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California Senator Dianne Feinstein and 22 other Democrats have introduced a bill in the Senate to once again ban assault weapons, so get ready for a million angry website comments from gunhumpers that there is no such thing as an “assault weapon,” and even if there were, banning them won’t work to reduce crime but will also work so well that liberty itself is threatened.

The bill would outlaw “the sale, manufacture, transfer and importation of 205 military-style assault weapons by name,” as well as banning the sale or manufacture of

any assault weapon that accepts a detachable ammunition magazine and has one or more military characteristics including a pistol grip, a forward grip, a barrel shroud, a threaded barrel or a folding or telescoping stock.

The sale of magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds would also be prohibited. Owners of existing assault rifles and high-capacity magazines would be allowed to keep them, but any sales of existing weapons would have to go through a federally licensed firearms dealer and would be subject to a criminal background check. That would effectively end the private sale of assault weapons at gun shows, though other private firearms sales would still be subject to the “gun show loophole.”

In her statement accompanying the summary of the bill, Feinstein wrote,

This bill won’t stop every mass shooting, but it will begin removing these weapons of war from our streets. The first Assault Weapons Ban was just starting to show an effect when the NRA stymied its reauthorization in 2004. Yes, it will be a long process to reduce the massive supply of these assault weapons in our country, but we’ve got to start somewhere.

To those who say now isn’t the time, they’re right—we should have extended the original ban 13 years ago, before hundreds more Americans were murdered with these weapons of war. To my colleagues in Congress, I say do your job.

The bill would also ban the sale or transfer of high-capacity magazines, so people who already own the things could keep them, but they wouldn’t be able to stock up and resell them once the ban goes into effect. Grandfathered weapons would have to be stored in a gun safe or have a trigger lock, and the ban would also prohibit bump-fire stocks “and other devices that allow semi-automatic weapons to fire at fully automatic rates.” It’s like Feinstein doesn’t want anyone to have any fun ever again.

In addition to the predictable gunhumper complaint that if you use even slightly inaccurate terminology (“assault rifle,” for instance, can ONLY describe a military weapon that can fire fully automatically), we can also look forward to the complaint that the 1994 assault weapons ban did nothing to curb crime or mass shootings, which is actually debatable — there’s good evidence that mass shootings did decline while the earlier ban was in effect, but the question of causality is difficult to nail down. It’s certainly clear that the number of high-casualty mass shootings increased significantly after the ban expired in 2004, so perhaps we should enact another similar ban, if only for the sake of getting a better statistical sample. (Yes, try that argument with gunhumpers!)

While Feinstein’s bill has little chance of passing this Senate, it’s another chance to get Republicans to say some incredibly stupid things on the record about guns, and it should certainly liven up our Dear ShitFerBrains columns, so we’re all for it. Plus, you know: What if it passed?

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  • Msgr_MΩment

    Nice “magazine” covers.

    /hunkers down, waiting to be called out for using the wrong term.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Glossy stocks.

    • WIDTAP

      You would not be in trouble unless you commented about their butts.

      “Things you can say about your rifle but not your girlfriend”

    • MynameisBlarney

      CLIPS LIBEL!

    • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

      I love the argument that we can’t talk about this shit if we’re not 100% educated on every aspect.

      I don’t have anthrax’s full genome memorized, but I’m gonna go with it’s some bad shit and let’s not have it lying around.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Scott Ian libelz.

      • calliecallie

        It never stops them from talking about regulating lady parts.

    • Amy!

      Harrumph.

      Journal. Periodical. Serial.

      Words are important, son! If I’m selling a “long-read, high-page count periodical” and calling it a “high-capacity magazine,” why someone might be misled!

  • BreakingDeadMen

    Wait, I thought Feinstein was a neoliberal shill

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    California Senator Dianne Feinstein has reminded me that while I get annoyed with her for her centrist tendencies she still has a good side and 22 other Democrats have introduced a bill in the Senate to once again ban assault weapons

    That is all.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Diane
      Irene
      Alice
      Feinstein, Rethuglicans.

  • Swampay

    Hey, gun-humpers, how about this? If you think the definition of assault weapon is inadequate and doesn’t accomplish what it sets out to accomplish how about you fucking well work to get a better definition that does? It’s not like you could possibly be unclear on the concept – we want to prevent people from having mass murder machines. “Neener-neener, your definition sucks” is just not viable any more.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    it should certainly liven up our Dear ShitFerBrains columns

    I know Wonkette isn’t the 1% but I hope you get combat pay, Dok. Or at least a bottle of something nice as a reward for cleaning up the trash.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef
  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    TBH, I’d also like them to make legislation for gun hoarders/arsenal builders, aka Fucking Crazy People. It’s fucking alarming that of the hundreds of millions of guns in this country, HALF are in the hands of 3% of the populace. Vegas shooter guy had 15 semiautomatic rifles, and those were the ones he managed to take from home.

    I figure that a tax would be imposed on every purchase of a firearm, rising exponentially with each purchase over a period of ten or twenty years. Thoughts?

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      You have to present ID to buy cough medicine and can’t buy more than X quantity in a month. Why is NyQuil more of a security concern than guns?

      • Impatient

        Well, little missy, or pilgrim, or whatever, dontcha think our glorious founding fathers would have written a specific amendment about NyQuil, if they intended that it would also too get special treatment? [Snark! Don’t shoot!]

    • Impatient

      I’d seen the same kind of stats, months back, about the group of more extreme gun owners/hoarders. Because I played with budget numbers for a living, I did a real rough spreadsheet, estimating how much excess money these 3% have tied up in guns and ammo, relative to “normal” gun owners. My rough ‘guesstimate’ was that their excesses represent about $100 billion in guns and ammo!

      So next time some red state numb-nuts screams that they just can’t afford more, and so we just HAVE to cut taxes … we can point out that this wasted money could have eliminated red states’ budget shortfalls for about a decade!

  • jesterpunk

    Casualties also went down because hospital ER doctors started learning battlefield techniques to save victims. So war might be good for something?

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Thank Undergod we were able to carry advanced gunshot wound treatment techniques from the battlefield to our concert venues and churches, where they are really needed.

    • Ryan Denniston

      Good thing we also have wars to teach doctors of the future!

  • I’ve fired a gun exactly once in my life. It was a .17-caliber Henry rifle. At 200 feet, I grazed the upper right corner of a paper bullseye. Had the situation been the classic trope of a criminal breaking into my house yadda yadda, I’d have grazed (and torn open) the upper right chamber of said criminal’s heart, and most likely punctured his lung as well. He would then die. If a matzoh ball like me could kill someone with a Henry, why does anyone need an assault weapon?

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Kill moar people when the black rape mobs show up in the coming race war.

      and antifa super soldiers.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Also, you’d be a lot closer to your target., like within 25 feet or so.

    • goonemeritus

      A Henry takes too long to load to shoot up a school properly!

    • Michael Smith

      Well, when you are trying to compensate for your inadequacies…

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

    Listen libtards, who Have these GUNS ever Assaulted? Thats right these, guns are innosent! Ass-Alt RIFLES my ASS!!! What about Chicago? Black on Black crime. How come the blacks never talk about that. Al Sharpton. The guns are innosent!!!!!

    Hillary kills, and you say nothig About, taht.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      I think I just filled out three Bingo cards.

    • WIDTAP

      I have heard about peppering others with buckshot, but never a-salting them

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        This is, exectly why You don,t know bout guns. I hope them thugs eat you alive Shitty Dewller!!!!CF!! In the Shitty. Hahahahahahaha I’m sticking with my AR 16XLT This a real. MANs, Weaopn.

        MAGA 4$ever!

      • therblig

        especially when the militia is mustard

    • grindstone

      Skwerl, Skwerl, come back. You’re channeling that raging asshole Ted Nugent. COME BACK, SKWERL!!! Don’t look into the abyss!!!!!!!!!!!

  • memzilla Ω
  • Michael R

    Sean Hannity covers election night in 5 seconds
    ( but stay for ” that’s not enough time to cook you hot pocket BITCH ” )

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnkNkER9S4g&feature=youtu.be&t=4m35s

  • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

    I’m glad SOME form of bullet control is in this re: let’s ban the sale of clips/magazines/WHATEVER with more than 10 bullets but would still prefer more, like taking them away from the psychos who already have them.

    • Ryan Denniston
      • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

        I’ve heard this one before, but it just won’t work. For one, the bullet-machining industry is tied to the gun lobby, and measures that directly impact their bottom line will draw the mother of all freakouts.

        For another, even if it passed, you’d just get Bubba’s making their own bullets since they’re easier to make than guns. But because they’ll necessarily be bootleg and poor quality, you’ll have a huge rash of hillbillies blowing their own faces off when their guns catastrophically misfire.

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          Darwin award winners. Fuck them.

        • richardgrabman

          That’s like saying because it’s easy to make moonshine, liquor sales shouldn’t be regulated. People are basically lazy.

  • memzilla Ω
  • Ryan Denniston

    If liberty is threatened, presumably by a non-Trump authoritarian state, do they seriously think their AR-15 are going to slow down tanks, planes, and professionals?

    • ez

      It worked that way in “Red Dawn”.

      Wolverines!!!!!!!!!!

  • The Wanderer

    I would also add to that legislation a rider allowing the CDC to resume research into guns as a public health menace, funded by a 200% tax on all ammunition purchases of whatever caliber or size.

  • puredog

    “(Yes, try that argument with gunhumpers!)”
    Uh — only the unarmed ones, TYVM.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    I read a particularly dumb argument from a humper about how most people shouldn’t criticize guns because they don’t know the technical details about guns. Yeah, because not wanting to be shot requires in-depth knowledge of the weapon?

    • Michael Smith

      I think we all get the gist of what guns do.

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        Every kitchen should have one!

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      It’s a standard applied nowhere else in our democracy. Not knowing jack about birth control doesn’t stop Republicans from legislating on it.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Or climate change. Not knowing the difference between climate change and weather doesn’t stop Republicans from having childish snowball fights on the congressional floor.

    • jesterpunk

      Yet they are fine to comment on other things they know nothing about.

    • nightmoth

      That drives me nuts. The old “wait, wait, that’s not an automatic, that’s a SEMI-automatic, and it doesn’t shoot XY bullets, it shoots YZ bullets, yada, yada!!”

      • GHERKINS du RESISTANCE!

        They misspell words and use improper grammar all the time.

        Obviously using this metric, they shouldn’t be allowed to make arguments, considering how little they know of the proper use of the language.

