FUCKING JOB.

    • ltmcdies

      said asshole must have thought because this was MSNBC business program, it would just be FOX News lite and he didn’t have to study at all

    • Nounverb911

      “Work! You expect me to work for my salary?”

      –GOP Weanie

    • Lord Jim

      And there you have it. The admission by this fucking fuck that the bonus to this giveaway to the donor class is the excuse to cut more social spending.

    • Miles Monroe

      We are not here to advocate anything, we’re just trying to report the facts; you are the one who was elected to serve the public.”

      • Hiss

        To Serve The Public. It’s a cookbook.

  • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

    And, just like that, Velshi and Ruhle become part of the problem. Instead of letting this asshole babble talking points for 10 minutes, they should have cut mic when he refused to answer any questions. Instead, they are the representative pinatas for the rest of us, and this guy has a giant bat.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Huh?

      • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

        Going back and forth with this guy over “studies” and “facts” is completely beside the point. As long as he can sneer at them for 10 minutes while they make demands, he comes off looking like a winner to the rubes who voted for him. He’s dumb, but not dumb enough to believe that he can defend this shit on the merits.

        • Claire

          The studies they cited were actual studies and the facts were actual facts, no need for quotes. And the rubes who voted for him would declare him the winner no matter what. The alternative is to just never challenge them on their idiot talking points, and somehow I don’t think that would be a great strategy.

          • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

            No, the alternative is to cut his mic when he refuses to answer questions and find somebody with a brain to talk to.

          • Claire

            Well, okay. I wish them joy of finding someone with a brain who’s prepared to argue in favor of this tax bill.

          • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

            The second part is absolutely not mandatory.

          • Lord Jim

            Then that tells the rubes that you were so afraid of his sooper brain powerz that they had to shut him down. There are a number of ways to look at it.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      I don’t think that’s fair. I watched it- they didn’t let him babble unchallenged for even ten seconds, let alone ten minutes

      • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

        They were loud, and he was quiet. When he uses this on the campaign trail, he will say “I made them lose their cool”.

    • jodo

      I agree–10 minutes of my life wasted. I did not see a defenestration of the congressman. If anything it was a more of the same old shouty stalemate. Instead he got 10 minutes to tell lies and fairy tales about trickledown economics. Sure the hosts made their points, but the lies and fairy tales received air time once again. I doubt anyone who is in either choir watched that and shifted one ounce.

  • azeyote

    i suppose that when the new budget comes out we’ll see who really pays for the rich to have what they always need – more more more

  • puredog

    I do not wonk. I pay youse guys to wonk for me.

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

    Wait, you mean to tell me trickle down does not work?

    • wide_stance_hubby

      I think it’s way too soon to judge. Another 30 or so years and maybe we can talk.

    • Unclejeems

      No, but sometimes tickle down does . . .

    • Nounverb911
    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      I’m sure it will this time.

      “Hey Lucy, hold that football still this time, okay?”

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Olga and Natasha beg to differ. As does their tape.

    • altleftjohn

      You may want to sit down for this, but pyramid power doesn’t cure diabetes.

      • jesterpunk

        What about crystals? Those still work right?

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        But it still allows me to lure women into my rental van?

      • jodyleek

        Time cube? What about the time cube?!?

    • GHERKINS du RESISTANCE!

      “Treekle down works fine for Kompromat Tapes! ”

      –V. P.

  • Courser_Resistance

    As a new college graduate in the 80’s, I suffered under Reagan’s Supply Side Economics policy. So fuck you, Rs you goddamn fucking, fuckity liars.

  • This whole stupid tax giveaway is just the fire sale at the end of capitalism. No one things it’s going to be stimulative. No one thinks it’s a great idea to add a trillion dollars to the debt. But a few people at the very top think they need to grab on to all they can before this motherfucker burns down around them. Maybe they think money will protect their family from the guillotine when the dam finally bursts. I’ll enjoy the irony that they brought it all on themselves, while also enjoying my hobo beans and squirrel meat supper.

