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Lindsey Graham and Bill Cassidy have simply had it with all of the liberals’ mean, lying lies about the Graham-Cassidy plan to kill the Affordable Care Act and replace it with a system of block grants that will allow states to try to put together their own healthcare systems, or not, at least for the six years before the ever-shrinking block grants exist before ending in 2026. And poor Bill Cassidy is really upset that Jimmy Kimmel said such mean things about him, because he’s very sure his bill still passes the “Jimmy Kimmel Test,” at least as Bill Cassidy is now defining it. (The earlier, pre-Graham-Cassidy definition was “would this bill provide insurance that would cover a seriously ill baby no matter how much money the parents make?”) Here’s a remarkably news-filled three minutes from NBC’s Kasie Hunt:

Does the bill pass the “Jimmy Kimmel Test”? Well of course: “Yes. There will be people in states like…” and here Cassidy gets lost, trying to remember one of the red states that’ll cash in on the redistribution of funds from states that had passed Medicaid expansion (Louisiana is not one of them). As to Kimmel’s assertion that Cassidy had lied about Republicans’ commitment to cover everyone, well, says Cassidy, that’s just a “personal attack.” Then it’s back to the wonderful benefits for states that never expanded Medicaid, and what’s more, Cassidy insists, “We have protections for preexisting conditions.” Lindsey Graham can’t stand to see a good decent insurance-eliminating man like Cassidy slurred, so he says Kimmel was just listening to “liberal talking points that are absolute garbage,” and that led Kimmel astray. Then, after accusing Kimmel of lying, Graham lied, saying we have to eliminate Obamacare since it’s “collapsing” (No. It isn’t).

Hunt then pointed out, “But states would be able to not cover people with preexisting conditions –” A very angry Graham interrupted her:

Where are you getting this garbage? Where are you getting this garbage? That’s complete garbage!

Maybe it’s coming from the Graham-Cassidy bill? Cassidy went on to explain to the dumb lady reporter that while states can apply for waivers, they would have to make sure that people with preexisting conditions have “access to adequate and affordable coverage” — terms that the bill conveniently doesn’t define. And we all know what Republicans mean by “access” to care: If you have enough money, you have access. If you’re poor, you’d better make more money to get access.

Chris Sloan of the health research firm Avalere told Vox there’s enough wiggle room in that definition to drive a very expensive ambulance through:

“You could stretch the definition pretty broadly of what counts,” says Sloan. “Maybe you fund a high-risk pool that only allows in some number of people, and that counts. It’s a pretty wide space.”

What’s more, that language does not outlaw discrimination against sick patients. An individual with a history of asthma, for example, could see health insurance plans that want to charge her 10 percent more because they expect she’ll have higher health care costs.

Always willing to be helpful, the AARP highlighted exactly which part of the bill would allow insurers to jack up rates for preexisting conditions:

Oh, yes, and states would also be free to eliminate the ACA’s requirement that insurance plans cover essential medical benefits like mental health care, maternity care, women’s health services, ER visits or hospital stays, and other stuff that makes insurance kind of expensive. That will lead to a proliferation of “affordable” junk insurance plans that don’t cover much of anything.

That means Graham-Cassidy would also put your insurance at risk if you get health insurance through your employer, and that’s not only because it eliminates the employer mandate. Even companies that provide insurance could start providing far crappier insurance: Here’s why, as explained by the Brookings Institution.* The ACA’s ban on annual and lifetime insurance caps applies to the essential health benefits defined by the ACA. Get rid of the requirement that all insurance cover essential health benefits, and not only have you opened the door to employer-based insurance plans deciding they won’t cover, say, mental health or women’s health services, but you’ve also eliminated the ban on annual and lifetime caps for services.

So even if you’re Jimmy Kimmel and you have insurance through your job at ABC, it’s possible your insurer or employer might decide once your son’s heart defect has cost a million dollars to treat, then the baby doesn’t get any more coverage. Lucky thing Mr. Kimmel lives in a state that won’t toss out those protections, and works for a company that’s unlikely to slash benefits. But other states and companies will almost certainly decide that’s a terrific idea to make insurance “affordable.”

Nope, having insurance through your employer won’t necessarily protect you from the changes that Graham Cassidy would make to health insurance. It’s an insanely radical plan, and we can’t let it pass. Light up the phones, people, even if you know your own rightwing senator isn’t persuadable and will definitely vote for this monstrosity. They need to hear from us, because Congress is a herd animal. And Democratic senators need to hear from us to get the courage to slow down everything in the Senate until the reconciliation deadline expires September 30.

* The analysis here was written about an earlier waiver measure, but Graham-Cassidy adopts the same approach to letting states define benefits.

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  • msanthropesmr

    So, should I be more worried about nuclear war or a lack of health coverage?

  • PeedeResistance

    The worst atrocity yet. The figures on what happens to someone with metastatic cancer… https://twitter.com/BarbaraBoxer/status/910168791421612032
    Please, please make those calls. As someone posted on another thread: If, like me, you shun talking to people on the phone, Resistbot is awesome. If you can afford to text, message RESIST to 50409 and they will ask a couple of questions and then fax your reps for you. I do this weekly.

    • wait! what?

      Yeah, but see that’s just one instance of it. If you’ve had it more than once then you are truly uninsurable.

  • Crank Tango

    To be fair, his being black IS a pre-existing condition.

    • armed_bears

      Well there you go… makes perfect sense, IYR.

    • BadKitty904

      Being a liar is not. ‘Cept for Republicans.

  • Rags

    My young niece with a genetic heart condition requiring a pacemaker will be doomed to a life of poverty. It’s as simple as that.

    • Crystalclear12

      Wrong place.
      Blaming disqus.

      • Rags

        kinda wondered….. thanks for the clarification

    • NotALiar

      This is the kind of stuff that make me believe the Right is the enemy. Not political oppsition. They pick on the people who can’t stuck up for themselves. Fucking monsters.

  • DrBigHead

    So under the Graham-Cassidy bill, access to coverage for some conditions will be at the same level as my access to a Rolls Royce Silver Shadow. So no one is actually “limiting” my choice. It would just be up to me to prioritize.

    • msanthropesmr

      Go for the Bentley

      • wide_stance_hubby

        Ashley St. Ives approves this.

      • wait! what?

        Handsome Rob’s Aston Martin or gtfo.

      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        That Land Rover has a back seat full of used condoms and broken dreams…

        • Amy!

          That’s why Google’s just giving them away for a couple hour’s work.

      • CripesAmighty

        Eh, it’s just a $200,000 VW.

      • DrBigHead

        Flying Spur?

      • georgiaburning

        Pick a Toyota and pocket the difference. Routine maintenance on luxury brands is a total rip-off

    • Gayer Than Thou

      We have seen multiple announcements here in the non-comments of exciting work-at-home opportunities that have allowed people to buy fancy cars. I’m sure you could take advantage of one of those and buy yourself a Rolls.