    • kaydenpat

      Guns kill. What more “technical details” do I need to have to know that fact?

    • Ali | A Grumpy Cat

      By that logic, shouldn’t people who have never had a vagina stop trying to legislate what we can do with ours?

      • Martini Ambassador 🍸

        You make a very good point.

      • chortlingdingo

        Yeah, but that’s different because internal lady parts are icky, or something.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Can I use the same logic when people complain about my driving?

    • Naytch

      https://m.soundcloud.com/rockymountainmike/the-gunsplainer

      Love his stuff on the Stephanie Miller Show!

  • goonemeritus

    Good. Standing for something is helpful. New York did something close to this years ago and the butt hurt is still palpable but the overwhelming majority of New Yorkers approve of the legislation.

  • Michael Smith

    CONSERVATIVE RESPONSE:

    “These are the same people who think Muslims should be allowed to come in, get foodstamps and rape your daughter, do you really think their gun control legislation is a good idea?”

    • kaydenpat

      I’ve actually seen the Muslims part in a Rightwing argument. Not sure why Rightwingers think comparing Muslims to guns makes any sense.

  • MynameisBlarney

    OT; but…
    FUCK YOU GOV. VOLDEMORT!

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029822446

    • The Wanderer

      Yep, that’s really special of him.

    • Mavenmaven

      Why is this not more widely circulated? What dirtbags!

      • MynameisBlarney

        They are going full speed ahead with fuck everyone that ain’t us stuff all across the US.
        It’s hard to keep up.

  • UncleTravelingMatt
    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Yeah, but women poison more often than men, so it’s both sides.

    • Michael Smith

      Women are too emotional to completely fly off the handle, have a murderous nervous breakdown, grab a military grade murder machine and start massacring everyone.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      There’s something to that. At the Bronx Zoo, there were peacocks strutting around among the humans. Two little boys first instinct was to pick up sticks to throw at the birds. I yelled at them and got dirty looks from their carefree parents, but yeah, testosterone is bad, m’kay?

      • therblig

        i loved the peacocks at the BZ – they stroll right in among the dining tables looking for food and just don’t GAF.

        • Arolpin

          I hated the peacocks at the Cathedral of St. John The Divine. Bastards caused me no end of pain by being loud when I was hung over. Plus they were always looking like they wanted to attack my kids when they were crawling on the lawn. Showy loudmouths.

          • therblig

            years ago, a bunch of us took the vertical tour. i remember it being very cool.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Toxic.
      Fucking.
      Masculinity.

      Steal a page from Trump’s idiotic, scribbled playbook and say what it is.

      Radical Testosterone Terrorism.

  • spangled

    10 rounds? that’s very generous.

    if you are using your guns to hunt or defend yourself why would you need more than 10 bullets? you can’t hit a deer with just one? can’t incapacitate someone with a single bullet? are you some kind of pussy? some kind of gun cuck?

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      I like to use the other 9 to tenderize my deer.

      • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

        I have this picture in my mine of a boxing glove opening up from inside the bullet in mid-air.

    • OutOfOrbit

      ahmen

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      I usually fire 10-round groups when I’m practicing, even though my rifle will hold more. It just makes doing the math easier.

  • jesterpunk
  • Scooby

    Is there a panel of professors somewhere that decide what the correct terminology is?

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      I’ll see what the scientists from Remington and Smith & Wesson have to say.

    • jesterpunk

      The NRA? But the terms only apply to people proposing any kind of restrictions not to gun nuts.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      If the other side had the slightest inclination to work with us on this, there probably would be. But the NRA has clearly pinned all its hopes on total obstinacy, and I can’t say it isn’t working.

  • Joe Beese

    The bill is worth it for the nuisance value alone.

  • Joe Beese
    • jesterpunk

      But he wants a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary.

    • Ryan Denniston

      Maybe sending Trump some Thoughts and Prayers?

    • puredog

      He’s not “unacountable,” doofus. He can be fired for malfeasance.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Republicans really don’t think they’ll ever be out of power again, don’t they? Because they’re creating a shitload of precedents for Democrats to use when they get back into the majority.

    • Impatient

      Saw Gaetz a few weeks ago on a cable news show, just for about a minute. Can’t the Repugs at least get some better tools, who don’t come off like high school political club nerds, or at least who know better than to grin while they advocate taking away services?

      I just feel SOOO disrespected when they don’t even bring their B Team.

    • chortlingdingo

      So much projection with these folks.

  • kaydenpat

    Good on Democrats for actually doing something to stop gun violence. Even if this measure fails now, this is a blueprint for how to legislate after Democrats take back Congress and the White House (could be sooner than we think).

  • Lefty Wright

    It’s too late to have an immediate, significant impact, but it is never too soon to start restricting assault style rifles, large capacity magazines, and accessories like bump stocks, armor piercing ammo, and bullet resistant garments. What is the purpose of having essentially battlefield weapons and equipment in the streets and even hunting fields of the US?

    • jesterpunk
    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Oddly enough, I’ve had it out with gun-owning lefties on this one (Western America is weird). On having semi-automatic rifles, he argued that for hunters, creatures like boars require more firepower to take down. I tried to point out that most people don’t live by boars, and that special dispensations could probably be made if one did.

      • puredog

        Isn’t it just for that purpose that you have large-boar weapons?
        I’l show myself out. . .

        • Good_Gawd_Yall
        • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

          Don’t be a boar.

      • nightmoth

        Bullshit! That guy just loves guns, whether he admits it or not. My husband took a 150 lb. boar last week with a deer rifle. Years ago, when he was swamp-hunting in South Carolina, he took a boar with a handgun. Animal flesh of any species, human included, does not hold up well under bullets.

    • kaydenpat

      No logical purpose needed for gun humpers who have twisted the 2nd Amendment into prohibiting any and all sensible gun control measures.

    • SpideySenser

      None whatsoever. Illogical.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Phallic insecurity.

    • Beelzebubba

      The gunhumpers seriously want to be able to do battle with the forces of “tyranny”. If it wasn’t for all the prepper-humpers armed to the teeth and lurking in their bunkers, the government would be free to move in and do . . . something.

  • puredog

    Serious question: Why is a barrel shroud relevant?

    • Richard Girlswin

      They make it easier to handle and transport a weapon immediately after sustained fire, so I’m guessing that’s why. Barrels get hot.

  • Mavenmaven

    Proof that the dems cater to “special interests”, in this case “people who want to live”.

    • kaydenpat

      East Coast Elitists!!

    • calliecallie

      Children.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    And here I thought I was a doofer for subscribing to Trout magazine.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      Fish porn!

      • Joe Beese

        So wet… so slippery…

        • The Wanderer

          That’s what the crew said about the mermaid.

        • wide_stance_hubby

          Go on. . .

      • MynameisBlarney

        Ahem!

        *adjust glasses.

        Fish prawns.

        • The Wanderer

          Good one. But you have to concede that everyone likes fish sticks.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Not Kanye.

          • The Wanderer

            Hmm.
            (Jar Jar Binks voice): Yousa gotta point.

          • MynameisBlarney

            Oh god…
            I’m about to be THAT guy…

            Yousa points a well seen!

            I only know this because I played Star Wars Galactic Battle Grounds RTS game for YEARS and played the Gungans a few times out of boredom.
            In that game though, their tech is pretty damn awesome.

          • The Wanderer

            The Gungans have a special place in my heart because they had Brian Blessed do the Boss Nass voice. Brian Blessed is a certified badass with a great voice and a weaponized beard.

    • therblig

      i never cared for their Rainbow page, where they trouted people.

      • The Wanderer

        Could their efforts be scaled up and down, as circumstances warranted?

    • wide_stance_hubby

      I barely FINish one before the next issue is out.

  • Bright Bart

    yes. yes i would like to ban cars. we would all be better off.

    • Bright Bart

      also axe body spray

  • Crystalclear12

    I await the measured and thoughtful response from the NRA.

  • OT
    The banner says “Congress we demand a clean Dream act now
    https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/928663272902901761

  • Joe Beese
    • ArgieBargie

      The Maverick has made a career out of showing concern…and not much else.

    • Weird Fishes

      Yes but Bear Byrant’s dead.

    • Hand Turkey

      The guy they can be proud of is running on the opposite side.

    • sarafina

      Once a month McCain regains his sanity?

  • SpideySenser

    I have a gun humping acquaintance who is probably right now going spastic apeshit over this. Said acquaintance thinks law abiding gun owners should be able to get whatever they want cause “law abiding”.
    My husband is a hunter who owns zactly 2 rifles. One is black powder and the other is a regular kind of rifle (don’t ask me, I know zero about guns). Hubby says anyone who shoots a gun and doesn’t get the target with the first (and hopefully) only bullet doesn’t deserve to own one. He also hates the NRA.

  • Relativicus

    And when this fails because dem Dems control nothing, there will be plenty on The Left who will complain that democrats AREN’T EVEN, LIKE, DOING ANYTHING!

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      “WE HAVE NO PARTY PLATFORM THAT DOES [X]!!!”
      -Person who hasn’t read the party platform, which does address [X].

  • Joe Beese

    NYT breaking the (very old) story of Louis C.K. jerking off in front of two female comics.

    Now, after years of unsubstantiated rumors about Louis C.K. masturbating in front of associates, women are coming forward to describe what they experienced. …

    After being contacted for an interview this week about the on-the-record accusations of sexual misconduct — encounters that took place over a decade ago — Louis C.K.’s publicist, Lewis Kay, said the comedian would not respond. “Louis is not going to answer any questions,” Mr. Kay wrote in an email Tuesday night.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

    • Shanzgood

      Dammit.

    • Vincent Ricola

      Very, very, very old story.

      Believe women.

      • Joe Beese

        Rehab announcement in 5, 4, 3…

    • Mr. Blobfish

      If it’s not into a potted plant, it didn’t happen.

      • The Wanderer

        People should start trying to bring back the Little Turkish Rude Bush to keep these naughty fellows satisfied.

      • wide_stance_hubby

        Slutty little fern was practically begging for it.

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      I’ve never felt the need to whip it out in front of people. I don’t get it.

    • Michael R
    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      Can’t help that his new film is basically a love letter to Woody Allen’s Manhatten.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    High capacity MAGAzine. Now I get it.

  • Suttree

    Maybe a law saying the gunhumpers have to follow that whole militia part of the 2nd A. And often too. I want to see them all marching around the HS football field a couple of times a month.