    • Claire

      My thoughts exactly. This doesn’t look like tax policy, it looks like the TV aisle at Walmart on Black Friday.

    • Jenny

      Squirrel meat? When all that fatty meat on the rich people is just sitting there?! Squirrels are too much work when I can sit outside a Saks!

      • jodyleek

        Eat the rich! With some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

    • diane surette

      Money will not protect them

      • TJ Barke

        Of course not. The drones and mercenaries will.

        • Non-Threatening Ron

          Until the cheques bounce.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Money pays for the things that do protect them.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Stephen Moore, a conservative economist who advised President Donald Trump’s campaign on economic and tax policy, said in an interview published Tuesday that the Republican tax overhaul currently under debate by the House is “death to Democrats.”

    “They go after state and local taxes, which weakens public employee unions. They go after university endowments, and universities have become play pens of the left,” Moore told Bloomberg. “And getting rid of the mandate is to eventually dismantle Obamacare.”

    At least this guy is honest about it.

    • Unclejeems

      We’ll see about that, come the revolution.

      • Non-Threatening Ron

        When will it be here? I need to know when to put dinner on.

        • OneYieldRegular

          Oh come now. You can heat up the can of hobo beans just by putting it next to the engine of your 1976 Dodge Dart any time you drive down to the dump to scrounge for dessert.

    • jesterpunk

      Rand Paul admitted the tax bill punishes blue states to subsidize red states even more.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Who are you going to believe? GOP talking points or those pesky facts?!

  • Thiazin Red

    We should also be factoring in all of the innovations we’ll lose by fucking over universities and making it harder for people to get an education.

    • TundraGrifter

      Why are Silicon Valley and Boston the hot beds of modern technology – particularly related to the Internets? I think a great deal of it has to do with a large number of excellent colleges and universities in the area – higher education that has been priced out of reach of far too many people.

    • JohnBull

      No kidding. Ironically the assholes who complain about their Iranian or Indian doctors are the same people who vote for tax cuts that’ll deplete grad schools of American-born doctors.

      • Cat Cafe

        And tax cuts that prevent elementary school kids from getting the education necessary to get into those grad schools, or even to have enough to eat so they can function in school.

    • BigCSouthside

      And blowing up our high talent immigrant pipeline, and reducing foreign demand for American education.

      There will be a brain drain AND no more smart people coming in

  • jesterpunk

    Corporate taxes are on profits, which is income – expenses. So why would lower taxes on profits lead to higher pay for workers or investing in businesses? If they wanted to do that they would invest already and have lower profits to be taxed. Which is why companies worried about keeping workers and keeping them happy when tax rates where above 70% and as high as 90%.

    • TundraGrifter

      Suppose a worker was dragging down $20/hour and the boss said “OK, Son, now you’re going to be paid $30/hour.” Would that individual work harder? Doing what they were doing led to a 50% increase. Why fix what isn’t broke?

      • jesterpunk

        They could always try the thing one company I worked for did. Cut employees pay then tell them “be glad you even have a job”. Then send out emails saying how much money the company is making this quarter.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          I prefer the method where they let go of half of the staff and then tell everyone else that they have to work “twice as hard” to make up for the lost labor and then get purchased by a bigger company and pay off more people while the shareholders walk away with massive pay outs.

          • jesterpunk

            They did that too before cutting employee pay.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          and note the 7 figure bonus your boss will be getting

  • proudgrampa

    Yup. They grow ’em stupid here in Utah.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      The epsilon minuses aren’t decanted?

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Fry sauce kills brain cells.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Want to see what resistance looks like?
    https://www.demorgen.be/buitenland/duitse-piloten-weigeren-al-maanden-asielzoekers-te-deporteren-222-vluchten-gestrand-b6173123/

    More than 200 flights have been canceled because Lufthansa crews refused to work on flights to Afghanistan to extradite Afghan refugees.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      That’s beautiful. I am officially proud, for now, to be 1/100th Dutch. Or less, maybe.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Thank you but Lufthansa is as German as sauerkraut. ;)

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          Oh, right. They all look alike to me.

