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Speaking at a press conference in South Korea, Donald Trump proclaimed that if America had tougher gun laws — of any kind, apparently — then Sunday’s massacre in Sutherland Springs, Texas, would have claimed “hundreds more” victims, because Donald Trump is a complete fucking idiot. Trump’s expert opinion on mass shootings came as the Air Force acknowledged it had failed to place the name of the shooter, Devin Kelley, in the national crime database that would have prevented him from buying a gun after his court-martial on domestic violence charges. So far, no one from the Air Force has thanked Donald Trump for explaining that oversight wouldn’t have made a difference.

Trump was asked whether he thought purchases of firearms should be subjected to “extreme vetting,” and the reporter’s theft of his Very Smart language on screening refugees left Trump appearing “irritated,” according to WaPo. He initially said such a question was simply inappropriate “in the heart of South Korea.” Maybe that’s because South Korea has such strict laws on gun ownership that hunting rifles must be stored at a police station when not in use, and the country’s rates of gun ownership and gun deaths are among the world’s lowest. Or maybe Trump was talking out his ass, because why would being in South Korea change that?

Trump then went on to reply to the question anyway, even in the heart of South Korea, saying “if we did what you are suggesting it would have made no difference three days ago.” Trump referred to the fact that, after the shooter had killed 26 and wounded over 20 in the church, another man, Stephen Willeford, got his own gun, and after a brief shootout with Kelley, chased him in his truck. It appears Kelley shot himself to death, but Willeford is being praised by local law enforcement as a hero for interrupting the attack on the church. Trump took that a little farther, saying Willeford had been able to “neutralize” the shooter because he had his own gun:

Trump referred to Willeford as a “brave man” and said “if he had not had a gun, instead of having 26 dead, you would have had hundreds more dead… It’s not going to help.”

Trump also ticked off the mandatory “Wuddabout CHICAGO, huh?” item on the rightwing Can’t Talk About Guns Yet Checklist:

“Look at the city with the strongest gun laws our in our nation — Chicago,” Trump replied. “Chicago is a disaster, a total disaster. If this man did not have a gun or rifle it would have been a much worse situation in the great state of Texas.”

Say, what ABOUT Chicago? As Andy Richter gunsplains on Twitter, Chicago is surrounded by states with very lax gun laws, which is where its illegal guns are coming from, and the problem is made worse because the NRA makes it very difficult for the feds to track illegal gun sales. Massachusetts, which has tough gun laws and is surrounded by states with tough gun laws, has the nation’s lowest gun death rate. Oh, but there’s more:

So please shut the fuck up about Chicago, OK?

Even if we had stricter background checks, a ban on semiautomatic assault-style rifles, or limits on magazine size (police found 15 30-round magazines at the church), none of those measures would have prevented a law-abiding gun owner from exchanging fire with Kelley — and at least two of them would have forced Kelley to use a less efficient death machine.

Speaking of gun safety laws, Kelley shouldn’t have had a gun at all: His record of extreme domestic violence should have prevented him from purchasing a firearm, but the Air Force says it failed to notify the FBI of his conviction in 2014. Kelley spent a year in prison and was given a bad conduct discharge after being convicted of two counts of domestic abuse against his wife and infant stepson, whose skull he fractured.

Unfortunately, that information never made it into the National Criminal Information Center database, which is used for background checks by federally licensed gun dealers. Oopsies. An Air Force spokesperson, Ann Stefanek, said the Air Force has launched an investigation into how that happened, and into “relevant policies and procedures,” like maybe how many other serious crimes resulting in courts martial have failed to make it into the NCIC.

The dealer that sold Kelley his guns — at two locations — said he’d passed the background checks when he purchased weapons this year and in 2016, although WaPo scrupulously notes it “remains unclear whether those were the same weapons used in Sunday’s massacre.” Military courts also don’t use the categories of “felony” or “misdemeanor,” but Kelley’s conviction was the equivalent of a felony in a civilian court, and presumably that would have prevented him from buying a gun or body armor had the information actually made it into the NCIC. To complicate matters, according to Geoffrey Corn, a former Army lawyer who’s now a professor at the South Texas College of Law in Houston, the entire military appears to be confused about which crimes must be reported to the FBI. He said the military sometimes only reports violent crimes when they result in a dishonorable discharge, which is a harsher degree of punishment than Kelley’s bad conduct discharge, although the actual crime of domestic violence was equivalent to a felony.

“Either the Department of Defense is reporting these convictions, or they’re not,” Corn said. “How is the federal statute going to be effectively implemented if they aren’t reporting these convictions?”

The government’s instant background check system flags between one and two percent of firearms purchasers because they’re ineligible due to felony convictions or other disqualifying information, although that system isn’t perfect — a backlog in processing federal background checks allowed the Charleston church shooter to purchase a handgun in 2015.

It’s also worth noting that in 2013, Congress, a wholly owned subsidiary of the NRA, wussed out on closing the gun show loophole following Sandy Hook. As a result, even if Kelley’s conviction had been listed in the background check system and he’d been denied a gun at a licensed dealer, he could still have been able to buy guns at a gun show without a background check. Close that loophole, and another opportunity for a violent domestic abuser to get a gun would be prevented.

Gosh, it almost seems like Donald Trump is full of shit when he says more careful vetting of gun sales wouldn’t have made a difference. Had the Air Force properly reported Kelley’s crimes, he wouldn’t have had his gun in the first place. And if we didn’t allow huge magazines, he would have had much more trouble killing as many people so quickly.

But the system has holes in it, so obviously gun laws don’t work at all. May as well just let the mass shootings continue and hope someone else with a gun shows up to stop them after the first couple dozen victims.

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  • MynameisBlarney

    Cats will cuddle with anything.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    You know, I, along with what obviously is the GOP’s opinion on this subject, also think that the Earth’s human population has grown too large. But unlike them, I really don’t like the NRA’s solution to this problem.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Hundreds more dead? How many people were in that church?

    • Oblios_Cap

      They would have had to rent a couple of buses so that they could all go meet Jesus!

  • Scooby

    I say it after every mass shooting, but, if shooting 20 innocent children in thier classroom didn’t result in any action neither will this.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      The actual House Majority Whip Steve Scalise was literally shot and it changed nothing. Me and the missus were discussing this last night. If only everybody was shot, maybe, just maybe we could have a discussion about gun control.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        He got majority-whipped?

    • TakingAmes

      I’m with you. We’ve decided, in this country, that guns are more important than life itself. If the first-graders didn’t make a dent, nothing will.

  • ArgieBargie

    “if he had not had a gun, instead of having 26 dead, you would have had hundreds more dead… It’s not going to help.”

    Sutherland Springs, TX. Population: 600

    A year later, I still don’t understand how the fuck we managed to elect the stupidest motherfucker in the history of American politics.

  • Picabo
    • Yellerduck

      Well, maybe Rylan should have been packing.

      • ArgieBargie

        “Sorry we didn’t send you thoughts and prayers sooner, kid!”

        As the father of 6 year-old myself, I’m snaking because I’m trying to cry.

        • Yellerduck

          Yes. I have one that’s seven. The look on Rylan’s face is so typical of a kid that age who’s just enjoying life and looking forward to that day’s adventure.

    • CutterTeam

      This kid is out of the womb, so they’re under no obligation to care.

  • Oblios_Cap

    The Heart of Darkness is in the Heart of South Korea. The Horror. The Horror.

    • PubOption

      There is no progress on gun control, it will not even Inch on.

      • TakingAmes

        Do these people have no Seoul?!?!

        • Oblios_Cap

          Like today’s music. That’s why I like that old time wok and roll.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Seoul of Darkness.

  • MynameisBlarney
    • Zonath

      If prayer works, he’d better worry, because I’m praying like fuck against him and his brainless cronies in Congress.

    • Oblios_Cap

      I’ll pray to the FSM to smoother all of those assholes with his noodle-y appendages.

  • memzilla Ω

    So if it’s too soon to talk about the Texas church shootings, can we — after a month — talk about the Las Vegas shootings now?

  • Zonath

    Trump is like the real life embodiment of the corollary to Poe’s Law on any topic he opens his idiot mouth to opine upon. He’s parroting back the same talking points, but he’s so fucking stupid that his ‘facts’ always end up looking like a strawman of those talking points.

  • Picabo
    • Michael Smith

      Why is it that powerful lobbyists seem to be so much more passionate and unified and effective when they are fighting for evil?

      • Oblios_Cap

        Evil pays better.

  • Constant Gardener

    Didn’t the killer leave the church before getting shot? And if the murderer was finished in the church, how did the neighbor, who had to have listened to the report of maybe 400 rounds while waiting outside, “interrupt” anything?

    • Zonath

      Well, he might have driven up the road to Dallas and killed all 1.3 million people there.

    • OutOfOrbit

      helpful neighbor ambushed shooter from a safe concealment

    • jesterpunk

      They claim he could have left and went and killed all the people in another small town if the other people didnt chase him and he didnt shoot himself.

      • Constant Gardener

        Oh. Of course. Has anyone asked them if there some evidence of this plan?

        I’m about to go ride up South Mountain. If, on the way down, I get a thorn in a tire, did the thorn keep me from riding up all the mountains around Phoenix? I guess if the thorn belongs to the NRA that’s that what it’ll tell it’s friends.

      • Bad Tom

        And if he hadn’t run out of ammo for the AR.

  • chazmanr

    Yes, STFU about Chicago. You can take a train from some of the most violent neighborhoods of Chicago to Gary in about 35 minutes.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      I’m sure there are always running firefights with totally legal and OK AK-47s between MI-12 and MI-13 the whole way. That is what they’re called, right?

  • Msgr_MΩment

    Donald Trump Says More Stupid Shit About Guns

    You had me at Donald Trump Says More Stupid Shit.

    • Oblios_Cap

      I confess myself unsurprised.

  • jesterpunk

    I stole this from someone on here last night.

    https://twitter.com/timothycsimons/status/927361223452123136

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Well, Trump did call the firsts responders response to the Vegas shooting as quote unquote “a miracle”.

      So… yeah…

  • Ghenghis McCann

    ‘He shouldn’t have had those guns, so he was a criminal. If we restrict gun ownership then only criminals have guns.’ Has anybody used that logic yet?

  • Michael Smith

    But if bad guys aren’t able to get their hands on assault weapons, how are good guys with guns ever supposed to distinguish themselves as American Heroes?

    Not saying that the guy who apparently put a stop to the church shooting has that mentality, but I think some people out there fantasize about being in that position.

    • Eo Raptor

      You must not have seen all his neck tattoos. Oh, and the little smile on his face as he recounted chasing the perp at great personal peril.

  • Wild Cat

    Next thing you know this will be so controversial the unthinkable will happen—peaceable Christians will burn other peaceable Christians at the stake.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Or start wars with each other. Unthinkable!

      • Wild Cat

        False history books show fake stories of Catholics in France fighting Catholics in Spain and Protestants in Britain fighting Protestants in America!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Unprecedented!

  • Mr. Blobfish

    The stars at night
    Are big and bright
    Deep inna heart of South Korea

    • Wild Cat

      The kimchee tastes
      Like human waste
      Deep inna heart of South Korea

      • Villago Delenda Est

        I was so hoping the Koreans were going to slip him some kagogi, but, unfortunately, none of that at the mess hall. Just terribly over-well done steak, with ketchup.

        • Wild Cat

          I was hoping he’d accidentally fry his face on a bulogoki grill.