    • Hand Turkey

      Have you seen those guys? They’ll do good to make it out to the mailbox.

    • Kiri the Unicorn

      I interpret the 2nd Amendment to mean that you can own as many muzzle-loading, single-shot, smoothbore muskets as you want.

      • UncleTravelingMatt

        As many as you can steal from the King’s armory . . .

      • Hand Turkey

        And powdered wigs…there must be powdered wigs.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      In fairness, they sometimes do, but for some reason they’re almost always wearing a grey uniform when they do it.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    If anything, it will put the ghouls on record defending mass murder.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      I think the idea is to count votes.

    • The Wanderer

      They already have. One RW pundit said that the occasional massacre is the price we pay for the freedom to possess firearms.

      • Resistor Radio
        • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

          Embarrassingly, I do not understand the meaning of this gif…would you help a lib out?

          • Resistor Radio

            Same as it ever was :)

          • TimResistit

            Fine, I’ll use that as my reason to post a great song.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wg1DNHbNU

          • Resistor Radio

            Always a great time to post that song

          • sarafina

            Sun is shining.

          • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

            Thanks. Here I was trying to wrack my brains for my long-gone familiarity w ASL (is it – a whole? a half? WTH is he trying to say??!)

          • Resistor Radio

            I edited my gif to include the phrase, sometimes I forget that not everyone lives inside my mind. :D

          • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

            Ah!!! Yes, damnit, I should have known!!!!!!!! Love TH/ David Byrne.

      • Tony Zimmerman

        The occasional massacre does not really lend itself to any perception of freedom.

      • Weekly is more than “occasional”.

  • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

    Yay! I just bitched out Senator Ron Johnson about this very subject today.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      And it said something like

      Thank you for your concern in this pressing matter. Unfortunately, our office receives a large volume of inquiries and requests, and we cannot take all of our constituents’ interests into account. If you would like a personal response from Senator Johnson, please make a generous contribution in the amount of $1 million or more on behalf of the National Rifle Association. Again, thank you for your correspondence, and we look forward to hearing from you soon.

      Merry Christmas and God Bless America,
      The Office of Senator Ron Johnson (R-Wild West)

      • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

        Shockingly, it seems one of his minions wrote a personalized response in his stead, because I am certain he doesn’t bother even reading any of his mail.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      Well said.

      • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

        Dicks, the lot of them.

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          Indeed they practice very hard at it.

          • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

            But with flaccid results.

    • Naytch

      Pallid – outstanding!!

      • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

        Amateur verbivores represent!

  • wide_stance_hubby

    Make it law that these gunhumpers clean up all mass shootings. We’ll trade you all those lovely Thoughts ‘N Prayers for mops and buckets and trash bags. Wade through and slip on enough random human tissue and maybe they see the point.

    • cmd resistor

      Good idea. Every time I read one of those descriptions of the ER after one of these things, by trauma surgeons, I think they should have to observe that scene. But since they are dumb and would get in the way, cleaning up the shooting site after the bodies are gone is a better plan.

  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    OT: You guys it may be the MASSIVE amounts of caffeine (almost freudian slipped and said cocaine) or the fact that i love the work I’m doing – but I’m happy today.

    Hope all y’all are too.

    : D

    • Resistor Radio

      YAY! Because happiness is contagious and we need more of that shiz around here!

    • jesterpunk

      I take it the test went well?

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        haven’t taken it yet. You HAD to remind me.

        ; p

        • Did you keep the matchbook with the truck driving school?

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      And my day gets even better, Trump security chief says he rejected Russian offer of women to Trump.

      PEEEEEE-PEEEEEE!

      (Yeah, it’s the caffeine).

      • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

        We have an official denial- now we know The PeePee tape is fo’realzies.

        • Dept. of Space Tacos

          EGGSZACTLY!

    • StrangerCaptainHowdy

      Yay!

  • jesuswasablack
    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      His hands have been dead and cold for 20 years. So have the Columbine victims. About time we took the guns away.

      • StrangerCaptainHowdy

        I saw a relative of his not wash his hands in the restroom. True fact.

        • Boojum

          He’d have had to drop the gun.

    • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

      This gives me a sad.

  • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

    I hope to see the Second Amendment fully repealed and an Australia-style weapons ban implemented in my lifetime.

    Then again, I’m not planning on living until 120.

    • Alex Grey

      IDK, I hear that prayers work…

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Having a subscription to Assault Weapons Monthly is a good way to ensure proper mail delivery.

  • jesuswasablack
    • MynameisBlarney

      When your life revolves around murder toys…
      Might want to check your priorities.

      • Ling Ling

        That decal absolutely screams celibacy.

        • MynameisBlarney

          Or REALLY fucking annoying married couple.

          • Raan

            Who are possibly cousins.

    • Vincent Ricola

      I would never let my kids play with their kids.

  • OneYieldRegular

    This story never gets too old to bring out again every time Republicans try to go up against Dianne Feinstein on guns.

    During the Senate’s debate over the assault weapons ban in the 1990’s, then Senator Larry Craig (that Larry Craig) condescendingly said to Feinstein, “the gentlelady from California needs to become a little bit more familiar with firearms and their deadly characteristics.”

    Feinstein replied: “I am quite familiar with firearms. I became mayor as a product of assassination. I found my assassinated colleague [Harvey Milk] and put a finger through a bullet hole trying to get a pulse. Senator, I know something about what firearms can do.”

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Bet his stance narrowed all the way up to his neck.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Actually, that was just because he got a woody thinking about how glorious and righteous firearms are: God sent them to America to kill the gays. (Except for righteous and holy Larry Craig, that is)

  • jesuswasablack
  • Ling Ling

    Immediate repeal of gun manufacturer liability restrictions would also be a big win.

    • jowgajen

      Or even just funding for research on gun violence.

  • jesuswasablack

    I let my assault weapons subscription expire but I’ll never stop getting my Tiny Penis magazine!

    http://blog.joehuffman.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/TinyPenisMagazine.jpg

  • Beelzebubba

    There’s one other piece of machinery that kills tens of thousands annually, and we have no problem registering, regulating, and insuring them and their owners.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Not to mention that when I was born in 1960, you stuck the baby in a flexible carrier and laid it on the backseat, and seatbelts were an upgrade. Glass in the windows killed thousands and maimed thousands more. When technology and common sense caught up, things changed.

      • Ling Ling

        My fave example of altering society is smoking. Back in the day, we did. Now we don’t. What happened?

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          The tobacco lobby got replaced by the alcohol and pharmaceutical lobbies as the go-to merchants of “healthy” self-destruction. Vodka cures cancer, and prescription meth for ADHD is good for you!

      • Beelzebubba

        Odd how the auto industry and the AAA didn’t give money to legislators in exchange for keeping seat belts out of cars.
        It’s almost as if the NRA is different.

    • Same with swimming pools. Both of these items are heavily regulated and laws are regularly updated to make them safer.

      Every time a gun nut brings up cars I tell them fine, let’s regulate guns the same as cars. At that point they move the goal posts – “cars aren’t a guaranteed ‘right’ in the Constitution!”

      OK, but you brought up cars in regard to how many people get killed by them, not as a “Constitutional right”.

  • Good_Gawd_Yall

    If arguing with gun nuts worked, there wouldn’t be any gun nuts. It’s a fairly simple concept that the wording of a more than 250-year-old document that was written when America had no standing army and single-shot weapons took literal minutes to reload should be updated. We have no problem using the Constitution to regulate the internet or decide cases of genetic modification – because we apply the concepts in the document to modern life. Why, then, must we adhere to the literal reading (which conveniently ignores parts it doesn’t like) of just one amendment?

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Because Congress figured out a way to not have the 3rd Amendment be useless. They combined the First and Second into guns being freedom of religious speech.

    • cmd resistor

      Yeah, I’ve gotten bogged down with wingnut bro on the assault rifle/weapon thing and other dumb semantic arguments that have nothing to do with anything.

    • It’s funny how they all simultaneously, yet independently, became English majors.

      They can go on and on in detail about commas in the Second Amendment yet most of them can’t string a proper sentence together.

      Interestingly, they never apply that kind of scrutiny to anything else. But then they couldn’t because some NRA lackey came up with the comma thing and then disseminated it. Half the people using it don’t even understand the argument they’re parroting.

  • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

    “People can kill with spoons!!!”

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Pretzels nearly took out a Bush. Should we ban . . .
      Wait.

      • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

        Choking plus high sodium make them the double killer.

        • weejee
          • cmd resistor

            I think the only compliment I’ve sincerely had for W (besides him not being Trump) is that was a pretty good dodge.

          • The Wanderer

            He was a doofus, but he could dodge shoes like a martial artist.

          • marxalot

            Whaddya think gowing up with Barb for a mom was like?

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Oh, it makes sense now.

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Seriously, how did he get so fast?

    • VirginiaMorningBlend

      You can make a shank out of a fried chicken drumstick bone. Practically a sword out of a turkey leg! Legless poultry from now on!!

  • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

    OT: Speaking of toxic macho culture and its body-destroying bloodsports —

    Scientists say Aaron Hernandez’s brain tissue showed severe damage to areas responsible for memory and impulse control — and that it was the WORST case of CTE they have ever seen

    Bob Costas comments on concussion crisis in NFL: “This game destroys people’s brains”

    While we’re at it trying to take the guns away, can we get rid of the sports that are basically the human form of a Demolition Derby? All of it ties together in a culture that glorifies violence and self-harm as “valiant heroism.” For every idiotic MRA who thinks feminists don’t care about boys and men being hurt, THIS is why you’re wrong. We do.

    • Gussie Jives

      Hmm, don’t think you’d have a lot of support for banning hockey in Canada. I think there needs to be a significant adjustment to the way head shots are handled on all levels, starting at the minor junior leagues. A phase-out of the role of enforcer is also long overdue. The players that suffered the worst CTE (Boogaard, Probert, Belak) were all enforcers who basically engaged in bare-knuckle boxing matches while on skates.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        How about no hockey until 18, and fuck football altogether. No more of this shit for children, and take it out of schools, which are for learning and nonviolent conflict resolution rather than glorification of fighting.

        • Gussie Jives

          I’m biased because I’m not a football fan, but I could get behind that. No way in hell I’d let my kids play either of those in an organized league.

          • Swampgas_Man

            And let’s take a look at my beloved MMA and boxing, Now that women are breaking into the game, expect to see a LOT more cases of female CTE in the future.

