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Yesterday, the nation woke to little beeps and buzzes on their smartphones telling them of an act of American Carnage so bad even America was shocked by it. As is our custom, we then pointed out some assholes. But it wouldn’t be a gun massacre without enough people soberly gumming their mouths full of shit to necessitate a sequel. We present to you: Some Bad Terrible People Who Will Never Ever Ever Feel Shame: Part Deux. Do the opposite of enjoy!

Bill O’Reilly Has A Mouth Full Of Shit

Bill O’Reilly no longer has much of an outlet, having been canned from Fox News for trying to rub his dick on too many women. But he still has Internet! And thus was Bill O’Reilly able to opine on the deaths of 59 souls, and more than 500 woundings, like so:

[H]aving covered scores of gun-related crimes over the years, I can tell you that government restrictions will not stop psychopaths from harming people.

They will find a way.

Public safety demands logical gun laws but the issue is so polarizing and emotional that little will be accomplished as there is no common ground.

The NRA and its supporters want easy access to weapons, while the left wants them banned.

This is the price of freedom. Violent nuts are allowed to roam free until they do damage, no matter how threatening they are.

The Second Amendment is clear that Americans have a right to arm themselves for protection. Even the loons.

Little thing about that, Mr. Shitmouth. The Second Amendment wasn’t “clear” that Americans “have a right to arm themselves for protection.” It actually reads:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

And it wasn’t until the activist Roberts Court decided District of Columbia v. Heller that the right of “self defense” was enshrined in the Constitution some 219 years after the Constitution was written. By that logic, the Constitution is just as “clear” that the right to privacy includes a woman’s right to an abortion after the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, so maybe y’all should shut your fucking shitmouths about that too.

Pat Robertson, Is That Shit In Your Mouth?

Open wide, let us have a looksee!

Violence in the streets, ladies and gentlemen. Why is it happening? The fact that we have disrespect for authority; there is profound disrespect for our president, all across this nation they say terrible things about him. It’s in the news, it’s in other places. There is disrespect now for our national anthem, disrespect for our veterans, disrespect for the institutions of our government, disrespect for the court system. All the way up and down the line, disrespect.

You hear that, big black dudes playing the foosball? And women in your pussy hats? You made that old white man shoot up a country concert. Why are you like that? Oh, you just are. Meanwhile, Pat Robertson shows you how to respect a man who’s not respecting women’s pussies, and how to respect a president who’s not white. (Spoiler: You don’t.)

Bryan Fischer, You Got Something In Your Mouth Right There (It Is Shit)

Too many guns? PSHAW. THERE ARE TOO FEW.

You can show people this chart all you want, it makes no difference to Bryan Fischer of the American ‘Family’ Association!

Chart stolen from Washington Post

While admitting that breaking down a hotel room door in order to confront a heavily armed assailant in the midst of carrying out a massacre “might have been difficult” for an average hotel guest, Fischer said “it certainly would create the possibility if there was somebody next door with a weapon, maybe this thing could have been stopped before 55 people were dead.”

“The problem is not too many guns,” Fischer said, “but too few.”

The police were at Stephen Paddock’s door within about 17 minutes of the shooting’s start (it would be another hour before they broke down his door). We’re sure they would have been very happy to arrive to a hotel where everybody’s just stone cold shooting through the walls of where they THINK gunshots might be coming from. (In the crowd, people thought the gunman was among them. It seems it’s not always easy to tell!) Regardless, we should definitely legalize silencers, since the GOP is still pushing their awesome silencer bill, even after Sunday night! Never stop never stopping GOP!

Dana Loesch Does Not Have Shit In Her Mouth, Oh We Can’t Fool You Guys SHE DOES!

NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch knows a slippery slope when she makes one up, and it is Congress wants to outlaw your FEET!

Oh man, Nancy Pelosi just turned us all into Johnny Got His Gun, with no arms, no legs, no eyes, no mouth. Which raises the question: What’s so noble about being dead?

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  • Asterix

    Why is Pat Robertson not dead?

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

      Fantastic healthcare.

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        Blood diamonds buy a lot of preventive care. Who knew?

    • IdiotsforPalin

      The Dick Cheney Wing in Hell is not quite done yet…..

      • Three Finger Salute

        They’re backlogged.

    • GoutMachine

      Cuz there is no god.

      • proudgrampa

        Bingo.

    • Bill D. Burger

      He never disappoints. The old holy scrotum and Taint of the Lord is way overdue for his dirt nap.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      God is no more eager to deal with that piece of shit than we are.

      • Me not sure

        God? Are we talking about the same Pat Robertson here?

    • elviouslyqueer

      Only the good die young. Which means this Satanic cocksucker will be around longer than the fucking cockroaches.

      • Christopher Story

        Jinx and amen

    • Christopher Story

      Only the good die young

    • Daniel

      He made a deal with Ted Cruz.

    • aureolaborealis

      Bathing in the blood of innocents is a hell of a drug …

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Only the good die young.

      • AmazingProfessionalCrastinator

        Except Jimmy Carter.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    Pat Robertson is not proof of God’s existence. He makes a good case for Satan, though.

  • IdiotsforPalin

    Dana, what happens when we ban your double headed dildo? Oh, the humanity!

    • BreakingDeadMen

      I wouldn’t ban her with your double headed dildo.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • h4rr4r

      Can we please not have corpse photos in the comments?

      • GoutMachine

        We need to see it. We need to bear witness. Bill raises a much-needed point: Every Congressperson needs to be shown this photo and asked this question: “Is it worth these three lives?”

        • Joe Beese

          FREEDOM ISN’T FREE

          • Oblios_Cap

            OR PAINLESS

      • arglebargle

        Can we please stop creating corpses?

      • richardgrabman

        These are mild. Yesterday was the anniversary of the Tlatelolco Massacre of 1968 here in Mexico. A photo of a student with his head blown off is not pleasant, but it prevents us from denying what happened back then. Deal with it.

        • h4rr4r

          I don’t think any of those are good to show.

          I think desensitizing folks to gunshot victims is counterproductive.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Goddammit, Bill, I know you mean well, but please, for me, don’t do that again. Send those photos to Dana Loesch.

      • proudgrampa

        Sorry, Lance. People NEED to see this. They will either react in horror and DO something, or they will do nothing.

        • Dudleydidwrong

          Agree. It is well past time to worry about offending sensibilities. Multiple deaths by automatic firearms is the ultimate offense.

        • Bill D. Burger

          Reminds me of the bodies that were strewn about after hurricane Katrina and those that littered the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan…..and Bar’ Bush asking why she should have to pollute her “beautiful mind” with images like that.

          • proudgrampa

            She was (and IS) A Idiot.

    • proudgrampa

      I am all for showing images like this. Stupid people need to be beaten over the head with the imagery.

      Eisenhower brought the press into the death camps and insisted that it all be filmed.

      Never forget.

      • Bill D. Burger

        Indeed. It’s about an hour and a half past time to stop looking away from the carnage and face the horror these sons of bitches are inflicting on us, our kids and this republic. Playing “my delicate precious nerves” will get us nowhere fast.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      Emmit Tills mother insisted that her sons funeral be open coffin, for that same reason, and she allowed Jet magazine to photograph it. I admire her courage. I don’t think any parent should ever be asked to do that, but she wanted people to understand.

      • Bill D. Burger

        From Holocaust victims, to the fallen across Vietnam, to the poor deluded people at Jonestown, we have faced the images of the victims and exposed the evil. I’m always surprised when, today, so many always want to turn away; can’t bear it; it’s always too soon; not now…. This unholy carnage will never even be tempered until we face it head on.

        • Three Finger Salute
          • Bill D. Burger

            And the image I posted came from a HuffPo listing of images. It’s also on AP, NBC, CNN….etc.

    • Changeling

      I have hide media on so I didn’t see what you posted, but just the thought reminded me of seeing my daughter dead and I’m crying here on a bus. I wish you wouldn’t do this for the sake of those of us who CAN’T bear to see. We don’t need to see it. It’s not our fault.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        I’m so sorry. I can’t begin to imagine your pain.

  • Me not sure

    Dana. How does one hold a weapon steady with that much blood on one’s hands?
    Do you carry wipes in your purse/ammo bag?

  • BMW

    If I ever meet Dana Loesch, I am going to ask her if she is going to ever finish college so she will actually have qualifications to get paid to make political statements. I am sure its just a coincidence that the biggest names in conservative punditry have no relevant education, right?

    • BMW

      (I know that has nothing to do with the specifics of this discussion, that’s just my “Go To” Dana Loesch comment.)

    • BearGHAZI

      If I ever meet Dana Loesch I am going to vomit on her and pretend it’s an accident

  • GoutMachine
  • Dudleydidwrong

    Was there also an earthquake? Something moved some rocks and these creatures slithered out from under them.

  • Boscoe

    Waiting for trump to tweet out how the people who died are patriots for giving their lives for the second amendment.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      His morning tweet, “I am so proud of our great country! God bless America!” is pretty damn close to what you are waiting for.

    • eastcoastlib

      They died so that gun manufacturers and the hedge funds who own them can afford more blow and pee hookers. We are so very exceptional.

  • ManchuCandidate

    If we outlaw profoundly stupid statements then only criminals will say profoundly stupid statements.

  • Daniel

    Right after we ban pools, cars, cigarettes, alcohol, hands feet & fists. Lives lost due to these constitute an epidemic.

    — Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 3, 2017

    There are, of course, no regulations about the sale of alcohol, cigarettes or cars nor any laws on the books about how or when those things might be used together.

    Similarly there are no laws about killing people with your hands and feet.

    Score two for Dana.

    • BMW

      You also can’t buy automatic hands and feet at a specialty store or take a pool with you to murder people with.

      • Daniel

        And the GOP will fight determinedly to stop you being able to access hands and feet via your health insurance should you ever need replacements.

    • calliecallie

      No age limit on the use of alcohol or tobacco, no licensing requirement for use of a car, no registration requirement for your vehicle.

      No government requirements to try to minimize the killing inflicted by automobiles, like seat belts or air bags or speed limits or traffic signals or anything.

      Dana Loesch, you’re drunk. Go home.

      • Daniel

        Why should she have to? If you send her home for being drunk next you’ll have to send her home for being high, or crashing her car, or shooting that guy, or having feet!

    • Me not sure

      To be truthful, pools are highly regulated too.

    • DerrickWildcat

      Ah yes, I vividly remember being issued my 1957 Cadillac during Basic Training. No no, wait it was an M16, not a 1957 Cadillac. Sorry, it’s been awhile.

  • eastcoastlib

    Sure it’s easy to blame an angry white guy with more guns than sense but what about the black people who complaint about being shot all the time by police? Aren’t they just as responsible?

    • chazmanr

      Mostly responsible. See if black folk didn’t complain about being hunted and slaughtered by the police and just showed white folks the respect they deserved, white men like Paddock wouldn’t have an angry and kill a bunch of people.
      /snark

  • Timothy Watson

    Right after we ban pools, cars, cigarettes, alcohol, hands feet & fists. Lives lost due to these constitute an epidemic.

    To be old enough to remember the GOP fighting tooth and nail to stop any restrictions on tobacco.

    • jesterpunk

      Remember the GOP handing out checks from tobacco companies on the House floor before a vote on a tobacco bill?

      • Johnny Appleseed

        Speaker Boehner was handing out the checks. Bought and paid for!

  • gingerland62

    My disappointment and shame in my white sisters since the election is giving me insight into Rachel Dolezal.

  • Iron Monkey

    The Republic of Ireland has very restrictive gun laws, While things can get stabby sometimes, you can’t kill people by the score by throwing knives at them.

    • Three Finger Salute

      And if anybody shouldn’t have access to weapons of war, it’s the fighting Irish.

  • Joe Beese

    When are we going to address the real problem, which is lazy Puerto Rican truck drivers?

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-continues-attacks-on-puerto-rico

    • Bill D. Burger

      Hard to believe they won’t barrel right in there, head on down the roads, and take those supplies inland and across the island:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca8e7da6a3f19a4f3410fb48359131007db0722c2c3415274e5a40a9ea2ec160.jpg

      • eastcoastlib

        If only we had some group of engineers and logistics experts who are trained to bring supplies into places where roads and bridges were bombed out or broken. I know, crazy, even if we had such a group of people with that training, how would they ever get there? Puerto Rico is in the ocean!!!

        • Bill D. Burger

          “Yooooge ocean. It’s bigly. It’s an island. No one knew it was an island.”

      • Oblios_Cap

        Obviously they’re all union.

    • Jack Wants Gun Control

      How long before “Puerto Ricans are stealing American jobs” becomes a thing?

      • willi0000000

        last month?

  • elviouslyqueer

    I really want to snark, but all these fucking NRA apologists and stupid fucking “religious” wingnuts who want to make this shooting about everything but MOTHERFUCKING GUNS just makes me want to cry.

  • chazmanr

    Johnson & Johnson stock up 4 points as sales of Listerine go off the charts.

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    Dear Bill, you seething sack of worthless shit-dust: “government restrictions” are what the rest of us call, in plain English, “laws.” You motherfucking toxic toad.

    We have laws against murder. People still kill. We have laws against speeding. People still drive too fast. We have laws against men dragging their wives downstairs by a hank of hair, but some guys still do that too.

    The laws don’t exist to prevent behavior, or to codify something that nobody ever does anyhow. “Hey, kids, nobody speeds anyhow, so let’s have a government restriction that says no speeding!”

