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It’s time for a national conversation about the Urchin Problem

We already knew that the Republicans’ tax cut plan would give rich assholes lots more money to be rich assholes with, because they paid good money for their Republican majorities and now it’s time for the hired help to deliver. And we already knew that after a few years, taxes would actually go up on anyone making less than $75,000 a year, with the benefits still flowing to the really rich folks. But now the Congressional Budget Office has factored in the net costs of all the spending cuts thrown into the plan to try to keep the huge tax breaks from blowing up the deficit, and that new analysis shows that not only will lower-income Americans get hit with a tax increase, they’ll also lose significant benefits, resulting in a net loss for folks making under $30K a year by 2019, and later, in 2021, people making less than $40,000 a year would also find themselves in the hole. And then they’ll probably run out and vote Republican after Donald Trump blames Mexicans for working Americans’ troubles.

The biggest driver of the additional pain for working-class families will be the GOP War On Healthcare. Ending the individual mandate, which the CBO estimated would increase premiums so much that 4 million people would lose insurance by 2019, would lead to an additional 13 million uninsured by 2027. The Joint Committee on Taxation had already issued a report showing that the loss of health care tax credits would hurt lower-income families, but the CBO went one better:

The CBO also calculates what would happen to Medicaid, Medicare and the Basic Health Program if the Senate GOP plan became law. The CBO is showing even worse impacts on poor families than the JCT did.

Who wins and who loses the most, and when? Here, have a chart from the CBO! The negative signs in the table indicate net tax cuts for wealthier Americans — and just look how big the tax burden will be on the lower end of the income scale as time goes on:

Not surprisingly, Republicans are dismissing the new CBO projection as mere piffle, since as everyone knows, health care is a choice, and if families choose to go without health care and choose to never get sick or injured, ever, then they won’t incur these supposed costs. All you have to do is decide not to get cancer or heart disease or diabetes or be born with a congenital illness, so this plan really rewards people who make good choices. Especially those who choose to be born rich. Besides, poor people don’t pay much or any income tax to start with, so losing tax credits for insurance — which the government pays directly to insurance companies — won’t hurt their wallet at all! As long as they have perfect health, which everyone should decide to have, for sure. It would be very irresponsible of any poor people to ever be sick or injured, and this plan simply makes sure they pay for their bad decisions. And if they can’t pay, they can always go to the emergency room, where they have to be treated, and that can be their healthcare plan, which no one will ever have to pay for, except for the tens of billions of dollars a year in uninsured ER visits that have to be picked up by hospitals and then spread throughout the healthcare cost chain.

In any case, while Republicans don’t give two ripe shits about the health or finances of tiresome poor and working class Americans, some of them do worry that the tax bill might add too much to the deficit, while others worry that it’s still not generous enough to the rich, so any effort to get more senators on board by giving the rich even more might run into trouble from the two or three deficit hawks still in office, and vice versa. And through it all, the Rs are still trying to sell this mess as a “middle class” tax cut, even though the early cuts for middle class taxpayers expire early to keep the deficit from ballooning.

Obviously, the Senate wants to vote on the thing this week, because they promised to pass this for America/their donors. Enjoy losing your healthcare to help Donald Trump’s kids avoid the estate tax. YAY!

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  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
  • miss_grundy

    Trumpsters are fine with it as long as it hurts liberals. But at least, liberals can still mock Trumpsters for being suckers.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Mocking them harshly and often will be the fuckin nicest thing we will do to them.

      Something, something, something, pointy votes.

  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

    Obviously, the Senate wants to vote on the thing this week, because they promised to pass this for America/their donors.

    The effect on Trump voters? Rectum, it did.

  • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

    THE FREEDOM: IT BURNS!!!!

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      I’m pretty tired of all this winning.

  • Anna Rompage

    Let me get this straight, not only does their tax cuts blow up the deficit, but everyone pretty much gets less for the increased debt we are about to take on, except for the most wealthy of course, and the corporations too?

    Didn’t the GOP do this under Bush? Cut taxes & give bigger rebates during the boom cycle of our economy, which drove up the deficits, and then balked at deficit spending when we really needed it after the Great Recession hit…

    • ImGoingBacon

      because a Black was Leading the Free World during the recession.

    • shivaskeeper

      There were a couple of wars that were financed on the credit card mixed in there too. Cutting taxes to support war is… ill conceived.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        Yup. The Republicans screamed about the deficit once Obama started putting the wars “on the books” after W spent all those years not counting them against his budget.

      • Anna Rompage

        That it is… One of the ways we paid off our debt from WWII so quickly is tax rates were raised slightly, and back then, people didn’t seem like they were opposed to pitching in…

      • Indeniable Ron

        Fuckin’ A, brah.
        – Emperor Wilhelm II

    • PubOption

      Reagan showed them that deficits don’t matter, as long as the right party is in power.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Republicans, including Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), have argued that their bill helps Americans across the income spectrum. They say the JCT and CBO analyses are misleading because buying health insurance is a choice. If an individual or family no longer wants to do it, then that is their decision. They also argue that lower-income families are not losing any money in their wallets.