      • willi0000000

        yeah, but they lie like republicans.

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      Hey if you can’t pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, tough. Why should a hedge fund manager have to give up his fat tax cut so poor people can get medical treatment? Just don’t be poor! You can make it if you try! /s

      • Three Finger Salute

        They’re expecting that most of us will pull our necks up by a belt strap.

        Some of us, ultimately, will.

  • WTF are we talking about making insurance affordable. Shouldn’t we be talking about making health care affordable?

    • DrBigHead

      Until that separation is made, we are fucked.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Especially when we strip the definition of what counts as insurance down to “two annual band-aids (generic brand only) and unlimited thoughts and prayers.” At least if we defined insurance as the ACA did, and focused on decreasing deductibles, affordable health insurance would serve some societal purpose.

    • Bright Bart

      ya. exhibit A. this is for treating a snake bite. To be fair, no one should be taking a selfie with a rattlesnake but…
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6deebefec0343602ec0d8fc1f0e7953b4c14cdf25d1b25fe727d59a23ccd5cbf.jpg

  • BadKitty904

    Just when I thought I couldn’t possibly hold Lindsey “Aunt Pitty” Graham in any deeper contempt…

    • Gayer Than Thou

      In this instance, “Pity” is meant to be ironic, not real.

      • BadKitty904

        Taking closeted self-hate to a new low…

  • TJ Barke

    CAN WE PLEASE HAZ THE REVOLUTION NOW!?

    • BadKitty904

      I swear to God…

    • Gayer Than Thou

      Don’t look at me – take it up with Susan Sarandon.

      • TJ Barke

        That bitch ain’t gonna lead a fire team…

  • A copy of what I sent my “senators” today:

    “Good afternoon,

    I’m writing to express my deep concern for the future of health care in North Carolina should the Cassidy-Graham bill pass in the senate. I am a business owner with 9 employees, 4 of which (including myself, a cancer survivor) have a pre-existing condition and all of whom have found healthcare through the ACA. To consider a repeal of the law without even having a CBO score to refer to is nothing short of political expediency and shortsided leadership. All preliminary reports on the Cassidy-Graham bill show up to 32 million Americans will lose their health insurance by 2026. This bill proposes to “put America first” (the American insurance industry and the American pharmaceutical industry) while ignoring the recommendations of doctor’s groups, hospital associations, Governors, and the will of the American people. The health and welfare of the people in this state and in this country far outweigh any campaign promises that may have been popular in abstract. This bill is shameful.

    The ACA is at the height of its popularity now and the Senate would be wise to understand that. Like so many millions of other Americans, for the first time in many, many years my employees and I were able to get coverage and I cannot tell you the peace of mind that brings to me and my family.

    I desperately urge you to vote NO on the Cassidy-Graham bill.”

    We mustn’t let up now, foks. Call, write, fax, send smoke signals, sky-write, sign language, drop trou, en espanol, en francais, wack your pee pee, and pull the hair and beat the breasts to get attention on this issue.

    To quote ‘Ole Handsome Joe Biden, “It’s a big fuckin’ deal.”

    • armed_bears

      Thank you. I shall repurpose accordingly… my Senators are solid “no” votes, but time to get the House riled up, too.

    • JoeChristmas

      Garbage!! Liberal talking points!!11! Personal attack on Sens. Graham-Cassidy!!1!!1!

      • Well, to be fair, that is what I wanted to do.

  • Jenny

    AAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHH!

  • armed_bears

    Lies from POTUS enable whole swarms of lies from his minions. We can’t even get them to acknowledge truth vs falsehoods.

  • Crystalclear12

    This is winning?!

    Huh, he told the truth about something because I am sick of this!

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    What say you, Charlie?

    What we are hearing now from a number of people is the open admission that the goal of the Republican Party, a death-cult based on human suffering, is to strip healthcare from those people who do not vote for them, and from people the conservative mind has adjudged are unworthy of its benefits. Many of these arguments are toweringly stupid, as we shall see. But at least it’s out in the open now.

    • armed_bears

      But at least it’s out in the open now.

      Hope that matters.

    • TJ Barke

      It’s only out in the open for those not cocooned in the right wing echo chamber.

    • Joe Beese

      In fairness, capitalism as a whole is a death-cult based on human suffering.

      • Oblios_Cap

        A zero-sum, winner take all game is like that? Hush your mouth, commie!

  • MasRioBravoHombre

    I live in a town of 22,000 mostly Drumpf voters. 50% of the kids under 18 here are covered by Medicare or Medicaid. These people will not stand for this current attempt to fuck them. they were dumb and racist enough to love Drumpf; they are not dumb enough to cheer their healthcare being stolen to give tax breaks to millionaires.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Tax breaks for millionaires have been re-branded as ‘freedom and choice.’

      • clubseal

        I thought it was still “trickle down.”

        • wide_stance_hubby

          So Eighties.

        • leemoder

          After 40 years people are starting to catch on to that one.

    • Blackest Noobs

      sorry but who are you kidding? they would vote Trump again and again and again. they will blame the failure of the healthcare bill not on Republicans, who’s fault IT IS, but blame liberals and gays.

      it just the way it is.

      • wide_stance_hubby

        Which is worse? Liberal gheys or ghey liberals? Disqus.

        • Blackest Noobs

          they’re all worse in the conservative mind.

      • dslindc

        Don’t forget the brown people! The messicans are definitely at fault too!

        • Blackest Noobs

          well….some of ’em…cuz a couple of those brownies in Florida voted for fucking Trump too.

          i’m sooooo sure they haven’t regretted that vote as Uncle Fredo is sent back to Mexico or wherever.

    • CripesAmighty

      Haha they’ll blame it on whoever Alex Jones tells them to

    • Three Finger Salute

      The real tragedy is that in the richest country in the world, there are still people who are poor enough to qualify for Medicaid.

  • jesterpunk

    The Washington Post has an article about how Jimmy Kimmel understands the bill better then the republicans who wrote it.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/20/does-jimmy-kimmel-really-understand-the-gop-health-care-bill/?utm_term=.c70fbaf46def

    • deadjello

      People behind the scenes (lobbyists,staff?) are writing it. After watching Lindsey talking to that reporter (somewhere in this thread) it’s obvious that they don’t even know what’s in the goddamn thing. They’re so busy raising money and trying to get on TV they don’t have the time to actually know what they’re voting on. It’s fucking unbelievable!

  • La forza del resistino

    So my blood sugar numbers change when I move from Illinois to Texas?

    • msanthropesmr

      Yes. They go up with the kolaches.

      • La forza del resistino

        You tell me where a good kolache can be had beyond the NW side of Chicago

        • capnkrunch

          Same place you can get a good deep dish outside of Chicago.

