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Pity the poor NRA! They dumped $30 million into Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, and what do they have to show for it? Since The Black Guy left office, gun sales are down 10%! At this rate, they’ll be lucky to take in $14 billion this year. Sad!

But dry your tears, Gunhumpers! South Carolina Congressman Jeff Duncan (R-Wayne LaPierre’s Buttthole) is here to save your Real American soul. Yesterday the Natural Resources Committee held hearings on the Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act (SHARE). In addition to opening up federal lands for target practice and allowing hunters to import the skins of polar bears killed in Canada finally, Representative Duncan is sticking up for the right of the little guy to own a gun silencer. Because when you’re killing an animal you have no intention of eating culling the herd on federal land, ear protection is just such a hassle.

What kind of wuss wears ear protection, right?

Right now, you have to undergo a background check, submit photo and fingerprint ID, and pay a transfer tax of $200 if you want to buy a gun silencer. Plus, the government keeps a record of your totally necessary sporting goods purchase. The Constitution doesn’t even mention silencers! So how even can they stop you from buying them? Here’s your sign!

This vicious assault on the Second Amendment will not stand! So Rep. Duncan will get rid of all that unnecessary red tape and force the government to destroy those intrusive records after they refund the money to anyone who paid the $200 since 2015. He axed the provision requiring the ATF to make it up to them with a free round of ammo and a hummer, so you know Duncan’s a reasonable guy. He just wants all the pretty white girls in rural America to be able to shoot guns in the yard without those ugly earmuffs.

Also, too, when you’re being carjacked by a gang of masked thugs, it’s vital to be able to shoot them without causing a loud bang.

This vital bill was postponed in June after Congressman Steve Scalise and two Capitol Hill police officers were shot during Congressional baseball practice. If the lunatic shooter had used a gun silencer, many more people could have been injured or killed. But as we all know, guns don’t kill people — radical sharia antifa Obummer liberals kill people! Besides, any sporting equipment can be dangerous if used incorrectly. Why, you could stab someone to death with a tent peg! And they’re not making Girl Scouts get a license to camp now, are they? Anyway, with a little prodding from the NRA, this bill is back on track.

Strangely enough, cops don’t love this law. The Law Enforcement Coalition is not down with deregulating a hunk of metal that makes it easier to get away with shooting people, particularly police officers.

[Congress] needs to reject irresponsible calls to mandate the unrestricted concealed carry of firearms and allow free access to dangerous silencers, which present a new menacing threat to our communities and law enforcement professionals.

But maybe the Law Enforcement Coalition should have thought about that when they were writing campaign donations! If those cops don’t want to get shot by a criminal with a silencer, they need to do their homework like the NRA. Per The Trace,

In the first two quarters of of 2017, the National Rifle Association has already spent more on lobbying than it did in all of last year.

The gun group has spent $3.2 million from January 1 to June 30 trying to advance its policy agenda, according to an analysis of data provided by Open Secrets, a campaign finance and lobbying watchdog. In 2016, the group spent $3.18 million pleading its case to legislators and federal agencies.

If you fail to plan, you plan to fail! And the NRA does not plan to fail, which is why it gives to Jeff Duncan every single election cycle. This here is what a patriot looks like.

Congressman Jeff Duncan

Or possibly this is a whore who gives no shits about people getting shot as long as he keeps getting paid by the gun manufacturers. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And Jeff Duncan, who already tried to get this shit through in January in a bill called The Hearing Protection Act, is the prettiest girl at the Gun Nut Prom.

At any rate, Duncan’s reacharound for the NRA will die in the Senate. If moderate Republicans don’t kill it, then the Democratic filibuster will. But fuckyouverymuch all the same, Jeff Duncan. And may you get what you deserve. WITH VOTES.

[The Nation / Politico / SHARE Act H.R.3668 / WaPo / Open Secrets / The Trace]

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  • therblig

    the ammosexuals get all in a lather when you call them “silencers” instead of “suppressors”. double barreled snowflakes.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    the Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act (SHARE).

    Yeah, because nothing kills the joy of the hunt like the deer hearing the bullet and jumping to the side to avoid it.

  • Bobathonic

    Finally, someone listened to E Fudd.

    • Parakeetist

      Kill the wabbit

      • proudgrampa

        Siwentwy.

      • Nockular cavity

        Speaw and magic siwenceuhhh!

    • Msgr_MΩment

      E. Fudd (W. Wabbitviwwe)

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Funny thing about cops voting Republican, huh?

    • BlissfulScribbler

      Cops aren’t known for being intelligent or responsible. People with those traits don’t get hired to police departments.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Another funny thing about sportsmen and sportswomen voting for Republicans who are going to decimate their hunting and fishing grounds.

    • BigCSouthside

      Fuckin A. I’m pretty heavily embedded in that community and have no clue how people who love to fish and hunt vote for people who would light the world on fire for a couple bucks

    • commatoes

      I read somewhere that campers et al. spend more on and in the outdoors than the NRA’s “sportsmen and sportswomen”. Like the solar industry vs. the coal industry, the environmentally “greener” industry provide greater economic benefit.

  • proudgrampa

    *sighs*

    I got nothin’.

    • Stulexington

      IKR, just silence.

  • TJ Barke

    For when you need to propel a metal slug at high velocity into… something… quietly.

  • jesterpunk

    In addition to opening up federal lands for target practice

    Will they make them clean up their mess?

    http://www.ewg.org/research/lead-pollution-outdoor-firing-ranges-poisonous-pastime#.Wbk5lNuZPGI

    Choked by stagnant markets and growing social disapproval, the gun industry has made increasing the number of shooting ranges the keystone of its survival strategy. Introducing kids to guns is a key element of the industry plan.

    But lead doesn’t mix with children and the environment. Lead is one of the most deadly toxins on the planet. Poisonous Pastime documents in detail the ways in which the shooting range industry is poisoning children and heavily polluting the environment with lead and other toxins:

    Most ammunition used at ranges is made of lead….between 400 and 600 tons of lead are used each day to make bullets and “a high proportion of it is left to clutter up shooting ranges.” It is no wonder,then, that numerous studies—since at least the 1970s—have documented that outdoor shooting ranges are major sources of lead pollution in the environment, and that indoor shooting ranges are significant sources of lead poisoning among people who use them.

  • ArgieBargie

    Of course the NRA wants gun silencers. Most assassins do.

  • arglebargle
    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Imagine the world these sorry excuses for humans grew up in. They’re like a walking advertisement for mandatory public schooling, a 90% tax rate, and high inheritance tax. also gelding.

  • ManchuCandidate

    I remember when I was a kid and my dad would take me hunting. He told me “Be eery wery quiet. Weer hwunting dweer.” and then hand me a silencer to put on my M16/M203 over under rifle grenade launcher and demanded that as soon as I saw Bambi to light him up. If I missed then he told me to unass the area because he called in an air strike to blow the area up and kill the dweer.

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  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Well, it will cut down on the immediate panic that sets in when some nut case starts shooting up a school, or a shopping mall, or a theater, or a church, or a bar, or a……….

  • btwbfdimho

    What about guy silencers instead, to keep Alex Jones, Limbaugh and Trump silent?

  • wide_stance_hubby

    The fuck do these people need to hear for, since they don’t listen anyway?

    • BlissfulScribbler

      Their days wouldn’t feel complete without being able to hear four hours of Alex Jones screaming about false flags and selling testosterone supplements.

  • TheGrandWazoo2

    Silent but deadly. It’s not just for farts anymore.

  • Oneofthebobs

    If only we could put a silencer on the NRA.

  • Blackest Noobs

    so these gun_perts do know that silencers throw off your aim.
    so people who were already pretty bad shots are even worse shots with silencers.

    it’s a fucking dumb leap of logic to think…hey a weapon used for mostly by assassins and covert ops is exactly the thing that should substitute these intrusive ear-protection.

    jesus.

    my shooting is just fine. hell…i get a tight grouping in my left hand. AND I AM NOT LEFT-HANDED. i wear ear-protection.

    silencers are for assholes. and people pushing for it…given ALL THE OTHER FUCKING ISSUES WE GOT…can go fuck themselves…you GOT BIGGER FISH TO FRY, ASSSHOLE!

    • armatus rebellio

      If a silencer throws off your aim, you’re doing it wrong.

