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At least Gov. Snyder’s wife had a nice birthday cake.

Water, as we’ve been reminded by the recent hurricane emergencies from Houston to the Caribbean, is a pretty big deal. Your Libertarian sorts actually think it’s an excellent illustration of Libertarian ethics, with the usual Randian screeds about why extreme price gouging is the fairest way to distribute scarce resources (those timely arguments tend to be written by people well away from the disaster zones). This week, another reminder that when clean, healthy water isn’t available to an entire city, very bad things happen. In Flint, Michigan, in April 2014, the water was tainted with lead after a state-appointed emergency manager decided the city could save money by drawing from the Flint River instead of Lake Michigan. To economize further, no anti-corrosive chemicals were added to the water during treatment, which made Flint’s old pipes, many of which had lead solder, leach lead into almost all the city’s drinking water. When people complained about the brown, smelly water issuing from their taps, state officials insisted the water was fine — just a bit of sediment is all. Then the lead levels were shown to be off the charts, and the state finally declared a water emergency in September 2015.

The pipes still haven’t been replaced, although the water is supposed to be safe to drink if run through a good home filter. But now we’ve got more evidence of just how completely Republican officials in Lansing screwed over the (poor, often black) people of Flint: During the period when lead was in the water, the fertility rate in Flint dropped sharply, according to a working paper published last month by health economists Daniel S. Grossman of West Virginia University and David J.G. Slusky of the University of Kansas. How sharply? Women living in Flint had a 12 percent decrease in the “general fertility rate” (GFR) after the change in water compared to nearby areas that didn’t have lead in their water.

In one of the more chilling statements in the paper, Grossman and Slusky offer a straightforward interpretation of the likely cause-effect relationship:

Because the higher lead content of the new water supply was unknown at the time, this decrease in GFR is likely a reflection of an increase in fetal deaths and miscarriages and not a behavior change in sexual behavior related to conception like contraceptive use. Indeed we find that fetal death rates increase by 0.1 deaths in Flint per 1,000 women aged 15-49 compared to control areas, a 58 percent increase.

Nobody knew the water was poisoned for a long time. So that rules out other causative factors. In an American city in the 21st century.

The Washington Post notes Grossman and Slusky found the decline in birth rates was

primarily driven by what the authors call a “culling of the least healthy fetuses” resulting in a “horrifyingly large” increase in fetal deaths and miscarriages. The paper estimates that among the babies conceived from November 2013 through March 2015, “between 198 and 276 more children would have been born had Flint not enacted the switch in water[.]”

And all because the Republican governor, Rick Snyder (who’ll be term-limited out of office next year), wanted to get city spending under control. If there’s ever been a more immediate illustration of “let them die, then, and reduce the surplus population,” we’d prefer not to see it today, thanks.

Here’s a comparison of fertility rates in Flint and the rest of the state; the red line marks the change in water supplies:

If anything, Grossman and Slusky believe their study has probably under-counted the total number of miscarriages caused by Flint’s leaded water, for several reasons:

(1) They do not include abortions; (2) they do not include miscarriages that occur before 20 weeks of gestation; and (3) they are restricted to hospitals reporting these events.”

In 2012, we should note, Gov. Snyder signed what was at the time one of the nation’s strictest anti-abortion laws. We’ll just assume Texas or Oklahoma or Kansas has it beat by now.

The project of rebuilding Flint’s water infrastructure is still ongoing; in March, Mayor Karen Weaver and the head of the city’s project to replace all the underground pipes estimated it would take at least two years before the city’s water would be safe to drink straight from the tap, without filtering.

But that’s how it goes, you know. Flint didn’t have the good sense to be populated by well-off white people, so they should be grateful anyone paid attention to their babies at all. Maybe Fox News will report on Flint and Donald Trump can go out to Michigan to tell the people to obey the laws and not join gangs. That would probably help a whole lot.

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[WaPo / “The Effect of an Increase in Lead in the Water System on Fertility and Birth Outcomes” / Detroit News]

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  • proudgrampa

    Damn. Is anyone going to jail for this crap?

    • Oblios_Cap

      Surely there are sacrificial underlings that can take some time away from their families.

    • OneYieldRegular

      Probably some residents, for the crime of complaining while impoverished.

    • Bill D. Burger

      IOKWYAR

    • Jonny On Maui

      Hahahahahah!!!!!

      Ask any of the folk responsible and they’ll respond, “Hillary!”

    • YoBunnyBunny

      You know the drill: “Mistakes were made, let’s all work on moving forward”.

    • Michael Smith

      People not paying their water bills maybe.

    • Ergoetal

      Jail? For rich white men?
      Don’t tell me – you’re here all week.

    • Skeptical_thinker

      I think they charged some middle manager types. Flint residents, probably.

  • Oblios_Cap

    The GOP is like a carnival ride; instead of the “you must be this tall to ride”, their signs say “you much be this rich” before they give a shit about you.

    • Debbie the Unpaid Protester

      At first I read this as “you much be this rich” before they shoot you. Feels not very far from reality, these days.

  • Ωbjectifier

    So, mission accomplished?

    • Robbertjan Brandenburg

      Extremely dark, Objectifier. And probably true.

  • armed_bears
    • Oblios_Cap

      Same as it ever did.

    • willi0000000

      wait til you see the graph if they kill Obamacare.

      [ efficient though . . . kill one law and get a few million collaterals ]

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    I thank and pray to Joe Pesci every night before I go to sleep we have these insane strict regulations on really EVERYTHING in the EU.

    Reading shit like this makes me so grateful all of us here in Europe can bitch 24/7 about our big government EU project.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Does Joe amuse you?

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        No no, it’s just that he tells it really funny you know?

        • altleftjohn

          Funny, like a clown?

    • UncleTravelingMatt

      Yeah, but how easy is it for you to by a gun? USA! USA!

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Fun fact: It is actually really easy. Join a marksmenclub or a hunters’ club and get your license. Yes you need to have a background check and strict regulations on how to keep them plus an AR15 is not considered a sports or hunting weapon but a 9mm Glock isn’t a problem if you really want to.

        • Oblios_Cap

          Well, it’s not surprising. The Dutch were a major trading power for a long time; surely some greatness is still remaining in the populace. So, obviously, gun ownership would follow.

          Above average, just not Extraordinary, like us Americans.

        • UncleTravelingMatt

          Licenses? Regulations? Responsibility? That’s not freedom, my friend.

          • Robbertjan Brandenburg

            I know but the costs of child burials made us decide to cut down a little on the freedom.

  • Suttree

    Hey Dok. “Randian screeds” link is broke.

  • Ωbjectifier

    OT Walnutz announced he will vote no.

    • OneYieldRegular

      Has Trump yet tweeted that he will use fire and fury, and, if sanctions don’t work, may have to totally destroy John McCain?

      (Also, PS, not OT)

    • laughingnome

      So, repeal is dead? I hope. Now they need to patch it up and make it better. Will they?