          • georgiaburning

            San Jose has a spot

          • Roadstergal

            Which place? I’m a Chicagoan living in the Bay Area and haven’t found this mystical Non-Chicago Good Deep Dish yet.

          • i am from chicago and eat pizza about 3 times a week.

            i hate deep dish.

            there i said it.

          • Roadstergal

            Send it my way, dammit! (Carmen’s in Evanston was my favorite.)

          • i love carmens. their thin rocks. tho it’s hard to find north of hipsterland (logan, lakeview, ete.). i’m up in the wilds of ravenswood and we’re just starting to get some decent places.

        • Cincinnatus
    • Arolpin

      They will the first time you have that abomination they call ‘tea’ in the south.

  • ManchuCandidate

    17k a year makes the bortionplex a popular option.

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Thisthisthisthisthisthisthis

    • tihond

      I’m buying stock in the Orange Julius stand there!

    • Cock Blockula

      I said in another thread that this will make white people breed even less. Not the result they want.

  • Crank Tango

    Yeah but at least there aren’t any Death Panels™

    • jesterpunk

      The death panels that killed Stephen Hawking dead multiple times?

    • wait! what?

      I think, technically, all their panels are death panels now.

  • capnkrunch
  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    Forced birthers now want to financially penalize women for giving birth? Amazeballs. I have other words, but I would be banhammered for sharing them.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Oddly, I am not amazed.

  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

    Oh dear fucking Christ with brain cancer, John McCain, a sick nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    Oh, and Cassidy is still a liar. And so is Graham…

    • cmd resistor

      And if you want to take this as a personal attack, fine: You, Cassidy, are a lying piece of shit.”

  • TundraGrifter

    Then Sen. Graham had to retire to his fainting couch to recover from the sudden attack of The Vapors.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Not to mention the pain of votes being used in unusual ways upon him.

  • Joe Beese

    Don’t listen to these lies! “Doktor” Zoom is not a medical doktor! He doesn’t know anything about health insurance!

    • He knows just enough to be dangerous!

    • Ωbjectifier

      He has a funny hat also, too.

    • armed_bears

      Yeah, but we’re creating a system that will make millions of Americans rely on him, Dr Pepper, Dr. Scholls, and not much else.

      • cmd resistor

        Well, I like Dr. Pepper.

        • Toomush_Inferesistance

          Dr. Pepper, the Placebo of Healing!…..

      • HorseChestnut

        Is Dr Feelgood still practicing?

        • armed_bears

          Duuude, and I totally forgot Dr. Zog’s Sex Wax.

      • Three Finger Salute

        I miss Dr. Kevorkian.

    • JoeChristmas

      He’s a garbage doctor full of liberal talking points!

  • Oblios_Cap

    Damn, Graham is starting to look more and more like his old buddy Joe Lieberman.

  • BigCSouthside

    Graham: “look here. I gotta plan. Let take a whole mess o money from the blue states, and give it to the poor as shit mismanaged red ones we come from”
    Cassidy: “we can’t do that Lindsey. Even our supporters aren’t that dumb”
    Graham: “I reckon’ we can if we put it in a bill that gets rid of the black guy’s health plan and then gives people no healthcare even though we’ll SAY it does”
    Cassidy: “hot damn Lindsey! You’re a genius. Hey mind if I get my name on that there ‘fuck the poor’ bill?”

  • bookish

    She’s got brass

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/351556-melania-trump-condemns-bullying-during-speech-at-un

    First lady Melania Trump spoke at the United Nations on Wednesday, condemning bullying and urging world leaders to teach “moral conscience” by example.

    “We must teach each child that they are at the core of the kindness, mindfulness, integrity and leadership, which can only be taught by our own example. By our own example, we must teach children to be good stewards of the world they inherit,” Melania Trump said, addressing the international body in New York City.

  • Notreelyhelping

    I suspect Lindsay’s no poker player: he appears to be wigging out because he’s going to lose. He’s already lost Paul and he’s likely to lose Collins, given she wouldn’t buy the last couple of suicide pacts. It’d be amusing if he lost due conservative Senators as well, but, fuck it. As long as it dies.

    Serves the bastard right for turning the goddamn thing into Jason: every time you think it’s dead, up it pops, trying to kill you.

    • i hope to god you’re right. if we lose the ACA b/c pence casts the tie vote i’ll slit my wrists.

      while i can still get coverage.

      • Roadstergal

        Slit his wrists instead.

        With votes.

  • Republicans sometimes really make me wish that Hell was real.

    Not the sissy outer darkness weeping and gnashing of teeth Hell, but the “impaled on a spit and slowly roasted alive while a pair of demons violate you” sort of Hell.

  • Arguman

    These people suck

    • cmd resistor

      They seriously suck.

      • Persistent Tennessee Rain

        donkey balls

        • Three Finger Salute

          Nah, if they were made to service Democrats we’d be in a much better situation. They suck Koch, pure and simple.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸
    • TJ Barke

      The faultiest of logic.

      • Roadstergal

        The Republicanist of logic.

    • cmd resistor

      That is appalling, although not really surprising. Jerks.

      • Mpeg

        You’re right. Until now, I’d thought they’d amounted to the same thing.
        Huh. I guess I have something to thank the GOP for: enabling me to tell the difference.

        Never stop surprising us, GOP! But please cut back on the appalling a bit, would ya?

    • jesterpunk

      They campaigned on it for the past 8 years and they threw something together at the last minute just to show they had something after the first few shitty bills failed.

    • ariel_gee_398

      But people are saying they don’t want it. Constituents. I think what he means is “We solicited campaign donations on the basis of doing this, and our DONORS expect us to carry out what we promised.”

      • Three Finger Salute

        What about the local corporate people?

        Won’t someone PLEASE think of the local corporate people?!?!?

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      You assholes break promises every damn day! Why is this one different?

    • Bub, the cynical zombie

      This is a remarkable admission that the Republican Party has completely abrogated its responsibility to act in the best interests of the American electorate, and is instead merely a tool of the big money donors and corporate lobbyists who give them their marching orders.

      I mean, we always knew it – but now they are openly admitting it.

      • TJ Barke

        No, cuz they’s givin us are freedumb back!

        • Bub, the cynical zombie

          Yes indeed – the freedom to die homeless and bankrupt.

          • TJ Barke

            FREEDUMB!

          • Bub, the cynical zombie

            That is a worship word! You will not speak it!

    • SayItWithWookies

      One craven, stupid reason overrides ten good reasons. Well, that explains a lot of Republican legislation since at least January of 2009.

    • Flashman

      As somebody on TV said, 45 of these douchebag Senators would vote for a fire hydrant labelled “Repeal and Replace.” (paraphrasing)

    • counterlife

      That, and the Koch Bros say there won’t be any of their $400,000,000 in R campaign coffers until they get their big old tax break for greedy old bastards. It is all about the Koch whores in the Republican party delivering to their pimps. This has nothing to do with health care for most Americans because most Americans are not rich enough to buy concern from Republicans. Cruel, greedy bastards – all of them.

