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House Republicans know that right after a mass shooting is never the time to talk about guns (nor are all other times), so they are for the time being holding off from advancing a bill that would make it far easier for people to buy noise suppressing devices for firearms, commonly known as silencers. But because it is also Very Wrong to do anything political after a mass shooting, House Speaker Paul Ryan told reporters this has nothing to do with Sunday’s massacre in Las Vegas, no, how could you think such political thoughts:

That bill is not scheduled now; I don’t know when it’s going to be scheduled […] Right now we’re focused on passing our budget.

Please just don’t mention that last week the Republicans were looking forward to bringing the bill forward quickly to celebrate the return to Congress of Steve Scalise, who survived that shooting at a baseball practice in June. We might note that the House cancelled a committee hearing on the silencer bill scheduled for later the day of that shooting, non-politically. We might also note that during that event, the noise of the shooter’s unsuppressed gun made it easier for Capitol Police to find him and shoot back.

Also, a brief word on terminology: You have to call such a device a suppressor, because the gun-humping crowd insists anyone calling it a “silencer” is a know-nothing who’s incompetent to discuss firearms at all. Among the idiots who know nothing about guns? The text of the bill itself, where “silencer” is used throughout. In the tradition of rightwing trolls who say stuff purely to annoy liberals, we will therefore use “silencer” for the rest of this article. If any gun-humpers are triggered by that, they’ll just have to deal with it.

The silencer bill — or “Hearing Protection Act,” because really, it’s all about safety — was folded into a larger Gun Fun bill called the “Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement” (SHARE) Act, presumably because it would allow shooters to share bullets more easily among targets who might otherwise flee at the sound of loud gunshots. Currently, owning a silencer requires a special permit from ATF, and requires the same sort of background check and taxes required to buy fully automatic weapons or some explosives. The SHARE Act would make getting a silencer far easier, requiring only the quick automatic background checks needed for buying any other firearms bought from a dealer. (Presumably, that means they’d also fall through the same loophole as other weapons, so you could grab one at a gun show with no background check at all.)

In addition to the silencer provisions, the bill would also make it easier to take firearms across state lines and would reclassify some types of ammo as not “armor-piercing,” which would make it easier to purchase bullets that will go through a cop’s Kevlar vest, because after all, if government doesn’t fear lethal force from citizens, then why even have a Second Amendment?

In discussing the delay, Republicans were very careful to say we shouldn’t be talking about guns just now, because where is your sense of decorum?

House Rules Committee Chairman Pete Sessions (R-Tex.) acknowledged that the Las Vegas shooting was a “complicating issue” with the bill — though he did not rule out that it could come to the floor later in the current Congress.

“Nobody wants to bring up something when there’s something like that,” he said. “We wouldn’t want to bring up any difficult issue.”

Paul Ryan not only nixed Nancy Pelosi’s call for a bipartisan special committee on gun violence, but also rejected a proposal by Georgia Rep. John Lewis for a “show of unity and action to curb acts of gun violence.” Unity was apparently too divisive for Ryan’s taste:

“We were told in caucus today that the response was, if it has to do with policy, it was a nonstarter,” said Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Gun Violence Prevention Task Force.

Steve Scalise himself said, in an interview for Fox News, that any talk of doing something is entirely inappropriate:

Because first of all you’ve got to recognize that when there’s a tragedy like this, the first thing we should be thinking about is praying for the people who were injured and doing whatever we can to help them, to help law enforcement.

Republicans did hold a meeting Tuesday where they all agreed now is the time for thoughts and prayers, and nothing else:

“We all discussed the tragedy and certainly all of our thoughts and prayers go out to them, and that was pretty much the total extent of it,” said Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.).

Collins added that Congress ought to focus on mental health rather than gun restrictions: “We are not going to knee-jerk react to every situation. The Democrats continue to want to say, when a mentally deranged person does what they do, it’s the gun’s fault, not the shooter’s fault. . . . People focused on mayhem and the kind of evil this person was — in their heart, you can’t stop them. They will do it one way or the other. You can’t stop a mentally deranged person.”

Ryan also stuck to the “let’s talk about mental health instead” script, although there’s no indication that the Las Vegas shooter had a diagnosed mental illness:

“One of the things we’ve learned from these shootings is that often, underneath this, there is a diagnosis of mental illness,” Ryan said. “…Mental health reform is a critical ingredient to making sure that we can try to prevent some of these things from happening.”

Presumably, that would be the kind of mental health reform we’d get by repealing Obamacare, slashing Medicaid and Medicare, and making it easier for mentally incompetent folks to buy guns.

While the Las Vegas shooter didn’t apparently use a silencer, he had modified several of his semiautomatic rifles with “bump stocks” (also called “bump-fire stocks” and “idiot enhancement devices”) which use the recoil of the weapon to allow a high rate of fire that rivals a fully automatic weapon without violating federal laws against full-auto weapons, because the guns still fire only one shot per trigger pull. The bump stock allows far more trigger pulls than an unassisted human finger could ever manage. A number of Democrats are calling for a ban on bump stocks, which should drive a buying spree for the devices.

Since the NRA hasn’t yet threatened to rain death on any Republican who allows any limitations on firearms technology, a few Republicans have thrown electoral caution to the wind and said restrictions on bump stocks might be a good idea, like the chair of the House Freedom Caucus:

“You have to have a special class of license to have an automatic weapon, and so if this is something to bypass this, I think it becomes something that we obviously need to look at in the future,” Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) said. He added that the aftermath of a tragedy “is not the best time to look at any legislation.”

Good thing he got that “not the time” line in there, or he could have been in big trouble. Get ready for an onslaught of rapid-fire explanations of why everyday Americans absolutely must have bump-fire devices to keep America safe from tyranny, ISIS, and/or roving gangs of one scary black teenager in a hoodie.

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  • JohnBull

    “We need to come together as Americans and reject calls for unity.”
    – Paul Ryan

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    One small note: House Republicans know that any time is a great time to talk about guns. Immediately after a massacre is a bad time for non-Republicans to talk about regulating guns.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    Republicans are okay with unity, as long as it is the unity to do nothin’ about the problem.

  • Oblios_Cap

    “We wouldn’t want to bring up any difficult issue.”

    The only true thing I’ve ever heard form a Republican Congress Critter.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      The difficult issues tend to resolve themselves. Take slavery, for instance . . .

  • ManchuCandidate

    Considering the frequency of mass murders in US Amercia, never is the right time to talk about gun control.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Armor-piercing bullets: becuz that little shit of a squirrel has eaten my tomatoes for the last time.

  • Joe Beese

    New rule: Anyone offering “thoughts and prayers”, without bothering to come up with an at least slightly different wording, gets rapped across the knuckles with a ruler.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      I’m giving god the high, hard holler for ya.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      A cleaver…

    • jaspersdad

      On splinter yesterday they a count of politicians who had offered thoughts and prayers. 70 give or take, that had received contributions from the NRA.

  • Khavrinen

    “Don’t say anything to make them buy more guns. (They’ll do that anyway)”

    Enough guns?!? Unpossible!!!!

  • canes_pugnaces

    But don’t worry, it’ll be back. And it’ll pass.

  • GoutMachine

    I really, really don’t get it. Is the NRA really, actually that powerful? Just what is it with guns, anyway? I confess I’ve never had the desire to own a gun. Probably because I’m not an asshole ammosexual who has fantasies of … doing whatever it is they have fantasies of. I’m just a guy doing a thing.

    Anyway, I just don’t get why anyone needs a gun and why the NRA has everyone’s balls/ovaries in a vise. How did they get all the power anyway?

    • Oblios_Cap

      Money.

      • Beanz&Berryz

        And a narrative – steady and unvarying.

    • Courser_Resistance

      Yes, the NRA is that powerful, both in terms of dollars and membership.

      I own two handguns for personal protection and keep them in a safe. I grew up around guns and I enjoy practicing accurate shooting at a range from time to time. It’s a pretty good stress-reliever to put a tight group on paper. It’s just practicing a skill, like anything else. I do not have a concealed-carry license though I’ve trained for them a couple of times. If something goes down, more guns won’t help anything. I’ll concentrate on trying to save lives.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      We’ve mythologized guns. The minuteman with his flintlock picking off Redcoats at Lexington and Concord. Davy Crockett with his trusty musket Betsy. Wyatt Earp, Doc Holliday and Wild Bill Hickock quick-drawing their Colt Single-Action. Showdowns at high noon. Al Capone and the “Chicago Typewriter”. Patton and his ivory-handle revolvers. Pulp novels of two-fisted gumshoes who took care of criminal scum with their trusty .38 or .45. Then radio, television, movies, video games…heroes who always shot straight and true, mowing down mooks like crabgrass.

      • Three Finger Salute

        Hollywood isn’t “liberal” in the least either. Charlton fucking Heston is venerated as “Moses” like God himself handed down a pair of Uzis to be pried out of his cold dead hands. Then there’s the “good guy with a gun” trope in action movies — Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, Sylvester Stallone, even Schwarzenegger. It’s a reason why American cinema often gets derided as “exploding tits” by audiences in other countries. Thin, formulaic, predictable plot and characters, with lots and lots and lots and LOTS of explosions, gunfire, and of course unrealistically proportioned (white) women showing lots and lots and lots and LOTS of skin. Americans won’t sit for a BBC production of Shakespeare or a quirky Canadian comedy. Even Python is too “thinky” and the fucking Care Bears are too nice. We’ve gotten to a point where Star Wars is considered subversive communist propaganda because horror of horrors, one of the storm troopers is black.

        But this is the footprint that we leave all around the world — and all over everybody’s face. I’m really beginning to think that Hans Gruber was right. Our heroes have always been cowboys. We’re orphans of a bankrupt culture who idolize John Wayne, Rambo, and Marshall Dillon. Roy Rogers? He Triggers us because he was always partial to those Homo Sequens shirts. Don’t even get me started on how America hates Mister Rogers and proudly torches his cardigan sweater.

        • richardgrabman

          Well said.

  • Indiepalin

    Sounds like a perfect time to revisit health care. And maybe it’s time for the House to convene a committee to look into this Benghazi mess.

    • GoutMachine

      Seriously, why won’t anyone look into that Benghazi matter?

      • Indiepalin

        Not to mention Whitewater

        • Three Finger Salute

          What about Obama’s fancy Dijon ketchup? Won’t someone PLEASE think of the fanciest Dijon ketchup?

    • Sophia

      I heard there was some kind of e-mail thing went on too. That requires some investigation

  • jaspersdad

    Hearing Protection Act…………How can they even say that with a straight face.

    Fucking grifters, the lot of them.

    • Khavrinen

      To be fair, they do have a lot of practice lying with a straight face…

    • An Outhouse for the résistance

      Clean Skies, Healthy Forests …

    • Mr. Blobfish

      It’s easy when you think of that big, fat check the NRA givers your campaign.

  • canes_pugnaces
  • Scooby

    I heard that getting shot, on average, costs about 500,000 thoughts and prayers in medical bills.

    • canes_pugnaces

      Cost to the US economy => $229 billion thoughts and prayers each year. That’s 670-plus per person per annum. No big deal.

      • aureolaborealis

        This might be the only way to reach some of these people.

  • dslindc

    Of course, everything can only be about him:

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/915552743733030912

    • Oblios_Cap

      Everyday he’s in office is a sad day for the rest of us.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Im starting to think the only people Tillerson insulted by calling Trump a moron were morons.

    • Phoenixdoglover

      “We are all victims of this senseless tragedy. Melania and I are extremely tired from our travels. But it’s great to be in Vegas. This is great city, right?”

      • Celtic_Gnome

        2/10. Failed to mention Trump Las Vegas property.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Such tasteful shoes. Are those from Ivanka’s Massacree line?

  • Oblios_Cap

    I’m amazed that a Constitutional Amendment with the words “well-regulated” in the first clause means that there can be no regulations at all.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      You might want to avoid Fourth Amendment jurisprudence, then.

  • Iron Monkey

    “We wouldn’t want to bring up any difficult issue.”

    Spoken like a true Congress critter.

    • GoutMachine

      Y’know, maybe they should just stick to naming post offices. There, that’s not difficult enough for your pea-brains, is it?

      • Oblios_Cap

        “The Robert E. Lee Branch Post Office”?

        • GoutMachine

          Yeah, I withdraw my suggestion. Everything would be named Ronald Reagan. (And it’s National Airport, dammit!)

        • richardgrabman

          Surprised they haven’t named one for Charles Whitman yet.

        • Querolous

          “The Benedict Arnold Highway?”

  • bookish

    https://www.propublica.org/article/ivanka-donald-trump-jr-close-to-being-charged-felony-fraud

    In the spring of 2012, Donald Trump’s two eldest children, Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr., found themselves in a precarious legal position. For two years, prosecutors in the Manhattan District Attorney’s office had been building a criminal case against them for misleading prospective buyers of units in the Trump SoHo, a hotel and condo development that was failing to sell. Despite the best efforts of the siblings’ defense team, the case had not gone away. An indictment seemed like a real possibility. The evidence included emails from the Trumps making clear that they were aware they were using inflated figures about how well the condos were selling to lure buyers.

    In one email, according to four people who have seen it, the Trumps discussed how to coordinate false information they had given to prospective buyers. In another, according to a person who read the emails, they worried that a reporter might be onto them. In yet another, Donald Jr. spoke reassuringly to a broker who was concerned about the false statements, saying that nobody would ever find out, because only people on the email chain or in the Trump Organization knew about the deception, according to a person who saw the email.

    There was “no doubt” that the Trump children “approved, knew of, agreed to, and intentionally inflated the numbers to make more sales,” one person who saw the emails told us. “They knew it was wrong.”

    • canes_pugnaces

      The disgusting part of this story (they are known scum buckets) is that Cy Vance the NYC DA took bribes from Trump’s lawyer and in a quid pro quo threw out the counts… not to worry, though, he gave the bribes back after he was caught,.

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        oh well, that makes it all better than. Can bank robbers do that? Drug dealers?
        ffs.

        • canes_pugnaces

          Yes, you’ll see that a lot in district courts. Your honor, I have $25 dollars, can I have the drug charges excused?

      • Mr. Blobfish

        Bribe is such a cruel word. Call is a rebate!