    • Courser_Resistance

      The even stupid-er thing is that every regular shooter I know has bought custom-molded in-ear protection for a couple hundred bucks. They don’t use bulky ear-muffs, anyway. I don’t shoot very often so I use the ear muffs. And really? You’ll wear fucking headphones for 20 hours a day but not hearing protectors??? You’re a dumbass cuz they’re essentially the same thing.

  • BigCSouthside

    I like guns (the sporting kind) and I think it’s pretty ridiculous for civilians to own ARs. There’s no civilian need for one.

    Suppressors are DEFINITELY not needed by civilians. There’s no practical argument for them. Honestly, don’t even know why you’d want one. They are expensive and cumbersome as hell

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Extreme penile deficiency?

    • Bobo the Dork Boy

      Because their dicks are tiny?

    • commatoes
    • Courser_Resistance

      Same here. I have a couple of handguns. Completely un-enhanced they’re just fine. I’ve thought of getting an AR or AK but they’re hella-expensive and are kinda like boats in that you can sink thousands into accessories and modifications for it.

      Also too I live in an apartment in the city. It would be the most idiotic choice of a defense weapon. If I feel I need something bigger, I’ll get a tactical shotgun. Much cheaper and more practical for personal protection.

  • wide_stance_hubby

    Why are these GD cuckwads ashamed of gunshot sounds? Pussies, all.

  • Msgr_MΩment
    • lowenufc

      Why do they insist on bringing up the horror that was the Slurpee Massacre?

  • ariel_gee_398

    I think the SHARE Act could use some rebranding. I suggest just calling it SHAREA.

    • I’m thinking they started with “Improvement” rather than “Enhancement” but somebody caught it in time.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    Hunter pet peeve: pick up yer goddam shotgun shells. Who do you think is gonna clean them up?
    Fisher pet peeve: pick up yer goddam nightcrawler containers. Who do you think is gonna clean them up?

  • Zonath

    “The Hearing Protection Act” being about making silencers easier to buy sell (let’s be honest here about who the NRA really works for) seems like a strong contender for the Most Cynically Named Bill of 2017.

    • Courser_Resistance

      Also too, it’s pretty easy to make one. It’s not actually rocket science. Tons of online articles on GunHumper websites to take you through it step by step.

  • Silencers are nice, but I’m just not going to feel totally secure unless I have an ICBM with a nuclear warhead attached. What about my 2nd amendment rights, huh?

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Dammit, where’s my goldurn siege cannon?

      • I’ve got it installed on my battleship stationed off the coast.

    • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

      …with a silencer?

      • Kiri the Unicorn

        A quiet nuke. I’ll take six.

    • armatus rebellio

      ICMBs also cover by the 2A. If you can afford it, of course. The fissile material within is highly controlled as it’s mere presence can kill by proximity. Siege cannons were also considered ‘arms’ when the 2A was ratified. You can, today, own mortars, explosives, rocker launchers, etc. all regulated the same as silencers. You pay your $200, pass your background check, and you’re in the club. All of these things are legal and all it takes is $200, no record, and time.

      Also note that an effective silencer can be made for $30 from two parts at a home improvement store. This is illegal. But so are felons with guns. If felons wanted to use suppressors, they would. The fact is they’re not worth the effort for them.

  • rocktonsam

    ” we need positive silencer legislation in merkkkia, body counts low, gun sales down and the black guy crippled the gun industry.” Make merikkka kill better again!
    – nra spokesman probably.

  • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

    When do we get to the part where they make incendiary ammunition legal?

    • shivaskeeper

      API or GTFO.

      • Spotts1701, Nothingburger Chef

        “Look, this way I can shoot the deer and cook the meat at the same time! Real time saver!”

        • Courser_Resistance

          That’s just a big ‘Ew!’ Do Not Want

        • shivaskeeper

          For those that don’t know API=Armor Piercing Incendiary.

    • armatus rebellio

      Already is.

  • Southpaw018

    Hi. Liberal gun owner reporting in.

    First, a bit of background on me: I own several guns, all for target shooting. I have never and will never carry. I wouldn’t even use any of the weapons I own in defense, say, if someone broke in to my apartment. I have no interest other than shooting very small pieces of paper very far away. I have never and will never own an AR-15 variant. I believe we should ban assault rifles and any magazine over 15 rounds, and I support compulsory buyback of military weapons currently in civilian hands. In fact, I’d go further than most: I would ban civilian possession of any gas-operated action.

    Now, to the post at hand. Much like global warming is, by and large, called human-caused climate change now because that more accurately describes what’s happening, silencers are called suppressors now because that more accurately describes what they do.

    .22LR is the most widely used caliber out there. It’s tiny, compared to pretty much all others. It’s cheap because it’s tiny. That doesn’t mean it isn’t deadly.

    I own a .22LR suppressor. I did everything by the book to get it, and I have the paperwork and tax stamp in my range bag. Using a decibel meter I bought on Amazon, it reduces the noise from my pistol from approx. 140dB to approx. 119dB. That’s the difference between immediate hearing damage — 150dB can cause eardrum rupture — to painfully loud but not damaging noise. Google says 120dB is roughly equivalent to a standing next to a chainsaw or a jackhammer. It’s *loud*.

    And that extraordinarily loud sound is the *silenced* version of my tiny pistol.

    I’m happy to answer any questions about this.

  • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

    If I’m gonna die by a gun in the hands of some raving lunatic NRA fan, I at least want to hear it coming, for fuck’s sake.

    • armatus rebellio

      Funny thing about that. You won’t. Silencer or not.

      • Courser_Resistance

        I was going to say the same thing. The bullet with hit you before you hear the shot.

      • Cogswell – In a Mirror, Darkly

        That may be true on a killshot, but what if it’s just like a gutshot that you just lie there and bleed to death on while conscious?

        Just askin’

        • armatus rebellio

          Well, if the sound comforts you in your time of need…
          85% of people shot survive so you might not even suffer too long.

        • Beanz&Berryz

          But if they miss on the first shot you’ll also too get to hear the little sonic boom (pop) as the bullet goes by, I think… But the one that gets you you don’t hear coming… There was a movie about that . Set in WWI I think.

  • I vaguely recall some science fiction story in which someone had what was called something like a “Captain’s Sidearm.” It was a powerful pistol, but more importantly it was fucking loud. The idea was that if a ship’s Captain had to fire his sidearm, it was to deter a mutiny or an invasion or something, and there was benefit in having a fucking godawful intimidating weapon that encouraged everyone in the area to dive for cover.

    The same principle applies, if one were carrying for self-defense. Of course, they’re lying in their “justification” as it’s really about marketing and sales.

    • Stulexington

      I’m reminded of the Simpsons episode where Homer bought a gun, complete with silencer and loudener.

    • Good_Gawd_Yall

      It’s about not having to register with the government. They’re all convinced, every single one of them, that having to have their name on a piece of paper will make it easier for the jackbooted thugs to come take away all their freedumbs (where “freedumbs” = “firearms”). It’s really that simple.

  • Alexander Stallwitz

    Whats ironic is the same people are supporters of this will turn around and brag about how they support the police and that #bluelivesmatter. I would love to heard the logical flipflop that supports the cops while at the same time wants as many people armed as possible with little to no restrictions on what they can carry. Its no surpise the people who are more likely to get shot at arent happy about this bill.

    • Red Bird

      That won’t stop them from killing unarmed black people.

    • aureolaborealis

      Blue Lives Matter, but only in response to Black Lives Matter. Not when actual police have actual ideas about their safety that run counter to gun-humping ideology.

      • Alexander Stallwitz

        Exactly, the Ammosexuals are not as gungho about supporting the police when they want to enforce the Law on them

        • BlissfulScribbler

          How often does that happen though? Most of the cops I’ve met are just as loony about relaxing gun laws as the wingnuts who are all over Facebook typing in all-caps and screaming about Ruby Ridge 25 years later. Blue-Lives and ammosexuality are both just limbs of white supremacy.

          • Alexander Stallwitz

            It depends on where you are, I guess. The urban cops are more pro gun control, i would think

  • Directly relevant, I suspect, is that gun manufacturer Sig Sauer came up with some new integral muzzle break/suppressor or something, and the ATF ruled it a silencer, inhibiting sales. If the laws are loosened, sales are enabled.

    http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20141008/NEWS/141009232

    • Stulexington

      You mean building it in doesn’t circumvent the law? Whoda thunk it?

    • Courser_Resistance

      Meh, I happen to own a Sig handgun and they can suck it.