      • OrG

        No

      • Ωbjectifier

        Murkowski is still in play I think. Ain’t over yet.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    “When Flint gives you lead, make bullets you ungrateful bastards.”

    -Governor Snyder

    • Ωbjectifier

      Surely you’re not suggesting 2nd ammendment solutions.

      • OutOfOrbit

        why not? they donut understand anything else

    • Suttree

      And sell them to jackasses who might shoot themselves in the foot?

  • Suttree

    May I propose that if any rich white Republican congresscritter’s daughter gets pregnant and needs help, that she moves to Flint for 9 months? Is that against the rules Dok?

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Arrrggggghhhhh! Another candidate for up-against-the-wall (with votes, if I must).

    • willi0000000

      we’re gonna need more wall . . . and more pikes.

  • WotsAllThisThen

    Maybe Fox News will report on Flint and Donald Trump can go out to Michigan to tell the people to obey the laws and not join gangs. That would probably help a whole lot.

    Fox News is too busy reporting on all the liberals rioting in Berkeley. At least that’s why gather from listening to older relatives.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Negligent genocide — can that be a criminal charge, please? And can we drag Rick Snyder in front of the meanest, angriest judge we can find? My fucking heart breaks for the people of Flint and what’s been done to them, and Snyder is directly responsible.

    • WotsAllThisThen

      Negligent genocide sounds like you left the keys to the nuclear arsenal on the kitchen table, and a colicky toddler got hold of them.

      Oh, wait…

      • Nigel R. Toppinglift, III

        “Goddammit, Mary Anne! Donnie got the keys and backed the Córdoba down the driveway and ran over everybody, again!”

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    • House0fTheBlueLights

      “Negligent genocide” is brilliant

    • OutOfOrbit

      somebody should pay with their freedom (for life)

      • Three Finger Salute

        How many human rights violations did Bush, Cheney, etc. get charged with, let alone do time for?

        • OutOfOrbit

          thx obama

  • wide_stance_hubby

    The Right to Life is qualified by a SkinTone chart, so they’re ok with it.

  • Jeff Ackerman

    Cheap f#%king Republicans are slowly screwing all of us into the ground. I say free beer and whiskey for Flint, if they are going to drink themselves to death they should at least have a choice.

    • Suttree

      I like your ideas. May I subscribe to your newsletter?

      • Jeff Ackerman

        One job I had came with an expense account for entertainment, it was dangerous. Nine years ago I developed allergies to hops, grains and yeast among other things. If I had those allergies at 18 I’d be rich, sober and still have my first wife.

        • Suttree

          I’m laughing into my drink good sir. It takes quite a statement to get me to lol.

  • ariel_gee_398

    Hey, maybe we can get some of those “The most dangerous place for a black baby is in the womb” billboards the anti-abortion wingnuts are so fond of putting up in black neighborhoods. Add “because Republicans poisoned the water” to the end of it and I think we have a dandy ad campaign.

    • willi0000000

      nope . . . “you can’t go around showing fetuses and talking about abortions and other sexy things in public”
      – RWNJs everywhere

  • PeedeResistance

    “Emergency manager.” Translation: Rethug flunky.

    • yyyaz

      Running to a fire with a bucket of gasoline in each hand.

      • Spurning Beer

        Leaded gasoline

      • willi0000000

        you can’t possibly believe he drank the water . . . he stood outside and directed the Fahrenheit 451 firemen.

        • Sunhead

          IIRC while assuring the populace of Flint that the brown stinky tap water was safe to drink City Officials were shipping in and drinking only bottled water in their offices for months.

  • OneYieldRegular

    This is going to make for one hell of a sequel to “Roger and Me.”

    • Three Finger Salute

      Michael Moore must lose sleep at night knowing that his entire film career has had zero impact on changing his country for the better. All it did was get him demonized as a communist delivering agitprop to the “Hollywood limo-lib echo chamber.” Even Hollywood doesn’t have the kind of deep pockets — let alone ruthlessness — as the Mercers, Koch, Big ___, Murdoch, Sinclair, etc. etc. etc.

  • BreakingDeadMen

    What is it in the comment policy? I’m feeling very “with votes” about this.

    • proudgrampa

      If I didn’t comment the way I really feel about this, my entire non-comment would have to be redacted.

      • Rasilom

        Or disenvowled…

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        If I not-commented about how I really felt about this, anyone who would have read it would have had their face melt off. Furthermore, the innertubes would have been reduced to scrap by my non-comment long before I would have gotten banhammered for it. Therefore, I shall refrain from attempting to make such a non-comment.

        • proudgrampa

          Isn’t it good to express how you really feel?

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Not when it makes people’s faces melt. I hate melting innocent faces. If I could control who’s (*) faces would melt, maybe that would be different.

            (*) Apologies if this is not grammatically correct.

          • proudgrampa

            (*) Honestly, I had to look it up! The apostrophe is only a contraction for “who is.” Correct usage would have been “whose faces would melt” to show who possessed the faces you are melting.

            Sorry, I like this stuff.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Well thanks, I’ll know better next time. I know eleventy bazillion programming languages yet English is a massive font of fluxummy for me.

          • proudgrampa

            The most complex language in human history…

          • willi0000000

            that’s because English ‘just growed’ . . . unlike a logically constructed language like Unix.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    Oh, for fuck’s fucking sake.
    And that is all I can say without violating the Rules for Radicals TYVM.

  • OrG

    I have nothing to say that is within commenting rules.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Snyder Lied
    People Died

  • Ninja0980

    As George Carlin said, if you’re pre-born, you’re precious.
    If you’re born, you’re fucked.

  • Opiwan
  • Moebym of the Returners

    They like the idea of being pro-life. They don’t like the reality of it.

    • OrG

      NOT pro-life
      Anti-abortion

  • Michael Smith

    And conservatives all over the country know that THE REAL REASON that this happened is that liberal government policy was too focused on using the state to help individuals. All of this could have been avoided with less government oversight and more profit motives.

  • h4rr4r

    To economize further, no anti-corrosive chemicals were added to the water during treatment, which made Flint’s old pipes, many of which had lead solder, leach lead into almost all the city’s drinking water.

    This is the only part that was a problem. Had they just spent a few dollars a day on chemicals it would have all been fine.

    How no one has been hanged from a lightpost surprises me everyday.

  • Skeptical_thinker

    Please to be bottling lead tainted water from Flint and to be serving it at Republican meetings.

  • Anna Rompage

    You think this is bad?

    Wait for another 10-15 years when the CDC comes out with the report correlating all the disease and deaths attributed to the GOPs constant efforts in rolling back the industiral & mining regulations that protect the water supply & air nation wide…

    • Skeptical_thinker

      In another 10-15 years there will be no CDC because tax cuts.

      • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

        Nah, President Harris will reinstate everything with the help of the Democratically-controlled House and Senate.

        • OrG

          Always look on the bright side of life.

        • WotsAllThisThen

          Yes, isn’t it pretty to think so?

        • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

          I really like Neil Patrick, but is he up to the job?

      • OneYieldRegular

        Years? Months you mean. Weeks even.

        “Do you see me having any disease? No. So let’s get rid of this burdensome governmental intrusion.” @RealDonaldTrump

    • OneYieldRegular

      “At some point, God is telling you to move…out of this country.”

    • jesterpunk

      They can take care of that, just ban the CDC from “politicizing” the issue.

    • TheGrandWazoo2

      “It’s the Democrats fault for not stopping us.” -GOP

    • Three Finger Salute

      What CDC? Besides, Republicans will dispute the statistics on the grounds that “blacks are only 3/5 of a person anyway.” GOP Nazi math.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    Hope I’m not the first to link Kevin Drum’s piece on this. Probably the water, but he’s a bit skeptical it’s actually the lead…

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/09/did-lead-poisoning-in-flint-cause-an-epidemic-of-stillbirths-and-miscarriages/

    • jowgajen

      I’m skeptical of his “proof” chart.

      http://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/blog_flint_lead_levels_1998_2016.gif

      The issue here is that it shows the probability that a child will have blood lead levels at the “elevated” level of 5 m/d and or above twice that limit, or 10 m/d. There’s no data here for mothers with high blood lead levels, and chelation treatment isn’t suggested for children below 45 m/d — so we know that some adults and children will have had blood levels much higher than 10 m/d, but that would not be reflected on this chart. So while there may not be a miscarriage effect from 10 m/d there could be from, say 30 m/d and this chart would not give you the info to see that degree of spike.

      Additional info sourced from: https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/acclpp/lead_levels_in_children_fact_sheet.pdf

      • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

        I daresay we haven’t heard the last of this, given Drum’s interest in Flint, and lead poisoning in general…

  • jesterpunk

    But states rights or something.

    • Paperless Tiger

      Soon to be city-states rights, as part of the national regression to feudalism.

      • YoBunnyBunny

        SHERIFFS ARE THE REAL AUTHORITY!!!111!!

        • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

          Until they want to know how much they can sell my new truck for.

      • jesterpunk

        They argue against that when cities do things like say you can’t shoot your gun into the air.

      • Panika MCD

        not if you let certain Republicans have their way. they have found that urban areas tend to harbor an inordinate number of Democrats and even Republicans elected at the state level tend to want to have money for schools, emergency services and *gasp* reserve for disasters! there is a full on assault on cities going on in states controlled by Republicans.

        • theblackdog

          If only Maryland’s Republican governor thought that way. Instead we get slashing funding for schools but forking over money to build a youth jail in Baltimore.

          • Panika MCD

            I read up on that the last time it was mentioned. it appears that it’s a replacement facility, not a new one where none existed before. and slashing funding for schools is an assault on local government–so it appears that your governor does think that way. the next step is complaining when local property taxes go up because the state can live within its means or some shit like that.

          • theblackdog

            I think he’s doing that already

          • Panika MCD

            then he is carrying on with the assault on local governments.

  • Panika MCD

    TX abortion law is not as strict:

    HB2 (83-2) did require that abortion clinics meet the same standards as ambulatory surgical centers (like the places where you go to have skin cancers lased, lasic eye corrections and receive that minor back surgery for back pain that’s gotten so popular). but that part of the law was overturned by SCOTUS last year and it would have applied to the MI hospital OR law as well because they found there was no medical necessity. it did leave in place the ASC requirement for abortions performed after 16 weeks of gestation, but that was never at question to begin with. you’re welcome Michigan.

    MI passed that same abortion insurance bill in 2014 and TX just passed it during the special session. it’s being held up in court right now.

    the fetal remains bill tends to be a favorite of the GOP when they want to please their base and kill something worse. it’s consistently struck down by the courts. we just passed it during the regular session and, like the abortion insurance bill, it was expected to be a cover for GOPers who wanted to kill the bathroom bill and the stupid tax bill. I don’t know where it stands in court because the THA and TMA are the ones spending money to fight it–for good reason. the one weird trick in the TX version did not say who was to pay for the fetal funerals which would often put the cost on hospitals. but but but the Texas Conference of Catholic Bishops said they’d pay for the whole thing in this weird and gruesome practice where they fill a coffin with a bunch of jars of fetal remains and bury them at the same time. don’t know why prolifers think that’s better, but a lot of them were convinced that fetal remains were leaking into the water. (it was a weird hearing.)

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    “Nor is the history of fanatics half so striking in respect to the measureless self-deception of the fanatic himself”

    –Herman Melville, Moby Dick

  • bubbuhh

    GOPee not Pro Life> GOPee Pro Control uv all not rich.

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      GOP is pro-death of poors, “heathens”, non-straights, POC,…,anyone not scumbags like them. {{{full stop}}}

  • whitroth

    The GOP, and all the funnymentalists, are “pro-life” like I’m pro-Trump. I say we let out everyone in prison who was there for possession, and put ALL OF THESE SCUM, Katie, in and throw away the key.

  • Jonny On Maui

    Let’s not confuse pro-life with forced birth…

    • Shanzgood

      I’m partial to the term “gestational slavery” but I’m a selfish libtart baby-killing hoor, so.

      • Résistance Land Shark Ω

        But you’re cute, so it’s all good.

        • Shanzgood

          Pft!

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        I knew I liked you.

    • kaydenpat

      True because they’re pro-death penalty and pro-war. And the fact that they were willing to screw millions out of healthcare access by repealing and replacing the ACA with some nonsense shows that they really don’t care about life.

  • Spurning Beer

    Wait. Isn’t lead a common component of bullets? Maybe Snyder and the emergency manager were just extending a Second Amendment agenda.

    It says “Shall not be infringed,” libtards!

    • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

      In other news, GOP scumbags are bringing back lead shot. Why? Because profit, of course.

      ETA: I’m perfectly happy with my steel and bismuth shotgun ammo.

    • jowgajen

      So, lead bullets are an environmental hazard, which is why some government lands asked hunters to move to steel bullets and a rule was in process at the end of the Obama administration. Guess what happened to that rule?

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Would you like some silencers for your lead ammo? Sure you do…

      • Spurning Beer

        I’m guessing it got squelched by Governor Snyder and Big Lead.

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          Next up: Legalizing depleted-uranium ammo. Because, profit.

          • Raan

            Hey, you don’t know for sure that deer aren’t steel plating themselves.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Next up: HEAT rounds.

    • Panika MCD

      CDC says that gun ranges are the #1 place to be exposed to lead on the job.

      https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6025a2.htm

  • Scooby

    They are only concerned about the women that don’t want babies. The ones that do are on their own.

    • Raan

      And God help you if you visit Planned Parenthood for any reason except protesting and/or threatening the doctors.

    • kaydenpat

      They’re only concerned about White women having babies. Let’s keep it real.

  • FlownΩver

    We already knew the Republicans were willing to let 30 mil, undoubtedly including infants, go without health care coverage. This is just a different flavor of their hypocritical asshattery.