      • pstokk

        It’s get better. A new bribe, sorry mean election donation, was made to him a few months later by Donny’s lawyer. Now he claims he’s going to pay back that one too. Although, he notes, “it’s entirely legal”.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Their all fucking crooks. I wouldn’t be surprised if they stole from each others piggy banks when they were young.

    • Covfefe’s Evil Twin

      Grifters gotta grift.

  • Baconzgood

    “Nobody wants to bring up something when there’s something like that,” he said. “We wouldn’t want to bring up any difficult issue.”

    Ladies and gentlemen, your Republican philosophy of governing.

    • Oblios_Cap

      “The stupidest way of governing is the best way”

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Can we please switch the name back to the Washington Bullets? The name change was supposed to stop gun violence and it clearly hasn’t worked and I’ll be damned if that expensive Wes Unseld jersey is gonna sit in the closet forever.

  • An Outhouse for the résistance

    You know who else calls them ‘silencers’? The company that makes them:
    SilencerCo designs and manufactures industry-leading gun suppressors. Visit our site to shop the best silencers available for pistols, rifles, and more.

  • Dept. of Space Tacos

    “They will do it one way or the other. You can’t stop a mentally deranged person.”

    It’s been said a thousand times, and I’m sure down below, but for consistency’s sakes: “Common sense gun control means MENTALLY DERANGED KILLERS WOULD KILL LESS PEOPLE, LESS FUCKING QUICKLY.”

    Ahem, sorry for the yelling.

    ““Nobody wants to bring up something when there’s something like that,”

    Given that these events are so fucking frequent, maybe there will never be an appropriate time to bring up these bills. That sounds shitty and it is, but ye god, if we can’t get some assistance, maybe having these dicks be unable to bring up or pass these loosenings of restrictions is the best we can hope for with this congress.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      This is why worrying about the killer’s motive is nonsense. It’s just a way to say *shrug* “nothing we could do. He was nuts.”

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        yup. well, and this serves to further stigmatize people with mental health issues as being dangerous. I’ve seen stats saying we are occasionally more at risk to become a victim than to commit a crime.

        • Dept. of Space Tacos

          i should have said more at risk than to commit violence.

          I dunno what our percentage criminals in general are.

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          It’s deflection, nothing more. If 30,000 people got beat to death with baseball bats every year, we’d regulate them and require kids to get a fucking psych eval before they could join a Little League team.

        • Three Finger Salute

          Yup, that’s why I basically became a leper in self-imposed exile. I know I’m incurable. But it doesn’t matter how much I say “I’ll never hurt a fly.” Norman Bates said that and he was “Psycho.” The movie was all about the particular trait that made him do what he did. Not “Bow-Legged” or “Cross-Eyed” but “Psycho.” That show on CBS isn’t called “Criminal Pancreases” either. It’s “Criminal Minds.”

          I can’t ever literally understand what gay people must feel like hiding in the closet, but I can relate in such a way that I know what it feels like to have an “invisible” biological condition you’re born with that renders you an outcast in society and causes people to hate you, so you “hide your love away” as John Lennon said.

          The Reagan era caused straight people to associate gay people with AIDS, and to hate them even more than they already did. AIDS cases are only going to go up the more Republicans slash healthcare spending and amp up the “religious freedom” bullshit. Our failure to do anything about guns after both he and John Lennon got shot has only caused “sane people” to associate “crazy people” with shooting tragedies. Shooting tragedies are only going to go up the more Republicans slash gun restrictions and amp up the “Second Amendment freedom” bullshit. The problem isn’t gay people or mentally ill people in either case, obviously. The problem is Republicans, the party of hate. But they are winning, and they’re not tired of winning, because, well, David vs. Goliath was only a story in the Bible.

          The more these massacres keep happening, and the more the NRA decides to deflect the onus to a vulnerable scapegoat population instead of being held accountable, the more I’ll just have to hide my mind away and imagine there’s no gunfire. You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.

      • GoutMachine

        Precisely. Stolen from a friend’s Facebook post:

        1. Motive doesn’t matter. Solidarity with international terrorism or mental disorder: the issue is the ability to kill many people, from a distance, in a short amount of time.

        2. The time to talk is now, because calling for “understanding” the situation puts the importance on the motivation, which, see 1. And remember, it’s actually LAW that the federal government is prevented from much scientific study of the problem. If you want to wait to get more info, either go pay for it, demand your lawmaker not kowtow to the NRA, or acknowledge that you like access to guns more than you like people.

        3. There are mass shootings every day in the US, on average. We are not making policy in the immediate aftermath of a horror. We are ignoring an ongoing epidemic and pretending there’s just nothing to be done.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Yup, Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. But guns sure make it a hell of a lot easier to kill a lot of people in a hurry.

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        that’s what I always say.
        Look right wingers, I can either chop up my cauliflower with a knife or I could put it in a food processor and reduce it to tiny bits and seconds.

        Do you see our fucking point now?

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          Knives are dangerous?

          • Oblios_Cap

            You’re an elitist what eats cauliflowers?

          • Dept. of Space Tacos

            it’s good (wiht ranch dressing) and cheap!

            This isn’t kale, after all.

          • aureolaborealis

            OK. Just stay away from that arugula.

          • Ill-Advised

            Brussels sprouts or GTFO.

  • GoutMachine

    I swear to Christ, I need every journalist in the country to print out a picture of a gun violence victim – from Sunday, from Sandy Hook, whatever; you have zillions to choose from – and the next time any Republican says anything about guns, hold it up to them and say, “Is [X’s] right to life less important than the right to own a semi-automatic weapon? Yes or no, Congressman.”

    And then repeat: “Yes or no, Congressman?” ad nauseum.

    • jesterpunk

      BillO said it is and republicans proved after Sandy Hook that guns are more important then kids.

    • Courser_Resistance

      They didn’t care when it was the Newtown kids. Held up pictures of the adorable, little tykes, now all dead, in Congress. Rethugs didn’t give a single, stone-cold shit. If nothing happened in reaction to that, nothing will.

      We’re all doomed to die in a hail of Angry White Man gunfire, but we’ll never know when. Some day, some time, there will be a bullet with our name on it. The balance of life is waiting for it.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        The one with my name on it doesn’t scare me. It’s the one addressed “To Whom It May Concern” that I don’t care for.

        • pstokk

          “Return to Sender” could prove useful.

    • canes_pugnaces

      They could care less. The GOP, and a good portion of this country are craven sociopaths.

    • GoutMachine

      Or, maybe a better question is to ask them, “Please tell me WHY a gun is more important than little Susie’s right to life” (phrase chosen deliberately).

  • MynameisBlarney
  • bubbuhh

    You know a perfectly legal way to silence yore gun? Shove it up yore azz.

  • therblig

    Dear God: Please heal the wounded and stop this from happening again. Amen.

    ok, that took about 8 seconds. now can we talk about guns?

  • Mr. Blobfish

    What I don’t get is how LEOs will always vote Republican, even though those same Republicans want to give the public more toys that make ventilating LEOs much easier.

    • Oblios_Cap

      The GOP lets them get away with abusing citizens, which is much more important to them. Being a policeman is not terribly unsafe, despite what you hear all of the time.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      Ex husband the cop said it as well as I’ve ever heard it: “Conservatives say nice things about us but they’re stingy with the money. Democrats hate us, but they give us money to do our jobs”. Some people, like the younger me, liked sweet nothings.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    I see no problem with legalizing silencers. Hit men and assassins are classy. Not like those vulgar mass murderers.

  • Rags

    Repeating from an earlier thread. It’s the Sportsman’s Heritage And Recreational Enhancement Act – SHAREA

  • Sophia

    “Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement” (SHARE) Act, presumably because it would allow shooters to share bullets more easily among targets who might otherwise flee at the sound of loud gunshots.

    Best explanation I’ve seen for the name of the Act.

    • canes_pugnaces

      WRONG => SHAREA…

  • jesterpunk
  • BigCSouthside

    “Hearing protection”.

    What horse shit.

    A silencer is designed to conceal the position of a shooter. That’s it. Hearing protection is bullshit ad jargon.

    I can pay 10 bucks for some really good earplugs OR I can pay 800 for a gun that accepts a silencer and then pay a grand for the silencer

    Wonder what the NRA prefers…

    • jesterpunk

      Ear plugs work for J Mascis and his guitar rig is loud as shit, why won’t they work for shooters?

      • BigCSouthside

        I shoot competion shotguns a lot (the pretty double barreled Italian ones at flying orange discs). I have a pair of kick ass ones that can still allow you to hear conversation AND ambient noise but dampen gunshots to levels that don’t hurt

        14 dollars.

        • jesterpunk

          But how does that help gun manufacturers? But yeah really their whole argument really makes no sense.

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Gun sales were down. Time to move some tacticool merchandise.

      • BigCSouthside

        like bump stocks, which I didn’t know were a thing until Maddow the other night.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Well, ya know, it’s not like rich guys go shooting up crowds of… Hold on, what?

      Never mind.

      • HooverVilles

        ^^^^THIS^^^^THIS^^^^THIS^^^^

    • HooverVilles

      Shhhhh!

  • Frederick Cass

    The democrats in Congress should shut down the legislature until a bill on gun control is on the floor and being debated. Make the NRA critters do their damage in public.

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      after the sit in by the dems after (which shooting, I seriously forget. Orlando?), the Republicans passed (or tried to pass) senate rules saying you could no longer do that as it dispects the senate or some shit.

      They REALLY don’t want to talk about this issue.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        It was Orlando.

        • jesterpunk
          • Dept. of Space Tacos

            dear god, that was bad. Is it possible trump is actually learning.
            (Checks news).
            Nope.

          • Celtic_Gnome

            Once again, he lies. He wanted the congrats. He wanted that more than anything in the world.

      • Frederick Cass

        A sit in is symbolic, refusing to allow anything to pass and gumming up the works is real.

    • Courser_Resistance

      As the minority party we can do exactly Jack and Squat. ZEGS will just shut down the House, shut off the lights and sanction the Dems like they did the last time. It’s a nice photo-op but not productive in any real way.

      • Dept. of Space Tacos

        you know, if the Repukes wanna shut down the government over the debt ceiling, I think we could do the same and have the moral ground.

      • Frederick Cass

        Last time, all they did was a sit in. They need sixty votes to do anything in the Senate. There are plenty of ways to throw the wooden shoes into the machinery if the dems had the guts.

    • shivaskeeper

      How wold we know the difference in a lege that is shut down deliberately and the current one?

      • Frederick Cass

        In the current congress anything that gets done is for the Rethugs. Better nothing gets done, as that is the only way the issue of gun control get heard and debated. Until we break the hold of the corporatist son Congress, we will not have a democracy.

  • MynameisBlarney
  • Anna Elizabeth Tank Grrl

    Now, just Whom would have ever thought that allowing ordinary people to buy military-grade small arms with accessories designed to increase the lethality of said weapons would come back to bite us?

    • wait! what?

      Alternative:

      Gee, how did we shoot ourselves in the foot with this decision?

    • tomamitai

      The people who made the first four words of the 2nd amendment “A well regulated Militia”?

      • shivaskeeper

        Which is now the National Guard. They are the well regulated militia.

      • Anna Elizabeth Tank Grrl

        Indeed. Somehow, I don’t think Yahoos with full automatic Assault Rifles are what George and Tom and Ben had in mind.

    • shivaskeeper

      It doesn’t come back to bite “us” though. Not often anyway. It comes back to bite “them” far more often so it’s not really a problem. Pick your own “them” to fill in there.

    • HooverVilles

      Really, what could possibly go wrong with that?

  • An Outhouse for the résistance

    “the aftermath of a tragedy “is not the best time to look at any legislation.””

    Is that the new GOP excuse to not do anything ever?

    • canes_pugnaces

      Except if it happens to be muslims doing the killing, in which case you want to spend 4 trillion dollars to stop them.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      It’s like the abusive, lying spouse- “Now is not the time to talk about those text messages because you’re really upset and you need to calm down”.

  • wait! what?

    Suppressor: use a variation in a sentence.

    Gerrymandering suppresses first amendment rights, but it wishes it could silence them.

  • shivaskeeper

    Oh good. More thoughts and prayers. This time from the highest levels of government. That should be far more effective than the local thoughts and prayers. We have top men working on this. Top. Men.

    With regards to the terminology used, it’s not so important at the layperson level, but it is far more important at the legal level. Clips and magazines are very different things in design and functionality even though the terms tend to be used interchangeably. Putting legal restrictions on clips does nothing the address magazines. The original assault rifle ban essentially banned a class of weapons that looked scary: pistol grips, bayonet lugs, certain styles of magazine, etc. However it did nothing to address other weapons that had the same functionality as in magazine fed semi-auto rifles, fired the same cartridges, had the same effective ranges, and on and on. That is stupid. That is the result of writing legislation with faulty data.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      The answer is study the issue carefully and restrict weapons that kill lots of people quickly. They’re designed for warfare and don’t have any other purpose.

      • shivaskeeper

        I understand that. Probably better than most. The military was my career.

        What I am saying is anything that is passed has to be thought out. Small loopholes are part of any major legislation. It’s inevitable due to unforeseen circumstances. Leaving large, glaring loopholes in from the outset is a waste of time and energy.

        Also, forcing local municipalities to enforce the laws on the books. For instance, if I deliberately shoot my child and kill him, I will be arrested and charged. I will go to trial and mostly likely go to jail for a long time. However if I “accidentally” shoot my child because I forgot the gun was loaded, well… it was an accident and I have suffered enough already so no charges will be filed. That is bullshit. There are no accidents with gun. None. There is only negligence. Negligence can be criminal and needs to be treated as such.

        • Rebel Scum with permit

          California for one has a law like that on the books. I hate reading how when a gun is left out on a nightstand, or sitting on a table, or in a car, and a child kills themselves or another person, it’s an act of God.
          I understand because I was a stressed out single parent that went through some very tough times, that it only takes 30 seconds of not watching them constantly for something terrible to happen, but that’s just crazy.
          And my pet rant is WTF is going on that these people have to be armed and have loaded weapons all over the house anyway? Did they piss off some cartel? Are they in a witness protection program?
          On one side of their mouths they are bragging they don’t lock their doors, on the other side they are constantly armed.