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          At least it wasn’t the fanciest Dijon ketchup. That’s only for communist traitor cucks like Obama.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Well ain’t this a kick in the teeth?
    https://twitter.com/michaelluo/status/927653605473124352

    • MynameisBlarney

      Well, that is quite interesting, innit?

      I wonder why the fuck they aren’t reporting those fuckers?

      • Wild Cat

        I guess when only three competent people exist in a military that is both stretched thin by wars of choice and full-up with ignorant neo-nazis, standards diminish a bit.

        We may have to hire people from overseas to do clerical work in our military.

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          I don’t think the polite Canadians will want to get their skulls crushed by the neo-Nazis who hate “cucks”.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        That’s a rhetorical question, right?

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Someone at DoD needs to get off their ass and do something (!) about this.

      Oh, wait, Donald hasn’t bothered to appoint a shitload of undersecretaries.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        You don’t want him to appoint “under secretaries”…

  • ez
  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste
    • Villago Delenda Est

      “Pronoun trouble.”

  • Baconzgood

    It’s too soon to talk about gun laws. We should be busy saying things about “thoughts and paryers” for the victims.

  • Crystalclear12

    Republican regulation check list:
    Woman’s vagina- needs to be heavily regulated
    Man’s pensis substitute and preferred method of mass murder: the government needs to stay out of people’s personal affairs.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson
    • Mr. Blobfish

      It’s one-stop shopping.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Four utter morans on one screen at one time.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Doesn’t really matter. That’s not where God does the ‘sorting out’.

      • Sophia

        I think the “Shoot ’em all and let God sort it out” was on a t-shirt and not in the bible as they seem to believe.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      Fucking morons?

  • BoatOfVelociraptors

    Chicago resident here. If you go to super south Chicago, Gary is literally across the street. I can see it whenever I go to the lake.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Gary Indiana is a really great guy doing tremendous things, let me tell you. People are going to be talking about him more and more, believe me.

    • Covfefe

      Are not Gary that’s literally across the street, it’s Hammond.

  • Michael Smith

    I felt like he meant that he doesn’t want to answer questions about America when he’s outside the country, which maybe was one of the reasons he made this trip.

    He does not understand how things work.

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      That last sentence is evergreen.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
  • Put On Your War Paint!

    OK, so let’s say Yr Anna Elizabeth was to win the Lotto and order the tank of her dreams, a T-55 AM2 of the former Nazional Volksarmee, she could, as long as it is licensed, and the 100mm cannon de-miitarized.

    So obviously there are already agreements that the “Right to Bear Arms” has rational limits, a tank with a cannon is certainly an “arm”. So why can’t we have a discussion about further limits on military weapons owned by civilians?

    • jesterpunk
      • Ghenghis McCann

        That comes as no surprise,

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Forget it, Jake. It’s Texas.

    • Ghenghis McCann

      On the plus side, you’ll never need to look for a parking space. Just crush whatever vehicle is already there. ‘Might makes right,’

      • Put On Your War Paint!

        Yiss!

    • Covfefe

      When tanks are outlawed, only outlaws will have tanks. Sides, Anna Elizabeth is gone.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Amazing job, and amazing job. So amazing that we’re ordering hundreds of millions of dollars of new airplanes for the Air Force, especially the F-35. Do you like the F-35? I said how does it do it in fights, and how do they do in fights with the F-35. He says we do very well, you can’t see it. Literally you can’t see. It’s hard to fight a plane you can’t see right? But that’s an expensive plane you can’t see. And as you probably heard we cut the price very substantially, something other administrations would never have done, that I can tell you.

    From now on, I’m flying to church in my F-35.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Sorry, can’t. In the shop for flap maintenance.

    • Joe Beese
      • Msgr_MΩment

        Pro tip: NEVER use the restroom on the Invisible Plane.

    • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

      Sweet christ he actually thinks it’s invisible.

      I have no snark to add, this has overloaded my snark capacitors.

      • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

        I’m fairly certain the Air Force showed him an empty hanger and said, “There it is, Mr. President: the F-35!”

    • P’jama Pahnts

      It’s very thoughtful of him to point out regularly all the wonderful things he does that those loser other presidents didn’t do.

    • Doug Langley

      “You’ll love this F-35. It was last owned by a little old lady who only used it to fly to church on Sunday.”

    • Covfefe

      Nolan Ryan: “You can hit what you can’t see.”

  • Villago Delenda Est

    “Donald Trump says more stupid shit about guns.”

    So, like a day ending in Y?

  • Ricky Gay

    If only there was a safe and reliable way for doctors to use guns in the abortion procedure. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/750795b9fb3ceb7aeadb483d0cd5f69c11a59f2c6499ed1925a2b77959ccb2d5.png

    • Doug Langley

      You know what they say. The only way to stop a bad fetus with a gun . ..

      • Ricky Gay

        Replace the IUD with an IED?

  • Zonath

    So if Paul Ryan believes that thoughts and prayers work, I’m sure he’ll support the Capitol Police changing their response protocol to any kind of incident at the US Capitol to simply holding a moment of silence, sending thoughts and prayers, and then shrugging their shoulders and going home. After all, Congress deserves the same level of protection they’re guaranteeing to the rest of the American populace.

  • calliecallie

    How many times must a cannonball fly, before they’re forever banned?
    The answer is blowing in the wind.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWwgrjjIMXA

  • Gee, Your Hair Smells Horrific

    “Why would anyone need an assault rifle in the first place? It’s not like you can go deer hunt—”
    “IT WASN’T AN ASSAULT RIFLE, IDIOT. THEREFORE YOUR POINTS ARE INVALID AND THIS ARGUMENT IS OVER.”

  • Bad Tom

    AT LEAST the orange cat does not know it is lovingly clutching a thing designed only to kill human beings.

    Wait.
    It is a CAT. I hope it never learns marksmanship.

  • Crystalclear12

    I am guessing part of the reason that the Air Force didn’t report it is because some jackass believed “one small mistake” shouldn’t ruin the guy’s life.

    Could be wrong. . . God, I hope I’m wrong.

    • Ghenghis McCann

      I remember some outrage in Britain, about thirty years ago, when a judge didn’t sentence a rapist to a jail term ‘because it might affect his Army career,’.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    I dunno, a document written by Jesus couldn’t possibly need improvement or modification
    https://twitter.com/KeiferLirette/status/927278475702128640

    • Duke

      Well, guided by the hand of Jesus. Or was Jefferson an angel or something?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Jefferson would be pissed at that suggestion.

      • Covfefe

        Jefferson was so an angel. Of the Lord.

  • weejee
    • Bad Tom

      And their votes have more weight than mere citizens.
      After all, they are backed by the NRA!

    • Ωbjectifier

      Those aren’t bullets, your argument is invalid!!1!!1

  • Stulexington

    “… the entire military appears to be confused about which crimes must be reported to the FBI.” Here’s a thought, how about reporting any and all of them that result in someone getting kicked out.

    • MynameisBlarney

      That’s ENTIRELY too easy!

    • NastyBossetti

      If someone is too dangerous to be allowed to use a weapon in a war zone, maybe we should consider that they’re too dangerous to be allowed to use a gun here at home?

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Seems to be a fairly reasonable rule of thumb.

        PRW sez: “You can’t fight here! This is the war room!”

    • notaten

      They kick a lot of people out for smoking pot, usually with an other than honorable discharge.

      • Arolpin

        At least when I was in the Navy it was generally a General discharge, and you could petition to have to upgraded to Honorable after a year. Unless you pissed off your command by passing piss tests when they had you dead to rights (happened to someone I know, was ‘informed’ on by a USO volunteer, forced to produce a sample immediately, came back clean (must have been an error), then they got him 3 months later and forced him to extend his enlistment to match his brig sentence and gave him an OTH.)

        • notaten

          Oh, right, usually was a general discharge. But I don’t know of any that successfully upgraded to honorable.

        • Covfefe

          This is something a lot of people don’t understand. If you claim you’re innocent, you’re claiming you’re smarter than your superiors, or the cops. This is often more serious than what you’ve been charged with. Better to go with the flow.

      • Stulexington

        I understand that it will end up giving them more information than they need but I’d rather the military err on the side of caution here. I’m sure the FBI will go “that’s nice” and move on to the next line item: guy who was discharged for domestic violence but not dishonourably so.

        • notaten

          Are they really going to parse it that closely though? It would be fine with me if they said, no, prove that you are responsible enough to own a gun, which should be the law of the land in my opinion, but to a lot of the law enforcement world, smoking weed is way worse than beating your wife.

  • jesuswasablack

    “if he had not had a gun, instead of having 26 dead, you would have had hundreds more dead… It’s not going to help.”

    But what if the shooter didn’t have a gun, how many whould have died? I’m confused again?
    https://media.giphy.com/media/12Kbpf9xCbQcjC/giphy.gif

    • P’jama Pahnts

      They wood just use a nife!!LIBTARD!!11!

    • Duke

      Read the second half of the Second Amendment.

      What I’m waiting for is how this’d be stopped of good guys had fully automatic weapons.

  • MynameisBlarney

    I swear ta goawd, these fucking gunts are not only annoying as fuck, they’re moar stupider than a sack o’ hammers.

    http://cheezburger.com/8749648384/if-you-want-to-live-in-a-nation-with-less-freedom-move-to-one#comments

  • puredog

    “Military courts also don’t use the
    categories of “felony” or “misdemeanor,” but Kelley’s conviction was the
    equivalent of a felony in a civilian court, and presumably that would
    have prevented him from buying a gun or body armor had the information
    actually made it into the NCIC.”
    Under federal law, if the conviction is for domestic violence, even a misdemeanor will do. Generally, though, it does take a felony to disqualify one from gun ownership.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      A BCD is an indicator of just how bad the dude was.

      • Bad Tom

        He cracked his baby’s skull, according to this morning’s Boston Globe.

  • ken_kukec

    Maybe Andy Richter should’ve given Trump a trigger warning before breaking the news about Hawaii being surrounded by ocean. A big, big beautiful ocean. You can’t drive there, Not many people know that.

    • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

      Dampnut also believes that Hawaii is part of Kenya, so he wouldn’t give a shit anyway.

      • Old town Urbandale

        Hawaii’s not in Africa? Hmph, learn something new every day.

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          And here I thought it was located right next to Nambia.

  • elviouslyqueer

    It really is a toss up, between Trump and Ken Fucking Paxton, who I despise more in this whole shitshow. I mean, Trump is just a mean-spirited stupid fucking asshole who has literally no redeeming qualities other than the fact that he will eventually shuffle off this mortal coil and be consigned to being buttsecked for eternity by a horde of pitchfork-wielding demons.

    But then again, Ken Paxton is prima facie evidence of somebody whose dick desperately needs to be acquainted with a wood chipper (of votes, obligatorily).

    • Msgr_MΩment

      An unlubed woodchipper.

      • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

        Not to put too fine a point on it.

      • Erala Contratista

        With dull/nicked blades….

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Time for a ‘why not both?’

    • P’jama Pahnts

      Your assessment of Trump is too kind. Remember, he somehow managed to make W. look good.

  • 🍁 Treg Brown 🍁

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b588e1cb0a43f4411e1e623eca33c508341cc6c604f6371dae10bfe3453b9a4a.gif
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c43e7a56bfe3d7c8a101b5285d0124bdc660aa2760ec6fa00bd3aaf253f2b14b.gif
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e37099d7e1fa58e84e8ae95d23a9cdf223b309ec0255a8f98228c5a99a9ab914.gif

    Here’s presidential candidate and extreme reproductive rights opponent Rand Paul, mansplaining to a female reporter. Thoughts and prayers go out to him after his recent beating, with hope he’s not experiencing too much pain.