    Laws exist to create a framework: to acknowledge and codify the social consensus on what we do and don’t find acceptable (note: in SaneWorld, Bill, where you do not live, people agree that shooting 59 people to death at a concert with a weapon no civilian should own in the first place is not acceptable), and to create a framework for prosecution and punishment when people transgress, as well as to create structures in the law to limit and minimize opportunities to commit the offense.

    The tradition of law goes back centuries. It is woven into what it means to be human, not that you would comprehend that, you vile old polluted fuckwit.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    So much for being too soon to politicize this.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • Three Finger Salute

      So much for right-to-life. They only support right-to-die if it means violent murder when you least expect it. Also too, if Wayne LaPierre gets a wargasm from it and creams sweet manna from heaven into the GOP’s wallets.

  • Carpe Vagenda

    Well.

    Fuck that shit.

    https://youtu.be/ruYeBXudsds

  • Scooby

    The odds of another hotel guest stopping this are less than the odds of another hotel guest just joining in.

    • jesterpunk

      It worked so well in Dallas and Oregon, wait no it didnt. In Dallas the other people with guns made it more dangerous for everyone and made it harder to find the shooter, in Oregon the gun owner said he didnt get his gun because it would make it more confusing for police who would have a hard time telling the good guys from the bad guys.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      And casinos really are not keen on the idea of a whole lot of folks packing pistols with the amount of cash lying around.

      • Scooby

        And booze

  • Bill D. Burger
    • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

      Actually, in Republican America, when Americans are killed in mine disasters Republican legislators blame safety regulations, roll them back, and celebrate corrupt mine owners as “job makers” who deserve–not regulations and the rule of law–but free goodies from the taxpayers to reward them for sending men underground in unsafe conditions in the first place.

      • dslindc

        Indeed. We must get rid of job-killing regulation so corporations can do more people-killing.

        • Stulexington

          For every person killed in an industrial accident, another job is made, praise Republican Jesus.

          • Ill-Advised

            That’s some righteous zero-sum thinking. I’m personally inclining to the view that every death is just one more reason to automate the lethal process, so that every new job is created for something that doesn’t need healthcare. Then we can all DIAF! Won’t that be great?

            (I am just a little Suzy Sunshine this morning. Prolly need moar antidepressants. Or weed.)

          • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

            Weed. And some bourbon, or maybe a good Irish, instead of cream in the coffee.

        • Three Finger Salute

          “You hosers are fuddle-duddled in the head. Enjoy having no fingers to peg us off with, eh.”

          -Canada, after the NAFTA fiasco

    • Three Finger Salute

      Fucker Gnarlson actually went to court looking to overturn seatbelt laws. He is still to this day fighting the good fight attempting to convince the legal system that being protected from flying out the windshield like a fucking projectile is an infringement on civil liberties. Also too, parents shouldn’t be forced to buckle in their kids because that’s nanny-state interference on family sovereignty.

      I’m inclined to think that Fucker Gnarlson may have hit the windshield a few times in his developing years, while smoking a tiny cigarette and riding on dad’s lap in the ol’ Studebaker.

      • laineypc

        Seat belt laws are the gateway to gun laws, or so he fears. So far, not so much.

      • richardgrabman

        It may be his right… as long as he can clean up his own brains when they’re splattered all over the highway. How he’d do that, I donno.

    • goonemeritus

      I have given up trying to understand what people disliked about Obama.

      • weighmaster

        pretty sure it was the excess of melanin.

        • Three Finger Salute

          AKA the tan birthday suit.

    • YoBunnyBunny

      Truth. And if we can decrease the numbers of deaths for something as legitimately mysterious as Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, what the fuck is so hard about decreasing the number of something as obvious as gun-related deaths?

    • Invidosa

      Gimmie him baaaaack! I want a REAL president!

  • Baconzgood

    Fuck these people.

  • Joe Beese

    Play it again, Don.

    What happened in Las Vegas is in many ways a miracle. The police department has done such an incredible job, and we’ll be talking about gun laws as time goes by.

    • Dudleydidwrong

      Miracle? No, a miracle would be if the shooter had thrown down his 23 weapons, confessed his intent, and asked for forgiveness and help. Shooting 550 people is not a miracle, you fucking dipshit. And just how does a reptile like Trump measure time? (Sorry to offend reptiles by the comparison.)

  • BMW

    Bryan Fischer is so worried about what the Bible says about gay people he overlooked what it says about not killing people.

    • Three Finger Salute

      I hate this guy and I can’t believe there was a nonzero integer percentage of people in Massachusetts who voted for him for governor.

  • Johnny Appleseed

    He just proved the lie that the only thing to stop a madman with a gun was arming citizens. Clearly, no one should shoot upward. It’s still a lie. And gee, no high-rises anywhere else either. Much.

  • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

    Good to know that Pat Robertson thinks that the solution to any problem is more authoritarianism. The password is always swordfish.

  • House0fTheBlueLights

    The thing is, Dana, we managed to regulate all those things without taking them away from anyone. Oh, except the feet part, which is the hundreds paralyzed because some murderer’s right to a weapon was more important than some mother’s daughter.

    • Three Finger Salute

      No, take them away. Americans have proven that they can’t be responsible. It’s long overdue that we disarm ourselves of these weapons of war. If Cletus can’t have access to a nuke then neither should Donald Trump.

  • ariel_gee_398

    Give Dana Loesch a break. She’s just trying to get Bravo to pick up her show: The Real Housewives of the NRA.

    • Christopher Story

      It would last three episodes and end in assault charges for everyone.

      • Rebel Scum with permit

        They’d have to cancel it after some 3 year old shot one of the lead characters with her own gun, which she’d left in her purse, in the back seat of the car.
        I’m just feeling dark today

        • Christopher Story

          I’m right there with you. Everybody has that pet issue that is especially important to them; mine just happens to gun violence. So I take this senselessness especially personally.

      • ariel_gee_398

        Isn’t that how all those shows go?

        • Christopher Story

          I was including producers, teamsters, camera operators et al in my fantasy.

  • An an “official NRA spokeperson” Dana Loesch has blood on her wherever’s.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    Dana, we regulate pools. And cigarettes, and alcohol, and cars. We require licenses and permits and age limits. And when people misuse cars or alcohol, we arrest them and prosecute them to the full extent of the law.

    • dslindc

      Typical librul using facts and common sense to make an argument!

    • sincarne

      Pools and cars also require insurance (or at the very least having appropriate riders.)

    • ariel_gee_398

      Yeah, but cigarettes aren’t in the Constitution, dummy. It’s not life, liberty, and a lap pool. QED, I can own a tank if I want to.

      • C4TWOMAN

        I will only feel safe once I have my own, personal orbital missile platform.

        I’m SURE that’s exactly what the framers of the constitution had in mind.

    • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

      More to the point, stop pretending that we want to ban guns.

      • SisterArtemis

        YES! I am so fucking sick of that particular talking point. I know a lot of librul-to-lefty folk. I’d say half of them are perfectly comfortable with firearms, and own them, or are at least proficient with them (some from hunting, some from military experience). I’ve met a handful of people who wanted an outright ban, and 4 of them were from the UK, where the gun-fetish thing is not so much A Thing. So, with those exceptions duly noted, all the liberal/lefty people I know are in favor of regulation, and actually quite opposed to outright bans.

        The “Ban Guns” contingent is not really a thing the NRA/Gun-fan crowd needs to worry about. Makes a good fundraising tool, though.

        • Good_Gawd_Yall

          Oh, but without the straw-men “liberals” who want to ban guns and the mythical “forced abortions” crowd, the only “enemy” they’d have is people with reasonable points of view, and arguing nonsense v. reason is, ya know, hard.

  • DesertedPictures

    Was disrespecting the president also the reason for gun violence before Trump?

    • dslindc

      Nah, just buttsecks and gay marriage.

      • Oblios_Cap

        Kids today don’t know anything!

    • Relativicus

      No, that was Obama being all divisive and shit.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    Uncle Dotard, drooling vaguely English like sounds from his two scoops hole in PR:

    https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/status/915250261177794565

    • Resistance Fighter Callyson

      “We can’t see it–we also can’t see any meaningful aid from your incompetent administration, asshole!”

      – Puerto Rico

    • georgiaburning

      a couple dozen more C-130 transport planes might be more useful here, Donnie

      • h4rr4r

        C-5 Galaxy!

        • Three Finger Salute

          He should have his twitterphone taken away and replaced with a non-functioning C-64.

      • mailman27

        Yeah, but you can actually see those, so…

    • ariel_gee_398

      I think it’s time for me to make a batch of queso and pull out a bottle of whisky. I can’t take anymore of today.

    • Rebel Scum with permit

      It’s not going to help people. It’s a fighter plane. I can’t even.

    • kaydenpat

      ??? WTH? Did he actually see the suffering of the Puerto Rican people? Wasn’t the point of his trip to see the destruction in Puerto Rico?

      I just cannot with this idiot.

      • Nockular cavity

        Maybe they were on the invisible F-35s.

    • MOG253

      Who was supposed to be watching him today???? Jared?? UFB.

    • Joe Beese

      I wanted to believe that was satire, but then I remembered.

    • C4TWOMAN

      So no luck with food, water, medical supplies….?

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        Oh, they’re here! Tons of them! They’re just on the F-35s, and that’s why you can’t see them.

      • OneYieldRegular

        You literally can’t see those either.

    • cmd resistor

      I tuned in in the middle of that and thought WTF? I figured I had just missed something that would have explained it But apparently not. He followed up talking about how great the Coast Guard had done in Harvey.

    • Bill D. Burger
    • alpacapunchbowl
    • PubOption

      You can’t see the F-35’s because they are broken and can’t be flown.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Obviously, the people at the concert should have all been packing an F-35.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Public safety demands logical gun laws but the issue is so polarizing and emotional that little will be accomplished as there is no common ground.

    And from my vantage point, most of the emotion comes from the gun fondlers. I wonder why that is…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7883876b3328f821ed54369b26e6411a894e571897b0c0eac448ea12ae577266.jpg

  • Relativicus

    Sure, everybody is talking about the 600+ who were shot, but who’s speaking out for the 21,000+ who didn’t? No one, that’s who. Fake News!

    • Three Finger Salute

      We still have 330 million people in the country, so, turns out that whole thing was just a grain of sand in the desert! Not bad!

    • richardgrabman

      We still have two out of three branches of government, and that ain’t bad. (President James Dale)

  • kaydenpat

    I’m not aware of any epidemic of people being killed/murdered by all those items mentioned by Dana but that’s just me.

  • MOG253

    And my wingnut neighbors are concentrating on the reporter who said they were gun-toting Repubs and deserved it. Paging Alice, we are so through the looking glass.

    • Stulexington

      Did you assure your wingnut neighbour that the reporter was joking? They seem to think that makes it all better.

  • MAZS

    It wasn’t clear for the first 227 years BillO. Until Scalia decided to go all “not originalist” on us in Heller, the Second Amendment essentially only applied to militias. I guess that was probably because Americans didn’t use guns before then–right, cowboys.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      And we must remember that Scalia’s specious argument was the the Englishmen had the right to bear arms (albeit it was for shooting Catholics).

      • alpacapunchbowl

        He was a real peach.

    • Celtic_Gnome

      Not even cowboys. It was against the law to carry a loaded weapon off your property.

  • Joe Beese

    Right-wingers be anxious!

    But there’s going to be incredible pressure coming from the media, the Democrats and any squishy Republicans in his own caucus. Is President Trump going to consider taking a meeting with “Chuck and Nancy” on this subject? We know how he loves to make deals, and he’s sorely in need of some legislative victories this year. The truth is that there are enough Republicans with cold feet on the subject that some new gun restrictions could probably make it through both chambers and Trump could be the only thing standing in their way. If the Democrats offer to sweeten the deal on one of his other priorities, might he sign off on something like more burdensome background checks or magazine capacity limitations?

    My gut instinct says no. I agree with Steve Bannon that this would be the massive straw which shatters the conservative camel’s back into a thousand pieces and I’m sure the President knows it. No matter how tough the pressure gets, he always seems to circle back to shoring up the base and this would be an absolute deal breaker.

    But can we be 100% sure? I’m close, but I’m not quite there yet.

  • WeaselPoo

    Slight tangent: via raw story. Florida man drunk off his ass shoots at neighbors who were illegally target shooting in their back yard.
    All good guys with guns of course. (No one even wounded, let alone killed).

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Las Vegas…the price of freedom keeps going up.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Maybe he just didn’t like Mondays.

  • Ezio

    The Republicans didn’t even bother to deal with current gun laws when one of their own representatives got shot. What makes you think the Las Vegas shooting is any different?

    • jesterpunk

      They decided the solution was more guns with less restrictions.

      • Ezio

        Damn, even the “this is only an issue when it happens to me” doesn’t even work on them anymore.

        • jesterpunk

          The NRA talks to them really loudly and that is hard for their bank account to ignore.

        • jesterpunk

          That shooter was just doing what the second amendment was made for from what Rand Paul says.

          https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/746022114042478592?lang=en

          • Ezio

            Truly, country music concerts are the ultimate expression of a tyrannical government.

          • jesterpunk

            I meant the congress critter shooter, sorry should have been clearer there.

  • MynameisBlarney

    She looks like an aging transsexual pr0n star.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • writersbloc

      mmmmmmmmmm

    • Three Finger Salute

      Well, Caitlyn Jenner is A Asshole too. I guess every group has their rejects and kapos.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Wasn’t she in Assmasters 5?

      • MynameisBlarney

        LOL

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        Uncredited Asshole #8, maybe?

