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Morning Wonketariat! Here’s some of the things we may be talking about today, but first, have some caracal kittens!

After photos surface of Al Franken appearing to grop a sleeping radio show host back in 2006 during a USO tour, he apologized, vowed to comply with an ethics investigation amid bipartisan condemnation. GOD FUCKING DAMN IT, AL!

Wait a minute, how/why the fuck did Nixonian ratfucker Roger Stone know about Al Franken hours before the story dropped?

Polls in the Alabama Senate race are showing an eight-point lead for Democratic candidate Doug Jones, but the election is still a month away.

The Alabama GOP is going all in on Roy Moore, effectively closing off any chance to dump him before the election.

Robert Mueller and his team of extraordinary investigators have subpoenaed the Trump campaign for Russia-related documents, and the Senate Judiciary Committee is telling Jared Kushner to cough up a bunch of other emails and phone records he conveniently left out of his other document dumps. [Archive]

Investigators are wondering why Jared may have also had several other undisclosed contacts with Russian officials between April and November of 2016. In his defense, Jared’s lawyer says it’s hard for him to remember every single call and meeting with people from Not America. There were just so many!

Former Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak was on Russian teevee and said that he’s met to so many Trump officials he can’t even name them all. REALLY?

George Papadopoulos says Trump called him to offer a “blank check” to pick any senior administration job to represent his White House in Not America.

The Senate Judiciary Committee wants to have a chat with Trump’s old business buddy, Felix Sater since he has a history of snitching on sketchy Russians.

After Congress finishes fucking over all the poors who can actually afford to pay their taxes, Trump wants House Republicans to fuck over welfare recipients too.

The Senate Finance Committee has given the green light to the Trump/Ryan tax cuts (for the super rich) that will kill healthcare and jack up taxes on poor folks in flyover country.

South Carolina Republican Sen. Tim Scott is co-sponsoring a bill on background checks in an effort to close the so-called “Charleston Loophole.” Scott also acknowledged that gun control is “not his practice.”

More attention is being paid to bills that would overhaul the Office of Compliance, the tiny room where allegations of sexual harassment against members of Congress go to die. The goal is to have wrongdoers, not taxpayers, pay for settlements, stop blaming victims, and to end the practice of making victims sign NDAs in settlements.

Chuck Grassley is ramming judicial nominees through the approval process, and doesn’t give a shit about your protests, bullshit, or your blue slips.

The head of the DHS Center for Faith-Based & Neighborhood Partnerships has “You’re Fired” himself after audio of him calling black people lazy, anti-Semitic dope fiends who only want to have sexy times.

New polling indicates that Republicans should be worried about 2018 as Democrats begin leaning in to races they normally wouldn’t. Clearly this is a subtle hint that you (YES, YOU!) should run for local office.

SCOTUS Justice Neil Gorsuch gave a smug, obnoxious speech to the Federalist society, joking that, “When it’s done, everyone who’s not a lawyer is going to think I just hate truckers…but so be it.”

The Keystone pipeline has burst near Amherst South Dakota. And to think, the Nebraska Public Service Commision was about to issue a permit to connect the Keystone XL portion to the existing pipeline.

The State Department’s Foreign Service Officers are “being depleted at a dizzying speed,” according to American Foreign Service Association President Barbara Stephenson, so Congress sent a nasty-gram to REXXON, only to get a response that can best be summed up as, “Meh.”

Miami Republican Rep. Carlos Curbelo is calling Democrats “bigots” for denying him membership in the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, just because they think he wants to deport lots of Hispanic folks.

The people over at Cards Against Humanity have bought a chunk of land in the path of Trump’s Tortilla Curtain with the specific purpose of wasting the government’s time.

A bunch of Latino legislators from California are in Not America trying to do something (anything) about climate change, not just the smog hanging over LA.

The Fort Bend County, Texas Sheriff has decided to back off trying to “talk” with the owner of that anti-Trump truck now that he’s been made aware of the First Amendment — so he arrested her for unrelated fraud charges.

Gay hatin’ Jesus freak and Ohio State Rep. Wes Goodman has “You’re Fired” himself after being confronted about all the homosex he’s been having in his office.

A bunch of people in North Carolina are full of sads and butthurt over Trump’s “chaotic,” “corrupt,” “dangerous” and “embarrassing,” first year, however some are still “optimistic” that he won’t crush their hopes against a rock.

A new invesigation has found a lot of shady money flowing through the Trump Ocean Club in Panama, as well as a grifty scheme to push apartments, not to mention how the Trump Organization didn’t have a fuck to give due to its impending bankruptcy.

The US and Russia are are in the midst of a bitter standoff in the UN over investigating whether or not Syria used chemical weapons on civilians, causing the Swedish ambassador to comment, “I hope the victims of chemical weapons are not watching our debate right now.” [Archive]

The Freedom of the Press Foundation is about to cut off Wikileaks for being a conspiracy peddling assholes who no longer need their money. There’s also Julian Assange’s repeated harassment of board members — and that’s besides the allegations that he’s a gross sex monster and terrible house guest.

If you needed another excuse not to see your family this Thanksgiving, try using the one about how the DHS successfully hacked the avionics of a 757 and experts are still arguing over the actual extent of the danger.

Here’s a long, thinky thing on Andrew Anglin, the neo-Nazi asshat behind the Daily Stormer.

Neo-Nazis have been declaring brand loyalty, and it’s making some companies very uncomfortable.

Gene Simmons has been banned for life from Fox after he finished an interview and barged in on a staff meeting, then “pulled open his red velvet shirt to reveal his chest and belly…Then he [started] telling Michael Jackson pedophilia jokes and then bopped two employees on the head with his book, making derisive comments about their comparative intelligence.”

And here’s your late night wrap-up! Stephen Colbert reminded us that there’s sexual harassment on all sidesJames Corden talked about butthurt “formerly verified” Nazis on TwitterJimmy Kimmel thinks Batman might need the help of the Notorious RBGSeth Meyers had some talky time with Chris HayesThe Daily Show had some thoughts on Roy Moore and Al Franken and talky time with Bernie Bernstein Jon Stewart; Jordan Klepper had some talky time with Jon Stewart; and Sarah Silverman had some honest words about and sexual harassment and supporting victims.

Here’s something weird for the weekend! Ever wonder what would happen if you staple a radical 80s beat on Tomi Lahren shitfits?

And here’s your morning Nice Time! BIRTHDAY KOALAS!

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  • Bill D. Burger

    Al apologized and welcomed an ethics investigation. He should resign right after the predator in the White House apologizes and welcomes an ethics investigation___and resigns.

    • ImGoingBacon

      Watched the interview Jake Tapper had with Leeann Tweeden. She didn’t want to see Franken resign, which I thought was interesting. She wants to make the world better for her children, by adding her voice to the rise in other voices coming out against their accosters/molesters/rapists. I hope this helps enlightening others about the depth and breadth of these incidents.
      While people may consider her tears to be non-genuine, she came across to me as sincere.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        I can understand where she’s coming from on not necessarily advocating that he should resign RIGHT NOW!!111!

        If all we’re getting out of this long-overdue conversation is should be fired, who should resign, or who should even go to jail, then we’re missing a very large part of the picture. Yes, all of that would definitely feel good, but we on the left already know that reactionary punishment alone is not enough.

        If we aren’t also using these incidents to explain what sexual harassment/assault is and how we can educate men (and women) why it’s inappropriate, after the heads have rolled and things have quieted down, it will be back to business as usual–boys being boys, and women being silenced.

      • Emily Sieger

        she cried like Juanita Brodderick and Jake fell right into the trap .

    • coozledad

      Let’s extend the Al Franken metric and use it as precedent for every case going forward. Because Donald Trump raped a 13 year old. He raped a thirteen. year. old.

      The process by which this country became governed by white trash began with the videots who came of age in the fifties and sixties. After a brief stint as hippie losers they threw away the pajamas and let Mammon peg them up the ass. The latest iteration of Reagan they foisted on us is a child sexer from the Russian mafia.

    • ArgieBargie

      Look, Franken’s fate is something only future Senate Ethics Committee Chairman Roy Moore can decide.

    • J. M. Tusks, Esq.

      And the ethics investigation will recommend he stay, because no one wants to set that precedent. Half those fuckers have worse skeletons than this, I assure you.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        Only half? I would guess more like 2/3 of the male and maybe 1/3 of the female congress critters.

        • J. M. Tusks, Esq.

          Your comment sent me on a journey of discovery to learn that all of Congress is only 19% female. Yeah, I’m not a lady and even I don’t want to be within grabbing distance of those creeps.

          • Lascauxcaveman

            By my calculator that gives us 27.55 congressladies who could be sex creeps! And almost 233 congressboys who are sex creeps, which actually sounds more plausible.

  • Nounverb911
  • Nounverb911
  • MAKE SURE YOU COME BACK FOR EOD!

    This is the only hint I’ll give you.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a752896fdbf05a9b1bc093ee9f794d614d7c55ec3d1ad498f8b71c86690aaa76.gif

  • Nounverb911
    • Mine calls me “Baldy”

      • From Russia with Love

        Pfft. Phones talk like they’ve go enough hair to fill a king’s mattress.

  • OneYieldRegular
    • Jackie Jackstein FTW

      I thought Seb Gorka declared that the era of the pajama boy was over. Hmmm.

    • Bill D. Burger
      • From Russia with Love

        Well Donald, I realize that reform school was as close to being in the military as you ever got, but it would actually be pretty hard to fuck or otherwise molest someone in the back of a C-17. Wide open fuselage with a cold aluminum floor except for the most uncomfortable seats in the world, cargo rollers and grit strips for traction.

    • eyelashviper

      So tiny, Putin just laughed and smacked them away.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    A friend sent me that Atlantic piece on Anglin/Daily Stormer a few days ago. Mother of God, that is one sad sack sociopathic motherfucker. My guess: In 3 more years, he’ll be a televangelist or a right wing talk show host.

    • Old Nick

      Nope. Dead, from votes and no $

  • Nounverb911
    • BadKitty904
      • Meccalopolis

        They’ll pay, they’ll ALL pay

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Yeah, she was on Chris Hayes explaining why total, meek, cone-of-shame capitulation is the only choice for Democrats.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      Not while Turnip and Moore go without consequences.

    • TundraGrifter

      That’s a pretty stupid position – it isn’t fair but we should do it anyway?

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        It’s not fair, but we should do it anyway in a desperate and futile attempt to appease the right, who will laugh, carve another notch in their pistol, and welcome Roy Moore to the Senate.

      • Jackie Jackstein FTW

        Gotta capitulate to the fascists after all. The Democratic party is nothing if not consistent in that.

      • eyelashviper

        They excell at Bothsiderism, and are too intellectually lazy to comprehend the damn difference between stupid behavior and serial criminal behavior.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      WHY. WHY is it always the Democrat that has to take the ethical fall? FUCK THIS.

      • Meccalopolis

        we’re better than them

    • TundraGrifter

      There were a number of people in the room (on the airplane?) at the time the Franken Photo was taken. The official USO photographer took the shot and gave it to everyone there – including the woman. Obviously others thought it was funny and not serious. Do they all get fired today?

      • jesterpunk

        He also took responsibility for his actions, didnt blame anyone else for it or issue a half assed “sorry your offended apology” and apologized to her for it which she accepted. He also called for an ethics investigation into himself. What he did was wrong but he handled it the right way and it sounds like he can learn from it.

        • alwayspunkindrublic

          He must be flayed and burned at the stake so the Republicans can feel better about electing Roy Moore.

          • Indeniable Ron

            If Senator Franken is compelled to resign and Moore gets elected…

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            Then it’s time we take it to the streets.