    • Ωbjectifier

      Broken ribs? This calls for a trans-anal ultrasound I think.

    • Resistor Radio

      Well I’m choosing to have nice(ish) thoughts about Rand Paul right now, even aside from his injuries, because according to that list that’s going around, he hasn’t taken any NRA money. That’s something.

    • OrG

      Hey rand,why do you worship an atheist?

    • Vincent Ricola

      Anyone who does the shush finger at another adult is an asshole. The shush finger is only for little kids on airplanes or little kids at the movies, otherwise no.

      • notaten

        I do it to my dog, she knows that it means use your inside voice.

    • Doug Langley

      And I’m sure that lady has already sent him a big Get Well card.

    • Oblios_Cap

      I hope he’s no too badly injured, but he can be in as much non-life-threatening pain as his small body and oversized ego can handle.

      • Damian L

        Ya, it would really suck if he fell down the steps and punctured a lung or something.

  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    speaking of stupid – the fight over the “travel ban” has been revived at the 9th Circuit:

    https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/content/view.php?pk_id=0000000892

  • Suttree

    I thought that in Texas you can concealed carry in churches. Maybe there would have been more politeness if everyone was strapped. Also too, I can’t wait to see what caliber of individuals will become church security guards. Probably the guys who couldn’t even get a job at the TSA.

    • Resistor Radio

      I’m telling you, Jesus Marshalls are the answer.

    • cmd resistor

      I read something about how the big/mega churches already do have security guards. Although I bet they are there to protect the big buckets of money.

  • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

    OT: just finished a power point for a bitching out training session I am giving my coworkers on questions you should never ask a student. These include, age, marital status, gender, “do you have kids, how many and what age are your kids”, if you have head trauma, …

    Really. I cannot believe I fucking need to do this.

  • ManchuCandidate

    What happened to personal responsibility? If a bunch of sex fiends used dildos to commit their crimes then these shits would go all ban the dildo and shriek about societal/personal responsibility. But change sex fiend with angry abusive asshole and dildo with assault rifle then it all it’s too soon and thoughts and prayers mumble shit.

    • Zonath

      Well, it’s the dildo manufacturers’ fault for not giving millions to reelection campaigns, obvs.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Big Dildo does not have deep pockets.

    • Vincent Ricola

      You laugh, but Big Dildo has been shadow running this country for decades.

      • Oblios_Cap

        The Man has been sticking it to us, under the table as it were.

    • Carpe Vagenda
    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      I’m going to assume “I sex fiends” was a freudian typo.

      ; p

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻
    • jodyleek

      Totally OT, but speaking of dildos…
      My son who is 12 years old is on the autism spectrum and is also silly smart and knows more than I ever will. He attends an autism group each week and is making friends with an adorable girl who confides in him regularly. The other week she tapped him on the shoulder and whispered, “Do you know what a dildo is?”
      “Yes, Tina (not her real name) I know what a dildo is.”
      “Did you know there are dildos that vibrate?”
      “Yes, Tina, I do know that.”
      “Do you think your mother has one?”
      My son, rather perturbed at this point, answered, “Tina! My mother is 49 years old. She doesn’t do that stuff any more!”

      • NastyBossetti

        That’s funny! I wonder at what age he thinks the cutoff is.

  • Resistor Radio

    The gun show loophole is so fucking stupid. We are so stupid. FUCK.

  • HooverVilles

    Trump using his best words like Trump does.

  • NastyBossetti

    But WHY IS the gun show loophole? Why does it exist?

    • OrG

      $$$$$

      • Villago Delenda Est

        It boils down to this in the final analysis. The NRA has always been a tool of the merchants of death, ever since they saw good times end when peace broke out in 1865.

    • Toledo Window Box

      To sell more guns, silly.

      • NastyBossetti

        Maybe what I really mean to ask is how did it come to exist. But I can google that myself.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Gun shows have existed for a very long time, but 60 years ago when I was a child, they were low-key events that attracted mostly gun collectors. My father would go to them and trade one collectible gun for another, and a little money would change hands. The NRA changed all that in the 80’s. Now a LOT of money changes hands.

    • Old town Urbandale

      Because freedumb.

    • doktorzoom

      The Brady Law, which set up the background check system, didn’t address sales at gun shows, which then became extremely popular places to sell secondhand firearms outside the network of federally-licensed dealers.

      • NastyBossetti

        Oh, right. It’s because the law doesn’t regulate private, unlicensed sellers. That’s cool and totally makes a lot of sense!

        • YoBunnyBunny

          Why not? What could possibly go wrong with that?

          • Old town Urbandale

            IK,R? I’m sure there are zero illegal marijuana sales in the states that have legalized recreational pot.

        • doktorzoom

          Bingo! As Jeff Goldblum never said, “Guns– …find a way”

          • shastakoala

            How Jurassic of you.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    So my relationship with Shinzo got off to quite a rocky start because I never ran for office, and here I am. But I never ran, so I wasn’t very experienced. And after I had won, everybody was calling me from all over the world. I never knew we had so many countries.

    Trump says more stupid shit about everything.

    • Parakeetist

      I knew how many countries there were by looking at a globe in grade school.

      • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

        Elitist!

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Me too. But they kept changing the names and colors, it got very confusing. First it was The Kongo, then the Belgian Free State, then the Belgian Congo, then Republic of the Congo, then Zaire, then the Democratic Republic of Congo. In the interests of school children everywhere, I would like to see the U.N. declare a 20-year moratorium on changes to the names of countries.

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          Right after America gets taken over by our northern overlords and we have our name changed to Lesser Canada.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            I can accept that. I like the Canadian flag – the only national flag with a leaf on it. Leaves are good – they convert sunlight, water and carbon dioxide into oxygen, and provide food for many different life forms. Leaves don’t get enough credit.

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      So does Abe.

      But Donald and I are not the first to promote this unique golf diplomacy.

      So, if I were president and I don’t play golf, no diplomacy?

      And I’m looking at you, Obama. What the fuck is so fucking important about men playing golf?

      And Shinzo, if you aren’t the first, it’s not unique.

  • Dudleydidwrong

    Christian pastor says Texas Baptist church shooting is proof that God answers prayer.”
    http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/06/saints-first-baptist-church-murdered-god-answering-prayers

    Oh, my.

    • OrG

      ALL prayers are answered. Usually the answer is HELL NO.

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      oh god do I hate federalist stories, they are so ridiculous.

      Also, only SUICIDAL people were praying to die that day.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Apparently he only answers the ones that involve violence and death.

    • jodyleek

      This is a quote from the article: “However, we should all recognize that pointing to a couple dozen warm corpses and saying, “Fat lot of good your Jebus-begging did you” is an act of profound ugliness.”
      Profound ugliness. Jesus Christ. This guy has no idea what the fuck “profound ugliness” actually is.
      Profound ugliness is telling people they need to pray more rather than pass sensible gun laws that could protect them from such a massacre in the future. Fucking asshat. I’m really tired of this shit!

      • YoBunnyBunny

        I imagine that if there is a God, he’s totally like…

        “Um… plague, locusts, brimstone fire and floods are MY thing. The shootings are all on y’all.”

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Profound Ugliness is Dotard I’s royal title.

        “Here is your cheeseburger, Your Profound Ugliness.”

      • Dudleydidwrong

        The more I read the horrid rationalizations–actually they are justifications for their political and social views–from people like this “pastor” the more comfort I feel as an atheist.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      This is very close to the Catholic dogma I was taught as a child that said we shouldn’t worry about anything in this life, but only think about the next one, which is one of those things that rich powerful people tell poor powerless people to make them feel better about being poor and powerless and not try to change the status quo.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Also too, that the more you suffer in this life the greater your reward in the next. Fuck that noise.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Oh, yeah, I almost forgot that part. Also the part where every time you suffer, you are removing a thorn from Jesus’ crown, or a sword from the Virgin Mary’s heart. It must have been a sub-atomic particle of thorn and sword, because the pictures of them both in my indoctrination manuals never changed.

      • HooverVilles

        Ding ding ding

      • Dudleydidwrong

        Same for this former mainline Protestant. It’s a theological swamp with no exit: either their god can’t stop such things, or he can but won’t. The afterlife becomes the only possible exit strategy. It’s systematic theology at full bullshit, the attempt to cover up what philosophy refers to as theodicy, which it cannot adequately deal with. Marx was correct in referring to this as the opium of the masses. The “Misery Synod” Lutheran clergyman who wrote the Federalist essay is hooked on it.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          It’s funny how these people only use the “It’s Better In the Afterlife” argument when it serves their purpose. When it doesn’t they use the “You Can Pull Yourself Up By Your Bootstraps” argument. Both arguments are a justification of maintaining the status quo, which is benefiting them.

  • Covfefe

    While Chicago is surrounded by states with very lax gun laws (Indiana), these states have very little impact on Chicago.

    Chicago is surrounded by suburbs (Cicero) that have very lax guns laws. That’s where Chicago’s guns come from.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Cicero! Home of Al Capone!

      • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

        Pop!
        Six!
        Squish!
        Uh-Oh!
        Cicero!
        Lipschitz!

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          Cell Block Tango.

          • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

            He had it coming
            He had it coming
            He only had himself to blame…

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            If You’d have been there,
            If you’d have seen it,
            I bet that you would have done the same.
            My favorite line: “He fell on my knife ten times.”

    • JohnBull

      Cars. How do they work? Someone should tell conservatives.

      • Covfefe

        Don even need a car, you can take a bus to Cicero.

  • Toledo Window Box

    Trump is an idiot. He has not earned the Presidency, and he never will. He STOLE it, and it will be taken from him soon enough, but he never EARNED it.

    • OrG

      He never EARNED anything.

      • Crystalclear12

        That’s not true.
        He has earned my contempt.

        • OrG

          Touche.

        • Erala Contratista

          Beneath mine.

  • Michael Smith

    Here’s some Facebook libertarian logic for you. Speaking of logic, wasn’t there a fallacy called slippery slope?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33013184c08356abbc0b850dc4745c204423774ea98680ce4b343017a3dac920.jpg

    • doktorzoom

      Just look at all the death camps in Australia, for instance.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        OMG, Australia is absolutely terrible with those death camps — I just read that a court in Papua New Guinea barred bringing in food and water to the prisoners (and to be fair, they really are prisoners) on Manus Island:

        http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/asia/manus-island-png-court-ruling/index.html

        You just know this is what Dotard wants to do with refugees here. Ship them to Puerto Rico and forget about them. Or ship them to Guam and let them get nuked by Kim.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      “One must not let their emotions distort their logic.”

      Spoken like a true sociopath.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Libertarians=”I got mine, fuck you.”

    • MynameisBlarney

      “and politicians don’t let a good tragedy go to waste.”
      Says the fucktard using a tragedy to further his own ridiculous political agenda.

    • NastyBossetti

      One must not let their emotions distort their logic.

      Sort of like the way you’re allowing your fear of having your gun taken away distort your reasoning here?

    • YoBunnyBunny

      “Unfortunately, many times these confiscations ultimately lead to human rights violations committed by those who confiscated them.”

      Pics or didn’t fucking happen… because you know IT DIDN’T FUCKING HAPPEN!!!!

    • Michael Smith

      Strawman, also too: Who said anything about “confiscation,” however he is defining that?

  • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

    Hawaii is surrounded by ocean? Many, many people on all sides are not aware of this! The President of Hawaii should do something about ocean, because it’s very, very big. Vote Andy Richter for President of Hawaii! He’s going to do tremendous things, really, really incredible things, about ocean. Because this is a yuge thing, believe me. Ocean.