          • BigCSouthside

            I don’t get it either. Im not even sure why most casual shooters store ammo at the house. I get if you have a lot of land and do critter control and what not, but if you’re just a casual plinker or occasional hunter just buy the shit you need for each trip.

            Oh I forgot, we have had a persistent propaganda campaign that says you need “home defense” weapons to be safe

          • shivaskeeper

            It is one of my huge peeves. There are no accidents with guns. There cannot be. When those “accidents” aren’t treated as the crimes they are, there are no real repercussions for anyone to not be negligent. None. If tow of my neighbors “accidentally” fire off a few rounds and nothing happens to them legally speaking, I have no incentive to take any extra care as nothing is going to happen to me legally speaking.

            That helps to foster this prevailing attitude that guns are some kind of toy. That they don’t need to be taken seriously. That there are no ramifications of fucking up with one. That even if there is harm, there is still no foul. That’s bullshit. I managed to carry one or more weapons around over the span of eight deployments and never had an “accident”. None of the people I trained had any “accidents” while they served with me. Because I treated, and trained my people to treat, the weapons as the lethal tools they are. If I, or they, had fucked up there were a whole range of legal options that could and would be used to deal with it depending on the severity. That is something that is severely lacking in the general civilian world.

          • Rebel Scum with permit

            I am a veteran also, although I was never anywhere near combat and don’t have your expertise. My experience with the military is they strive to come up with systems to make things Idiot proof, especially when it comes to the handling, operation, and storage of weapons. The civilian world gives idiots free rein.

          • tomamitai

            “The civilian world gives idiots free rein.”
            A minority of civilians made an idiot Commander in Chief.

          • shivaskeeper

            First, never qualify being a vet with combat or not. You served, you are a vet. Full stop.

            Second, idiot proof is right. The various levels of checks and safeties on weapons would absolutely boggle the mind of the average civilian. Even with all that, people still fuck up. The big difference, in my experience, is the Army takes negligence seriously. That of course would also boggle the mind of the average civilian.

        • BigCSouthside

          We are really fond of mandatory minimums for drugs. I’m all for some severe mandatory minimums for breaking gun laws

          • shivaskeeper

            I don’t even know if mandatory minimums would be needed. Just enforce what is on the books already. From noise ordinances on up. Fucking up with a weapon needs to be painful. It needs to be life altering whenever possible. Until it is, there will be no change in the basic attitudes about them.

  • bookish

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-update-russia-investigation-expected-today/story?id=50274845

    New findings from the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election are expected to be made public today.

    Sens. Richard Burr, R-N.C., and Mark Warner, D-Va., are set to announce an update on the committee’s investigation, with Burr telling ABC News earlier this week that it will be “a detailed update.”

    “I think we will address a lot of things on Wednesday at our press conference,” Burr said. “I won’t tell you that it’s going to be a preliminary report, but I think we’ll get into things that we’re either close to closing the book on or we have closed the book on. It’ll go into pretty good depth on the elections and talk a little bit about where we go from here.”

    • Joe Beese

      #FakeNews

  • Baconzgood

    “Japan bombed Pearl Harbor but now isn’t the time to talk about going to war.”

    -Roosevelt-

    • Lance Thrustwell

      ^^^THIS^^^

    • Phoenixdoglover

      “We have nothing to fear, but action.”

    • HooverVilles

      Ah, good old republican logic.

  • Anna Elizabeth Tank Grrl

    Y’alls know I check the Conspiracy-types on youTube, I like to see what the consensus is amongst the Lunatics.

    Mind Control False Flag Crisis Actors to take away OURGUNZ, Y’all! I can also never forget that these types say I am either a Demon or a Mind Controlled Assassin-in-Waiting, and that Katy Perry et al. are also too Illuminati Sex Slaves.

    And they all vote *R*.

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      i love how it’s ALWAYS a false flag – just one false flag after another…well if its a white dude.
      IF it’s a brown dude, it’s TERRORISMS!

      And given the frequency of false flags (ahhh, alluring alliteration), you’d think the government would see how ineffective it is.

      Or that whole argument is just stupid. These people to need to stop and take stock, “why I am constantly defending bad people doing bad things with an implausible theory? Maybe it’s real.” (Remember they IMMEDIATELY claimed the Charlottesville driver was a lib or a false flag person).

      • Anna Elizabeth Tank Grrl

        Yup. I think it’s easier to have Someone to Blame than take responsibility for your own life and your own choices.

        I was raised on Conspiracy Theory. It took decades to get out of that line of thought,and I still have to work at it. It helped when I Came Out, and realized all the Conspiracy people I knew think that Queers are part of the Conspiracy.

        Clearly they have never tried to get more than 3 Queers to agree on where to have lunch.

        • Dept. of Space Tacos

          the last part made laugh…thanks!
          I got start getting ready for work, now I’m going less angry ; D

          • Anna Elizabeth Tank Grrl

            ~hugs~

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          Lol.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Yup. If you’re crazy, bigoted, or stupid (these are not mutually exclusive categories), I would put the chance that you vote Republican (if you vote at all) well above 80%.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      They keep saying that yet no one has taken their guns yet. I’m losing my patience.

      • Anna Elizabeth Tank Grrl

        Obama was the worst damned Left-Wing Communist Dictator-4-Life EVERS!

    • jaspersdad

      Gawd, there’s a wing nut on the CBC site who will not stop with the conspiracy theories.

      I mean settle for one at least.

      • Anna Elizabeth Tank Grrl

        Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory – they are *All* True, even the evidently-conflicting parts.

        • jaspersdad

          And anything that disproves a conspiracy theory is obviously part of the conspiracy theory.

          • Anna Elizabeth Tank Grrl

            Of course!

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      Two words for you, my friend, “Silkwood shower.”

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    “That bill is not scheduled now; I don’t know when it’s going to be scheduled […] Right now we’re focused on passing our budget.”

    Fuck you lying Ryan. Here’s an idea for your fucking budget, replace the words “tax cut” with “thoughts and prayers” so you, the other republican’ts and your wealthy owners will get exactly what the victims of gun violence and their families get from Congress.

  • janecita
    • GoutMachine

      Stupid librul with your “facts” and “statics.” Freedumb!

    • jesterpunk

      So your saying Wyoming is the most polite state in the US?

      • Oblios_Cap

        Harry Whittington thinks so.

    • Joe Beese

      Guess all the responsible gun owners we keep hearing about are in South Dakota.

    • Oblios_Cap

      I would have thought Florida would be higher.

      • janecita

        I was surprised about Texas.

      • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

        Lots of retired folks with bad aim.

      • Joe Beese

        Nevada… who’da thunk it?

      • wait! what?

        Florida man has come coordination issues from all of the bath salt abuse.

      • Professor Fate

        The times I’ve been in Florida it would seem their weapon of choice was a huge car especially if you’re walking in a parking lot.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Me too, what with the famous “Florida man” running around.

    • jaspersdad

      Amazing that Canadians have one of the higher rates of ownership, yet don’t go around shooting everyone in sight.

    • TundraGrifter

      But…but… CHICAGO!

    • Khavrinen

      I’ve been saying for some time now that Trump should change his slogan from “Make America Grate Again” to “It’s Just A Coincidence”, because that’s what they always say about “fake news” items like this.

  • jesterpunk

    “Well since the planes just took down the twin towers in NYC now is not the time to talk about attacking any country.”

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Suppressor. Cute. Say ‘silencer’ and everyone knows what you’re talking about so fuck the right off.

  • Phoenixdoglover
    • jaspersdad

      Where’s the fun in that!

      • BigCSouthside

        It’s kinda fun twisting them up and feeling the expand in your ear

    • Courser_Resistance

      Jesus, I have so many of those! I like the ones with a leash between ’em. I think they’re called Skull Screws.

  • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

    On NPR this morning I heard an interview with a man whose daughter was injured in the Vegas shooting.

    He reaffirmed that he stands by the second amendment, and does NOT support gun control efforts.

    Republicans display a depraved indifference to human life (even their own lives or the lives of their loved ones). Once someone is that far gone, I doubt there’s any way to reach them.

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      make it easier to get shot than get treated for being shot.

      Your Conservative politicians everyone.

    • MynameisBlarney

      I heard that too.
      What a fucking idiot.

      • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

        Listening to the BBC’s coverage of mass shootings in America made me want to pull off the road and scream for a while.

        • MynameisBlarney

          I have developed the skill to rage-scream and drive at the same time.

          • Courser_Resistance

            I had to give up rage-screaming while driving because it was scaring my Lyft passengers

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            We’ll all scream here, together.

    • Three Finger Salute

      The terrifying thing is that they’re eligible to vote — and they do, every time. Liberals need to get off the couch and stop with the “they all suck” crap.

    • Phoenixdoglover

      Let’s hear from the daughter.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      Charlie Pierces argument makes the most sense here- it’s a religion, with a fear based boogeyman. “I had to sacrifice my child to the sun god, but it was worth it to make sure we get enough rain for the harvest”. You can’t reason with cult members.

      • Dept. of Space Tacos



        That is actually the best explanation I’ve ever heard of this phenomenon.

      • Mr. Blobfish

        His call to gun owners who support common sense regulation to stand up against the NRA is righteous.

      • Robyn Ryan

        In Christian dogma, a white man is god.
        As Christianity wanes, the divine status of white men is challenged.
        Guns are used as a prop to regain the sense of white male dominion.
        Fear and deference at any cost.
        Any restrictions on guns are restrictions on their divinity.

    • DainBramage

      It’s a cult.

    • Everrett Fanuelli

      “I completely support everyone’s right to shoot my daughter”- Idiot Father

      • Robyn Ryan

        “My white penis extension is more important than any female!”

        • Ill-Advised

          Sure. He can just “make” more, right?

          Oh, wait…

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Steve Fucking Scalise was actually fucking shot in a fucking mass shooting and still won’t fucking change his fucking mind. It’s fucking insane.

      • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

        They’re so fucking greedy they’d die to make a buck.

        That’s as corrupt and crazy as a person can get, and they’ve been put in charge of our lives by other crazy people.

    • Zombishroom

      Unfortunately, they aren’t the only ones in the line of fire.

  • Phoenixdoglover

    “Officer, now is not the time to be investigating this car accident. Please contact me in a week or so after we have had a time to consider the matter.”

    • wait! what?

      …and don’t start with me on my alcoholism…

  • DainBramage

    Gun suppressors / silencers: No. It’s better to know where the shots are coming from.
    Motorcycle suppressors / silencers: Yes. Seriously, why are some of them so effin’ loud?

    • Dept. of Space Tacos

      oh god help you if you live in a big city and a motorcycle drives down the street – fucking things echo off the buildings and make it worse.

      My dad was a biker, but dear lord do I hate those loud thing. I saw one of those tv biker builder guys (jesse james?) he built a big that had a muffler that tilted upward at roughly 45 degrees – he said it was to piss people in the mini van next to him in traffic.

      What a dick.

    • Anna Elizabeth Tank Grrl

      Honestly, a lot of motorcyclists tune for noise to try and make car drivers pay attention.

      It doesn’t seem to help, but I guess you gotta try something.

    • Robyn Ryan

      To attract young men.

    • marxalot

      Because the number one thing a car driver says when he sideswipes a biker and kills him is “I didn’t know he was even there!”

  • WeaselPoo

    Is it too soon to talk about the mental health of mass-murderer enabling Republicans?

  • jesterpunk

    If ear plugs work well enough for J Mascis when he stands right in front of 3 100 watt guitar heads running all the way up it will work for people shooting.

    https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/v1455575581/zfvimdlgzygvnwc09ipe.jpg

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Mariah Carey’s boobs make excellent hearing protectors.

    • wait! what?

      The right one is good friends with the left one; you might say they’re “busties.”

  • elviouslyqueer

    “Can’t we stop all this needless political talk about suppressing gun owners rights to mow down scads of people and focus on the real issue of NFL players kneeling and disrespecting the national anthem?”

    — AOT, K (R)

    • jesterpunk

      What about that ESPN lady who hurt Trump’s feelings? The one they want fired.

  • Bright Bart

    i think passing tax cuts for millionaires will help us heal as a nation.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      Said every elected republican ever.

  • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher
    • MynameisBlarney

      Ben Garrison is dumber’n a box o’ hammers.

    • lindser

      this makes me love Hills all the more. Also, is mother’s dress above the knee? SCANDALOUS!

      • Daniel

        Though that’s not shading on her legs.

        • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

          Grass stains?!

          How dare Hillary disturb their post-bj refractory period!

    • Daniel

      A moment of silence achieving so very much there.

      • doingthis1moretime

        Maybe that is what the silencers are for, so we don’t have to hear the people dying. It is really inconvenient to their profits to have to deal with all that nonsense.

        • willi0000000

          that’s the ticket! . . . if you see someone who was just shot, jamb a silencer in their mouth . . . they’ll be less of a bother that way!

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        Trump Prayers are Very Powerful! The Powerfullest! Hurricane Whatever-The-Last-One-Was-Called would have been so much worse if it wasn’t for his prayers! Bigly worse!

    • janecita

      So, basically, she is calling for action, and the Trump administration isn’t doing shit? It seems accurate to me.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        He’s so stupid, he ends up saying the opposite of what he intends.

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          You have to be sane, thus not his target audience to see it.

    • elviouslyqueer

      Ben Garrison: making Mallard Fillmore look positively erudite by comparison.

      • Oblios_Cap

        Along with Lisa Benson.

    • Oblios_Cap

      When Trumpy was standing there, he was rocking around like a kid that had to pee. Is he incapable of standing still?

    • Joe Beese

      This guy… what a character.

    • shivaskeeper

      Ben Garrison bringing the crazy. Always bringing the crazy.

    • Zombishroom

      He really does have a talent for explaining the mind of the RWNJ.

    • Professor Fate

      Silence = consent to the GOP

    • bbayliss

      holy shit, that’s stupid, even for him.

    • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

      I’m with her.

    • Lurkylu

      i dont see the problem with this cartoon. the only thing i dispute is that Melania would wear such a matronly dress.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        I never scroll down… great minds and all that.

    • Lurkylu

      in other words, hell yes, beat that drum Hillary– we will take leadership from anyone who has a fucking backbone right now.