    No, instead they will lose their credit rating after they have to declare bankruptcy after a medical emergency. Well done, assholes!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c5ca8479ef79999dd6934b94a0f1eede974b2f7954ebb20e8a89b40e4a37a0f4.jpg

    • Timothy Watson

      A bankruptcy just gives those poor, defenseless banks an excuse to charge you higher interest rates, so a win all around for the GOP.

    • Indeniable Ron

      Pfft, like they’ll be able to afford fresh fruit.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Senate Republicans asked the JCT to calculate what happens to families across the income spectrum if only the tax impacts of the Senate bill are taken into account (so assuming zero impacts from the individual mandate repeal). The JCT sent the table below to Senate Republicans. It shows that all income groups — including people earning less than $30,000 — receive a tax cut.

    But that changes in 2027 because the Senate GOP bill currently allows the individual tax cuts to expire in 2026. In 2027, people earning less than $75,000 would end up paying more, according to the JCT. Republicans say Congress will likely extend those cuts, but that counts on future lawmakers taking action.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  • La forza del resistino

    The GOP suggesting that the temporary individual rate cuts will be extended by some future Congress is akin to the guy telling his partner, Don’t worry, I won’t *** in your mouth.

    • Bobathonic

      “And neither will the next guy.”

  • vermonter9

    Imagine the surprise on the coal dusted faces of all those MAGA voters when they figure this one out, too late. Hell, fuck em’ harder boys, those dopes deserve it.

    • Timothy Watson

      They won’t figure it out. They’ll claim until their dying day that Trump cut their taxes and they’re better off.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      They’ll blame Democrats, or Messicans, for their problems.

  • BMW

    If Trump really wants to imitate the policies of the 1920s, maybe he could include “Silent” Cal Coolidge’s policy on talking too much.

    • StrangerCaptainHowdy

      I can think of one of Warren Harding’s policies he could imitate.

  • BadKitty904
  • BMW

    “This all sounds really familiar right now for some reason.”
    -students studying the causes of the Great Depression

  • calliecallie

    Does it ever occur to Republicans that one day they make take all this too far? That French Revolution thing didn’t go so well for the rich folks. It could happen here. You never know.

    • kilgoretrout

      And our peasants have more firepower.

      • Indeniable Ron

        Unfortunately, so do the cops and military.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I’m sure they’ll take a cue from the Iranians and allow free Jello-wrestling or whatever in order to keep the masses appeased.

      Or, more likely I guess, MORE JEEBUS

      • Indeniable Ron

        Hmm… is this perhaps why the faux-Xtians are pushing the Republican Jeebus on America so hard? Are they planning on going public with a message like, ‘God says you must honour and respect the wealthy, and you don’t want to defy God, do you?’

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          I think they’ve been public with that message for a good 2,000 years or so.

  • x111e7thst

    screw the poor. it’s a feature not a bug

    • Oblios_Cap

      Poverty is a moral failing linked to not sending enough thoughts and prayers.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Amid the final push to pass the Senate tax plan, which is at a make-or-break moment today, Republicans have now hatched two separate schemes, each designed to win over a different bloc of undecided senators. But the two maneuvers could contradict each other — and the contradiction would neatly reveal the big scam at the heart of this whole enterprise.

    Several deficit-hawk senators, such as Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), are demanding that some kind of “trigger” be added to the bill, which would raise taxes later if the plan’s tax cuts end up adding to the deficit. The bill would boost the deficit by $1.4 trillion in the short term. Some Republicans have argued that the spectacular growth unleashed by the plan would offset that, but Corker and company (and many economists) are skeptical; hence the demand for a tax-hike trigger. As of now, how this trigger would work, and whose taxes would go up, are unspecified.

    At the same time, Senate Republicans are currently looking at ways to make the bill more generous to owners of “pass-through” businesses, to win over holdouts Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Steve Daines of Montana. Research has shown that most pass-through income goes to the top 1 percent: As the New York Times put it, to win them over, Republicans are “increasingly tilting” their plan “to benefit wealthy Americans.”

    tl;dr: Republicans are making it worse and worse by the day.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I can solve the mystery of who will pay if deficits rise and higher taxes are triggered – the poor don’t have any money, so they aren’t paying, and the rich own the GOP outright, so they’re not paying any more in taxes, so the middle class will foot the bill, as usual.

    • Indeniable Ron

      If such a trigger is included, we all know who will see the tax hike. Hint: it won’t be people whose names rhyme with ‘shmoke’ or ‘shmercer’ or ‘shrump.’

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    I think I’ll vote Republican, then bitch and moan about the Democrats not stopping them from doing exactly what they promised to do.

    • marxalot

      Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party does exactly what it promised to do, despite having control of two brances of government, voters shocked. “I’d always thought that political promises were just lies and double-talk!” said Valeria Attamont, 47, of Altoona, PA, “Who knew they were serious? This is America!”