  • george lastrapes

    If ammunition makers would mix thoughts and prayers into the gunpowder, those thoughts and prayers would be there when and where they are needed most- and with the thoughts and prayers already taken care of, there would be time for a rational conversation about guns.

  • CutterTeam

    Unless we start referring to these gun massacres as late-term abortions, I don’t see much help coming from the GOP.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      The correct wording would be “post-term” abortions. But I agree with you anyway.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    Every fucking thing that comes out of the sphincter like orifice under his nose is stupid. Every fucking thing. I have NEVER heard him say anything that could be considered thoughtful, intelligent or remotely insightful. Not once.

    • You give Trump too much credit.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        I give him absolutely NO credit. I learned from his bankers.

    • jesuswasablack
      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        Yeah, that’s about it.

      • BearLeft

        So gross, but so compelling …

  • Joe Beese

    From our friends at RedState:

    A familiar feeling of sadness and helplessness accompanies each mass shooting in America, as suggestions about how to address the problem are bandied about anew in spite of the truth people don’t like to reveal: no one has the answers.

    https://www.redstate.com/slee/2017/11/07/ted-cruz-obama-administration-failed-prosecute-lies-gun-background-check-forms/

    • OrG

      I have the answer.

    • TootsStansbury

      Lots of people have answers. You assholes won’t listen to any of them.

  • jesuswasablack

    If only this little girl had been in church that day, who knows how many souls could have been saved?

    http://images.entertainment.ie/images_content/rectangle/620×372/child-with-machine-gun.jpg

  • Angela Ruzzo

    Someone like Mr. Willeford could very well be a responsible gun owner who would still own a gun, and still be able to protect other citizens, regardless of whether tighter gun controls are implemented so as to keep them out of the hands of irresponsible gun owners. Nobody ever mentions this…

  • janecita

    OT, VA and NJ go VOTE!

    • WeaselPoo

      I voted. Murphy for NJ Gov, Fulop JC Mayor, Dems and progressives for the local boards etc. Glad to see the last of Christie’s lazy self serving ass.
      A lot of big biz activity in JC now but Fulop’s been pretty good in not just rolling over for corporate interests at the total expense of existing community.

  • Blackest Noobs

    how about just limiting the kind of firearm you may purchase….for instance make it a pain in the ass, i.e. tons of background checks and etc when you want to buy a rifle or pistol with a high capacity magazine.

    but if you just want a breach loading weapon, just fewer hoops to jump through. a breach loaded weapon is still good enough for hunting or self defense. you don’t need an arsenal and if you do, you have to prove reasons why you do. if not valid, sorry no AR-15 for you.

    statistically speaking if you the gun owner were in a gun battle, which does not happen often, but if it did, statistically it is over after five shots. you do not need a pistol that carry 15 rounds nor a rifle that carry 30-50 rounds. and you seriously do not need a 100 round drum. you need to enlist if you want one of those…

    • Dept. of Space Tacos
      • YoBunnyBunny

        …birth control/plan B pills… an abortion… a vote for a Democratic candidate… a change to your Comcast bill

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Ha! Comcast? Just tell them you want more features, and watch all the buck-passing and stonewalling magically melt away!

        • Dept. of Space Tacos

          ugh, getting “courtesy overdraft protection” off your bank account.

          Just did it for I think the 3rd time in the last year alone!

      • Ghenghis McCann

        ‘If you’ve got a gun, no need to go through the expense of a divorce.’ (Rejected NRA commercial)

      • Zonath

        Yeah, but if you get a driver’s license or passport, you might vote for candidates who might hurt all the precious guns!

    • TootsStansbury

      Hi BN. I just got back from voting for all the Democrats in VA.

      • Blackest Noobs

        do you know which number voter you were? i was number 38 ( 38th person to vote there)

        just curious to seem how many have voted yet.

        • TootsStansbury

          I don’t but it was steady to increasing traffic.

          • Blackest Noobs

            oooh that’s a good sign. we went super early and was in and out.

        • Bobathonic

          Fredburg ward 3, #141 around 8:10

          Place was very busy. More candidate reps and voters.

    • shivaskeeper

      A couple of things. Buying a gun with a magazine does not mean it is high capacity. Especially with after market products. A standard 1911 .45cal has a 7-8 round mag depending on the manufacturer. You could by a 50 round mag if you wanted for it.

      The hoops to jump through would be fine by me, but they need to be universal. Gun shops, private sales, gun shows and everything else. They need to apply to all sales.

      As for anything over a standard 30 round mag for the military. in 23 years I never saw a 100 round drum or even anything over 30 rounds issued. Anything over 30 has a tendency to jam so any decent leader will make sure that even if the troops buy their own civilian gear they don;t even try to use it.

      • Blackest Noobs

        anything more than two rounds is high capacity in my opinion…be it your .45 with 7 or 10 rounds….too many bullets…and totally unnecessary.

        • shivaskeeper

          Ok.

        • BigCSouthside

          Here’s something to consider: by far the most high volume shooting ever in any civilian application aside from just cooking off rounds for shits is waterfowl hunting or crow hunting.

          Almost every state limits you to a 3 shot shotgun

          We already have laws limiting capacity that no one bitches about, but you bring up “hi cap” weapons and everyone shits. Fucking NRA

      • BigCSouthside

        I’m for no detachable mags at all, capacity limited to 6 rounds.

        No one amywhere in the civilian world needs any more than that, and you can still have all kinds of fun with a 6 shot lever action rifle

  • YoBunnyBunny

    I posted this on the Wonkgenda thread, but it bears repeating…

    There is already a link between DOMESTIC ABUSERS and MASS SHOOTERS (i.e. mass shooters often have histories of abusing people).
    https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/1/10/14213164/mass-shooters-gun-violence-domestic-violence

    Yeah, dragging their feet on gun restrictions is just one part of the problem. The other part is dragging their feet on domestic abusers. And what-with the rampant misogyny, I can’t say I have too much hope for our law enforcement/legislative community ever collectively getting their shit together to figure out that these people are also threats to the larger community, not just their wives or mothers-in-law who probably just nagging him about something, amiright???

    • OrG

      Seems like almost any history of violence would be an indicator of future violence.
      Or am I just being a libtard?

      • Teto85

        “Past behavior can be an indicator of present practice.” To quote a school counselor who still did nothing to stop the bully.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Maybe someday people will see the connection, Bunny. I hope so. There’s a misguided (and selective, I might add) instinct on the right to fear that connecting the dots in ways like this logically leads to some kind of zero-privacy, guilt-presuming, surveillance state. But then their florid imaginations suddenly fail when people suggest safeguards.

      They hear what they want to hear.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        Oh, they’re very selective about making connections. Immigrated illegally from some gang-infested Central American country–RAPISTS!!!!; LGBTQ–PEODOPHILE!!!11!; worship some dude called ALLAH–TERRORISTS!1!!; suggest that Black Lives Matter–COP KILLER THUGS!!1!

        Wife/Child Domestic Abuser with a fetish for high-capacity semi-automated rifles–Law Abiding PATRIOT!!!

        • Lance Thrustwell

          This. For out-groups, threat paranoia. For in-groups, dystopia paranoia.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Same as it ever was.

    • cmd resistor

      Yeah, sad to say I am surprised they even got the domestic abuser gun thing passed in the first place.

  • JohnBull

    Donald, you were in Korea where nothing EVER like this happens. Not even a mugging. Not even a weird stare. Seoul is the bestest, funnest, safest, hippest city in the world that doesn’t cost a fortune to live there (hint San Francisco) and none of our cities will ever be that way because we have people like you making sure it never happens.

  • shivaskeeper

    The no reporting from the Air Force stems from the UCMJ itself. The military has a separate justice system. He was charged and convicted under Article 128. That covers everything from simple assault with a maximum punishment of 3 months confinement and loss of 2/3 pay for 3 months and no discharge, up to assault with a dangerous weapon or other means of force to produce death or grievous bodily harm with a max of 5 years confinement, forfeiture of all pay and allowances and a dishonorable discharge.There are 6 other things that can be charged under 128 with various other punishments as well.

    The Bad Conduct dischagre itself is not an automatic ban. It’s an Other Than Honorable that is adjudged by a courts-martial instead of being an administrative action. An example of an administrative OTH is someone who is gay enlisting prior to the repeal of the ban getting or even DADT caught engaging in homosexual activities resulting in an OTH for a fraudulent enlistment. If that person requested a courts-martial it could very become a Bad Conduct instead depending on circumstances.

    It is a failing of the military, but I don’t think it’s a deliberate failure. Whoever did his final outprocessing just sees Article 128 and a Bad Conduct discharge, but not what the actual crime was. I don;t think, and I hope, it’s not some sort of conspiracy of silence. Or some kind of coverup. The UCMJ and the reporting systems definitely need to be updated though.

    • BigCSouthside

      Yeah a lot of people don’t realize the UCMJ is completely different.

      The general thought process is if you are convicted and get dishonorable discharge you are a no go for buying guns.

      • shivaskeeper

        Dishonorable is an automatic ban for guns no matter what the crime was to get a Dishonorable. OTH and Bad Conduct, not so much. Those are supposed to be decided by the individual offense.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      What gets me is that someone can spend a year in Leavenworth or whatever and still not get a DD! I mean, what the hell does it take?

      • clubseal

        Being a woman who gets raped by a superior and then punished for having sex outside of marriage?

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Urgh.

      • shivaskeeper

        A General Courts-Martial. Even cries that would justify a DD will only get a BCD if it’s under a Special Courts-Martial.

        Same as the civilian justice system it will be up to the lawyers and the prosecutors to try to cut a deal or only go for a charge they are sure they can convict on.

  • Ninja0980

    This guy still killed 26 people and injured many more before the two men got to him.
    I’m sorry but those two men stopped nothing IMO.

  • Kakkeltje

    OT: So you go the chef school, you study hard, making the most elaborate dishes and you are over the moon when you get a job as a chef in the actual white house.

    And then you are ordered to recreate a McDonalds hamburger ….

  • Ryan Denniston

    “Unfortunately, that information never made it into the National Criminal
    Information Center database, which is used for background checks by
    federally licensed gun dealers.”

    NCIC doesn’t work 100% of the time? Then what good is it for? I guess we should get rid of it, just like we should get rid of all gun laws because evildoers will violate them anyway and anyway, it’s too soon to be talking about policy.

    (BTW, this logic can be applied to drug laws and stoners, just FYI)

    • Skwerl the Taco Hunter

      Wrong thingy

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “Extreme vetting is for immigrants, who are inherently dangerous, not guns, which make us safer.”
    — Clarified Donald Trump (not associated with clarified butter)

    • Antonin Dvorak

      Fuck that ghee.

  • Donna Mueller

    OT-JUST VOTED- STRAIGHT “D” NO PURITY TEST HERE-FU REPUBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      And I voted for infrastructure bond issues in Denver. And for a school board member who won’t sell our schools out to franchisees.

      • Resistor Radio

        Yay!

    • Joe Beese
      • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

        Fuck off, Bernie.

        • janecita

          Hey, don’t start with that, we are all friends here.

        • Joe Beese

          Come on… that was self-deprecating!

          Lighten up.

          • Lefty Wright

            Bernie voted to give gun manufacturers additional immunity from lawsuits. He’s not exactly the one I want pointing a finger on gun violence.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻
        • janecita

          Mr. Rogers had very long fingers, I never noticed before.

          • Oblios_Cap

            He definitely wasn’t related to Trump, then.

        • Joe Beese

          I refuse to believe that Fred Rogers ever gave anyone “the finger”, even as a child.

          • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

            He actually didn’t. He was playing a game called Where is Thumbkin. Someone froze the screenshot for the “where is Tall Man” verse in this clip and turned it into a meme.

          • Bobathonic
          • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

            I played that game in preschool. I lived a very sheltered life and never knew what Tall Man referred to until I was in my twenties.

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            I never knew he was a Presbyterian minister.

          • the_steamer

            It is true that many good and great people dedicate their lives to the church. It’s not even all that hard to tell the difference between someone that is actually good or altruistic and someone working an agenda of bias and reggression

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            I always thought he was a nice man, but actually a minister surprised me.

          • the_steamer

            Uncles and teachers and doctors can surprise you, too. The premise that God is behind the moral authority or position of control that a minister has is a sham protecting a crime. But they are all criminals pretending to help. It’s a crazy world.

          • starfanglednut

            Has to be a ‘shop.

          • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

            Nope, see below. It’s a meme from a real episode, but taken out of context

          • starfanglednut

            Phew. My 5 year-old self, who asked her mother if she could marry Mr. Rogers, feels reassured.

    • janecita

      I’m going right now:-)

  • Joe Beese

    Together, our nations remind the world of the boundless potential of societies that choose freedom over tyranny, and who set the free. And we will free, and we will sacrifice, and we will hope, and we will make things beautiful, especially the aspirations of your people.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/trump-babbles-incoherently-while-attempting-to-read-speech.html

  • ariel_gee_398

    Half the victims of this shooting were children. Was the 5 year old supposed to have a gun to take on the bad guy with a gun? I mean…jesus fucking christ. Just get the fucking NRA tattoo on your forehead and cut it with the pretense.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻
      • ariel_gee_398

        Well, I guess that makes this relevant: https://vimeo.com/213933768
        (Warning, exceptionally sad short film about kids and guns, for those who don’t feel like sobbing at their desks.)

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          I’ll have to bookmark this and watch later. I’m already feeling in a funk right now.

      • Ghenghis McCann

        On the Assembly floor, Stafsholt boasted that his daughter killed a bear when she was 11 years old.

        Typical girl. Davy Crockett ‘Kilt him a be ‘are when he was only three.’

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          The Republican version of “feminismism.”

      • Oblios_Cap

        Walker wants to go hunting?

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          No, he’s the derp caught in the headlights.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      We should get that artist that does projection art to project that on the RNC headquarters.

    • MynameisBlarney

      As long as the ink is heavily lead based.

  • Lefty Wright

    The NRA always pulls the bullshit of any gun control is tantamount to taking everyone’s guns. And even if you do that, people will still murder people. Yeah, people will still shoot other people even with reasonable gun regulations. But it is likely that about 50 people in a small town in Texas would be having lunch right now instead of being in a casket or recovering from a gunshot wound if we had sensible regulations. And even if it only cuts the murder and suicide rate from firearms by 5%, if your spouse or child is one of those 5%, it would be the best regulation you would ever see.

    • jesterpunk

      I like how they admit that a lot of gun owners shouldn’t have guns with that line though.

      • Ghenghis McCann

        But how do you decide who can have guns? Why should someone with a conviction for spousal abuse be denied his constitutional rights, as long as he can afford to pay for a gun?

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          Plus, “bitch prolly set him up”.

        • the_steamer

          “well-regulated militia” is right there in the 2nd amendment. If he couldn’t remain a part of our military due to his countenance and behavior, his rights are clearly not protected by the 2nd amendment.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Clearly you’re a commie and you hate ‘Merka.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Was just reading about one of the surgeons who was trying to piece some of the victims back together. Obviously, the families and friends of the victims are forever changed for the worse. What about all the folks like the good doctor who have to try and clean up after this? The LEOs who respond, not know if they will be shot in a hail of bullets? EMTs who have to wade thru blood to get to the victims. Crime scene investigators who have to pick thru the carnage afterwards? How could someone who experiences all that still think owning AR-15s is a good idea?

    • Joe Beese

      It’s not your grandfather’s deer out there. These are superpredators on hooves. Only military grade firepower can cope with them.

      • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

        Ted Nugent killed Bambi. Marisa Tomei doesn’t like that.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da7GSy-6mJY

        • Jenny

          Eh the Nuge usually uses a bow.

          • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

            Oh, right. He only reserves the barrel of his gun for threatening uppity negro presidents.

        • Gussie Jives

          I might actually give a fuck about what kind of pants the son-of-a-bitch who shot me was wearing.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      PTSD is for sissy cucks who cry to their mommies and let real men fuck their wives. ‘Murica doesn’t have mental illness. That’s a Cucknadian thing. #MAGA

    • cmd resistor

      I’ve read a number of those trauma surgeon stories (this one and other mass shootings) and how you don’t see that kind of injury outside of war/combat. Yet no one much seems to pay attention.

    • Werewolf

      I served as a combat soldier in the IDF, and got shot at a couple of times. The only time I saw a gunshot wound was in a hospital in the US (self-inflicted).

  • TootsStansbury

    Dotard makes W seem like a stirring orator.

    • Yeah, I’ll bet Dampnut doesn’t even KNOW that human beings and fish can coexist…

    • Oblios_Cap

      But could W purse his lips like Dotard? I think not.

      • GHERKINS du RESISTANCE!

        Maybe! You’d think that by now, butthole transplant surgery would have advanced pretty far.

  • MynameisBlarney

    Martha Plimpton.

    https://twitter.com/marthaplimpton/status/927573391468457986

    Does she know about the Vagenda O’ Manocide?

  • jodo

    Only in America would someone use the logic that lax gun laws are good because a gun owner can stop another gun owner from killing and injuring more than 45 people in minutes. Nevermind that the same laws contribute greatly to death and injury of those 45 people in the first place. The POTUS, no less, makes this argument on a global stage. We are in deep psychosis about guns.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Other people have said it and I concur. The “mass psychosis” you’re referring to is an epidemic of “erectile dysfunction.”

      • clubseal

        “You said it happens to every guy!”

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          The DSM really needs to include an entry for Hyper-Masculine Paranoid Disorder.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      “Death cult” is the best description I’ve heard. Sacrifices are an acceptable cost.

  • Anna Rompage

    Aside from the Air Force dropping the all on reporting this person, even if this asshole was banned from buying a gun at a store or through an FFL registered seller, the asshole could have still could have bought a gun at a gun show, or online though a non-FFL private seller…

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      Not to mention, he can 3D print guns now. And buy “assembly kits,” which aren’t regulated because you’re just selling “parts,” not the whole gun.

      • Anna Rompage

        Does that mean I can sell the parts to build a nuclear weapon, as long as I don;t sell the whole thing complete?

        • I don’t see why not!

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          Sure! This is a free country, innit?

        • Zippy49

          I think that access to fissionable material is rather restricted. Unlike access to guns. And giant magazines, bump stocks, etc depending on what state you are in.

          I saw 50 round clips for handguns for sale in Vegas. Could have bought one even though I don’t live there. This is truly the Wild West.

      • Wonky Magoo

        PSA: 3D printed guns are exactly as usable as guns made out of Play-Doh.

        • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

          Well, that’s slightly a relief.

          The assembly kits, though, are a matter of concern.

      • BigCSouthside

        The only part of an AR the ATF considers a gun is the lower receiver, which is nuts

  • Anna Rompage

    And in other news….

    Virginia ACLU sounds voter suppression alarm over phone calls telling Dems to go to wrong polling place

    The ACLU of Virginia this week warned that supporters of Republican gubernatorial candidate Ed Gillespie may be using dirty tricks to suppress the votes of Democrats.

    • Bill D. Burger

      GOP election mantra: “We can’t beatem’ so we cheatem’.”

    • Republican motto: If you can’t win cheat. If you still can’t win, cheat harder!

      • GHERKINS du RESISTANCE!

        That is to say, “steal a Supreme Court seat!”

        ALL YOUR LAW BELONG TO US

    • MynameisBlarney

      They can’t win playing fair.
      So they fucking cheat.

    • VirginiaMorningBlend

      Any word yet on how heavy or light turnout is at polling places?

      • Blackest Noobs

        im at a polling place….it’s been a trickle of folks..a steady flow but not huge lines….could be different elsewhere.

        • VirginiaMorningBlend

          Let’s hope the after work crowd remembers.

      • cmd resistor

        A FB friend in Fredericksburg said about 30 people in line when she went at 6:30 this morning. She seemed pleased.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • TundraGrifter

    I listened to President Trump’s comments and he has no clear understanding of what went down in Texas. First we had to put up with “Too soon” – telling us the accused isn’t a Muslin – then something-something about a guy in a truck with a rifle – got the facts all twisted up. What nonsense! He makes Duh Gov’ sound downright articulate.

    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      I listened to President Trump’s comments

      My condolences.

      and he has no clear understanding of what went down in Texas.

      …or anything, Katie.

  • Joe Beese
    • clairence

      Okay the Election Victory Party was a friggin year ago. How is this ‘new’ news just coming out now?

    • Michael R

      I thought this was old news

    • Ghenghis McCann

      ‘It was a big party, the bigliest. I didn’t know everybody there. Did I tell you about my inauguration. That crowd was even more bigly.’

  • OneYieldRegular

    Republicans = accomplices.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Accomplices in treason.

  • Dudleydidwrong

    In the film “Gandhi,” following the Amritsar massacre by the British military, there is this dialogue of the hearing when the general, Dwyer, whose troops massacred the people, was quizzed about his conduct:

    Government advocate: General Dyer, is it correct that you ordered your troops to fire at the thickest part of the crowd?
    Gen. Dyer: [righteous tone] That is so.
    Government advocate: One thousand five hundred and sixteen casualties with one thousand six hundred and fifty bullets.
    Gen. Dyer: My intention was to inflict a lesson that would have an impact throughout all India.
    Indian barrister: General, had you been able to take in the armored car, would you have opened fire with the machine gun?
    Gen. Dyer: I think, probably, yes.
    Lord Hunter: General, did you realize there were children, and women, in the crowd?
    Gen. Dyer: I did.
    Government advocate: But that was irrelevant to the point you were making?
    Gen. Dyer: That is correct!
    Government advocate: Could I ask you what provision you made for the wounded?
    Gen. Dyer: I was ready to help any who applied.
    Government advocate: General, how does a child shot with a 303 Lee-Enfield “apply” for help?
    Gen. Dyer: [silence]

    Madness.

  • jesuswasablack

    “Trump Says More Stupid Shit”
    I’ve found the solution on the google!

    http://www.funslurp.com/images/Trump-Bullshit-Protectors.jpg

    • Alan

      I need noise cancelling.

    • GHERKINS du RESISTANCE!

      Can’t we just get a cork and save everyone the trouble?

  • MynameisBlarney
    • YoBunnyBunny

      No, no we can’t do anything about mass shootings, but the GOP wants us to believe that we can do something about:

      Illegal aliens illegally voting
      Widespread voter fraud, unless people show photo I.D. to vote
      Christian cake/flower/wedding card vendors being forced to do gay stuff against their religion
      Teenage girls turning into sluts if they get BC to treat their bad cramps/acne
      Poor men being jailed/fired en masse if we tell colleges to take sexual violence/harassment seriously
      Poor people treating their local urgent care ward like a day spa if they are allowed to have affordable health insurance.
      Etc., etc, etc, etc,

      These are all things of questionable existence, that the right is hell bent on stopping. Yet here we are staring back at another mass shooting (on top of regular non-mass shooting shootings), and they are just lost at what we can do about it.

  • Put On Your War Paint!