    • aureolaborealis

      Ben Garrison is a known idiot.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      He draws that like it’s a bad thing.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      I really hate this guy. Like a moment of silence is going to fix-anything! And Melania’s dress is longer than mother’s? Fake news.

      • Lurkylu

        and notice trump is taller than everyone. i dont know this cartoonist but he seems like a successful propagandist. also note trumps hands…..no tiny hands! you have tiny hands!

        • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

          Propaganda cartoonist indeed, he reminds me of the “yellow-journalism cartoons.”

  • Daniel

    It’s important not to blame guns for what gunmen do.

    It’s the gunman’s fault, no one else’s.

    Remember, we’re talking about murder, not rape.

    • Covfefe

      If bombs are outlawed. . . .

    • doingthis1moretime

      It is important to remember that guns aren’t people, and this is the stupidest fucking argument. If guns are so harmless load one of them fuckers up and hand it to the nearest toddler. It won’t hurt anyone amirite?

  • Beanz&Berryz

    I think the Wonk is saving up space to write about Trump’s sure-to-be Terrible LV comments…

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      He’ll read from a script, and invoke God and the bibble a bunch of times and everyone will say that he set the right tone.
      Or maybe he’ll throw guns into the crowd- “You get a gun! And you get a gun…”

      • pstokk

        Nah he’ll probably start by plugging his hotel. Noting all the windows are intact, no police crawling all over it. If anyone is looking for a really classy place to stay.

  • Bright Bart

    well what those dumb stupid nazi-tards (what is the opposite of libtards?) don’t know is suppressor is used only in conjunction with erection, as in “That Ted Cruz sure is an erection suppressor” what is an erection silencer? I do not know. and magnets, how the fuck do they even work?

  • Donkey Option

    Maybe we need to start a campaign to call all of these representatives who won’t vote on gun control and ask them, every since day, “is today too soon to talk about gun control?” Every single day. “hey, it’s been one week since the last massacre, is it still too soon? Hey, it’s been 23 days since the last massacre, is it still too soon? Hey, it’s been 3 hours since the last massacre, but 32 days since the one before that, is it still too soon?” Kind of like the kid in the back seat asking “are we there yet?” ad nauseum.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      Now is not the space-time expansion to discuss this.

    • shivaskeeper

      So far there have 277 days this year. As of two days ago, day 275, there were 273 mass killings in this country. Mass killing is defined as three or more people killed in a public place and mass murder as four or more. There is no legal definition of mass shooting though.

      It’s always too soon.

      • shivaskeeper

        Reply to myself. That should have read mass shootings, not mass killings. Mass shooting is unofficially four or more shot or killed.

  • SayItWithWookies

    If we took reasonable action to combat gun violence, we’d be falling right into the UN’s Agenda 21 trap. Next thing you know, we’ll have bike paths and green spaces, and it’ll be the end of America as we know it.

    • HooverVilles

      Can’t have a nice place to live in don’tcha know?

  • Ωbjectifier

    “We are not going to knee-jerk react to every situation.”
    When a lunatic mows down hundreds with machine gun fire from a luxury suite in a Vegas high-rise, it is the perfect time for knee jerk reaction.
    For fuck sake.

    • Professor Fate

      “We are not going to knee-jerk react to every situation”

      Which in a case of sick irony is their Knee Jerk reaction to this.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        This message is bought to you by “knee-jerks ‘R’ Us”.

    • jesterpunk

      THAT IS ALL TRUMP HAS BEEN DOING ANYTIME HE LITTLE FEELINGS GET HURT.

      • willi0000000

        short bursts . . . SHORT BURSTS . . . if you run your keyboard in weaponized mode for too long it can burn out.

        • jesterpunk

          Sorry they make me a little angry sometimes.

          • willi0000000

            no apology necessary . . . just trying to save the equipment.

            [ . . . and a service call . . . they can be dangerous, you never know who might be threatened by a service guy open-carrying a keyboard ]

  • notanncoulter

    i’m sorry republican congresscritters, i’m having trouble understanding, can you say that again without wayne lapierre’s cock in your mouths?

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    Have you ever noticed how inconvenient Reality is all the time?
    Sincerely, the “modern” RNC.

  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

    The silencer bill — or “Hearing Protection Act,” because really, it’s all about safety

    Fox News’ Lisa Boothe: Democrats Are ‘The Worst Of Society’ For Discussing Gun Safety

  • Relativicus

    Good thing noise-canceling headphones still exist, though I’m certain there’s a Very Good Reason why those are inadequate and uncomfortable and unwieldy, and why making silencers more readily available is the only answer.

    • marxalot

      They make you look dorky! Action hero guys never have to run around wearing clunky ear protectors! Waugh, blaugh, all fantasies matter.

      • willi0000000

        see: Michael Dukakis in a tank.

    • (((Alt-Sedagive)))

      Don’t give in to Big Headphone!

    • lroom

      Also too earplugs.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    I will venture to say something here: people keep saying that nothing will convince the GOP and majority of gunhumpers to agree to serious gun control legislation. I think that may be inaccurate. Australia outlawed guns after the Port Arthur massacre, where 35 people were killed, or about .0002% of the population at that time. It just might take a massacre of a similar scale to make the US take similar measures. How big would such a massacre have to be?

    About 600 people.

    • Ωbjectifier

      Missed it by that much.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      I agree. Unfortunately it will take an event horrific enough, but I don’t even want to think about what that would be.

    • BigCSouthside

      I think by far the biggest challenge is that we already let this genie out of the bottle.

      Go to a gun store. Most popular gun type? Easily the AR or AK types. Half the rifle/shotgun rack will be those, and you can bet that they get the most shopper attention. Whole aisles of accessories for them too. Most popular pistol type? Probably semi auto 10:1 over revolvers.

      There are actual tons of these things scattered around homes all over the country.

      We really fucked up when we normalized these things.

      • marxalot

        You know, I really appreciate the aesthetics of the revolver. I think machine pistols (except the Mauser box cannon/schnellfeuer) and guns are ugly in a way that transcends morality. Just as objects, they’re loathesome. I’ll never own a gun because I absolutely shouldn’t have one, but there’s a certain heavy grace to the double-action revolver as a designed object that is utterly lacking in the tools of automated barbarism.

        • BigCSouthside

          I’m partial to the old single actions. Reliable, good camp or trail guns, will do anything a civilian user needs to do.

          Oh and you can’t really rapid fire them and they take a fucking year to reload compared to the mag fed semis

          • marxalot

            I like disassembling them and making them into decontextualized objects. It’s almost surreal to see something so ubiquitiously represented as whole, broken down to its constituent parts. Almost like a body on the autopsy table.

        • Lance Thrustwell

          I think swords are pretty amazing. a well-made sword is a thing of beauty, and excellent for self-defense.

    • Serai 1

      I disagree. All that has to happen is black and Hispanic people declaring THEIR right to go armed. You’ll see the NRA change its tune right quick.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        …oh, I think gun stores sell to black & Hispanic people pretty readily. The color they care about is *green*.

  • UncleTravelingMatt

    Prior to the election, while MrsMatt and I were having lunch, a young couple sat in the booth behind me. The husband was relating a yooge news story about the goings on in Massachusetts involving the Governor’s crackdown on a local militia group, the government’s attempt to confiscate firearms, and the resultant deaths when the government troops were driven back. Then, these two scholars started debating the constitutional implications of Governor Gage’s actions and whether he should be impeached and imprisoned or just shot.

    I couldn’t help but inform them that Gage had already been recalled, and that his replacement had already sent 20,000 men to capture New York.

  • IdiokraticCulturalMarxist
  • Mpeg

    He added that the aftermath of a tragedy “is not the best time to look at any legislation.”

    There’s a perverse reverse-psychology logic underlying this, as when I think to myself “On an empty stomach is NOT the time to go to the grocery store!” The only difference is, I’m not holding my appetite hostage to spite my health.

    (OK, actually they aren’t the same analogy at all.)

    Dang, I miss the days pre-Derpocalypse when I could find reward in making a convincing argument or even half-assed argument, if I convinced myself with it, that employed some shared logic even the occasional wingnut might *get*.

  • janecita
    • Gayer Than Thou

      Betty White is a national treasure. Peace be upon her name.

  • fawkedifiknow

    When country music fans get sprayed by a lunatic exercising his 2nd Amendment Rights, the phrase “What goes around, comes around”, isn’t quite fair. But, it’s getting close.

    • Courser_Resistance

      I’ve made the same private observation. But apparently some woman, was it at MSNBC? I think – snapped and said something something similar OUT LOUD!! She was fired

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      Personally I know people who like country music and hate gun culture. I don’t think they deserve that.

    • Damned close. But let’s just keep it between us.

    • Crazt Maist Waizy

      So, people who like country music deserve to die. Uh huh. What the actual fuck?

  • Sometimes I really don’t like my country.

    • willi0000000

      what’s not to like . . . after all it’s the land of the free whites, home of the brave ammosexuals.

  • jaspersdad

    I fucking hate these fucking fucks!

    “The Trump administration announced Wednesday it will not list the Pacific walrus as a threatened species based on diminished Arctic Ocean sea ice, concluding that the marine mammals have adapted to the loss.

    U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service officials said they cannot determine with certainty that walruses are likely to become endangered “in the foreseeable future,” which the agency defines as the year 2060.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/pacific-walrus-not-threatened-species-1.4326953

    • Three Finger Salute

      Hey Jasper you see this?

      http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2017/10/political-landscape-deadlocked

      Fucking Milk Boy party is tied with our Jedi! And it’s not even because of the tax proposal. It’s most likely because of fearmongering about refugees — and a consolidation of the cons into a countrywide Ford Nation.. aka Trumpers North, who want to “make Canada great Again” before all these women and browns started showing up and fuddle-duddling their pristine country.

      The gender split across Liberal and Conservative voters is once again quite prominent. The Conservatives lead with men, while the Liberals would likely win another majority if voting were limited to women. What is perhaps most interesting is the emerging class divisions between the two parties. The Liberals lead handily with the middle class while the Conservatives are finding their support increasingly concentrated in Canada’s working class. Indeed, it appears that the Conservative Party is no longer the party of the upper class, but rather the party of the working class. These shifts are eerily reflective of the trends that led to Donald Trump’s win.

      While the Liberals are well down from their post-election honeymoon numbers, the Trudeau government still enjoys net positive approval on both national and federal direction, which are now moving in lockstep with each other. We do, however, see large breaks across social class, education, and region, which are likely a product of partisanship. Liberal, NDP, and Green supporters are quite happy with where the country is headed, while Conservative supporters are downright fed-up.

      Furthermore, as we will see in an upcoming release, Conservative supporters hold a much darker view of the future, are more likely to have fallen behind, and are more likely to be working class (which, as we will show, is also more likely to have fallen behind). All of this suggests the emergence of two Canadas: happy Canada, who think we’re headed in the right direction, and miserable Canada, who think we’re headed in a tragic direction.

      This is scary. The Democrats/Liberals are party of the middle-class, women, college-educated, millennials, and visible minorities. The GOP and Cons, the party of the “white, working-class male.” Overtly religious, hostile to outsiders, and thinks those damn jetset globalists are taking away his jobs and raising his taxes to give free shit to undeserving Muslim rapists, slutty career women, and the eco-freako green energy. I’mma roll coal in my Zamboni!

      We saw what this rural/urban divide did in 2016 to America and what’s happening everywhere else it’s a thing. Merkel having actual Nazis in the Bundestag. Erdogan shitting all over Ataturk’s legacy by courting the uneducated fundamentalists.

      Tell me it can’t happen there. Tell me you’re not looking at Justin Rodham Carter, a one-term wunderkind whose sunny days are numbered because even the Canadians are Just Not Ready.

      • jaspersdad

        No, I hadn’t. Thanks. A lot of braying. We are still 2 years away from an election. The NDP just chose a new leader and I expect those numbers to change. The economy is humming along, unemployment is down. I think we’re fine.

        Last week the Libs walked out of a meeting on the status of women because the Cons had appointed Rachael Harder as chair, a pro life Con MP from Lethbridge AB. She had called into question selective abortion at some point , which is already against the law. Today there is an opinion column by a 21 year old University of Ottawa student that is drawing a lot of negative comments calling into question Trudeau’s feminist credibility because ‘Libs don’t want to hear the pro-life argument’. ( the right to abortion has been law since 1969)

        http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/rachael-harder-status-women-1.4320404

        • Three Finger Salute

          I saw that. Good on him and good on the party. “Pro-life” is an Orwellian misnomer. The cons are the party of forced birth. Justin even said that anyone wanting to run for office under the LPC banner needed to support pro-choice. For this, some moran either in one of your con papers or on Fox called for him to be excommunicated by the Pope. Same BS like with John Kerry.

          “the right to abortion has been law since 1969”

          And who was PM in 1969? 😎 PAPA!!!

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/99daa2e6b7144b206061be0cbd21ca702a21697f6a3eefd0fa7c7c6c1096fa82.png

    • Ill-Advised

      Well, it’s consistent with their attitude toward affordable housing.

  • Augustus

    I’m really fucking tired of hearing about thoughts and prayers

    • Phoenixdoglover

      Amen

    • HooverVilles

      Ramen!

  • Tom65

    They don’t even want to talk about mental health, because they passed a bill in February that rolled back restrictions that kept the mentally ill from buying guns.

  • ariel_gee_398

    Good thing there was no knee jerk reaction to that fake video of PP selling fetus parts. Like a congressional investigation or some other wasteful palaver.

    • willi0000000

      . . . and no action taken against ACORN because of that other phony video.

      [ fuck ’em all . . . Garden Weasel™ . . . rust optional ]

  • Trump Heads to Las Vegas to Pay His Respects After Shooting
    https://i.imgflip.com/1×1881.jpg

    Make America Porous Again

    • Me not sure

      “Have a good time!”

  • janecita
  • Ilgattomorte

    Dear Miss Manners,

    The other day, I walked in on my wife blowing my neighbor Fred. In shock at being caught, she accidentally bit down … and well, Fred was fairly serious injured, while my wife began choking and passed out. Both of them were rushed to the hospital.