          • Lord Jim

            I can’t tell white people apart either. Doughy motherfuckers.

          • SweetDeeKat

            (raises pasty hand)

  • canes_pugnaces

    According my neighbor, an economics prof at Columbia Biz School, the plan is a grab bag with short-term economic gain, followed by a recession. His theory: the GOP knows they will be gutted in ’18 & ’20. Their plan means the the GOP is remembered for the party, Dems will be blamed for the hangover.

    Maybe. I think we can’t underestimate the stupidity of Americans.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Same as it ever was. . .

    • jesterpunk

      It happened in 2008 when Obama was elected. Voters have the memory of goldfish with Alzheimer’s and keep buying the GOP bullshit.

      • canes_pugnaces

        Yup… my mom, who had Alzheimer’s, was at least pleasant and didn’t molest girls.

    • BigCSouthside

      That’s already happened before. The party will just be WAY shorter

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      It’s worked every time before this.

    • OneYieldRegular

      Then it’s time for Democrats and independents to start loudly warning the American people that the Republicans have just stolen all the booze.

      • Bright Bart

        that will work until the next squirrel comes along.

    • ChumpsForTrump

      I remember a campaign ad for George Dubya back in 04..

      It went on about how the economy is great! Jobs! Profits! etc.. then it ended with this: “and the Democrats? (fades to black and white) They’re talking about the great depression!”.

    • Damian L

      something about history repeating itself.

      • no really what? that has never happened since like…i don’t know 2008?

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter
    • Nounverb911
      • UncleTravelingMatt

        Barry was the worst goddamned luge coach I’ve ever seen.

      • OrdinaryJoe

        What doping? What collusion?

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I am ok with this.

    • OrdinaryJoe

      The only thing in Putin’s Russia that is done fairly? He does not discriminate when killing his enemies.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Totally groundless sexxytimes character assassination of Velshi and Ruhle in 3….2….1….

    • canes_pugnaces

      Terrorist and radical feminist, who work for Soros.

      There.

      • NellCote71

        I heard that they are part of the pizza parlor tunnel to Mars. That’s what people are saying. Believe me.

  • IdiokraticKulturKommissar

    Back in the 18th century, they had a different type of cut for the rich in mind. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dc6708aef84ff26bea3695b1ddd6a776d24c190b4e7939be3a92d43af86a5e5e.jpg

    • Non-Threatening Ron

      At the time Madame there was put to work, the upper classes paid no tax. AT ALL.
      Now I wanna make a ‘head tax’ joke but I can’t think of one.

      • OrdinaryJoe

        They raised the estate tax to 100%.

        • Non-Threatening Ron

          Ooh, good one.

      • Opalescent Riddles

        How about this one: The “per capita” rate was literally 1.

  • Arolpin

    Watch it all the way to the end, the best part is when Ali mentions that this douchenozzle is on the Appropriations Committee and the Intelligence Committee,

    Stephanie rolls her eyes and shakes her head after his says ‘Intelligence’. You just *KNOW* that she’s thinking, “How does this mouth-breathing fucktard get on to anything more important than the Imbecile Committee?”

    • NellCote71

      Imbecile Committee is already oversubscribed.

  • TundraGrifter

    It’s mildly amusing to listen to the Regressives justify their crackpot projections by claiming nobody is very good at economic predictions.

    Then they get on their high horse about America shouldn’t be East Germany in the 1950’s when asked by the dramatic reduction in the corporate tax rate isn’t tied to pay raises for workers, hiring new workers, job training, etc. As if the Tax Code, before and after, wasn’t riddled with all manner of incentives – such as moving manufacturing overseas, which I understand isn’t changed at all by this horrible legislation.