  • Anna Rompage

    Just when you start to think Miss Lindsey isn’t such an awful senator after all, he goes and puts his name on this piece of shit…

    BTW, Rick Santorum, yes, that frothy fecal covered dick, was actually one of the primary authors of this piece of shit…

    • ariel_gee_398

      Well, that explains why it’s a piece of crap.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        It just flowed from his pen!

    • TJ Barke

      Such a good xtian.

    • SantorumCare just doesn’t have a very clean ring to it.

      Although it sounds fairly accurate as a description if you take away the lube.

    • jesterpunk

      Lindsey still supported Trump after Trump gave out his personal cell phone number at a rally and told his supporters to call him.

    • cmd resistor

      Graham lost any thoughts I ever had that he might not be a complete piece of shit a while ago, and now he has passed the point of no return.

    • yeah i heard that too.

      wanted to fucking gauge someone’s eyes out

  • Randy Riddle

    “Get rid of the requirement that all insurance cover essential health benefits, and not only have you opened the door to employer-based insurance plans deciding they won’t cover, say, mental health or women’s health services, but you’ve also eliminated the ban on annual and lifetime caps for services.”

    Which is what we had before the ACA when I had such a shitty plan from my employer that I was afraid to go to the doctor and actually use it.

  • armed_bears

    OK OK OK OK!!1! For God’s sake: Obamacare originated as a Republican policy. That NONE can now support the ACA tells you everything that is wrong with it: Its name.

    • Obama has said that he’d be fine calling it “Trumpcare” if it meant that tens of millions of people won’t be out on the streets without healthcare.

      That Obama, he is good that way.

    • Three Finger Salute

      Also a Kimmel test that America failed.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    The reporter/politician dynamic that makes me wail and rend my garments is the thing where the reporter says something truthful, then has to stand there and calmly accept the cyclone of bullshit from the politician, and then pretty quickly has to go to the next question as if the asshole had actually provided a satisfactory answer, because if they press them on the point, they’ll be seen as “biased” or “advocating” instead of reporting. It’s enough to make me want to paint myself green and run naked through the streets singing Mother Goose rhymes.

    • OutOfOrbit

      plz give us fair warning

      • Lance Thrustwell

        You’re not ready for my performance art? It’ll change your life.

        • OutOfOrbit

          that is whut i am afraid of

    • AJ Milne

      I’ve always seen it as something of an argument against airing interviews in their whole. Television being especially bad this way. Good haircut, convincing tone, you’re basically letting them have a free campaign commercial/agreeing to broadcast their bullshit unfiltered.

      Go with print, where there’s no such expectation, at least. Reporter can say: Lying Asshole X said (quote) but, for the record, the documents we have say (debunk). Or radio, where you can edit that in. TV and related video streams, with their heavier production/editing demands, they just let them talk _way_ _too_ _much_, especially when under deadline, something coming up under pressure like this.

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Good points!

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      Sometimes you’re the goose, sometimes you’re the gander.

    • therblig

      make sure to use water soluble paint on your wee willie winkie

      • Lance Thrustwell

        Sounds like the voice of experience!

        • therblig

          it would be wrong not to warn others.

    • ariel_gee_398

      Every interview should start with, “Do you feel an obligation to be truthful to your constituents?”

      • OutOfOrbit

        youd never get a yes/no answer, just a fillibuster

        • ariel_gee_398

          Which is fine. That is a simple question, and if you can’t answer that with “yes” maybe eventually people will start to catch on.

          • OutOfOrbit

            not on the goober side of the isle

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      NIMBY!

    • wide_stance_hubby

      This is why all politicians should be interviewed in baseball-activated dunking booths (would require reporters to have actual balls).

      • AJ Milne

        ISWYDT.

  • WomanInThePersistence

    I’m sure we all have this information. But just in case you don’t-
    https://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_correspond_senators.htm

  • wait! what?

    I’m guessing this gets a CBO score of somewhere between a diarrhea fondue fountain and a baby eating it’s own vomit.

    • Randy Riddle

      I’m surprised the GOP hasn’t shut down the CBO yet.

      • VirginiaMorningBlend

        Crap, why did you go and give them the idea??

        • Opalescent Riddles

          They already had it, believe me, many people are saying.

      • Rags

        The Office of Technology Assessment was murdered by the R’s in 1995. So it’s entirely possible.

    • TJ Barke

      Nice, you got an actual lol out of me on that.

      • Mpeg

        It’s got… very specific imagery, that there does~

    • weejee

      More like the vomit eating the babby.

    • cmd resistor

      They aren’t even going to have a whole CBO score if they vote on it next week.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        Pfft….details. Besides, they’ve convinced the rubes the CBO is further to the left than Bernie Sanders.

        • cmd resistor

          So, they are the evil twin of Acorn?

    • Rags

      CBO sez no full score before the vote, especially no count on new uninsured.

      • wait! what?

        That’s just spiffy. If it ever does come out it will make an interesting epitaph.

  • Toomush_Inferesistance

    Grrrrrrrr…..just…….Grrrrrrrrr….

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Fuck that guy. The other one, too.

    • weejee

      Rinse, repeat.

  • Indiepalin

    He has always depended on the kindness of Strange.

  • weejee

    Does my Stage IV stomach cancer count as a preexisting condition? It was a gift from the US Gooberment’s Agent Orange.

    • Persistent Tennessee Rain

      I’m really sorry.

      • weejee

        Thanks, but I’m almost 3½ years out with “no evidence of disease” – my good buddy NED.

        • Old town Urbandale

          Continued NEDness. I’m coming up on three years NED after lung mets from my earlier sarcoma were removed.

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Holy crap. Do you get healthcare thru the VA?

      • weejee

        They are now paying for my pills ($300/dy). Initially, they demurred. After I did some serious Nexus surfing and made it clear I had the resources to take them court, with a good West Point undergrad alum, attorney they said yes. Now doing some work with DAV to provide help to vets who don’t have Nexus as part of their skill set and a good attorney form getting a no answer from VA and then doing the Republican thing and going home to quietly die.

    • ariel_gee_398

      It does, but I hear you’ll get a discount on bootstraps.

    • Oblios_Cap

      Someohow “Thank you for your service” rings rather hollow.

      But we all know how the US takes such good care of its veterans. It always has. They even had Bonus Armies.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      I am so, so sorry, weejee. Is this a recent diagnosis?

      • weejee

        Thanks for that. Over 3 years back (see below) had a couple of hitches in the get along the day after running a 5K in memory of my late daughter-in-law that got me to call the doc.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    As to Kimmel’s assertion that Cassidy had lied about Republicans’ commitment to cover everyone, well, says Cassidy, that’s just a “personal attack.”