  • Shanzgood

    The “pro-life” folks like to trot out charts that “prove” their draconian anti-abortion laws caused a drop in abortion rates, but they fail to factor in the concurrent drop in birth rates. I’m sure they’ll find a way to ignore this evidence as well.

  • OutOfOrbit

    OT just a thought: if this huricane season becomes the norm, will it essentially make the Gulf/Caribian unhabitable? and the heat & rain in India-local the same? is this not the beginning of making Earth etc

    • laughingnome

      Are you suggesting climate change is something we should worry about? Good thing it’s not real.

      • OutOfOrbit

        what you say is reassuring

      • Shanzgood

        China is spoofing us. They’re destroying those areas so they can buy them up on the cheap.

        • laughingnome

          Watch out for the inscrutable Asians.

    • The Wanderer

      One climatologist suggested that equatorial areas (not all of them) might become uninhabitable unless humans relocated underground.

      • OutOfOrbit

        Why? what would they do down there? shelter only mebbe? temp bldgs above ground? pffft, i donut know. Morlocs anyone?

      • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

        With our low water table that would be a real constructional challenge.

  • kaydenpat

    Poisoned water = less Black babies = Joyful Republicans.

    Hopefully it will also = voters kicking the GOP out of state office in Michigan. They’ve shown their true colors.

    • Proud Liberal

      Michigan fucking voted for Donald Dump. I’m not sure they learned their lesson at all.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        Not the black people. Fucking with the black people is okay with the Trumpanzees. And the poor white people who live near the black people.They only get a conscience when their kids start dying from drugs, or something.
        GOP “I gots mine” lite.

  • CindyinEncinitas

    Stay in school, kids! Dang, I’m such a dedicated helper…

  • Anna Rompage

    There is nothing christain or “pro-life” about these peoples vision or morals for our country.

    Who would jesus refuse healthcare to, deport, allow to be poisoned by corporate greed, and discriminate against

    • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

      I posted the Washington Post article on this on Facespace for my RWNJ fundie relatives. (I also post evil science articles that mention that the earth is more than 6,000 years old.) if they can post their stupid memes, I think it’s fair to post reality based information.

      • The Wanderer

        Fight fire with fire.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Meh. I blocked all of my relatives and anyone else who can’t handle reality. My BP went down bigly as a result.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          I only blocked the ones that actively antagonized me. Blocked after a public shaming. Good times, good times.

        • Rasilom

          Did the same thing. Blockes 2 Uncles and 2 Aunts. Damn the level of shit in my inbow went down with my BP. I dont faceplace so I got that going for me.

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        I made all my iffy friends and family “acquaintances”, not friends, and turned off notifications from them. They are off in their own little corner.
        Then starting in 2015, I started quietly unfriending them so they dropped to “friends of friends”, if at all. Then if one of my friends dropped them, they were gone entirely.

        • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

          I enjoy posting and sharing stuff that my liberal friends like, that doesn’t confront the RWNJs directly but comes at them at an angle — trying to get them to think.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            That “think” thing. Does it ever work?

          • Unmutual Tetsu Kaba

            Probably not. I mostly hope to expose them to stuff not from the Faux News bubble.

    • Three Finger Salute
  • Dg Hacket

    Not to nitpick, but I believe the underground piping was actually made entirely of lead. A coating of minerals builds up on the inner pipe wall preventing the lead from leaching into the water. The chemicals they skimped on prevented the highly acidic water from the Flint river from scouring away that coating.

    • mancityRed6

      if I remember right, it was metal working companies reporting incidents of rust in parts that were washed with city water that saw things first.

      • cmd resistor

        Yeah, I think GM or one of the car manufacturers in Detroit.

    • h4rr4r

      I will now become PEDANT MAN!

      Some of the service lines that run from the mains to the houses in flint were indeed made of lead. However lead was also used in solder and in couplings elsewhere in the system. Another major issue is this corrosive water ate the iron pipes and in doing so let the iron bind up the chlorine normally used for sanitation. This lead to increased bacterial counts, which then meant more chlorine was used. This then resulted in more chlorine by products in the water. The iron and these by products are what caused the brown smelly water.

      The total amount of money saved by not using the chemicals to properly solve this issue was under $150/day.

      • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

        Thanks, PEDANT MAN!

        Your information is giving me a rage boner.

      • CindyinEncinitas

        So secksy. All those words…

  • Skeptical_thinker

    OT: If you volunteered to help in Mexico, be careful about which soft drinks you use.

    http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2017/09/22/travelers-warned-meth-laced-soda-mexico/693658001/

    • mancityRed6

      they’re just giving it away?
      no, seriously, that’s fucked up.

  • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

    There’s no fool like an old fool.
    “I believe we could do better working together, Republicans and Democrats, and have not yet really tried,” McCain said.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/mccain-no-one-last-ditch-obamacare-repeal

    • laughingnome

      Still liking McCain keeps knifing his party over the ACA repeal farce.

      • Bill D. Burger

        McCain: “Trump is a fucked up cunt. I like people who aren’t fucked up cunts. ___ That and payback is a bitch, huh Dotard Donald?”

      • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

        Just a tad. A squoosh.

      • therealpuredog

        I’ll believe it when I see his thumb go down again. Walnuts fucked McConnell, he would just as happily fuck us. In short, he is not a reliable vote until he’s voted.

        • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

          ^^^THIS.

        • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

          They may not bring it up for a vote, if the same four GOP senators are not on board. And they are not on board. So there. Suck it, Yertle.

          • Rasilom

            I have left yet another voice mail for my congress kritter Murkoski asking her polightly not to vote for this shit.

          • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

            Keep the calls coming. They tried taking away money last time. They’ve tried bribing her this time. I don’t think she can be bought. That’s good news for Alaska. Especially since Caribou Barbie has been shipped to Alabama.

          • Résistance Land Shark Ω

            Caribou Barbie can be bought for a six-pack of Molsen and a plate of wings.

    • OutOfOrbit

      gag me with a pick ax

      • Shanzgood

        That’s…graphic.

        • The Wanderer

          Not as graphic as “Oh, fuck me with a lemon squeezer,” which I used to describe my disgust at the possibility that Hurricane Maria might follow behind Irma.

          • OutOfOrbit

            you wanna apply that to WHAT! part of my body?!

          • The Wanderer

            Well, I was referring to my own body at the time.

          • Shanzgood

            Now I need to find out what a lemon squeezer is.

          • The Wanderer
          • Shanzgood

            Um.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            WORST SEX TOY EVAR!!!111

          • The Wanderer

            I’ve seen worse. Never had them used on or even brought near me, but I’ve seen worse.

          • Arolpin

            Still a better love story than Twilight.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            But not Nights in Rodanthe…

          • Tokays_don’t_blink

            Outer Banks libelz?

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            Apocalypse Now was a better love story than twilight.