    OT, but Nice Time song/video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpdmKELE1k

    • chortlingdingo

      Oh I love that song, and the video is great too!

      • Put On Your War Paint!

        :) I adore Swedish House Mafia, and this one seemed appropriate today

    • chortlingdingo

      Also, I really love your hair in your new pic!

      • Put On Your War Paint!

        Thanx! :D I’m getting lots of compliments on it.

  • Jenny

    There’s only hundreds in the entire town… So he was just going to walk back to the gas station and then maybe the sheriffs office, and I dunno the local bar and murder the rest? Maybe he was just going to go trick or treat around town with bullets afterwards?

    Do you think Japan and South Korea’s leaders were like nah you actually would have less of a problem. Like we do?

    For the record, anime has gun violence. And yet they don’t have nearly as many gun deaths. What a mystery!!!

    • jesterpunk

      But they have Samurai warriors who cant even cut down missiles.

      • Jenny

        Well get these people a gun!!!

      • MynameisBlarney

        Yeah, but they train for a fucking LONG ASS TIME for that finishing move.
        Very few are that dedicated.

        *edit*

        HA! Misread your post.

  • goonemeritus

    Considering the shooter showed up with 450 rounds for his assault rifle and used them all in the church I don’t think the good guy with a gun did anything but save us the expense of a trial.

    • Hardly Ideal

      Word. I can only assume these folks assume that a mass shooter gives you time to actually get your gun. They always have the element of surprise on their side, which is why these armed folks never solve anything.

      It’s not like these mass shooters just pop out of the bushes, strike a pose while shouting a catchphrase, and then everyone rolls 20-sided dice to see who goes first.

      • goonemeritus

        Polite mass killers would.

  • Bill D. Burger

    NBC is reporting that Trump has signaled Kim that they “…can make a deal.”
    Wowzer: “Fire & Fury / Little Rocket Man / Utter annihilation of North Korea / turn NK into glass / ….blah, blah, blah.
    I just didn’t know how that international Art of the Deal worked. Threaten and insult the fuck out of em’ and then, “Let’s make a deal…let’s do this!”
    Kim be like….He so funny! Fuck Orange Dotard.

    http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Kim-Jong-Un-LaughingClappings.gif

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Boy, he’s one plump little pigeon.

      • Bill D. Burger

        Growing up as the only fat kid in the entire country explains a lot about his personality and disposition.

      • Ghenghis McCann

        Trump or Kim?

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Trump’s definitely more of a turkey.

          • Ghenghis McCann

            Self basted.

        • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

          Yes.

      • (((Aron)))

        Mmmmm, squab!

    • Blackest Noobs

      Trump is a fuckin idiot. Clinton basically had a deal worked out but it was pretty much toward the end of his term, the Clinton peeps told Bush Junior peeps what was up and they decided to screw the deal and call NK an axis of evil.

      diplomacy works, doing the tough talk bullshit does not work.

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      yeah, but what is kim going to signal back?

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Send up another missile, obvs.

    • cmd resistor

      Oh, so wonderful. He makes the best deals, you know.

  • clairence

    Trump’s description of the event is a bit at odds with what actually happened.

    Trump said, “you might not have had that very brave person who happened to have a gun or a rifle in his truck go out and shoot him and hit him and neutralize him.”

    But he actually, “grabbed his rifle from a safe and ran barefoot to the church.”
    So he didn’t “happen to have a gun in his truck”, he brought one from home.

    Trump’s version is a validation for all the country bumpkins who drive around with guns on a rack behind their heads.

    Just sayin’.

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      glad to hear it was in a safe – although some dumbass is going to say if it wasn’t he might have saved lives!

      Ugh.

      • the_steamer

        It’s an odd supposition that if guns were everywhere less people would be dead. If only every conflict were peppered with gunfire less people would be dead per incident. But if the 30 round magazines and bump stocks are still legal people will overcome those odds and make every minor conflict a mass casualty event, as we see just this year.

        • Dept. of Space Tacos

          it’s only a logical/accurate assumption if you think everyone is an action here in a movie.

          Trained shooters miss. Disciplined shooters tell you to always know what’s behind your target.

          What if you miss the guy and hit a kid in the head in a crowded church (or movie theater).

          And that’s assuming their trained, competent, and not fucking stupid.

          (fuck, was going ot post usual suspects clip, but Kevin Spacey).

          • the_steamer

            There’s a similar scene from Unforgiven.

          • Dept. of Space Tacos

            Early episodes of the Walking Dead were the worst.

            Headshots, every time, while on the move.

            (course that was when they needed to get somewhere…when a character needed to be in danger, they couldn’t hit the space shuttle from 5 feet away).

    • cmd resistor

      I heard NPR interviewing people in the shooter’s hometown last night. One guy saying it just shows how you have to carry a gun to be safe from people like this guy or terrorists. Too depressing to remember the other details.

  • (((Aron)))

    Orange kittycats say ‘meow.’

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Oh, look. Nomiki Konst’s family benefactor Chris Collins is being inconveniently blunt.

    https://twitter.com/M_G_Stone/status/927941556539219973

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
    • clairence

      You know, if you eliminate the outlier on that chart, there’s not gun problem at all.

      • GHERKINS du RESISTANCE!

        if you eliminate the outlier

        Trump is working hard on that!

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Guns, yes. Also systemic inequalities resulting in concentrations of poor people with burning resentments living in confined spaces with few legal outlets for energy and ambition.

      Edit: oh wait – that’s just mass shooters. I stand by my analysis, but it doesn’t apply so well here. My bad.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        Like the Las Vegas shooter.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      And it’s still not clear to some people which direction the US ought to be moving in.
      I’m pouring a drink.

  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    (sorry for long post)
    “in the national crime database that would have prevented him from buying a gun after his court-martial on domestic violence charges.”

    I think there is a FANTASTIC investigative piece in the NCIC and the way it works. It’s such a common part of our lives, but we don’t know much about – like our equifax info, behind the scenes on mortgages, credit card debt reselling.

    I did some investigative work in 2004 or so when we had a local cop shot to death on the job for the first time in like a decade or two. Short version, two cops respond to domestic situation (yes, this again). They didn’t think he had a weapon, for some reason, and he came out of the garage shooting. Hit the young cop, basically at the top of the butt. Cops use 9mm bullets, generally. Apparently, due to their caliber, things like this happen: The bullet entered his body and bounced around the inside, shredding his insides. (Sorry about that bit of info).

    I found out (yes, I was proud of this work, which I feel bad about given the nature of it all) he had prior arrests in Oregon (maybe even domestic ones)….that weren’t entered into the NCIC. Our police chief was on the show that night and told our anchor he didn’t know that! I think there was a prior weapons charge in Oregon as well…somebody told us the cops would have approached the house differently if they had known that.

    I believe someone also told me it costs money to either subscribe or enter info into NCIC. Granted this all may be bull and it was 13 years ago, but yeah, good story there.

    Anyway….somebody get on that!

    • ariel_gee_398

      Despite all the law enforcement information sharing we were supposed to see post-9/11, I don’t think much of it has really been implemented the way we’d like to think. My dad works in health care and his facility is legally obligated both to do a pre-employment background check and to use the state police to do it unless the person has lived out of state in the past X years, and the state police database often is missing info that the federal ones have.

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        Was there a local LEO element to that info sharing? I think I remember it now that you mention it, but I really don’t know.

        It wasn’t your point, I know, but my immigration law teacher, for obvious reasons, talked about how the feds are (allegedly) sharing more info post-911…but I’m unsure Podunk, Ohio is chuffed about it.

        • ariel_gee_398

          I don’t know precisely what laws were passed, but we learned siloed information was dangerous and yet haven’t don’t much about it, it seems.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        Also too, (tangential) there probably needs to be a conversation about private non-LEO background check security firms.

        I work in the records office of a university, so we hear a lot from commercial background checkers (First Advantage, Sterling, Carco, etc.). The screeners are not highly paid employees, and a lot of their screeners are outsourced in foreign countries. The ones state-side sound like they are one grade above asking if you want fries with this verification. And a lot of them do not sound computer literate, which is crucial when there our online databases that they can access (if they can figure it out). Some of these folks sound like they couldn’t find their own asshole with a 3X magnified mirror, much less a criminal report. And then there is the rush to meet internal quotas, so they just dump incomplete background reports.

        I know this was an issue with the Navy Yard shooter and the govt contractor who researched him. I mention this because government agencies are all about hiring private contractors to do the work they think they can’t do efficiently. So if any government agency tries to outsource background checks to private firms, DO NOT LET THEM.

        • Dept. of Space Tacos

          “sound like they are one grade above asking if you want fries with this verification.”

          Heh, that made me laugh.

        • ariel_gee_398

          Baltimore just decided to contract out background checks for new police hires. What could go wrong?

    • the_steamer

      The NCIC does cost per background check and it shouldn’t. It should be free for any seller private or dealer to conduct a background check to determine if they buyer is legit. It would save lives and money in short order.

  • roberteye

    Since 2009, Chicago=Obama for the wing nuttery

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    At this point, Il Douche only makes noises for his dumbfuck base to listen to, because (a) he knows what they want to hear, and (b) that’s all he knows anyway.
    If you’re not a Trumpanzee, you shouldn’t be paying attention, because he’s not talking to you.

  • goonemeritus

    If civilians were only allowed to have space weaponry we could have vaporized this guy from orbit before he left his house. When will we wakeup and pull out of the global agreement prohibiting the militarization of space.

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      where can I buy an ion laser.

      Pew Pew Pew!

      (couldn’t find the clip I wanted);
      https://youtu.be/A0OwOMl4Ij8?t=11

    • Bill D. Burger
    • 🍁 Girl Guide Salute 🖖🏻

      The only thing stopping a bad storm trooper with a gun is a good Death Star with a laser?

    • Hardly Ideal

      It’s all fun and games until we start blowing up satellites. Hope y’all like debris cascades!

      …not to go too nerd OT, but I realized after watching Gravity that any one of those orbital space battles you see in sci-fi movies would basically be a crime against humanity. When one of those star destroyers explode, that debris will circle the planet, shredding everything but the most heavily shielded spacecraft and creating even more debris. Off-world travel and orbital infrastructure would be impossible for centuries.

  • Anna Rompage

    All this talk about the violent streets of Chicago from these far right hoofwanking bunglecucks, but nary a word that Donad Trimp promised to bring peace to the inner city areas, and has failed to deliver on yet another one of his campaign promises…

    • Michael R

      “I have a message for all of you: The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20, 2017, safety will be restored,” Trump said in his speech formally accepting the Republican nomination for president.

    • JustDon’tSayConfabulation

      I don’t think we want him to follow up on that promise. His solution is martial law.

    • shivaskeeper

      Of course not. And he hasn’t mentioned it again. Because what he was talking about was an invasion of the cities by the military. Guns, bombs, armored vics, clearing and securing neighborhoods a building at a time, and so on. There is no other way to do what he campaigned on.

      I can only assume someone got it through his head that it was unworkable, illegal, and was just not going to happen.

  • capnkrunch

    Fuck off asshole.
    -Chicago (to Trump)

  • Blackest Noobs

    guns don’t kill, they just let you commit murder.

    • theCryptofishist

      A possible metaphor is a catalyst. They don’t make chemical reactions happen, but they make them happen at lower temperatures. Of course, I’m insane thinking that scientific metaphors would work on this crowd.

      • Blackest Noobs

        you are indeed, you cannot reason with them.

  • Peter Walford

    Excellent journalism on a situation that dismays and perplexes Aussies.