  • mailman27

    Yeah, dana, no. Except for “hands and feet” which is too stupid for comment, all the things you mention are heavily regulated.

    • BearLeft

      And the federal Center for Disease Control and Prevention is allowed to, and does, study and compile statistics regarding deaths and injuries resulting from all of those instrumentalities, but, as a result of GOP pandering to the NRA, it is NOT PERMITTED to track or publish anything about the public health risks of firearms. If it weren’t a problem, why would anyone care?

  • Dr. Rrrrrobotnik

    Just the sheer amount of phobia, misinformation, and flat-out bad faith the other side has on this makes it so damn exhausting. Like, their arguments almost always boil down to

    1. Laws wouldn’t help. Then why have laws on anything?
    2. Look at Chicago!!! Chicago lives next to Indiana, Wisconsin, and the rest of Illinois: i.e. bastions of gun-humping Republican shitheads. The gangs know exactly where to shop and oddly manage to have motor transportation.
    3. Need to have guns to prevent genocide and tyranny! Who, exactly, is planning a genocide around here? The sheer paranoia underpinning this one, and how common it is, makes me deeply tired.
    4. Need to have guns in case of invasion! Then what the fuck is the military for?
    5. [Insert innocuous household item here] kills people too! Yeah, but that’s not their designated purpose. Cars are meant to drive, not commit vehicular manslaughter. Guns kill and maim. They have no other purpose.
    6. THEY’RE COMING TO TAKE OUR GUNS!!1! Sigh.

    And on and on and on. There’s no fucking end to it, it’s like they’ve become so psychologically dependent on guns that they’ll just pull excuses out of thin air till we get blue in the face and give up. Is there even any point to this debate? They have the votes, we don’t. Therefore, nothing will happen, and we’ll get lowered gun laws as a gratuitous kick in the balls for our trouble.

    • Stulexington

      6. THEY’RE COMING TO TAKE OUR GUNS!!1

      It always concerns me how many people are worried their guns are going to be taken away as soon as someone mentions taking guns away from the mentally unstable.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      And there are gun shops in Chicago.

    • ariel_gee_398

      I’m amazed they have the energy to keep up the lies. How do they not feel as heartsick about all the loss as we do?

    • alpacapunchbowl

      3. Paranoia yes, racism also too.

  • Oblios_Cap

    She’s one of the hot GOP ladies? I guess they like women that have evil oozing out of every pore in their bodies.

    • CafeenMan

      She thinks she’s hot which makes her very unattractive even before you consider anything else about her.

    • Christopher Story

      I think she’s visually stunning. I can be that honest. And I honestly believe she deserves her own ring in hell with all these other gun fetishists.

      • Oblios_Cap

        If you say so. I generally like dark haired women, but there’s just something about her that turns me off.

        • Christopher Story

          I could be the wierdo

          • Three Finger Salute

            Never stick your barrel in crazy

  • Major_Major_Major

    Dana, we have a false equivalency on line 3.

    • CafeenMan

      I’m surprised she didn’t mention spoons.

      • Major_Major_Major

        You can’t always hit it out of the park errytime

        • CafeenMan

          But she had hours to refer to her NRA talking points. And she’s been doing this for quite some time now.

          She’s a professional. I expect more of her.

          Wait… she’s a Republican professional so I really just expect corruption and incompetence.

          As you were…

  • DerrickWildcat

    NRA; Proper Gun Handling instruction video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlthhaQag6Y

    • Nockular cavity

      But that guy’s SMART. “It’s murder–and someone’s responsible!”

  • CafeenMan

    I love how they always bring up cars and pools. And when I mention that I’d love for guns to be regulated as much as cars and pools are they decide that’s the time to move the goal posts and talk about guns being a Constitutional “right” while cars and pools aren’t.

    But their argument started with how “deadly” these things are, not “rights”. Only when their argument is shown to be the bullshit it is then they grab their security blanket.

    So if “hands, feet and fists” are as deadly as guns then why do gun nuts need guns? Their hands, feet and fists came as standard equipment when they were born, they don’t need to be licensed, they require no ammo and they can take them anywhere they go – in fact it’s recommended.

  • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

    Interesting how there’s about say, zero tales of heroic civilians doing some heroic murder-stopping by using their pew-pew machines.

    In fact there are more quotes from on-location gun-carriers (since we’ve got so many mass-killings to look at now) who were afraid to start blasting for rational and sensible reasons, like “I might miss and hurt someone else” or “I might get mistaken as the bad guy” than there are tales of folks doing a Dirty Harry with their family safemaker / hole-putter-inners.

    It’s like the NRA is just a handful of tropes from classic videogames intros.

    “IT IS FORETOLD THAT A LONE HERO WILL ONE DAY ARISE AND WIELD THE WEAPON THAT WILL RESTORE THE WORLD FROM EVIL!”

    • h4rr4r
    • CafeenMan

      Gun nuts tell us that there are approximately 2 million defensive gun uses in the USA every year.

      One guy even posted a bunch of links that amounted to about 15 stories over the same number of years.

      So basically with over 30K shootings every year, one of those is “justified”. I’m sure the number is higher than that but it’s much smaller than the number of innocents killed and the laughably fictitious number of “2 million” would be wrong even if you included all the shootings in all the movies and tv shows every year.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        Of course, to them, if someone is awoken by a loud noise, wakes up and grabs the bedside gun, goes to explore and finds someone ran away after trying to jimmy a window, that is a “defensive gun use,” and becomes part of their statistics. Their methodology, is to put it politely, suspect.

  • Joe Beese
  • Randy Riddle

    “NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch knows a slippery slope when she makes one up, and it is Congress wants to outlaw your FEET!”

    She forgot Jarts.

  • georgiaburning

    Said it before here- you want a military style weapon, you show up every other weekend and take your training from the drill instructor. Passing the physical is mandatory.

    • jesterpunk

      But the NRA has people convinced that just buying a gun because you want it makes you better then anyone in the military or police because they have guns because they are paid.

  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly
  • Three Finger Salute

    That woman has crazy eyes. She shouldn’t be allowed to possess anything sharper than a cottonball.

  • Paperless Tiger

    Buzzards.

  • shivaskeeper

    To Billo: The 2nd Amendment is not a fucking suicide pact. It. Is. Not.

    To Pat R: I thought the Gheys were the source of all the problems? In any case your god is so petty and vindictive he ordered and allowed the death of 59 people and well over 500 to be wounded because people don’t like Two Scoops? Or kneeling for the Anthem? You god is shit Pat.

    To Bryan: I can teach you how to breach a room. I did enough room clearing in my time. One thing I would not do is breach a fucking room without the rest of my fucking fire team and armed only with a pistol. You ignorant, racist, homophobic piece of shit.

    And finally to Dana: Most of those things are regulated already. Those regulations have done some good. Do they stop all ignorant jackasses from committing crimes? They do not. However they do give us as a society the ability to deal with someone who breaks the laws or regulations you ignorant fuck.

    ETA: Also to Billo: The well regulated militia? It’s the fucking military you worship. The National Guard is the well regulated militia. The whole Citizen/Soldier thing. The ones who do actual training on how to do actual military stuff with actual military equipment. The ones who get called out during emergencies because they are fucking trained to do shit. The well regulated militia is not some fuck in a bunker dreaming of the day it gets to go be a hero.

    • shivaskeeper

      Refresh for the edit.

    • jesterpunk

      For point number 2, would you trust one of these idiots to protect you while breaching a room?

      • shivaskeeper

        With training. No shit actual training. The same training, standards, and evaluations I had. Of course that would be too difficult for all of them, so fuck no.

        Just the fact that asshole thinks a single person breaching a room with a pistol is a good idea tells me everything I need to know.

    • proudgrampa

      Yeah. That God guy. He seems nice.

      Asshole.

      • shivaskeeper

        Robertson’s god is an asshole. Petty, evil, vindictive, random punishments of random people unrelated and not associated with who is supposedly being punished. and on and on and on.

        In fact Robertson’s god acts a whole lot like Robertson himself. Odd how that works.

        • proudgrampa

          Yup.

  • janetintexas

    Thank you for tying this to the issue of abortion, because I have always said that it is a self-defense issue just like guns. If a George Zimmerman can blast somebody away ’cause he’s scared! then a woman can abort a pregnancy because she’s afraid for her health, life, well-being, whatever, too.

    • kaydenpat

      True. And because it is her right, a woman shouldn’t have to give a reason for wanting to have an abortion. That’s her private decision.

  • Oblios_Cap

    I wouldn’t fuck Dana Loesch with Anthony’s Weiner.

  • Christopher Story

    It’s human sacrifice. The cost of freedom is dead Americans? That’s bloody human sacrifice you barbarians. Neolithic trogladytes need to pick your fucking nuckles up off the ground and finish evolving.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Mammon and Moloch. The gods of the American right.

      • Christopher Story

        Bullets go in, death comes out
        You can’t explain that

        • C4TWOMAN

          Who knew?

    • Major_Major_Major

      Watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants innocents.

    • C4TWOMAN

      Neolithic Peoples Libelz!

    • Bill D. Burger

      Republicans and Rightie Cons and Baggers are ALWAYS willing to die for freedom…and bleed to the last drop of your or someone else’s blood.

    • kaydenpat

      Bill O’Reilly actually said that this in response to the Las Vegas massacre. That’s how they think. Yet they call themselves pro-life.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Loesch is truly a vile creature.

  • C4TWOMAN

    Is there a better “Johnny Got His Gun” link? That edition has a forward by Cindy Sheehan, who we all thought was a liberal anti war activist, but was actually some Tea Partyish conspiracy troll later found to be working with racists like Jamie Kelso:

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QSEN-75WgC8/UXpANxscEyI/AAAAAAAAASs/6tGyT8j6Mao/s1600/150518.966cindy_sheehan_jamie__orig.jpg

    Who Jamie Kelso is:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Kelso

    FYI

  • Ezio

    What? Haven’t YOU ever seen someone use their feet to kill 50+ people in less than an hour?

    • Bill D. Burger
      • Stulexington

        And also too said militias should be well regulated.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          A well regulated militia means an NCO is in your face about weapons storage and cleanliness.

          The ammosexuals would not stand for that.

          • Stulexington

            no, they’d be too busy doing pushups till they learned how to respect their firearm. That was issued to them by the militia.

          • C4TWOMAN

            LOL at pushups. Have you seen this lot?

          • Oblios_Cap

            They like their guns hot and dirty…

          • alpacapunchbowl

            And they say we’re the ones who don’t respect the troops.
            Yep, uh-huh.

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            Yeah, I’m guessing this dude would not be amenable to strict military discipline…

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e44521e81e46477be04e87c8b9f81507c1de99f4dc383a487b80ec1b77a327a.png

          • Three Finger Salute

            Wow, Russell Brand really let himself go.

          • Nockular cavity

            And holding you responsible when your weapon “accidentally” discharges.

        • MynameisBlarney

          The only part the gunts know is the “shall not be infringed” part.
          They cherry-pick the Constitution just like the cherry-pick the bible.

          • PubOption

            A few years ago some ammosexuals claimed that the second amendment meant that ‘the people’ could keep guns to regulate (keep in line) the militia (Army , National Guard, etc).

      • Three Finger Salute

        I feel the same way about the 1A and social media.

    • C4TWOMAN

      Enter the Dragon?

    • Major_Major_Major

      I’ll need to check the old Kung Fu Theatre, but that MAY have been staged.

    • CafeenMan

      Chuck Norris did but he killed so many so fast nobody ever got an accurate count.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Uma Thurman? I know, she had a sword, too.

    • DerrickWildcat

      Fuckin’ Billy Jack, Man

    • kaydenpat

      No. But I live in the real world and not the Rightwing Hellscape occupied by Dana and her ilk.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Bruce Lee?

    • WotsAllThisThen

      “Too soon!!!” – the ants

  • Jack Wants Gun Control

    Bill, Bill, Bill. Do you honestly think mass stabbings will become a thing if your precious NRA dollars. . . err, I mean ‘gun rights’ are taken away from you? You honestly think a 64 year old man could have fucking STABBED 500 people in, what was it? Ten minutes? Fifteen? If tht’s the breed of crazy we’re up against, then we’re just all doomed, Bill. DOOMEDI say!

    As for the official NRA mouthpiece up there, maybe banning cigarettes wouldn’t be the craziest idea in the world. I mean, not like you can smoke them in many places anymore anyway.

    The gun nut’s ‘slippery slope’ is greased with the blood of dead kids. Honestly, what do they think? Do they think? They say “we have to be armed to defend against tyranny!” Have they ever said what, exactly, they’d do if the nasty gubmint came after their tinker toys? Who, exactly, do they think the gubmint will SEND after them? Cops? The Military? The people they now worship so much that they can’t shut up about them? Aren’t they really saying “We need guns to kill cops and US soldiers”?

    Of course, they didn’t really think that far ahead. They’re like those white nationalists who swear up and down that they’re not nazis, they just want a ‘white ethno-state’ yet can’t actually tell you how they plan to get there. Sure, they start with talk of deportation, but corner them on the logistics of the forced deportation of hundreds of millions of Americans and they have no answer,other than the same one the nazis did.

    It’s no big mystery why there’s so much overlap between the gun nuts and the white supremacists. To groups one colossal mass of stupid.

    • Villago Delenda Est

      One of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment was arming militias to deal with slave revolts. The love of the gun and chattel slavery are intertwined.

      • Jack Wants Gun Control

        And don’t understate the power of white fear.

        • Villago Delenda Est

          It explains why Ronald Reagan eagerly signed the most restrictive gun control legislation of the 60’s.