          • Bill D. Burger

            If you put a bunch of Alessi squeezers on the lawn in the right light, kina’ looks like an alien invasion.
            And yes I did have that third glass of wine with lunch.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d9bea30683ca71e901ad5814731ddcd451dea91e0ff34c0bb911aa81c632840.jpg

          • The Wanderer

            LOL
            I had thought of posting a pic of an Alessi squeezer, but decided on the wooden one (I have one in plastic in my silverware drawer).

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Looks like some kind of phages invading a bacterium. Kool!

          • proudgrampa

            That’s nothing. I had that third martini for lunch!

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            2nd Cigar. First was at 7:30 AM. Trying to cut back because $$$.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            You rebel!

          • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

            “We are from Mars and we’ve come for your-”

            “Oh, GOD! You’ve come for our women!”

            “No! Jesus! We’ve come for your Citrus, man!”

          • proudgrampa

            A necessity in any kitchen!

          • The Wanderer

            Damned straight. Lemons, limes, oranges all bow before The Squeezer.

          • bubbuhh

            prehistoric butt plug

          • The Wanderer

            I am laughing inappropriately now. Thank you!

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            Must have been a lot of really high-dudgeon cavepeople walking around, then.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Artisanal, locally sourced butt plug.

          • Hamilton Ω, AKA Formerly DN

            “Fair Trade” butt plug.

          • BearDeLaOursistance

            Everyone who cuts me off on my delivery shift tonight is now being called that. BRAVO, Bubbuhh!

          • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

            That’s more like a lemon torture device from the Inquisition!

          • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

            Must….restrain….self…..from…..pointing….out…..that’s…..a…… REAMER, not a squeezer.

            Dammit, my anti-pedantry meds just wore off.

            This is a squeezer, FTR.

            http://www.lemon-squeezers.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/h/a/half-squeezer.jpg

          • The Wanderer

            True, but you also squeeze the lemon around it. (giggles)

          • Arolpin

            Thank you. I knew that some other pedant would correct this travesty if I just sat quietly for a minute and took deep breaths. (Seriously, I was like, THAT’S not a squeezer, it’s not even close. That’s not how any of this works!)

          • Rasilom

            Please tell me we are NOT getting ready for a lemon party…..

          • The Wanderer

            Definitely Not. Unless there is vodka on hand, for which lemon slices shall be needed.

          • Arolpin

            You are a OLD! I haven’t thought of that meme in 15 years. I curse you with tubgirl!

          • Natalie Au Natural Hedonist

            I could not agree with you more..

    • jesterpunk
      • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist

        Oh, I like Troll Hillary.

        • jesterpunk

          The GOP should have never tried to troll her about any policy question.

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      At least he has said that he won’t be voting for this crappy repair and replace bill. Along with Rand and Collins abstaining, this makes the bill dead again. Do that statement makes him feel betterer, fine as long as it kills the bill.
      https://mic.com/articles/184668/obamacare-repeal-looks-dead-after-mccain-says-hell-vote-no?utm_medium=web&utm_source=micPush#.VQUkns7SE

    • Three Finger Salute

      He actually said to work with Democrats?

      Looks like somebody’s going to get Putin Polonium in his chemo cocktail.

  • Aileen

    Another heartbreaking aspect of this is that exposure to lead during pregnancy can cause life-long development delays and mental limitations. Like, the children of Flint *could* have reached this level of potential, but now, thanks to lead in the drinking water, their potential will be more limited. I think it was Mother Jones that published a study that linked our crime rate (which peaked in the 1990s and has been dropping ever since) to taking lead out of gasoline in the 1970s. So, in addition to the misery of infertility and miscarriages, Flint will be suffering the consequences of this supremely fucked up decision for decades.

    • mancityRed6

      and the lead in paint and how it lasted through the years in the lower income rental housing these kids would have grown up in.

      • h4rr4r

        The solution for this is fantastically cheap and should simply be required of landlords. Require that all painted surfaces be repainted once a decade and if never done require that encapsulating paint be used.

        • mancityRed6

          even in states that have laws about it, the enforcement is lacking.
          and we are talking slumlords here.

        • BearDeLaOursistance

          Butbutbut… that’s a regulation! I call SOSHULISM!!!11!1!eleven!!

    • Cornelius Fussbudget

      Linky: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/

      That’s the same one that predicted reduced violence in the middle east starting 2020-2025, based on when they phased out leaded gasoline. Looking forward to that!

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Are you pissed off enough yet?

    “..@HHSGov plans to shut down @HHSGov for 12 hours during all but one Sunday during the upcoming 6 week open enrollment season”

    https://t.co/0d5WUtLc9G

    • Résistance Land Shark Ω
      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        Those are sarcasm scissors, Dok….

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Well, I thought I was. . .

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      WTF?

    • Meanie-meanie, tickle a person

      Oh, Jesus F Christ with a nice Chianti…

    • Ω cynmac’s reclaiming her time

      Yeah, Tom Price is a real piece of shit. So shitty that Betsy DeVos has come out and said “yeah, I fly private jet, but I own it and I pay for it. neener neener”.

  • theblackdog

    So when do you think Snyder will start billing the families for funerals and disposal of all those lost fetuses, since they were supposed to be kids but the awful slut moms drinking that water meant they went against God’s will?

  • Oneofthebobs

    They aren’t pro-life, they’re anti-choice. It’s that simple, and this is just another example that clearly illustrates the distinction between the two terms.

    • laughingnome

      And pro telling women what to do with their bodies.

    • Parakeetist

      “They’re anti-woman. They don’t like ’em.” – George Carlin

    • LeftyProud

      Thank you! I have been saying that for years.

    • Zippy W Pinhead

      they hate the idea of women being treated equally, period

      • Three Finger Salute

        And they want black women treated the lowest of all.

  • Jeffocaster in the West

    Pewter. It is what did in the Romans. So we offer the elements of the elegant alloy to the poorz and they complain. So ungrateful.

    • Bill D. Burger

      Maybe the gold gilt wore off of the Trump dinnerware and lots and lots and lots of lead got into their systems.
      Could splain’ a LOT. ___ Course’ all the fucking cocaine and the syphillis probably explain Dotard Don better!

      • CindyinEncinitas

        Finally! The answer! And I thought is was the KFC dipped in Cool Whip!

        • Snark Tank Full of Resistance

          Bad taco bowls, also too.

          And of course, canned clams.

          • Rasilom

            If you were acusing anyone else of cannes clam consumption I would call you a monster. Thing is I think canned clams are too good for that monster tRumpus.

          • Jennifer R

            He gets the surstromming.

          • Rasilom

            I think the Dumbnald deserves a diet consisting strictly of lutefisk and potted meat product for all eternity. So sayeth the FSM to me in my dreams.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Do you dream of Miracle Whip also too as well? I believe one is allowed condiments in eternity.

          • Rasilom

            No Miracle Whip for Dumbnald. He is not worthy of it’s cool creamyness.