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      This might be an easier route than the one we are currently taking.

  • ManchuCandidate

    I am torn between laughing at the ruination of many Trumpanzee voters and depression that this will crush non idiots as well as the finances of US Amercia like a Trump Condo tower in Toronto.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I’ve had this same feeling, and I call it “Schadentrumpe.”

  • calliecallie

    You know how in some Europey places and maybe Canada they have that “vote of no confidence” thing, where the sitting govt gets scrapped and they all have to start over? I want that in Amercia.

    • marxalot

      I wondered why we didn’t have one, then I went and looked up the answer: we copied our bicameral legislature and its rules over from the Brits before they got that rule, which wasn’t adopted until the 1860s sometime.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      To work, that still requires legislators who will put country before party. No Republican would ever do that.

    • Indeniable Ron

      We do indeed. And we’ve used it a fair bit.

    • The parliamentary system to which you refer means that the cabinet must have the confidence of the majority of the Lower House. I.e. it would be chosen by, and answerable to, the GOP House caucus. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

    OT Ivanka Trump’s solo outing to a business conference in India was met by a bit of a collective yawn on the streets of the technological hub city of Hyderabad.

    The senior White House adviser on Tuesday headlined the Global Entrepreneurship Summit, which aims to support female entrepreneurs and promote global economic growth.

    “I encourage everyone here to come together, learn from each other and find new ways to lift barriers in our society so that women are free to innovate, empowered to succeed and able to leave our children a brighter future,” Trump told delegates in the event’s opening speech Tuesday.

    “In OUR society.” Dear Ivanka, you’re in India, it’s a country that is not the USA. You are welcome. Itt, out.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/ivanka-trump-s-pushes-women-first-prosperity-all-india-n824406

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    “…not only will lower-income Americans get hit with a tax increase, they’ll also lose significant benefits, resulting in a net loss for folks making under $30K a year by 2019, and later, in 2021, people making less than $40,000 a year would also find themselves in the hole. And then they’ll probably run out and vote Republican after Donald Trump blames Mexicans for working Americans’ troubles.”

    Well, libtard, do you expect me to vote for a filthy DEMONRAT?????

    Also, too, by 2021 Democrats will probably be back in power, and the drooling GOP base will blame Democrats.

  • BMW

    You know what is weird to me? How when you ask Trump supporters about his many failures and all they want to talking about is the Stock Market. So I made a thing. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/838cdc051171caf293b53e618751947efd6c455eab3361465c94cccf03aaf6e1.jpg

    • I just read the other day that the biggest and most booming stock market in Africa is… Zimbabwe. That’s because, with their own currency hyperinflated to fuck and no-one trusting the banks, everyone with any money puts it in shares. It is certainly no vote of confidence in former President Mugabe’s economic management.

  • TJ Barke

    Feudalism just got a bad rap and all.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Fucking peasants weren’t rejoicing hard enough.

      • PubOption

        Such villeiny.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Most serfs really loved their lieges, or so I’m told.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        They liked putting down their farming implements and coming up to the house after a hard day of laboring in the fields. Or the shorter version –

        Serfs up, hoes down.

      • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

        Bring back Prima Nocta!

      • Indeniable Ron

        If they didn’t want their heads decorating the barbican, that is.

    • Timothy Watson

      Make Feudalism Great Again!

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Update: Reporter Steven Dennis points out that Johnson and Daines are proposing to pay for their idea of making the bill more generous to pass-throughs by doing away with some deductions enjoyed by corporations.

    But Seth Hanlon, a tax analyst with the Center for American Progress, tells me that we should not presume this offset will prove to be real until we actually see it in the bill and it’s subjected to serious scrutiny. If not, Republicans would have to find the money to pay for this elsewhere, or it would increase the deficit.

    Beyond this, the broader point still holds: The underlying problem here has always been that Republicans are trying to push a permanent tax cut that would overwhelmingly benefit the rich, while selling it as primarily a middle-class tax cut and claiming it won’t bust the deficit.

    tl;dr: They still can’t figure out how to put a square peg into a round hole.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    Not only does this plan balloon the deficit, it guarantees that there will be no long-term fixes to stabilize the debt. After all, even the rosiest “dynamic scoring” of this bill still blows massive holes in the budget for the next 10 years. And if growth doesn’t hit those impossible targets (which it won’t), then not only can you forget about any sort of government fixes for things like recessions or economic spikes, you can also forget about any sort of budget that makes any major changes to spending levels (except in the downward direction).
    This tax plan will basically handcuff every Congress between now and 2027 to 2017 spending levels, at best.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      To say nothing of the hole it will almost immediately blow in State budgets when they have to shoulder even more of the burden for infrastructure, health care, education, and law enforcement.

      • Oblios_Cap

        My Republican father always bitched about the Federal Government’s unfunded mandates and blamed it on the progressives. I wonder what he’d say about this shit.