    • Jackie Jackstein FTW

      Why? He admitted it. He apologized. She accepted his apology.

    • That’s a fair argument due to the precedent it could set.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        Hmmmm… precedent hasn’t been doing too well in either house of congress lately. Or in the wold of politics in general. I think if Al fell on his sword over this, it would accomplish exactly nothing. Al has been shamed, but the other side simply has no shame.

        It’s tough. We want the world to be a better place, and yet…

        • They can be embarrassed, but only people with a conscience can be shamed. (Like Franken.)

    • BloviateMe

      Exactly how far right must the Overton window move? It’s getting ridiculous.

      • Indeniable Ron

        If it moves any more, moderate Republicans will be all the way to the LEFT.

        • insolenttomato

          Who?

    • From Russia with Love

      NYT should fucking go.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Honestly? A person whose job was to be a paid, professional asshole acted like one – and he should resign now?

      • The Wanderer

        God help Andrew ‘Dice’ Clay if he should ever run for office.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Fuck the NYT.

  • SomeBigRedDog

    THOSE KITTENS LOOK EXTRA MEAN.

  • Jeffery Campbell

    Okay, 80’s pop song LIBELZ!!!1!11!!

  • Eileen Besse

    Don’t resign, Al. Let it set a precedent for ethics investigations and then let them ALL be investigated–including TRUMP.

  • Nounverb911
  • grindstone

    Dear god that zookeeper gets awfully close to that drop bear. F’ing FEARLESS.

    • BadKitty904

      Say, how is your son coming along? You’d mentioned he’d hurt himself, I believe?

      • grindstone

        Aren’t you kind to remember! Yes, he fumbled his brain during wrestling practice and landed on his neck and pulled his back. LUCKILY, although it scared him a bit at the time, it was minor, and Advil plus rest has helped. He could bend over and put his shoes on yesterday without howling. School’s out next week so he can continue the rest, and then hopefully get back to sports.

        My step-sis who lost her husband is coping, but of course she’s exhausted. My sis was able to get to the service and said it was packed, which is a mild consolation. He was a good man, and only 45. In other news, cancer is still a bitch from hell.

        • BadKitty904

          Glad to hear he’s on the mend! And if he’s an avid sportsman, a little bit of a scare now might lead to a valuable sense of caution ongoing.

          There is nothing practical I can say about your sister’s loss. I can only hope your brother-in-law’s suffering ended quickly and that time will help all of you deal with this loss. My genuine condolences…

  • BadKitty904

    In re: Franken – given the SHARP increase in activity by putinbots in online media this week, it looks like Putin/Russia now determine not only who is “elected” to Congress, but who remains in Congress.

    Thanks, GOP collaborators!!!

    • Bill D. Burger

      They flooded the two tweets by The Fucking Moron last night. Praising him and his amazing and humorous insight (*calling Franken, ‘Frankenstien’ [sic]) and defending his own on record sexual misconduct. The Russians know how to play him like a fiddle.

      • BadKitty904

        And the Republican Congress continues to do nothing.

  • alwayspunkindrublic

    So, Gene Simmons is a posturing, misogynistic right wing attention-whore dickhead? I.e., the reason he was popular on Fox in the first place?

    • FlemmishSpy

      He and Ann Coulter could make a splash by dating and later breaking up.

      • Opiwan

        Thanks, I really wanted to throw up in my mouth a little this morning. ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED!

      • Old Nick

        Ew, ew , ew. Ann Coulter dating ANYONE

    • Jackie Jackstein FTW

      Is it Slow Gin time again?

  • TundraGrifter

    “Wait a minute, how/why the fuck did Nixonian ratfucker Roger Stone know about Al Franken hours before the story dropped?”

    Because the woman in the photo works for Faux News?

    Which doesn’t, of course, make what he did right. It was wrong. It was obviously supposed to be a joke and it wasn’t funny. He apologized for something that happened a long time ago – as, I’m fairly sure, all of us would have to do about one or two things we’ve done that we wish we hadn’t. Or we didn’t that we wish we did.

    Personally, when I’m in a car I’m not riding on the dashboard.

    • coozledad

      I’m waiting for the investigation, because this shit has the stink of Roger Stone, Sean Hannity and desperation.

      One reason Franken has welcomed the investigation is because he knows it’s ratfucking, and he knows it will pull a lot more Republican trash into the spotlight.

      Look for the Republicans to call for a censure vote and move on, because an actual investigation would start to overlap with Bob Mueller’s.

      • Historicat

        Investigate them all. Investigate Donnie, investigate everything which comprises those settlements Jackie Spier was talking about. All of it.

        • Indeniable Ron

          All of which should have bene done long ago.

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        The Stink Of Roger Stone is my next album title.

        • Lascauxcaveman

          And nobody, NOBODY will want to hear it.

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            So, pretty much like all my other records then.

      • TundraGrifter

        I think Sen. Franken will place that incident in the context of the entire USO Tour. Personally, I think a good deal more went on than has come to light so far.

  • calliecallie

    Maybe I should have been a zookeeper.

    • Resistor Radio

      I was just thinking that.

    • OneYieldRegular

      I’m impressed by the roar on that six-week-old kitten. I can’t imagine what it’s going to be like when she’s six years old.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        I think that’s the cutest sound. Maybe we could have a whole thread of nothing but baby animals making cute noises and just generally being cute?

        • Indeniable Ron

          Maybe we could have a whole DAY of nothing but baby animals making cute noises

          • From Russia with Love

            Or maybe we could have SOME MORE MOTHERFUCKING INDICTMENTS!!!!!11!1. .

          • Good_Gawd_Yall

            Yes, yes . . . you’re quite right. THOSE I would accept.

        • Joe Beese

          It sounds like Tom from Tom & Jerry when he pretended to be the MGM lion.

    • Joe Beese

      Say what you will about We Bought A Zoo, I like a movie title that gives you the whole premise right off the bat.

      In fact, I’d say that replaces my previous favorite:

      Rodney Dangerfield is going… Back To School

      • SeeTrain65

        Harold & Kumar Go To White Castle?

    • tza

      One of the happiest days of my teenagehood was keeper for a day at the local zoo. I loved getting to help all the animals by doing food prep and cleaning and such. It was fun tossing the food over to the monkeys.

      We had a huge lemur troop that just exploded for a couple years. The young ones were great fun, they’re very kind and sociable until they’re a little over a year old so we could let guests come and say hi to some, then they could live out their live on lemur island. Which later became two lemur islands.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    Everything is terrible.

    • Joe Beese

      Well, there are cats and dogs.

      Otherwise, yeah, pretty much.

    • Old Nick

      and I have had a miserable feverish,achy cold for the last two days.

  • Kiri the Unicorn

    “Clearly this is a subtle hint that you (YES, YOU!) should run for local office.”

    I wouldn’t be a viable candidate. Not in a town where most of the entries in the Strawberry Festival parade come from local churches. I’d be characterized as a big-city liberal who’s trying to shove atheism, science education, and homosexuality down peoples’ throats- which would be true.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      I’m in the same boat, except for homosexuality you can substitute “gawdless slut what got preggers outside of the bonds of holy matrimony.”

      • Lascauxcaveman

        I’m in the tough position where both my State legislators and my congressmen are really smart, progressive, and photogenic Democratic incumbents.

        Plus I’m mostly deaf and wouldn’t be able to understand a single word said in meetings, those endless boring meetings…

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      Sheesh, unicorns and their libtard agendas.

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        IK, R?

    • tza

      I’d be seen as untrustworthy due to being single but could probably use my dog well in campaign ads. He’s very cute and persuasively nice.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4dd899925d649d96522d2c94bfaa02f523a7432083f42b77499963bcd91f0cae.jpg

    • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

      I’d also be sure to have pictures surface where oops, my bewbies maybe came popping out of my couture.. and that isn’t only back when I was doing RHPS cosplay.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Hey Dominic. Here’s a better link for that Kislyak story. that one goes to a Roy Moore thing.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/16/kislyak-wont-name-trump-officials-hes-met-because-list-is-so-long.html

  • Crystalclear12

    My fault, my fault, I ignored the “start drinking NOW” kitten video at the top.

  • Monsieur_Grumpe

    I am not surprised that tRump has the insolence to comment on Al. His hypocrisy is boundless. Maybe the mountain of women he molested will start speaking out with more intensity despite the threats they will no doubt receive.

  • folderol

    Franken, Franken, Franken
    The shit that you just sank in!
    You naught boy
    Girls are not toys
    Do NOT request a spankin’!

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    I would like to put in a plea for an entire day of stories about nothing. Could we have a piece on those cakes we like? Some recipes for using canned clams? A whole thread about Blake Shelton and other dubious “Sexiest Men”? How about some equal time for emergency puppies? I’m pretty sure I can’t cope with another whole day of actual news. TYVM

    • NastyBossetti
      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        Aww! Thanks!

      • alwayspunkindrublic

        “What mischief should I pull today?”

        • NastyBossetti

          Same as every day lately: make me beg and plead for him to go outside and pee, and then spend the rest of the day whining if I’m not continuously scratching him in the exact right way that he wants at that moment, which will change in the following ten seconds. He’s getting up there and not feeling so great these days :-(

          • alwayspunkindrublic

            “If you didn’t want to scratch me all day, why did you adopt me?” Thanks for giving a sweet old boy a loving home.

      • PUPPY!

      • Opiwan

        NEED MOAR EAR RUBZ!

      • Meccalopolis

        I like the cut of that dog’s jib!

    • OutOfOrbit

      ok! imagine, if you will, being a guy & having you balls waxed. thoughts?

      • Opiwan

        I’m pretty sure I’d be incapable of actual thoughts if that were happening… too much other overactive nerve activity occurring!

    • bupkus231

      Didn’t we just have an open thread that was all about dick jokes? Gotta stay current!

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    Well, my house is divided over the Franken issue: my daughters want him to resign, I don’t. My political instinct is that Democrats are always too quick to react in situations like this, that Republicans know it, and that the advantage is always to the Republicans.

    The New York Times is a newspaper that helped get Donald Trump elected by defaulting to the most extreme attacks against Hillary Clinton. Here they go again.

    Moreover, to me some ugly and unwanted jerkish antics on a USO tour does not equal—does not equal—the persistent grooming of young girls by a pedophile, or the serial abuse of women by the president including the accusation of marital rape by his first wife (later retracted, as part of a financial negotiation), the ugly allegation of child rape, and his own boastful remarks about jamming his hands into women’s private parts without their consent.

    As for the fantasy that if Democrats only set a good example, we’ll put Republicans on the spot—aha, we’ll have them where we want them, in a position where because of our purity they have no choice but to follow or be destroyed at the polls—-oh, please. Grow up. Just grow up. This is not how it works. This is not how it has ever worked. If you think it is, please read up on ACORN, and Shirley Sherrod, and then get back to me.

    If Franken had raped a woman, or pressured her for sex, or threatened her with destruction if she talked, it would be different. If there were evidence that he had repeatedly, for years, pressured unwilling women to participate in sexual acts, it would be different. But he didn’t, and so far at least, there isn’t.

    Unlike Donald, he didn’t commit overt and repeated acts of sexual aggression, nor did he turn teams of operatives loose to threaten victims and family members with ugly, perhaps violent consequences if they talked.

    My daughters see every act of sexual aggression as equal: all felonies, no misdemeanors. I don’t. It’s going to be a nasty fight at the Thanksgiving table next week, unless we all concentrate very hard on the pies.