  • Mavenmaven

    Even if they had reported him properly he could have easily bought a gun at a gun show.

    • cmd resistor

      And these mealy-mouthed politicians of the GOP persuasion go on and on about how “we just need to enforce the laws we have” and blah blah blah other shit. Rep. from GA was particularly nauseating this morning on TV.

      • shivaskeeper

        You know what? Enforcing, actually no shit enforcing, the laws already on the books would be a great start.

        The entire culture needs to be changed in addition to better gun laws. But doing one without the other will be pissing into the wind.

        Part of the problem is guns are not taken seriously. They are just considered toys for grownups in large part. Every single violation of existing law needs to be prosecuted every single time. No more consequence free gun ownership. Until that happens there is no incentive to treat a lethal weapon with the respect it deserves.

        Of course it won’t stop all gun crime any more than enforcing drunk driving laws stops all drunk driving, but it will make people pause and stop the cavalier attitude about guns. No more free “mistakes”. No more.

        • cmd resistor

          Apparently Pentagon has been sloppily reporting crimes to the FBI database for 20 years.

          • shivaskeeper

            Like I said earlier I don’t know if that is deliberate or or a relic of the UCMJ. The bulk of Article 128 deals with assault on superiors or are otherwise strictly duty related. The more general parts are assault, assault with battery, and assault if a minor under 16 years old.

            The UCMJ is almost solely focused on good order and discipline and reinforcing the chain of command. When there are multiple potential reasons for a BCD the local command would know the specifics, but the people who put the codes on the paperwork and in the databases probably don’t. There are things that the military considers the equivalent of a felony that aren’t in any way illegal in the civilian world.

            It is problem that needs to fixed for damn sure, but I don’t think its a deliberate oversight.

  • Weird Fishes

    If nothing happened after Sandy Hook, nothing is ever going to happen. I’m not giving up on the struggle, but once you condone the killing of children, really, what’s left?

    • Edith Prickly

      Yes. And when people get shot and killed in church and your response is “thoughts and prayers” (with a straight face), you’re beyond redemption.

      • cmd resistor

        Then they just create a new “category” of shooting. This one wins the prize for being the largest “church shooting” as well as the largest “small town shooting,” not to mention the largest shooting in Texas. I swear I read all three yesterday. The fact that “church shooting” is a thing is too much.

      • Weird Fishes

        America in 2017, ladies and gentlemen. All you can eat gun violence

    • theCryptofishist

      I don’t actually believe that. Most Americans want gun control. We are going to move in that direction, maybe only by inches, certainly with many steps backwards, but I don’t see it happening here. At some point, people will figure out how to counter the NRA. I don’t know how, but I think it’s coming.

      • Weird Fishes

        I genuinely hope you’re right, because every time something happens it seems as if the positions on both side harden that much more. LaPierre has so much to answer for. His hands are soaked in blood.

      • Dudleydidwrong

        It will take 3 million people in DC filling the space between the WH & the Capitol, loudly demanding change. Until then, not much chance.

    • Hardly Ideal

      Something might happen, but I doubt it’ll happen in my lifetime. Possibly because my lifetime will be cut short when an insane coworker walks up behind me while I’m having lunch and blows my head off.

  • demmie36

    Can we take a moment to discuss how felony assault and fracturing the skull of an infant gets you ONE WHOLE YEAR in jail, but selling a dime bag to a police officer gets you a mandatory life sentence? Yes gun control is great, but if we aren’t allowed to talk about it, maybe we can talk about that. And *not* start ramping up the mental health stigma! (per his earlier comments about antidepressants or whatever)

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      Seriously, I just gasped out loud at the skull fracturing. What the ever-loving fuck?

      • demmie36

        I would, except it happens all the time here. I met one child who had been dragged by her hair across the floor by her step father until half her hair was ripped out and also beaten until her skull fractured, and that was the “last straw” for the court to finally award custody to her father, since all the other broken bones were just limbs and stuff.

        • AnnieGetYerFun

          No lies – a classmates’ child was recently killed by the mother’s boyfriend. I can’t express what I hope happens to the boyfriend without seriously violating the Commenting Rules for Radicals.

    • shivaskeeper

      UCMJ. Its a separate justice system. Different laws, different punishments.

  • Molon Labe

    Ok, so if violence in Chicago can be explained by IL’s lax-gun-law-neighbors, why don’t we see Chicago violence numbers in those neighboring states also? They have the lax laws right there, no need to cross state line.

    You can compare the situation in IL to the isolation of HI and make an interesting argument. However, if the lax gun laws don’t cause IL’s neighbors to have Chicago level violence, then it would appear be a more complex issue than just availability of guns.

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      of course it is – it’s the interplay between guns, crime, poverty, mental health issues, and possibly/probably substance addiction.

      Here’s the thing, always and forever – guns make it easier to kill people and more of them in a shorter amount of time.

      Period. End of fucking conversation.

      • Werewolf

        Moron Lobe-the part of a wingnut’s hypothetical brain that makes him think that he needs military weaponry to distract attention from his teeny, tiny dingus.

    • Blanche de Shambles

      Both St. Louis, MO, and Gary, IN consistently rank higher in murder rates than Chicago. In fact, in 2016 St. Louis was ranked #14 in the world for homicides.

      • Molon Labe

        Interesting. I didn’t see Gary on the statistics I looked up but St. Louis does much murder higher rates than Chicago, as do a number of other cities. I don’t have time to look city statistics specific to gun violence but will when I have the chance.

    • Bill Diaz

      You are A IDIOT. Your blathering makes my brain hurt.

      Have a great day!

    • gingerland62

      The violence in Chicago is mostly gang related shootings. Not people at wal mart, church, Country music concerts or school. Both types of violence are horrible, but the problems are different so the solutions are also.

      • Molon Labe

        Yes, I understand the situation in Chicago is centered around gang activity. None the less tragic.

        Its not clear to me what you mean by different solutions for gang vs non-gang gun violence though.

    • Cornelius Fussbudget

      (removing that graph, just noticed it was old)

      Chicago murders dropped precipitously and then just bobbed back up again last year? That’s the statistic that Trump won’t shut up about. It’s still lower than 38-39 out of the last 40 years.

      Basically, the police there did “too good” a job capturing criminals without necessarily destroying the marketplaces they participated in. So when new gangs jumped into that market there was a tiny increase.

      I was going to write: “There’s absolutely no reason we would expect for murders to continue to increase” but then I realized: Trump is in charge. If he can find a way, I am sure he will disrupt the Chicago police so that the graph keeps going up, up, up!

    • Gussie Jives

      Your username is telling me you’re not interested in actually resolving the problem of gun violence. Namely because it might involve you needing to be more responsible with your compensation device.

      I’m Canadian. I live in a city just a little smaller than Chicago (Toronto). Our homicide rate is a fraction of Chicago’s (2.0 per 100,000 people vs 18.5 per 100,000 in 2014). We’ve got gangs. We’ve got poverty. We’re called “Toronto the Good”, but we got plenty of internal divisions and we can certainly be jerks to each other. Are our cops better? No. Are we devoid of “good guys with guns”? Nope, plenty of Torontonians own firearms. After all, the roughly 36 million Canadians own 10 million guns. So what makes the difference?

      I’ll tell you: the attitude and the regulation. Guns are either for hunting or for sport. A lot of us don’t consider “defense” a valid reason for ownership and the regulations governing storage alone preclude sleeping with a loaded gun under your pillow. You’re not buying military grade weapons up here. You’re not buying bump stocks or anything that could turn a semi-auto into a fully auto. You’re keeping your shotgun or handgun locked in a gun safe with the ammo safely stored, and you’ve demonstrated you can do so safely before even being allowed to handle one, as the RCMP can attest. Thus we have a fraction of the gun accidents, a fraction of the gun suicides and a fraction of the gun homicides.

      America is not exceptional. Not in any good way, at least. The rest of us have this figured out, not just around the world, but plenty of American gun owners have it figured out. You only haven’t because you’ve decided your hobby horse is more important than the lives of your fellow citizens. And that is truly pathetic.

      Stats from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

      • Molon Labe

        Of course I am committed to preventing gun violence. Just because we don’t agree about the details, doesn’t mean we can’t share a common cause.

        Obviously we do disagree about what constitutes a “valid reason” for gun ownership. However, I agree that gun safety is something extremely important. I think everyone should embrace the safety practices you describe. Although, I don’t quite follow how you seem to be suggesting that gun safety resolves gun violence? (I assume I am missing something in your argument) Accidents on the other hand are absolutely preventable with gun safety.

        By “military grade” I take it you mean semi-auto AR style rifles chambered in 5.56 NATO? Which in-fact are fully legal to own in Canada. You can hop on any Canadian gun seller’s website and quickly verify this for yourself. If you were referring to something else, I understand.

        While Canada does have more regulation I am not convinced that measures like Authorization To Transport (ATT) and small magazine capacity account for lower gun violence. If someone in Canada is disgruntled at their boss and they snap and decide to do the unthinkable, I don’t think the restrictions of an ATT, or having to unlock their gun safe, is going to stop them.

        • Gussie Jives

          I stand corrected. A little more research pinpointed the actual reason the AR-15 isn’t used in gun crimes in Canada: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ar-15-can-be-purchased-in-canada-but-heres-why-203816624.html

          But Noah says the difference between Canada and the U.S. is not the
          availability of the weapon itself, but the training and screening
          process
          that precedes a purchase.

          In addition:

          Aside from its tactical look, though, he says the AR-15 fires one bullet
          at a time from a magazine limited — in Canada, at least — to five
          rounds. In practical terms, he says it is no more dangerous than a
          typical hunting rifle.

          A focus on gun safety changes the attitude. See, I don’t see the average gun owner as the kind of person who has a username “Molon Labe”. I see the typical gun owner to be either a rural person who needs a .22 to pick off varmints, or a hunter who enjoys a weekend out hunting turkeys or deer, or maybe even an urban enthusiast that enjoys target practice. “Molon Labe” tells me that the person uttering it is afraid that the government is going to confiscate their firearms, and that’s a dangerous mindset because it breeds a siege mentality. They think that any limit to their ability to have an unlimited arsenal at their disposal is an imposition. I’m willing to hazard a guess that if magazine limits were suggested as a new law, you’d be against them.

          So if you’re not interested in mandating safety courses as a prerequisite for gun ownership, not for mandating trigger locks or gun safes, not for limiting magazine capacities… then you’re not for solving the problem. End of story.

          • Molon Labe

            As I said before, I am all for gun safety. I think every gun owner should practice responsible gun ownership. I obtained a hunting licenses almost completely for the purpose of learning about how to safely own and use firearms. I still have never hunted and did not grow up in a home with guns. I would have zero problem with requiring people to pass a course in gun safely prior to becoming a gun owner. To me, it makes sense. However, I am not sure if safety training alone can account for the “attitude” difference you credit the lower gun crime in Canada with.

            I also wouldn’t be opposed to trigger locks, although again I don’t feel like they are anything that is going to prevent gun violence. Gun safes are cabinets are also a very wise practice. The thing is, I don’t think many gun crimes are committed with unsecured guns that wouldn’t have been accessible by the perpetrator anyway. If someone is inclined to go out and shoot up a church, having to retrieve their gun out of their safe and unlock their trigger, ins’t going to stop them.

            Would I be opposed to legislation mandating the use of such safety devices? Probably not, I just don’t think that would impact gun violence or mass shootings. I also question how effective it would be to legislate how people keep their guns in their homes. Any method of policing such practices would be far more of an intrusion than the safety measures themselves.