  • If the US of A ever starts actually voting with guns we’re gonna have to make some changes around here.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e705c768bb9d72b86ef7cf5c996e665174a805cbf76823c6f5fe4cdfdfadaab.jpg

    • Stulexington

      Guns don’t kill people, they just vote for laws that kill people.

      • SeeTrain65

        “Guns Don’t Kill People. People Kill People. But Mostly With Guns.”

        • Stulexington

          Guns don’t kill people, it’s the bullets.

          • SeeTrain65

            Almost an old Jake Johannsen joke.

            “Guns don’t kill people. … It’s those darn bullets. … But the guns make them go real fast.”

    • Beanz&Berryz

      I think those changes are already underway…

  • Ghenghis McCann

    They frequently point out that Britain, with some of the strictest gun laws in the world, has no restrictions on silencers for many types of firearms.

    When the NRA are using British gun laws to back up their argument you know there’s something very wrong going on.

    • Stulexington

      That’s because they don’t need extra laws about putting silencers on guns because if you are trustworthy enough to own a gun you’re trustworthy enough to own a silencer.. The length of the belt you use on your belt fed assault rifle isn’t regulated in the US either, because if you can actually get one you’d qualify to get a longer belt anyway.

      • BigCSouthside

        Plus, Brit laws to get any gun are pretty in depth.

  • NerdWithNoName

    Serious question: How do silencers work and how effective are they? I have always assumed that what you saw in movies was not really available in real life. I am not a gun guy despite the avatar.

    • anon_the_great

      Dude. 10 seconds of googling will make you a damned near expurt

    • BigCSouthside

      Basically baffles sound. You can get a simulate effect by taping a two liter bottle to the muzzle.

      That pew pew sound in the movies is bullshit.

      • Oh, sure, next you’ll be saying that swinging swords through the air doesn’t make a metal on metal sound, or that throwing punches doesn’t make a swishing noise.

        • And you can make your tires squeal and smoke on a dirt road and grass.

        • Bezoar

          Okay, that was funny.

      • NerdWithNoName

        But if you try to stick up a liquor store with a soda bottle taped to your gun won’t the guy just laugh at you?

        • armatus rebellio

          If someone who thinks it’s just as easy to kill you, than work around you, were pointing a gun at you, would you laugh?

    • Stulexington

      Mythbusters did a piece on them, iirc they quiet it down by a lot. There’s also some episodes of Sons of Guns that talk about them.

    • toughsister

      YouTube has several videos that show that a silencer (actually, sound suppressor) REDUCES the noise from a shot from 180 DB to about 140 DB. 140 DB is the level of noise a jackhammer makes. The muffled “thud” you get in James Bond movies is pure cinema and has nothing to do with reality. Moreover, sound suppressors work only on semi-automatic pistols. Putting one on a revolver has exactly zero effect, because of the way gases exit the chamber.

    • Southpaw018

      Well, I typed up a whole thing, but Disqus removed it as spam. 🙄 Original comment follows:

      Hi. Liberal gun owner reporting in.

      First, a bit of background on me: I own several guns, all for target shooting. I have never and will never carry. I wouldn’t even use any of the weapons I own in defense, say, if someone broke in to my apartment. I have no interest other than shooting very small pieces of paper very far away. I have never and will never own an AR-15 variant. I believe we should ban assault rifles and any magazine over 15 rounds, and I support compulsory buyback of military weapons currently in civilian hands. In fact, I’d go further than most: I would ban civilian possession of any gas-operated action.

      Now, to the post at hand. Much like global warming is, by and large, called human-caused climate change now because that more accurately describes what’s happening, silencers are called suppressors now because that more accurately describes what they do.

      .22LR is the most widely used caliber out there. It’s tiny, compared to pretty much all others. It’s cheap because it’s tiny. That doesn’t mean it isn’t deadly.

      I own a .22LR suppressor. I did everything by the book to get it, and I have the paperwork and tax stamp in my range bag. Using a decibel meter I bought on Amazon, it reduces the noise from my pistol from approx. 140dB to approx. 119dB. That’s the difference between immediate hearing damage — 150dB can cause eardrum rupture — to painfully loud but not immediately damaging noise. Google says 120dB is roughly equivalent to standing next to a chainsaw or a jackhammer. It’s *loud*.

      And that extraordinarily loud sound is the “silenced” version of my tiny pistol.

      We must continue to fight for gun control. It unquestionably saves lives. However, we must do so with a factual approach. There are several comments here describing suppressors as they appear in movies: whisper quiet. That is simply not the case, and arguing as if it is can neuter other gun control arguments.

      I’m happy to answer any questions about this.

  • In the movies pillows make excellent silencers.

    Maybe they should get Pillow Makers International to pay up, too.

  • You know what’s really tricky to silence is the 88 magnum.

    • Raan

      It’ll go through anything except, apparently, a cigarette case full of gum.

    • BrianW

      It shoots through schools!

      Hey don’t get mad at me, it’s a quote from the movie.

  • theblackdog

    Waiting for the rewrite where they say that cops should carry silencers as well to level the playing field.

    • Cops’ equivalent to silencers is the off switch on the bodycam.

    • Me not sure

      So,… mufflers on Harleys is a bad idea because you need to hear them as a safety measure, so as to know that they are around, but guns can be as quiet as a mouse, because “who ever killed anybody with a gun, for God’s sake?”

      • commatoes

        See NRA spokesdrone in the Wonkette article on the use of weapon to describe guns.

        • Me not sure

          So if weapon is a synonym for arms, then the right to bear arms doesn’t include guns?

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Mufflers on motorcycles…that is on my list of laws I will pass when I become Benevolent Dictator of the Universe. I dream about it.

      • theblackdog

        Sounds about right for their thinking. Of course Harley is now at that stage where they need to innovate or die because many of the younger generation think that they are crap bikes.

        • Me not sure

          They were in the same place back in the sventies when it looked like the Japanese bikes were going to kill them and the company changed hands several times. Maybe they can do it again.

        • Yellerduck

          The V-Rod, however is a fine, water-cooled, metric power cruiser. Which means it is equally reviled by Harley critics, who refuse to pay the brand surcharge, and traditional air-cooled Harley fans.

  • Me not sure

    That fat head would be hard to get hearing protection around, so I kinda see his point. On the other hand, his colleague Trey Gowdy would have no trouble at all. I’m torn.

    • Yellerduck

      Trey could stick a Q-tip in one side and get both ears at the same time.

  • FauxAntocles

    I still think Russia is behind the NRA – who else would work so hard to destroy our country?

    • JohnBull

      Nah, if the Russians were really running things we’d have much better public transportation.

    • armatus rebellio

      Liberals.

  • Kiri the Unicorn

    “And may you get what you deserve. WITH VOTES.”

    Silent votes, of course.

  • Raan

    You know what you use if you’re a hunter and you don’t want to make a lot of noise?

    A bow.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      Amen. My father and brother hunted deer with a bow. They said it was more of an equal fight.

      • Steely_Fan

        Well, no disrespect to your family members intended, but to be fair, it would only be an equal fight if the deer also had bows & arrows and could somehow be able to manipulate them with their hooves.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          They didn’t say it was a “fair fight” – just that it was “more of a fair fight.” Deer apparently don’t have very good eyesight, but they have superior hearing and move faster. Using a bow requires very good eyesight and a lot of practice and considerable upper body strength. In 10 years my father only got one deer using a bow, and my brother got 2. We ate them, BTW, they weren’t trophies. I know for a fact that I couldn’t have done this…I see a deer and I have zero urge to kill it, although they are very tasty.

        • HorseChestnut
          • Steely_Fan

            So perfect! All the upfists!

    • A knife. Leap out of a tree with a knife.

  • JohnBull

    For once I’d love to see Republicans care a fraction as much about education as they do about shooting things. But then, if their kids studied they couldn’t blame teachers anymore for crappy test scores.

  • Wuulf

    Aww, give them a break. It’s just a length extending accessory.

    • Jon Sussex

      Yeah, they don’t like fellating their short barrels.

  • Resistance Ftr PuckStopsHere

    So, did anybody see 9 people got shot dead (including the estranged wife) by an estranged husband at a “Let’s Watch the Cowboys Game” barbecue in Plano, TX on Sun night? Did you catch this little item on the news? I heard about it but I didn’t see it on the news. Time was in this country when 9 people (well, 8 plus the killer) got shot to death at a house it would lead the news and it would lead for days. Now its, “Meh, whatever”. I guess the word I am looking for is “inured”. We have become injured to gun violence. We don’t know what to do and so we turn away. Besides which, it is, as it always is, too soon after the tragedy to talk about gun control.