    • I once got accused of stalking because I was socially awkward and deathly terrified to talk to a girl. I had NO IDEA how it looked until a mutual friend confronted me. I was so horrified that I walked up and apologized. She said she wasn’t interested, so we took some shots, drank a beer, and laughed about how I’m A Idiot. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2667e7793c3cafb458f9d5960775f9fb8b68bf00a82aa13acd22350c19301498.gif

      • OutOfOrbit

        we all have our smudges

        • Sometimes we don’t learn until we fall really hard on our faces.

          • OutOfOrbit

            i like to keep a proverbial mirror handy and before accusing/criticizing/judging others, i take good hard look into that sucker

          • nightmoth

            As my elementary school teacher used to say, “When you pint your finger at somebody, there are three of your fingers pointing back at you.”

      • eyelashviper

        Good point, in that we may perceive our behavior based on how we feel, which can be as you describe, but others can see it very differently. And any woman who has been assaulted or molested will be far more sensitive in judging the behavior of others, sometimes seeing benign behavior very negatively.

    • OutOfOrbit

      i am also torn too. on one side I think wutz’er name’s age and having already exploited her own body for for financial gains makes me wonder if she was not flirting hard on AF to make it with a “star” — and watching her describe the details on my TeeBee toob she looked smug and sadistic, but that’s just me and my own personal opinion.

      OTOH, there are no excuses for AL’s behavior. he was being a pig. i too have been a pig and i am sorry, embarrassed and ashamed of myself.

      • Don’t blame the victim. Ever.

        It’s a cardinal rule.

        • OutOfOrbit

          but are there never mitigating circumstances to factor in? yes or no, Cardinal

          • nightmoth

            Yes. Years ago I worked at a sexual assault center. We had a sudden series of college girls who, after getting drunk in town and walking back to their dorms, were attacked and raped. Our mantra was “It’s not the victim’s fault, it’s the rapist’s.” And it was, but that was no reason NOT to caution young women to stop getting drunk and walking home alone while there was a predator on the loose. Which we did, but not until after a lot of seriously dogmatic arguments that pretty much stank of cosseted white privileged feminism.

          • No. No-one is EVER “asking for it” or being an “acceptable victim”, no matter how slutty or Fox News they are.

          • OutOfOrbit

            one time wife & i were at a bar with a group celebrating a girl getting her MD Phd. one of the other girls straddled my lap and pulled her shirt up in my face. i just looked and wiggled my eyebrows. several beers later she was sitting at the bar, i slipped up behind her and did a reach-around boob grope thru’ her shirt (sweater actually). a pic was taken just then. she spun around, saw it was me and she threw her arms around my neck, “I’d know those hands anywhere.”

            that much is true, this part is not: ten years later she publishes that one pic and accuses me of sexual assault. what say you now?

          • Ha ha, if a woman hypothetically lied about sexual assault, that would prove that women lie about sexual assault. BRILLIANT. :D

            (Also, never ever say “what say you” again unless you are acting in a Shakespeare play.)

          • OutOfOrbit

            : D

      • NastyBossetti

        It’s HER body, to do with as SHE wishes, including make a living from it. It is not for OTHER people to do with as THEY wish. That is the entire point.

        • OutOfOrbit

          i also suggested that she may have been hitting on him, egging him on, i didnut mean to suggest she was not a victim. below-ground pools are an “attractive hazard” and there are laws about fencing out children and before there were laws, there were innocent victims. not the same, i know, i was only implying that an act of bad judgement don’t always mean wicked, or criminal

          • NastyBossetti

            I agree that an act of bad judgment doesn’t make a person evil or criminal. I think it’s fair to wait and see what the ethics investigation discovers, and if the woman in question accepted his apology and doesn’t think he should resign, that’s good enough for me. I’m not the injured party here.
            I also think it’s not ok to imply that a woman posing for revealing pictures is related to what she says was an assault (not just the photo, but the forced kissing). Nobody in this story has made the claim so far that she was flirting with him. You’re saying that because she used her body to make money.

          • Think of it as analogous to a mugging. If someone shows off his wealth, or openly gives to a charity, that doesn’t mean that he or she must give money later to somebody who demands it.

            There are certainly foolish and dangerous ways, times, and places to display wealth, but that never means that he deserves being mugged.

    • nightmoth

      ” see every act of sexual aggression as equal: all felonies, no misdemeanors”
      Yeah, there was a lot of that on here yesterday. I wonder if it’s because: bear with me here— whether or not we were raised Catholic or Protestant, whether or not we quit going to any church at an early age—most of us were raised in a highly dualistic culture. Everything can be divided into wrong or right, black or white with no shades of gray. IMO, most human conduct exists on a continuum.

    • eyelashviper

      Good luck at Thanksgiving, sounds a bit stressful.
      Shades of grey are the most prevalent hues in our worlds, rarely just black or white.
      I consider myself a long term feminist, and have seen more than my share of crude and sexist behavior over many decades, but can see the difference between insensitivity and predatory, even criminal behavior.
      Anyone who has ever attended business conferences can attest to seeing business associates, who are usually quite well behaved, act like morons and monkeys at the bar after day long sessions, and are usually quite subdued when returning to work.
      Al has never seemed like a dishonest guy, and after all he was a comedian and was on a USO entertainment tour, which have a tradition of bawdiness, so it is likely that this was just very bad judgment on his part, and on the part of the rest of the crew perhaps.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Re the bit about all sexual aggression being the exact same thing:

      There actually is a movement–that includes people on the left and among sexual assault survivors–towards “restorative justice”. All the calls for blood yesterday were making me uncomfortable yesterday, though I didn’t realize why, because there was so much focus on MANDATORY PUNISHMENT NOW!!!!11! As an libtard, the pro-PUNISHMENT angle tends to skirt the edge of being overly reactionary, which has lead to certain things like “mandatory sex offender registries” that some would argue has created its own form of injustice.

      Is punishment all that is needed to make victims/survivors whole again? That’s something that ONLY the victim/survivor can say. Sometimes an apology or acknowledgement of the wrong done to them is enough in certain situations. Sometimes for the good of the community, being locked away is the best.

      • bupkus231

        Nancy LeTourneau had some words about the difference between “restorative” justice and “retributive” justuce in yesterday’s “Washington Monthly” Political Animal blog:

        Link: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/11/16/quick-takes-a-case-of-restorative-justice/

        I think this may be another “difference” between liberals and conservatives, between Christians who believe in the Golden Rule and “Christians” who still go by the OT “Eye for an eye”. The only time a conservative will allow for redemption is if they’re ( or one of their tribe ) the ones seeking it – if it’s an “other”, fuck ’em and throw the book at ’em.

        • YoBunnyBunny

          What we witnessed with Franken and Tweeden was that he did some soul-searching, apologized and demonstrated that he was aware of the harm he had done. She accepted his apology and then suggested that their process is how real change could happen in the community/culture.

          I recognize that in Franken and Tweeden we are dealing with two
          mature adults who are capable of participating in a process that can
          reach this conclusion
          . But it’s worth noting how that was done. At this point, the ethics committee investigation will go forward and our
          retributive justice system will play itself out. But these two have
          already done the real work.

          This is definitely refreshing.

    • Persistent Demme

      So do my girls.
      I think it’s generational.
      I love that they will not hesitate to tell cat-calling miscreants to fuck off, but the flip side seems to be, as you say, “all felonies, no misdemeanors.”

    • armed_bears

      He’s toast. Sad to say. But toast.

  • ForePlinger

    Turns out that Lee Ann Tweeden is buddies with Hannity, the photograph taken was witnessed by several individuals who state that Sen. Franken was doing a CPR bit, not an attempt at groping, and Roger Stone mysteriously knew about this hours before it was released. It has all the signs of a right wing media takedown. Because Hannity’s buddy, right there, is killing any credibility to this story.

    • Me not sure

      That’s why Franken is confident in requesting an ethics investigation. There will be witnesses to all of this.

    • eyelashviper

      That was my guess, looking at the photo. Al was aping for the camera, and she was wearing a flak vest and helmet, kind of odd for flying couture.
      Also too, there were obviously other people there who could describe what happened, as you just posted.

    • bupkus231

      “Turns out that Lee Ann Tweeden is buddies with Hannity…”

      Excuse me? Where the hell does this come from?

  • Joe Beese

    I think New Balance should lean in on this.

    A new ad campaign! [picture Don Draper removing curtain from presentation board…]

    “New Balance. The Official Shoes of White People”

    Do you know how many white people wear shoes? It’s a huge market!

    • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

      Welll now, that-all depends on what part uh the country yer in. Plenty o Roy Moore voters, f’rinstance, prefer to (allegedly) let them dawgs BREATHE if yuh know what I’m sayin.

  • Me not sure

    I’m sure Gorsuch doesn’t hate truckers any more than he hates all other working people. Equality!

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Ya know, By saying that, Kislyak is contributing to Trump-suspicion; that won’t help with US-Russian economic or military cooperation. It makes me think that the Russians’ primary goal in interfering with the election was sowing discord and strife in the US, rather than trying to ensure more favorable relations.

    Pretty dark, man.

    • Bill D. Burger

      They’d hoped to have sanctions lifted by Putin’s Pawn, and, to a degree, they have succeeded. He’s not able to reverse sanctions in place, but he’s totally negated the sanctions imposed overwhelmingly only a couple of months ago by refusing to implement them at all.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Hm. Both goals are at least partly achievable, then, as long as Trump continues to play ball and/or remain oblivious.

    • weighmaster

      DingDingDing!!

  • MynameisBlarney

    Old timer just dropped of an ancient Detroit Diesel 671 cylinder head.

    At least it’s the 24 valve instead of the 12.
    Those are still in demand in South America.

    • BadKitty904

      Dang. Is it fueled with coal or what?

      • MynameisBlarney

        Coal squeezins.

  • Douglas White

    I don’t think I will ever get why people just don’t come right out and get to the IMPORTANT part of the situation regarding things like the Franken/Moore/Weinstein/Spacey allegations.

    When it comes to right/wrong or good/bad, there are only TWO kinds of people.

    There are the ones that do bad things and then realize what they have done is bad. Understand that it hurt another actual human being, who is every bit as important as they are, and they feel bad about what they have done. They then try and change their behavior, and hopefully do fewer and fewer bad things as they mature.

    And then there are people who do bad things and never even understand that the people they have hurt are important. They care only how their actions affect their own lives… will they be caught?…. will they be punished?…. did they get the thing they were after?…. but never for even one moment stop to consider how anyone else has been impacted. They will alter their behavior ONLY if they believe that alteration will benefit them personally, and if they feel there is no chance of any negative response to their bad behavior, they will keep that behavior up indefinitely.

    It seems pretty clear whaih group Al Franken falls into, and which Group Roy Moore, Harvey Weinsten and Donald Trump fall into. The jury is out on Kevin Spacey with regard to which group he fits into, though it doesn’t look good from what we’ve read…

    But to be clear…. THERE IS NO THIRD GROUP…. no group of ‘never did anything bad to anyone’. Sure there are men who never made unwanted sexual advances to women, but NOBODY is without sin. Some people ‘get it’ at a very early age and stop acting solely in self- interested/sociopathic ways, but no one starts out that way.

    • eyelashviper

      thank you.
      I seriously doubt that there is one human out there who has not done something rude, obnoxious, or demeaning to another person at some time in their lives. When people can recognized their bad behavior, apologize for it, and change, that is what matters.
      The sociopaths who continue to harass, molest, steal, abuse, rape or whatever will never apologize nor change, and we need to separate them from the good people in our world.

      • coozledad

        The way I was raised to think about women screwed me up considerably, but I got my own dose of physical and emotional abuse pretty young, and figured out everything the patriarchy told me is bullshit.