    My problem is that I think we should address this issue, but my wife says that now is not the time and it would be rude to have any discussion so soon after such a horrific event. She says that she can’t believe my insensitivity and that I should be ashamed of my actions.

    What should I do?
    Sincerely,
    Cuckold in Wisconsin

    Dear Cuckold,
    It should be perfectly acceptable to discuss the matter, assuming no one was shot.

    • Me not sure

      The bitee did say that it was the most intense orgasm he has ever had, or ever will. So at least there’s that.

    • Opalescent Riddles

      I thought the ending was going to be, “so my question is, should I change the synthetic oil in my car at 5000 or 7500 mile intervals?”

  • mardam422

    “We were told in caucus today that the response was, if it has to do with policy, it was a nonstarter,”
    Ryan: I didn’t use my Social Security Survivor’s Benefits to get a college education, run for Congress and come all the way to Washington to talk about policy!!!

    • willi0000000

      “. . . fuck no! . . . pull up the damn ladder!”
      – lyin ryin

  • Panika MCD

    dear Congresscritter Stevie-Licious,

    I know you may still be on the heavy painkillers during your recovery, but part of doing whatever you can to help” the victims is to prevent further victims from appearing by advancing comprehensive gun safety legislation and supporting the select committee proposed by your Democratic colleagues. (also making healthcare cheaper by ensuring that the ACA is fully funded.) if you can’t legislate and send prayers at the same time, you need to go home. by the way: most law enforcement HATES the Shrapnel Act.

    may you fully recover at some point,
    Americans that are sick of this shit

  • willi0000000

    yup . . . now is definitely time to help the police . . . because if they can’t find a dead perp in a hotel room they really need help!

    [ oops . . . it might be an entire suite ]

  • Three Finger Salute

    this from another blog

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/18/mark-shields/pbs-commentator-mark-shields-says-more-killed-guns/

    “More people have died in domestic shooting in the USA since 1968 than US soldiers in all wars including the Civil War.”

    Make America Gunfighters Again… and again… and again… and again… and again…

    • WotsAllThisThen

      So many people didn’t “take precautions” and “get small”

    • h4rr4r

      2/3rds of US gun deaths are suicides.

      Why are our people killing themselves at such a rate?

      • Three Finger Salute

        They just didn’t tithe to the preacher hard enough to buy more thoughts and prayers. They’re lazy and want everything done for them.

        • h4rr4r

          Access to an easy method of near instant, if you do it right, death has to increase these numbers but I doubt that accounts for all of it.

          The majority of these suicides are older white men. So the republicans should want to tackle this problem head on.

      • willi0000000

        i wonder how many of those gun suicides are because: “fuck it! i’m just gonna get mowed down in the street, or at a concert, or at a football game, or, or, or . . . or worse, my kids! . . . or my Mom! . . . so fuck it!” *BANG*

        *sound of dirt hitting coffin lid*

  • willi0000000

    now is definitely the time to look at mental health issues . . . because all the republicans in government are sick in the head.

  • Panika MCD

    dear Congresscritter C-Colic,

    blaming the shooting on mental illness is a knee-jerk reaction. for one thing, the mentally ill are hundreds of times more likely to be victims of crimes than to be perpetrators of them. for another: FUCK YOU IN YOUR CAUCUS FOR TRYING TO GUT MENTAL HEALTHCARE PROVISIONS IN THE ACA!

    not to mention that had you assholes not made it easier for the mentally ill to “exercise their second amendment rights” already, the mentally ill might not be getting guns in the first place. Sen. John Cornyn proposed removing those allowances after Pulse and Dallas, but you assholes wouldn’t support it. aw! look at that, I found you being an asshole to one of your own party members.

    and it’s still a little bit the gun. he wasn’t tossing cupcakes around. he was shooting a machine gun. maybe don’t rush to blame this all on Democrats.

    on second thought, why don’t you just shut the fuck up and focus on your praying.

    sincerely,
    both sides do not duet

    • Covfefe

      Let’s talk about the Constitution. A law, neutral on its face, which has a desperate impact upon a historically disadvantaged minority, such as Christian Republicans, if you insist on talking about mental health, could be construed as a denial of equal protection.

      • Panika MCD

        could you translate that into something trying a little less hard?

        • Covfefe

          Which group in American society do you think is going to suffer the most if you apply a “sanity test” to the right to possess firearms?

          What part of the War on Christians don’t you understand?

          • Panika MCD

            a) the “right” part as those who have mental illnesses are not fit for duty in a “well organized militia” and do not further “the security of a free state”.

            b) the “war” part.

          • Covfefe

            What they get is that you trying to take their guns away is just part of the War on Christianity.

            PS. I wasn’t fit for duty in the Modern Army. That didn’t keep them from sending me to Vietnam.

          • Panika MCD

            I’m not trying to take their guns away. I’m supporting laws that prevent certain people from getting more gunz. if they’re really “a good guy with a gun” they should not fear me.

          • Covfefe

            You know any good guys? How many guns do they have? How is the small arms industry to survive if they can’t sell to the ungood?

          • Panika MCD

            I know some. how do you think I get to eat moose? they downscale.

          • Covfefe

            Far as I’m concerned, those kinds can keep their guns. but They’re not the squeaky wheels.

          • Panika MCD

            they’re also too not asking for extended clips, semi-automatics, armor piercing bullets or silencers.

          • Panika MCD

            p.s. are you sane?

          • Covfefe

            Unles you’re trying to sell me a gun, why worry?

            OTOH, what I started out with is standard civil rights language, some might call it “jargon,” twisted just a little to fit gun-loving nut cases.

          • Panika MCD

            I think you twisted it to a level of torture. I listen to a lot of lawyers and it was a confuse.

      • Ill-Advised

        Difficult questions arise regarding the appropriate understanding and application of “for all” in the phrase “liberty and justice for all” and the original intent of the phrase “pursuit of happiness.” 5-4 recommends taking up the matter at some not-to-discussed time in the future.

        • Covfefe

          In 1787, “for all” meant 100% Americans, as opposed to 60% Americans. Some people say the 14th Amendment made all persons born or naturalized in the United States 100% Americans.

          I have to ask. When I did my research, aside from coming up with sports scores, the google gave me a link that said 5-4 is the perfect height for a woman to wear high heels without looking like Mellon, or words to that effect. What do you mean when you say “5-4?”

  • Ωbjectifier

    Michele “One L” Fiore is a Vegas city council member now. Curious we haven’t heard her thoughts yet.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      You’d think she’d want to get them off her chest!

      • Covfefe

        One L Fiore isn’t such a boob.

    • doktorzoom

      She was mentioned in an NPR story this morning, but only talked about her daughter’s having decided to miss the Route 19 festival this year because she has a new baby. Surprising she hasn’t said anything about guns at all yet, as far as I’ve seen.

  • h4rr4r

    (Presumably, that means they’d also fall through the same loophole as other weapons, so you could grab one at a gun show with no background check at all.)

    Not only does state law prevent that in many states, but if the seller is a dealer that would be a federal crime.

    • willi0000000

      for now.

    • Rocket Pony Ron

      We’re working on that.
      – the NRA

  • HazooToo

    YOU CAN FUCKING STOP A LUNATIC! Why the fuck is that so impossible to imagine?! You make mental health care easy and affordable and destigmatize that shit, and if someone slips through the cracks, you make DAMN SURE they cannot buy a gun! And when they use a knife or a car or their fists instead, THE COPS STOP THEM BEFORE THEY KILL 58 PEOPLE AND INJURE 500 MORE. Do I have to paint that on these people’s fucking foreheads? Or should it be tattooed on their arms?

    • I’m feeling your rage, but there is no indication that this guy was a lunatic.

      • HazooToo

        You are also correct! But they keep saying you can’t stop a deranged person. It would be harder to stop a fully sane person than a deranged one.

      • Serai 1

        Oh, you mean OTHER than massacring a shitload of people?

        • HazooToo

          He was an abusive asshole. Treated his girlfriend like an idiotic child in public. Are you surprised?

        • Other than that, yes.

    • Regret

      I’m sticking with my 5% of your national budget to improve mental health care proposal. It would solve more problems than you can imagine.

      • HazooToo

        Yeah, that’s why we’ll never do it.

  • h4rr4r

    Bump fire stocks being legal should be blamed on the ATF, they made a terrible ruling when they allowed them.

    I get it they have three jobs, but this is one of them.

    • Kooolest G

      diane feinstein tried to ban them in 2013 in her assault weapons ban. it was voted down 60 to 40. this is on the senators, not the bureaucrats

      • h4rr4r

        It should not have needed to go that far.

        These are clearly designed to get around the machine gun ban. Shoelaces were ruled machine guns, how hard can this be?

  • Suttree

    Jesus. Ya know what, fuck gun humpers. I may have shared this story before. A friend of mine (we worked together) down in New Orleans had maybe 7 or 8 guns in a homemade safe. His dumbass was always showing them to people when they came over. Needless to say some guy he knew broke in and stole 2 of his handguns. Whoever this guy was did a few robberies and killed a person. This guys biggest concern was when do I get my gun back? It took over a year but he got it back. I was rather disgusted about the whole ordeal.

    • h4rr4r

      Homemade?
      How does one make a safe at home?

      • doktorzoom

        Unsafely, the evidence suggests.

      • Suttree

        We worked structural iron. It’s an easy build. 16″ schedule 80 pipe with capped ends and a door cut into it with a lock..

        • h4rr4r

          A safe you can pry is not much of a safe.

    • doktorzoom

      Reunion stories like that are heartwarming, but the videos aren’t nearly as good as dogs greeting veterans coming home.

  • SDGeoff3

    When the republicans decide to bring up their two gun bills for a vote, I hope that the Dems will announce that it must be time to discuss gun safety policy.

  • Mavenmaven

    Unless you are Tamir Rice, then you are a dead child for playing with even a toy gun.

  • chascates

    Many media outlets and police agencies have started calling a car accident a wreck or a crash, because if something is an ‘accident’ it just happens and you can’t do anything about it. A wreck or a crash occurs from human action and can thus be analyzed to possibly prevent future occurrences.

    Similarly stating a mass shooter was ‘evil’ implies nothing could be done to stop his actions. Just as thoughts and prayers about the incident accomplish nothing.

    • h4rr4r

      Deer jumps in front of you? Accident.
      You rear end a car at a stop sign? Wreck.

      Flintlock antique blows up at range? Accident
      You shoot your toddler with an “empty” gun? Negligent homicide.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    I’ve got an analogy that might make a gunhumper pause. So you think it’s just evil, it’s just human nature, and there’s nothing you can do, right? Well, let’s say you had a madman in a room. One door leads to a playground full of kids, and the other is a room full of butcher knives. The door to the playground is open, and there’s nothing you can do about that. But you can choose to have the other door locked or open. Which do you choose?

    • cheetojeebus

      Make damn well sure Paul Ryan can’t get that door to the butcher’s knives open.

    • anon_the_great

      I switch the trolley onto the Fat Man spur

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Ha! The trolley scenario, classic. Spur?

        • anon_the_great

          A length of railroad track off the main line

          • Lance Thrustwell

            gotcha.

    • Jgb979

      Literally every republican has to wipe away some drool from their mouths at the prospect of murdering children.

    • Serai 1

      You’re expecting them to respond to logic. This isn’t about logic. This is about MINE MINE MINE MINE MEMEMEMEMEME. There’s no argument against that other than personal experience.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        edit: .. I tried to post a Tasmanian Devil .gif, didn’t work.

  • anon_the_great

    When our sainted Rethuglicans do their Thoughts and Prayers thingy they should use a list of Innocents slaughtered by guns as catechism.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    We need to get a handle on the psyche of the ammosexuals. Take a look at the dozens of YouTube videos showing how to modify the AR style rifle with a bump stock device. In each of them, after the person, and these vids show both men and women, takes the weapon and unloads a drum of rounds of ammo, they turn to the camera grasping a rifle that has a red hot smoking barrel and what can only be described as an orgasmic afterglow. Really. So, IMHO, there is a whole lot more to this obsession with guns than just self defense. It’s pornarmsraphy.

  • Serai 1

    I’d like someone to explain the logic of saying that someone who massacres a shitload of people ISN’T mentally ill. How does that parse, exactly? Because it seems to me that no matter what the reason, murdering a whole bunch of people SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A SYMPTOM OF MENTAL ILLNESS.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Yes! If this guy were still alive, you know they’d spend thousands and thousands of dollars trying to “prove” he is or isn’t insane. Now that’s insane!

      • Serai 1

        Reminds me of what Dennis Miller said when Lorena Bobbitt was locked up pending trial: “Yeah, that’s a great idea. Let’s put her under observation and see if she does anything weird.”

        • Lance Thrustwell

          Ha! Sigh. He used to be funny.

          • Serai 1

            Inorite? In the late 90’s, I was working just a few blocks from Television City, and I used to go line up for his show on Friday nights right after work. I usually got in, and it was great.

    • Parakeetist

      Kinda, yeah.

    • Crazt Maist Waizy

      It isn’t logic, it is just fact. Not everyone who does evil things is mentally ill- we all just have to accept that some people simply are that evil.

      What we don’t do is create loads of stigma around mentally ill people by making out that evil actions are all down to mental illness, thereby making society shun the mentally ill. Why do you think the GOP blames these things on mental illness? Because they are bigots who want anyone different to be oppressed by society.

      Many people just are evil. It isn’t because of something we can’t control, which is what blaming it on mental illness is an effort to find. It is because of what we can control, most often- our morals.

      So no, murdering loads of people is a symptom of being an evil asshole. We just need to accept that many are actually like that.

  • notaten

    I’m no expert, but I don’t think you are likely to get permanent hearing damage from firing one, or two shots at a deer while hunting. And wearing hearing protection while target shooting is just common sense and no big deal. Why the need for this bill? I don’t get it.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Why the need for a $30,000.00 check from the NRA in your next campaign? I get it.

    • Crazt Maist Waizy

      Alternatively, they could just go to the shops and buy some free range meat, like everyone else.

      Or, if they’re doing it for sport, they could go and torture a tennis ball instead of a fucking living animal.

      • Serai 1

        Or they could go to a fucking psychiatrist and figure out WHY they need to torture and murder anything.