    • the_steamer

      I would love to just agree with you but the percentage of wealth obtained by African Americans playing football specifically not to mention all blood sports as a whole is a measurable, significant portion of all the wealth possessed by all African Americans. Unless we are comprehensively overhauling the entire economic inequality faced by Americans today, and especially minorities, it’s hard for me to claim these men can’t sacrifice their bodies for the well being of their families in the face of known disadvantages and statistical ceilings to earnings and wealth accumulation.

  • x111e7thst

    Dems make the babby jeesus cry so hard he is at substantial risk of dehydration

    • StrangerCaptainHowdy

      We hates the babby jeesus! Yay!

    • Didn’t he already get dehydrated when they punched a bunch of holes in him?

      • Boojum

        He got better.

        • Doug Langley

          Yes, that refreshing rest in the tomb really perked him up.

  • Gussie Jives

    Just gonna take this opportunity to remind my neighbours to the south why it is that Canuckistan doesn’t experience AR-15 shootings despite it being legal to own: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ar-15-can-be-purchased-in-canada-but-heres-why-203816624.html

    Aside from its tactical look, though, he says the AR-15 fires one bullet at a time from a magazine limited — in Canada, at least — to five rounds. In practical terms, he says it is no more dangerous than a typical hunting rifle.

    But Noah says the difference between Canada and the U.S. is not the availability of the weapon itself, but the training and screening process that precedes a purchase.

    In Orlando, “this guy obtained his guns legally. He passed two background checks in a two-day period to buy these,” Noah says.

    Canada has a much more arduous firearms safety training and permitting process.

    The screening overseen by the RCMP is completed manually and includes interviews with at least two people whose names are provided by the applicant and can include others, such as former conjugal partners or local law enforcement.

    “It is not a matter of pressing a button on a computer,” he says.

    In the U.S., the screening is automated and “it’s terrible.”

    Anything that takes on the attitude of unrestricted gun ownership is a good thing in my book. It’s gotten far too many people killed.

    • cmd resistor

      I have wondered why we couldn’t have some kind of screening like that with interviews. Sure it wouldn’t solve everything but it could weed out some of these people who, in retrospect, shouldn’t have had access to water pistols, records or not.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Because Canuckistan is a communist dictatorship that hates freedom, and Justin Trudeau is an Illuminati puppet of George Soros is why.

        • sarafina

          I like Canada. Justin lives there.

          • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

            I like them too, and him. Half of ‘Murica does not, because half of ‘Murica is morans who use “drama teacher” as a dogwhistle insult meaning “drama queen.” Then again, that seems to be the case for at least a turd of Canada too.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Sadly, they have assholes too and they are being trained just like ours have been.

        • Indeniable Ron

          And we wouldn’t have it any other way.

      • Gussie Jives

        For the vast majority of American gun owners, that’s probably fine. The problem is that sliver of gun owners (that 3% that own half of America’s weapons) that have the siege mentality, believing that the ATF or the FBI are at their door just waiting to snatch them up. These are the assholes that join the Oath Keepers and militias and have “Molon Labe” pasted everywhere, and the NRA is only too happy to cater to them.

        http://time.com/4499088/guns-us-super-owners-report/

        In all seriousness, American gun policy is basically held hostage by a bunch of David Koreshes. How’s that for a scary thought?

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          It should be categorized as a mental illness. “Hoarding: Oaf Keepers Edition.” 99.99999% of the time I’ll bet you’re going to see a bunch of Jesus paraphernalia strung about the house and bumper stickers plastered on the rolling-coal pickup truck too. Along with Covfeferate crap of one form or another and probably testicles on the trailer hitch too.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Canada doesn’t have a Second Amendment, let alone gun culture codified into a death cult of penile-insecurity religion. If there is a/many God/dess/(e)s, thank him/her/them that Harper isn’t in office. They’d have Polytéchniques every commercial break during the Hockey Night broadcasts, just like we have Columbines and Vegas massacres every time Dotard gets up to take a twit and a shit. That fucker was determined to turn Canada into the 51st state.

      Trudeau gets attacked over the Internet for basically saying he’s raising his boys not to be Elliott Rodger or Marc Lépine. Far as I’m concerned, the Rodgers and Lépines attacking him for it from their oh-so-brave bunkers in mom’s basement should be first on the list to be denied access to owning so much as a slingshot.

      Like you said, it’s not only the weapon. It’s the attitude and the mindset. Another thing that Canada does better.

      • Gussie Jives

        Oh, don’t get me started on Harper and the bullshit he pulled with the long gun registry. The cops didn’t want that gone for a reason.

        But on the point of the mindset, that really does come through during the safety course. I took it in 2009 and passed the exam, and the people who run them are professionals. They drill it into your head that gun ownership is a privilege and a serious responsibility, and safety is paramount. If you can’t demonstrate a firearm safe backwards and forwards in your sleep then it’s not a responsibility you’re ready for. That’s the kind of first impression that stays with you and keeps you from treating your firearm like an expensive toy.

      • what, me worry?

        The second amendment doesn’t confer the right to own anything. Ownership is a privilege of wealth, and the exercise of your rights can’t be subject to privilege. Therefore, if owning a gun were a right, the government would be required to issue you one on demand. They aren’t. Therefore, owning a gun isn’t a right.

        However, you can get the government to issue you a shiny new assault rifle. Just join the National Guard. You’ll be required to muster with it and train with it and answer the call when summoned. You’ll be in a well regulated militia.

        Just like the amendment intended. No purchase necessary.

  • Jennifer R

    Don’t grandfather out existing hardware.
    Mandatory surrender or federal jail time.

    • chortlingdingo

      Or something like the Australian mandatory buyback. Guns are expensive, and I don’t mind people being compensated for them. It’d probably make people less likely to hide them away too.

      • puredog

        I’ve always thought that, if well-funded enough (HA HA HA HA HA), a buyback would be a very good idea. If there are 300 million guns out there and the approach is to just say “Oh, we’ll grandfather them all, period (plus the ones that get fire-sale-sold while the legislation is pending),” it’s less effective than it might be.

      • the_steamer

        I don’t even care if it’s a voluntary, or lightly coerced buy back. I don’t care if some collectors or fetishists or patriots own fully automatic weapons. I’m more of a numbers guy when it comes to this kind of thing. I know someone among the grandfathered or licensed community “could” go crazy and kill a few dozen people, but the chances are lower than a member of “everyone in the general public” potentially going nuts.

  • M16-A2 – what I was issued my entire time in the Army (nearly 9 years).

    It does not fire fully automatic. It is an assault rifle.

    • BigCSouthside

      Yep, and no range officer ever sung it’s praises as a hunting or sporting rifle either

  • Beelzebubba

    I wonder what percentage of Americans would be OK with repealing the Second Amendment, and getting into line with the rest of the civilized world.

    • Paperless Tiger

      Evidently, the more than half that doesn’t vote.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Count me in that group. Confiscation now, confiscation tomorrow, confiscation forever.

    • VirginiaMorningBlend

      Enough that it will never be put up for citizens to vote on. A repeal would pass and the NRA knows it.

    • what, me worry?

      No need. The 2nd isn’t incapatible with gun control. It prohibits the federal government from preventing the states from maintaining a militia. The national guard fulills that commitment. There are no ownership rights in the amendment. There never were. It’s all just PR from the NRA.

      • the_steamer

        Well, it’s actually “PR” from previous Supreme Court decisions.

        • what, me worry?

          The 5 extremists in the SC got the definition from the NRA, dude. It’s a scam. It’s a scam to sell guns. It always has been.

          • the_steamer

            I’m not arguing that point, but pretending that Congress is just falling for some NRA trope that they can’t confiscate everyone’s guns is bull. The Supreme Court rulings matter.

          • what, me worry?

            So do elections, but the current slate of centrist, corporate democrats is about as interested in correcting the definition of the second amendment as Wayne LaPierre is.

            If you want this stuff fixed, you need to turn much further left.

          • the_steamer

            We wouldn’t have nearly such a problem if that corporatist centrist Clinton was elected a year ago, flipping the Supreme Court to the left for the first time in over 30 years.

          • what, me worry?

            we’d still have an 8 member court, since the Senate majority had already committed to 4 more years of obstruction if Clinton had won. They were never going to allow a Democrat to fill that seat.

            And even if they did, Clinton has no interest in nominating a bomb thrower with a legitimate originalist definition of the 2nd amendment. Could you imaging? In committee, the nominee says, quite truthfully, that the amendment confers no ownership rights of any kind, and as long as states maintain a national guard, they can ban whatever guns they’d like.

            Half the Democrats would vote against that nominee. They have no appetite for this.

          • the_steamer

            Well, you are right that eliminating the 2nd amendment and confiscating everyone’s weapons wouldn’t at all be in Clinton’s interests, or that of maybe 1 or 2 members of Congress, Governors, legislatures, courts or anywhere else. They have no appetite for Civil War.

          • what, me worry?

            I see you’ve been indoctrinated into the NRA definition of the 2nd amendment too. The description I provide above doesn’t eliminate the second amendment, it returns it to the original definition.

            The intent was to enable a well regulated militia. It is clear from the amendment and from the sentence structure. “Because this thing is necessary, this other thing in service to that thing is true.”

            This means that the militia was the point, not the private ownership of guns. In fact, it doesn’t reference ownership anywhere in the amendment. Because ownership isn’t a right.

            Ownership is a privilege of wealth. And since the free exercise of your rights can’t be subject to privilege, if ownership was a right, you could demand the government give you a gun for free. Since you can’t, or they’d lock you in a loony bin, we can safely conclude that ownership isn’t a right.

            Also the purchase of anything is an act of commerce, and Congress is specifically authorized to regulate commerce.

            However, the maintenance of a well regulated militia is a priority. It remains so. So, if you want the government to issue you a gun, you can do that. Just join the Guard. You’ll be part of a well regulated militia, and as a member of that protected community, you’ll have the right to keep and bear your issues weapon.

            Just like the amendment intended.

            Anyone who threatens violence over that is an insurrectionist, and should be shot.

          • the_steamer

            I know what the intent was and the history of it. I also know that it’s not worth starting a civil war over, which is what you propose.

            I dislike gunhumpers, but one aspect of their argument rings true to me: you can’t solve crime by making more people criminals. Guns are legal, and making them illegal will mean making more law abiding citizens into outlaws. That’s dumb.

          • what, me worry?

            Then get comfortable with ~25k gun deaths per year. Those are your choices.

            And just because something isn’t a right, doesn’t mean it is automatically illegal. Owning a house isn’t a right, but no one is coming to collect it from you.