    • chazmanr

      You know what might increase middle class wages? Exorbitant taxes on very high incomes. If CEO’s get taxed at 90% on income of over lets be really generous and say $2M/year, they wouldn’t pay themselves so much for sure and might actually let the workers benefit from the profit the workers created.

      • Lord Jim

        Are you some kinda fuckin’ Commie?! Oh, wait. Red Scare is not a thing anymore. My bad. Carry on.

      • NellCote71

        And if the lifted the cap on SS deductions, it would pay out in perpetuity. That is one point where I agreed with Bernie.

    • NellCote71

      So if no one is good at economic predictions, then why is the corporate giveaway a permanent cut?

  • IdRatherBeDancing

    When all those regular middle class working people, who are shareholders of the biggest global corporations get dividends, they consume and grow the economy. Duh!

    Regular folks aren’t individual shareholders? huh?

    Fucking smug moron, Chris Stewart. And the carried interest, deer in headlights, was funny as fuck.

    • NellCote71

      Carried interest could maybe sort of perhaps be in the final comprise, whiny man says.

      How can it be in the compromise when it was never in the House or Senate version, Velshi and Ruhle hoot in unison.

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    I assume this means they will be fired?

    • chazmanr

      MSNBC would be foolish to get rid of two of the 3-4 people practicing journalism there.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Right, which is why I am assuming they will do it.

      • C4TWOMAN

        Oh they are so doomed.

  • Persistent Tennessee Rain

    After listening to that, I’m even more concerned about ever receiving a dime from Social Security or Medicare even though I’ve paid into the system for 40 years now. I guess I’ll have to rely on my investment in Beanie Babies to sustain me in my golden years.

    • Belasaurius

      maybe we can pool my comic books into your Beanie pile and LIVE LIKE KINGS!

      • Persistent Tennessee Rain

        Deal! But, I get to be the Queen.

    • Yellerduck

      Not long ago, my grown son was home and was looking through his Pokemon card collection album. The album has been passed down through two siblings now. He was looking for a particular card and was mildly perturbed to find out one sibling or the other had traded it. He said, “That was a rare card! I could have sold it.” I asked for how much and he sheepishly said, “Well, there was one on Ebay for $4.00.”

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    My Republican mother was bitching up a storm about her health insurance going up by $230 A month. I couldn’t resist saying “Yes, it’s almost like elections have consequences, or something.” At least she didn’t vote for Trump, but it’s not like Rs wouldn’t be doing this same shit if Ted Cruz was president.

    • C4TWOMAN

      Talking politics must be so frustrating.
      I assume your relationship is otherwise positive…

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        She brought it up again tonight and I went ballistic on her ass, and told her she better get used to cuts in SS and Medicare. Her defense was “well, you know I didn’t vote for Trump, I voted for an Independent.” I then had to say “no, you voted for Evan McMillan, who’s a fucking Republican, who would have passed the exact same idiotic tax bill, so find someone else to complain to about your rising medical costs.”

        She’s a nice person, but like most Republicans, she has no clue what she’s voting for, and thinks both sides are equally bad.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    Ruhle and Velshi are such a great team. They believe in being prepared with facts. They do not do the interview that lets either side simply mime the talking points of the day. But to do that requires work, hard work. You have to prepare and know how to ask questions. They are very, very good and I would love to see them with an evening show sometime soon.

  • Run2Live

    Can’t miss TV with these two.

  • By now one would think that guests that go on the air with Ali Velshi and Stephanie Ruhle would know not to bullshit them without getting their ass handed to them.

    Good on Velshi and Ruhle.

    • IdRatherBeDancing

      I’m crushing on them.

  • WilbyToad

    When enough is enough.
    https://i.redd.it/j0uc8ab4sy101.gif

    • Cat Cafe

      I love this. Also the dog’s exuberance as he gallops off with the sled. “I ain’t no husky, bitch!”