          • CindyinEncinitas

            Spoilt clotted cream for Lord Dampnut!

          • BearDeLaOursistance

            Worcestershire would pair amusingly with the above…

          • kareemachan
          • Rasilom

            Yes!!! I will add it to his menu STAT!

          • Jennifer R

            Surstromming hits both those in one evictingly awful smelling product.

          • Tokays_don’t_blink

            I actually like potted meat. So perhaps I would enjoy lutefisk also too. And I have been toying with the idea of a trip to Iceland…

        • Bill D. Burger

          Quarter Pounders with extra cheese! (*I’d almost eat the lead first! ;)

    • The Wanderer

      Also the lead pipes and the lead punchbowls they used to mix their wine with water.

    • laughingnome

      It’s a radiation shield so when Trump and Jung Il throw down there’s that.

      • CindyinEncinitas

        I shall put my great-grandmother’s tea pot over my head and be saaaayyeevved!

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Drowning the gov’t in one leaden-water-filled bathtub at a time.

  • Blackest Noobs

    briebart news people are losing their collective shit over what Johnny McCain just did.

    • laughingnome

      This is why we love McCain. We hate him for the other stuff.

      • mancityRed6

        he still wants to repeal, maybe replace. he just wants to do it with a majority.

        • laughingnome

          I thought he wants to work on a fix with bipartisan group?

        • DrBigHead

          And, if you believe him (and I am not sure that I do),he wants the fix to be bipartisan.

          • cmd resistor

            And done by the normal process (“regular order”) — like having committee hearings, CBO score, amendments, stuff like that.)

        • laughingnome

          If he wanted repeal with a majority then he would have voted for Graham-Cassidy, no?

          • mancityRed6

            no, they’re still trying to get that in when they can do it with 50 votes, which is a majority but not a normal filibuster proof majority

          • laughingnome

            Will never happen without dem support.

          • mancityRed6

            exactly. and they only have 8 days left or else wait until next year.

          • kareemachan

            And I doubt they’ll be working this weekend.

        • The Wanderer

          He’s at least paying lip service to regular order, which is how Obamacare was enacted.

          • mancityRed6

            yeah, but, I’m still gonna call him a dick.

        • ariel_gee_398

          I mean, that’s like saying a straight teenage boy saying “I want to lose my virginity, I just want to do it with Jennifer Lawrence.”

          • mancityRed6

            and thus, an incel is born.

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        They did a special segment on him in the Vietnam series – just made me lose my shit altogether for a minute. Watch it….

    • CindyinEncinitas
    • Wild Cat

      They don’t lose their shit. They exchange it it and cook it for Thanksgiving.

    • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist
      • Bill D. Burger

        I always love the way, just for a second, McCain glares at Yertle just after he gives the thumbs down and walks off: “In your fucking face, Turtle.”

        • Little Lulu Ω

          My favorite moment.

      • CindyinEncinitas

        I could watch that all day.

    • The Wanderer

      Good.

    • mancityRed6

      people are trolling
      “On day ONE we’re going to repeal and replace Obamacare and it’s goingto be so easy, you won’t believe it. Your premiums will be so low, you’ll say, ‘Oh, Mr. Trump! Please stop all this winning! We can’t take all this winning!!!”

      – Fat Donna Nazihugger, 12/22/2016.”

      • kareemachan

        “But, but, but…. I didn’t know the leopard would eat MY face!!!!11!!”

        -Fat Donna Nazihugger of the Leopard Face-Eating movement, 12/22/18

        • mancityRed6

          baby, they’re trolling. and I’m betting fat donna nazihugger is their pet name for tRump.

    • Bill D. Burger
    • Zippy W Pinhead
    • DrBigHead

      Oh that’s too bad…..

    • jesterpunk
    • Mr. Blobfish

      Ever notice over at conservative sites there is one comment then there are around 5,000 replies?

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        You don’t actually expect a party of blind followers to come up with many original ideas, do you?

        • Shanzgood

          Ouch (she replied).

      • Tokays_don’t_blink

        Sox’n’bots, brother!

    • TheGrandWazoo2

      Top comment 320 upvotes so far…

      citizensam • 2 hours ago
      haven’t ever rooted for a disease before…but really wish that cancer would hurry up and do its job.
      320
      •Reply•Share ›

      Many of them are good people, doncha know.

      • cmd resistor

        Geez, you would think since probably everyone has had at least relatives suffer from cancer they would not be so crass and evil as to wish it on anyone.

        • brucej

          These are Breitbart commenters. Crass and Evil is their bread and butter.

          • Zippy W Pinhead

            deplorable was way too nice for that lot

          • brucej

            ‘A hive of scum and villainy’ comes to mind.

      • Zippy W Pinhead

        Just economically anxious. We really should set aside our differences and listen to what they have to say, even if it means throwing women, minorities and the LGBTQ community under the bus

    • NotDarkYet

      So that’s what a Republican who can’t be bought –anymore– looks like …

      • Blackest Noobs

        well…he’s got nothing to lose…you know..brain cancer and all.

        • NotDarkYet

          Yes, I know — thus the “anymore” … and not that I wish that disease on my worst enemy (having gone thru with it with my husband; it’s tough on the patient and on the family…even with “good” drugs), but impending death does have a way to focus the mind…

          • nightmoth

            Remember the Lee Atwater apology? I wish Republicans would meditate on that every morning.

          • NotDarkYet

            He had a brain tumor, too, didn’t he?

            Most of those guys/gals do NOT think of death, not their own, anyhow. They act as if they’ll live forever, with all the splendors a human body/mind could want.

            Repub motto: Après nous le déluge

          • nightmoth

            Yes, brain tumor. He made a beautiful and sincere apology to the people he had ruined with his political lies. Unfortunately, the damage was done, and no apology could undo it.

    • HandsOfFate

      Mavericky!

  • Shanzgood

    I agree that the number of miscarriages is likely WAY under-reported. Stillbirths after 20 weeks are not nearly as common as first trimester miscarriages.

    Also, why did they even mention abortions? That makes no sense.

    • DrBigHead

      Because abortions are eeeeeevillllll

      • Shanzgood

        But that was referenced in the study and I don’t understand why. It’s irrelevant.

        • DrBigHead

          You are right. It makes no sense

        • Zippy W Pinhead

          I’d assume because they can’t quantify how many, if any, abortions were because the mother found out there would be medical problems

          • Shanzgood

            Yes, I wasn’t thinking of 20+ week abortions because they are so rare, anyway. But now I’m thinking it would have been good to be able to have that information.

    • Thiazin Red

      One reason to count abortions would be if the water change caused an increased demand for later term abortions due to defects. Or if women aborted because they knew that exposure to lead during pregnancy can cause defects.

      • DrBigHead

        Good point

      • Shanzgood

        Possibly, but I’m not sure many Flint residents could afford it. State law bans insurance coverage unless the woman’s life is endangered and abortion after 20 weeks is very expensive.