      • tomamitai

        Personally, if I were going to be killed and eaten, I’d rather they let me live a natural, wild life and then sneak up and shoot me from a distance than keep me penned up for my whole life before they “stun” me and then string me up by a chain around my ankles and slit my throat.

      • BigCSouthside

        nature isnt a Disney movie. Most wild animals dont live a long enriching life surrounded by lillies and butterflies. Number one cause of death in nature is getting killed by something else, followed closely by starving because your habitat is being turned into condos or something. not natural causes, and it sure as shit is more gruesome than bullet through the vitals that puts a deer down fast.

        We don’t “torture” animals when we hunt. Btw, some of the most ardent conservationists you’ll find are us outdoorsy types.

        • Crazt Maist Waizy

          Don’t give me this animal abuse-justifying bullshit. If you need to hunt to eat, fine. We’ve always eaten meat and killed to get it.

          Go out shooting for ‘fun’? Sick. Go out shooting for ‘sport?’ When the opponent can’t do anything back it isn’t sport, its needlessly harming an animal. Oh, and when hunters hunt for sport, I know they usually don’t give a damn about how quickly an animal dies, so don’t lie to me. I know exactly what carnage hunters thinking they should be able to have fun chasing and shooting it in god knows where so it dies slowly and painfully, or pulled apart alive by dogs, can inflict on nature.

          Don’t give me this ‘Disney movie’ bullcrap either. I live in the country and help conservationists when I can and I don’t need some divisive ‘oh you city folk just don’t understaaaand’ condescending stuff either.

          Conservation? Please. Hunting is not conservation, and is never intended as such. Killing wildlife and damaging habitat is not ‘conservation,’ period.

    • Kooolest G

      if you want to protect your hearing, you wear earplugs. if you don’t want anyone else to hear that you’re shooting at them, you get a silencer.

    • HazooToo

      Earplugs cost pennies. Earmuffs and headphones cost dollars. Silencers cost around $120.

      • OrdinaryJoe

        A federal firearms compliant silencer costs north of a grand, but there are all these backyard shit for brains videos on YouTube that will show you how to make one in the shed outside of your double wide with a fucking oil filter or the battery tube of a mag style flashlight. Not shitting about that. And from what I have seen, the fuking things do work very well on rifles. Just crazy.

        • HazooToo

          Everything is stupid.

          • OrdinaryJoe

            Especially because in all liklihood these idiot devices cause the barrel of the rifle to get molten hot and ruin the barrel. So for maybe 5 minutes of cheap thrill you can ruin an $800 rifle. That is so stupid it ought to make you disqualified from owning the damn rifle in the first place.

    • Covfefe

      Talk to Villago Delenda Est. He spent several years firing Uncle Sam’s artillery pieces. Claims it left him with “tinnitus.” Got him a whole 10% service connected disability, which translates into something like a free cup of coffee every other day.

  • Crazt Maist Waizy

    Republicans:

    You keep praying to a God that may or may not exist. We’ll act.

    We’ll actually do something.

    • Serai 1

      Praying doesn’t preclude action. It’s the people that stop at prayer who are the problem.

      • Crazt Maist Waizy

        Unfortunately, the Republicans are not the people who will progress to action.

  • Nockular cavity

    the first thing we should be thinking about is praying for the people who were injured

    Where can I get me one of these six-figure-salary jobs where my main duty is praying for–no, THINKING about praying for–people? Cause I can do that real good.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      Be sure to include all the cities that haven’t had floods, tornadoes, or mass-murders on your resume. “I have prayed for the following cities, and the results speak for themselves!”

      Also be sure to mention how your prayers prevent tiger attacks. There are tons of people out there that have never been attacked by tigers, thanks to you.

  • Lefty Wright

    I have a question for Steve Scalise, Chris Collins and all the other NRA ass kissing Republicans. First, I’m happy you are recovering, Steve. Second, my father was murdered by a guy with a borrowed gun during a robbery 47 years ago this month. Is it too early for me to call you guys assholes now and demand you do something about the proliferation of firearms, or should I wait another 47 years? Because if people had started raising hell about firearms 47 years ago, this incident in Las Vegas may not have happened, or at least not have been as deadly.

    Your thoughts and prayers are not going to help the 58 who died, nor the hundreds injured, many of them with life changing injuries. It is just an excuse to do nothing. Something the GOP has perfected over the last 30 years.

    And as I said, I am glad you are recovering, Steve. That still does not mean you are not an evil person.

    • Three Finger Salute

      The fact that you even said “I am glad you are recovering, Steve” means you’re not an evil person. Unfortunately, evil people like Republicans use that against us. They find our lack of evil disturbing.

    • City of H8

      I grew up in the 60s and 70s, and gun-nut-ism was a thing back then too. Handguns were considered the bogeyman at that time and there was talk of “registering” them like a common automobile or motorcycle, imagine the tyranny! A popular bumper sticker at the time said: “The West wasn’t won with a REGISTERED GUN!”

      • Rocket Pony Ron

        IIRC, the West was won with a combination of biological warfare, environmental destruction and plain old mass murder. Perhaps if there’d been fewer guns there’d still be some buffalo around. And maybe a few of the original inhabitants hunting them.

  • IdiotsforPalin

    Yeah, it’s all about hearing….not hearing the bullets so you can massacre animals/people….GFY NRA and repukes.

  • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

    Again, the lie. I do NOT blame the gun for what happened, I absolutely blame the shooter. AND I blame the ridiculously lax gun laws that allow people like him to buy so many weapons of mass destruction, possibly without a background check of any kind.

    • Serai 1

      I blame all of them, Katie.

      • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

        But this is exactly how the NRA and the Republicans (and Democrats, in a few cases) in Congress get away with not doing anything: The reduce the argument as reductio ad absurdum, so therefore we shouldn’t even discuss it. It’s not about gun *control*, the lefties are always “wanting to come and take back all yer guns!” It’s not about sensible background checks, it’s “guns don’t kill people! People kill people!” THIS is the lie that really needs to be called out, IMO.

        • Serai 1

          What lie, exactly? You’re saying “this is the lie”, but I’m not clear what it is you’re pointing out as a lie. That massacres of this kind would be impossible without guns? That our country wouldn’t be better off if nobody could obtain these obscene murder toys? Because I for one am VERY MUCH in favor of getting rid of the fucking things altogether. I don’t need another 50 massacres to convince me that it’s time to get done with this.

          • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

            The lie, in my eyes, is that ALL liberals want what you want. We don’t. Most want common-sense controls. (I’m not saying you or anyone else shouldn’t be all for banning guns altogether….just that I think you’re in the minority.)

          • Serai 1

            And who exactly said that every liberal wants what I want? I didn’t. How about leaving the straw man out next time?

          • Smibo

            At risk of inviting the inevitable raft of shit that I will no doubt catch for trying to intervene here, I’m going to suggest that this seems like a classic case of people “talking past each other”, where both parties have valid positions, and the validity of either one does not invalidate the other.

            The Lie(s), per STFoR:

            – All Lefties want to take yer gunz away from you. This is an article of faith, among Right-wingers.

            – Gunz don’t kill people, people kill people. Another Right-wing canard.

            STFoR didn’t make those claims, just called them out as lies. The Righties like to characterize the Left as a single, monolithic mindset, one that they straw-manize, radicalize and project onto anyone who disagrees with them. In reality, we hold a wide range of views, but that never stopped the Right from demonizing their favorite straw pinata.

            Having settled that, I’m sure we can all move on, to something we can all agree on; let’s kill us some BABIES!!!! WOOT!!! After that, maybe we can think up some more job-killing regulations, then drive our Priuses over to the arugula salad bar place, unless we have to stop to hug a tree first, because we hate America, obviously.

          • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

            No, that’s exactly my point, YOU didn’t say that every liberal wants what you want, THEY are saying that. THAT’s the lie I mean! The gun-humpers try to paint THEIR point of view as a reasonable middle ground (which it isn’t) while the “lib-tard” position is always the most extreme example. “We just want to make sure that the Constitution is upheld, but THOSE LIBTARDS WANT TO BAN EVERYTHING!!!!”

        • Joel Dent

          TBH I’ve been called a murderer on daily kos for mentioning that I own a gun. Had people on there tell me they hoped my kids shot themselves with my gun to teach me a lesson. I’m totally in favor of gun control, and super progressive, but because I hunt, and live in a rural area where being LGBTQ is dangerous, I’m treated like a monster. You know why the 70% of us gun owners who favor more checks don’t speak up more? One side calls us traitors, the other calls us killers.

          • Darrell Imaginarian

            Daily kos is a little… high strung.

    • tomamitai

      Apparently, Fux News is blaming the hotel for not noticing a guy bringing an arsenal into his room. I guess we can now all expect to have our luggage searched at every step along the way every time we travel, because the fourth amendment should obviously take a back seat to the precious and holy second.

      • Rags

        On what basis would the hotel deny his wish to bring whatever legal possessions he chooses into his room?

        • willi0000000

          because: REASONS!!!!!

          [ OK? ]

        • Dg Hacket

          Thats a valid point, most hunters would never leave there rifles in the car at a hotel parling lot overnight. Just sayin

        • Smibo

          So, not a dog person, huh? Or a hotel-stayer?

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        I can’t wait for the three-day waiting period and mandatory background check to rent a hotel room. Plus the metal detectors and random inspections.

      • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

        Well come on. You can’t possibly expect that the *gun shops* should have noticed him buying enough to outfit his local nutwing militia wannabe’s weekend shoot ’em up and kegger, now, can you? I mean, a place where guns are actually bought and sold is no place to track guns. Much better to do it in the lobby of every hotel located in a tourist destination in the country.

      • Persistent Tennessee Rain

        FREEDUM!

        oh wait.

      • Joel Dent

        Dude was a rich high Roller. They wouldn’t have stopped him no matter what.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      He would have passed a background check since the background check doesn’t include a list of weapons already owned by the purchaser. If people were required to register their semi-automatic weapons, then I’d say a couple or ten red flags would have gone up saying, “hey, this guy has an arsenal of weapons, what’s he planning?”

  • tomamitai

    The Daily Beast has been Tweeting the names of the dead from Vegas, along with pictures of them in life. If the folks at antifa or black bloc want to do something useful for a change they should make posters of the pictures, add the text “The Price Of Liberty?” below, and PEACEFULLY picket wherever and whoever they think most needs to be reminded about the cost of doing nothing about guns. I won’t name any names, they should be able to figure it out themselves. And I’m not winking when I say PEACEFULLY, I mean they should do it quietly, respectfully, without impeding anybody’s access to their places of work or wherever.

    • Regret

      I’m pretty sure they are already doing that if they know about any such activities.

  • BearGHAZI

    Fuckers.

  • You know what would help law enforcement? Less assholes with personal arsenals.

    • Ωbjectifier

      Less arsenals with personal assholes also, too.

  • Bitter Scribe

    “Hearing Protection Act”? Seriously?

    I guess the gun-humpers are too stupid to buy earplugs. Or else the gun-humping legislation writers think we’re stupid enough to believe anything.

    • willi0000000

      they have to act now! to save the base’s hearing . . . otherwise they might not hear the latest propaganda from the nra.

      • Rocket Pony Ron

        Is there any space in their heads for more? I was figuring it was already full.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      What about the hunting dogs? Won’t anyone think of the hunting dogs?

    • Joel Dent

      It’s more that even wearing both plugs and earmuffs on top, people who shoot a LOT at the range will have hearing damage. The thing is, if you’re that dedicated, you can already get a suppressor/silencer, that just don’t want to fuck w/ paperwork.
      Fuck that, deal with the paperwork, there needs to be more paperwork and background checks associated with gun ownership, not less.
      Do you know how long it took me to buy my pistol? 20 minutes, and having my drivers license. How hard was it to get my carry permit? 35$, get my fingerprints taken, & call the police administrative line to set up a 2 minute “interview”. Took less than a week and less money than buying a ps4 controller.

  • Kooolest G

    say, you know who else liked silencers right before this utah company gave the trump campaign 50k

    ok it’s not hitler, it’s donnie junior

    https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/chuck-todd-unearths-video-of-don-jr-advertising-gun-silencers-that-help-get-little-kids-into-the-game/

  • OrdinaryJoe

    America. Where we make it easier to get your hands on an assault rifle to kill people than get a ballot in your hands to vote. MAGA.

    • KenTFM

      Have you ever read the National Firearms Act? Do you have any clue at all what an assault rifle really is?

      No, I doubt you do on either score.

      • Crazt Maist Waizy

        Gun nut! We’ve got a live one here!

        Gun nut or ammosexual? You decide!

        • Charles Wolf

          Absulutely!
          I know one when I see one and
          KenTheFuckingMoron is one.

          • HooverVilles

            Yep. May I suggest one tiny revision.
            KenTheFuckingMoran is one.
            MOAR betterer?

        • KenTFM

          Neither. Now what?

      • doktorzoom

        Brilliant sealioning, man.

        • KenTFM

          Equally brilliant use of a bullshit term no one with a modicum of respect for themselves would use , Bravo you little “Occupying” drone. C&L moderator or not you should be embarrassed for this nugget of inanity.

        • Gayer Than Thou

          Now, is that sealioning, or is it assholing? I’m asking sincerely. Wait…

          (Not “seasoning” and “assailing.” Calm the fuck down, autocorrect.)

          • doktorzoom

            You know, I really think I stretched the definition a bit; it’s not so much faux-innocent questioning as it is assholish nitpicking.

            And what exactly is your objection to autocorrect? Are you an anti-cyberperson bigot?

          • Gayer Than Thou

            Look, I don’t care what cyberpersons get up to in the privacy of their own homes. But when their beliefs are completely different from mine, I don’t think I should have to bake cakes for them or let them type my comments. On websites where comments are allowed.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        If I go read the National Firearms Act and get myself a clue about what an assault rifle is, can we go back to the main point, which is that seems like it ought to be far easier to vote than to acquire the means to kill a person, or will you have some other diversion that must be addressed first?

        • HooverVilles

          THIS

        • KenTFM

          Completely separate issue . As to diversion I have yet to one of you people refute a single point I have made with facts. I have stayed on my point throughout, it is the parade of dim bulbs that keep trying to change the subject.