    Factual information = personal attack now?

    Oh, right, I forgot–to the wingnuts, that computes perfectly…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/647795bf56de23864801acf7724ecf8eb104cb0384aee6d937bc3602c8de1000.jpg

    • laughingnome

      Facts hurt.

    • clubseal

      Well, that logic is typically coming from the same people who think that opinions are as good as facts, so it’s not terribly surprising.

    • cmd resistor

      Yeah, wingnut bro often responds to reasoned arguments based on facts with that one, basically. Well, we don’t have political discussions anymore. Or, if he doesn’t like something I said even in a non-political argument, he gets all offended and says I am being condescending to poor him. Just the grown up version of him throwing the chess board with all the pieces off the table when he was losing, when we were kids.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Fuck every stupid racist gomer suffering from “economic anxiety” who voted these evil bastards into office. They’re why democracy doesn’t work.

    • TJ Barke

      Strictly speaking, our abysmal media is why democracy don’t work.

    • Saxo the Grammarian

      Graham and Cassidy have your economic anxiety right here, y’all.

    • OutOfOrbit

      like any card game, it (democracy) dozn’t werk when the dealers cheat

    • Werewolf

      And fuck the über-left gomers who voted for Stein or who couldn’t be arsed to vote because “Killary’s just not trustworthy, man!”

      • Villago Delenda Est

        Oh, they get a double dose of the fuck.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    Fun fact about Cassidy-Graham: it would allow insurance companies to add surcharges for pre-existing conditions to their premiums. For example, as much as $140,000 could be added to a cancer patient’s annual premium. Lower surcharges would be added for things like drug dependence, autism, depression, and pregnancy, putting affordable health insurance out of reach for millions of Americans.

    Senator Cassidy himself has been castigated by his own state government (Louisiana) for sponsoring this bill that would throw thousands of Louisianans off Medicaid and cost the state millions of dollars. No one wins if this legislation passes.

    • jesterpunk

      Sweet I will never be able to get insurance again if this bill passes.

      • Crystalclear12

        Your fault. You should have died quicker.

        • jesterpunk

          My fault for having conditions that wouldn’t kill me just make it really painful to eat or drink anything. I had 2 surgeries for diverticulitis in 3 years when I was younger.

          • Crystalclear12

            As Miss Lindsey would say if you hadn’t that first irresponsible surgery just because you wanted to live the problem would’ve taken care of itself.

      • wait! what?

        Since I’ve had heart attacks and cancer, the most optimistic scenario for me would to pay over $350k a year for insurance.

        • Oblios_Cap

          Good thing you can afford lottery tickets, no?

          • wait! what?

            Lol. Yes, the idiot tax is way more affordable.

        • jesterpunk

          Yeah thats what I mean, when they raise the insurance prices to 3 – 4 times what I make in a year there is no way to afford it. But companies will get tax cuts and insurance companies will make more money so there is that.

        • mailman27

          Yeah, but you see you have access to health insurance. Listen for that phrase to be repeated in a non-stop blur for the next ten days. Access. At $350K/yr.

      • me either or mr fuflans either.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      Heller has been upbraided by his own state Government too. But he’s taken the same line as Grassley – “We can’t quit when this is our last best chance to repeal Obamacare.”

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    I’m really pretty fed up with these immoral assholes
    https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/910496756554747906

  • An Outhouse for the résistance

    Someone needs to wash Miss Lindsay’s mouth out with soap. All those lies and uncivilized outbursts! Complete garbage, indeed.

    • Joe Beese

      As Flavor Flav put it: “You watching garbage, nothing but garbage, straight up garbage.”

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Give it to the States? Have you seen some of them?

    • ariel_gee_398

      And they want to outlaw state-based single payer programs. So much for states’ rights.

      • Cornelius Fussbudget

        States rights, states rights…I’m sure I’ve heard that phrase before.

    • Crystalclear12

      Well, Kansas should be interesting.

    • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

      It’ll go down the funnel into whatever the state needs to paper over in the budget. Maybe there’ll be a couple bucks left to buy a bottle of Bayer at CVS.

  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

    Knock, knock. DNC?

    Anybody home?

  • Crystalclear12

    Lindsey Graham arriving in hell:
    Devil: You know when people said there was a special place in hell waiting for you?
    Graham: I was doing God’s work!
    Devil: 2nd door to your left. You have access to water on the other side of that lake of fire.

  • Joe Beese

    They warned us not to elect no black President. But we did it anyway. So we asked for it.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      So it is somebody else’s fault? As an American I cannot blame myself for what I did.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      It’s the orange ones what really fuck shit up, though.

  • laughingnome

    Economically anxious middle americans vote for republicans because white. Repubs make more economically anxious middle americans by taking away their ability to pay for healthcare. The result is more Repub voters.

    • georgiaburning

      Positive feedback ultimately leads to an unstable system. Control theory can be a really nasty.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg

    In 2007 I was about to move to Chicago with my then diabetic girlfriend for an awesome job. In the end it did not go through due to the oncoming crisis and although I regret we did not get that experience I doubt our lives would have been better then our lives are now.

    • armed_bears

      A summary in a few dozen words of how healthcare policy can be a powerful economic driver for good. People build businesses, take risks, or move to new opportunities when they can feel secure in the fundamental needs of life.

      • Resistance Fighter Astraea

        Big employers don’t want employees to have those kind of choices, even if it would be good for the economy overall. They might have to treat them better.

        • armed_bears

          So true. Innovation and risk-taking die in fear.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Yup, You would now have a Phd. psychologist and a historian with 15 years of sales experience at your disposal but they chose to remain in Europe because of the health benefit.

    • Your lives may have turned out a bit “richer”, just not in the way that makes it easier to pay the bills. Most of my friends that have immigrated to the U.S. have told me it sure as hell is a lot different than the movies make it out to be.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Yup, in the end I already lived in the US between 99 and 01 so I was familiar with the experience, she however wasn’t. In the end she fimished her Phd. here in the Netherlands, had a scholarschip at Ofxord and presented valuable info about autism in NYC in 2014.

        Now we are divorced and she works at a human resource company, coming up with ways to screen candidates to fulfill both company needs as well as employers needs and I work at one of the biggest Dutch Insurance companies as a financial advisor.

        Things work out funny like that.

    • Wild Cat

      You’ve lived 11 years with more economic fairness, no war, less racism (to a degree), actual freedom, a slightly more stable social welfare system, less violence, less glorification of nationalism, war, and stupidity.

      You made the right choice and I’d give my left nutsack to be a citizen of your country.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        Well we shared the war. Maybe not so much but more than a 100 of my countrymen died in Afghanistan and Irak.

    • oh man i could have maybe met you!

      at a bar probably.

      • Robbertjan Brandenburg

        probably at a bar yes.