        • Three Finger Salute

          And can’t be paid for with Medicaid at any point, thanks to the blight on humanity that was Henry Jeckyll Hyde.

          • Shanzgood

            That asshole.

          • Three Finger Salute

            He’s going to hold up single-payer for a long time too. No Democrat worth their salt will compromise and let abortion be relegated to the out-of-pocket luxury tier like facelifts. But no Republican is going to budge on “tax dollars of good, hardworking Americans” being used to cover “murdering baby Jesus in the womb” either. Just look at the covfuffle over birth control coverage under Obamacare, and the fact that Hobby Lobby fucking won.

          • Shanzgood

            Yeah, I know. *sigh*

    • Panika MCD

      because when you search the hospital records, miscarriages come up as “spontaneous abortions”.

      • Shanzgood

        Also lots of women miscarry at home.

        • Panika MCD

          true, but many go to hospitals for followup care if it’s their first.

    • kareemachan

      Also, if you miscarry very early on, it really looks and feels like a period. Many women probably had no idea they were pregnant.

      • Shanzgood

        That happened to me. At the time, I thought it was just a horrible period. In retrospect, considering I don’t GET bad periods and that one was late and had me bedridden and blind with pain for two days, I’m presuming it was a miscarriage.

  • Three Finger Salute

    Black Holocaust. Their last resort to getting rid of “future Democratic voters.”

    Don’t anyone tell me it’s hyperbole to call the GOP the American Nazi Party.

    • Grokenstein

      It was recently reported that Alameda Point’s water is unfit to drink because “I dunno.” (Seriously, at the time of reporting, authorities suspected it was due to “a cross connection between a potable drinking water line and a nonpotable irrigation line.”)

      And all I could think of was, “what if someone in California looked at Flint and said to themselves, ‘maybe we could do that here.'”

  • WotsAllThisThen

    Under GOP rule, you women should know what the penalty for miscarrying is.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    That’s not the worst. By every implication, babies that were conceived at this time assumably were born with toxic lead levels, which leads inexorably to reduced brain function, along with poor physical health. Have any studies begun on these children, and why the fuck haven’t they been even mentioned in this revelatory article?????….

    • Thiazin Red

      Too soon to collect and process all the data probably.

      • cmd resistor

        I know there was some testing of older kids and remember reading how their lead levels would have to continue to be tested for a long time.

        • Thiazin Red

          Too soon for kids who have been born since the crisis. There is data on the older kids, but data from the younger ones will take time.

      • mardam422

        A good study would gather data on these kids for 5yrs or more. By then things like autism levels, decreased cognitive ability, etc., will begin to show up in statistically significant numbers.

        • Three Finger Salute

          No, no, erryboddy knows teh autizms iz caused by vaxeen needels and kemtrales. I hurd it on Infowarz so it must be troo!

    • Jennifer R

      Don’t forget; thanks to the legacy of leaded gasoline the whole planet has a higher baseline nominal lead level.

  • TimResistit
  • Jenny

    Working as Intended- GOP

  • Zippy W Pinhead

    Whelp, it’s finally happening. It’s the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

    https://gizmodo.com/mysterious-apocalyptic-message-interrupts-tv-broadcasts-1818656201

    • jesterpunk

      Isnt the world supposed to end tomorrow anyway?

      • commatoes

        Replying from tomorrow.

        Nope. Didn’t happen.

        • jesterpunk

          But maybe the invisible planet hit the earth and caused an invisible apocalypse that we didnt notice?

    • Three Finger Salute
    • CindyinEncinitas

      I, for one, welcome our alien overlords and assume they are more rational than what we have now.

    • Suttree

      I didn’t get the message. I say it’s crazy Californians hopped up on that ganja weed.

      • Jennifer R

        What are you blaming me for?

    • VirginiaMorningBlend

      Armaghetti is tomorrow isn’t it?

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    Stop saying sorry. It makes you non existent. Blame all others for everything.

    American Horror story on the birth of Republicans.

  • Jeffocaster in the West

    OT: McCain is schtupping the GOP “leadership” again.

    • janecita

      I’m starting to like that crazy
      dotard (new favorite word).

      • Jeffocaster in the West

        I think he used to have some things going for him. But Sarah Inpalin and his right wing talk……this is the least a decent person would do.

    • Suttree

      Wake when he tells the truth about something and fucking sticks to it.

  • Viktor

    Rick Snyder insulated himself from the fallout, lets his underlings get tossed under the bus and charged with crimes, all while he showers in Voss water. Rick Snyder is a poisonous murderer just as much as Bashar al-Assad.

  • SkinlessGenderlessMan

    Government sponsored abortion. Don’t call them miscarriages, call them forced abortions. Not like the women had a say in the matter…..again.

  • President in Exile Firefly

    Also tell us again how birth control = eugenics = kill black babies, RWNJs.

  • gene108

    It’s articles like this that make me think maybe violent insurrection is warranted. I really do get stabby reading about this sort of injustice and callous disregard for human life from rich people.

    • commatoes

      I’m sorry but you must feel stabby… a lot.

  • nightmoth

    Yeah, well, the unborns were gonna come out with the wrong skin color, amIright? The GOPers got all up in arms some 35 years ago over Medicaid funding for poor women’s newly legal abortions, and they still won’t allow Medicaid funding for freely chosen abortions. Right-wingers don’t want their tax dollars going to fund the “sin” of abortions. (I don’t want my tax dollars going to fund the “sin” of war, but that desire doesn’t count.) Yet Rethuglican penny pinchers will happily let unwanted spontaneous abortions: i.e. miscarriages, happen from deliberate neglect. What a country!

    • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

      You’re giving them slightly too much credit as human beings. They have no humanity, only open cruelty and hate. They don’t care about any babies, or even sin. Forced-birthers ONLY want to CONTROL WOMEN. That’s why they try to stop abortions. There’s zero concern for the fetuses, or the grown fetuses that are the women. They want to force women who have sex by their own agency to suffer an involuntary 9-month pregnancy with all its attendant risks, painful childbirth, and then be fully responsible for another human being for 18 years, with no help or assistance, so that the bastard spawn, too, suffers for the woman’s wish for bodily integrity. They don’t want us to have bodily integrity. That’s why they express themselves so hatefully, screaming at women having routine medical procedures–they don’t want women to have control over their bodies. That’s literally all it is. All the other stuff is jibber-jabber to rile up the rubes. Even with a corpse, you have to have prior consent in order to transplant their organs. They want women to have fewer rights than a corpse.

      In Flint, this is about racist right-wingers literally wanting to GET RID OF BLACK PEOPLE. They don’t care at all about black people as people–in fact many of them actively want them to die. Poisoning their water was at best, indifferent, and very likely, a feature rather than a bug. Poison them, there will be fewer of them! Cause thousands of miscarriages? Even FEWER of them! These folks come from hatred, racism, misogyny, and venal selfishness. They are heinous, hateful, and inhumane.