          The point you are raising right now is not and never was my main point. It is just more kneejerk nonsense born of abject ignorance. That I cannot help you with.

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        Yeah! And if you don’t read the entire Strunk & White Elements Of Writing Style*, you shouldn’t be allowed to make written comments!

        Also, you must first win the Pedant War against “Partial Birth” and “Sanctuary City” as meaningless terms, before you can even start of “Assault Rifles.”

        Sorry but those are the rules of Extreme Pedantery.

        *(ETA: It’s actually really short!)

  • But but but with Yellow Pages in decline we NEED silencers. Not like the ol’ days when you just shoot through the phone book.

    • bluicebank

      Hey, back in my day phone books weighed like a ton, so we could only use pillows to muffle the sound. Feathers were everywhere after the killing. And it had to be done on Highway 61. Some people had to drive miles to get there.

      • ahughes798

        So THAT’s what happened…….

    • Joel Dent

      Just use an oil filter.

  • sosuume
  • Notreelyhelping

    I realize the issues for gun ownership are psychologically complex and have to do with history, tradition, and family (i.e., dad bonds with junior when he teaches him to shoot); and I’m limiting my scope (so to speak) to semi-automatic weapons with high-capacity magazines holding high-velocity rounds. Ok?

    Cause I can somewhat buy that a hunter needs a long-gun to bag deer or a shotgun to bag ducks, and a farmer might need a varmint gun to protect livestock. If you’re a recreational shooter, you can use those weapons to kill clay pigeons or tin cans. (Even tin cans full of clams.) I can even understand how someone might feel like they need a pistol in their home in case of break-ins or other situations that threaten them (like a violent ex).

    Even with those exceptions, and not counting the paranoid minority who think they can defeat jets and tanks with small arms, I don’t see a place for weapons commonly called assault rifles–that is, war weapons toned down for civilian use. And it seems like cops should be in favor of removing those from the market, as should the home defenders, because removing them lessens their chance of being outgunned.

    So it pretty much leaves the proponents of legal assault rifles as those having a monetary stake in keeping them available or else they’re stupid and/or nuts.

    Greedheads, idiots, and the insane: seems like similar credentials for the average terrorist.

    • Joel Dent

      Hi,
      I own guns for some of the exact reasons you describe. I’ve got a bolt action hunting rifle for when deer season is here (it’s also good for wild boar) and I want to fill up the deep freeze essentially for free (I live check to check, that deer meat feeds me, my wife & my kids through the winter). I’ve also got a pistol & a carry permit, I’m bisexual and live in a deep red zone, I’ve been assaulted coming out of gay bars (& regular bars too where a guy thought I was making a pass at him) + since I was raped a few years ago I went ahead and got my carry license.

      I’ll never own an “assault rifle” (or as the nuts insist they’re called “sporting rifle”) there’s no need for it, just like I have no need for a supercar just to drive to work. I pretty much agree with everything you said and wanted to thank you for having a good head on your shoulders when it comes to gun policy. Way too often I just see people say “guns are evil, people who own guns are evil”.
      I’m a progressive, and a gun owner, and thanks.

      • ahughes798

        I agree with you and notreelyhelping, mostly. I don’t think that anyone should be taking a semi-auto rifle out deer hunting….they’re lousy for that purpose, as I have been told, and if it takes you 10 shots to kill a deer, you shouldn’t be hunting or need to spend a long time at your local range before you try again. My dad used a single shot bolt action rifle for hunting, when he did hunt, which was not much.He had a shotgun and a handgun, too. That’s fine. I can see rural dwellers needing a rifle or hand-gun for critter protection and euthanasia for injured livestock, or a pet, because sometimes the wait for a vet to do the job can be a long time.

        Guns shouldn’t be outlawed, but restrictions need to be put on the number and type owned. I don’t know why someone needs more than 3 guns. A rifle, a shotgun, and a handgun.

        • kareemachan

          As a person who has carried gunz for REAL reasons, I agree.

    • KenTFM

      Part of your issue is not understanding what you are talking about. A weapon modeled on a military weapon but still in it’s original configuration is a semi-automatic firearm. That is, as originally designed it requires ONE trigger pull per bullet fired. That would be things like the Colt .45ACP, Browning Hi-Power, Ruger 10/22 or AR-15.

      An automatic weapon is a machine gun. It is illegal for anyone in America to own a machine gun that was made after 1986. For the ones made before 1986 the rules and regulation of the National Firearm Act severely control ownership.

      Having an AR-15, an AK-47 or any other semi-automatic “military styled” weapon does not result in superior firepower. I really wish folks would stop pushing this idiotic myth.

      • Notreelyhelping

        Except when it’s equipped with a bump stock.

        • kareemachan

          And now we know what a bump stock is. :-(

        • KenTFM

          Jesus Christ on a cracker, pay attention

          Automatic weapon = pull and hold trigger and it will fire until there is no more ammunition.

          Seimi-automatic wepon – requires trigger to be pulled for each shot.

          Bump Stock or Slide Fire = does not make a semi an auto as it STILL has to actuate the trigger for each round fired. Yes, it is faster than a human could perform but it is STILL not fully automatic.

          Do you people ever actually look this shit up or do you just rely on the idiotic nonsense in your echo chambers?

      • John Thorstensen

        What about magazine capacity?

        Also, I have heard that some of these are fairly easily modified to go full-auto. Is this true, or not?

        • KenTFM

          Magazine capacity is a separate issue and usually controlled by jurisdiction Here in CT it is 10 rounds max. In some places a drum that hold 100 rounds is perfectly legal (idiotic but legal nonetheless)

          For the last time, there is nothing legally and commercially available to make a semi-auto a full auto. Making it shot faster is not the same as full auto.

        • Darrell Imaginarian

          Magazine capacity is the number one thing. If you have 16 round magazines, which is more than enough for a sportsman, that’s going to empty the clip within 2 seconds with a slidefire mod. Given the poor accuracy it’s no longer all that lethal Fully automatic weapons are even faster.

          • Delu

            Hold up, The 2nd Amendment states the right to “bear arms”, as in firearms, but even then that doesn’t include ammunition for firearms yes?

            Hmmm…….

        • KenTFM

          I totally support caps on magazine capacity.

          As to modifications, the AR-15 is one of the most easily modified weapons in production and yes there are ways to make them “MIMIC” full auto. Aside from the Bump Stock or Slide Fire they are mostly all illegal. Read the damn National Firearms Act.

      • Sunhead

        You are ignoring the fact that conversion kits and bump stock kits exist and are sometimes even legal in some states. When you need to change 3 small pieces in a rifle to convert it from a ‘civilian’ AR-15 to a ‘military’ M-16 then your ‘myth’ is reality.
        Sure, it makes it illegal, but does anyone check that they have not been modified after the fact.

        • KenTFM

          Oh FFS, the additiobn of a Bump Stop or a Slide Fire device DOES NOT turn a semi-automatic into an automatic. How are you people this dense?

      • doktorzoom

        Thank you for rescuing us from our ignorance and error, Gunsplanation Man! It’s so obvious that if only everyone used the approved Firearms Enthusiast Terminology, there would be no more disagreements on firearms policy.

        Say, if “having an AR-15, an AK-47 or any other semi-automatic “military styled” weapon does not result in superior firepower,” could you explain to fellow weapons enthusiasts that the firearms they fetishize most are really not necessary? It’s almost as if they were flocking to buy them because they carry some kind of paramilitary mystique.

        • President Moron Dotard (R)

          You’ll never know when you’ll encounter some dangerous deer in the woods. I hear they’re packing heat at this time of year.

        • KenTFM

          That would make them idiots, and if you can’t follow this simple explanation (seriousl, look this shit up on your own) you’re not that bright either.

        • KenTFM

          No jackass, it is not about using approved terms. It is about knowing what you are talking about.

          You obviously do not. Be your pissed off liberal gun fearing self but until you actually understand how firearms function, you trying to insult me is tantamount to a tiny little man punching way above his weight class. That never works.

      • Stulexington

        So the cops who tried to enter the Pulse in the early minutes of the gunman’s takeover and were “forced back by superior firepower” from an unmodified, legally purchased “military style weapon” were bullshitting? good to know.

        • KenTFM

          There was nothing remarkable about that gun in its unmodified, out of the box state. Looking like an M-16 does not make it one nor does it give it any rate of fire other than semi-automatic. Period.

      • Darrell Imaginarian

        OK here’s your new rules. You don’t get semiautomatic anything except pistol revolvers, that holds no more than 7 bullets. For rifles you can have revolvers or bolt action or lever action. For shotgun whatever as long as it’s not semiautomatic. No gun can hold more than 10 rounds. So do you agree an AR-15 isn’t any more powerful than that?

        • KenTFM

          You are making an argument where there isn’t one.

          I support reasonable gun legislation. I support limits on magazine capacity. What I don’t support are things that solve no problem.

          In CT where I live 10 rounds is the law and I am good with that. In NJ where my parents live hollow point ammunition is highly regulated and while I find this idiotic (ball ammunition has a higher propensity for over-penetration and thereby poses a greater danger to others) I obey that law also.

          An AR-15 is no more powerful than my 1991-A1. I’d actually submit it is less powerful in many situations.

          Again, I fully support laws that keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of people who should not have them. I support keeping war weapons off our streets. I despise the NRA and Gun Owners of America. I cannot support the nonsense of people who have no idea what they are talking about.

  • Yellerduck

    Except that by most state standards, this shooter would not qualify for a defense of insanity since he was able to plan the shooting and took steps to monitor police activity. The cameras he set up indicate he knew right from wrong, so no mental health issues here!

    • Darrell Imaginarian

      Successful insanity defenses are incredibly rare.

  • bluicebank

    Jumping the rope line w. this OT post, but fuck:

    Local elementary school shut down today because some idiot posted a threat on the school’s FB page. Small town, bump in the road as it were, about 3,000 population.

    Fuck the new normal. It’s beyond Abby Normal. Damn it all, this is podunk Calif. up the road from Palm Springs. wft?

    • Charles Wolf

      In what alternate universe is Palm Springs a podunk town?

      • bluicebank

        It’s not. I said up the road from PS: Morongo Valley. In between Palm Springs and Yucca Valley, which is on the way to Joshua Tree, and then on to the military base at Twentynine Palms. It’s a well kept secret, MoVal, where we wave at each other. Hell, even the kids wave at me, probably because I drive a hot rod Baja Bug … I’m like James Dean in this little burg ha ha not really.

        • Charles Wolf

          Morongo Valley???
          Are you in witness protection?
          …or just hiding from a stalker?

          • bluicebank

            Ha. MoVal is where you go if you want the stalker to find you, except for the part where stalkers don’t know where the hell it is. I repeat: best kept secret in SoCal; low rent/housing, ground water, way better than the Coachella Valley (been there), and we have a nature preserve to beat the band. Shush, don’t tell no one.

  • Rocket Pony Ron

    And government of the guns, by the guns, for the guns, shall not perish from the earth.

    • kareemachan

      I, as a totally acknowledged liberal, have NO problem with people owning gunz. In my line of work, I have used guns many times. I have a problem with morans being able to buy guns easily.

      ETA: I am a biologist and have been face to face with many different species on many different occasions.

  • Yellerduck

    It must be frustrating to Republicans:

    “Bring up the Silencer Act!”
    “Shit, another mass shooting. Table the Silencer Act!”
    (two weeks later)
    “Bring up the Silencer Act!”
    “Shit…”

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    A mental health professional friend also pointed out that the constant harping on mental health as the cause of shooting deaths has hugely increased the stigma against people with mental health issues, driving many away from the help they need. It’s a Republican toofer!

    • puredog

      “. . .driving many away from the steadily less-available help they need. . .”
      Threefer!

    • Your friend is absolutely right.
      However, the potentially dangerous pathology called “narcissism” (i.e. “I matter – you matter only to the degree that you re-enforce the idea that I matter”) is overlooked, minimized, or normalized because it is the outstanding characteristic of the POTUS. Narcissism is different from most mental illness which torment the sufferer, not those around them.

    • Crazt Maist Waizy

      Yes, using mental illness for mass shooters is an excuse, whether we like to admit it or not. Not just an excuse for the shooter, but an excuse for humanity- if we pretend that evil is caused by mental illness we can live in the comfortable illusion that humans are actually a complete good.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      When can we get “firearm enthusiast” into the DSM and get some of those people help?

  • puredog

    “You can’t stop a mentally deranged person.”
    Is this the death knell for my hopes of impeachment?

    • george lastrapes

      You of all- creatures- should remember that, many dog-years ago, Bill Clinton got impeached, and his favorables increased. Or- should I say- the Big Dog got Impooched.

  • Kgprophet

    Guy at gun store who sold dozens of guns to shooter says nothing out of the ordinary about him. Except that he bought dozens of guns. No, not normal.

  • Swampay

    Presumably, that means they’d also fall through the same loophole as other weapons, so you could grab one at a gun show with no background check at all.

    I think the biggest loophole of all is that many (most?) gun registration/open carry/concealed carry laws require the government to assume the burden of proof under a time limit. The government has to actively PROVE that you shouldn’t concealed carry within a few days or you automatically get your credential.

    • Zyxomma

      Thanks, NRA. Thanks, Republicans. You fucking fuckers.

  • progressiveredneck

    According to GOP data and newsiness….
    Percentage of Republicans who own guns or think we should all own guns. 100%.
    Percentage of mass shootings carried out by liberals, Muslims, mentally ill people, antifa, people of color according to Republicans. 100%

  • President Moron Dotard (R)

    Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) on Wednesday suggested that more people being armed might have prevented the mass shooting in Las Vegas, saying that method worked “in the Old West.”

    “I think if that guy had known that there were armed personnel with the types of weapons he had that would immediately shoot at him, that might have deterred him. I don’t know,” Barton told Vox when asked if he thinks the crowd in Las Vegas should have been armed.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/353928-gop-rep-on-gun-control-more-people-being-armed-worked-in-the-old-west

    Thousands of concert goers armed with rifles shooting at a hotel, at night. Thousands killed.

    Oh and Mr. Fucking Moron (from Texas, not the one in the White House), the “Old West” had strict gun control: you had to turn in ALL your weapons to the Sheriff upon entering town.