            However, recognizing that it isn’t a right enables the states to take control of their own gun policies. You wouldn’t have a bunch of “gun humpers” bringing their AK-47 to Denny’s just because they think they can.

          • the_steamer

            You’re literally saying that inciting a civil war that would cost millions of lives is worth it to save thousands of lives a year. That’s irrational. Stop.

          • what, me worry?

            I don’t know what to tell you. If you accept the NRA fiction that owning a gun is a right, then you are accepting the reality of ~25k gun deaths per year. The two go hand in glove.

            If we aren’t willing to argue the rightness of our cause, we need to be comfortable with the consequences.

            So, stop complaining about gun deaths.

        • Beelzebubba

          Yeah, “keep AND bear arms” sure does suggest an ownership right – you need some mental gymnastics to read it otherwise.
          The issue is what constitutes infringement – and there’s plenty of precedent for ‘regulating’ constitutional rights.

          • Indeniable Ron

            Hell, there’s precedent for eliminating certain rights COMPLETELY.

  • BigCSouthside

    That bill is awful generous

    There’s millions of these fucking things, and I’d like the ban to be more all encompassing. If it takes a detachable magazine, its an assault weapon. I don’t care if it’s a tiny little 22. Magazines are to allow more rapid high volume fire

    • puredog

      And near-instant reloading.

    • Jimh

      And if you show me a detachable magazine, I’ll show you somebody who is selling a high capacity version. Also, in related news, bump stocks are back on the market (now that Las Vegas has been out of the news cycle for two weeks).

  • StrangerCaptainHowdy

    [not mine]

    Liberals are doing a disservice by trying to defeat Dianne Feinstein

    To the editor: What is the best way to resist President Trump and the GOP? Think strategically and act tactically. The only strategy right now is to regain control of Congress by electing more Democratic lawmakers.

    That means people like Alison Hartson and state Senate leader Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) should be running to unseat sitting GOP representatives.

    As a resident of Orange County, Hartson is extremely well-positioned to take on one of several such representatives who are in districts that Hillary Clinton won. Running against a sitting Democratic senator does nothing to change the political map. While Sen. Dianne Feinstein may not take up the resistance mantle the way many of us would like, she is reliable on any vote that matters.

    We have seen the result of non-strategic actions. Voting for Ralph Nader or Jill Stein might have been emotionally satisfying; however, the effect of such votes in swing states has been devastating.

    Now is most definitely not the time to search for the perfect while the catastrophic is upon us.

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-dianne-feinstein-opponents-20171109-story.html

  • AnnieGetYerFun
  • ((( Augustus )))

    Gun laws won’t stop 100% of gun violence so basically it’s useless to try anything

    Speed limits don’t stop all drivers from speeding so why have them at all?

    In fact, since we have laws but people just keep breaking them, why not just get rid of them altogether?

    • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

      Why have murder laws? Aren’t people still getting murdered? It’d be best if we got rid of all laws, stayed at home and smoked in bed while hoping for the best.

      • Old town Urbandale

        Why do we have age of consent laws when assistant district attorneys in Alabama still molest young girls?

        • Indeniable Ron

          Ooh, I know this one!
          It’s so he can keep them all to himself and not have to share, right?

        • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

          I think we need to start the “Baby-fuckin’ Roy Moore” moniker.

    • Buzz1313

      Exactly! People abuse prescription drugs like crazy and yet I still need a prescription to get Xanax! How’s that fair??

  • ((( Augustus )))

    WELL

    REGULATED

    MILITIA

  • what, me worry?

    Politicians recommend assault weapons bans when they want to look like they’re doing something without really doing anything. First, compared to handguns, assault weapons kill very few actual people. Second, what makes a weapon an “Assault weapons” is nebulous. It’s like the definition of the difference between art and porn. I know what it looks like, but it’s hard to quantify.

    The San Bernardino shooters had assault weapons legally purchased in California, which has an assault weapons ban. Because its impossible for the law to keep up with the changes to the design to get around the law, assault weapons bans are for optics, not to get guns out of anyone’s actual hands.

    You want a law that will make a difference, restrict the sale of handguns. If you’ve been convicted of any type of violence, you should need a court order to get a gun. If you’re on mental illness meds, you need a cert from your Dr saying you aren’t a danger to yourself or others.

    That kind of thing.

    • BigCSouthside

      i think we start small. Ban anything based on Stoner’s design, and anything based off an AK, and drop magazine capacity to 6 for all guns.

      Then ban anything with a detachable magazine.

      Detachable magazines and hi capacity magazines are what make certain guns so devastating in these mass shooting scenarios

      • Indeniable Ron

        You’d have some problems with the flat detachable magazine ban – a number of quite innocent hunting rifles use those, though the capacity is small.

    • Juan de Fuca

      If assault weapons were never legal and available for sale in the first place, ya know how many mass shootings we would’ve had with them?

      ZERO.

      This is a good start. Thank you Sen Feinstein for showing some common sense and leadership. Make it happen.

      • what, me worry?

        Assault weapons are illegal in California. The San Bernardino shooters had assault weapons, legally purchased in California. Because what classifies a gun as an assault weapon is constantly changing. The manufacturer will alter the design, slightly, to conform with the new law.

        Look, if it makes you feel safer, there’s no harm in it, but it doesn’t actually do anything to stop people from getting what you and I would identify as an assault rifle.

        • Juan de Fuca

          They are not illegal in California. I’ve got 22 years of active military service and I’m calling the civilian version of the AR-15 an assault rifle. I reserve the right to do so because I happen to know more than a little something about them. Some other vets may not, but I call them assault weapons. I’m not sure when people started saying “well, technically it’s not an assault rifle if you can’t fire it fully auto” because ya know what? They taught us in the Army to never fire the damn thing on full auto anyway – because it wastes ammo and isn’t as accurate.

          Civilian versions of the AR-15 are assault weapons in my book. Especially considering how easy it is to convert to fully auto, damn near fully auto, whatever makes you happy. It’s an assault weapon. Ban them. You wanna fire one? Join the military.

          • what, me worry?

            Oh, FFS.

            “While California’s Assault Weapons Ban does allow individuals to obtain, transport or possess banned weapons with permission from the DOJ, the DOJ generally does not grant such permission to ordinary citizens.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

            They are illegal in California. The San Bernardino guns passed muster because of a tiny button that released the magazine.

            That’s how these laws work in real life. I was in the military too. What I call an Assault Rifle isn’t a legal definition. Neither is yours.

          • Juan de Fuca

            Since we’re using Wikipedia as a legit source, here is how they define “assault weapon”:

            Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[1] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud[…]

            The firearms industry itself introduced the term “assault weapon” to build interest in new product lines.[8] Phillip Peterson, the author of Gun Digest Buyer’s Guide to Assault Weapons (2008) wrote:

            The popularly held idea that the term ‘assault weapon’ originated with anti-gun activists is wrong. The term was first adopted by manufacturers, wholesalers, importers and dealers in the American firearms industry to stimulate sales of certain firearms that did not have an appearance that was familiar to many firearms owners. The manufacturers and gun writers of the day needed a catchy name to identify this new type of gun.

            I can drive to any Big 5 in California today and purchase one with a 10 day wait. I work with guys here in California who literally have small arsenals at their homes, dude. Legally.
            Now, you’ll forgive me if I crawl back out of your rabbit hole because I’ve been there/done that with you before. Agree to disagree.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

          • what, me worry?

            The law is what it is, Juan, whether I quote it from Wiki, or anywhere else.

            Are you suggesting that’s not the law in California, or just trying to smear the source so you don’t have to deal with it? I’m just curious.

            As for your definition on “assault weapon”, your own screen capture says it’s vague. It varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. So, what’s the definition of Assault Weapon, Juan? Your source doesn’t say.

          • Juan de Fuca

            The screen capture and source spelled it out clearly – read it again. What I’m personally saying is that’s perfectly legal to own assault weapons in California. I literally know this because I live here and work with folks who have plenty of them.

            I think you’re splitting hairs by saying they’re technically banned because semi-automatic rifles with detachable clips are illegal in California unless it takes a tool to detach the magazine. Manufacturers found a way around this by making the same type of magazine release button that military AR-15’s used except for the civilian model it requires the use of a tool, in some cases the simple use of the tip of a bullet (a tool) to press a detent in the magazine detach button, which makes it an assault weapon again. That’s why they’re called “Bullet Buttons” and are legal.

            So, yes – assault weapons are very much legal here in socialist California, because of a loophole in the law.

            For the record, I could get behind a law that ends the confusion and the loopholes that will probably be in any new law and simply ban the manufacture and sale of any semiautomatic weapon, period.

          • what, me worry?

            You’re playing with language, Juan, not making an actual point. It is not legal to own assault weapons in California. California has instituted an assault weapons ban. The weapons to which you refer have been designed so that they legally don’t meet the definition of an assault weapon. So, the weapons that are legal to own in California are not designated “assault weapons”.

            Which is the entire point of my comment, Juan. It is too easy to build in definitions to the law to allow manufacturers to design in features to defeat the spirit of the law, so such a law simply doesn’t really impact the weapons that are sold in any real way.

        • the_steamer

          It’s not difficult to write laws banning weapons capable of killing 20-30 people in minutes. This must be true, because it’s not like they were just invented in 2007, when Virgina Tech turned into the site of one of America’s deadliest massacres. Or Newtown in 2012, or Orlando in 2016, or Las Vegas in October or South Sutherland this week. That’s 5 incidents with 5 individuals that slaughtered over 170 innocent men, women and children with guns that are universally recognized as “assault weapons”. Hey, just think of it like pornography. Even if you have trouble defining every example, you’ll know it when you see it.

          • what, me worry?

            No, it isn’t hard to write those laws at all. Australia did it. They also had a huge confiscation effort. They haven’t had a mass shooting since.

            An “assault weapons ban” isn’t that.

          • the_steamer

            Start somewhere, work your way around. It’s a tragi-comical paralysis to claim nothing can be done because it’s not perfect the first time.

          • what, me worry?

            Of course something can be done. Ban private ownership of firearms, and confiscate those that already exist. Almost 50% of the guns in circulation in the US are held by 3% of the population. True story. I’m not an opponent on this. I’m a zealot.

            The fact is, there are no ownership rights conferred by the second amendment. If you want a gun, join the guard. They’ll issue you a gun and you’ll muster and train with it. You’ll be part of a well regulated militia, just as the amendment intended. There is no constitutional right to own a fucking thing. It’s all made up.