  • SayItWithWookies

    Lindsey goes off on how his bill would end the ban on pre-existing conditions is an absolute like, and then Cassidy helpfully adds, “Any state that applies for a waiver –”

    Yeah, you can stop right there, liar. Because allowing it is allowing it. Now you chickenshits have to wait for the CBO score to come back, and I’m betting you’re hoping that it’s only a partial score so you can vote on it without any actual facts to make you look like a bunch of stinking liars.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      Fuck Lindsey. Fuck Cassidy.

      • Biel_ze_Bubba

        We’re running out of rusty chainsaws.

        • Red Richmond

          We’re getting rainy weather around here at long last, I’ll go plant some outside and they’ll be nice and rusty-ready by tomorrow. I’ll put them in next to the patch where I grow all my fucks, for some reason that one just hasn’t been producing…

    • suziq

      How can the CBO get away with partial scoring? They should have to wait until it is complete.

      • SayItWithWookies

        Apparently it’s the best they can do before the deadline for the Senate to vote — they’re gonna take what they can get and then try to convince the parliamentarian that it’s enough of a score to justify having it go to a vote.

        But yeah, the implicit point of your question is, they should just say they can get it done after the deadline and that’ll be that, and that’s exactly what the CBO should have done.

  • jesterpunk
    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      That reminds me, need more stout. BRB.

  • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

    I’m actually going to watch Jimmy Kimmel tonight.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    Cassidy has a new best friend, Lindsey, who is a pathological liar just like him.

  • Canis Greyhame

    Oh Cassidy, you rascal. Always trying to fool people into using a fork as a hairbrush, or to shove Medicare off a cliff while insisting that you’re there to save it.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b6170d3d9aff0564f15dec3507db9bccd2ab51e35601e999f1d44d7d98d2e83.jpg

  • Mr. Blobfish

    The Confederacy: the gift that keeps giving.

    • WomanInThePersistence

      No kidding. And I know there are many wonderful, beloved and intelligent Wonkers who I adore who live in the South. I’m sure that there are many other decent people who live in those states. And I’m genuinely pleased that slavery ended. I’m such a Libtard, that I want everybody to have access to healthcare.

      But I can’t help wishing that the Southern politicians were gone.

  • snigsy

    What century is this?

    • Cousin Itt un Mondialiste

      You mean, on planet Earth?

    • Three Finger Salute

      In Canada it’s 2017.

      In the U.S. it’s also 2017

      …BCE.

      Fucking metric calendar, how does it work?

      • snigsy

        Multiply by 1,609347.

  • Flashman

    Nice of the libs to politely point out real technical and legal issues with C-G. Republicans could care less. If they want to defeat this thing, though, they would do what Reps do: make up shit and lie their fucking heads off. Like about how C-G would permit involuntary organ harvesting, waivers in favor of child pornography, something about mandatory provision of abortion services. Geeze, do I have to think of everything around here?

    • jesterpunk

      Republicans would be ok with organ harvesting as long as it was from those people.

      • wait! what?

        If that happens, it won’t be long until “Get Out!” is an historically accurate documentary.

        • Old town Urbandale

          I seriously believe that within ten years the U.S. will allow the sale of organs. The rich can game the waiting lists now, but it would be so much easier just pay some sap $10,000 for a kidney.

    • laughingnome

      They just have to tell the truth but in a very down to earth way. Bill Clinton did it so well.

    • georgiaburning

      How about burning of bibles as satanic sacrifice? Make the fuckers deny it.

    • ryp

      Under Graham-Cassidy individual states will now be allowed to fund Sharia Health Clinics and force Medicaid recipients to get abortions, and insurers will be allowed to claim eating fast food and drinking sodas are disqualifying pre-existing conditions. California will spend it’s entire block grant giving free medical treatment to illegal aliens.

      • Roadstergal

        C-G comes with a requirement for every Caucasian family to give a DREAMer a car.

  • Edith Prickly

    Republicans are awful, awful people.

    • jesterpunk

      The sky is blue, water is wet, fire is hot and tides go in and out.

      • ariel_gee_398

        You can’t explain it.

        • Rocky E

          Who knew it was all so complicated? Certainly not my close friend Frederick Douglas.

      • JustDon’tSayPeter

        …and then the murders begin.

      • Edith Prickly

        You can’t explain that!

    • OutOfOrbit

      and getting worse. Who coined “race to the bottom”?

  • TJ Barke

    OT, but this line is fucking hilarious: https://youtu.be/fgHcCbir84U?t=2m10s

    • Thiazin Red

      I did like the first rabbids game, and the crossover doesn’t feel as wrong to me as when Sonic and Mario turn up in the same thing. That review is pretty damn funny though.

      • TJ Barke

        Zero Punctuation is pretty much always good for a laugh, even if he tears apart a game you like, it’s funny.

  • RobKanC

    I, for one, am sure glad Hillary isn’t there to stop any of this awful stuff. I am sure many of them who voted with their conscience are glad as well. The vote to Jill Stein was sure worth it when dying of cancer because of the lack of healthcare.

    • Thiazin Red

      I’m sure a Stein voter would be happy to forward you an email all about the power of apple cider vinegar.

    • Three Finger Salute

      But Jill Stein stopped the wifi vaccines!

    • What? Having your heath coverage threatened doesn’t feel you with a warm sense of smug satisfaction? What is wrong with you?

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Come on over to my new insurance provider Abraham, Solomon, Moses, and David…The Four Prophet Health Center. We only charge a ten percent of your income premium and all you have to do to get better is believe.

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      And if you don’t get better, it is SATAN’s fault.

      • HorseChestnut

        So make sure to vote Republican, to stop Satan’s Plan for America.

    • wait! what?

      Sorry, as I mentioned earlier I’m already paying an idiot tax to my state’s lottery agency…

  • Joe Beese
    • jesterpunk
      • Toomush_Inferesistance

        Can we have a side order of feces with that, or do we have to make our own?…

        • jesterpunk

          Depends if Santorum is around or not.

        • Opalescent Riddles

          Thanks to recent relaxation of burdensome regulatory over-reach, that’s already included.

      • SnarkON

        Jesus Christ; that’s a year’s worth of food for me.

      • wait! what?

        What the frac is that big bowl of red stuff?

        • jesterpunk

          No idea, maybe baked beans?

          • Robert Gibson

            Secret herbs and spices…

        • Opalescent Riddles

          Fake powdered bacon?

        • SeeTrain65

          Yesterday’s garbage.

      • Krombopulous Pichael

        ah yes, the Trump special….

    • ariel_gee_398

      Dry wheat toast and a glass of prune juice?

    • Pilotshark

      well you are getting the REGULAR ORDER, 2 scopes of FUCK_YOU!

      • mailman27

        And a side of go fuck yourself.

    • Wild Cat

      “She’s not available! She has a three-night tour in Florida with a Senor Cruz. Would you care for Rosalita?—her GFE is decent, Mister Senator.”