      • Steve Thompson

        More like, “I ain’t yo bitch, Bitch!” When will American voters take a page from this dog’s playbook and stop pulling the sled for the rich?

        • Cat Cafe

          But HILLARY’S SLED IS SHRILL!

      • YoBunnyBunny

        I can just hear that dog’s MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA!!! laugh.

    • NellCote71

      That is so funny!

  • janecita

    These are my two favorite MSNBC people. They probably will get fired any day now.

  • Persistent Tennessee Rain

    That fucker has a degree in economics. So, either he needs to get a refund from Utah State University or he’s a dishonest asshole.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      boaf

  • natoslug

    I have nothing to say about Chris Stewart that won’t get me banned.

  • george lastrapes

    The republican economic plan is the Cargo Cult?

    • HooverVilles

      There be truth in what you say.

      • george lastrapes

        I believe that they don’t believe it, but they want us to believe that they believe it.

        • Miss Dill

          Exactly – and it works with some people. smh

    • Miss Dill

      Almost spit out my drink when I read this non-comment. Best laugh I had all day – thanks.

      • george lastrapes

        Thankyew, Miss Dill, how kind of yew to say so.

  • what, me worry?

    “Do tax cuts for the rich stimulate economic growth?”

    They stimulate the Swiss economy…

    • HooverVilles

      And the Cayman islands.

      • Rotisserie Teal

        Yacht builders will be happy

        • Smibo

          And they will gladly hire 950,000 new people to build yachts. Job creators!

          /s

  • BigHorn

    I missed the literal defenestration. I was so hopeful.

    • right. i forgot that was the whole reason i watched.

  • Blanche Beecham

    I love watching these too.

    “Ruhle and Velshi don’t badger Stewart with slogans or insults; they’ve done their homework and hit him right in the fact-bag.”
    … and that is why I love watching them, no code words and dog whistles or partisan whataboutisms = just good old fashioned fact bag kickin.

    • george lastrapes

      Can one protect the factbag with an appropriately padded kevlar cup? How can one safeguard the talking points from sound bites? Audio clips can be painful.

  • Ghoti theLinguist

    Sorry, not buying it. I lived through Reaganomics. It didn’t work then, & it won’t work now.

    • The Wanderer

      Same here. “Trickle-down” was exactly what candidate GHW Bush called “voodoo economics.”

      • Bitter Scribe

        …shortly before he joined Reagan’s ticket.

        • Cliff Hendroval

          A man of true integrity, that Bush.

      • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

        Most of us only know that because of Ferris Bueller.

  • The Wanderer

    I’m starting to think that maybe Huey Long had a good idea in his Share Our Wealth plan.

    • Paperless Tiger

      Unfortunately, it was short-lived.

  • gratuitous

    And after the profit-taking, the overrich come back to the trough asking for more, because they know there’s still two nickels being rubbed together somewhere, and why should any of the poors have that!

  • Ron Spangler

    “Monday, as the House and Senate groped toward reconciling their terrible tax cuts for the super-rich and corporations….”

    I see what you did there.

  • LadyLaz

    They are so good

  • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

    V&R are, at this moment, hands down, the best bullshit-stoppers in the media business–they are always prepared, always have verifiable multi-sourced facts, and absolutely will not let anyone get away with spinned-up talking points…they could be on 24/7 as far as i’m concerned

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      That’s one reason I hate NPR- the way they politely listen to the most bizarre RWNJ talking points in the interests of “fairness”.
      They would actually be better off if they ditched their Federal funding entirely and just went to a liberal talk radio format. They’d get way more individual funding.
      As it is, they’re just like the NYT. EVERYONE hates them.

      • Tetman Callis

        As long as they’re beholden to the right wing for funding, they’ll suck as much conservative cock as they think they have to.

        • NellCote71

          And that would be different from 90 percent of the Republican base, and the majority of the Senate and House how?

          • Tetman Callis

            Nope. Distinctions without a difference.

      • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

        Every time I hear “funding is provided by the Koch Family Foundation” I want to throw things.

      • orygone

        I don’t, looks like you are wrong

        • Rebel Scum with permit

          Well I do like This American Life and Marketplace. And one interviewer actually did lose his patience with Ben Carson.

      • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

        remember all thru the late 90’s and early 2000’s when the republican congresses and conservative mafia think tanks were always bitching about and threatening funding for NPR because they were ‘too liberal’?…yeah, this is what we get when we allow those assholes to have their way…their scheme to propagandise the country with their bullshit thru every possible media outlet has worked beyond their dreams

  • Donna Mueller

    LOOOOOOVE how they both stop the rabid repig talking points maypo piehole ejection. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Buzz1313

      They need to teach Chris Hayes this trick. Ever see him interview idiot Congressman Mo Brooks?

  • Rotisserie Teal

    And the scariest fucking part of the whole thing was at the very end when they mentioned he’s also on the “intelligence committee”

    I many start drinking early today.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Thanks for the summary. I listened to that guy whine for about two minutes and then had to turn it off. It was like fingernails on a blackboard.

    • Tetman Callis

      Yeah, I couldn’t do it, either. I don’t have to wade through shit to catch the stench. Thank you, Dr. Zoom, for doing the dirty work.

      • lurch394

        Though he’s a fool for doing it. Steely Dan said it, I believe it, that settles it.

    • NellCote71

      Whiny person with a weird lisp quotes the Heritage Foundation.

    • blaid droog

      Thank you for that succinct synopsis.

  • Bright Bart

    its always two percent growth/inflation. that is the stated goal of the Federal Reserve.
    here’s them splaining why

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/economy_14400.htm

  • NellCote71

    “The bottom line takeaway . . .” Ahem. You forgot to add “at the end of the day.” In fact, the phrase should read: Going forward, the bottom line takeaway at the end of the day. . .

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      They just needed to unpack it a little further.

      • Jeffery Campbell

        “Yes, let’s open the kimono a bit on that.”

        Just to clarify – that was an actual sentence spoken by an actual man in an actual meeting that I was attending. After he said it, there was a really loud noise and then I realized it was me screaming, “What is the MATTER WITH YOU!”

        • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

          How’d that shake out?

          • Jeffery Campbell

            LOL, somebody ultimately got fired. Let’s just say, I’m still there.

        • Mandorlind

          I heard that more than once in Texas. Around 2000, I think.

    • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

      At the end of the day…it’s night.

    • Smibo

      You forgot when all is said and done. There should be a when all is said and done in there, somewhere.

      • NellCote71

        Agree. My bad.

        • Smibo

          It’s all good. While we’re editing though, where do you think we should put the “and then the murders began” part?

          • Miss Dill

            My favorite part… : D

      • lurch394

        I’m just loving this cliche and commonplace festival! Party on!

    • Opiwan

      My BLUF is… (bottom line up front)

    • redblack

      that’s an awfully big ask.

  • Little?
    How about no evidence?
    Weird how we were our most prosperous when our rich paid a heck of a lot of taxes. SO WEIRD.

  • mardam422

    Evidence, shmevidence. I’m going to be rich someday. And I’m already tired of paying to help people who won’t be rich like me.

    • Smibo

      I actually had that conversation IRL with a winger, he of the 45k income and three kids in public school. He also flatly declared that he didn’t want to pay for my medical bills.

      • lurch394

        Public school? What a taker! He should put them in some Christian anti-science madrassa!

        • Smibo

          I’m sure he would, if he could afford the tuition. As it is, he has to home school the anti-science into them, just to counter the corrupting influence of the science they learn every day at regular school.

          I did point out to him that childless me has no problem with paying for his kid’s educations, because I’d rather not live in a town full of uneducated idiots. Which is ironic in a way, since I live in Florida.