          After the Black Panthers legally open carried rifles in Sacramento.

  • EVERYBODY’S GOT THE RIGHT: MOAR GUNS MOAR SONDHEIM

    And so John Wilkes Booth, Charles Guiteau, and Sarah Jane Moore try to persuade Leon Czolgosz to take out WIlliam McKinley:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSATqUjdovM

  • spangled

    owning a gun does not turn you into rambo.

    hell, if rambo himself was at this festival, he wouldn’t have been able to take down the shooter – he was fucking 32 stories up!

    • Villago Delenda Est

      Trivial details. Yes, the entire crowd opening fire on a hotel. This makes sense.

    • If rambo himself was at this festival and had a rocket launcher…

      • WotsAllThisThen

        Or that bow and arrow with explosive tips.

      • spangled

        *googling to make sure you can’t legally buy rocket launchers in the US because I JUST DON’T KNOW ANYMORE*

    • Mavenmaven

      But Bruce Willis could have!!!

  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

    Until republicans are voted out of office no one is safe.

    • kaydenpat

      That’s it. They are willing to sacrifice American lives to the NRA. They’re not going to change.

  • goonemeritus

    I learned this morning that 3% of Americans own more than 50% of the guns in our country. Could we not just move them to a distant island off the coast of Maine and let nature take its course.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Hell, I’d be willing to give them Wyoming. Or even Florida.

      • goonemeritus

        Only if we build a wall.

        • ariel_gee_398

          But not one of those transparent walls. A nice bullet-proof one.

          • goonemeritus

            I would want something that makes the Korean DMZ look like Disney attraction.

          • Christopher Story

            Alligators with laser beams on their frickin heads.

          • goonemeritus

            I believe crocodiles are more intemperate.

    • I’d take a George Carlin-like approach, ship em all off to a large rectangular state like Wyoming and fence em in. Then they can shoot their penis guns wherever and at whomever they please.

    • kaydenpat

      I’d doubt they would let you do anything to them. I’m sure they own so many guns because they’re paranoid as hell.

      • goonemeritus

        97 to 3, I like those odds.

    • Marla

      Give them Texas and let them purge each other.

      • goonemeritus

        To much space for only 3%.

        • Marla

          Easier for the crows and coyotes to pick them clean.

      • jesterpunk

        What about the good people in Texas?

      • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

        I think a Caribbean island or two are available.

        (Too soon?)

    • Impatient

      Had seen this a while back, and had wasted an hour making a little ‘for example’ spreadsheet of the possible cost of all the weapons and ammunition that these ‘super-ammosexuals’ own, beyond the level of your more run-of-the-mill homeowner/hunter.

      Keeping the guesstimates fairly conservative, the super-ammosexuals have spent about $100 billion (yes billion) beyond what Mr. Typical Gunowner would have spent. And yet we have to keep sending money to the red states? So they can keep exporting death and failing to plan for drainage in their cities?

      Thoughts and Parrots. Thoughts and Parrots.

  • memzilla Ω
  • Carpe Vagenda

    a slightly different flavor of shit? Or perhaps the Mooch’s own cock.

    “We have absolutely no idea what the Scaramucci Post is, and neither do you,” he told a reporter from the Hill newspaper who asked him to describe his publication in 10 seconds. “But we launched it today and we launched with great fanfare, and so we’ll have to see how the whole thing unfolds.”

    Scaramucci unveiled the venture at the Hunt and Fish Club, a posh restaurant near Times Square that the 53-year-old dabbler co-founded. The event was initially advertised as a party, but Scaramucci made a last-minute decision to turn it into a roundtable discussion on how to “move forward” following the mass shooting in Las Vegas.

    Reporters gathered for a quasi-press conference in the restaurant’s softly lit basement, which they quickly dubbed the “Mooch Cave.” There, Scaramucci offered a smattering of details that gave a sort of impressionistic idea of what his namesake project might be.

    The Scaramucci Post will have no website, for one thing. Instead, it will distribute content on social media platforms with a focus on reaching millennials, Scaramucci said.

    But the Scaramucci Post will have reporters — eventually. Right now, he is working with “limited personnel,” as he told reporters from Barstool Sports, a men’s lifestyle website. “But we’re going to turn it into a big enterprise.”

    “Maybe we’ll be the Barstool Sports of the political discourse,” he said in the live-streamed discussion. He described an “open seam in the society right now” with increasingly shrill news coming from the political left and right. He said the Scaramucci Post will “fill that seam,” somehow.

  • goingohm

    Hopefully, today the nurse will remember to put the pills in Pat’s apple sauce.

  • kaydenpat

    Funny how the NRA never advocates for Black gun owners like Philando Castille.

    • Ezio

      “If every black male 18 – 35 applied for a conceal & carry permit, then joined the NRA in one day; there would be gun control laws in a second”. -Wendell Pierce

      • TundraGrifter

        Proof! The Black Panthers took advantage of California’s rather lax “open carry” laws and displayed rifles and shotguns in Sacramento in front of the state capital building. Huey Newton had researched the law and knew precisely what firearms they could display.

        Want to guess how long it took for Gov. Ronald Reagan to get those laws changed?

        • WotsAllThisThen

          He changed the laws faster than he changed his underwear.

    • Mavenmaven

      or the 12 year old black child they shot playing with TOY gun.

    • Daniel

      This particular NRA spokeswoman explained after being called on just that point that Castille had had THC in his system, and drugs and guns together are an illegal combination (weird how that doesn’t count as a regulation, that) so he was breaking the law and thus the NRA couldn’t support him.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        Because of course the cops who murdered him could tell that there was THC in his system. Because . . . reasons and shut up, is why.

      • kaydenpat

        Or his skin was black so they won’t support him. Let’s keep it real. I’m sure White people who own guns use drugs too.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    What can we do. It’s just like the NRA said. You can’t outlaw murder y’know.

  • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

    Everybody laughed in the seventies when Archie Bunker suggested giving everybody on an airplane a gun in order to prevent hijackings.

    Now that any idiot can easily get as many guns as they want, and we have daily mass shootings, nobody seems to be laughing.

  • Marla

    Tell me Dana, after you terrorist video a few months back and your fetid stench of NRA rhetoric that spews from your festering gob, how much money did you make yesterday when stocks in gun sales went up? I have another question for you. Are you willing to give to profits to those families and victims who suddenly have enormous funeral cost, outrageous medical bills and most likely lifelong treatment from say, having a fucking bullet in their body that cannot be removed? You willing to help those who are now paralyzed but donating not only your fucking blood money with physical therapy and have they have to adjust to a life in a wheelchair or are you going to put it all away in your safe little offshore Cayman Island account and masturbate yourself with a rifle waiting for the next mass shooting to occur so you can profit from that as well?

  • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

    Cars have a purpose other than murdering things. Pools have a purpose other than murdering things. My fists can form middle fingers to brandish at Dana Loesch, so they have a very useful purpose other than murder too.

    Are there other machines solely made for murder? I wonder how they stack up!

    OH! How about a hand grenade? Not useful for say, getting your kids to school, or for an enjoyable summer party unlike pools and cars. Totally could have finished the Las Vegas guy. Next room neighbor coulda pulled a pin and five seconds later, murder spree ended! Oh gosh, but those are illegal! Weird.

    How about a rocket launcher! That fits the profile of machine built solely to murder! Huh, what do you know, those are illegal too?

    Landmines? Strictly for murder, so, check. Those actually seem like they’d protect your precious iBoxes and XPhones from thieves better than a semi-auto AR-whatever which requires you to actually be home at the time when someone is trying to steal your electronic plastic doodads and shit. So surely we can plant mines in our front yard, right? WAT?? Those are illegal too?!

    It almost seems like every other primarily military munition meant solely for murder has been restricted from civilian ownership!
    It’s almost like a basic common sense universal concept, like “average schmoes can’t be trusted with dangerous lethal weaponry” or something.

    • Stulexington

      Swords also too. Swords only exist for killing folks and they’re more heavily regulated than guns.

    • Poorly Behaved Pérsistanista

      Well, thanks a lot. We have a pool and I’m now wondering what it would look like if I threw a hand grenade in it.

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        JOIN THE NGA TODAY

    • clubseal

      That’s all I try to do whenever I discuss this issue with people who play the “Second Amendment” card – if you agree that we shouldn’t let people have hand grenades, rocket launchers, and nuclear bombs, then you agree that there are arbitrary constraints that do not violate the amendment. It really is that simple.

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        “We’ve established what kind of Amendment you are, Madam. All we’re doing now is haggling over the price.”

        I do that too. “We’re talking about rational reasonable limits to the kinds of weaponry available to average people, as we have done with all other categories of dangerous materials and weapons. However, I’d like you to please note exactly who’s talking rationally, and who’s nuking the entire conversation portraying it as if jackboot troops are literally going to come into your house and confiscate your property by force.”

    • Meccalopolis

      But you can too hunt with rocket launchers

      • GHERKINS OF RESTIVENESS!

        “Hello Mister Taxidermist? I need you to mount my latest kill. Pretty sure it’s a buck. How big is it? About 20 feet in diameter, maybe six or seven feet up in the trees, and about 4 feet deep in the crater part.”

  • TundraGrifter

    If only one of those concert-goers had taken a 50-cal elephant gun to the event!

    • jesterpunk

      Then the death toll would have been higher?

      • georgiaburning

        it would include the person with the elephant gun

  • Notreelyhelping

    I don’t see any reason to take someone on the NRA’s payroll any more seriously than I do a late-night commercial pitchman telling me I can lose weight and eat anything I want if I just TAKE THIS PILL!!!!

    Operators are standing by.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Like listening to a fox give you a status report on hen house security.

      • Raan

        Or like taking the SS’s word for it that all of these Jews have been happily resettled in the east.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        For a minute I thought you were talking about the FoxNews dirtbags giving status reports on the lady hens… But I see what you’re doing. Both are still skeezy.

    • laineypc

      If only there was actual research to inform gun policy. Oh wait, the NRA took away the funding for that, too.
      http://www.newsweek.com/government-wont-fund-gun-research-stop-violence-because-nra-lobbying-675794

  • Stulexington

    IT”S NOT A GUN BAN!!!! No one is trying to ban all guns forever stop the intentional fucking hyperbole. It’s called regulation, like it says in the fucking constitution asshole.

    • They should.

    • jesterpunk

      They almost admit they shouldn’t have guns when regulations come up. Like an actual training requirement would prove they shouldn’t be allowed to have anything more dangerous then a cap gun.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      It is simply a temporary gun travel restriction until our leaders can figure out what’s going on.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher
    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      The gunnuts and the gunrunners have long had a “scorched-earth” policy regarding any form of gun regulation whatsoever. They also work to prevent government entities like the CDC doing scientific studies on gun violence. Anything that may threaten these scumbags is taken as an existential attack on them.

      All because profits.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        Jokes on the gun manufacturers/sellers. If they just let us libtards regulate guns, they’ll be able to have non-stop “Going Out of Business Sales”

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      speaking of bans, it’s a good thing we are no longer allowing scary muslims into this country. I don’t know about you, but that makes me feel so much safer.

      • Stulexington

        IKR, but I feel like we can do more. Lets ban all religions that started in the Middle East.

    • progressive minded people would get more traction if, when confronted with they “they’re trying to take all our penis guns!!!” argument, they didn’t fall on their ass every time refuting a position they never took in the first place. It sucks that progressives fall for this shit. The discussion immediately goes from “what can we do about it” to “that’s not what we meant” and it’s beyond maddening.

      Maybe a simple “no we’re not trying to take your stupid penis guns away, stop deflecting and shut the fuck up for a second, you’re getting HYSTERICAL” and promptly move the discussion back to “what can we do about it” might be the ticket.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        This. As long as we allow the gunrunners and gunnuts control of the conversation, we are going to be going nowhere but Hell and gone.

  • proudgrampa

    I think we’re coming to the end of the line…

    https://youtu.be/UMVjToYOjbM

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      I adore the Traveling Wilburys, and have had that song in my head since last night.

  • JesusWasAHippie

    GRRRR … FUCK! GUN CONTROL IS NOT THE ANSWER! Don’t you tree huggers know that it’s just as easy – easier even – to sneak five or six hundred knives into that hotel room, and then hurl the knives really hard, one by one, into that crowd? And kill at least 59 people? And injure some 500+ more? Are we going to ban knives next?
    What happens happens. Nothing to be done.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      But, not lawn darts because those are banned in this country.

      • JesusWasAHippie

        Jesus wept.

    • unclejeems

      Well, I’d go with nunchucks myself, but yeah . . .

  • jesterpunk
    • (((fka_donnie_d))), SOB

      And scene!

    • puredog

      If you follow the link and scroll down you will learn — if you didn’t already know — that the Onion invariably runs this exact same headline after each mass shooting.

  • jesterpunk
    • Stulexington

      Maybe if we ignore them they’ll get embarrassed and go away on their own.

      • jesterpunk

        We have already tried doing nothing, lets do that again but with more ignoring and see if it works.

        • Stulexington

          We need to double down on the doing nothing, lets roll things back to when they were worse, I’m sure it’ll be better this time around.

          • jesterpunk

            Can we go back to the Wild West? Not the imaginary Wild West, the real one.

            http://www.politico.com/story/2011/01/even-tombstone-had-gun-laws-047366#comments

            In late 1880, as regional violence ratcheted up, Tombstone strengthened its existing ban on concealed weapons to outlaw the carrying of any deadly weapons within the town limits. The Earps (who were Republicans) and Doc Holliday maintained that they were acting as law officers—not citizen vigilantes—when they shot their opponents. That is to say, they were sworn officers whose jobs included enforcement of Tombstone’s gun laws.