    • commatoes

      Disturbingly mass shootings are no longer news worthy. Take a look at this depressing mass shooting map for 2017 alone.

    • weejee

      And mass shootings are heavy to domestic violence, where the NRA insists folks under restraining orders still need their gunz.

    • A comment I saw was that there’s more outrage that Hillary Clinton released a book than there is about someone killing eight people because a woman said no.

    • WeaselPoo

      “We” aren’t necessarily inured, it’s just that the MSM is quite fucked up about what it covers and why.

      • Resistance Ftr PuckStopsHere

        Yeah, good point.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      I don’t watch TV news, but I did see this reported on many online news sites.

    • Steely_Fan

      Charlie Pierce made the same point in his inimitable way:
      http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a12229806/texas-mass-shooting-9-dead/

    • aureolaborealis

      Hey, hey, hey. HEY.

      Have some respect. It’s too soon to politicize this tragedy by discussing ways we could have avoided it. And by the time it isn’t too soon anymore, it will too soon before the next mass shooting (if it hasn’t already happened), and we will need to be pre-emptively sensitive to the gun-humping snowflakes’ fee-fees, ideally by never, ever, ever discussing the problem. Is that so hard to understand?

      • Resistance Ftr PuckStopsHere

        Point taken. Sorry.

  • Jgb979

    Legitimately do not understand how more right wing types didn’t support Hillary looking at the bigger picture.

    Your party only exists in support of backlash to social progress. Millions of deeply stupid dummies bought the idea that the second amendment was going to be repealed because of BLACK PRESIDENT.

    What better to follow that up than deeply hated WOMAN PRESIDENT? Now all of your scary enemies are no longer in power there’s no need for morons to protect themselves from a federal government that subsidizes their oxy bills every month.

  • weejee

    May all their gunz have open breaches and their rounds supersonic so their silencers are a freaking waste of time.

    / May their NRA breeches be over-stuffed with poo, also, too.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9451c959fa506523e4c119adc3d708516143c09e8511c0e20ba72548d95e6e42.jpg

  • Bezoar

    Hell, we should require a license before allowing people to use smokeless powder.

  • A personal side note:

    I live a couple of miles from Sig Sauer. Occasionally, relevant job openings come across my screen. I’ve chosen to not apply to that company. I suspect, anyway, that if I were to apply, a quick search of my online statements and views by HR would suggest to them that I’m not an appropriate candidate.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      I live about 5 miles from Midway USA, which is a major online gun seller. They constantly advertise I.T. jobs, which I needed 8 years ago, but I wouldn’t work there for any salary, and I would have had the same problem you mention if I had applied there. I noticed they have a pretty high job turnover, and locals have told me the salaries are shitty. I also suspect they don’t hire many women.

      • armatus rebellio

        But wait, I thought women were always underpaid? Why don’t they hire ALL women?

        • Angela Ruzzo

          Because this is a college town, and thousands of dewy-faced young people graduate every year and will take pretty much any job they can get, including badly-paid I.T. jobs.

          • armatus rebellio

            I hear that.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    This reminds me of the guy who owns a leather shop outside of town. I’ve been there 3 times to buy leather for my Ren Faire costumes. He is a retired City utility supervisor on full pay, and he makes custom leather holsters for guns as a hobby now that he’s retired (he makes beautiful things). I’ve been there 3 times, every time he says he has so many orders he can’t keep up with them. Then he tells me he nearly went bankrupt under Obama because gun sales tanked (not true) and then he tells me that his orders have skyrocketed under Trump because guns sales have gone way up (not true) and when I mentioned Hillary, he turned red in the face and slammed his fist on his workbench and called her a murdering, lying whore. He is clearly not in touch with reality. For some reason he likes me and keeps selling me leather at a discount. He’s a nice guy…just ignorant and brainwashed, exactly the kind of guy the NRA counts on supporting bullshit like making it easier to buy silencers.

    • Beanz&Berryz

      He’s got a soft spot for leather corsets…

      • Angela Ruzzo

        Most men do, that’s why we wear them, LOL.

    • Hardly Ideal

      Sounds like he should do himself a favor and fashion a fetching panel gag.

    • BlissfulScribbler

      You should stop patronizing that idiot.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        I live in rural Missouri – if I stopped patronizing all the idiots, I would have nowhere to shop. Also, his is the only shop with garment-grade leather for 125 miles in either direction, so I’m kinda stuck.

  • armatus rebellio

    The basis of this legislation is the removal of the $200 tax stamp. You still have to go through a background check. I thought background checks were effective?

    • weejee

      If background checks were allowed. Sorta like comments at the Wonket.

    • The Militant Homosexual Agenda

      You thought? I don’t believe you’ve had a thought of your own in your whole life. You don’t think. You regurgitate.

      • armatus rebellio

        I am truly sorry that all you have is personal, emotion ridden, attacks.
        I do, however, appreciate your display of said. This let’s the public at large see for themselves what baseless simpering quim those that fight for gun control are. Thank you for helping the pro gun community.

        • tomamitai

          Thanks for demonstrating what a misogynist you are by using slang for female genitalia as a synonym for “coward”. Oh, “let’s” is a contraction for “let us” and therefore doesn’t belong in that sentence. You should have used “lets”, which means “allows”. How can you expect us to take you seriously when you don’t even know how to use the language? That last remark was revenge for every time some anti-regulation 2nd amendment absolutist has smirkingly dismissed someone for using “clip” for “magazine”.

          • armatus rebellio

            lol. That’s great.

          • armatus rebellio

            Hmmm. I didn’t imply mewling quim was a “coward.”
            Your inference of it says a lot about you tho.

  • Bub, the cynical zombie

    Rep. Duncan looks as though he enjoys jamming those black metal cans up his own ass, sans lube.

    • armatus rebellio

      I simply love the nuanced views by the anti-gun folks. So prescient.
      I’m almost ready to change my mind they’re so convincing.

      • Bub, the cynical zombie

        You don’t know what “prescient” means, do you?

        • armatus rebellio

          Well, I looked it up…

        • armatus rebellio

          Apparently not. Otto Korrect can go to He’ll.

  • Ricky Gay

    Do they make a silencer big enough for him to wear? I’d be for that.

  • Angela Ruzzo

    Are they going to issue silencers to the Army? I can’t tell you how many G.I.’s I knew who lost their hearing after being around all those guns in WWII and Korea and Viet Nam, including my dad and all my uncles and half a dozen cousins. What about Air Force maintenance guys? One of my neighbors was an AF maintenance guy for 3 years back in the 70’s and he has a 90% hearing loss in one ear, he gets a 10% VA disability check.

    • Hardly Ideal

      I was gonna say, suppressors are great for law enforcement and the military. Sound reduction protects your ears, flash reduction protects your eyes, and the added weight blunts recoil. All around, it makes for a better, safer killing machine.

      But us civilians? Just put on your goddamned ear protection. If you’re a sportsman who’s actually worth a damn, the only time that buck or clay pigeon will know you’re there is about a second after they’ve been shot.

      • Boscoe

        Not to mention, the more body armor and suppressors are out there, the more the police decide they need tanks and the freedom to murder anyone who looks at them funny. Interesting how that works.

        • Hardly Ideal

          Word. I find myself saying often about police shooting black people, maybe the police would be less jumpy if there weren’t over a quarter-billion guns in the country.

      • Angela Ruzzo

        I agree – and the Air Force now provides ear protection for their mechanics, who have to deal with high levels of noise every day for years, something that your weekend warrior does not have to deal with. Why the Air Force didn’t do this 40 years ago, I couldn’t say. My neighbor gets a whopping $135/mo for having lost 90% of his hearing in one ear. This just about covers his cable bill.

        My father tried to get me interested in guns and hunting, but to be honest the noise was one of several things that put me off it. I really enjoyed archery, but I was nearsighted and wore glasses, and my eyesight wasn’t good enough to really master it. One of the greatest thrills I ever experienced was the Opening Ceremonies of the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona – where the archer shot the flaming arrow across the stadium to light the Olympic Flame. What skill that took!
        https://youtu.be/gSA9xUUXj6E

        • Hardly Ideal

          Damn, that’s kind of awesome. Even just watching I thought “oh crap, is he really going to make it?”