      • Indeniable Ron

        That happened in Ontario. Mike Harris’ inaptly-named ‘Common Sense Revolution’ downloaded many provincial services onto municipalities who were in no shape to take on more responsibilities – including things like highway maintenance and education spending. Municipal taxes jumped while provincial taxes remained the same, and many small independent communities were forced to form regional municipalities or townships to be able to afford to do anything at ALL.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    Ryan: “The key to garnering public support for this tax bill: Lie early and often.”
    Trump: “You lost me at garner…”
    Ryan: “Just be yourself, Mr. President.”
    Trump: “That’s my favorite thing to be!”

    • Villago Delenda Est

      “No, not James Garner. You don’t want to get hit by lightning.”

      • PubOption

        “What about Jennifer? Could she persuade Capital One that I don’t have too much debt to get a credit card?”

  • Villago Delenda Est

    These maggots have no problem with wealth redistribution, as long as it’s from the poor to the rich.

    • marxalot

      Class warfare, but for their side.

      • cmd resistor

        I read that as “crass warfare” the first time.

        • Indeniable Ron

          Same-same.

        • Daniel

          The Battle of the Bulge was one of the opening engagements of crass warfare.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Oblios_Cap

      Those Russian scamps!

  • anon_the_great

    The ER does not provide medical care if you are thought of as homeless. As a volunteer counselor seeking to ameliorate the suffering of the my town’s chronically homeless I learned there was no such thing pain meds for the poor. If you show up at the ER unkempt and maybe a little drunk with some part of you bruised, broken or burned, no pain killers for you. No ifs, ands or butts.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Wow, really? They hand them out like candy here.

  • ariel_gee_398

    This is why the media needs to stop fixating on the “economic anxiety” angle for poor and middle class white Republican voters – they don’t actually give a shit about their own economic condition as long as they’re sure minorities are getting fucked worse. Giving them the cover of “economic anxiety” in the face of reality lets them perpetuate this myth – perhaps even to themselves.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      It’s all about the xenophobia, the racism, the misogyny, and the resentment.

      • ariel_gee_398

        Exactly, and if people want to vote that ticket, that’s their right, but we should make sure they’re doing so openly, not euphemistically.

    • BMW

      The “economic anxiety” talking point falls apart once someone points out that Trump won every income group of white people. Unless rich white people have more economic anxiety than poor minorities, the argument doesn’t really hold up.

      • Indeniable Ron

        They do. They can’t sleep at night, thinking someone else might have more money than they do.

    • BigCSouthside

      Economic Anxiety was a way for white coastal elites to stomach what happened.

      It’s easier to take than “a lot of people who look like you are hateful pieces of shit, and we DEFINITELY aren’t past racism”

  • Mr. Blobfish
    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      Trump is accusing them of raising taxes.

      That’s it, I’m out and thanks for all the anchovies.

    • Oblios_Cap

      They must have done something right to have it cancelled.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      Never mind that nobody has mentioned raising taxes, although Democrats SHOULD mention it in 2020. I wouldn’t mind seeing a 20% increase in taxes on the wealthy, with most of it going towards paying down the national debt, that REPUBLICANS blew up when they elected Bush.

      • chortlingdingo

        I’m solid middle class (what’s left of it anyway) and I honestly don’t mind paying more taxes, AS LONG AS those taxes aren’t subsidized cuts for the rich.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          With rising health care AND rising taxes, I don’t think much will be left of the middle class in the next 10 or 15 years.

          • chortlingdingo

            Yeah, probably not. I’m not sure if I’ll end up better or worse off though.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            When Republicans are in charge, you will ALWAYS be worse off. The National Association of Realtors is also predicting that if this bill passes, home values will drop from 10 to 17%. If you’re middle class, you’re going to get screwed, either now or in the future.

    • BMW

      “They’re weak on crime,” said the guy recently sued for fraud and now under investigation by the FBI for obstruction of justice.

      • Mpeg

        Not to mention acting as though Roy Moore’s indiscretions are a big nothingburger from his POV. Weak. Sad!

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Art of the Deal, mothafuckers. Always begin negotiations by insulting the other side, questioning their motives, and questioning the efficacy of even trying to reach a compromise.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      That’s some kind of art of the dealing there. With his brilliant strategy of driving everyone away from the bargaining table, ten days is more than enough time to get this hammered out!

    • cmd resistor

      I don’t see a President,.

    • h4rr4r

      No reason to do that. Chuck can tell him what a great job he is doing, Nancy can complement the seasonal decorations and then he will do whatever they suggest will make him popular.

      This is a little kid who will do anything to be liked.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    And:

    Even as the plan is being changed in ways that will further reward the wealthy, the New York Times reports that Senate GOP leaders aren’t that interested in helping another group of taxpayers:

    Mike Lee of Utah and Marco Rubio of Florida, for example, appear to be making little progress in persuading party leaders to expand access to the child tax credit for low-income families, by allowing the credit to be refundable against payroll tax liability. Such a move would allow working parents who do not currently face income tax liability to still benefit from the expanded credit envisioned in the bill.