      • nightmoth

        Guess I was conflating the politicians with the rubes in my post. I agree with you about the GOP “leaders.” I think the base gets confused and manipulated. I heard the “don’t wanna pay for no baby killing” from the rubes around here back in the day. Of course, now I hear “don’t wanna pay for no black single mothers having more damn babies” from the same rubes.

        • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

          Yes, exactly. These problems with lead poisoning aren’t “problems” to the racists and the rubes.

          • laineypc

            The people who say “I’m not a racist” fail/refuse to see that racism allowed this to happen. I hope the Time article reaches some of these.

      • Nasty Girl Brianna

        That’s because all of these Christofascists began life by being brainwashed in their Christian Madrassas, also known as “Sunday School” where they were taught the concept of Original Sin and how it was brought to humanity thanks to women.

        So in the end, everything they do is about punishing women for Original Sin.

        • Little paid attention to point of Dogma: Jesus was supposed to have erased original sin.
          Poof. Gone.
          Because his virgin mother who was born without original sin, and his sacrifice is why.
          Weird how they keep harping about one of the fundamental premises of their entire religion, non?

          • commatoes

            I don’t remember the Big J saying anything about the gays either. IIRC, Leviticus mostly.

        • Cat Cafe for the Prosecution

          I also think the powermongerers who are at the “head” of their churches are wretched woman-haters, who have “designed” their “religion” to reflect that. Their weak, powerless followers follow them because they don’t have the strength or the brains to resist. It’s terrible.

  • Sean Jungian

    Oh, well, see, “pro-life” just means “pro-WHITE-life”. Flint has a lot of mostly brown folks, so the increased rate of miscarriage was a feature, not a bug.

    • Nasty Girl Brianna

      ^^^THIS^^^

      It couldn’t be more obvious, could it?

      • I have seen odious assholes argue so what? It’s only poor takers who have so many babbies anyway and aren’t you pro abortion, har har.
        Heartless mother fuckers do not begin to describe these people.
        But we should not demonize them. Oh no.

        • sarafina

          Feel free to demonize the heartless mother fuckers.

  • Nasty Girl Brianna

    And Rick Snyder gets to serve out the rest of his term while some underlings go to jail.

    ‘Murica. Fuck yeah.

    • Alan

      And, as a bonus, I get to pay his legal bills!

  • Doug Langley
  • pgjack

    Miscarriages and a miscarriage of justice. Lock Gov. Snyder up, lock him up!

  • KenTFM

    The GOP is just as “pro-life” as they always have been. Just realize they are not pro Black or Brown or Gay or Muslim or Trans, etc lives.

    If this shit had happened in Jackson Hole Wyoming, Butte Montana, Greenwich Connecticut or any other majority white city or town motherfuckers would have been executed already. Flint and all those melanin rich people, the GOP could not care less.

  • TootsStansbury

    I don’t feel pro life right now.

  • Bebecca

    I was listening to Michelangelo Signorelli on Sirius Progresd radio on the way home from work today. He was talking about Mike Pence making that stupid statement about would you rather have your Governor make your Healthcare choices or the president in some faraway place(???) And the next collar was from Michigan, she said you think I want our governor making healthcare decisions for me?

    • roberteye

      Pence is delivering the best “argument” they have. As Kimmel said, “Uh, neither?”

  • hvdv

    Clearly, Skygod killed the babbies. So it’s fine.

    • commatoes

      When Skygod does it it his part of the plan. When a human does it, that is against the Skygod’s wishes.

  • John Mruzik

    I may just be a drunk country doctor, but god performs a lot more abortions than people do. But let us say god puts a soul in every fertilized egg. Egg splits? a miracle! another soul is pushed in. but if an set of fertilized egg fuse, then a person is born with 2 souls. Doe god take one away?

    • Joe Monte

      That’s how we get bisexuals or transgendered people.

    • commatoes

      Yup, evidently human chimera were unknown to the deity in question or (s)he did not bestow that knowledge on his followers.

    • H0mer0

      1/3 of all first pregnancies are spontaneously aborted, from what I heard almost 18 years ago (the last time I looked–now most of my OB/GYN “research”(looking stuff up) as a primary care physician is about dry hoo-hoos and abnormal paps.

      • sgt. jmk of the résistance

        Seems to hold up, from what I’ve read – a quarter to a third, often before the woman knows she’s preggers.

        That doesn’t even consider the number of fertilized eggs that never implant…which the “every sperm is sacred” crew doesn’t even recognize as a thing.

  • Lex Luthor

    I asked Dr. Hanna-Attisha about this in early 2016 because we were hoping to bring it up at the public hearings. But the data weren’t available then, and by now even news this terrible isn’t enough to focus attention and resources back on Flint. The newest Census numbers put Flint as the second poorest city in the country (cities over 65,000 people). It’s a disgrace how the federal and state governments have systematically hollowed out Flint with their policies and then blamed the people they abandoned there.

  • Maybe

    As nearly as I can understand it, Repubs are against terminating a pregnancy when the woman wants to, but okay with it when she doesn’t.

    There may be a pattern here.

  • Joe Monte

    If you were aiming to save money by tapping into a dirty river then I’d call that a failure.

    If you were aiming to impact the fertility of black women and take out a few black babies in the process then I’d call that a SUCCESS!

  • ExecutorElassus

    Someone with knowledge of Michigan law, help me out. Is this one of those states that passed a bunch of harsh penalties for things like “inducing a miscarriage in the commission of a crime”? Because I’d imagine some government officials would be in some legal jeopardy if that were the case.
    Fucksakes, this whole story makes me want to rage-stroke. Is 10:30am to early to start drinking?

    • Vacuous Virgina

      No!

    • Mark A Dresslar

      I don’t know about Michigan law, but under GOP law, they’re fine, cuz ya know the dead are almost all black.

    • H0mer0

      never too early

  • Vagenda and Pee-ara

    Republican response: Can we poison Chicago’s water too?

    I’ve always believed that if the drooling imbeciles who make up the GOP’s base knew that 80% of abortions are performed on minority women, they would suddenly have a change of heart regarding whether women should have the right to choose what’s best for them.

    • The Flaming Carrot

      I haven’t seen anything about Chicago. Only “liberals should be happy about this, since they hate babies anyhow,” “Good, fewer welfare recipients,” and “it’s the Democratic Party’s fault, since they’ve run Flint for 50 years.”

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      Oh they know – that’s what’s behind all that “Planned Parenthood locates abortionplexes in black neighborhoods to genocide all the black fetuses because Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who was in the Klan” bullshit they try to use as a wedge to get black women away from the Democratic party.

      • Vagenda and Pee-ara

        They’ll be the first out with picket signs demanding we stop feeding all those little Democrats, too. Most of them haven’t thought past the actual birth of the child, and who’s going to feed, clothe, and house all those beautiful babies. I’m guessing they won’t want their Social Security checks to be cut, to pay for them, and of course we can’t ever raise taxes, so I guess we’ll just let them be raised on gruel in orphanages.

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