          • Stulexington

            Ah, those by-gone days of sensible gun regulations.

        • Elvis Causticfellow

          We’ll call it “enhanced ignoring.”

    • Raan

      “We’ve tried nothin’ and we’re all out of ideas.”

  • Anna Rompage

    “Just so were clear, people with mental health issues have pretty much unfettered access to firearms, but not healthcare”

    • jesterpunk

      The GOP made it easier this year for anyone to get guns and made it harder to prevent people from having them.

    • Stulexington

      Wouldn’t want their rights to get infringed. You know as long as they’re white and have money to buy guns.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Yup. I suffer from depression, bipolar and other shit. Getting a shotgun was a nobrainer. (I don’t have it now because I am feeling depressed, so I let a friend take it off my hands, just in case…)

      • Three Finger Salute

        I’m OK with not being allowed any guns, but if I can’t pull a Smith & Wesson lobotomy, I still do think that if people like me want a morphine bag to alleviate their worries permanently, we should have the right to have one. No one else runs the risk of getting hurt unlike with guns.

        I suffer not only from the symptoms but the stigma and shame, and that part is never going away. Especially not as long as this kind of shit keeps happening and “the mentally ill” get associated with violence over and over again. Make it so that nobody can have them and that way no one has to get singled out.

        But if that’s not going to happen, then we need to start opening up Soylent Green clinics. Planned Reaperhood. I know I’m a leper, and I hate it. There’s no cure. I’m stuck this way until I die anyway, so it really makes no difference if that happens at 35 or 75. The former is better because what’s the use in spending 40 more years being a noncontributing zero who gets lumped in with mass murderers?

        I’d be doing myself and the country a favor by quietly checking out. At least I have enough of a moral code that I’d want to do so in a way that doesn’t run the risk of causing harm to anyone else.

        • Good_Gawd_Yall

          Now, you stop that talk right now. Right now. We value you as a person and a Wonketteer and you may NOT leave us. I know it’s hard as shit these days. I myself have major depressive disorder with moderate anxiety and have skated very close to the edge you don’t come back from, and this week has been a fucking pisser and it’s only Tuesday. But to call yourself a “noncontributing zero” is to willfully ignore how much you contribute to our discussions, and that’s not nothing, and we love you, and you will be getting a time-out if you keep that talk up, Mister (or Miss)!

          • Lance Thrustwell

            Seconded. I enjoy your comments. And you may have a mental illness, but just because people use the term “mental illness” as a catch-all term that includes “homicidal mania” doesn’t mean you have to internalize their sloppy conflations. I doubt that anyone who met you would think to themselves “oh – there’s a Stephen Paddock type.” And I bet you know that too.

            (Edit: I enjoy your (non-)comments too, GGY, but I meant that for TFS).

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Mental illness, physical illness. I have chronic sinus problems and there does not seem to be much stigma about that, and at times it can be severely debilitating

          • Lance Thrustwell

            Unclean! {runs away}.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Lugiephopic. Sad.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            I find being able to snark in these non-comments and the accepting attitude of most of the folks here to be a major positive force in my efforts to stay sane.

            As long as I have a suitable outlet for my insanity, I think I’ll be okay. Maybe even a benefit to others.

          • Three Finger Salute

            It’s Miss, but when I say “noncontributing zero” I mean “what’s in your wallet.” I don’t have a job. I’ll probably never have a job. The ability to get and keep a job is even a requirement for admission as an immigrant to other countries, that’s how important it is to a claim of being a contributing member of society. We talk a lot and chuckle about how cute and friendly Canada is, but even they have to run a tight ship in terms of who they let in, and they actually do have restrictions on people who are going to be a “public charge” because they don’t have the ability to work. You can visit, but you can’t stay. I’m not getting paid by the word for these non-comments. If I wasn’t borked in the head, I’d have a job. A real job. But I am; I never will, and that’s why I want the “right to choose.”

          • Lance Thrustwell

            In the abstract, I do believe in everyone’s right to choose life or death. I really do. In this concrete instance, all I can say is that I’ve enjoyed your comments for quite a while now. For someone who’s ‘borked in the head’ (that’s a pretty funny expression, btw), you write pretty darn well! That’s something, at any rate.

          • PeedeResistance

            You are right about the essential right to kill oneself; as usual, Emily Dickinson nailed it to the wall in eight short lines:

            The Right–to Perish–might be Thought
            An Undisputed Right —
            Attempt it, and the Universe
            Upon the Opposite
            Will concentrate its Officers —
            You cannot even Die
            But Nature and Mankind must pause
            To pay you Scrutiny.

            However. That said–and I agree completely about the morphine bag, and Final Exit is where I can find it in ten seconds– your comments here brighten and interest many of us, some of whom have told you so in responses. I am virtually certain lots of posters here feel this way. We would miss you, and I know I don’t think you’re a zero of any sort, noncontributing or otherwise.

          • Bad Tom

            Money, shmoney. You bring LIGHT to people here. This can’t be the only place, because it’s YOU who bring the LIGHT.

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          I hear you. However, I would dispute your assertions that you are “a leper”, and you will become a “noncontributing zero”. I enjoy many of your contributions to these here non-comment threads.

          • Three Finger Salute

            They don’t put meat on the table though. That’s what I meant by non-contributing zero. Originally it was a term Louis C.K. used in a standup routine to refer to assholes who sit behind their computers and hurl troll shit at him, his family and other complete strangers who’ve done absolutely nothing wrong except look funny or be of the “wrong” demographic identity. He called them noncontributing zeroes because usually they hurl their invective at people like Obama, Hillary, etc. while they’re sitting at home eating Cheetos and complaining on Twitter about Hillary letting women take men’s jobs or whatever.

            In a more general sense, however, for the longest time that term or something similar to it has referred to people who are outside the realm of employment and likely will be for an indefinite period of time, whether due to professional obsolescence or some sort of biologically-deficient lack of ability. Society makes a distinction between “honorable” and “dishonorable” disabilities; for example, being injured in war and therefore being unable to do physical labor (in an era where that’s all there was) is looked at as a battle scar. Someone like me, whose autobiography might as well be the DSM makes it impossible for me to join the professional workforce (which is all there is now), not because I can’t do the tasks relevant to the job but because I’m phobic of my coworkers and the interview process, is looked upon disfavorably as a layabout, a chicken and a “noncontributing zero.”

            It’s really too bad that there isn’t a liberal equivalent of the Russian troll factory that pays people to write comments on Internet sites. As I said, I’m not getting paid by the word here. Bloggers have an uphill battle too. Everyone who says “don’t quit your day job” when someone wants to do creative pursuits doesn’t take into account the ones who don’t have a day job because this sort of thing is all they know how to do. Anybody got Soros’ email address? I could use some of those Ameros just so I don’t have to get branded as a feeble-minded lumpenprole the rest of my life…

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Likewise.

        • Bad Tom

          Here is a secret I learned when I was on the point of suicide about two years ago:

          You can’t always tell what value other people find in you, even if you can’t find any in yourself.
          ——-
          I heard my husband singing, preparing dinner. And I didn’t do it.

      • I am not a gun owner and that’s exactly what I’m afraid of, if I owned one I’d always have the thing on my mind in some way….I get depression and anxiety too, while my wife has bi-polar 2, GAD and PTSD.

      • Good_Gawd_Yall

        Good. Keep it that way. My depressed lover took his own life with his shotgun. You can bet that if I’d known he had a fucking shotgun things would have happened differently. But I didn’t.

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          My family lived in a house of guns. My father killed himself with a mini-14 in 1987. I may very well let my friend keep the damned thing. I noticed that I don’t feel any less safe now that I don’t have it (not taking into account how I’m feeling depressionwise at the moment.)

          • Parakeetist

            I’m so sorry.

      • Invidosa

        I could get one, we have two in the house. I also have bipolar., PTSD and a slew of other shit to. my friends and my boyfriend (the gun owner) have decided it’s not safe for me to.have access yo a weapon because I’ve been on the verge of suicide. So every night my guy locks his gun in a safe I don’t have access to

        But I know I could want.into a store any day and buy a gun. . . Which terrifies me

  • Canadian_Bacon

    Is is just me? Did I read that Washington Post chart incorrectly?

    Canada isn’t on the chart?

    Yay Canada!!

    • Three Finger Salute

      Yup. I posted below about why Polytéchnique was an extreme outlier case that the country was determined to ensure never happened again. Disqus seems to have eaten my homework. Canada’s not perfect; no country is, but they’re BIGLY YUGELY better than we are. Please to keep it that way, give our Trueheart another atomic majority and send local milk boy packing in 2019, eh?

      • Longstreet63

        Yeah, I’ve come more and more to the conclusion that that whole Revolutionary War business was a mistake.

  • jesterpunk

    Surprised they didnt bring up countries like Afghanistan with an actual war going on that is more deadly then the US right now yet. That is one of the rights favorite deflections.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      I would actually bet rather big money that there were not 59 American deaths in Afghanistan Sunday. I think we’d have heard.

      • Persistent Tennessee Rain

        and 500+ wounded

  • beingreleased

    “This is the price of freedom. Violent nuts are allowed to roam free until they do damage, no matter how threatening they are.”

    Something I’ve been wondering: Was a single law broken before he pulled the trigger?

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      “The price of freedom” → “Daily Blood Sacrifices to the God of Freedumb”

    • No laws were broken, until they were.

      This specific “law-abiding citizen” didn’t break any laws that we know of, until he did, and the penis guns were the conduit to making that happen.

      I am currently of the belief that all “responsible” penis gun owners can become irresponsible (or even worse) at any time.

      This country needs to establish uniform national penis gun laws.

      • IOW, all gun owners should be treated like Criminals unless they are in the National Guard.

        Just like the DMV assumes I am seeking fake ID, until I produce those two utility bills.

        • Three Finger Salute

          And Republicans assume you’re a fraudulent voter if you don’t have ID*

          *that proves you’re a white guy and not melanin-rich

      • Meccalopolis

        Illegally modified an assault weapon to full auto?

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      When I listened to the audio of the shooting and heard the rapid, seemingly unending fire of the bullets, the only thing I could think of is, “no one in this country needs this type of weapon for protection. No one.” I’m having a really hard time wrapping my brain around the fact that all sane Americans don’t think the same thing.

      • beingreleased

        W became governor of TX because he supported a concealed carry law. When it was being discussed, someone wrote into the Houston Chronicle, that he was at a concert (Page/Plant, I was there too) and had his t-shirt stolen from him in the parking lot. He wished he had been allowed conceal carry so he could have done something about it. “Bystanders will learn to get out of the way.” So not only did he want to kill someone over a t-shirt, he was okay with killing people who weren’t even involved over a t-shirt.

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          “Bystanders will learn to get out of the way.”
          I can’t even even about that.

  • A couple of good points I picked up on…first, I love when the Wonkette writers refer to guns as “penis guns,” that’s just fantastic and is exactly how I’m going to refer to any gun that isn’t used as a hunting rifle. “Oh, your penis gun is a Sig Sauer? That’s nice.” “I was going to stop at the penis gun store to get my own penis gun, but then I realized my actual penis was FINE and I don’t need to compensate for anything.”

    Second, the right-wing talking point of “what about Chicago” can easily be steered in the right direction by using the counterpoint “Chicago’s gun violence is an example of why we need national standards of gun laws, not an example of why gun laws don’t work.” You may not get thru to anyone on the right, but at least you can have fun watching the mental gymnastics.

    Finally, the notion that a lot of pundits on the tee-vee are bringing up is that of “enhanced security at events such as music concerts” and stuff like that, versus maybe having the discussion about penis guns and the relaxing of regulations on said penis guns. So the point I learned that we can make is to ask the question “so why are we protecting the rights of penis gun lovers over the rights of everyone to enjoy themselves out in public without being fixated on who might be the bad guy with a penis gun everywhere they go?”

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Ans: Protecting profits for the gun manufacturers.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Just how would increasing security at outdoor events have prevented what happened? The hotel from which the coward fired was not part of the venue. Are they seriously suggesting that, instead of common-sense regulations, we instead have Secret Service-style sweeps of every venue for every event? Should zoos have to hire security forces to sanitize their neighborhoods? Do the Shakespeare in the Park people have to physically search every room with a window that overlooks the stage and the seating area?
      I just wish once in awhile we could have a discussion that didn’t immediately veer off into insanityville, courtesy of the repukes who can’t ever talk about anything except where trans people should pee.

      • Crystalclear12

        That’s not fair.
        Repukes also fixate on women’s reproductive rights.
        They are multitasking assholes.

      • Bebecca

        you mean like having to take your shoes off at airport security because one dumba$$ decided to put a bomb in his shoe?

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      Not to marginalize Chicago’s gun problem in any way, shape or form, but their issues is with handguns and gang violence. The focus needs to be on why Americans feel the need to have a military arsenal close at hand. There is something inherently wrong with those people. So when people bring up Chicago, they’re talking about a completely different problem with a completely different solution.

    • Impatient

      I can now say with authority that, as you become an oldz, some older memories just really stay with you.

      My philosophy professor, on the topic of freedom, said it’s two questions, “Freedom from what? Freedom to do what?” I expect it wasn’t his original thought, but it sure seemed pertinent and clear to me.

      While they are free to own and carry any fun-gun ever invented, can I and my children please free from death? Just askin.

    • Meccalopolis

      Penis gun!