    Per usual, it appears the changes are geared toward winning over conservative holdouts, because Republicans who say they want a less regressive bill can be counted on to vote “yes” in the end.

    Thanks Ivanka!

  • BadKitty904
  • davej1s

    Yes, this is a terrible tax bill. The true tragedy is what is being done to punish Puerto Rico by this bill. Goods produced there, by American citizens working for American companies, will be subjected to a 20% tariff. I suppose this is to punish them for having the temerity to ask for help after the hurricane. If never stops, folks, and it never seems to get better.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      That tax bill also gives companies tax breaks to OFFSHORE jobs. That will certainly help bring back the coal jobs that nobody is crying out for.

    • h4rr4r

      Good old taxation without representation.

      I wonder if they want Puerto Rico to declare independence.

    • PubOption

      Not to mention Carmen Yulin Cruz telling Trump what she thought of him.

  • Resistor Radio

    Those urchins are just adorable. I want to give them soup and candy.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    I feel better knowing my children won’t be taxed when they inherit my (surely valuable) beanie baby collection, and all the other stuff I keep in the garage.

  • Oblios_Cap

    God Forbid the government be anything but one giant ATM for the well-heeled.

    • BadKitty904

      That’s certainly the GOP view of America.

    • President in Exile Firefly

      The well-heeled have lost their soles.

  • Blackest Noobs

    the fucked up thing is we SHOULD RAISE taxes….but mostly on the wealthy fat cats who have been using their accounting voodoo to pay no taxes for years.

    like that crock of shit about corps paying the highest corporation tax rate is bullshit….no corporation in the US actually pays the corp tax rate…too many fucking loopholes.

  • BadKitty904
    • Oblios_Cap

      The ones getting the tax cuts all look like really creepy people…

      • Indeniable Ron

        My observation has been that large amounts of money do that to a person.

        • ahughes798

          True fact: David Koch survived an airplane crash. Sigh.

          • Indeniable Ron

            I have a REALLY good joke here. But I don’t wanna receive the hammer.

      • BadKitty904

        They certainly are white

        • jowgajen

          That’s the sad thing. Groups of white people now seem potentially creepy to me. And I am white!

    • cmd resistor

      You know, Trump’s kids are a pretty unattractive bunch. At least the 2 older boys.

      • PubOption

        Ivanka looked a lot different before the nose filing and chin implants.
        https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Aj37lrHZ-hA/maxresdefault.jpg

        • Jenny

          She would look like Ivana. Lord knows she isn’t attractive, even with all the surgeries.

        • cmd resistor

          Yeah, I’d say her plastic surgery was more successful than that of her brothers (if, indeed the rumors are true that they had it as well). So now, while I would not describe her as unattractive, I would say vapid and/or uninteresting.

  • Jeffery Campbell

    Shall I be an esne, a peon, or a drudge under our new feudalism? It’s about options, you ingrates!!

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      SERF! Or get the fuck out.

    • Oblios_Cap

      One day I’ll move up from a villien to a knight. So give knights a tax cuts, posthaste!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Minion

    • Brewer. People are going to need booze in the Cyberpunk or post-apocalyptic future that awaits us.

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      I look forward to reading your newsletter – The drudge Report – with snappy articles like “how to make tomato soup out of ketchup packets you steal from McDonald’s.”

      • JohnBull

        After four years of Trump gutting the EPA, I wouldn’t be too sure on the water quality. Maybe just the ketchup.

    • LiberalANDProud

      I’ve already put in my application for geek.

      The authentic kind, not the faux bullshit made up techy kind.

    • Zach Williams

      None of the above.
      I’m not gonna have any money post taxes, so I’ll blow all my money on an expedition to find Avalon and, if i’m lucky, Excalibur.
      I know it’s just a legend. But I can dream dammit!

  • Blackest Noobs

    i predict if they do pass this tax bill..in a year or two…you’ll have all those dying middle classer rubes coming gunning for the wealthy.

    you will see heads on spikes…mark my words.

    • Indeniable Ron

      They’ll come for the Democrats, since this has been carefully timed to take effect after the mid-terms.

      • Blackest Noobs

        they’ll come for everyone. this is how shit happens, ask the french revolution.

    • TJ Barke

      And the wealthy will pay mercenaries well to kill them with their fancy military hardware.

      • Blackest Noobs

        ha ha ha mercenaries are not like in the movies…they’re like the worst soldiers ever. i saw a whole bunch of these dumbfucks get blown to bits.

        yeah i wouldn’t really worry about them.

        • TJ Barke

          Make no mistake, they will kill the uppity peasants.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            I got in an argument with another Wonker about this a few months ago. I think it had to do with climate change. Someone seemed to believe that the rich would be affected in the same way as the rest of us.

          • TJ Barke

            The insulation that wealth affords is why they won’t do anything about it.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Yes, but someone vehemently disagreed with me. As they the wealthy won’t build bunkers and send out their own armed militants to guard fresh water supplies.