          • Angela Ruzzo

            There is a documentary about the archer – he is disabled, but he beat out all the other applicants because he is so good. You got the right word – awesome. I was holding my breath while I watched it live…

      • tomamitai

        Don’t they reduce muzzle velocity? I’d think that would reduce their stopping power, and alter the flight path enough that you would have to change the way you aim, especially at distant targets.

        • Hardly Ideal

          Earlier models did for sure, partly because some actually used rubber gaskets to actually slow the bullets. But I don’t think modern models do much; I’m looking at one guy’s tests which show a 1-3% drop in velocity, which he chalks up to sampling errors.

          I’m not really an authority, I just read things on the Internet and play Metal Gear. (which, frankly, is the only place these damn things belong)

  • AnnieGetYerFun

    I can’t get past the ad. It never occurred to me, although it should have, that these even existed.

    I don’t understand why these people can’t just be satisfied with playing video games.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      Well, here’s the story from the wives of hunters I know: they would not tolerate these guys playing video games in the den for days on end, and they are quite happy to see them go off into the woods for a week with their buddies.

      • AnnieGetYerFun

        Ah. I keep forgetting that gunhumpers get married.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          I have a group of women friends whose husbands always go off deer hunting for a week in November, and their wives all get together to share a luxury vacation in Florida that same week. I wonder which group has more fun…

          • AnnieGetYerFun

            Woah, that’s totally an episode of The Good Wife!

          • Angela Ruzzo

            What I find REALLY interesting is that the wives seem to have much more fun than the husbands, based on the stories they tell afterwards, although the amount of alcohol consumed by both is about the same.

          • mfp, all 6s&7s&9s

            the group with the biggest supply of lube

      • tomamitai

        They’re only happy if his life insurance is paid up.

  • armatus rebellio

    Even the ATF says silencers should be deregulated.

    “Given the lack of criminality associated with silencers, it is reasonable to conclude that they should not be viewed as a threat to public safety necessitating NFA classification, and should be considered for reclassification under the GCA.”

    http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/read-the-white-paper-on-firearms-regulations/2325/

    • BigCSouthside

      Lack of criminality is likely linked to the fact that silencers are registered items and are expensive and you must have a gun that accepts a silencer (also expensive). Make them easy to get and I un-register them, and I guarantee more affordable silencer ready guns will come out and they will be used in crime more often.

      • armatus rebellio

        Perhaps. You’d _think_ the ATF would take that into consideration. Maybe not. There are currently 1.3 million silencers in circulation. More everyday. So few have been recovered from crimes as to be uncountable. The only difference between those and the ones after this proposal is the $200 and an arbitrary waiting period.

        Likewise, they are trivial to make. It’s still illegal to do so without the proper tax stamp, and they aren’t as durable but trivial. If criminals wanted them, they’d have them. Much, much easier then even guns themselves.

        • Boscoe

          Riiight…. so why not deregulate EVERYTHING ’cause if criminals want ’em, they’ll just get them anyway. Might as well do away with all laws then, i guess. Derp.

          • armatus rebellio

            How, exactly does that extrapolation work?

    • The Militant Homosexual Agenda

      Perhaps there is a lack of criminality because they ARE regulated! Really, yours has to be the stupidest argument I’ve heard in ages!

      • armatus rebellio

        I’m sorry this has caused you to have such an emotional outburst.
        However, see my reply below.

  • Ellie

    The NRA has also just said that guns are tools, not weapons.

    • Their leadership can be certainly classified as ‘Tools’.

    • Bitter Scribe

      “A gun is not a weapon. It’s a tool, like a hammer or a screwdriver or an alligator.”

      –Homer Simpson

    • William
    • Hardly Ideal

      Here is the first rule of Sword Law: a sword is a tool for splitting men. It doesn’t matter what your intentions are, whenever you swing it, it will do what it was made for. Take that law and put it in the secret nook next to your heart, my student. It will serve you well.

      Here is the second rule of Sword Law: a sword is not subtle. It is a naked instrument, hungry for blood. When you grasp its handle, treat it as you would a deadly viper.
      -Ryo ten Ryam

      Applies just as well if you’re talking about guns instead of swords.

    • Jesse

      I think they mean ‘gun owners.’

    • tomamitai

      They’re tools that cause weeping of friends and loved ones.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Gee, if they’re so concerned with hearing protection, I’m sure they’d love to pass a bill requiring landscaping companies to furnish it to guys using leaf blowers, right?

    Right?

  • 3FingerPete

    I am for this. I am tired of getting escorted out of the library.

    • Jon Sussex

      Apparently escorts are available just about everywhere.

  • gdogs

    “At any rate, Duncan’s reacharound for the NRA will die in the Senate. If moderate Republicans don’t kill it, then the Democratic filibuster will. But fuckyouverymuch all the same, Jeff Duncan. And may you get what you deserve. WITH VOTES”

    Hilarious. Of course reality will eventually sink in when moderate democrats from red-ish states join with republicans to pass this bill. There will be plenty of yes votes on the left to push this bill into law. Republicans know that if they don’t vote yes, then they will be looking for a new job after their next election.

    • TEX Dept. of Space Tacos

      ha, see you back here when it fails.

  • Poly_Ester

    Next up on the NRA agenda, a federal law to make FOID cards the only acceptable ID for voter registration.

    • armatus rebellio

      Well, now that you mention it…
      A non-resident (aka green card holder, documented, legal) alien cannot buy a gun.
      If you’re a felon you cannot buy a gun.

      If you’re an alien (without or with out green card) you can’t vote.
      If you’re a felon, you can’t vote.

      So, background checks keep felons and illegal aliens from obtaining guns.
      We should should have background checks to keep felons and illegal aliens from voting, too.

      • tomamitai

        Felons can vote in some states.

        • armatus rebellio

          True that. (some) Felons have had their 2A rights restored in some states, too.

      • BlissfulScribbler

        If you’re a white felon, they’ll somehow see to you getting a gun.

  • NotALiar

    They make ear protection with little microphones on them that allow you to have regular conversations. They cut off when the sound gets above a certain decibel. They work just fine. If you don’t want to wear them you deserve to lose your hearing.

    • armatus rebellio

      You know that heroin can kill you. If you do heroin you deserve to die.
      No NarCan.

      • NotALiar

        This I do not agree with. Point taken.

        • The Militant Homosexual Agenda

          What point? His analogy makes no sense whatsoever! Choosing to not use a safety device is NOT the same as medics not stocking Nacon to treat an overdose. Furthermore, hardly all opioid overdoses are from heroin addicts, as if that makes a difference, anyway. Christ! If little Susie gets in the medicine cabinet and OD’s on grandma’s pain meds she should just die because heroin addicts exist? Block this idiot. It will save you brain cells.

          • armatus rebellio

            Ah. Yes. Another non-sequitur response from Mr. Frothy mouth.

          • NotALiar

            I used to be an addict years and years ago and I suppose it just caught me off guard.

    • ChopLicker

      If we could just get an entire pack of wild hogs to wear them at once.

  • William
  • Jon Sussex

    I have the right under the constitooshun to the quiet enjoyment of my propity.

  • Jonny On Maui

    The NRA is a terrorist organization.

    • HorseChestnut

      I really miss the days when they were about teaching gun safety and sportsmanship. Those days existed, I swear.

      • Jonny On Maui

        I know. They got taken over by a death cult.

  • The Militant Homosexual Agenda
  • gdogs

    Just curious, can any of you gun grabbers explain to me how it is justifiable to charge a $200 tax in order to purchase a suppressor (in some cases costing more than the suppressor itself) or short barreled rifle, but $15 is too much to charge someone for a state issued ID in order to vote?

    • Fivedollarfeminist

      Because suffrage is a fundamental right guaranteed to all citizens. Shooting without ear protection is not.

      • gdogs

        Suppressors are regulated as arms… so pretty sure the 2nd Amendment covers them = protected.

        • Fivedollarfeminist

          The Supreme Court takes a different view. But it’s a free country. If you disagree, file your own lawsuit.

          • gdogs

            Really, how so?

          • Fivedollarfeminist

            Okay, I’ll play. Most recently the Court declined to hear Peruta v California, affirming the lower court ruling that the state has the right to regulate the concealed carrying of firearms. You may think that the second amendment allows you the unfettered right to a nuclear weapon in your backyard, but that is just not the law. Which is why the NRA has chosen to challenge the silencer provision legislatively rather than in court. But if your interpretation is different, by all means, file a challenge yourself.