            I don’t think I would support a magazine capacity limit. However, I also don’t think I would be very opposed to it either. The previous “high capacity” ban really only reduced supply somewhat, shifted the market and raise the price significantly on larger magazines.

            Ultimately, I do agree with you about the “attitude”. If I am going to be around people who are handling guns I would rather be with rural hicks who grew with guns in their home and learned respect for them from an early age. I have no interest in being accidentally shot by some tacticool punk who wants to be in a zombie movie. Although, I think the issue is deeper than safety or respect for guns. I believe there is a cancer within American culture that has desensitized us, crippled our empathy for others and devalued our own self worth. I also see a severely fragmented society that is pitted against its self.

    • thixotropic jerk
  • andyshelt

    Posted this on another thread yesterday but thought it worth reposting about Kellyanne Conway repeating the bullshit GOP talking point that talking about gun control is politicising the issue and “disrespects the dead”.

    The comment by Conway that left me speechless was this one displaying either complete amnesia about who she works for or a level of irony that was almost close to performance art.

    “People are taking to Twitter in the comfort of their very luxurious lives, pointing fingers.”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conway-gun-debate-disrepect-dead_us_5a00eae3e4b0368a4e868d17?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    • JustDon’tSayConfabulation

      Self-awareness. How does it work?

    • Bitter Scribe

      So does this mean it’s OK to talk about the Las Vegas massacre, or is that now “old news”?

  • Gussie Jives

    Know what the sad thing is? These are the talking points the fever swamp dwellers pass around each other. The Dumbass-in-Chief is just saying them out loud.

    Media, try doing your job and bat them down. They’re not that hard; even I could do it.

    • Cornelius Fussbudget

      But then they might change the channel, and buy whatever brand of toxic waste they’re peddling over there instead. Then our corporate overlords will haz sads.

      • Gussie Jives

        Yeah, heaven forbid they actually crack open a newspaper and read something for once in their lives.

        …actually scratch that, they’d just buy the Moony Times.

  • george lastrapes

    Odd. The arguments for ‘trickle-down economics’ and ‘never enough guns’ are nonsensical, and neither of these ideas performs as promised. What accounts for their staying power?
    It’s almost as though halfwits have seized on the word ‘counterintuitive’ as proof that some stupid notion must be true because it is sooooo stupid.

    • marxalot

      Short answer? Bribery and threats.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Wasn’t the invading army in the “Red Dawn” remake North Korean*? Good thing our boys had their own guns to fight them, unlike those wussy South Koreans who merely, you know, live right next door to them.

    *IIRC, it was originally Chinese, but someone in the accounting department of whatever misbegotten studio made the thing said “HOLY SHIT you guys! FOREIGN SALES! FINANCING!” and they changed it postproduction, at great expense, to NK.

    • Relativicus

      Yes, NK’s tourism industry has yet to recover.

  • Relativicus

    “He initially said such a question was simply inappropriate ‘in the heart of South Korea.’”

    “Heyyyy, hoooooo, I’m tryna vacation ovaheah!”

  • jaspersdad

    Is it too soon to talk about the resumption of sales of bump stocks?

  • ImGoingBacon

    So I received an email this morning from someone claiming to be an employee of a church, and was requesting information regarding emergency communications capabilities, in case phone lines were inop. I say claiming, as her email address was outlook.com.
    Anyway, if true: A church. Reaching out to a Federal agency. Asking about comms plans in case of an emergency. Let that sink in.

  • Incoming Ham

    This is mental health issue.

    Obsessive, paranoid and delusional gun hoarders need psychiatric evaluation and treatment. There is something mentally wrong with someone who refuses to rethink gun laws after 27 kids and dozens of adults are gunned down. If your weapons are more important than people, you need help.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      I have no doubt that the House will shortly introduce legislation that provides ample funding for mental health care in this great nation!

  • JoeChristmas

    I thought the shooter was stopped by prayer??!?

    • LesBontemps

      In that he stopped by a church full of pray-ers and shot them, sure.

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      No, no, it’s just that the people who died are all OK and with Jesus and their families don’t even mind that they are dead, because of prayer.

  • Back in The Good Ol’ Days there were none of this fancy mass shootings. Folks just had ice cream socials, potato sack races, and blew up children.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    • marxalot

      Dynamite Bob had enough stuff put away to blow up half of Birmingham.

  • JoeChristmas

    The solution, of course, is more guns and prayer…and tax cuts for the 1%!

    • clairence

      prayers work. guns work better. tax cuts are the best.

  • cmd resistor

    So how did this guy become a nominee in the Trump world? DoD guy says citizens shouldn’t be able to buy AR-15’s.
    http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/359167-trump-dod-nominee-insane-that-civilians-can-buy-assault-rifles

  • I cry tears of joy whenever I think of Noma having to see Trump naked. She earned it.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/800c8a8440baa686ec4860622f108424b67b0e88b77f03a239c4809dd5139b95.jpg

  • So the Texas church shooter apparently was committed to a mental hospital in 2012 (where he escaped from briefly because no one can do anything right when it comes to this guy). Too bad none of his family members questioned his right to own weapons of mass destruction.
    Also, fuck Trump for saying that Willieford stopped the shooter from killing hundreds more. Doesn’t he know it was thoughts and prayers? Even Willieford recognized that he himself was under the protection of his Lord and God. I don’t think he’s questioned why he would worship a God that would protect an old man but not a little baby.

    • shivaskeeper

      He would have still been in the military then. That was after his enlistment and prior to his courts-martial. It seems like he was outsourced to a civilian institution.

    • Cinder Biscuits

      Criminals and murderers escape mental hospitals all the time here in South Texas. They can basically just walk off campus while the staff asks them nicely please not to leave the grounds before phoning the police to report an escape.

      • Yeegads.

        • Cinder Biscuits

          Yeah, there was some investigating into it after a guy who murdered his wife and ate her brain just walked off for a second time about a year ago.

  • marxalot

    Also: not really sure where he was supposed to find hundreds more people in Sutherland Springs, where the deaths of 26 people in a Baptist church knocked the total population down by about 4%. He hit damn near everyone who was in the building in the first place, also too.
    Yes, I know it’s a stupid technicality, but the sadmad has to have some outlet other than screaming incoherently.

  • BJW

    “Donald Trump Says More Stupid Shit” is complete in and of itself, Doc. Although to be fair it would get monotonous reading the same title used every time Trump is mentioned.

    • guest1331now

      DTSMSS about _____________.

      • BJW

        Perfect!

  • guest1331now

    Minor correction: apparently there were two guys who intervened, one with a gun and one with a truck. http://abcnews.go.com/US/heroes-hug-prayer-vigil-mourn-texas-church-victims/story?id=50985429.

  • SadDemInTex

    I want the police photos of the torn up bodies of babies and children and adults in that bloodbath published and EVERYONE forced to see the result of the criminal greed of the gun manufacturers.

    • Agreed. Put it on prime time and make it mandatory for all citizens. What you dont like looking at the price of freedom? Too fucking bad

    • Qokoni

      In particular, anyone who espouses the firm conviction that the unwillingly expectant should be forced to look at pictures of the fetus cells. I’m still flabbergasted at how some people care so much about the unborn but not at all about babies. I think if you want to buy a gun you should be forced to look at pictures of babies and children killed by gun violence, both deliberate and accidental.

  • tehbaddr

    “the military sometimes only reports violent crimes” does fracturing your infant son’s skull fall within their definition of violent?

  • Trump: “It’s about mental health…”

    Hey look. Trump was right after all (but not in the way he thinks)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/texas-church-shooting/amp/texas-gunman-devin-kelley-escaped-mental-health-facility-2012-n818496

    So of course you can see why we’d want to protect his access to these weapons…

    • Bad Scooter

      if he truly believes it’s about mental health, he’ll fund healthcare that includes psychiatric care within basic coverage and undo his executive order that reversed Obama’s “no guns for the mentally ill” plan.

      but he won’t, because he’s a bloated orange bag of hot air.

  • Mark Harper

    Can someone help me reconcile how Sarah Winchester was SO tormented by the “ghosts” of all the dead victims of her husband’s guns that she committed to building a house for 30 years while the NRA feels zero shame or remorse whenever people are senselessly massacred by a person with a gun? How do they look in the mirror? Fewer guns = fewer gun-related deaths. It. Just. Does.

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    To be fair, the disparity in gun deaths between Hawaii and Chicago could just be a weather thing.

    • JD Mulvey

      If I’m going to be gunned down, Hawaii sounds nicer.

  • Kooolest G

    you guys missed what trump was really saying. when asked if extreme vetting would have helped, he said the good guy wouldn’t have had a gun and the bad guy would have. so one can infer from that that fracturing a baby skull while beating your wife is not as bad as whatever this “good guy” apparently did

    • the_steamer

      Nah, he’s just repeating the canard that if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. The way their “plan” is panning out is the criminals, the good guys and everyone in between has a gun and the only ones actually doing any good are the ones that were always allowed to have guns in the first place: professionals and sportsmen that need the guns for work. In fact only 1-2% of the time does a non-professional citizen successfully defend themselves from the bad guy with the gun.

      You can even see how disappointed they are that an AR-15 with a bump stock and a 30 round mag wielded by a grandmother hasn’t been used to successfully defend a homestead from hordes of “urban” attackers.

      Some day, 1 in 100 mass killings- after we’ve already counted maybe 5,000 dead from assault weapons in 50+ attacks- someone is going to fend off a gang of MS-13 drug dealers or some such and they will crow so loud…

  • Cranky Man

    Annnnd, why was this person in the armed forces in the first place. Surely a competent psychologist could suss out that he way to gun ho.

    • the_steamer

      I had a roommate that had attempted suicide, shooting half his face apart. He was an aviation life support technician and was returned to duty after recovering. You would think he’d at least get retrained to a position where officers didn’t have to trust him with their lives. The military is sometimes irrational.

  • Delu

    It’s always Chicago, the favourite place for Trumpian gun humpers to point and say “se? Gun reulations, background checks and what not DON’T WORK! MOAR GUNZ!!!1111”

    Of course Chicago’s gun laws are far from the most airtight nowadays. Plus there’s also the Iron Pipeline.

  • Zyxomma

    I want this maladministration to end. With votes.

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      Sadly, we tried to be proactive about that with votes almost exactly a year ago and it didn’t work…so now maybe it should be “with un-gerrymandered, un-suppressed votes in the right districts.”

  • phoenix00

    I actually don’t blame DJT for this brain fart – yes he’s stupid, yes he’s woefully misinformed and undereducated, but he’s simply re-parroting the NRA and GOP party lines.

    I blame the NRA and GOP. Blood on their hands. Continually.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      So we can’t blame the person who is president because he espouses the views of others and “parrots” those views without a modicum of thought? I think there’s plenty of blame to go around, and he decidedly shares in it.

      • phoenix00

        Oh no doubt. I’m simply saying he shouldn’t get the lions share of it. I’d rather save my fire arrows for the GOP and the NRA.

    • the_steamer

      Trump was once pro-gun control. This is a conscious change of opinion and wholly Trump’s to own.

      • phoenix00

        No doubt. I’m not absolving him here, just simply saving my fire arrows for the GOP and the NRA that shovel him the party line.

  • JohnLindhe

    I like Andy Richter’s bit but he does get one thing wrong: Massachusetts is not surrounded by states with strict gun laws, both NH and Vermont have quite lax laws, as does Maine which is pretty close. In fact this comes up quite a lot, a good chunk of guns used in crimes in MA come from out of state.

  • TheTrue Pooka

    Nooooooooooo…Please don’t use that adorable ginger cat to represent shithead Trump.

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