        • Zach Williams

          Reminder – Because of idiots, Blackwater or whatever they’re called now is permanently banned from Iraq for thinking 17 civilians were dangerous terrorists.

      • Mavenmaven

        Because the rich are job creators!

    • Vagenda and Pee-ara

      You are too optimistic. You’re assuming they’ll know who screwed them. They’ll just assume it’s Obama, Hillary, the blacks, the gays, and the Messicans who screwed them. These aren’t smart people.

      • Blackest Noobs

        certainly….but i believe, cuz history proves it, the killings will come and it will not discriminate….so a rich liberal is just as likely to get a bullet as a rich conservative in this situation.

        you might be lucky if you have nothing and stay out of the way.

        • Vagenda and Pee-ara

          I don’t have a lot, and I’ll probably be joining the mob. I just worry what comes AFTER the revolution, because it’s usually a dictatorship.

      • Blackest Noobs

        also that is not optimism….it just the path we are heading toward….

        optimism would be thinking this will all eventually work itself out….probably will not this time around….

    • JohnBull

      I was half expecting this in 2009 when the rich crashed the economy. The only people who stood up to this shit were the Occupy crowd, and we saw how supportive the rubes were of that.

      • Blackest Noobs

        it was cuz Occupy was mostly students, kids…when it starts effecting them, they’ll be ready to murder folks.

    • Jenny

      Here’s hoping.

    • LiberalANDProud

      That would mean the people would have to take away from their, tweeting and masturbating to internet porn time.

      You may want to rethink your position.

      • Blackest Noobs

        this bill kinda kills all the porn and tweeting….for example you need for the most part peeps with post-graduate degrees to upkeep all the porning and twitting on the internet, this tax bill would make those peeps less so because the bill wants to tax their “free” tuition as income.

        it’s balls stupid and that is JUST one example of how this bill is shitty and will be shitty for everyone….sure they think they’re fucking over the liberals by getting them in the universities but they only end up screwing themselves in the process.

  • Indeniable Ron

    Y’know, America, you once fought a WAR over unjust taxation.
    What changed?

    • h4rr4r

      You realize that was a war so rich folks did not have to pay taxes right? The end result was the rich folks stayed in charge, but paid less taxes. Revolutionary my ass.

      • jowgajen

        We are nothing if not consistent.

      • MynameisBlarney

        That is not the ONLY reason we had the Revolutionary War.
        Though it was the biggest.

        • Indeniable Ron

          IIRC there was also that bit about Mother England not allowing the colonies to invade settle in Indian territory.

          • h4rr4r

            You mean more land for the rich?

          • Indeniable Ron

            That’s the one!

        • TJ Barke

          Yeah like taking the Ohio valley from the red indians.

      • TJ Barke

        And then they put down the poor hard.

        • MynameisBlarney

          They sure showed those gall darn whiskey brewers what for, didn’t they?

          • Bitter Scribe

            When poor people in PA started forming “committees of correspondence,” in exactly the same way that Samuel Adams and his “revolutionary patriots” did before the war, Adams called for them to be hanged.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          and then the murders began

        • Jenny

          Actually, I would like to just be hanging out when they find out the poor lazy takers who don’t deserve life are actually, ya know, looking back at them in the mirror.

    • Catstro

      We fought a war against Nazis, too, yet here we are…

  • I’ve voting for Guillotine in 2020.

    • Indeniable Ron

      At last, a female President!

      • texcynical

        Wouldn’t that be Guillotina?

        • Lance Thrustwell

          I believe he’s referring to the tradition of calling the guillotine “Madame Guillotine,” but I could be wrong.

        • Indeniable Ron

          That’s Mme Guillotine’s young Italian niece.

      • Crystalclear12

        She’ll cut thru the red tape!

    • President in Exile Firefly

      And running mate Pitchfork!

      • MynameisBlarney

        But….but…
        What about Torch?

        • President in Exile Firefly

          Secretary of State.

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          used them all up in Charlottesville

        • Crystalclear12

          We’ll keep the light on.

    • BearDeLaOursistance

      Her campaign materials will spread as memes on Tumbril.

      • Bitter Scribe

        Dammit, I had to delete my tumbril joke because yours is better.

        • BearDeLaOursistance

          There’s room for more than one Tumbril joke in Wonkistan. We is a cooperative place, not Social Darwinist like a common Galt’s Gulch…

    • Arolpin

      As long as you’re not voting for Giuliani (because he should be in JAIL by then).

    • TJ Barke

      A sensible candidate for a better America.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      I plan to take up knitting in 2020. I’ll grab a lawn chair and pick a shady spot.

  • Mavenmaven

    Donald “Ferdinand Marcos” Trump

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      Silvio Berlusconi libel.

      • MynameisBlarney

        Bunga Bunga Libelz!

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    I actually think these fuckers may pass this wretched tax bill.

    • h4rr4r

      I bet it fails by one vote.
      This way people who wanted to vote no can vote yes and the senators who are not returning can take the blame.

      • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

        Meanwhile, America continues to fail by 62,979,636 votes.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        ACA repeal V 2.0

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        I hope you’re right.

    • BadKitty904

      I think they’ll pass it, even if they have to break laws to do so. Their owners have given them an ultimatum.

    • MynameisBlarney

      I am not so sure they will.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Tax cut’s are the foundation of their party, so I’m starting to feel that they might pass it.

    • JohnBull

      I’m sure when democrats take over in 2020 we can undo it.
      Not sure if that’s snark anymore.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        It’s not snark. I think Dems have a pretty good chance in taking back the Senate in 2018, and the presidency in 2020. I’m assuming we’re still holding free elections on those dates.

        • no not the senate. we have a better shot at the house and i’m not optimistic about that. the senate we’re defending like 2 to 1.

    • Bitter Scribe

      Why do they not need 60 votes?

      • LiberalANDProud

        Because unlike the spineless Democratic Majority in the first Obama term, these fuckers follow through on their threats.

        https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/01/mitch-mcconnell-tax-bill-gop-votes-241212

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        They’re bypassing the usual way of getting a bill through, and doing it under budget reconciliation rules. That’s why they will have to raise taxes on the middle class in a few years, because the budget recon rules don’t allow them to increase the deficit by more than $1.5 trillion over ten years, so they have to figure out how to keep the tax cuts for the wealthy, and thus fuck everyone else.

        They only need 50 senators, and Pence, to pass it through the Senate. If they lose three senators, it will fail, but it’s not looking good at the moment for the sane people.

    • SDGeoff3

      I’ll tell you another thing. Moore is going to be seated in the Senate.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        Yeah, I think you’re right, and that mortifies me.

        • SDGeoff3

          There is more outrage ahead. I’m counting on it.

          • Vagenda and Pee-ara

            I’m getting outrage fatigue. It’s starting to seem normal to me to be constantly pissed off, like a common Tea Party moran.

  • JohnBull

    Doesn’t matter–the democrats are always the tax and spend party, because that’s what radio talk show host said 50 years ago.
    I hate these people so much I’ve already turned down two Christmas parties and don’t plan to attend funerals for at least one of them. Can’t stand hanging around people who want me to be poorer than I already am.

  • cmd resistor

    So Sarah says Dems are not playing nice:
    “It’s disappointing that Senator Schumer and Leader Pelosi are refusing to come to the table and discuss urgent issues. The President’s invitation to the Democrat leaders still stands and he encourages them to put aside their pettiness, stop the political grandstanding, show up and get to work. These issues are too important. The meeting will proceed as scheduled with Speaker Ryan, Leader McConnell and administration officials who are committed to getting things done. If the Democrats believe the American people deserve action on these critical year-end issues as we do, they should attend.”
    “Put aside their pettiness, stop the political grandstanding,” HA HA HA HA!

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      one should go pull the comments from the other side during the ACA debate…or any of 1,000 other efforts that Rs opposed NO MATTER WHAT!

    • Ian

      I hate it when they say “Democrat”, it’s “Democratic”, Sarah, you insane pile of rabbit droppings.

      • SDGeoff3

        They know that and they do it to get that reaction. I hate it too.

        • tinker12

          That’s why they’re known as the “RepubliCON” party ’round here.

    • alpacapunchbowl
  • Jenny
  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    how this does haven’t every “economically anxious” “drain-the-swamp-er” out in the streets with pitchforks is beyond me.

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω

      Fox News is telling them “It’s Great! #MAGA!”

      dumbasses.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      They think they are sticking it to libtards and brown people, so it’s all good.

  • Crystalclear12

    Republicans think they can get away with this because they believe the average person doesn’t pay attention to this stuff but even as we speak the poor and middle class are calling their accountants and asking the same question:
    What does this mean to me?

    • JohnBull

      I don’t know any middle-class people my age who have an accountant. Sounds like one of them Boomer professions.

      • Crystalclear12

        Most people have someone do their taxes for them. That’s who’s getting calls.

      • Rebel Scum with permit

        We are Boomers- we don’t have an accountant, we have a tax lady. She claims that she’ll simply quit the profession if this cluster is passed.

      • Indeniable Ron

        I know someone who IS a tax accountant. Most of his clients only dream of being middle class.

    • Blackest Noobs

      i argued with my mother-in-law just this past weekend about the tax bill…she had opinions but none of them based on facts or actually knowing what is in the bill.

      that dumb cunt and her cuck husband voted for Trump cuz Hillz was worst.

      everyone is a fucking idiot in this fucking country, and in some ways, I believe we fucking deserves this shit because we all got way too complacent.

      we’re fucked regardless.

      • Lefty Wright

        Yeah, even in the midst of the efforts to repeal the ACA, some poor white people who depended on Medicaid to stay alive insisted Trump would come up with an even better plan for them. He promised. Regardless of the fact that all of their plans would end the Medicaid expansion and Trump promised to sign whatever came across his desk. One story I read had a 56 year old unemployed lady living off food stamps, Medicaid, and a disability check. She had diabetes and other chronic illnesses. The reporter told her Trump planned on cutting or eliminating all of those. She said she would be disappointed if he did, but would give him TEN more chances before she stopped supporting him.