          • gdogs

            The NRA has chosen to challenge a silencer provision… and exactly what silencer provision is that? Suppressors are legal to own in 42 states, this new bill will not change that. All it does is strip away an unfair tax, and decreases the regulating down to that of a simple firearm. There will still be a background check done, it just won’t take a year to process. Get ready for it, it is going to pass and it will be signed by the President. It is always so much fun to engage the gun grabbers. Y’all know nothing about the subject other than what you “feel”. Would be like me thinking I have an educated opinion about women’s fashion because I can’t stand ugg boots.

      • tomamitai

        Unfortunately, the right to vote isn’t guaranteed by the Constitution, but I think it should be, for all citizens considered competent enough to be held responsible for their actions in a court of law.

    • Buzz1313

      Does a suppressor help you kill more effectively?

      • gdogs

        Certainly helps to kill more than one wild hog, they don’t all run off when you fire the first round. So yeah, much more effectively. And to those of you that think we shouldn’t be killing wild hogs… you clearly don’t have any idea what kind of pest they’ve become.

        • Last Hussar

          Ooooo you’re so butch.

          • gdogs

            Seriously?

        • Jesse

          Bow hunting is quiet enough for that, but I suppose that would take skill.

          • gdogs

            So you don’t know anything about bow hunting either. No surprise

          • Jesse

            I don’t hunt but I’m a marksman with a bow. Guns are for the weak.

          • gdogs

            Talk about projection.

          • Jesse

            I don’t think you know what that phrase means. You might want to look it up.

    • Last Hussar

      You can’t kill with a single vote

      • gdogs

        Seems like you all are soooo worried about what Trump might do, makes the votes he got much more dangerous than a gun right?

        • Last Hussar

          Well, you’re 4x more likely to be murdered than me.

          • gdogs

            And what is 4x.00000000000001?

    • gdogs

      So no, none of you can come up with a legitimate reason. Ok, that is what I figured.

      • Last Hussar

        You mean apart from all the reasons below?

        • gdogs

          I’m still waiting for one of you to explain how taxing a right $200 is justifiable.

          • JMP

            There is no right to personally own a weapon designed solely to kill.

          • gdogs

            That is certainly an opinion. I completely disagree with it, as does the Constitution, but hey… you are entitled to be as wrong as you want to be. But you should note that suppressors were designed to decrease the audible level of gun shots, and were not designed to kill anything.

          • JMP

            The Constitution says there’s a right to a well-regulated militia; it says nothing about personal ownership of guns, which is a horrible idea responsible for 30,000 gun deaths in the US every year. And silencers are designed to make it easier to get away with murder by keeping the noise quiet. And you’re entitled to be wrong, but that doesn’t change the fact that you ammosexuals are wrong and responsible for those 30,000 deaths every year. You must not even have a conscience.

          • gdogs

            Yes, a well regulated militia = a functioning armed populace. Why can’t y’all figure out that the words “well regulated” have a different meaning than they did hundreds of years ago? The point of the 2nd Amendment is to protect the citizen’s right to own firearms. If that wasn’t the case then why are the words “right of the people” used? Why not just say the “right of the militia”?

            I’m not responsible for any deaths of humans, at all. The only people that are, are the ones that took those lives (half of which were themselves). I don’t care about suicides anymore than I do abortions… which is to say not much at all.

            I would recommend that you actually know something about suppressors before you start telling others that do what they were designed or used for.

          • JMP

            Citizens do not have a right to own firearms. And if you are against gun control, then you are responsible for all deaths by firearms. Period. That’s 30,000 Americans every year, and you killed them just as much as the ones who pulled the trigger.

            And then we get the “if you’re not an expert on technical specifications of guns, then I will dismiss your opinion!” bullshit so many gun humpers love to throw out. I have proudly never touched a gun, and don’t even play first person shooters; why would I give a shit about exactly how silencers work?

          • tomamitai

            Never call a “magazine” a “clip”, that makes them jizz all over the comment section.

          • gdogs

            Wow, could you be more detached from reality?

          • JMP

            It’s always projection from these idiots, isn’t it?

          • tomamitai

            “Hundreds of years ago” “well regulated militia” meant trained and disciplined. Article 1, section 8 of the Constitution gives Congress the power “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia”. Have you been organized, armed, or disciplined by Congress lately? What’s your safe word?

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            No, cupcake. At the time the Constitution was written, a well-regulated militia had publicly-available membership lists, drilled publicly on at least a monthly basis, had a well-defined organizational structure, and was staffed by all citizens as a responsibility of their citizenship.

            When the framers used the words “the right of the people,” they meant the right of the people as a mass – a collective noun. When they meant individuals, as in the Fifth Amendment, they used “person” or “persons.”

            Earlier drafts of the Second Amendment make the relationship between militia service and the right to keep and bear arms clearer.

            “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.”

            “A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms.”

            “A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.”

            “A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.”

            “A well regulated militia, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

            “A well regulated militia, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms for the common defense, shall not be infringed.”

          • gdogs

            When the framers used the words “the right of the people,” they meant the right of the people as a mass – a collective noun.

            Yep, that’s right, a collective right for the citizenry. If that wasn’t the point, then the 2nd Amendment would say “the right of the militia”. But it doesn’t.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            It means no right to individual ownership of guns, fuckwit.

          • Damian L

            The fact that the new nation was completely broke and heavily in debt and could’nt afford a standing army is lost on you.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            You have no right to own a silencer.

    • JMP

      “Gun grabbers”, really? Using a stupid term like that for supporters of gun control shows that your opinion on the issue is completely worthless – as does your support for Jim Crow laws.

      • gdogs

        Yes, gun grabbers… if you are in favor of banning “assault weapons” then you are a gun grabber – it really is that simple. And I never said I supported voter ID laws… I’m just trying to see how liberal gun grabbers like yourself justify taxing a right while at the same time denouncing the taxing of a right.

        • Jesse

          The only ones grabbing their guns are the one getting their silencers sticky.

          • gdogs

            Typical, when you don’t have any valid points to make, then ridicule others.

          • Jesse

            I only ridicule the deserving. Your childish name-calling is very deserving.

          • gdogs

            Gun Grabber… childish? I thought you all embraced such things as banning “assault weapons” and denying people concealed carry licenses.

          • Jesse

            Your infantile delineation of a complex issue is exactly why are simply unable to grasp the more nuanced parts of the debate.

            It also makes you the perfect trump voter: more than three syllables is just too much for you. Big thoughts has you a sad.

        • JMP

          Owning a gun is not a right. Voting is.

          • gdogs

            The SCOTUS disagrees with you on that.

          • JMP

            In an opinion that was written by Antonin Scalia, one of the worst Justices in modern Supreme Court history who always completely ignored the Constitution to instead always rule in favor of right-wing ideology, so you know that it’s completely wrong.

          • gdogs

            Your problem is that regardless of who wrote it, it is still the law of the land. Enjoy the next 3 years.

          • JMP

            As someone who loves America, it’s kind of impossible to love whatever time we have until that Nazi finally gets impeached.

    • Jesse

      So you don’t understand the difference between the free and fair right to vote and some redneck that wants to accessorize?

      • gdogs

        No, I don’t understand the difference, they are both protected rights. That is why I asked some of you to explain it… but it seems as though none of you can actually do that. For some reason liberal gun grabbers are completely fine taxing rights they don’t care about. I just don’t get that.

        • Jesse

          You pay taxes on stuff you buy.

          Tried to keep it simple for you.

          • gdogs

            Sales tax, sure – and state only (you ever heard of a national sales tax?). This is not a sales tax. This is nothing more than a poll tax. A tax to discourage the exercising of a Constitutionally protected right. Can you imagine the outrage if states started charging a $5K tax on abortions?

          • tomamitai

            Like the taxes that discourage people from inhaling cancer causing chemicals like the founding fathers meant them to do?

          • gdogs

            You show me where the Constitution protects the right to smoke and I’ll participate in a debate about cigarette taxes.

          • tomamitai

            Ninth amendment. ( ͡ᵔ ͜ʖ ͡ᵔ )

          • Jesse

            A poll tax? You think you vote with your gun?

            You don’t vote with your gun.

          • gdogs

            Yes, it is the same exact thing as a poll tax. You do understand simple comparisons don’t you?

          • Jesse

            poll tax

            noun – a tax of a fixed amount per person and payable as a requirement for the right to vote

            You do understand simple definitions don’t you?

          • Mike Steele

            Ironically, right to abortion – sanctioned by SCOTUS – is forever being impeded by lack of access. Can YOU imagine, gdogs, how the gunhumpers would groan if, like abortions, you couldn’t get a gun via internet and there was only one gun store (or none) per state?