  • Notreelyhelping

    Given that a well-heeled lobbying group is dictating national policy, I guess, after yesterday, we have no choice but to ban retirees. Sorry.

    • Longstreet63

      Yes, but they can also have all the guns they want, as long as they’re white.

  • Thiazin Red

    We do regulate all of those things, and punish people who don’t abide by the regulations or are negligent.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      For the sake of your blood pressure, try to remember that if it’s coming from the right, the argument is, by default, stupid, insulting, wrong, or AOT,K.

  • SpudRaider

    I guess in the NRA’s perfect world when you go to a concert and they search your bag if you don’t have a gun you can’t get in.

  • laineypc

    Dear Pat, this country seems to have taken a couple right turns too many, plus the off-ramp to crazy-land with the orange malignancy. So pardon if some of us think we’re on the road to something like Nazi Germany and feel it our duty to resist authoritarianism.

  • Panika MCD

    there’s plenty of common ground between liberals and conservatives (many of both who even own guns), the problem is than many congresscritters can’t see that common ground past all those sweet NRA campaign donations. maybe if we said the NRA could no longer make campaign donations (or commercials) the fucking congresscritters could find it. but they will simply say that the second amendment was put their to protect our first amendment because they also have shit in their mouths (and eyes and ears). their like the three Shit Monkeys.

    • DesertedPictures

      Is there really? If people wanted more anti gun candidates they could vote for them. They don’t. Or they don’t care enough. Each democratic primary has a pro gun control candidate. Each election has a democrat on the ballet. People get the representatives they deserve.

      • Panika MCD

        that assumes that donations from the NRA are used to say “HEY! I’M PRO-GUNZ!!!” which, if you’ve ever worked on a campaign, is not how campaign funding is spent. it’s spent on what you think will win and you smile and nod when a donor says they want you to use their donation on yard signs. not every election has a Democrat on the BALLOT–don’t know about ballets in elections, I’ve only been working them for a decade. for that matter, Republicans don’t field candidates in every election either. but most elections coincide with other elections where you get a ballot with various races–some with no Democrats, some with no Republicans.

        the NRA also tends to back incumbents which is why Bloomberg started his own PAC to see if a candidate received matched or greater funding when the were pro-gun sense (not anti-gun, smarty), if that candidate could beat an incumbent and they’ve had some good results.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    OT, but made me laugh. They should do Trump next:

    https://twitter.com/skolanach/status/915270184251691008

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Farting, hawking lugies, and catfights work also too.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        The first two are how I react when I listen to the sons of bitches…

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          I get all three here. Stentorian beer burps is another one.

  • aureolaborealis
    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      A fucking handgun is not going to be effective against a sniper 32-floors up and 700 yards away.

      • aureolaborealis

        Not even against someone closer, what with the chaos and the jumpy, heavily armed police.

      • BlissfulScribbler

        Which leads them to the obvious conclusion that we have to stop preventing people from bringing fully-automatic and long-range weaponry everywhere they go, including country music festivals.

  • Violence in the streets, Pacifism in the sheets.
    https://giphy.com/gifs/fqYvaWqzUe2w8

  • azeyote

    i guess a new ivanka fashion line of armor, and helmets is what we need for concert goers, cause open carry and crazy are hear to stay –

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      Which might help a little bit until restrictions on anti-tank weapons are lifted next year.

  • Hemp Dogbane

    “…disrespect for grifting lunatic tv preachers”

  • Oneofthebobs

    I like to conceal a car and a pool on my person for self-defense. It’s legal in all 50 states.

  • Elvis Causticfellow
    • SDGeoff3

      I can’t get enough of this. Bravo, Mr Frum.

  • SadDemInTex

    This became a hopeless situation 5 years ago when 21 tiny children were butchered into bloody pieces by gunfire. America sold its soul to the armament manufacturers, the Merchants of Death, for money. Our Congress got rid of every impediment to the sale of arms/bullets/guns even to countries that have sworn to destroy the USA. It is just one small part of the puzzle that we will soon have no gun laws at all.

    • Three Finger Salute

      “So this is Christmas, and what have we done? Another year over, another bad guy with a gun.”

      (Apologies to John and Yoko. Fuck, if he’d stayed in Montreal he wouldn’t have met his fate at the hands of another NRA saint either.)

  • Jgb979

    So weird how the only amendment that can not be regulated or restricted in any way literally has the words “well-regulated” as its second and third words.

    If there’s a hell Pat Robertsons face will be the first thing you see.

    Is one of the side effects of being evil immortality?

    • Joe Beese

      Kissinger, Cheney…. what more proof do you need?

      • Jgb979

        I’m not sure Cheney technically qualifies as “alive” right now, as he’s 90% robot heart and virgin rheesus monkey blood.

        When one of these aholes kicks the bucket it will be the greatest celebrity triumvirate of deaths ever

        • SDGeoff3

          I will volunteer my services as organist. For my prelude, I can offer the Hallelujah Chorus.

        • Daniel

          Cheney has never been “alive” as anyone would understand it. He was anthropomorphised at some point in the wake of one of the many nuclear tests the US carried out in the fifties.

          He is the embodiment of entropy. The heat death of the universe in a suit, and with a fixed sneer. He will never die. He will merely continue in one form or another until all the stars are extinguished.

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        Charles Koch, @93 comes to mind.

    • Bill D. Burger

      In ‘Dr. Faustus’ the title character looks at Beelzebub and ask: ‘Why are you not in hell?”
      The fallen creature answers: “Where I go, hell is there.”

      This applies to Pat Robertson and all his ilk as well.

      • Meccalopolis

        Wr create our own hell right here on earth

    • HarpyLibtart

      Yep – much like Cheney and Murdoch, Satan doesn’t want to deal with these vitrolic old assholes for all eternity any more than we do, so he lets them run the clock waaaayyyyyyyy into overtime.

  • Joe Beese

    In Puerto Rico, President Trump expressed pride that Hurricane Maria killed only 16, as compared to “a real catastrophe like Katrina”.

    • laineypc

      If you keep on the same course, Mr. Ugly Orange Man, of doing as little as possible, you might get those numbers higher. Always go for the biggest, most tremendous numbers, asshole.

      • cmd resistor

        I read PR hadn’t updated their death count for days and apparently still there are places no one has been.

    • SeeTrain65

      How do you solve a problem like Maria the Trump Crime Family?

  • andyshelt

    Looking at this from the UK the whole gun control debate is just so bizarre coming from a country where guns are strictly controlled and recent terrorist atrocities, while appalling, have been committed using knifes or vehicles as their weapons of choice. The thought of the same incidents occurring if they had easy access to guns is spine-chilling.

    I’ve read so many Op-eds over the last day or so saying now is the time for gun control which I have to view unfortunately with a somewhat cynical approach despite the well meaning intentions of the authors of those pieces.

    The tipping point for changing the debate was surely Sandy Hook at which point the gun nuts made it clear that playing with their beloved penis substitutes was more important to them than murdered kids. Las Vegas was just more of the same but with a higher body count and it is clear that the same old debate and the same asshole points are being made by the same asshole talking heads on the right with a toxic extra ingredient of conspiracy fuckwits like Alex Jones to add to the mix.

    A question from an outsider to the USA.

    What will it take to genuinely change the debate about gun control in the USA if Sandy Hook and Las Vegas are not enough?

    • jesterpunk

      Black people walking around open carrying guns? It worked with Ronny Raygun when he was governor of California. Other then that nothing will change.

      • SDGeoff3

        Couldn’t agree more.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        That’s our only hope.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Maybe trans people open carrying in public rest rooms will do the trick.

    • SDGeoff3

      No one here is likely to live to see it.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      Nothing. The people who stockpile guns want them because they fear their government. They and their backers are okay with sky-high body counts. We lose over 30,000 people a year to guns – suicides, homicides, accidents, and random mass shootings like Sunday’s – and we do nothing. Twenty tiny children are murdered and we do nothing. Three presidents are assassinated and we do nothing. Two other presidents are shot and we do nothing. A Congresswoman is shot and permanently impaired and we do nothing. No venue is safe, from workplaces to schools to parking lots to stores, malls, theaters, and we do nothing.
      This is a horrible country. Period.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Nothing. Can you guys and Canada take over? We fucked up bigly with that whole 1776 thing. We need a mulligan. Corbyn’s a crank like Bernie but Trudeau’s sensible and a nice guy. The royals are cool. AOT,K are far better than Trump.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      1. Getting $$ out of politics–right now most of the GOP reps not only take $millions from the NRA, they’re afraid of them. Afraid of being “primaried” (i.e. the NRA pours money into another GOP candidate’s campaign at the next election). Afraid, I believe, on a primal level, of the big bad gunmen, who could come and shoot them. That’s why they let schoolchildren face them. They are cowards. Including St. Bernie, who was bankrolled by the NRA, but you don’t see too much about that from the purity ponies.
      2. That will never happen.
      3. What MIGHT happen: the various gun-control groups join together, and become a group that is richer and MORE powerful than the NRA, and that group starts donating to campaigns. But the problem is that the people on the left don’t have the amorality to threaten, the way the NRA and GOP donors do. Also, people who stand up to the NRA, even ordinary people posting pro-gun-regulation on Twitter, are swamped with vicious death threats from barbaric, primitive shitheels, doxxed, have people threatening to literally come and shoot them. It takes a lot for someone to do this.
      4. Sweeping the GOP out of office and re-educating the rubes. Hillary with a Democratic-majority Congress would have been tough enough to do this. Probably one of the reasons she was cheated out of her rightful place.
      5. Time Machine where we go back and don’t do the whole Revolution thing, and then we could be like Canada.

      • Meccalopolis

        A pro gun control group is going to have to start recruiting and funding in GOP primaries

    • eastcoastlib

      Guns outnumber people here. Every mass shooting brings a spike in gun sales. At this rate, we will hit the half a billion guns in private hands mark sometime before the end of the decade. Maybe if we had a billion guns or three billion guns floating around we would finally be safe,

    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      A revolution at the ballot box is the only thing that will make a difference. If the votes go against the gun humpers, they will no longer be in control.

  • TootsStansbury

    Shining city on a hill my ass. Bunch of barbaric clods.

  • TundraGrifter

    The gun humpers often come up with a load of horse puckey trying to explain what “well-regulated” means. Here’s the answer: The Militia Acts. Think of it as one would almost every other law passed by Congress. There has to be additional legislation to explain the big picture law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Acts_of_1792

    • jesterpunk

      The Roberts court went out of their way in Heller to say “well regulated” doesnt matter and its just extra words in the majority opinion Scalia wrote.

      • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

        And NIXON’S chief justice scathingly said that their decision was “a fraud, an utter fraud, perpetrated on the American people.”

        • jesterpunk

          Yes it was and now we won’t have a chance to change it for a few decades since the right gets to nominate justices.

      • TundraGrifter

        No doubt about it – the Constitution of the United States is chock full of extra language that was just put in there because the guy who copied it onto the parchment with such nifty handwriting was paid by the word.

        • jesterpunk

          It somehow only applies to the second amendment, every other one means exactly what it says.

          • TundraGrifter

            Many people don’t know that!

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        scalia’s damage may never be undone, If I knew where he was buried I would go piss on his grave.

        • jesterpunk

          Google has the results…

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Must put on bucket list. Thanks.

  • beingreleased

    My wife read somewhere that there was a security guard on the stage with a gun, but he didn’t pull it out because (a) he wouldn’t have known where to shoot, and, probably more importantly, (b) he might easily have been shot by someone who thought he was the shooter.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      not to mention, you don’t have a chance in hell of hitting a target in a hotel room 1700 feet away

      • eastcoastlib

        Logic has a well known liberal bias.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        and even if you were able to hit a target in a hotel room 1700 feet away, you’d have essentially no way of knowing which one.

      • bettycat

        This is where you are wrong. Think of it, if we followed the advice of the NRA everyone at the concert would have been armed. They could have all tuned into Sean Hannity’s broadcast and guided by his super macho vision turned and sprayed the entire hotel, lighting it up properly. Gunman dead. I for one see no downside to this solution.

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      And there were also licensed security guards in the street, but they said they couldn’t shoot because they didn’t know who the shooter was, and also then when the police arrived the police might have mistaken THEM for the shooter. This absurd, heinous lie that everyone should be armed and it would “stop” this is so fucking insane.

      • beingreleased

        People said guns would have helped them in the Aurora, CO, theater shooting. I have trouble believing that having everyone pull out their guns in a dark, loud, smokey theater would have solved the problem.

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Remember- you have the right to an arsenal of semiautomatic weapons to shoot people with, but you don’t have the right to get treated for that gunshot wound- that’s a privilege.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • UncleTravelingMatt

    A few minutes ago, my friend and I were counting up all the people we personally knew who died as a result of a gunshot (in the US; wars don’t count.) I counted 28. He stopped counting at 38. I grant that we would likely be statistical outliers because we know more people involved in high-risk criminal activity than the average person does, but 6 of the deaths on my list were suicides and 9 predated my current career. In any event, that is an awful lot of death.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Bill D. Burger

    To bot or not to bot? That is the question:
    Kremlin & NRA bot-pushing fake narratives: Typical yesterday.
    (*Yeah. They’re often stupid and idiotic, but remember their target audience.)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLMkE0MUEAAVIOu.jpg

  • Bill D. Burger
    • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

      Trump was happy to talk about Muslims without hours of Orlando.

    • Ellie

      It will be time immediately after we reach the “right time” for black athletes to protest.