        I still think most of my early relationships with women were fucked up by a bizarre, overweening need. I wasn’t physically forward, but I was pretty damn passive aggressive.

        All I can say is it keeps me awake nights. As it should.

        • eyelashviper

          Well, you’ve come a long way baby!!

        • nightmoth

          You’ve grown up. Congratulations! Some people grow old but never grow up. You’re a thoughtful human. Now get a good night’s sleep

    • YoBunnyBunny

      “But to be clear…. THERE IS NO THIRD GROUP…. no group of ‘never did anything bad to anyone’.”

      Truth.

      • BloviateMe

        Yup. This was a point I was trying to clumsily make last night.

        It’s a nudge embarrassing when someone does a better job with one sentence than I did with a long paragraph.

    • Without going into details, I have it on good authority that Kevin Spacey was an complete asshole.

      • BloviateMe

        Turns out he really was Keyser Soze the whole time.

      • I would say that even beyond his despicably gross sexual behavior, stories have ALSO come out that Kevin Spacey has been a egotistical tyrannical diva on many of his sets. He sounds like an unpleasant person all around.

      • nightmoth

        That was a real disappointment to me! However, I have male friends who were not surprised. It was interesting to me that my radar didn’t work on Kevin, but my husband’s did.

    • Jackie Jackstein FTW

      I am inclined to agree. When I was 18 years old, I kissed a friend of mine. It was an unwanted advance and she let me know it was. I immediately pulled away an apologized profusely. I lost a good friend and learned a valuable lesson and never moved on anyone like that again.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      I’ll go you one further: there is only ONE group. And that group is composed of individuals, all of whom are on a spectrum. That spectrum goes from almost perfect to almost completely evil.

      You can divide that group into as many subdivisions as you like. But it’s all one.

      • Douglas White

        I completely agree in principal. The reason I broke the spectrum into two groups was that one group represents people within that spectrum who will likely over time improve their behavior, while the other group represents people in the spectrum whose future behavior will be relatively random…. some will improve, many others will stay the same, some will actually get worse. Ability to empathize is probably the single biggest factor in predicting a person’s movement within the spectrum…

    • the_steamer

      This is the second time I’ve posted this response but it seems relevant to the discussion so here goes:

      I have to look at this from my own experience so it looks really bad. See I didn’t get harassed and I “don’t recall” harassing anyone but I did serve overseas. I was in the Navy, not the USO, but then I never had to wear that helmet and vest because I was on a ship with more layers of defense than an airplane flying around the Middle East. Regardless, the conditions were uncomfortable, stressful and at times
      scary. I wasn’t in charge but I was a part of the crew and the whole goal is to support each other and keep each other safe. We had a chain of command and the UCMJ to guide us. It’s not perfect but it worked most all the time.

      Al Franken would have been older than any of us. He had over 50 years experience to draw on to figure out how to behave and how to support his team in a stressful,
      uncomfortable, scary environment. The fact is his behavior made this woman’s experience worse. Turns out even when she was asleep and in thecompany of her crew she wasn’t safe. Terrorists and resistance fighters and other hazards weren’t enough, she had to worry about the people she was relying on for her safety potentially betraying her.

      So he now admits that his actions were wrong for a comedian.

      He should tell the world and especially Alabama and Donald Trump (and even
      Bill Clinton) that his behavior isn’t right for the Senate, no matter what an ethics committee might find. He knows what he did.He doesn’t need a committee to tell him it was right or wrong, neither should any Senator or anyone else who wants to lead their country from those seats of power.

      • Douglas White

        I think you are missing a key point. Obviously the behavior involved here “isn’t right for the Senate”. That isn’t even a question in my opinion. But what IS a question is: “Is anyone who has ever engaged in this kind of behavior ever in their lives automatically disqualified from ever holding a seat in the Senate… ever?”

        To me the answer to that question is “no”. Now I am NOT saying that Franken should stay, or that Moore should be allowed in and allowed to stay. I am saying that the question needs to be answered on an individual basis, with several major factors being considered, such as:
        1) Was the behavior Illegal in addition to being immoral?
        2) Was the behavior part of a significant pattern or was it a ‘one off’ incident?
        3) Has the person admitted to the behavior, and acknowledged that it is BAD behavior and do they appear to have stopped engaging in the behavior.

        So, you can certainly feel like Franken should go. His apology and what he has done in the years since this incident may not convince you that he is not worthy of remaining. To me, he seems genuinely sorry, and seems to honestly believe that this kind of behavior in unacceptable. To me, those are important points. That said, I’d REALLY love to see the Senate AND the House represented by 50% women. THAT would be a good step in the right direction…

  • Indeniable Ron

    Typical Two Scoops:
    Ranting about Senator Franken.
    Not one word about accused statutory rapist Moore.

    • BadKitty904

      Or the multiple accusations against himself.

    • tza

      I’ve been raising my eyebrows at HuffPo recently. I wander over several times a day and most of the time the Dems have some horrifying headline while whatever even more horrifying stuff the GOP is doing got pushed down. I’m guessing they’re having a spurt of “let’s attack the Dems so people stop calling us biased leftists!” or something.

      Srsly their headline for hours and hours was about why Joe Biden shouldn’t run for president. I totally agree with that but it shouldn’t have been the freaking HEADLINE STORY.

  • Nounverb911
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      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        I know it’s kinda comment protocol to give upfists for posting truth, but dammit, I can’t upfist this list. Instead I will give you this comment, which took me way longer to type than a simple click, and hope it suffices.

    • Bill D. Burger

      Bet Mnuchin’s ass hurt after pulling that gigantic lie out of it.

  • BadKitty904
    • Bill D. Burger

      Should be reposted often, and especially every time the Trumpanzees’ try to condemn Franken while excusing Pedo Roy.

      • BadKitty904

        Thanks to you, Bill, who I believe first posted it yesterday!

    • alwayspunkindrublic

      Just posted to Facebook. About 15 “likes” and several “shares” in 10 seconds.

      • BadKitty904

        Good deal!

        Spread it around, people, spread it around…

        • OutOfOrbit

          heh heh, you said “spread”

  • The Wanderer

    1. Caracal kittens = Squee! They look like little fluffy Vulcans with those long, tufted ears.
    2. North Carolina is going to discover why the GOP renamed itself to the Smashing Your Dreams Against A Rock Party.

    • TakingAmes

      They’re so fuzzy!

  • Cock Blockula

    With Franken, here’s a big difference: He was still working in show business and not an elected official in 2006 when the regrettable incident happened, correct? (He was elected to Congress in 2008, I believe.)

    On the other hand, Moore was a public official, a D.A., when he was molesting and harassing teenage girls.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      That is a big difference, it’s true. However, it’s largely nullified by the fact that Franken is a Sentaor now. i.e., it’s not comparing apples to oranges entirely, because he’s the same person.

      Not saying Moore and Franken are totally equivalent, mind, just that they don’t belong in different categories.

      • OutOfOrbit

        the age of the victim(s) is a categorical difference

        • From Russia with Love

          So’s the intent.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          That’s true. They’re quite far apart, those two, even if every detail of Tweedledee’s story is true. But they could be even further apart, is I guess what I’m saying.

          • bbayliss

            Who gives the victim photos of their abuse?

          • Lance Thrustwell

            Good question. I’ve been wondering about that one myself.

          • torturedsoul

            And are there any witnesses to the alleged kiss between Franken and Tweeden? This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

          • bbayliss

            I saw a tweet from the military person charged with escorting him.
            To the best of my memory (which is failing) He said something about a crowded room and an atmosphere of good cheer.

          • MizzMazz

            Probably the same reason there’s revenge porn online. To increase the humiliation and rub it in. I’m not saying that’s what Franken did, but that it’s a reason for doing so.

          • bbayliss

            I have no good method for determining his motive.
            But there was a reason and it seems clear that the photographer was in on it.

    • OutOfOrbit

      very little equivalency, very little

    • bbayliss

      Confirmation bias will not get you through this.
      He fucked up.
      The best that can come of this is to raise the question of trumps (alleged) abuse.
      Because BOTHSIDES!!!

  • Nounverb911

    Big Bigly day at the White House today….
    https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/931531765004537856

    • The Wanderer

      West Virginia Rifle (Coed)? Are they associated with Grassy Knoll State?

      • ((( Augustus )))

        no, they’re a bunch a of badass hillbillies who can shoot real good

        I knew a couple of the rifle team chicks, they were pretty cool

        The mountaineer statue looks like a dude, but the rifle team is co-ed, and there have been several female mountaineers

        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Wvu-mountaineer.jpg

        • VirginiaMorningBlend

          True story. Once while camping up on the WVa boarder we saw an archery competition. There were several young ladies in complete Daisy Duke attire, and they were the best shots we ever saw. I mean amazingly good. Girls can has good aim!

    • BadKitty904

      What, no croquet?

    • Bill D. Burger

      Where’s the Trump University Shin Kicking team?

      https://media.giphy.com/media/w7vuKItPmxylG/giphy.gif

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      If I were on any of those teams, I think I’d have gone to the science department and tried to get myself infected with something super-nasty, then made sure to sneeze on IQ45. Either that or worn my Nevertheless, She Persisted t-shirt.

      • OutOfOrbit

        “IQ45” new to me i like it! ( :

    • It’s days like this that make poor ol’ Dennis Hastert lonesome for DC.

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  • Joe Beese

    Elon Musk says the base model of the Tesla Roadster will go 0-60 in 1.9 seconds.

    Picture that for a moment.

    That’s “unable to lift your head off the headrest” G-force there.

    • TakingAmes

      And the semi trucks can go 0-60 in under 3 seconds! Maybe it’s under 5 seconds. But still…

    • Lance Thrustwell

      I don’t get how that’s physically possible. Tire friction has limits.

      • Joe Beese

        A Thrustwell would know, I guess.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          I go from 0-60 in two martinis.

          • Bill D. Burger

            I like a good martini
            Two at the most
            After three I’m under the table
            After four I’m under the host.
            __________Dorothy Parker

      • OutOfOrbit

        one tire in the back and it is as wide as the car is

      • From Russia with Love

        Computerized limited slip. Porsche spent 50 years trying to tame the oversteer out of the 911 with wider tires and moving all the weight as far forward as they could. The finally did it with intelligent traction.

        • Joe Beese

          Sure, it starts with intelligent traction. Then the next thing you know Skynet is sending Terminators back through time to kill you.

          • Timothy Watson

            Given how things are going, it would be hard to blame Skynet.

          • Doug Langley

            If Skynet was truly evil, it would just let things stay the way they are.

        • Bub, the cynical zombie

          Changing the suspension geometry was a big part of it too. Semi trailing arm rear suspensions are subject to camber steer. This is one of the reasons the original 930 Turbo was so treacherous. A driver would get in over his head, lift off the throttle – and the camber change in the rear suspension, coupled with all that weight behind the rear axle, would send the car flying off the road, backwards. Even professional racing drivers found the car a handful.

          • From Russia with Love

            True. However, I had a 2007 997 that simply would not let you get into trouble if you left the magic on. With the magic off you could still easily break the rear end loose, particularly in the wet or decreasing radius turns. I don’t imagine the pros have much use for it, but I drove it for eight years without managing to spin it accidentally.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            Oh, no question. Porsche worked on mechanical solutions for years, and they made the handling much less vicious and less prone to trailing throttle oversteer, but a car with that much weight behind the rear axle is always going to be challenging to drive at the limit. It took computers to finally tame it.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        Big, sticky tires and all-wheel drive.

    • Doug Langley

      So why is he building rockets? Just put the Tesla on a ramp and you’re on Mars faster than you can say “Hohmann Transfer”.

      • Joe Beese

        Need For Speed, baby!