          • gdogs

            Yes, I can imagine. But I’m not against legal abortions or easy access to them. I’m pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro single payer healthcare, and pro gun rights. But I’m not trying to have an abortion, I’m not gay, and I have healthcare from work. So I vote on gun rights. Show me a democrat in favor of my gun rights and I’ll happily vote for them. Until then, republicans it is.

        • tomamitai

          What if they waived the tax for members of the well regulated militia that the second amendment explicitly mentions in its very first clause? Also too, there’s the 24th amendment that expressly prohibits charging ANY kind of tax for exercising the right to vote, or denying the vote to someone because they can’t pay their other taxes. And could YOU explain to US how making you pay extra for hearing protection a device that lets you pretend you’re a cool secret agent man is “gun grabbing”?

          • gdogs

            Well, considering the militia is nothing more than “the people” then I’d be fine with them waiving the tax. If the 2nd Amendment wasn’t a right of the people, then there would be absolutely zero reason to include the words “the right of the people”. If you are in favor of denying firearms (and firearm accessories) from “the people”, then you are a gun grabber.

          • tomamitai

            If it wasn’t meant to be applied in the context of a formal militia, regulated by the State, why does it start with the words” A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State”? Oh, and it doesn’t include the word “firearms” (let alone “firearm accessories”), go look it up for yourself if you don’t believe me.

        • Mike Steele

          If you sign up for the National Guard, that well-regulated militia, they’ll loan you toys for free.

          • gdogs

            Fortunately the SCOTUS sees the right to own firearms completely separate from belonging to a militia. Two words for you on that… Justice Gorsuch. Can’t wait till Trump replaces Kennedy and Ginsburg.

          • JMP

            Oh look, the troll proves that he hates the Constitution!

          • Mike Steele

            Two words for you…Merrick Garland. Don’t count on it.

        • Serai 1

          You know, when you come to a site with a question, it’s best NOT to insult the people you’re asking right off the bat.

          In other words, FUCK OFF, ASSHOLE.

          • gdogs

            Tough guy huh? So you don’t like the 2nd or the 1st Amendment then. Any others got you down?

          • JMP

            Some of us don’t feel the need to compensate for the perceived inadequacy of our penis by constantly carrying around metal substitutes.

            Now go fuck yourself.

          • gdogs

            Why is it you gun grabbers are sooooo concerned about penis size? It’s a guarantee that eventually one of you will bring it up in a discussion about firearms.

          • JMP

            We’re not; it’s the gun humpers who fetishize that long cylindrical object which they have bizarre sexual fascination with that do.

          • gdogs

            There you go again, bringing up dicks. How weird.

          • Jesse

            Hear that everybody? He just said trump is a gun grabber!😁

          • Serai 1

            Oh goody! Another idiot who has NEVER READ THE CONSTITUTION.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f4e1365362d0b9a34147b60e7246543bd31897374a88590b74ba8064ca3c20bc.gif

            Tell me, how do even find your feet in the morning?

          • JMP

            It’s almost like the gun humping troll wasn’t actually asking the question in good faith but instead trying to start an argument.

          • gdogs

            Just now catching on huh?

          • JMP

            Why do you hate America and our Constitution? If you hate this country, leave it!

          • gdogs

            Hate this country? What have I said that would possibly make you think that? You are the one trying to tax rights, or take them away all together.

          • JMP

            Quote: ” Two words for you on that… Justice Gorsuch. Can’t wait till Trump replaces Kennedy and Ginsburg.”

            You are celebrating the installation of a Supreme Court Justice with nothing but contempt for the Constitution, and wanting to see two great Justices who actually try to uphold the law leave. And that even seemed like you were supporting Donald Trump – the fascist white supremacist complete monster who committed treason to steal the White House, who praises actual Nazis and supports statues to the worst traitors in American history.

            If you support Trump, you are as anti-American as someone can get.

          • gdogs

            Clearly we have a different opinion on what contempt for the Constitution is. As for Trump, I support his nominating gun friendly Supreme Court Justices. It’s why I voted for him instead of Clinton. It is really all he has to do for me to see his term as a 100% success.

          • JMP

            So you are against democracy, for authoritarianism and white supremacy, not to mention that you’re fine with repeated sexual assault and putting an actual criminal in the White House instead of a very talented, honest, ethical and intelligent public servant. And all because you want to nominate Supreme Court justices who will refuse to uphold the Constitution.

            You voted Trump. You are an evil piece of shit who would have voted for you-know-who in Germany in the 1930s. Your opinions are worthless. Go fuck yourself you vile excuse for a human being who is responsible for destroying this once-great country.

          • gdogs

            Blah blah blah. Sticks and stones ya know. At the end of the day, I’m more American than the illegals the democrats are trying to protect and give a vote to.

          • JMP

            Fuck off, Nazi scum.

          • gdogs

            Nazi scum huh? I’m sure my Jewish family would find that insult amusing.

          • JMP

            I’m sure they would be very disappointed in you for voting for an actual Nazi for President of the United States.

          • gdogs

            Half of them voted for him too. You know when you use the term Nazi to describe people that aren’t, you diminish the very real evil that was in the world then.

          • JMP

            It is a very real evil that was in the world then – and it back in the world, here in America. We’re dealing with a monster who praised a violent neo-Nazi riot in Charlottesville, who stacked his administration with neo-Nazis like Steve Bannon, Sebastien Gorka and Steve Miller, who pardoned a criminal who set up concentration camps for Latinos in Arizona, and who is trying to impose fascism in America while pursuing a campaign of ethnic cleansing against Muslims and Latinos.

            It does a great disservice to the victims of the Nazis to allow a return of that vile ideology in what is for now the most powerful country in the world.

          • Jesse

            “Trade policies suffocate ‘murikan jobs? 30,000 troops slaughtered by North Korea? All my money goes to giving rich people more money? As long as I can still stroke muh gun, Success!”

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            Well, for one thing, you ignore the bits of the Constitution you don’t like… and for another, you appear to support the treasonous dumpster fire. If that doesn’t say “hating America,” I don’t know what does.

          • gdogs

            I’m not ignoring any bits at all – it is the gun grabber that ignores the words “the right of the people”.

          • sgt. jmk of the résistance

            “A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state…”

          • Jesse

            “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”

            Thanks for playing. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae22ffae6d0bafadedf85d98eefd4133013ca0b4f79fd13bc51686837ca51977.jpg

        • Jesse

          Voting isn’t something you purchase. Having the right to purchase something is free. Buying stuff isn’t.

        • Damian L

          You’re god-awful confused about what is and what isn’t your rights aren’t you now.

    • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

      You have the IQ of a shitting Christian fucking Republican. No offense.

    • handyhippie65

      hate to break it to you, but i own 3 ar 15s, two rifles and a pistol, and many other firearms, i hunt, and i don’t support legalizing silencers across the board. nor do i support voter ID laws. i believe voting should be mandatory for all citizens. how can we call ourselves a representative republic, when so many don’t, or can’t vote to be represented. but, i also believe every home should also have a firearm. self defense starts with yourself. silencers are for assassins, not hunters. when i shot my doe last year, and the rest of the herd ran off, i didn’t care. i already had my meat for the year. if you’re not going to eat it, don’t kill it. only a sociopath kills for pleasure.

      • gdogs

        Well I don’t mind breaking it to you… I’m not in favor of voter ID laws either. I don’t want to make voting mandatory though – we have enough idiots voting as it is. Suppressors are not for assassins, you really need to get out and do some shooting with your fellow suppressor owning citizens. I eat or give away all the hogs I kill. But the fact is they do a tremendous amount of damage and need to be killed regardless of whether they are eaten or not. Has absolutely nothing to do with pleasure

        • handyhippie65

          i know a lot of people with firearms, none of them own a silencer. why do you need a silencer? my ar pistol is very loud, louder than my rifles, even with a BFD on it. but the noise and concussion are part of the deterrence factor for me.

          • gdogs

            Of course the pistol is louder than the rifles, most of the gun powder is being burned outside of the barrel. Wouldn’t it be much more pleasant to shoot if the blast and sound was diminished? I mean seriously, you need to go shoot one. You’ll be a convert, I guarantee it. Deterrence factor for what?