    • puredog

      Are you back?

      • what, me worry?

        I drop by when something interesting is going on. Sadly, that’s not often lately.

    • anomie

      Enacting stricter handgun laws is my fantasy but it’s a much harder sell than an assault weapon ban. Which isn’t likely to gain traction, either. Sadly.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      bullshit

  • King Beauregard

    So, where’s Bernie on this one?

    • StrangerCaptainHowdy
      • Boojum

        Funny that. The elections seem to show something else.

        • StrangerCaptainHowdy

          I wonder why he “caucuses with” such losers.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            i got his cauc-us right here, know what i’m sayin?

      • Buzz1313

        Why is he still talking? That’s rude of me to say, but how does he think his is helping anything? Democrats are the only ones holding this shitshow together.

        • StrangerCaptainHowdy

          Maybe he’s not trying to help?

          • Toledo Window Box

            Nah, he’s trying to help, in a Ralph Nader sort of way.

    • Doug Langley

      Accusing Hilz of rigging the convention?

      • StrangerCaptainHowdy

        Only through surrogates, please.

    • christmas is canceled

      I assume waiting for instructions from the NRA.

    • theblackdog

      Secretly taking NRA money because he represents hunters in VT?

  • Red Rose

    If the Democratic Party were wise, they would stop trying to ban weapons but, use taxation to make weapons and bullets more expensive.

    • StrangerCaptainHowdy

      Tell us more, please.

      • Red Rose

        Two ideas are a value-added tax on bullet jackets, primers, and gun powder at retail level or a consumption tax at the buyer level.

        There are people that will fight to the death before they give up their right to have a semi-automatic weapon. I’m suggesting that Congress makes it expensive as hell to use that weapon.

        • StrangerCaptainHowdy
        • Toledo Window Box

          That will just create a black market for the ammo. A total ban will be effective, we have the data.

          • Red Rose

            There won’t be a ban on selling ammo to the military and law enforcement. If ammunition is being made for their use, there will be a black market anyway.

            I admire your recognition of the preciousness of all human life, but history has already shown what happens to the Democratic Party when bans are forced on gun owners.

          • Toledo Window Box

            Things change. Nice to see somebody do the right thing for the right reason though, especially when it carries a political cost.

    • theblackdog

      LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! A raise in any form of taxes would be even deader in the water with the Repukes than an assault weapons ban.

      • StrangerCaptainHowdy

        Hush, Red Rose with 4 comments is enlightening us about what the Democratic Party would do if they were wise.

        • ahughes798

          Well, comedian Chris Rock said “Make each bullet cost $500.” So Red Rose is not the only person who has had that thought. I’ve had it, too.

          • Impatient

            When, in reality, it’s the idjut ammosexuals who have already bid up the price of ammo, and produced specific shortages, through their wild hoarding for the real “SHTF” (shit hits the fan) event that they’re sure is right around the corner. They’re soooo colorful, and soooo stupid.

          • Sakonyachen

            The best part about these nimrods is they don’t have brick houses but they have tons of ammo. A house that a shotgun can cut a doorway into will not stop food raids. How do they plan to carry it? Refined gas will dry up in a week. So even if they have a vehicle they won’t get far. And where the fuck are they going anyway? You can’t walk with thousands of rounds when most rifle and pistol ammo is 2lbs per hundred and up, and shotgun ammo is 10lbs per hundred and up. Houses won’t be safe after a doomsday scenario because marauders will take any sign of human occupancy as proof of a food source. Guns are good equalizers, but raiders will probably have them too.

            The best protection against a doomsday scenario is stop voting for Republicans.

          • Impatient

            Want an even funnier thing?

            Read a bit about guns a while back. (Interesting machines. Ran out of new ‘car porn.’ Maybe I’m just a typical guy; can’t help it … Still wouldn’t own one.)

            Turns out gun reviewers and safety folk point out that most guns can’t be safely used inside a house for self defense. They’re almost all too powerful and/or shoot the wrong kind of rounds. You’ll shoot right through any door or wall, and kill your own pretty little Muffy or Chad. Would be a big LOL, if not for the whole death thing.

            AR 15s? Dumbshits.

      • Red Rose

        You just may be right. However, The current leader of the Republican Party is not good at his job and I personally believe that this will lead to a future Democratic majority in 2020.

      • Sakonyachen

        Gotta disagree on that point. This is a tax on poor people mostly. Republicans love those.

    • Toledo Window Box

      That’s very clever propaganda right there, Red. Congrats. Tell your supervisors you deserve a raise – seriously.

  • CriticalDragon1177

    Let the pro gun lunatic whining begin!

    • puredog

      They probably don’t have to. They’ll just let the Rethuglicans bat this aside effortlessly, no comment necessary.

  • NastyBossetti

    Earlier today, I received an advertisement in my work email for ALICE Training. The email talked about how a teacher, after having received the training, was able to stop a shooter in her high school in September. It made me fucking angry that we’re ok with this kind of thing being necessary.
    So I guess my point is: good. It may not get anywhere, but we have to start somewhere.

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    Now THIS I will send all my thoughts and prayers to.

  • William
  • Bebecca

    I guess they are emboldened by our victories on Tuesday. I think it’s a good first move, probably only the serious ammosexuals will have a problem with this.

    • the_steamer

      I like to think that they are surveying the evidence before them and using innocent lives as a metric have determined the previous legislature protecting assault weapons and extended magazines was flawed.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    there’s good evidence that mass shootings did decline while the earlier ban was in effect, but the question of causality is difficult to nail down

    So the block on federally funded and/or CDC studies into gun violence is working as planned is what you’re saying.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    I know two men who own assault rifles. Both are white and live in rural areas, one is 62, one is 42, both weigh considerably more than their doctors think they should. “What do they do with these guns?” I asked. Answer – they go out into the woods on some friend’s farm with a cooler of beer, and they shoot at things or at the air, or they go to a nearby target range and kill a lot of cardboard targets, and then they go home and smoke pot. “So, they are just expensive toys for personal entertainment that provide an opportunity to consume vast quantities of mood-enhancing supplements while simultaneously making a lot of noise,” I said. Silence for 5 seconds, then an angry speech about their 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. I say “God help us” if we ever needed to depend on these two guys to proclaim themselves a militia and defend the nation.

    Oh, yeah, I almost forgot…the 62-yr-old guy just cheated AT&T out of a $900 phone his wife bought 3 weeks ago and hadn’t yet paid for before she died of cancer a week later (RIP Charlotte, you were a lovely lady). He has told AT&T he can’t find the phone, but he kept it and is using it as his personal phone. He thinks they won’t catch him. He is a moron, and this moron has an assault rifle.

    • blaid droog

      Most people with assault rifles qualify as morons. Let’s hope at&t goes after him the way sony goes after video pirates.

      • phoenix00

        I wish him…. a bunch of billing errors.

        (I don’t think I need to add a “with votes” qualifier either)

    • Sakonyachen

      They are protecting us apparently. They will make good front line fodder while the rest of us run to get behind the actual military.

    • Maybe

      But you can’t legally be drunk and drive. If we just treated guns like cars it would be a vast improvement.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Very true, and in more ways than one. You have to pass a test to get a driver’s license, and you have to renew that license every so many years, and you have to register the car, renew the car license plates every so often, and have the car inspected every so often. Guns should be treated exactly the same way.

        • Maybe

          You also also must insure your vehicle and you are not allowed to take it into Walmart.

    • TheFamilyThalamusPersists

      Of the vast cornucopia of fuckery contained in the description of the twats, above, I am nearly livid that these fucking idiots are shooting bullets IN THE AIR.

      They come down at a pretty goddamn fast velocity, and someone will be hurt or killed.
      http://forensicoutreach.com/library/the-falling-bullet-myths-legends-and-terminal-velocity/

      Jesus.

      ( Also, you should squeal on him to AT&T )

  • Courser_Resistance

    Colorado banned the sale of magazines over 10 rounds or so. MagPul got pissy and moved to Wyoming (and I think they paid to relocate employees who wanted to make the move) and gave away a crapton of extended magazines in an attempt to flood Colorado with extended magazines.

    So that happened a few years ago. But we’re only one state. Interestingly enough, I have *heard* that people with CO ID canNOT just go buy an extended magazine at Cabela’s in Nebraska. But I’m sure there are less ethical outlets who would be happy to give them away as a Fuck You to the people of Colorado who voted in favor.

  • Marsupial99

    the number of high-casualty mass shootings increased significantly after the ban expired in 2004

    Well, that’s just great, Dok! You just gave the gun-humpers their newest argument. You see, if this new ban passes, then a few years from now, when it expires due to all that sweet NRA money voting to get rid of it, shootings will go WAY UP AGAIN and it will be ALL LIBERAL’S FAULT!!

    They’re just trying to save us from ourselves. They’re so S-M-R-T!

    • SpideySenser

      When they allowed the ban to expire, my first and immediate thought was “Well there goes civilization as we know it. What are those morons thinking? There’s a shitstorm a-coming”. I was right.

      • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

        thanks, obama!

  • blaid droog

    I certainly don’t believe I’m the oldest person reading wonkette, so I can’t believe I’m the only person here that remembers once upon a time, when we actually had gun laws that made gun ownership and licensing inconvenient and difficult, wrapped up in red tape. More so, many types of Automatic weapons didn’t even exist for general consumption. Maybe if enough ordinary citizens screamed loudly enough and often enough we would be able to shout down the nra. After all, their chief spokesman died after being eviscerated by a bunch of apes, who then took his rifle from his cold dead hands. Wayne la pissant is a terrible spokesperson because there’s no way anybody could ever believe he’s even remotely masculine.

  • Toledo Window Box

    Democrats don’t stand for anything, my butt.

  • Cornelius Fussbudget

    I love the class action lawsuit against Slide Fire Solutions. They argued to the BATF that they were not a firearm or ammunition, so they are not subject to regulation. But, if that’s true, they are not immune under the PLCAA.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-10/las-vegas-shooting-victims-sue-bump-stock-maker

  • richardgrabman

    Well, at least by negative evidence, the US Assault Weapons Ban did work… here in Mexico. The murder rate was declining until the month that ban expired in the US…and has been going up ever since. Thanks for nothin’, gringos.

  • One thought about the Second Amendment:

    Ever take a look at the Third Amendment?

    “No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.”