      • Bill D. Burger
        • Doug Langley

          I still love how Jamie and Adam walked through the acres of wreckage and Jamie points to one item and says “Well, there’s your problem.”

        • From Russia with Love

          The F-4 Phantom philosophy: put enough thrust behind it and even a brick will fly.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Does it have four-speed, dual-quad, posi-traction?

        • Doug Langley

          No, but you can’t beat the cigarette lighter.

      • bupkus231

        I thought Hohmann Transfer orbits were the slowest, most fuel efficient ones.

        • Doug Langley

          Well, yeah, but that’s the first thing that popped into my head.

    • Bill D. Burger
      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        best. go-kart. ever.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    The youngsters have more integrity than the rest of the grownups. Maybe that’s why ol’ Uncle Roy likes them so much.
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/931538433184583680?s=17

    • torturedsoul

      No such thing as a young republican.

      • tza

        My college days have an argument for that, they were loud as hell and kept trying to claim the school favored the Young Democrats. Was more that YD had our shit together and had been meeting regularly before YR even formed but it made them feel good so they kept it up.

        • Dept. of Space Tacos

          they knew better than to make a fuss at the ultra-liberal UT Austin in the ultra-liberal mid 90’s.

          Given modern current affairs, I’m happy about that.

          • tza

            Yeah, I went to University of Tampa which was in a swing county in a swing state so it was a little different there.

  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    “Clearly this is a subtle hint that you (YES, YOU!) should run for local office.”

    [DST Points to himself] Me? Yaaaaaah, y’all really don’t want that.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall
  • Doug Langley

    Another reason why I get a warm, fuzzy feeling remembering I voted for Sherrod Brown:

    http://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/watch-sen-orrin-hatch-blows-his-stack

    • The Wanderer

      (something something rimming something rimjob something tongue like an eel something)

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Glad I wasn’t drinkin coffee when I read that.

      • puredog

        “Tongue Like an Eel”, one of Linda Ronstadt’s lesser-known ditties.

  • Doug Langley

    It’s Friday, so time for this week’s episode of . . . The Fountainhead!

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2017/11/fountainhead-special-delivery/

  • Mr. Blobfish

    My theory, which is my own, is that this had been bubbling under the surface in conservaland, just waiting for the right time to spring it.

    • doktorzoom

      The tough thing, of course, is acknowledging that even if Rs are strategically deploying it now, it’s still bad behavior that needs to be apologized for.

      • bbayliss

        Looks like it’s a poor strategy, considering trump’s response and the fact that it’s brought his abuse back to the fore.
        No doubt it’s terrible behavior, that cannot be excused, but possibly mitigated.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Not absolving Franken. Just pointing out how craven Republicans are.

    • bbayliss

      I read (can’t ‘member where) she had the photo and shared it with Hannity some time ago.
      So yes, they’ve been holding this.
      I believe he has witnesses of the rehearsal, who can refute her version of events, which comports with him calling for an investigation into himself.
      I’ve read two versions for the photo;
      1. she was complicit, and pretending to be asleep
      2. she was asleep and it was a “prank” they played on her, knowing she’d receive a disk containing the photos.

      • everstar

        I have a genuine question, because I don’t know: is it common to sleep in a helmet and gear? While sitting up?

        • bbayliss

          ? If you’re tired enough?

  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    awwwww…nice time!

    Children in West Texas City hold mock trial for Goldilocks (cute story and well written, fun pictures, and video);

    Scotsdale third-graders see justice in action during Goldilocks’ mock trial

    It was hard to keep order Thursday morning in the 409th District Court.

    The jury was boisterous and the defendant was out of order often. That’s what happens when Goldilocks is on trial for burglary of habitation in Judge Sam Medrano’s courtroom.

    “This is the rowdiest jury I’ve ever had,” said Medrano, referring to the group of third-graders from Scotsdale Elementary who took part in the mock trial of the State v. Goldilocks. About 90 students were there to learn about the justice system in a fun way.

    Goldilocks, played by District Attorney’s Office prosecutor Ashley Martinez, tried to use her cute looks and golden locks to sway the jury in her favor. Her attorney, played by real-life attorney Frank Guzman, defended her with facts: the door was open and there was a welcome mat.

    Meanwhile, prosecutor Brian Rodriguez, who is a public defender in real life, asked the difficult questions: Did Baby Bear have a crush on Goldilocks and was the door left open intentionally?

    After an hourlong trial with testimony by Mama Bear, Papa Bear and Baby Bear, the jury couldn’t reach a unanimous decision and the judge had to declare a mistrial.

    Probably because she’s still a kid, Goldilocks cheered for herself and declared herself the winner.

    Meanwhile, prosecutor Brian Rodriguez, who is a public defender in real life, asked the difficult questions: Did Baby Bear have a crush on Goldilocks and was the door left open intentionally?

    After an hourlong trial with testimony by Mama Bear, Papa Bear and Baby Bear, the jury couldn’t reach a unanimous decision and the judge had to declare a mistrial.

    Probably because she’s still a kid, Goldilocks cheered for herself and declared herself the winner.

    https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/local/el-paso/2017/11/16/scotsdale-third-graders-see-justice-action-during-goldilocks-mock-trial/872287001/

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Not to get all deep or nuthin’, but do you think that Fall of Man narratives (Garden of Eden, etc.) are better understood as primal evolution narratives, or maturation narratives? Or are the two ultimately the same somehow?

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        > . . >
        < . <

        I'm only coffee #1. And I was never really good at…whatever field of study that is.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Sorry, my mind goes to weird places sometimes.

          • Dept. of Space Tacos

            no no, I’m right there with ya…just need coffee before…thinking.

            ; p

      • bbayliss

        Patriarchal narrative?
        Daddy knows best…and there will be consequences.

      • Old Nick

        They are just silliness. Try replotting the Oresteia as a christion redemption story.

    • bbayliss

      Lock her up.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    Jared’s lawyers are getting dangerously close to complicity in his obstruction. After the first 2 or 9 times failing to respond to a subpoena, the ol’ “on information and belief” disclaimer starts to ring hollow.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
    • YoBunnyBunny

      And Jeeves wasn’t around to raise their hands for them???

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      cause CEO ears’ NEVER perk up at the words “tax cut”

  • Marceline

    Who would like to watch Sherrod Brown put his foot up Orrin Hatch’s ass?

    https://twitter.com/ErickFernandez/status/931399569656696833

    • arglebargle

      Hatch – “Ive been here doing this my whole stinking career…”

      You got that right asswipe.

    • arglebargle

      Grassley wearing tan suit. INPEACH!!1!!!1

    • Persistent Demme

      Yep.
      Hatch knows he’s wrong.
      I think he does protest too much!
      Good for Brown!

      • Marceline

        Yeah, I was genuinely surprised that he lost his cool. Methinks Hatch is feeling the pressure.

    • An Outhouse for the résistance

      Orrin Hatch is mean old nasty man with a potty mouth.

      • Jeffery Campbell

        He really is a POS, isn’t he.

  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    Given that this is Wonkette (and Friday), I’m VERY disappointed this has yet to be mentioned.
    https://www.circa.com/story/2017/11/17/nation/navy-admits-aircraft-created-obscene-skydrawings-over-okanogan-washington

    The Navy admitted one of its aircraft created obscene skydrawings

    “KREM on Thursday reported that officials with the Naval Air Station Whidbey Island said one of their aircraft created multiple images some people interpreted as male genitalia.”

    Several Okanogan, Washington residents on Thursday told The Spokesman-Review that they noticed apparently phallic images getting etched in the skies about their town that afternoon.
    https://twitter.com/anahi_torres_/status/931266469869977600/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.circa.com%2Fstory%2F2017%2F11%2F17%2Fnation%2Fnavy-admits-aircraft-created-obscene-skydrawings-over-okanogan-washington

    • ;)

      Oh, we saw this, and there’s been much discussion

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        i shoulda known! I will never questionz the Wonkette staff again.

    • doktorzoom

      Shhhh! You’ll ruin Evan’s Open Thread Spectacular! (but perhaps I’ve said too much)

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        gah! super sorry.

        Just call me buzz killington.

    • arglebargle

      with diamonds?

    • SweetDeeKat

      Heehee! Weener!

  • Alexander Stallwitz

    http://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/210000-gallons-crude-oil-leaked-keystone if only someone had warned us about this. Oh wait, they did!

  • Granny Sprinkles

    This is Princess Aurora, with her big sister Gallifrey in the floor behind her. You can’t tell from the picture, because Granny is out of bananas, but they are very smol. Because of their diminutive size, they believe they are excellent emergency kittens.

    Their house doesn’t have stairs so they find Granny’s very entertaining. Princess Aurora chases Gallifrey up and down them all day in a very cute manner. They hope this helps us deal with all the sad/stabby feelings. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/983a9d19c4e94c5a8e3a866cf615d4121e03c152bae5d83fb05f103e7ae54cb7.jpg

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      aye.

      “wood flors iz fun to runz on.” – Dose kittehs

      • Granny Sprinkles

        They’ve even made friends with the roomba!

        • Dept. of Space Tacos

          lol, as long as they haven’t declared war on the roomba. Those are expensive.

          (And I fucking want one!)

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Me too I have roomba envy.

  • chiefkurtz

    I’m still confused as to why Sean Hannity, who said on his radio show yesterday that he knows Ms. Tweeden, and has known about the photo for years, and has said nothing about it. He couldn’t be lying, could he?

  • Ricky Gay

    That Torme Looghen video is quite entertaining.

    • Granny Sprinkles

      It’s easiest for me if I just pretend that Tracy Loggins doesn’t exist.

      • arglebargle

        Who?

      • Ricky Gay

        Who?
        :-)

    • Old Nick

      Hilarious. Mouth diarrhea indeed.

  • mancityRed6

    it’s fucking Friday. I’ve got a few physical complaints that I’m not going to get into in light of what another poster is going through, would make me feel oh so petty.
    it’s been a long fucking week. I have about six and a half hours left at work and then I’m gonna go home and do some touch up cleaning in preparation for tacos and beer with a friend tonight.

    • bbayliss

      You want physical complaints? I’ve got physical complaints, and am not a bit shy about complaining.
      “It all started in 1958, when I had an emergency appendectomy…Blah blah blah… eleven surgeries…
      yadda yadda yadda…begged the nurse to kill me…
      (3 hours later) and that’s how I came to cheat death.

      • h4rr4r

        And you are able to provide not only a date and description of the event. Interesting.

  • Kateaux

    I would just like to take this opportunity to apologize, once again, for ever having voted for Chuckles Grassley. I thought he was that rare creature, a politician of honor and integrity.
    At least I didn’t vote for him in 2016!

    • OutOfOrbit

      you have no monopoly on bad judgment [or] screwing up

    • everstar

      Hey, these things happen.

      (Also, yay, WoW dwarves!)

    • assume deer dead.

  • SweetDeeKat

    Squee on the wild kittens and koalas! Definitely needed this morning. This page is a lot of fuckery to scroll through.

  • YoBunnyBunny

    OT: But I am so unfocused. I know I should start planning my pre-holiday shopping lists and shit before Turkey Day but I just can’t get my shit together. I don’t even know what I want to contribute to the holiday feast! (I can always do shortbread cookies for the youngin’s). I’ll get there eventually, but first I have to dick around with you guys.

    • bbayliss

      Potato chips are easy, and oddly enough often welcome.

      • Mary Ann Swissler

        Whatever.

        • bbayliss

          What have potato chips ever done to you?

          • Dept. of Space Tacos

            i think it’s a stray shot from up above.

          • bbayliss

            She’s not a good shot.