          • handyhippie65

            you don’t think i hunt with an ar do you? they are for fun, and defense. i hunt deer with shotgun, blackpowder, and i used to use a bow a lot, but my shoulder is shot, and i can’t hold a drawn bow very long. i’m thinking about a crossbow. you want a silent kill, use a bow. you put an expanding broadhead into an animal, it isn’t going very far. unlike you, the sound of gunfire isn’t a problem for me. i don’t care if everyone knows i am out hunting or shooting. i live out in the country, and have never been, nor have any desire to use an indoor range. i’ve been hunting for over forty years. in all that time, i never once wanted a silencer. and i sure as hell never had one when i was a soldier.

          • gdogs

            Why not? AR’s come in plenty of calibers perfect for hunting – 6.8SPC is what I use. Oh, I have plenty of more powerful bolt actions, but the AR works great. I have a crossbow, and they are in fact deadly on deer and hogs. And while I don’t care about if anyone knows when I’m hunting, it is preferable to not be a noise pest to your neighbors. Unfortunately I do currently live in the city, which means indoor ranges are occasionally part of life. I just don’t see how a gun owner that has never used a suppressor can be so against them.

          • handyhippie65

            as i said, they are for assassins, not hunters. i’ve been putting meat on my table for years without one. as did my father, and his father, and his. i also don’t think anyone but the military needs grenade launchers, or full auto , that includes the police. i don’t see why you need a silencer if you are not an assassin. i’ve never been a gang member either, and i am against them too.

          • Carl

            I disagree, respectfully of course. Duck hunting being the main reason. You get ear protection, your dog does not. A suppressor helps limit your dog’s hearing damage. Something to consider.

          • handyhippie65

            i haven’t used a dog for hunting since i was a kid coon hunting. i hunt deer, rabbit, and squirrel mostly now. don’t need a dog for any of them. i don’t use ear plugs when i hunt, never have, and i can still hear a squirrel running around a tree. i do use them when i just go shooting, though. big difference in the half a dozen times i shoot while hunting, and the several hundred rounds i go through at my range out back of my house.

  • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

    I’m conflicted. The #NRA gunfucker terrorists are planning to kill more police than they normally do by making silencers free and legal for everyone, making sure their killing sprees get higher body counts by making their Jesus-driven rampages quieter.

    The conflict: Fascist pigs don’t agree that this is a good idea and I agree with them. I rarely agree with fascist violent fucking pigs but I do on this.

  • whitroth

    Are armor-piercing teflon-coated bullets still legal?

    • h4rr4r

      Teflon coatings do not make bullets armor piercing.

      This is a myth.

      • Celtic_Gnome

        But blood and body organs wipe right off.

      • whitroth

        It’s a myth that they go through Kevlar body armor much more easily? Perhaps you should talk to the police and sherriff’s organizations that were screaming bloody murder when the NRA got them legalized.

        • h4rr4r

          It is a total myth.

          Those early bullets were made of a very hard but much lighter alloy than typical lead bullets. High velocity is how they penetrated armor.

          They were never legalized. They were always legal, it is the core of the bullet that determines its legality not some coating.

          The same bullets coated in teflon, PTFE Dupont teflon is just a brand, penetrate body armor worse than without it. The teflon is to protect the gun barrel from excessive wear that comes from hard and high velocity rounds.

          Due to this myth other coatings are used to give the same protection on modern ammunition.

    • Angela Ruzzo

      I was just watching a documentary about medieval longbows, and the arrows they shot, some of which were dug up in an archeological dig. They reproduced a longbow and and tried it with a medieval arrow head, and it went right through body armor. I would say the longbow was a thing of beauty, but in fact it was a very effective killing weapon. Also, it was almost silent.

      • whitroth

        Remember, they were going through actual knight’s plate armor, not flexible mass shielding.

        • Angela Ruzzo

          True, but the arrow went right though the armor, a layer of leather behind the armor, quilted padding behind the leather, and well into a large side of pork behind the padding. I call that impressive. A medieval crossbow did even better, if you will excuse me for using the word “better”, by piercing all the above and sticking about 6″ out the back of the side of pork.

          • whitroth

            Right… because the arrowhead has a sharp point and edges. It cuts through, not, like a bullet, rams through. And it’s even more effective against mail. (I used to be in the SCA, so I know this stuff.) It bursts each link apart, as opposed to, say, a sword – they weren’t using points, just edges, and so it would resist.

          • Angela Ruzzo

            FYI: I just saw an ad on PBS for an episode of NOVA called “Secrets of the Shining Knight” which is “Coming Soon.” I love this stuff.
            http://pbsinternational.org/programs/secrets-of-the-shining-knight/

    • armatus rebellio

      Yes and no. Teflon coated bullets, despite what the media said in 1982, are not armor piercing. The teflon coating was to protect a steel barrel from steel or hard brass bullets, again, trying to get away from lead which deformed after penetrating car doors and windshields and became less effective stopping the threat behind it. It wasn’t the teflon coating but the harder bullet was more likely to penetrate soft body armor.

      Not much has changed in the last 35 years.

  • Serai 1

    Yeah, but silencers don’t make guns silent. They just cut off some of the noise, and not really all that much. They certainly don’t make it possible for you to walk up to someone, shoot them, and then just walk away without anyone noticing.

    ETA: Christ, I see we’ve got at least one gun-fellater clogging up the thread. *eyeroll*

  • gdogs

    well it’s been fun gun grabbers. brightens up my day a bit to whip some of you into a frenzy. think i’ll go to the range this afternoon and shoot some of my evil assault rifles. in a few months i’ll pick up a couple of more suppressors – without the tax this time.

    • Serai 1

      You just keep being SO CUTE OMG.

  • JoeChristmas

    Silently, Obama never took one gun.

  • Jeff Mc Donald

    Frankly, it’s about time! I hate all of that noise when I visit my friends in So. Cal. This should help.

  • Celtic_Gnome

    If they’re going to let gunhumpers have silencers, then I want them to bring back lawn darts as well.

    Freedumb!

  • Delu

    I’m pretty damned sure that the second amendment didn’t say a thing about the right to own silencers.

    Are silencers “arms” in of themselves? I don’t believe so right?

    • HazooToo

      They are not! They are accessories. Which we don’t have a right to, if you want to follow the letter of the law, which is apparently Gorsuch’s thing when it comes to truckers abandoning their truck in favor of not dying.

  • Hey, guys! Wow this totally looks like a completely harmless, totally uncontroversial thread! Let’s see what everyone has to s —

    OW! MY EYES! MY EYES!

  • Tiny kaiju

    I never would expected A Patriot to look like an uncooked Easter ham, but there it is, in the full color.

  • There’s no such thing as a gun silencer. That movie cr*p where guns go “pft!” is just made-up movie cr*p. It’s a gun *muffler*, and no more makes a gun silent than the muffler on your car makes your car silent. Yeah, it makes it quieter — you might only hear it a few blocks away instead of a few miles away — but it no more allows someone to be a silent assassin than a hoodie allows someone to be invisible.

    • Fivedollarfeminist

      From the proposed statute:
      SEC. 1503. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN SILENCERS.
      Section 5841 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following:

      “(f) Firearm Silencers.—A person acquiring or possessing a firearm silencer in accordance with chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, shall be treated as meeting any registration and licensing requirements of the National Firearms Act with respect to such silencer.”.

  • Gary Moeller

    This must be written by a frustrated Commie!

    • sgt. jmk of the résistance

      Awww poor dude. Did somebody not admire your gun?

  • armatus rebellio

    Well, this crowd will be happy to know the SHARE act made it out of house committee!

    http://wtkr.com/2017/09/13/gun-silencer-bill-advances-moves-to-house-floor/

  • Joel Dent

    Ok, let me start by saying I love Yr Wonkette. Also too, I am a gun owner. How many guns? All of them Katie! (Well, 4 of them at least). Now that I’ve established that I do regularly read this site and am not some troll, I’d like to point out a couple things. Silencers don’t work like the movies, a suppressor cuts down on the noise quite a bit, but it’s still clearly a gunshot. And I really wouldn’t mind having one for my main rifle & main pistol. Not because I don’t want to wear ear protection, but because even with earplugs and headphones on, I’m still going to be risking hearing damage, especially when firing my hunting rifle (for the record I eat every single animal that I hunt, I’ll not kill an animal needlessly).

    Now, all of this said. American gun laws are ridiculously lax and need toughened up by a lot, but the idea that a suppressor is only for ninja assassins is way off base.

  • MOG253

    Jeff Duncan, your mother must be sooo proud.

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