  • Boscoe

    The obvious silliness, of course, is that the economy is spurred by HIGHER taxes on the wealthy and corporations, in part because they get out of paying some of those taxes by investing in their own infrastructure, which creates jobs.

    I just don’t get how ANYONE could buy into the premise that lowering taxes on the rich spurs anything but deposits into offshore accounts.

    • Smibo

      Rest assured that the rich aren’t buying into that premise either; they’re just hoping everyone else does.

  • Doug Wagner

    When did they throw him out a window? Your headline says they literally did that. I want to see that video.

    • Smibo

      Since the headline did not include the obligatory “with votes”, we can only assume that Dok has banhammered himself, so he’s unable to reply.

      • Delu

        They DID “defenstrate” that guy LITERALLY!

        Not with vote, as in they DID that!

  • Manhattan123

    These Republicans are used to going on Fox where they actually ARE smarter than the fuckwits anchoring there.

  • smart sexy libtards.

    DO IT.

  • Maybe

    While I would have enjoyed seeing them literally throw this guy out a window, they only did it metaphorically.

  • WhoCheckedRussia’sVoterID

    In Canada, we have the “big banks” making record profits. Fists full of cash that are taken from the pockets of little people. Huge concentrations of wealth. And there appears to be zero motivation to do shit about it, even with ya boi Justin. He’s got his hands in the piggy bank too, just like his Finance minister. Hard to get my knickers twisted about bank robbers, when its the banks doing the robbing.

    In the US, we have, time and again, had small brained gubners who have attempted time and again to wrest what little wealth there is available from the poor and middle class so that the rich can have more money. In each and every case, these poorly conceived economic policies have done the opposite of propelling real economic improvements for the average citizen.

    We have republican politicians saying “look what we doon for ya! Heres’ an extra 13 bucks a week for you to spend on your booze and women and whatnot! Why aren’t you happy?! Ingrates!”

    This is fucking insane. A large segment of the population is totally cool with the fact that this gov’t is willfully fucking the shit out of the American People. Those same people that would scream about the debt during The Obama Administration have no goddamn problem with the debt growing by over a trillion dollars under this peice of shit administration?!

    Its fucking sickening that we roll over and say “why worry about stuff we can’t change” when western democracy is being sold a chunk at a time to the highest bidders. The weird thing is, its us that pay the bidders, not the other way around.

    I am more worried about western democracy right now that I have have been in the last 11 months. trump’s not getting impeached. trump isn’t not getting escorted out of office. trump isn’t going to jail. He might maybe possibly get booted in the next election. But then again, he very well might win. And it makes me sick.

  • phoenix00

    Why can’t we have Ali Velshi and Stephanie Ruhle on every news network?

    https://i.imgur.com/euUKA2q.jpg

  • Jukesgrrl

    I love those two. Some day fools will get a clue and stop going on their program. Until then, I enjoy the comedy.

    • bpnjensen

      I’ve not seen this yet, but I will look out for it. I hope Stephanie slaps him back.

  • Debra Dassow

    They do a very good job, once and a while Ari can be a little sexist towards Stephanie.

  • Gina Szanboti

    I realize this is pedantic, but this word makes me smile so here goes. If they had literally defenestrated Stewart, that would mean they threw him out a window.

    Pretty sure that’s part of the joke, but again, I like that word.

    • whyieverdidit

      I give ’em a blank Czech to do so.

    • Hiss

      I too was greatly disappointed.

    • Me too. Then I remembered that an official definition of “literally” is “figuratively” now. SMH.

  • bpnjensen

    I agree – Ali and Stephanie beat him black and blue and sent him packing back to FascistPedoPartyland.

  • lurch394

    Chris Stewart, Trenton Garmon, Brad Thomas. Please, right-wing morons, please keep sending knife-wielding idiots into the gunfight that is Velshi & Ruhle.

  • Lordpnut

    “Aristotelian leg tingle”? Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays? Excellent. Definitely adding that to my lexicon.

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