          • Jeffery Campbell

            But a dandy stray.

      • Jeffery Campbell

        Indeed. Everyone likes Ruffles and if you bring that funny white onion dip in a jar, you will be beloved by all.

    • Old Nick

      Olds love shortbread cookies too. Especially with dollop of raspberry preserves. I like Walker, but homemade would be really special.

  • Mary Ann Swissler

    Funny as hell, Wonkette. But if Franken weren’t so powerful — and he is, surprisingly — I’m sure more women would be coming forward. To abusers like him, women are like potato chips: they can’t stop at one. Here’s info on my own experience with Franken over complaining about s.h. from other men: 2goodeyes.wordpress.com. BTW, I’m a lifelong left of center Democrat. And Roger Stone? C’mon, people know about stories before they are published because reporters make calls for interviews and fact-checking.

    • puredog

      Yeah, when I want to get some facts checked, Roger Stone is my go-to guy. Especially when he was like 12,000 miles away from the action at the time.

      • Mary Ann Swissler

        OK, not sure what that even means. There are things called telephones and email that reach 12,000 miles away. All I meant in my post was that people talk when a story is coming out; he probably heard and blogged about it. BTW, I’m a lifelong, left of center Democrat.

        • puredog

          I agree with your surmise that Stone, connected as he is to the Fox cesspool, would likely have been leaked the word of Tweeden’s upcoming statement.

        • h4rr4r

          That you have to keep repeating that, does not sound convincing.

    • h4rr4r

      I tried to read your rambling screed, not once did I see any quotes or anything that looked like it could be attributed to anyone or cited anywhere.

      Other than your claim, is there any evidence this happened?
      You claim it was done behind your back but also claim to have specific knowledge of what was said, how does that happen?

      • chiefkurtz

        Thanks h4rr4r, I came to the same conclusion as you.

        • Mary Ann Swissler

          I found out from sources who didn’t want to be named. I was told by them what was going on, behind my back, like the coward that he is. The evidence is other people know what he did.

          • Arolpin

            Who did what? Specifically? Franken ‘smeared’ you how? What did he say? To whom? He didn’t sexually harass you, I don’t even see where you ever personally met Senator Franken. How is he smearing you?

          • chiefkurtz

            I just spoke to all of them, and they recanted, like the cowards they are. The evidence I have is I just spoke to them.

      • TundraGrifter

        I read it and I didn’t understand it.

      • Mary Ann Swissler

        They’re called sources. I was told by them what was going on, behind my back, like the coward that he is. The evidence is other people know what he did.

        • h4rr4r

          Which people? What sources?

          My sources told me you are really a russian troll. Mine seem to have as much proof as yours.

          • Mary Ann Swissler

            That’s hysterical. Yes, all these years of writing about women’s issues and other lefty causes has all been a tremendous lie. Seriously, this isn’t going anywhere. It’s clear you are close to Franken, or whatever. You are a huge apologist for him and that’s your own business. Neither of us are going to change each other’s minds. As far as my sources, LIKE I SAID, my sources don’t want to be id’d publicly. That’s understandable; Franken is a powerful guy and he’s already shown that he spitefully retaliates against people who “cross” him.

          • h4rr4r

            For all I know he is a serial killer. I don’t care. Franken is powerful? How? He is retired actor and comedy writer. What powers does this joker have?

            What I care about is random libelous claims. How would you feel if I made these accusations against you?

          • Mary Ann Swissler

            He is a US Senator; that is the definition of power. And he is still revered due to his comedy past. Strange but true. I actually have a life and do not like spending the time I have documenting what he did to me regarding something as horrible as being harassed and assaulted. Don’t know what else to say to you, you keep pulling things out of left field. He wouldn’t be the first man to retaliate against a woman for reporting sexual harassment. He’s obviously got his own history of harassing, so I guess I pushed his buttons. I don’t know why he hasn’t sued me or had me killed. ASK HIM!! You clearly have a HUGE interest in this, so go bother him.

          • Dept. of Space Tacos

            i’ve been watching this conversation unfold, but said nothing.

            But had you killed? really? REALLY?

          • Mary Ann Swissler

            I was responding to the post which asked why he hadn’t had me killed. I answered I don’t know why he hasn’t had me killed.

          • Dept. of Space Tacos

            uh…that post didn’t ask that.

            “For all I know he is a serial killer.” twas a joke and a rhetorical device.

          • h4rr4r

            That was not the question.
            The question was if he was so powerful. You seem to assume he has this power. Which is a bit unusual.

          • Jeffery Campbell

            Well, we’re having some murderous thoughts….

          • Mary Ann Swissler

            I was responding to the post which asked me how, if Franken is so powerful, why he hadn’t had me killed. I answered I don’t know why he hasn’t had me killed.

          • NastyBossetti

            This is a fascinating thread.

          • h4rr4r

            Oh noes scary US Senators, known widely for their bloodlust.
            So now he assaulted you? When did that happen? Why did your blog not mention that? Was it more recent than the blog entry?

            Asking for a single citation, quote, or shred of evidence is new for a seasoned journalist such as yourself?

            If he obviously had this history then surely you could name other names. What buttons did you push? How did you push them? Do you think he reads your blog?

            You could change the name to any human being and I would have the same level of interest. You are making unsourced claims, that allege someone has committed at the very least a serious ethical breach and now a legal one with your claim of assault. I am naturally suspicious of any such claims. For they are so easy to make.

            I did not write a blog about this, or claim he was going to have me killed. Again I ask for any shred of evidence.

          • Jeffery Campbell

            “I actually have a life and do not like spending the time I have documenting what he did to me regarding something as horrible as being harassed and assaulted. ”

            So, just to be clear, you are instead going to make shit up?

          • Jeffery Campbell

            “…all these years of writing….” and yet you still can’t construct a cogent argument. Sad.

    • the_steamer

      I don’t care if Roger Stone was tipped to a hit piece. Franken ran for Senate and only barely won his election in 2008 in true blue Minnesota. Sure I support him but not because I think no one else could serve in that seat instead. I like him as a Senator. What I would like more is for him to resign and demonstrate that his behavior may not legally jeopardize him or his career but it’s not fitting of anyone that wishes to lead this country from the Senate chambers. Just for once be a politician that actually raises the bar instead of insisting on lowering it one notch further.

      • Mary Ann Swissler

        Finally, someone else sees this clearly. He should go but I’ve discovered since he smeared me over my own past s.h. complaints against other men, Franken is one powerful guy. Others just seem to be in love with him and he’s been around forever in show biz and the media, so he’s got deep contacts and friends. Thanks again for your comment.

        • h4rr4r

          How did you discover this?
          What makes you think he smeared you? How do you know what was said, if it was not said to you or in your presence?

        • the_steamer

          Yeah that’s why leaving the Senate wouldn’t kill him, and if he left on those terms he could be an incredibly powerful ally, a woke scold out to hold everyone accountable for any harm they do to law, the country or the people.

          • bbayliss

            Maybe you should read “Lying liars”
            “…And, in this fair and balanced report, Al bravely and candidly exposes them all for what they are: liars. Lying, lying liars. Al destroys the liberal media bias myth by doing what his targets seem incapable of: getting his facts straight. Using the Right’s own words against them, he takes on the pundits, the politicians, and the issues, in the most talked about book of the year.”
            https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000OCXHO0/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

          • the_steamer

            There’s a ton of books I should read. But I’m not wrong here, am I?

          • bbayliss

            You may want to entertain the idea that perhaps you haven’t thought this through.

          • the_steamer

            I have! The more we argue that just because you did something wrong you are still supported by the party because of your important work in government, the lower the bar goes. The party leadership (that includes Al) needs to demonstrate for the nation that talking the talk and walking the walk have to go hand in hand.

          • i think you’re wrong. unless he’s the serial offender miss mary ann seems to think, i don’t think he should resign.

          • the_steamer

            I don’t get that reasoning. I see it a lot, but I don’t get it. Consider this: it took til this week in 2017 for him to look at his behavior as wrong. Even if he himself never stuck his tongue down a woman’s throat without permission before, he hadn’t considered it rising to a level of unethical behavior as to be wrong before this week. Maybe he said it, maybe he wrote about it, but as something he did, he didn’t see that it was wrong.

      • bbayliss

        And who would you have replace him?
        And how would this benefit the State?
        And why is it incumbent on the left to continue to raise the bar?

        • the_steamer

          1: a woman
          2: You don’t see it?
          3: Huh?

          • h4rr4r

            1. Which one?
            2. Trading one human for another unknown human, tough to judge. What if she is a serial killer?
            3. Why do we as a culture only judge democrats by this standard?

          • the_steamer

            1. I don’t know the field Governor Dayton would be picking from so… some attorney or state legislator that has proven herself competent?
            2. what?
            3. Because Republicans would like to remove women from public life altogether.

          • bbayliss

            1. Ann Coulter
            2. I can see quite well
            3. Meh

        • Ruhe

          My answer to your third question is that since we can’t count on Republicans to raise the bar who else but Democrats? I’ve thought over the years that “bar raising” was kind of our brand. More competence, more knowledge, more compassion, more respect…etc.

          • bbayliss

            Somehow you seem to have missed the fact that the bar for Democrats has not moved.

          • Ruhe

            I don’t know what you mean.

      • An Outhouse for the résistance

        ‘true blue Minnesota’ that had a Republican incumbent. How does that happen?

        • h4rr4r

          Is it possible we have some sock puppets on wonkette?

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            Dueling sock puppets. Are the_steamer and Mary Ann Swissler the same person? Well, have you ever seen them in the same room together?

          • H0mer0

            steamer has been here before.

      • Ruhe

        I agree. Do the right thing and get out of the way while there is a Democrat in the the Governor’s seat.

      • QuirkyGal

        Why don’t you leave that up to the ethics committee and the voters of MN.

        • the_steamer

          I suppose Al could leave it to the ethics committee, but why? Is he so morally lost that he doesn’t know if his actions were worthy of a Senator or not? I’m just tired of politicians (and CEOs and celebrities) leaving it to a court of law to determine what Truth is when you know damn well they already know the truth. He knows what he did. He doesn’t need an ethics committee to tell him.

          Al is my favorite Senator. He’s been there for 8 years and it’s been amazing seeing him punish Jeff Sessions and others with logic and truth bombs. I just think he could do even more for his legacy and the Senate as a body and the nation as a whole by looking at himself and saying “I shouldn’t be here, and neither should anyone else that acts as I did.” Set an example that doesn’t leave it to the whim of the voter or the results of a committee.

          • everstar

            I’m just not convinced it makes sense to be angry at him for not behaving like a senator when he wasn’t a senator.

          • the_steamer

            I don’t see the part about me being angry? I’m disappointed because I would have thought he was above that kind of behavior. And that’s my point. Are our Senators embiggened by their Office or do they bring to it the person that they are?

    • bbayliss

      One experience I had with Al;
      A book signing where he introduced the author, he was given a good deal of attention which was an obvious distraction from the intended purpose of the event, at which point he said “Let’s not forget, this is ________’s evening. She deserves your attention, not me”, and quietly withdrew.
      It made an impression.

      • Mary Ann Swissler

        How nice. But it sounds more like an observation than a personal experience where he did or said something specifically to you, or with you in mind. These harassers always seem to have a public persona of being big-time male feminists. And then it’s a big shock when they get publicly accused.

        • h4rr4r

          Please share your personal experience.
          I have asked for that over and over and you continue to ignore me. How do you know what was said, if it was said behind your back?

          • Mary Ann Swissler

            WTF are you talking about. Read my “screed” more carefully. All the information is there about what he did is there. I do not have exact quotes from him because he is a total coward: he did not confront me directly, rather he set out to destroy my reputation. Lucky for me, I also have friends who knew he was full of it. Why don’t you call your good buddy and ask HIM what exactly he did and said?