  • Donkey Option

    I remember when there was the shooting in DC and all the RWNJ and associated media personalities were all “but DC has some of the strictest gun laws in the country! This is totally proof that those gun laws don’t work!” And the complete morans that they are conveniently ignored the fact that guns are, in fact and intentionally, quite portable. And he probably didn’t buy his damn guns in DC, but somewhere that had much less strict gun laws. Which is why there is almost no point (not ever no point because every little bit helps) to having city or state-specific gun laws if some jackass can just drive a couple hours and buy whatever the fuck he wants to kill as many people as he wants without any kind of restriction. You assholes want to talk about Chicago’s gun problem? Maybe you should take it up with Indiana, Wisconsin, and the rest of Illinois!

    • Lance Thrustwell

      Yup. And even if a total ban of all guns occurred, it might be years before we saw a significant decrease in mass shootings, because it will take so long to get rid of all the damn guns. But those idiots seem to think that unless something works like magic right away, it can’t be worth doing.

  • Bill D. Burger

    NRA: Killing Our Children Since 1871

    • Three Finger Salute

      America: Killing other people’s children (who weren’t even considered human) since 1776.

  • Swampay

    Huh. That’s weird. I googled “National Freedom Index” and one of the first to pop up was this from libertarian Koch brothers sponsored Cato Institute. https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index. It ranks the US a healthy 8.27 on its freedom scale. A solid 23d out of 160 ranked countries, behind Poland but ahead of Latvia. So if gun violence is the cost of freedom, you’d expect those other 22 countries that are more free than us to have gun violence out the ass, wouldn’t you? Wonder why that isn’t true?

    • DesertedPictures

      Latvia: EU country without the death penalty, with a universal health care system and gun controll…

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      Only tenth? What the hell is this?

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Bill D. Burger
    • atlantaloves

      Yeah, he looks drunk as hell.

  • Bill D. Burger
    • atlantaloves

      Exactly.

  • DesertedPictures

    Several people have told me today that gun control doesn’t work: they point to the EU, where I now live, and say: look at the trucks driving into people. This is incredibly annoying:
    You know what has happened in Europe since the start of vehicular violence?
    – Cities put up cement barriers (often disguised as flower holders: looks nice) to prevent trucks from entering highly visited areas.
    -Rental companies are advised to be vigilant when renting out a truck
    -Truck-drivers already need special licences (that prevented at least one terrorist from using a bigger ; more deadly truck

    Maybe that will not be enough. Maybe we need more measures. We don’t know: it’s a new problem. But at least they are dealing with it.

    Gun violence has been a US problem for twenty years now: and we haven’t even started adressing it. Just try something. Gun regulations aren’t set in stone if they don’t work you can change them again. At least try something!

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      This.

    • ltmcdies

      Oh I’m sorry. That sane sensible well thought out reasoning and you can’t be bringing that to the gun debate

    • BlissfulScribbler

      Forget about ‘starting to address’ it. The GOP is actively covering up gun violence, i.e. not even allowing discussion of studies.

      Our country’s hostage to the NRA’s terror campaign.

  • Bill D. Burger
  • Parakeetist

    I’ve been wanting to cry all day.

    I need to go home.

    • motocat

      I am home, but I feel the same way.

  • James Baskin

    “I can tell you that government restrictions will not stop psychopaths from harming people.”
    Oh fucking really OReilly? Maybe so. But they wouldn’t be able to harm nearly so many without automatic high capacity weapons. NOT NEARLY. You fucking ass-wipe.

    • DesertedPictures

      How does he know this.it hasn’t been tried in the USA…

  • An Outhouse for the résistance
  • James Baskin

    “The Second Amendment is clear that Americans have a right to arm themselves for protection.”
    Even if the second amendment was actually about fucking individual citizens, which it isn’t, the US government has always had the right to limit the type of arms that citizens can own. So banning high-capacity automatic weapons is not even a violation of the right’s MISINTERPRETATION of the Second Fucking Amendment’s meaning asshole.

  • guppy06

    Right after we ban pools, cars, cigarettes, alcohol

    Pools have to be kept childproof; cars require licensing, insurance, et al; cigarettes can’t be sold to minors; and alcohol often can only be sold through state-controlled stores.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Also CVS stopped selling cigarettes, period. Fox was all out in full force basically saying that they should be forced to. I’ve never seen any of those LCBO equivalents for alcohol sales on this side of the border; I know that’s already a thing in Canada, and is going to be the same framework for weed sales. Seems to me that Americans only want to promote and require the harmful stuff and prohibit things that could actually help.

      • Carpe Vagenda

        Pot use is a quick and easy way to sideline african american young men from becoming a productive, voting part of the larger society. It’s something most kids their age do, but pretty much only they go to jail and lose their futures over.

        • Augustus

          Yeah, it works! So many lives needlessly wasted…in the name of vile hatred and evil

          Oh sorry, in the name of “public safety”

          Gotta protect us from all those “thugs!”

          • Carpe Vagenda

            and yet somehow there are a lot of white kids walking the streets with heroin habits.

        • Cliff Hendroval

          Yeah, Van Jones once talked about growing up in one of the most drug-infested areas of the country – Yale University.

    • Carpe Vagenda

      You know the difference between cars / pools and alcohol / tobacco / firearms? FDR did. That’s why he bought support for his programs from the southern states by having the three products which kill you if you use them correctly exempted from user safety regulations.

    • gingerland62

      We take classes, register yearly, insure and get tested to drive a car. Can that example go away or become gun law please?

    • covfefesumgame0005

      or tax them like they do tobacco, they are about $8 a pack here in CA now, a few hundred buck a bullet (include gunpowder and empty shells in the tax too!) and let’s see how much of the rednecks welfare checks they will devote to it!

      • Wow $8 per pack! I’m a ex-smoker – partly due to health concerns but it’s the taxes that made me quit. A pack (30 cigarettes) in Australia costs – in US dollars – $24.00. Smoking rates have plummeted.

  • OrdinaryJoe

    This photo should be sufficient ground to deny Dana Loadoshit access to any weapon of any kind, including a butter knife. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2e6672a5fa8087c3b8ef60d87a94fadbc2f957017ac3a64bf0664920388d3d71.jpg

    • Augustus

      She’s fucking crazy

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    I’m sure Charles Krauthammer is in favor of banning pools…

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    Hey, when freedom’s just another word for hostage, something isn’t right. The republican’ts are all cowards and bullies.

  • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

    The NRA and its supporters want easy access to weapons, while the left wants them banned.

    I’ve always found this to be the most insidious of lies. True, there are a few on the fringe-y left that would be happy if all guns were banned. But the vast majority of even us liberals believe in a middle ground: SENSIBLE control of guns. You want to hunt, fine, here’s a hunting gun. You feel the need for personal protection? Fine, here’s a handgun. But first: Prove to me you’re not insane. Prove you know how to safely handle the weapon. Prove to me that you won’t leave the gun laying around the house for your 3-year-old to play with. Prove to me that you don’t have a violent crime in your pass. Prove to me that you will, every time, store the weapon with a trigger lock. Plus, grenade launchers are not for public use. Tanks aren’t either, nor are assault rifles, high-capacity magazines (or whatever the fuck you want to call them), and many more weapons. And you have to do all these proofs whether you get the gun in Wallyworld, your local sporting goods shop, a gun show, or a private sale.

    Finally, there’s one piece of legislation that I’d LOVE to see adopted: every gun — handgun, rifle, shotgun, bqatwver, must be painted pink and covered in Hello Kitty stickers.

    Saying that “the left wants to see all guns banned” is as much a lie as saying that the right and the NRA want to see everyone ISSUED a gun on their first birthday.

    • LeighBowery’sLuxuryComedy

      Thank you. I personally would not mind a world where no guns at all ever existed; but even my filthy hippie tree-hugging dirt-worshipping drug-addled mind realizes sh-yeah, like *that*’s gonna happen. And then proceeds to, ok, I know you all need your shooty-sticks for – STUFF – and I can agree to that (so long as you let me have my summer drum circle vacay with the weirdos in the woods) but can you PLIZ fer the luvva Mike, Pete, and whoever else may be in the house just be ever so *slightly* sensible about it?!

      PS full disclosure I’ve experienced gun violence pretty up close & personal, so I might be just a wee tad bit biased..

    • whitroth

      My plan:

      a) you have to have a training cert on firearm safety.

      b) you *must* present that cert to buy a gun.
      c) You have to update it annually
      d) you *must* have casualty insurance on the gun – that is, on EACH AND EVERY FIREARM, just as you need insurance on each and every vehicle you own.
      e) you must register each firearm, just like a vehicle.

      Note that d) will cost enough to cut the number of guns someone owns.

      About 18 years ago, I brought this idea up to a friend who describes himself as “a conservative in the Goldwater mold, from west-by-God-Texas, and he had no problems at all with it.

      • willi0000000

        the thing i worry about when you increase the cost is starving children . . . how many times have you seen the guy with several expensive bang-sticks and a big new gas-gulper parked next to the trailer with the barefoot, hungry-looking kids in rags?

        • Lisa

          They always find the money for cigarettes and beer and they would find it for their guns as well. Sorry I shouldn’t stereotype but I live near many people like this.

      • ButtercuptheHarelessRabbit

        I would add to your rules that 1) if a firearm in your possession is ever stolen, you lose your right to ever own a firearm again, and 2) if your firearm is ever used to commit a crime, or if it causes an accidental death, you WILL do time.

      • Jukesgrrl

        I’ve always maintained that the best way to handle firearms is to treat them as we treat vehicles, as both are potentially lethal weapons.

      • I’d add a medical/mental health assessment in there somewhere. I’ll wait for the NRA to scream “discrimination” or “privacy concerns” at those provisions. The stuff they don’t give a shit about until it affects their bottom line.

    • Invidosa

      Perfect! For the longest time I was anti gun. Then I fell in love with a gun toting liberal (gasp!! A breed more rare than fucking unicorns according to the right) and he changed my mind. He is incredibly responsible with his weapon even though he carries it everywhere. And I realized that if all gun owners were like my guy then I wouldn’t be so frightened of them.

      But the bottom line is any fuckwit can get his or her hands on a gun. . . On many guns. . . On BIG guns. And That is what is terrifying

      I keep coming back to Australia. Coming back to upstanding members of government who passed gun control laws that were unpopular, some lost their seats because if it. . . But guess what? It fucking WORKED!! if our Congress wasn’t so cowardly, so deeply imbued with self interest instead of the actual best interests of the country and her people, perhaps, just perhaps, we could do it too.

      • Cliff Hendroval

        I went through a “ban ’em all” phase myself. You know who changed my mind? Liberals on an internet forum. Liberals who were responsible gun users.

        • Swampgas_Man

          My father’s a target shooter. Leaves his damned gun, locked up, at the gun club every time.

          • OppressedMass

            I keep wondering if skeet shooting is fun, even though I am an old liberal lady. Are those even real guns?

          • Yes, they are real shotguns. I’ve never done skeet shooting but I’ve enjoyed target shooting. Depending on the calibre – recoil can hurt shoulders. Give it a try.

      • I’m as far left as sanity lets me be. I’m Australian and I own guns. We shoot rabbits (an introduced pest) on our farm. We have a license. We have a gun safe. We have to keep ammunition locked in different safe. We have no history of mental health issues. I was thrilled that the right wing government at that time banned hand guns, semi and automatic guns for everyone who didn’t need one for their job. Professional and sport shooters are still allowed those weapons.

      • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

        ^^^THIS

        Full disclosure: while I don’t personally own a gun, I have been known to enjoy an afternoon or twenty on a shooting clays course. For me, it’s the perfect way to enjoy pew-pewing….no killing of Bambi, just a few dead chunks of clay. And I’ll still be ready for the zombie apocalypse.

    • Bad Tom

      ALSO: No one, but no one needs to own a gun that can be converted in any way to a machine gun.

  • whitroth

    I can’t tell you what I want to do to these people, but it involves the 2nd Amendment, though I can’t decide if it includes lead, or rolled up parchment….

  • CATMAN

    The Washington Post has an opinion piece that contradicts Shitforbrains O’Reilly that gun control doesn’t prevent mass murder by explaining how the Aussies did it
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/10/03/how-australia-beat-the-gun-lobby-and-passed-gun-control/?utm_term=.45c37d4ff504

    • And people here in Oz really love their guns. Most governments don’t do a very good job at just governing so the imagined threat of government organised “tyranny” doesn’t make much sense. Even less now thanks to technology.

      I caught a US gun nut on a thread telling everyone that rape is a daily threat and occurrence in Australia because people can’t buy semi and automatic weapons. They really are getting desperate.

  • Joy

    I want to slap Dana Loesch in her stupid face.

    • The Militant Homosexual Agenda

      Get in the fucking line!

      • atlantaloves

        ditto.

    • i have no idea who she is.

  • What is your death count?” he asked as he turned to Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló. “17?”

    “16,” Rosselló answered.

    “16 people certified,” Trump said. “Sixteen people versus in the thousands. You can be very proud of all of your people and all of our people working together. Sixteen versus literally thousands of people. You can be very proud. Everybody watching can really be very proud of what’s taken place in Puerto Rico.”

    Certified Death Count Proud, y’all!
    https://media0.giphy.com/media/bAkcmuDejorK0/giphy.gif

    • Beanz&Berryz

      That’s great news!

      • I prefer Free Range Death Counts

        • Beanz&Berryz

          Deaths that are coming for lack of drinking water aren’t deaths yet, so there all you fake newsers!

      • H0mer0

        you forgot “for John McCain.”