        • Blackest Noobs

          someone should mercy kill her….fucking dumbfucking moron.

  • LiberalANDProud

    “because they paid good money for their Republican majorities and now it’s time for the hired help to deliver.”

    http://marketmadhouse.com/rich-democrat-angry-attacks-billionaires/

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    I’m wondering if McCain will vote for the tax cuts, and also, an obligatory “fuck you” John McCain:
    “Palin resigned the governorship of Alaska less than a year after she and McCain lost to Barack Obama and Joe Biden. She reinvented herself as a TV fixture, mostly on Fox News, and helped stoke a gathering populist wave that manifested itself as the Tea Party movement. In 2011, a little-known conservative filmmaker named Stephen Bannon made a documentary about Palin called The Undefeated; he was convinced she could win the presidency itself in 2012 if she tapped into the country’s growing anti-establishment fervor. In the end, of course, it was Trump whom Bannon helped storm the Oval Office, but for many, Palin was the prototype. And it was McCain who brought her to the national stage.

    Palin is a “wonderful person,” McCain told me. He says he lost his presidential run because of his own shortcomings, the near-implosion of Wall Street toward the end of the campaign, and a “biased” and unfriendly press, particularly when it came to Palin. “To blame things on Sarah Palin is a cop-out,” he said. “The fact is that they were out to get her. They ridiculed her. They denigrated her.””

    I’ve always blamed McCain for foisting Palin on the world, AND that eventually gave us Trump. In conclusion, FUCK John McCain.
    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a13119478/the-last-detail/

    • ken_kukec

      “I like former PoWs who don’t foist grifters on the public, OK?”

    • Ωbjectifier

      Biased press?? They’ve been sucking your cock for 30 fucking years John.

  • Indeniable Ron

    ‘Champagne’s deductible, right?’

    • Prollynottoday

      Only Boli.

      • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

        Cheers, darling.

  • Ricky Gay

    “It’s time for a national notional conversation about…”
    Fixed it, for republicans!

  • Amy!

    Notice the line that shows the largest bonus (negative number) over all the years? $100K-$200K.

    Anyone happen to remember how much members of congress are paid?

    • ken_kukec

      Hell, if you can’t graft your way up to seven figures, ya got no bidness bein’ in congress in the first place.

  • Zach Williams

    Well, at least when we get screwed by the tax bill and sent to financial hell, we’ll take those country dumbass Trump supporters with us!

  • Me not sure

    So the bill was passed out of the Senate Budget Committee on a straight party line vote. Both Corker and Ron Jon voted yes. Fuck those guys.

  • Prollynottoday

    Cant remember who but some old French guy, when he read our Constitution, said our govt would never work in the long run. This type of democracy will not produce good and wise leaders for the Republic, only short sighted selfish ones to benefit the few. I think de Tocqueville. Or someone else. Link about the Tax Scam. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/11/28/gops-new-scheme-to-save-trumps-tax-plan-reveals-the-scam-at-its-core/?utm_term=.37cac30ac8cf

  • The Trump tax plan should be cause for celebration. If it hurts anyone most, it’s the Trumpets. If it benefits anyone the most, it’s liberal elite,

  • Boy the vote for economic parity is really paying off, isn’t it rampant hatemongers “white working-class Trump voters”?

  • Delu

    This is the objective of the bill right?

    So the title may not be as snarky as one might expect.

    Screw the poor = Mission Accomplished for the GoP.

  • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

    “The CBO also calculates what would happen to Medicaid, Medicare and the Basic Health Program if the Senate GOP plan became law. The CBO is showing even worse impacts on poor families than the JCT did.”

    that’s nice…that the CBO is taking the time and effort to figure that in….now, they should go the extra step and calc how much worse off those of us wanting to retire in the next couple yrs will be when this idiotic bill crashes the economy and takes our shitty little 401k’s with it

  • Herewegoagain

    Trump’s greatest accomplishment will be destroying the Republican Party. The US voters may be dumb, but they do have some rudimentary learning capacity…If you think Donald John is unstable and confused now pushing ..’ This disastrous tax plan solidifies his inside-track front-runner status in the race to win the title of Worst President Ever..? we can be rest assured – he has plenty of blunders up his sleeve. Count on it: he will screw up again, and soon…

    • tinker12

      I feel very fortunate that Twitler is such an unlikeable, stupid fk-up; everything he touches turns to sh!t. If he were really good at being a sociopathic dictator like Hitler or Stalin, we could be in a far worse mess.

  • Nothing puts a gleam in the eyes and a smile on the faces of Republicans/cons like the prospect of decimating the middle class and stomping on the poor, the needy and the desperate.

    That’s what their billionaire owners pay the GOP to do; they might as well just say it.

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