          • h4rr4r

            There is no information there at all. Only rambling claims of things that supposedly happened. It does not even give dates when these things are supposed to have happened. You now admit to not having a personal experience only the notion that he somehow smeared you based on claims on unnamed sources.

            You won’t even name these friends.

            I do not know Al Franken from Adam. I have never met him, nor do I plan on calling him.

            You are the one making allegations the onus is on you, if you expect people to believe you.

            Why should I believe your claims over any other random claims on the internet? Should we also consider the world to be flat?

          • chiefkurtz

            I do SO have a girlfriend! You haven’t met her, she goes to another school in another town. The narcissism of this is breathtaking. Anyone important enough to incur Al’s wrath is NOT someone who’d bother with flaming a comment board. https://youtu.be/LlOSdRMSG_k

          • h4rr4r

            She lives in Canada!

          • bbayliss

            Something about you owing me a carbonated beverage.

          • bbayliss

            Actually my girlfriend lives in Canada

          • Jeffery Campbell

            On Avenue Q!

          • Jeffery Campbell

            Oh, how I love this!

          • Arolpin

            Why don’t you post the relevant part where Franken harmed you. It’s not obvious that he did anything other than ‘smear’ you and never meet you. Guess what, I’ve never met him either, I guess he’s smearing me too. That’s why I’m not the CEO of multi-billion dollar company, it’s all his fault!

          • h4rr4r

            I heard from my sources he called you a witch and said you turned him into a newt!

          • Arolpin

            He got better. Gingrich is going to be a Newt even after he’s dead, but he deserves it.

        • bbayliss

          I read your blog post.
          Unlike you I included a direct quote.
          I did not refer to myself as a journalist.
          I did not smear anyone while complaining about being smeared.
          ” and a crack-smoking junior high school teacher. ”
          “the grad school teacher who, with the positioning of her body, let me know she wanted more from me than my thesis project.”
          really? What position would that be?
          “But statistically, I’ve kept quiet. I was harassed by 15 different men and 1 female grad school teacher, over 39 years of work beginning at age 14. I just turned 53.” I believe those are statistics, and I wouldn’t know about them had you been quiet.
          I’m terrible sorry if you’ve been victimized. But you are really not doing yourself or the cause any favors by repeating rumours.
          That is all.

          • h4rr4r

            Also who in grad school calls their advisor or professor a teacher? Is this a regional thing?

          • Mary Ann Swissler

            It’s not a smear if it’s true. And I ONLY WROTE THE TRUTH. That is all.

          • bbayliss

            And I CAN FLY…WHEEEEEEEEEEE

          • QuirkyGal

            Read her posting history – you’re not far off.

          • Jeffery Campbell

            What you wrote makes Jabberwocky read like Hemingway.

    • TundraGrifter

      “To abusers like him, women are like potato chips: they can’t stop at one. ”

      If you are going to accuse someone of something, perhaps it would be a good idea to be specific and not generalize.

      • Mary Ann Swissler

        OK, how’s this? I wouldn’t be surprised if this woman from the USO tour weren’t the only woman he harassed. I say that because abusers commonly repeat their bad behavior over and over. That’s why women (like me) can have several instances of being harassed or assaulted.

        • TundraGrifter

          Since I don’t accept your premise I’m not going to accept your conclusion.

          I’ve very sorry to read that you have been harassed and assaulted. Obviously that is wrong.

          • H0mer0

            her phrasing “I wouldn’t be surprised if this woman from the USO tour weren’t the only woman he harassed” kinda walks back her previous statements

    • WomanInThePersistence

      It’s really unusual to get such nice new friends on the morning round-up thread.

      • Mary Ann Swissler

        Thanks. I swear the people who posted me this morning sound like his relatives and/or people who work for him because they cannot stand someone fighting back against his abuse.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          Ummmm….what abuse?

          • Mary Ann Swissler

            I think harassment is abusive. I mentioned my own sexual abuse in my blog post because the story about me that Franken was peddling was that because I was a survivor of child and teen sexual abuse, I saw harassment even in innocent male behavior. He doesn’t even know me, doesn’t know what happened that caused me to complain and is too COWARDLY to confront me in person; he had to launch a smear campaign.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            I also think that harassment is abusive. And I do not see a smear campaign from Senator Franken. Seriously, have you found somebody IRL to help you?

          • Mary Ann Swissler

            re “I do not see a smear campaign”. He smeared me mostly in my own industry, he’s too much of a coward to just come out and confront me directly or write about it directly.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            So he’s not responded to your claims? Which are not specific or documented. Seriously. Please find some help.

          • Mary Ann Swissler

            Sure I will. When you get the psychiatric help to deal with your passive-aggressive problem. It’s quite pronounced. Or are you a professional therapist trolling comments sections in search of people to “help”.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            And blocked.

      • alpacapunchbowl

        Nice new friend, total loon who claims to be a journalist but has yet to provide a coherent sentence or line of thought. Potayto, potahto.
        I googled our new friend Mary Ann because I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt. I found nothing to substantiate her incoherent rambling. I am however now concerned about her mental health.

        • WomanInThePersistence

          I am too.

          • Mary Ann Swissler

            ????? I thought it was now a safe time to discuss these issues, I guess not. And yes I have a support system. And yes being retaliated against would put anyone into a state of depression and yes, confusion as to why the hell this is happening.

          • WomanInThePersistence

            This is a recipe hub/Mommyblog. Not a place to work out whatever issues you have.

    • QuirkyGal

      I’d be really curious about the back story for that incomprehensible diatribe against Franken because it makes no sense.

      I’ll put you down as a Franken hater going way back, for reasons I don’t understand.

    • NastyBossetti

      I’m sorry, but I truly do not understand what you are claiming happened. There is no point in there where you say what Al Franken supposedly did. Smeared you to whom, in what way, and to what end? Why was he even aware of you at all? Why was he smearing you? Does he have some relationship to any of the people you talk about in the post and say harassed you?
      It reads as stream of consciousness about horrible people you’ve known, and you never successfully make the connection to what it all has to do with Franken. You are in need of an editor.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      I’m sorry, who are you? I tried valiantly to read your polemic, but the strange pointlessness made it incomprehensible.

      • Mary Ann Swissler

        I have LinkedIn and Facebook profiles if you’d like to check them out. Sorry you couldn’t read my post.

        • Jeffery Campbell

          Oh, bless your heart. Life is too short for that kind of research into the opaque twilight of your supposed background.

  • HarryButtle

    “Clearly this is a subtle hint that you (YES, YOU!) should run for local office.”

    The skeletons in my closet have skeletons in their closets. While there are no pics of me fondling sleeping reporters, there ARE pics of me that would surely keep me out of office and more or less ruin my life. No, thank you.

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      IKR? This was my thought as well.

    • An Outhouse for the résistance

      All my skeletons are the dancing Grateful Dead variety. As far as I can tell, I’m flashing back like a mofo since last November.

    • h4rr4r

      This is why I leave parties when people bring cameras out.

      Kids these days want to chronicle their crimes, I just want to not get caught.

      • HarryButtle

        If we’d had the technology back in the 80’s, I’m sure we’d have been just as stupid.

        Before we all walked around with PCs in our pockets, I remember I went to a party where somebody was running around videotaping the whole thing. After a few hours, he popped the tape into the player and everyone proceeded to sit down and watch a rerun of the party they were still attending. It was surreal. I remember realizing that I was seeing something significant and disturbing, I just didn’t know I was watching the advent of “reality TV.”

        • h4rr4r

          I for real leave. Last thing I need is some moron putting a photo of my smiling and drinking a coke while unbeknownst to me some dude is doing a line of coke behind me.

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          Andy Warhol’s studio parties.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      I like working behind the scenes. I have no interest in being upfront.

      • HarryButtle

        Honestly, I’m far too introverted to run for office. I’d rather hang myself than put myself in that kind of spotlight.

    • Courser_Resistance

      I don’t know that I have anything truly horrifying in my past, but I decided years ago, that I could not hold up to that deep media scrutiny. The idea of people combing through my past for dirt completely freaks me out.

      • HarryButtle

        I haven’t done anything truly horrifying, although the bible-thumping puritans would almost certainly disagree with that. But I have…strange interests. I’m not even that worried for myself, I just don’t think my family needs to be confronted with every detail of my sordid life.

  • Persistent Demme

    I’m actually surprised that this Franken stuff didn’t come out when he was running for Senate.
    I expected it, cause he could be a raunchy comedian, and there was a lot of footage.
    Coleman must have had shitty oppo research.

    No excuses here, just saying I wonder why it didn’t come out sooner.
    (Coleman must be kicking himself.)

    • bbayliss

      Coleman was in no position to raise any questions about morality.
      And he has no regrets:
      Sep 22, 2014 – “Former U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman, who’s been a lobbyist and a Super PAC head since losing to Al Franken in 2008, is now on Saudi Arabia’s
      payroll.”
      https://www.minnpost.com/political-agenda/2014/09/saudi-arabia-has-added-norm-coleman-its-lobbying-payroll-nation-reports

      • alpacapunchbowl

        Fair enough, but it doesn’t usually stop those of his ilk from doing it anyway.

      • Shibusa

        There’s really only one way to respond to that news.

        “Benghazi!”

    • QuirkyGal

      That was the dirtiest campaign I ever witnessed in MN – if this was really an issue to Ms Tweedon – there would have been ad about it – trust. Coleman was a Cheney toadie so he had huge access to everything.

      They dug up everything on Franken –
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4cXT09vlSg

      That’s why I’m convinced that yesterday was nothing but a ratfucking by Stone and the GOP to distract. And given how I saw Democrats react yesterday – it worked, which makes me sad.

  • Gee I wonder if any of drumpf’s many other bankruptcies involved money laundering…it would be irresponsible not to speculate…

    • TundraGrifter

      Remember reading about Mr. Trump’s “Renoir?” Why would he have such a painting? It just doesn’t make sense. Unless it was purchased by one of his Atlantic City casinos (which would make sense) and somehow wasn’t part of the bankruptcy estate…

      • puredog

        “Got accidentally omitted from the paperwork,” I think you meant.

  • guppy06

    Gene Simmons has been banned for life from Fox after he finished an interview and barged in on a staff meeting, then “pulled open his red velvet shirt to reveal

    I honestly thought you were about to say “a gun.”

    • HarryButtle

      Gene Simmons is too much of a misogynist dick for FOX News. That’s pretty fucking impressive.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        He is either self medicated or trolling them, or both.

  • Bitter Scribe

    God, but that Gorsuch is the worst kind of smug asshole. He’s proud of his own genius and isn’t even really that bright.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      I liked how the Notorious RBG schooled him that the SCOTUS sets the precedents and set him straight on what his new job is during the first session he attended. You just don’t mansplain the Constitution to RBG, asshole.

      • alpacapunchbowl

        Even Roberts doesn’t seem to like him. From what I hear Alito and Thomas are the only ones who don’t have a problem with the guy, at least not openly.
        If I was an asshole and had as little respect for the S.Ct. as Gorsuch clearly does, I’d hope that the rest of the Supremes would (intellectually) haze him so mercilessly that he would quit and run away sobbing salty, originalist tears. Let him go be a legal analyst on One America News Network, the RWNJ network that makes Faux look Peabody-worthy.