    • Lefty Wright

      Way off. The Miami Herald had an article from last Thursday and updated yesterday. Though it has no official count, the deaths will end up being in the hundreds.

      http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article176670706.html

      • ahughes798

        But it’s still not thousands!

  • SDGeoff3

    Great headline.

  • willi0000000

    first posted back in 2016.

    Amendment II.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    so small it fits on a bumper sticker.

    why do so many ignore the first clause?

    how many, in order to maintain their right to bear arms, would be assembling Saturday at 6am on the town commons for drill practice?

    and who gets to do the regulation? to the best of my knowledge the only ones even remotely qualified under laws that exist are a state, or the federal, government.

    i am not anti-gun (though many might disagree) just somebody who thinks weapons that have few uses other than killing things, unlike cars, hammers and knives, should be as subject to licensing and registration requirements at least as strict as for automobiles.

    [ getting pretty sure i’m gonna die before anything gets done ]

    • Mike Steele

      This has always been the one, true logical response to their 2nd Am. bleats. We have a ‘well-regulated militia’, these days known as the Natl. Guard. Any strict constructionist can plainly see that the only folks who should have the right to bear arms are the poor schlubs who’ve already served monthly duty, two-weeks annual ‘boot camp’ …and repeated combat deployments.

      • willi0000000

        as long as we agree that others not with “the earned right” have a right to own too . . . subject to background checks, registration, licensing, insurance, etc.

        . . . and those with “the earned right” are subject to revocation of that right if there are good reasons like mental health issues, a history of domestic violence, a history of armed robbery, etc.

        [ you know, kinda like a car . . . the ownership of which should probably be subject to background checks ]

    • Carole

      I agree, but I wish there wasn’t a comma after Militia. Those damned founding fathers fucked us over with that stupid little comma.

    • E.A. Blair

      Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution defines the rights and responsibilities of Congress as follows:

      “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”

      The succeeding paragraphs of Section 8 enumerate these rights and responsibilities, including these passages:

      “To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

      To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;”

      Reading entirely within the context of the Constitution, this is the same “militia” cited in the Second Amendment. This clearly states that only Congress can raise and regulate a militia, which is under the authority of the president as Commander-In-Chief. I am far from being a constitutional scholar, but my understanding of these passages means that all these so-called citizen militias are unconstitutional and should be subject to regulation by the legislature and the authority of the president*.

      *I originally wrote this comment three years ago, when the US didn’t have a fake president.

      • willi0000000

        i’m’a steal that.

        [ don’t worry, i try to cite sources ]

  • Rebel Scum with permit

    “Having crazy terrorists fly planes into buildings is just the price we have to pay for our freedom to fly” Chew on that one.
    At some point the majority of Americans will decide that the price of allowing people to own and carry these weapons is just too damn high, and they’ll pressure the politicians to do something, regardless of what the NRA wants. I don’t even want to think about what that event might be.

    • willi0000000

      probably somebody opening fire with a belt-fed weapon from the gallery of the House or Senate.

      [ i take that back . . . it has to be both or the one left intact will block any law ]

    • In 2001, *one* guy went on an airplane with explosives in his shoes. Sixteen years later, and we still have to take our shoes off to get on a plane.

      • Bad Tom

        He couldn’t detonate them. His fellow passengers noticed this very odd person trying to light his shoes with matches, and fucking stopped him.

        He’s in prison now.

        • True, and long may he stay there.

          But it was just ONE incident, one single occasion where someone attempted a mass killing. And we immediately put in rules and regulations that still inconvenience everyone.

          According to the FBI’s definition of a mass shooting (four or more people shot – whether killed or wounded – in one event), we’ve had one almost every day this year. And yet there’s been no serious attempt at all to pass new rules or regulations that might prevent another one. Heaven forbid lawful gun owners should have to get a background check on every purchase! God help us if the BATF were actually able to use computers to track gun sales! And if the CDC were actually allowed (and given the necessary funds) to study gun violence, that could mean the end of civilization as we know it!

          • Bad Tom

            Completely agree.

      • The Flaming Carrot

        Even babbies have to take off their shoes to get on a plane. Those evil, Communist, terrorist babbies. From Chicago.

  • SeeTrain65

    “Right after we ban pools, cars, cigarettes, alcohol, hands feet & fists. Lives lost due to these constitute an epidemic.”

    The next time you go to an outdoor concert, kill 59 and wound over 500 with your fists in a matter of mere seconds, I’ll be right behind you.

    On second thought, I WILL NOT BE BEHIND YOU, because what you said was as ignorant as anything coming from the Tangerine-colored imbecile currently squatting in the White House. Fuck right off with that bullshit, you shriveled dick of a human being.

  • Marc Berrenson

    I guess Bill used a smaller caliber firearm to force those women to have sex with him. As far as I’m concerned, unless it’s an AK47 or higher, then it’s not rape!

    I thought Pat Robertson died?

    • ContextIsKey

      He did die. What you see on TV is his corpse, animatronically brought to life by the same hackers who are developing the AI-enhanced sex dolls. Capitalism can make people do anything.

      • atlantaloves

        Good one, thank you.

    • ltmcdies

      He just looks like he’s been pickled in brine then trotted out to utter stupid apopcolyptic statements from time to time

    • He’s mostly formaldehyde and Brylcreem.

      • Donna Mueller

        …and toothpicks and play-doh!!!!!!!

  • whitroth

    Hey, Wonketteers… just how *old* was the shooter? Here’s some background….
    Excerpt:
    Father of Las Vegas shooter lived in Chicago, had lengthy criminal history

    Benjamin Paddock Jr. rang up quite a reputation in his life, some of it even real: Survivor of a World War II sinking, professional wrestler, car thief, confidence man, bank robber and one of the FBI’s Most Wanted.

    But the former Chicagoan had been dead almost 20 years by the time he gained his most disturbing distinction: The father of a mass murderer who killed 59 people and wounded more than 500 others during a country music festival in Las Vegas early Monday.

    Nevada authorities have said they believe Steven Paddock, 66, was the lone gunman in the deadliest mass shooting in recent U.S. history.

    His father was a career criminal who spent some of his teenage years in Chicago, where he first started getting into trouble with the law, eventually doing two stints in Illinois state prisons, according to historian Travis Gross.

    — end excerpt —

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-las-vegas-shooter-family-from-chicago-20171003-story.html

    • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

      Oooops, Chicago!! The crazy right wingers won’t know which way to turn.

      • whitroth

        Ok, *here’s* a conspiracy hypothesis: through his dad, he got to know the mob. Then he’s coming to Vegas, created by the mob (and if you don’t think they’re still there, heavily, I’ve got a bridge to sell you), and he got deeply into gambling debt, and was threatened, and he hit back the way he knew how: cause their profits/income to fall.

    • The Flaming Carrot

      Oh, that explains it. Living in Chicago during his teenage years caused epigenetic changes in the dad’s DNA, which got into the germline, so he passed it to his son, so 64 years later he shot 500 people, because of that damned Chicago epigenome.

      • to be fair, we are all unreconstructed pimps and molls here.

        • The Flaming Carrot

          I resemble that remark. Although I was raised in East Buttfuck, Indiana (where Jesus lost his left sandal), so I didn’t pass the Badass Chicago Epigenome to the Lil’ Carrot.

        • ahughes798

          Yep! Our crime is so good it alters DNA.

      • Jukesgrrl

        Are we sure that Paddock lived with Dad in Chicago? I live in Tucson, AZ, and this morning our newspaper trumpeted the story that Paddock was raised here by his mother before she later moved to Florida where she still resides. But if the killer spent so much as five minutes in Chicago any time during his life will expect to hear on FoxNews that he was close personal friends with Bill Ayers and Barack Obama.

        • The Flaming Carrot

          He didn’t ever live in Chicago. It’s a really bad epigenetics joke, based on those dubious studies that say what your grandfather ate in 1900 affects your heart health or something.

      • ahughes798

        Now you know why I never reproduced. I lived in Chicago for 25+ years, and my ovaries had soaked up all the criming, and therefore my children would be born criminals, LOL!

        • The Flaming Carrot

          I drank the Chicago water while pregnant. Sadly, the Lil’ Carrot is doomed to a life of violent crime. Even though my ovaries were formed in East B.F., Indiana.

  • Hiam J Beaudry

    “We unreservedly condemn WONKETTE for associating us with such horrible people.”

    – Coprophiles for Respect and Acceptance in Public

    • Rocket Pony Ron

      Extra upvote for the acronym!

    • ahughes798

      That’s the organisation Chuck Berry started.

  • The Librarian

    Best reply to Dana “Loser” Loesch:

    last time I checked pools, cars, cigarettes, booze, hands & feet can’t wipe out 500+ people from 100 yards away. #stupidDOPE

    • The certainly have the “strawiness” strawmen around.

  • Mike Steele

    Sen. Thune (RWNJ-SD) just posited that it’s actually up to the victims to train themselves in how not to get shot in such a situation. He suggests you learn how to ‘get small’. I suggest the kids at Sandy Hook had that covered, but it didn’t seem to help, Fucker.

    • Jukesgrrl

      The idiocy of some members of Congress knows no bounds.

    • The Flaming Carrot

      Tall and fat discrimination.

  • Jukesgrrl

    I just heard the assistant sheriff on TV explain that a small group of LV metro police, providing security for another event at Mandalay Bay, took it upon themselves to evacuate all hotel guests from floors 31, 32, and 33 the minute they realized that someone was firing from the hotel where they were. This was long before the SWAT team arrived to blow the door off the killer’s room, so no hotel guests were in danger from that explosion. The local police decided not engage the shooter because he stopped firing while they were evacuating guests — which seems like a sensible solution since the SWAT team was much better prepared to handle a guy who had better guns than soldiers take to Afghanistan. Also, too, Bryan Fischer, STFU.

    • ahughes798

      I listened to a military veteran who was at the festival, and the young woman who was standing to his right was shot in the head. They were taking apart gates, using tables, catering carts, anything to move the dead and wounded out of the line of fire. He said his military training kicked right in. The problem was, he said, that after they had moved the injured to a safe area…..there were no EMT’s. No cops. They waited until the firing stopped before they stepped in and started doing their jobs. He said a few people died while they were waiting for help.

      I really don’t expect EMT’s to put their lives on the line, but what’s the deal with cops lately? They know basic life saving techniques. They wait until the shooting is over and everyone is dead until they do anything, like at the Pulse nightclub, where the cops waited outside for hours until the shooting stopped. Aren’t they supposed to try to stop shootings while they’re in progress? How is waiting until the shooting is over “serving and protecting” us?

  • Alternative Dog

    (In the crowd, people thought the gunman was among them. It seems it’s not always easy to tell!)

    Here’s the thing. The rounds fired from many types of rifles (and certainly the types used in this assault) travel at supersonic speed. That means that when the bullet passes by, it creates a sonic boom that sounds very much like a shot. The actual report from the rifle isn’t heard until a fraction of a second or more after the round has passed. I know this because 1) physics and 2) I experienced it in Army basic training in the 1970s when they put us in a trench and fired live rounds over our heads.

    In other words if someone shoots at you and misses the very first thing you are going to hear is an explosion somewhere in your immediate vicinity. Well before you hear the rifle. With rapid fire such as that from an automatic rifle, it may very well sound like people are shooting from directions all around you.

    So, yes, it is not always easy to tell.

    • Joe Monte

      Of course there may have been an echo that made things that much more confusing.

  • Even the “professionals” accidentally shoot innocents everyday. Can you imagine the shit show if 20 or 30 people started shooting back in a crowd of 2000 at night? First thing they would assume all the other people shooting back is “the” shooter.

    But what do I know – I live under the terrible oppression of Australian gun laws that, after our double digit mass shooting, restricted full and semi automatic weapons. The oppression is so bad we haven’t had a mass shooting incident since then and it’s safe enough to go to the city, park, music festival without the fear of not coming home in one piece or ever. The tyranny is just awful.

    • kareemachan

      This reminds me of the movie theater shooting, after which absolute morans said that if people were allowed to bring gunz to the theater, it never would have happened. In the dark. With smoke bombs going off around them. The stupidity astounds….

  • atlantaloves

    Thank you, this actually made be smile that is how sick I am. God, they really have shit for brains. What a bunch of ugly pigs.

  • Joe Monte

    What’s wrong with you Librls? I think everybody in that concert venue should have been carrying an AR-15 so they could return fire at the Mandalay Bay.
    Duh!

    • the_steamer

      Every moment is one that could be better off punctuated with assault weapons modified for more rapid fire. Someone somewhere should be “defending themselves” by firing in the direction of a perceived threat on a constant, staccato rhythm.

      • Joe Monte

        Finally, someone who gets it!

  • Jo Mathie

    God that photo of Dana Loesch. That is the look of someone who made a really ill-advised deal with a crossroads demon.

  • ahughes798

    I just told her that none of those things were made for the sole purpose of killing people. Then I called her an idiot.

  • cleos_mom

    Well, someone had to dust off and turn out the “one good guy with a gun” schtick. The very fact that no one in that crowd was able to take out the shooter 30-plus stories up makes it clear — citizens need to be able to buy rocket launchers and take them everywhere. Especially to church.

  • E.A. Blair
  • Odd Jørgensen

    Just had a gander at the guns pr capita charts, and turns out us nordics really like our guns too, Sweden, Finland and my very own Norway are all in the top 10 list. yet way down on the killed by guns pr capita list (as long as you don`t count Breivik, the fucker really ruined our stats. Not many handguns around though, mainly hunting rifles and shotguns here.

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