    • doktorzoom

      That would be 22,000 concert-goers, many of whom already thought the shots were coming from nearby, not hundreds of yards away and 32 floors up. Arm five percent of them and you’ve got 1,100 people pointing guns in one direction or another, not sure who the bad guy is.

      Number of concert-goers with a handgun who could have hit the guy: Probably zero.

      Obviously, we need to let people bring sniper rifles to outdoor concerts.

      (Edited to remove repetitious redundancy)

      • Hardly Ideal

        Man, I get tired of carrying around my son’s diaper bag whenever we go out. Having to lug around all 5.2kg of an M14 on top of that? That’s pretty hard sell.

      • bubbuhh

        Better to carry a lighter firearm and simply shoot someone nearby whose looks distress one. It would reduce the stress of being a random target onez on self.

        The Good Newz of Gun Violence!!!

      • Delu

        Didn’t stop a certain Hannity from going on air and indulging in the fantasy of how if HE were there with a gun, he’d have stopped the shooter dead cold.

        Did the same for Aurora too.

        • Rickyphoo

          If that idiot ever found himself being shot at, he’d shit himself in terror.

      • Begin Anew Day

        Sir,

        You have libeled repetitious redundancy by removing it! We of the League of Perpetual Dialogue In Gun Debate demand that you restore the repletion…..uhhh….repartee…uhhhh, the whatchamacallit to the reboundancy….the the thingamagig thingy that you said just now! Or we will CRY A LOT!!!

        Yrs,

        Joe Bob and Cousin Larry

        • Rickyphoo

          This comment is being investigated by the Department of Redundancy Department.

          • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

            Oh, you’re from the DRD department?

            When will you guys do something about ATM machines?!

      • Sunhead

        Number of concert-goers with a handgun who could have hit the guy: Probably zero.

        Certainly ZERO.
        No handgun is accurate past 50 meters, let alone 500.

        • doktorzoom

          You haven’t seen a single John Wayne movie, have you?

          • Sunhead

            No. I don’t think they come in metric.

        • Mysterious Masked Wrestler

          You just point a gun in the bad guy’s general direction and fire, then the bad guy dies. Don’t you know anything????

    • Hardly Ideal

      Old West guns also had atrocious accuracy. Even modern weapons would have trouble hitting something 1,000 feet away with accuracy.

      • Darrell Imaginarian

        That’s not true. The Whitworth rifle had a maximum range of 800 yards, and Civil War snipers were very dangerous. It was a single shot muzzle loader… a slow process to be sure.

    • bubbuhh

      In ackshul Old West, Wyatt Earp and other Marshalls would routinely disarm the lawless towns they took over, making the rowdy element check-in their rifles and other guns into a gun locker supervised by local law enforcement. Then they would retrieve their hog leg, shot guns and rifles when they rolled out of town, having been stripped of their cash and sated by whiskey, naughty bitz, gambling and bath houses.

    • keinsignal

      I hope many of you have read this piece from the WaPo’s “Intersect”…
      What a macho, gun-packing Instragram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting

  • Hardly Ideal

    Also, a brief word on terminology: You have to call such a device a suppressor,
    because the gun-humping crowd insists anyone calling it a “silencer” is
    a know-nothing who’s incompetent to discuss firearms at all.

    Just like “clip” versus “magazine.” Great.

    Let’s ask an expert… Hey, Aimless Renegade! What do you think?http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003001

    • bubbuhh

      Trump Jr’s infomercial was for a company named SilencerCo, the insensitive non-PC bastid.

    • Johnnymoreno

      I like the “it’s not an ‘assault rifle'” rap. frikkin imbeciles.

      • doktorzoom

        Excuse me, you clearly are not competent to discuss this issue at all. Have you even READ the National Firearms Act? I didn’t think so.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        It is if used thusly.

      • Hardly Ideal

        Whenever I hear someone go on about what is and isn’t an assault rifle, I think back to the StG 44, the so-called Sturmgewehr/”storm rifle.” Lightweight, fires a more intermediate cartridge, automatic, and designed for war. Pretty much the template for the assault rifle as we know it. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

  • FauxAntocles

    Maybe we could rename the GOP the “Murder Party”?

    • Wee Mousie

      Or change the Republican critter from an elephant to a crow. That way whenever Republicans got together we could talk about a murder of Republicans.

      • Frank Underboob

        I would be fine with a mur… um.

      • Not Flat – ROUND!

        The Elephant is more full of shit than any other mammal, seems the perfect symbol for Republicans

    • Begin Anew Day

      No, that will never do. WE have that honor.

      yrs,

      Fucking Nazis

      • Frank Underboob

        Aren’t they the same people?

        • Rickyphoo

          More and more, each day…

  • handyhippie65

    silencer is not very accurate, as they don’t make a weapon as silent as in the movies. it reduces the sound to around 100db. still don’t think they should be in the wally world’s sporting goods section though.

    • Darrell Imaginarian

      Drink!

    • sarafina

      I actually thought since so many people at the concert thought the shots were fireworks no silencer/suppressor would be needed. I watched a video excerpt online, and the shots did not sound menacing. (The bleeding probably was, though.)

      • handyhippie65

        no one here really expects to be fired upon by automatic weapons, so mistaking the sounds for a line of firecrackers is not unreasonable. i own firearms, but i don’t think suppressors, fully automatic weapons, or devices that simulate them are something that anyone but the military should have. i hate to admit it, but sometimes freedom sucks. but it’s better than the alternative.

        • sarafina

          Actually, I’d be willing to limit YOUR freedom to have those Sandy Hook kids still alive. You don’t sound unreasonable as some, but the “freedom” to kill willy-nilly is not freedom, it’s just bullshit.

          • handyhippie65

            i hunt. i only kill for food, not pleasure. i have never killed anything “willy nilly”. the deer, squirrel, and rabbits i take have been raised free range, without anti-biotics. and without predators in the wild, are over grazing the wild areas, and destroying crops. if you eat meat, your position is kinda hypocritical. i grew up on a farm. if you want to eat, you must be willing to destroy. every life form on this planet, with the exception of certain bacteria, consumes other life forms to exist. even plants consume dead animals. it is simply an undeniable fact of life.

          • sarafina

            So what “responsible” hunter eats the little kids they shoot?

  • Freida Peeple

    to all Our Friends On The Right : ENJOY YOUR REWARD IN HELL YOU EARNED IT

  • andyshelt

    New NRA campaign launched to allow gun nuts to buy tactical nuclear weapons and suitcase nuclear bombs.

    Remember folks, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a suitcase nuclear bomb is a good guy with a suitcase nuclear bomb.

    • Begin Anew Day

      Is there no place for a Buddhist with FANTASTIC martial arts skill?

  • Let’s slip some riders into the bill.

    1. The BATF is hereby authorized to obtain computers for tracking gun sales.
    2. The Centers for Disease Control are hereby ordered to start a comprehensive, nationwide study on the causes and effects of gun violence.

    Funding will be provided for both.

    (Interestingly, the BATF are still using paper records, and the CDC has been bullied with threats of budget cuts if they try to do any research on gun violence. That’s all thanks to NRA lobbying.)

    • Begin Anew Day

      Bullying? By the NRA?

      *****swoons onto fainting couch*******

  • andyshelt
    • Begin Anew Day

      She is Spartacus.

  • NotALiar

    Our friend Dana Loesch said on her show today that she’s “sick and tired of ‘The Left’ giving the shooter a pass and blaming the victims.” Yep. I would have heard the rest but I had to pry my broken fist from the car stereo.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      Projection and irony are lost on her.

  • blaid droog

    Breaking news.
    Republicans remain silent on silencer bill.

  • William

    I cannot even begin to imagine a scenario where anyone would need a silencer on a….um…never mind. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a6fe53e0a7a7a2623bd6b76298373901d972c75cb2f651204043b12301625d44.jpg

    • phoenix00

      Ben Stiller libelz!!

  • Delu

    Hmmm?

    No trolls and “gun enthusiasts” coming in here to enlighten us “ignorant sheeple” about how gun regulations and gun laws of any sort DON’T WORK because of how X percent of all mass shootings happen despite the fact that such gun regulations are in place, or how since CRIMINALS DON’T FOLLOW THE LAW, laws are useless?

    Or both?

  • Wee Mousie

    Writing about Republicans you’ve got to be more specific than this: “Republicans On Gun Silencer Bill After Las Vegas: We Don’t Know Her!”

    Does “her” refer to Gun Silencer Bill or Las Vegas Massacre, because Republicans are capable of pretending either don’t exist.

  • Begin Anew Day

    “…we’ve learned from these shootings is that often, underneath this, there is a diagnosis of mental illness,” Ryan said. “…Mental health reform is a critical ingredient…”

    Have we learned that Paul? The objective reality says otherwise. Ronald Reagan, your deity, slashed funding for mental health treatment and your party has consistently turned it’s back on science funding including an adamant blockage of the CDC from STUDYING GUN VIOLENCE!

    So how, the fuck, have we learned ANYTHING about the mental health component of this pathology when NO research is being done except by the magicians at NRA approved “think tanks”.

    Maybe you should keep from commenting upon things you do not understand and stick to lecturing old people to die quickly if they get sick.

    You know Paul, I am an old man. An old man who bought cadillac health insurance for his spouse. A spouse with ovarian cancer. That was the best damn money I ever spent. Every cent bought enough treatment for her to live twenty two years with cancer. That was twenty two years of her LOVE that I put in the bank of a good life. I like to think every minute she lived with cancer GALLED you. She has passed on. But I am still here Paul. And I am going to stay here and use that same health insurance. I am going to LIVE TO BE ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEARS OLD. And I am going to get medical attention for a thousand different ailments and I am going to grit my teeth and survive. And I have YOU to thank for this resolution. Because I will be one of those old sick people that you keep wanting to throw out onto the scrap heap and I WILL NOT GO AWAY.

    SO Paul, thank you. Now Go Fuck Your Sad Pathetic Self.

    • Zyxomma

      I’m glad you got that 22 years with your wife. While I can’t help secretly correcting a few things (its, not it’s, is the possessive), I agree wholeheartedly. Fuck Paul Ryan with a rusty chainsaw of votes.

    • Smibo

      ^^^ THIS ^^^

    • HooverVilles

      Second Amino below therefore,

      ^^^^THIS^^^^

  • Smibo

    He added that the aftermath of a tragedy “is not the best time to look at any legislation.”

    Oh bless your heart, Mark Meadows (R-N.C.)! If only Congress had had the benefit of your faux “wisdom” when considering the USAPATRIOT Act of 2001, which was signed into law by President* George W. Bush on October 26 of that year, a scant 46 days into the aftermath of another tragedy that no one remembers now, but was widely perceived to be pretty fucking relevant at the time.

    Here’s what I don’t get; between the blatant pandering, the gross hypocrisy, the embarrassingly obvious projection and the patent fecklessness of Republican “leadership”, how do they maintain their support? Hell, even among their base of the bottom 22-24% of America’s intellectual barrel, you’d think that shit would have a hard time getting airborne, y’know? I mean, nobody is that stucking foopid, right?

    * It is with no small degree of sadness that I realize that George Fucking Walker Bush looks positively statesmanlike by comparison to exactly no one, except the next dumbass the Republicans managed to insert into the White House.

    • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

      I think the answer to your second paragraph has many facets. But the lion’s share comes from “FOX News / wingnut media” followed closely by “partisan gerrymandering” and then sorta intertwined is “racism-privilege-sexism-tribalism.” They literally focus all of their political forces to exploit those things, usually through fear.

      When your sole news source convinces you that you’re under attack, every single day, you’re probably not going to do a lot of analysis on the incompetent shitstains who waddle in and say “ONLY I CAN SAVE YOU!”

      • keinsignal

        The book “When Prophecy Fails” is instructive in this regard – preserving the belief system takes precedence over any pesky facts that might get in the way. Conflicting information is rejected or attacked (along with the messengers conveying it), social support reinforcing their beliefs is eagerly, even frantically sought, and any tenuous thread of confirmation is clung to for dear life.

  • RugzYaBurnt

    If you divorce yourself for a moment from the totally demoralizing realities of the situation (cuz hey, who doesn’t want to, really?), Steve Scalise is a fascinating specimen. You would think that the fundamental biological drive to survive would have kicked in during and after the shooting that wounded him, and scrambled his political programing. But just look at him, simpering and scraping for the NRA like a dog that likes its kicks. It would be absolutely riveting if I had the luxury of observing all of this from a spaceship sent by an actually advanced species, and not stuck here on this shitty planet with the rest of these suicidal whack jobs.

    • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

      Ramen.

    • Mike Steele

      Folks with souls, like Reagan press secretary Jim Brady, use their brush with the reaper to make amends and leave the dark side. Scalise remains soulless, as do his colleagues whose ‘thoughts and prayers’ will, once again, be invoked when (not if) someone decides to break the LV record.

  • reelreeler

    The NRA will make certain that what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas….If 20 dead children at the Sandy Hook shooting didn’t spur any change in America’s obsession with guns, then nothing will…..ever. Sadly, dumbass USA has the president and congressional majority that it deserves.

  • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

    I’ve only got one thought and half a prayer left. Can everyone please stop mass-murdering for a bit? Thanks in advance!

  • Ulricii

    Republicans in Congress have come up with a protective move that’s more fool proof than any goofy-doofy Democratic gun control suggestion: RELABEL!

    Want to protect yourself against armor piercing bullets? Remove an item from the armor piercing list. Shazam! It no longer pierces armor. Isn’t that better than wearing a sweaty kevlar vest?

    Try to top THAT for protection, Dumb-o-crats.

  • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

    If it’s too soon to talk about gun safety after a gun-enabled murder spree, then it’s too soon to talk about tax cuts, because of how the gunman also paid taxes.

  • pace

    I think the republicans should pass legislation for just plain silencers; they don’t hear anyone anyway, more and more people in this country find root canals without novocaine a more attractive proposition that taking this Congress seriously. Poor poor iron god worshippers, their ear drums might get “hurty” if they don’t get this! whatever we will do????? I KNOW!!!! let’s send them all to Racqa and after a few weeks vacation there, they won’t be so “sensitive” to those “annoying” gun noises.

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