    Ever wonder why it’s there? Because, as referred to in the Declaration of Independence, the Brits were doing just that in order to impose their will on the colonies. Take the two (2A and 3A) together, and to me it makes it clear that the Framers weren’t as concerned with giving people the ability to defend themselves from government tyranny as they were with the potential for abuse of a standing army. Give the federal government the ability to bully its citizens, and, well….

    (By the way, back then there was nothing close to what we’d consider a regular police force, either. The first one was established in Boston in 1838.)

    They preferred a trained citizenry who would be able to muster into an armed force in time of danger. But as the War of 1812 showed, volunteer militias were crap. So we eventually came around to having a professionally trained regular army, and never bothered to fix the Second Amendment accordingly.

    • The Person.

      Well, strictly speaking there were the Bow St. Runners in London as far back as th4e 1790s…

    • Tj McGee Wright

      a “well organized militia” is olden speak for the military, there’s really not that much ambiguity about that, aside the fictionalized variety. Not your beer chugging hillbilly buddies shooting cans with bazookas ‘because freedom’ or whatever. ITS IN THE CONSTIPATION

  • Jonny On Maui

    I think it’s time for a rewrite of the second amendment. You want to hunt? Fine. Store your weapon at the local cop shop. You need a gun for personal protection? Bullshit. There’s no reason to deal out death to protect yourself.

    You still wanna gun? You really wanna kill that much? You really want to use that tool? Join the infantry or GTFO.

    • phoenix00

      I’m not opposed to a rewrite of the 2A – the grammar and phrasing are downright awful. Rather it’s the misinterpretation and the bald-faced ignorance of the words “well-formed militia” I have grave issues with.

      Is anyone seriously going to (legally) argue the Malheur ‘Y’all Queda’ fits the definition of a “well-formed militia”, let alone Bubbah Smith or one-L Michele?

      • Cody Hensyel

        Its referring to the people, you see back then the people WAS the militia and people rellied on themselves for self preservation instead of s government body. Remember when seconds count the police are only minutes away.

        • phoenix00

          Wow you managed to make an disqus account just to spew your dumbshit here on this old article? Participation medal for you!

          No “the people” do not count as a militia. And it’s not 1867 anymore. Time to update that shit.

          And are you this freaking paranoid? Who’s cominagetcha? The big bad wolf? The black thug with the skittles and Arizona iced tea? The Mooslems? The Libtards? Maybe perhaps consider moving somewhere safer (aka more developed) if you’re THIS scared.

          Go back to your gunhumping and leave us smart people the fuck alone.

    • Tj McGee Wright

      Typical Marxist-leftist Hellen Keller snowflake. Not even thinking of the Armed Government Conspiracists, Sad Ayn Rand Fanboy Loners or Senile Fox News Couch Coasting Grandpas. REAL AMERICA. Etc

    • Maybe

      No need for a rewrite. We just need a Supreme Court that will interpret it rationally.

    • Cody Hensyel

      Tell that to the woman walking home late at night that used a firearm to fend off would be rapists tell that to the MAN that shot back at the texas killer and hit him! His name was Stephen Willeford and was more a man than you’ll cowardice submissive ass will ever be. Fucking idiots without a fuckin brain I swear.

      • Jonny On Maui

        Firearms are a tool with a single purpose, to kill. Why do you need to be ready to kill constantly? Why are you so scared?

  • President in Exile Firefly

    But Chicago!

    • wavicles

      But Chicago’s emails!

      • Sakonyachen

        But Chicago’s emails on Chicago’s emails crime!

  • The Person.

    I’m probably gonna get massacred and dismembered for this, bbut, speaking as a deranged, alt-left, Alinsky-worshiping commie-pinko-Juggalo-with-AIDS-from-Obama, I must say — THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BE ALIENATING PEOPLE WITH GUN CONTROL STUFF. I’m well aware that we need to take military hardware off the street, but PLEASE, for the love of all you hold dear, remember that a HUGE percent of americans are literally single-issue voters. If you say you want to ban their precious peashooters, they WILL NOT VOTE FOR YOU. or worse, they will do a Gabby Gifford on you. Do you actually WANT the Pepe-Lickers to win in 2018? Because this is how you give Trump the next 8 years. If other democrats would just hold off on gun control until we can get the orange goon out of office, we might actually have a chance at restoring Obama’s legacy.

    • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

      i’ve had Way too many boozes today, i really dont like guns and have no use for them, and i also too agree with you (might be the boozes, i dunno)…this bill wont go anywhere, and (ugh, imma hate myself for this) only provides ammu (aww, fuck) nition for the type o people who would rather vote for a pedophile than a democrat…this is something that should wait for when the dems regain control of congress, but youknow, nobody ever accused the dems of being political stategery geniuses

      • The Person.

        I like guns, I have been known to go out to the middle of nowhere and redrum various and sundry inanimate objects purely for lulz, but only within reason. Personally, I’d be fine if it was limited to legitimate sporting arms, i.e, a break action or pump action shotgun in the gauge of your choice, bolt or lever action (or, on a case by case basis, certain semiautos) rifle in rimfire or centerfire calibers up to the NFA mandated .5 in. and handguns with a capacity up to 10 rds. I just don’t see the Democratic party being able to sell such a bill to a population as gunhumping as this one. The whole idea of ‘gun control’ has been made toxic by the NRA.

        • phoenix00

          “The population” isn’t as gunhumping as you think. It’s the NRA and their paid-off toadies in Congress, along with brain-dead dickholes like John Walsh that mash the panic button at any mention of gun control.

          • Sakonyachen

            It’s really pretty sad that a small number of people are too scared to live without the ability to kill without effort and can still threaten congress with their passion for their cowardice. The world really was upside down before Trump wasn’t it?

          • Maybe

            It would have to be for him to get elected. He’s the symptom, not the cancer.

          • phoenix00

            As we have established around these parts, Trump isn’t just a reflection of the modern GOP, he’s also the product.

        • Maybe

          I think the message needs to be for gun safety, not gun control. Some guns have a civilian purpose and Dems should make it clear they are not after those. They want mass-killing guns banned and universal background checks with a solid data base.

          In time the NRA could be made toxic because it defends the mass killing of children and because it makes a lot of money from the gun industry.

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      eh, I see your point. But the polls say the majority of americans (VAST MAJORITY) approve common sense gun control.

      The hardcore 2A folks are few, but rabid.

      • Sakonyachen

        Pfft!! Their just loud and whiny! Rabid is too much credit. If you have guns for hunting, home protection, and to stop the oppressive government from taking all the guns, who cares about gun laws? Laws are for big gummit anyway!

        Why do people let themselves even start down this 2A rabbit hole? I was just rattling the front door and saw how poorly constructed it was. Why go in?

      • Maybe

        But the hardcores are united and vote accordingly. Dems need to unite the mainstream.

    • dshwa

      The vast majority of those gun humpers who don’t want any legislation are hard core conservatives who still love Trump and are never voting for democrats no matter what. We don’t need them to win, and it’s time to stop pretending otherwise.

      • The Person.

        99% agree with you. However, in college (not all that long ago,) I had a tight group of friends who were diehard lefties, incurable artists (two sculptors, a photographer, a paintress, a mixed media graphic artist, one guy who did likenesses on the street for tips, an aspiring screenwriter, and a handful of other people who drifted in and out.), extreme eccentrics (we as a group made a sculpture of an exhibitionist and placed it in the bushes) who nonetheless were more or less at least somewhat gunhumpish. Not like your typical AR15.com goon, none of us owned or even liked Bushmaster or Armalite style rifles, chewed tobacco, fucked livestock, or drove lifted brotrucks mind you, but we did enjoy wasting precious time, money and decibel perception discharging cordite and making holes in 55 gallon drums and such.
        (see what i mean too many boozes. Don’t wknow why Im telling this story.)

        • Tj McGee Wright

          I have no idea where that story was going, but enjoyed it anyway.

        • Lily412

          Do you live in the south? I’ve also had otherwise rational friends lose their shit when the discussion of increased gun regulation came up. One (former) friend went so far as to admit that it’s the only issue that he cares about and votes on.

      • Tj McGee Wright

        Right? And even with launched Dems Hug A Gun Day, just especial to win their beautiful moonshine snowflake hearts, they’d still be sads for death panels, blacks and bitches, AND HOW DARE Y’ALL TRY GIVE THEM HEALTHCARE HELP.

      • Maybe

        A lot of them are people who make a lot of money from the gun industry.

        They then brainwash others.

    • phoenix00

      But they’re not banning pea-shooters. If you’re seriously calling an AR-15 a “pea-shooter” then I’ve got a Browning .50-cal I’d like to sell you.

    • Jennaratrix

      I’m sorry, hold off on potentially preventing the murder of hundreds or even thousands of people – KIDS FOR FUCK’S SAKE – for political reasons? No. No no no no no.

      Look. Sometimes shit needs to get done, and this is one of those things. If it’s an election buzzkill, then someone is going to have to take a fucking political hit for it. There are people in the past who have done viciously unpopular but RIGHT things and been voted out of office because of it; and they knew it was going to happen, but fell on their goddamn swords because it was the right thing to do. That bullshit you just spewed above is EXACTLY the problem (well, one of the problems) with our political discourse right now – people who are in power are so desperate to stay there that they aren’t doing the job that comes along with that power. NO ONE ever said the being in government was easy, and NO ONE should be weighing what’s best for their political career over what’s best for their constituents. That’s what got us here.

      Gun control needs to happen. That’s it. There’s no argument I’m willing to listen to against it. And one of the worst ones I’ve heard is that it can’t happen now (which always turns into ever) because it might mean someone loses a motherfucking ELECTION over it. And also too, the single-issue-voter who doesn’t support not killing first graders isn’t voting for any kind of progressive platform anyway and fuck them because catering to that crowd and trying to unite assholes with the rest of us is ANOTHER thing that got us here.

      • Maybe

        I agree that gun safety needs to happen, but it’s not going to happen instantly.

        The good news is that change can happen surprisingly fast once the public gets used to the idea. MADD has changed the public’s attitude about drunk driving. LGBT rights, including marriage, spread way faster than I would have though possible. And the ACA became surprisingly popular after the Repubs tried to kill it.

        The Dems need to build on this message. But before they can change laws, they have to get the public behind the idea.

        • Jennaratrix

          Agreed. But my point, which was lost in my mad rant, was that the public IS largely behind common sense gun laws. It’s wimpy congresstypes that won’t drop the hammer for reasons.