    • Jeffery Campbell

      What’s that saying? He’s a self-made man who worships his creator.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    I would rather spend my time in a cage full of koalas then a cage full of Tomi Larhners. And I am drinking my coffee out of my official San Diego Zoo Koala Coffee Cup. We visited back in 2008. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3bea8498dd7439546e21f6628cde8af9cc713313ad2833fde317086bcf399e38.jpg

    • Zyxomma

      I visited a koala park in New South Wales. Loads of joeys around as well, but the best part (for me, and I didn’t have a camera) was seeing a German woman in sensible shoes clutching a bag of crisps to her ample bosom as an emu put its head over her shoulder to try to get into that bag. Here’s an emu in Tennessee:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCM5hGrUhdI
      and another two in Victoria (please note that these are tiny emus, not full-grown birds like the one I saw:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBBz4QgKnwg

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        the emu in the bottom video – reminds me of doggies and kittehs thinking they’re being slick…

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        p.s. those two might be the most Australian austrlians I’ve ever heard. I could listen to those people talk all day long.

      • this is the most first world problem video ever.

    • the_steamer
    • Shibusa

      Sounds like a high koalaty mug.

  • guppy06

    Y’know, I think I’m just going to pull the covers back up over my head and spend the rest of the day hiding and second-, third- and fourth-guessing any and all interactions I’ve ever had with anyone of the female persuasion.

  • Emily Sieger

    I’m increasingly of the mind the Franken thing is an R ratfuck. His assault was ONE unwanted overly-intimate kiss, which the victim dealt with very strongly at the time, basically telling him to fuckoff.. The photo is ambiguous as to “groping” and the victim was asleep, so she doesn’t know what happened. She never challenged Franken when she first got it about WTF he was doing, which seems like something she would have done, given how she handled the kiss. No eyewitnesses have emerged (the tweets allegedly quoting a photographer who says it was a joke are unverified).
    The victim is a long time R commentator (no, I don’t care about her work as a model), and she told Stone and others she was going public. Why? Dems have fallen for it, as they always do, running away and clamoring for Franken to resign. This kind of kiss is something most women have experienced… if every man who did it had to quit, there would be no industries left. It’s wrong and assaultive, but just above the level of catcalling. Men should stop it. Women should be as forthright as Franken’s victim in telling them to.
    We need language to distinguish between Franken’s behavior’s and Moore/Trump. To equate the 2 is to demean the experiences of Moore/Trump/Weinstein victims. And that could be part of the point of the ratfuck.
    The timing is WAY suspicious, given what R’s did with the budget, as well as the whole Moore-Trump stuff.
    And her performance on Tapper was a masterpiece of “if I cry, I can get him to believe I’ve been devastated”.
    The only good thing would be if the Dems demand investigation into Trump’s assaults as part of the investigation into Franken. That won’t happen.

    • TundraGrifter

      Agreed.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      The George Takai one is stupidity too. Mr. Bruton has been peddling his story for years at cocktail parties as “I had sex with Sulu” before Mr. Takai was out of the closet. Complete with a mocking “he served me a drink in a Star Trek glass. How tacky. Tee hee”.

    • H0mer0

      In Franken’s case, his actions as an advocate on behalf of women so much outweighs the frat boy behavior. The repubs double down and continue to oppress minorities and women.

    • BreakingDeadMen

      I agree. The right wing way is to take something out of context and paint it in the worst possible way. That could easily fit this situation.

    • keinsignal

      I wouldn’t go as far as all that regarding Tweeden’s motives. At this point, especially given that she did accept the apology, I have to assume her distress was sincere. Besides which, I don’t really like overanalyzing a victim’s behavior like that – besides promoting the dangerous idea that there’s a right way for a victim of sexual assault to act, it’s an open invitation to confirmation bias. Whatever you want to believe, you’ll find some petty detail or another to justify it.

      The weird coattail accuser with the story about “he called me on the phone to argue about some lies I told! Three times! It was basically my own personal holocaust” though…

      Totally agree that there is a wide gulf between “stepped waay over the line once while clowning around on a USO comedy tour” and “repeatedly stalked and assaulted teenagers as a 30-something officer of the court” (or for that matter “bragged about assaulting women, on tape”) and we’d be stupid not to see it.

      I will admit that as far as the Tweeden thing – not that it would excuse Franken’s behavior – but my first reaction was, somebody’s paid her to come forward. With all the bullshit stories circulating about the Washingstein Post’s $1000 checks for anybody willing to say Roy Moore perved on them, it seemed inevitable. It is practically axiomatic now that whatever crime against democracy the right wing is accusing the left of committing (well, not so much the actual “left” as some hallucinatory radical-left/mainstream-media/one-world-govt/Soros-funded/sharia-law octopus), it’s a safe bet that they’re doing the exact same thing themselves. Or trying to, at least (frequently poorly). Maybe it’s a Goebellian attempt to deflect attention from schemes already underway, maybe in their paranoid heads they assume the other side is already doing every horrible thing they can imagine so they’d better do it back first. Either way, it’s a clearly repeating pattern.

    • bbayliss

      Why do accept the ” ONE unwanted overly-intimate kiss,” when he and the military escort remember it differently?

      • Kent Smellman

        How about the picture idiot troll?

  • going4baroque

    unfortunately for Franken, most people do not see reaching for the boobs as a joke, and having himself photographed while doing it and then making the photo sufficiently public that she would be sure to see it, most everyone sees those actions as the behavior of an asshole intent on humiliating a woman who was repulsed by his lousy kissing, compounded by his relentless insistance to slobber on her face.

  • In our haste to point out that ASSange and Greenwald are full of shit, we forgot to tell Caitlin Johnstone to fuck off:

    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/everyone-should-do-what-wikileaks-did-88486b72b409

  • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

    The health and sanitary situation in North Korea is even worse than previously reported. Don’t read this story over lunch.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/kim-jong-un-may-caused-115421968.html

  • WhoCheckedRussia’sVoterID

    Al Franken. He was / is articulate, witty, cutting and good at asking questions in committee. All that got pissed away because he is a fucking pig. What. An. Asshole.

    • TundraGrifter

      Why did all that get pissed away? Few people on this planet are purely evil (thank goodness!) and not many are purely good. We all exist on a spectrum of good and bad. While each of us awaits Anubis weighing our hearts after we are gone, in this life we have to do our best to evaluate individuals and determine how much is waste rock and how much is pure ore (to mix a metaphor because it’s too early to mix a drink). The evidence is clear that Sen. Franken has done an excellent job in office – far more good than bad. Will he continue to do that? Quite probably – if he’s given the chance.

      • WhoCheckedRussia’sVoterID

        I don’t know if you guys are seeing anything different from me in the current climate. I’m not hearing a lot about redemption, forgiveness, healing…I’m hearing “you did it, you’re done”.

        I can forgive Al Franken for being a pig. But he is in the same boat and will get tarred and feathered just like everyone else. In the current climate, it will be very hard for Al to find a way forward.

        • BreakingDeadMen

          Unless it’s overhyped and the worst he did is make a joke in bad taste. ACORN and Shirley Sharrod and Planned Parenthood…take a bad looking clip out of context and make hay. It’s been done before.

        • TundraGrifter

          Do you mean it’s time to stick a fork in President Trump (with votes, of course)? Or does that just apply to others?

          • what about a spoon? can we use a spoon?

          • TundraGrifter

            Two scoops!

        • Shibusa

          At some point, this will become the Salem Witch Trials.

        • sarafina

          I’ve heard 8 former/current staffers of Al have come forward stating Al worth and respect for women. Since you have already made up your mind, you don’t care, I know.

          • the_steamer

            I don’t think this revelation discounts the fact that Al is a huge supporter for women. I think him staying in the Senate would be more damaging to women in the long run than stepping down and insisting leadership of this nation requires more respect for all women than he had shown.

          • sarafina

            You do not appear to know what the word “discounts” means.

          • WhoCheckedRussia’sVoterID

            I thought that Al was a very valuable and articulate voice for the left. But I, without reservation, adhere to my belief that Franken’s behaviour was disgusting. He took advantage, got rebuffed, and retaliated by belittling and degrading a woman. That spells a s s h o l e.

            The larger question that no one is talking about is how we move forward. I want people to be held accountable without reservation. Maybe an argument can be made that Al has redeemed himself since that horrible mistake. Maybe there is a way forward for him. As his victim stated, that is a decision for the people of MN.

          • Anne Rogers

            In other words he’s discriminating in his piggishness?

          • sarafina

            Let me save energy (& pixels) and repost:

            Since you have already made up your mind, you don’t care, I know.

    • SisterArtemis

      You know, I don’t think that’s how it has to be. He fucked up, no doubt. Is he a fucking pig? maybe. Is he any worse than 90% of the men I’ve met? No.

      If we write off every guy who did a stupid fucked up sexually inappropriate thing ever, we’ll have no men in government left – which is, you know, not necessarily a terrible idea in some aspects, but is this what we want? really? It matters a lot to me whether the guys who do this shit are willing to take responsibility, are willing to change their views with education, are able to see where they went off the rails, and aren’t still perpetrating their slimy behavior.

      It also matters to me, when it comes to governmental positions, whether they are using their bullshit behavior to control women in their workplace.

      Not trying to excuse any of these guys, but there’s a world of difference between a contrite and embarrassed Franken, and a brazenly lying and still-slimy Trump.

      • the_steamer

        I’m convinced there are plenty of men and women that haven’t been boors and slime thorughout their lives and can serve as our nation’s leaders. 300 million people in this country. we just need a few hundred decent ones. It’s gotta be possible.

        • SisterArtemis

          I understand what you’re saying, and no doubt we should be promoting people to leadership positions who are currently cut out of the process. I also think it’s not that black and white., particular with past as opposed to current acts. I also think this is no time to wipe our slate of politically talented men clean – we need to hold them accountable, and yes some of them should go, but I don’t think we can afford to go into the next few years without some of our most effective leaders.

          • the_steamer

            I just recently learned that we have 2 incredible leaders in Kamala Harris and Adam Schiff. I’d be pleased to discover who Governor Dayton and the people of Minnesota deliver next.

            And, you know, I’m not calling for Al’s execution. I just wish our Senate weren’t accepted by it’s placeholders and their voters as a den of depravity as long as the people continue to vote them in.

      • thank you for this. i totally agree.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        THIS!!!^^^

  • Teto85

    Those kittens have eated my soul.

  • everstar

    As disappointed as I am in Al — and I am — I’m a little proud of him for not running away from it.

  • Slithytoves

    I already ran for office. Four years ago and last year. I have three more years left in my term and it feels like eternity. Everyone should understand: there is nothing easy about serving . Nothing at all. People only complain, they never thank.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      That was my brother’s experience in a non-gov political job (chairman of his county GOP… I know, I know… we’re very different).

      Almost everyone he dealt with yelled at him – he heard from every angry or batshit-crazy member of his party, and was the subject of a few “HE’S A RINO!! BURN HIM” complaints for doing things like meeting with the Democratic chairman. It was enough to convince him not to run for actual office anymore.

  • Shibusa
  • Old Nick
  • SeeTrain65

    New polling indicates that Republicans should be worried about 2018 as Democrats begin leaning in to races they normally wouldn’t. Clearly this is a subtle hint that you (YES, YOU!) should run for local office.

    If you want a Rep who runs and hides in his bedroom for four days when the world becomes too much to handle, SeeTrain 2018!

    Otherwise, let’s put in someone competent instead.

  • i biked home 8 miles in sleet from obamacare stuff and there are still no caracals in my life.

    i have chosen unwisely.

  • Tokays_don’t_blink

    Cards against Humanity is Trucking Fump? Time to buy an expansion pack or 6.

  • Ducksworthy
  • Anne Rogers

    Bye Bye Al. You’re not good enough, you’re not smart enough, and doggone it, people don’t like you.

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