    • SeeTrain65

      Try Metamucil, Mr. “Maverick.”

  • spangled

    what kind of hellscape country do we live in that we have to beg our elected representatives not to kill us every couple of months?

    STOP ELECTING REPUBLICANS

    • jesterpunk
      • AshleeSCuster

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    • Joe Beese

      Don’t forget: If we beat this now, they’ll start all over again next year.

      • Bebecca

        Maybe our only hope is that it will have to pass the house and Senate and republicans have different factions with completely opposite views on how to best screw normal americans.

    • SnarkON

      North Korea ICBM libel!

    • georgiaburning

      But, scary ‘urban’ people!

    • did you hear bamz today? he said something very similar (get people on the streets every couple of months or something).

    • “Speak for yourself, Neolibtard! I’m a proud supporter of the False Equivalency Party” –a representative of the Faux-gressives Coalition.

  • VirginiaMorningBlend

    Thirty days hath September.
    Only ten days left
    Till they try to kill 30 million people againber.

    • wait! what?

      You should really t-shirt this.

      I’d gofund that.

  • SnarkON

    Call me crazy, but don’t men, many of whom are heterosexual, Christian, white and married, father babies they want to support? Wouldn’t it be hard on a guy to pay an additional $17,000 a year for his baby mama’s prenatal care?

    • Skwerl the Nazi Puncher

      You can’t make a war on women without breaking a few chickens.

      • Nasty Woman Persisted

        Break all the chickens you want, it’s the roosters you must baby.

    • HorseChestnut

      Apparently, it’s worth it if it comes with a tax cut of a couple hundred bucks, and a guarantee that you’re not paying for the medical care of people you think are icky, like single moms and transes. Republican math.

    • Cock Blockula

      This is going to make white people breed even less.

  • Rags

    This thread needs regular infusions of the fact that the main reason for this piece of shit is that Koch and boys are threatening to withold amreos for reelection unless the R’s get this done soonest. Meaning next week. With 90 SECONDS of debate (total!).

  • Hey republicans figured out how to ween the middle clasd off employer insurance! By making utterly useless!

  • wait! what?

    When they start taxing kitten gifs I’m moving to Canada, until then.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b86e1f8b0bc456037315bbaf0b19551424ac26bec9beaefd3d644ef0dded725a.gif

    • Khavrinen

      DON’T GIVE THOSE GOP-FUCKERS ANY IDEAS!!!!

  • Three Finger Salute
  • Scooby

    Wait, so now in America you are born $17,000 in debt?

    • wait! what?

      You don’t get to cut the cord until you pay.

  • Robbertjan Brandenburg
  • Blackest Noobs

    these fucking Republicans need to get fucked….and not in a good way.
    vote these fuckers out of office.

    • bupkus231

      It is getting harder and harder, day-by-day, for me to continue to observe the “Rules for Non-Commenting Radicals”, and restrict my harmful thoughts towards every and all elected or appointed Republicans to votes.

      But, those “harmful thoughts” are there, alright….

      • Blackest Noobs

        ditto. the ones i wanna take out the most with “votes” are the chickenhawks who never served their country.

        you don’t get to talk BIG about WAR if you never went to WAR

  • BadKitty904

    “Ever Had A Baby?”

    No, not that I’m aware of…

  • Blackest Noobs

    no lock them up..VOTE THEM OUT.
    VOTE THEM OUT.

    VOTE THEM OUT.

    • phoenix00

      Order of operations?

    • SeeTrain65

      Vote them out, then lock them up.

  • Opalescent Riddles

    “Where are you getting this garbage? Where are you getting this garbage? That’s complete garbage!”

    YOU, ALL RIGHT? I GOT IT FROM YOU!

    https://youtu.be/Y-Elr5K2Vuo

    • enhancedvibes

      Ohhh you 80s child you! This is a PSA that stood out to me growing up. Though my brother and i make fun of it all the time. Another I remember is “don’t be a dragon lady!”

      • bbayliss

        “This is an egg in a frying pan.”

    • wait! what?

      “Cabin in the Woods” did it best:

      https://youtu.be/lBu1AsRutcI

  • Rebel Scum with permit

    Told AlaskaSpawn to call Lisa Murkowski to oppose this shitty bill or I’d stop paying for HBO. Pulling out the big guns.

  • wait! what?

    He’s the kind of guy who picks “What Does the Fox Say” for karaoke.

    Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
    Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!
    Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!

    Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!
    Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!
    Wa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow!

    Hatee-hatee-hatee-ho!
    Hatee-hatee-hatee-ho!
    Hatee-hatee-hatee-ho!

    https://youtu.be/jofNR_WkoCE

  • also you guys, indivisible has a easy dialing tool to call folks in red state if (like me) you’re in a blue state with human beings as reps.

    https://www.trumpcareten.org/

  • Angela Ruzzo

    I am embarrassed to admit it, but in 1980 I went searching for a cafeteria health plan. The place I worked did not offer health insurance because only 30 people worked there, but they gave us $250 every 3 months to buy our own (this was a lot of money in 1980). I wanted a plan that excluded maternity and pediatrics, because I had no intention whatsoever of ever having children. It was surprisingly difficult to find such a plan, but I finally found one at American Family Insurance. Now I am wondering, how would the Graham-Cassidy bill treat women who are 1) sterile 2) had a tubal ligation 3) had an early hysterectomy 4) have taken a vow of celibacy? Would they be considered “honorary men”? Somehow I doubt it. What if those women want to adopt? What about an LBGTQ individual or couple who want to adopt? Would this be considered a “lifestyle choice” and not covered? So many questions, and only lies for answers.

  • willi0000000

    “a ‘health status related factor’ isn’t the same as a preexisting condition
    – linsey fucking grahm cracker

  • Jonny On Maui

    The exact same health insurance as our elected officials have, at the same cost, that’s what I demand. Nothing less.

    • Lefty Wright

      Members of congress are required to get their health insurance through the ACA marketplace. But they still get the big government subsidy they always had, so even a platinum policy may only cost them a few hundred dollars a month. If they repeal the ACA, repeal any subsidies they get and force them into an individual private policy. Then some of these 58 year old asses in poor health can understand what paying $2,000 a month or more for health insurance is like. Even on their salaries, that will be a pinch. I’m sure that the ones who have had any type of heart surgery will really appreciate the rider that used to be attached to the policy that denies any coverage for any cardiovascular conditions. But still charges you $2,500 a month.

  • bookish

    Scotty Chris Knight @scottycknight
    Replying to @JamesIsaak2 and 3 others
    The orange monkey man would sign a bill convicting Jesus of kindness if it meant he’d get a victory

    • phoenix00

      Guess which man he’s already convicted?