          Okay, so that point wasn’t anywhere in my rant. It was in my head, I just didn’t get it in there. And also too I think one of the problems is that people get discouraged and angry when things don’t happen as quickly as they’d like; we have to manage expectations while keeping momentum up. It’s a tough balance, and gets harder with the “this is not the time” arguments. It’s never the time. Sometimes you just have to do it anyway.

          • Maybe

            Thanks for the clarification. I agree that congresstypes are wimpy, but I think their bigger motives are money and their own reelection. If we could get the special interest money out of our election system we would see a whole different government even with the same people in it.

            I am old enough to remember the start of the crazy GOP. I even registered briefly as a Repub so I could vote against Reagan in the California primary. It has taken decades since then–and since Nixon’s racist Southern Strategy–go get to where we are now.

            The good news is that things seem to change faster these days. Marriage equality took years, but it still happened incredibly quickly in political terms. There seems to be a surge of holding powerful men responsible for predation against women and children (except in Alabama).

            Maybe the same thing can happen with guns. It seems we must be near a tipping point.

    • Maybe

      I see your point, but if not now, when? This bill isn’t intended to pass. It’s to get the message out.

      And note that while the number of guns in this country is increasing, the number of gun owners is decreasing, so the trend seems to be in the right direction.

    • guest1331now

      The gun-lovers are already alienated. This is (cunning? lame?) political maneuvering to get Republicans on record against the bill — and then to say that specific R candidates ‘support access to weapons for mass killings’. The swingy-vote olks in purple districts (like the Virginia legislative districts that swung from R to D last Tues.). tend to support this kind of bill.

      • guest1331now

        I can hear the commercials — “Don Jones supports the sale of these deadly weapons to mass murderers”.

  • james crubb

    Just keep bringing up Australia to shut dumb fuckers up, our rightwing racist leader of a few years ago got rid of mass death guns, we haven’t had a massacre since.

    • Jeff Chang

      So those shot Monash University are imagining thier wounds?

      • james crubb

        Well one (using pistols) in 20 years is nothing in comparison to the American death fest.

  • The Person.

    The purest irony is that the first serious ‘gun control’ effort (besides the ’34 Firearms Act) was by Republican Ronald Reagan after he was SO TRAUMATIZED by the scawwy Black Panthers legally open-carrying.

  • Heyzeus Ahchay

    I don’t understand: GOP legislators want everyone to have guns, but they won’t allow guns to be brought in to their pro-gun public meetings? Hmm.

    • Tj McGee Wright

      The academic explanation for that is that Yes, Because They Are 100% Full Of Shit.

      • Maybe

        They can’t be. So much of it has been poured out on us.

        • guest1331now

          It’s like Doritos – eat it all, we’ll keep making more.

    • Odd Jørgensen

      They`re not stupid, they know their base is nuts.

  • John Strycharz

    This is a good first step, but has to be followed by national buy back of the grandfathered weapons. Ideally take the funding out of the military budget.

    • Tj McGee Wright

      Yeah. Because the freaks will of bought up another billion worth of these fucking things before this bill even has a chance to be usurped by MiddleClass-Millionaires-Tax-Relief or whatever crap comes next.

  • tehbaddr

    NO FAIR! I want to put the clip in the magazine and go “pew, pew, pew”!!1!111!11111!!!!

    • Odd Jørgensen

      You can go pew pew pew, just not pew pew pew x10 before reloading.

    • KenTFM

      You have to know that a clip and a magazine are the same thing. You CANNOT put one into the other.

  • Tj McGee Wright

    I just don’t think this is trolling gunhumpers hard enough. Ergo I put forward “The Dead Kids Compensation For Your Dumb Obsession Tax Bill” that ads $6.66 dollars American onto the sale of gun things, with the tax helpfully itemized by name on your receipt! The talking points pitch will be “No we leftists don’t want to take your guns away from you. We’re just sick of your manbaby bullshit and want to fuck with you for a change!”

    • Maybe

      Or require gun owners to buy insurance for their toys.

    • Carla Vandermeer

      If they can force women to look at ultra sounds perhaps they could make potential gun buyers look at photos pf dead children?

    • Jeff Chang

      Can we have a tax to go to a house of worship too?

  • Maybe

    The Dems need better messaging. This is a start.

    They can add Medicare for All.

    They also need a better slogan than “Better Deal.” That’s boring.

    How about “Make America Fair Again?”

    • guest1331now

      I like the theft of MAGA I’ve seen — Make America Good Again.

      • Maybe

        Good, but we couldn’t use the initials because people would think we were for Trump.

        “Make America Fair Again” comes out as MAFA, which is almost rude and is the way I feel after a year of Trump.

  • Odd Jørgensen

    How about after enacting a ban on extended clips/magazines and the corresponding death dealing machines, they outlaw the ammunition used in them? New calibers and cartridges would render the old weapons useless, and the ban would become a lot more effective once the shelf life on current stockpiled rounds expire.

    • Jeff Chang

      The rounds used in AR15s can be used for hunting.

      • (((Aron)))

        Not appropriately.

        • Jon

          How is it not appropriate?

          • (((Aron)))

            If you were actually a hunter, you’d understand.

            Poseur.

          • Jon

            I get it now. You’re a Fudd. People are only allowed to hunt with what YOU believe to be appropriate. How about I not tell you how to live your life, and you can do the same.

          • (((Aron)))

            How about you piss off this site, troll, and never return?

          • Jon

            Nah. I think I’ll stay. Your welcome.

          • doktorzoom

            Hey, guess who decides whether you stay? Hint: It isn’t you! You see, as the operators of this here website, Wonkette decides on its content, as the First Amendment guarantees. Freedom of the press and all that. And you’re not welcome at this establishment. Bye, Felicia.

            — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

    • Jon

      I own AR platform rifles in 5 different calibers. Each serves its own unique purpose. They are suited to long range hunting, shorter small game hunting, and others for self defense. Outlaw my calibers, I’ll just buy new barrels in the new calibers. Idiot.

      • Odd Jørgensen

        The point is to render those idjit oversized mags and clips useless, genius. You can still have your beloved pew pew stick, you`ll just have to reload now and then.

        • Jon

          LOL…you show your ignorance of firearms. All AR15 platform calibers use the same magazines…the same STANDARD 30rd mags. Any new calibers would too. In fact, I think a new caliber comes out every year.

          I have .22lr, 5.56x45mm, 7.62x35mm, and .450 just in the AR15 platform. And that doesn’t include the 10 other calibers I don’t own. Even more on the AR10 platform or in the AR carbine flavors of 9mm, .40, & .45.

          Good thing is, this intellectual exercise is only a pipe dream for you, because banning semi-auto rifles ain’t ever gonna happen. Cheers! So you can continue to whine with your ignorance while I pontificate on my freedom.

          P.S. Ammunition does not have a shelf life. It does not expire. Keep it dry and it will last forever.

          • Odd Jørgensen

            What part of new cartridges and rounds to make current mags useless is hard to grasp for you? Are you saying it`s unpossible to make ammunition that does not fit current pew pew sticks and accessories?

          • (((Aron)))

            That would be .300 Blackout. No one calls it 7.62×35, poser.

          • Jon

            Define poser. If you mean former USMC infantry that owns two dozen firearms, one of which happens to be a suppressed 300BLK, then I guess you pegged me. I used metric to help the unintiated layman in the comments section have context.

          • (((Aron)))

            Found the Internet Tough Guy!

          • Jon

            Is that some sort of reverse ad hominem?

          • (((Aron)))

            Nope. That is mocking you.

          • Jon

            Kinda what I meant. I guess you didn’t have a dictionary handy.

          • (((Aron)))

            (Also, if your suppressed .300 is supposed to impress me, try again. I compete in subgun matches with both slow fire MAC-10 and Swedish K.)

          • Jon

            I just listed my credentials to lend weight to my opinion. You are the one that turned it into a pissing match.

          • (((Aron)))

            No, you attempted to impress me.

            I am not impressed.

          • Jon

            You’re entitled to feel however you like. It is only my goal to educate the uninformed. My comments are rarely directed at a person, much less some random internet troll. Rather, my comments are intended to be seen by anyone in the comment section with the hope that maybe one or two people may see the light. Cheers!

      • (((Aron)))

        Unless you are varminting, the AR is exactly the WRONG platform for hunting.

        Idiot.

        • Jon

          Why? My .450BM on the AR platform has the ballistics of a 12ga, except it can be used with optics and has an effective range of 250m. My .308WIN and 300BLK are both well suited for deer and elk. 6.5 & 6.8mm are also excellent deer harvesters. You really have no idea what you are talking about.

          • (((Aron)))

            If you need more than two shots to harvest deer or elk, you shouldn’t be hunting.

          • Jon

            One shot, one kill. Guess how many times my AR fires when I pull the trigger once. Just because my car will go 160mph doesn’t mean it MUST go 160mph. Mostly it hovers around 45-75mph…but the horsepower is there if I need it.

          • (((Aron)))

            Not my fault that you don’t get it.

          • Jon

            Oh I get it. You just do get that I get it.

          • (((Aron)))

            Come back when you’re hunting with a Ruger no 1, then we can talk.

  • Cody Hensyel

    Thank god this bill got defeated, now I can use the tears of you whiney gun grabbers to lube up my rifle nice and good! Unconstitional laws are NOT laws you idiots.

    • (((Aron)))

      You do know that salt water corrodes steel, right?

      Idiot.

      • Pisto75666

        You didn’t say there’d be (SCIENCE!)

        • (((Aron)))

          ONOEZ, NOT SCIENCE!!!

          • Pisto75666

            To be honest, my comment works much better when you have Thomas Dolby’s “She Blinded Me With Science” in your head (because why not?)

          • (((Aron)))

            That song tends to improve most things in life.

      • Princess Erika the Radiant

        he must believe that “RAISE THE TITANIC” is a documentary!

      • “SALT WATER CAN’T MELT STEEL BEAMS!!!”

    • Granny Sprinkles

      Tears are highly saline which could cause metal to corrode, and I’m pretty sure their effectiveness as a lubricant is limited. You may want to stick to plain ole gun oil.

    • doktorzoom

      What interesting timing! Did you know that the Supreme Court has, for the second time since DC v Heller, decided to let a state ban on assault-style rifles remain in place? You see, the 2nd amendment is subject to limits, just like all the other amendments, Sunshine.

      I’m particularly fond of the First Amendment and freedom of the press, which allows publishers to decide who’s welcome and who isn’t on their websites. Bye, sugarlumps.

      — Dok Zoom, Yr Friendly Neighborhood Comments Moderator

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