  • Lefty Wright

    This will not be over until we get at least one house of congress back in Democratic control. That can happen in 2018 if we all pull together and not repeat the wedges driven in the party by a small left fringe, years of attacks by the GOP, subversion by the FBI/Comey, and Russian assistance. If we do not win at least one side of congress, the GOP will take that even more as approval of their repeal plans and redouble their efforts through 2020.

    Do not count on any September 30, 2017 deadline. They can either tack it onto another bill if they can get a FY 2018 budget passed, or simply drop the 60 vote filibuster rule for the senate. Then, in 2020, vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination for president. Some people did not learn from the Nader deal, and there is still a lot of denial from the Bernie or Bust faction in affecting the 2016 election. Do not waste your vote in 2020. In a tight race, voting for someone who may at best get 5% of the vote does not send any message other than you are a fool.

    • redblack

      agreed. but i don’t think that the ability to raise campaign funds that primarily line the pockets of big media and big PR should be the ultimate criteria for whoever eventually becomes the democratic nominee.

      in other words, just because we can use citizens united to outspend republicans at any cost doesn’t mean that we should.

      before you say it, i’m not eschewing all corporate campaign contributions. i know that wall street players aren’t all complete assholes. but jesus fucking christ, can we impose some fair and sensible limits in campaign spending? give smaller players more “speech?” can we at least pretend to not be unabashedly pay-for-play and craven?

      news flash: it ain’t just BOB’s who want a little more altruism in the democratic party.

      • CafeenMan

        I’d like to see just a set amount of federal funding for national campaigns and no other money can be used. If nothing else it will show who can budget and who can’t.

        There will be no personal/corporate/other donations to any campaign.

        Not sure how it would work – this isn’t my forte but I think that anyone who wanted it could get a small amount to get started.

        Getting started means a petition drive to see if you can continue your campaign. For example you need a certain number of signatures in each stated determined by number of Congressional districts.

        So let’s say the number is 5K per. If the state has 10 districts you’d need 50k signatures from that state.

        Once you meet that threshold then you get more money to actually start campaigning.

        During all this time you have to provide details expense reports accurate to the penny.

        Dole out the payments monthly. When the primaries are over the remaining candidates get more money.

        If there are unused funds then it’s returned to the feds. Of course there will never be unused funds.

        Spending more than allotted is a crime and kicks you out of the race. You then have to pay back every penny you were given.

        Doesn’t seem like it would be that difficult to administrate and candidates wouldn’t win just because they had a shit-ton more money than their opponent.

  • bookish

    Bloomberg: “Tell us another one.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-09-20/republicans-peddle-nonsense-to-sell-health-care-plan

    Congressional Republicans are rushing to overhaul the U.S. health-care system by passing a bill that is based on dishonest claims, avoids the usual professional analysis, and makes a mockery of serious legislative process.

    The Senate is scheduled to vote next week on a proposal by Senators Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Bill Cassidy of Louisiana to repeal and replace much of the Affordable Care Act passed by a Democratic Congress in 2009. Earlier Republican efforts failed, but this time, using more than a little sleight of hand, party leaders and the White House think they may pull it off.

  • John Norris

    I do not remember where I read this, so I cannot tell you who said it: If
    America’s health care system is so good, why isn’t everyone using it? (poor paraphrase)

    • Gaz Netherlands

      OT: Are you Dutch? Otherwise, where did you find this picture of a brave young Dutch boy?

      • John Norris

        Don’t remember. He’s at a futball match offering his opinion of a referee’s decision using one finger on his right hand.

  • redblack

    okay, so no one may ever accuse me of being “intelligent” or “brilliant.” so be it.

    i’m looking for exemplary numbers on block grants, and after casual googling, i’m coming up empty-handed.

    for the government wonks out there: are the grants proportional to recipient states’ tax contributions? i.e. CA, NY, IL, FL, and TX get larger grants because they provide greater federal tax revenue?

    i seem to remember something like that from high school government class.

    then again, i’ve gleefully murdered zillions of brain cells.

  • bookish

    Steve Benen at The Maddow Blog. Republicans don’t know and don’t care about the details of their ACA repeal.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/health-care-the-gop-literally-doesnt-know-what-its-doing

    • SeeTrain65

      Republicans don’t know and don’t care about the details of their ACA repeal.

      So, SOP for the GOP.

  • bookish

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/20/politics/new-laws-graham-cassidy-compare/

    Washington (CNN)If Republicans are able to cobble together the votes for the Graham-Cassidy health care plan and pass it before September 30, it would be one speedy legislative sprint. But just how speedy?

    Only 4% of bills signed into law over the last four decades have taken 10 days or fewer from introduction to becoming a law on the books, according to a CNN analysis of almost 12,000 laws passed since 1977, when this data became available.
    The Senate has until only September 30 to pass a health care reform plan under rules that bypass the 60-vote threshold and allow the chamber to pass a bill with only 51 votes.

  • bookish

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2017/09/20/chuck-grassley-regardless-substance-republicans-must-support-health-bill/685674001/

    Despite many evident shortcomings in a bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act health care law, Republicans have a responsibility to pass it, U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley said Wednesday.

    In a conference call with Iowa reporters, Grassley expressed support for the Graham-Cassidy health care reform proposal currently before the Senate, arguing that the GOP has pledged to repeal the law known as Obamacare and must seize any opportunity to do so.

    “You know, I could maybe give you 10 reasons why this bill shouldn’t be considered,” Grassley said. “But Republicans campaigned on this so often that you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign. That’s pretty much as much of a reason as the substance of the bill.”

    • Weird Fishes

      Which of course, is just about the shittiest reason of all.

    • SeeTrain65

      “This bill is terrible. I’m for it.” – Standard GOP thinking.

  • bookish

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/20/16341442/cassidy-health-plan-misleading-numbers

    We now have three separate analyses of how the Obamacare repeal bill offered by Sens. Bill Cassidy and Lindsey Graham would affect states.

    Two of them — one from a left-leaning think tank, another from a health research firm — tell a very similar story of significant budget cuts for the states that have successfully implemented the Affordable Care Act.

    The third, from Sen. Cassidy’s office, tells a very different story — one in which every state gets a funding boost within a bill that, at the topline, includes a very significant spending cut.

  • Gigglesnort

    Trump on Twitter: “I would not sign Graham-Cassidy if it did not include coverage of pre-existing conditions. It does! A great Bill. Repeal & Replace.”

    I can’t even. There is nothing “great” about this bill. And like Graham, Trump has decided pre-existing conditions are covered, and that is the lie he is sticking to.

  • Pinball or Submission

    Shit, he IS black. They’ve got me there.

    • Relativicus

      Remember back in the pre-2008 campaign when all of FOX was twisting themselves in knots to explain how Obama wasn’t reeeeeally all that black? It was as if they thought his support would fall off if he was just part-minority. Good times…

      https://youtu.be/yGIgnscRz6Q

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